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Makes sense in theory until you look at the potential candidates.isam said:Maybe the country needs a leaver in charge, someone who the majority agree with from the start
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I thought that we were supposed to need a Corbyn-led Coalition in order to get Chaos?
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How much mileage have they got with the message they've chosen? People's perception of "Look at us: we're strong and stable" could suddenly flip. They could appear superficial, self-regarding, arrogant, with a dollop of craziness, and with an opinion of themselves that simply isn't shared by the country. They do seem to be stuck in the past. That's not a good look.FrancisUrquhart said:All the tories had to put in the manifesto was brexit, bins and immigration target...That is all they had to do....
There is the argument that opinions don't change much in the last two weeks. But if there is an exception to that rule, it could be when a sitting government's self-description as ever so STRONG and STABLE suddenly looks hollow.
Pushing xenophobia may be all they've got. I am not sure Brexit will help them much. If they lose enough votes from the 48%, they are f***ed.
People may start to realise that the main reason they called the election wasn't to avoid difficulties during Brexit negotiations, but to avoid getting defeated in a Labour landslide after a post-Brexit horrendous fall in living standards.
And don't forget "The Sun says [the Labour leader] is a traitor". Could this be the first election since 1974 when British people say no to that vile rag?TheScreamingEagles said:0 -
I haven't watched it but if she did this, Theresa May truly is crap
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bigjohnowls said:
Do you believe Mays strong and stable mantra has just been utterly destroyed?Richard_Nabavi said:
My guess is that you don't believe all the rubbish you post on this. But then, I always try to give people the benefit of the doubt.bigjohnowls said:
Guess!!Richard_Nabavi said:
Brilliant Labour arithmetic, ignoring both the figures (70% of us will need how much care?), and the policy (no-one loses their home under the Tory social care plan).bigjohnowls said:75% of OAPs own homes of average value £240k. 70% of us will need care. Therefore, 52% face losing their homes under Tory Dementia Tax plan.
Do you actually believe all the rubbish you post on this, or are you trolling?
Your glorious leader is both weak and wobbly and a House Snatcher.
Get over it.
How much has this policy come up in your canvassing.
Number one issue by a mile in mine.
Off out doing some more this tea time will see if people still think its still important.
Strong and unstable?
Weak but stable?
Weak and unstable?
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Her strident comments about Juncker interfering in the election were arguably aimed at getting Martin Selmayr sacked, so it will be unfortunate if she starts the negotiations without her right-hand man instead.FattyBolger said:Not only is TM badly damaged by this but her inner circle with Timothy at its core is too. What credibility will he now carry with the parliamentry party? Dementia tax man.
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So it's an optional cap at unspecified level to be included in a future consultation? Can't even do a competent u-turn. Still a #dementiatax0 -
This is crazy talk. Average 12 point poll lead = landslide. That might be cut but how is Corbyn going to get 40% and take away her majority?dyedwoolie said:Social care wrecked the landslide, the u turn might wreck the majority. Awful awful stuff from the blues. It's simply not possible to drive voters into Corbyn's arms, until you do it.
She's weak and frit.0 -
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She changed her mind, Mr Eagles, as she always does.TheScreamingEagles said:Can anyone remind me why Mrs May called this early election ?
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No, the u turn is embarrassing in the short term but in the long term puts the 100 seat majority back in playCyan said:
How much mileage have they got with the message they've chosen? People's perception of "Look at us: we're strong and stable" could suddenly flip. They could appear superficial, self-regarding, arrogant, with a dollop of craziness, and with an opinion of themselves that simply isn't shared by the country. They do seem to be stuck in the past, and that's not a good look.FrancisUrquhart said:All the tories had to put in the manifesto was brexit, bins and immigration target...That is all they had to do....
There is the argument that opinions don't change much in the last two weeks. But if there is an exception to that rule, it could be when a sitting government's self-description as ever so STRONG and STABLE suddenly looks hollow.
Pushing xenophobia may be all they've got. I am not sure Brexit will help them much. If they lose enough votes from the 48%, they are f***ed.
And don't forget "The Sun says [the Labour leader] is a traitor". Could this be the first election since 1974 when British people say no to that vile rag?TheScreamingEagles said:0 -
Because her whole usp has just exploded in her face, and she pulled the pin.Brom said:
This is crazy talk. Average 12 point poll lead = landslide. That might be cut but how is Corbyn going to get 40% and take away her majority?dyedwoolie said:Social care wrecked the landslide, the u turn might wreck the majority. Awful awful stuff from the blues. It's simply not possible to drive voters into Corbyn's arms, until you do it.
She's weak and frit.
The seat markets will move hard this week.0 -
Next Chancellor John McDonald's?mwadams said:OT: The YouGov survey I did this morning contained two questions about the affordability of the Con and Lab manifestos - I've not been asked that before. I was also asked whether I liked to have a gherkin in my burger. #random
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Thank buggery we are still 16 days out.HYUFD said:
No, the u turn is embarrassing in the short term but in the long term puts the 100 seat majority back in playCyan said:
How much mileage have they got with the message they've chosen? People's perception of "Look at us: we're strong and stable" could suddenly flip. They could appear superficial, self-regarding, arrogant, with a dollop of craziness, and with an opinion of themselves that simply isn't shared by the country. They do seem to be stuck in the past, and that's not a good look.FrancisUrquhart said:All the tories had to put in the manifesto was brexit, bins and immigration target...That is all they had to do....
There is the argument that opinions don't change much in the last two weeks. But if there is an exception to that rule, it could be when a sitting government's self-description as ever so STRONG and STABLE suddenly looks hollow.
Pushing xenophobia may be all they've got. I am not sure Brexit will help them much. If they lose enough votes from the 48%, they are f***ed.
And don't forget "The Sun says [the Labour leader] is a traitor". Could this be the first election since 1974 when British people say no to that vile rag?TheScreamingEagles said:twitter.com/RossFootball/status/866614939036864513
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I certainly didn't expect PB Tories to be spitting their dummies out during this campaign.
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Yeah course they will. Tories in their droves are currently running to vote Labour. loldyedwoolie said:
Because her whole usp has just exploded in her face, and she pulled the pin.Brom said:
This is crazy talk. Average 12 point poll lead = landslide. That might be cut but how is Corbyn going to get 40% and take away her majority?dyedwoolie said:Social care wrecked the landslide, the u turn might wreck the majority. Awful awful stuff from the blues. It's simply not possible to drive voters into Corbyn's arms, until you do it.
She's weak and frit.
The seat markets will move hard this week.0 -
SCON's attempt to distract by nurse story from last night's debate is now unraveling:
http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/foodbank-nurse-who-put-nicola-104737250 -
The danger here is if this impacts May's leadership ratings and leader satisfaction levels. That's one of the underlying drivers of what actually ends up happening on polling day.0
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No, the u turn puts the landslide back in play, even though it will now be more 100 at best rather than 150+dyedwoolie said:Social care wrecked the landslide, the u turn might wreck the majority. Awful awful stuff from the blues. It's simply not possible to drive voters into Corbyn's arms, until you do it.
She's weak and frit.0 -
I've decided to spoil my ballot paper by writing 'Bring back Dave and George'
Just not sure which constituency to do it in.0 -
@patrickwintour: Mail will be annoyed. It loyally backed Dementia Tax, even though ran counter to entire ideology. Now May retreats and Mail looks foolish.0
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Yes, of course.bigjohnowls said:
Do you believe Mays strong and stable mantra has just been utterly destroyed?Richard_Nabavi said:
My guess is that you don't believe all the rubbish you post on this. But then, I always try to give people the benefit of the doubt.bigjohnowls said:
Guess!!Richard_Nabavi said:
Brilliant Labour arithmetic, ignoring both the figures (70% of us will need how much care?), and the policy (no-one loses their home under the Tory social care plan).bigjohnowls said:75% of OAPs own homes of average value £240k. 70% of us will need care. Therefore, 52% face losing their homes under Tory Dementia Tax plan.
Do you actually believe all the rubbish you post on this, or are you trolling?
Your glorious leader is both weak and wobbly and a House Snatcher.
Get over it.
How much has this policy come up in your canvassing.
Number one issue by a mile in mine.
Off out doing some more this tea time will see if people still think its still important.0 -
And then there is this.... "A French lawyer ... Julien Fouchet ... [a] European law specialist from Bordeaux wants to challenge the validity of the EU negotiations on the basis the procedure was flawed ...Scott_P said:
PMSLCarlottaVance said:Commission negotiating documents which are shared with EU Member States, the European Council, the European Parliament, the Council, national parliaments, and the United Kingdom will be released to the public
It will call for the cancellation of the Brexit negotiating directives drafted by the EU, which are due to be adopted on 22 May, on the basis the referendum breached the rights of the UK citizens who were denied the vote. "
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/brexit-talks-illegal-uk-expats-british-abroad-not-vote-french-lawyer-julien-fouchet-european-a7745216.html0 -
That's the story of the last week certainly. Look at Labour's vote intentionBrom said:
Yeah course they will. Tories in their droves are currently running to vote Labour. loldyedwoolie said:
Because her whole usp has just exploded in her face, and she pulled the pin.Brom said:
This is crazy talk. Average 12 point poll lead = landslide. That might be cut but how is Corbyn going to get 40% and take away her majority?dyedwoolie said:Social care wrecked the landslide, the u turn might wreck the majority. Awful awful stuff from the blues. It's simply not possible to drive voters into Corbyn's arms, until you do it.
She's weak and frit.
The seat markets will move hard this week.0 -
Meaningless, since the referendum was advisory only.Beverley_C said:
And then there is this.... "A French lawyer ... Julien Fouchet ... [a] European law specialist from Bordeaux wants to challenge the validity of the EU negotiations on the basis the procedure was flawed ...Scott_P said:
PMSLCarlottaVance said:Commission negotiating documents which are shared with EU Member States, the European Council, the European Parliament, the Council, national parliaments, and the United Kingdom will be released to the public
It will call for the cancellation of the Brexit negotiating directives drafted by the EU, which are due to be adopted on 22 May, on the basis the referendum breached the rights of the UK citizens who were denied the vote. "
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/brexit-talks-illegal-uk-expats-british-abroad-not-vote-french-lawyer-julien-fouchet-european-a7745216.html0 -
BNP on the "Daily Politics" ....
Second Car Crash TV Today .....0 -
If Cameron came back he would lose all the Kippers May has won without winning any from Corbyn, he was right for pre Brexit not post Brexitmurali_s said:
Sadly so true TSE. What is David Cameron doing now? The country needs him now...TheScreamingEagles said:0 -
Farage as Tory leader would win a landslide!edmundintokyo said:
Makes sense in theory until you look at the potential candidates.isam said:Maybe the country needs a leaver in charge, someone who the majority agree with from the start
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It's irrelevant. The referendum was the political reason why we invoked Article 50, not the constitutional reason.Beverley_C said:
And then there is this.... "A French lawyer ... Julien Fouchet ... [a] European law specialist from Bordeaux wants to challenge the validity of the EU negotiations on the basis the procedure was flawed ...Scott_P said:
PMSLCarlottaVance said:Commission negotiating documents which are shared with EU Member States, the European Council, the European Parliament, the Council, national parliaments, and the United Kingdom will be released to the public
It will call for the cancellation of the Brexit negotiating directives drafted by the EU, which are due to be adopted on 22 May, on the basis the referendum breached the rights of the UK citizens who were denied the vote. "0 -
We do really need to know the clarification for the means test limit for the freeze the elderly WFA cut . Will it hurt just millionaire pensioners , wealthy pensioners or include many who struggle to just get by .0
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He is having a lovely time, not had such fun since the Buller piss-up after the House bumped Oriel at Torpids*. But he has this morning ruled himself out of any chance of a return to the party, I think. Not helpful.TheScreamingEagles said:
Can't imagine who taught Osborne this magnificent level of trolling.Scott_P said:
* Graduates of also-ran "universities" will not understand this.0 -
With Brexit and all it entails we need a PM that is prepared to take tough decisions not one who panics royally and changes her mind at the first sign of a negative reaction.Scott_P said:@BBCNormanS: So..4 days after Tory manifesto announced scrapping planned social care cap - it is now an option for consultation
No doubt the PB Tories will find their justifications but really does it bode well for the country? I think we are in for a few years of timid, dithery leadership - which of course what many May observers predicted at the time she became leader.0 -
I think this is taking Tories4Corbyn a bit far.....
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Acc to Britain Elects there is a welsh poll due.. any news?0
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That's the problem with caps, they benefit the wealthy, but that doesn't meant that the public prefer a fairer system. Consumer behaviour is ruled by this sort of inefficient risk avoidance, people are willing to pay quite a premium to avoid low probability risks whilst simultaneously ignoring more pressing needs. If consumers behaved rationally businesses would be a lot less profitable.Scott_P said:0 -
More chance of RonaldPeterMannion said:
Next Chancellor John McDonald's?mwadams said:OT: The YouGov survey I did this morning contained two questions about the affordability of the Con and Lab manifestos - I've not been asked that before. I was also asked whether I liked to have a gherkin in my burger. #random
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My colleague is still voting for 'her' - one of the "extra" brexit ref voters as against GE2015.0
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So what are the odds that May scrapes through this election with a small majority, then is immediately challenged for the leadership by the headbangers who think she is going to screw up Brexit as badly as this?0
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The main movement is 2015 LD to Labour actually, the Tories are still net gainers from Labour since 2015 but over the weekend saw a slight net loss to the LDs, over 60% of 2015 UKIP still voting 2017 Torydyedwoolie said:
That's the story of the last week certainly. Look at Labour's vote intentionBrom said:
Yeah course they will. Tories in their droves are currently running to vote Labour. loldyedwoolie said:
Because her whole usp has just exploded in her face, and she pulled the pin.Brom said:
This is crazy talk. Average 12 point poll lead = landslide. That might be cut but how is Corbyn going to get 40% and take away her majority?dyedwoolie said:Social care wrecked the landslide, the u turn might wreck the majority. Awful awful stuff from the blues. It's simply not possible to drive voters into Corbyn's arms, until you do it.
She's weak and frit.
The seat markets will move hard this week.0 -
"Where are they all flocking from?"Ishmael_Z said:
Transcript:SandyRentool said:
Something we agree on!bobajobPB said:
Mrs Duffy was in fact a bigot so Gordo was only telling the truth.Bob__Sykes said:And I think the Neil interview tonight could actually be more brutal than it might have been half an hour ago.
In more reflective terms I remember us pb Tories getting all terribly excited on Bigotgate Day but it didn't result in a wipeout for Brown; it hardly had any traction at all with the voting public. This might blow over too.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2010/apr/28/gordon-brown-gillian-duffy-transcript
Could you highlight the exact words that show her to be a bigot? Bearing in mind Brown himself withdrew the allegation.0 -
Actually, they'll probably claim the U-turn was their idea.Scott_P said:@patrickwintour: Mail will be annoyed. It loyally backed Dementia Tax, even though ran counter to entire ideology. Now May retreats and Mail looks foolish.
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It still has more detail than Labour's position on care costs....bigjohnowls said:Yvette CooperVerified account @YvetteCooperMP 2m2 minutes ago
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So it's an optional cap at unspecified level to be included in a future consultation? Can't even do a competent u-turn. Still a #dementiatax0 -
TMIGBM2bigjohnowls said:
More chance of RonaldPeterMannion said:
Next Chancellor John McDonald's?mwadams said:OT: The YouGov survey I did this morning contained two questions about the affordability of the Con and Lab manifestos - I've not been asked that before. I was also asked whether I liked to have a gherkin in my burger. #random
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I never said I was moving Ireland, just that I was sorting out my citizenship and getting my passport sorted. The whole EU is my oyster.matt said:Aren't you planning to move to Ireland? I'd have a look at the politicians there if I were you.
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Yes, but unfortunately that is the best spin that can be put on it.MarqueeMark said:
It still has more detail than Labour's position on care costs....bigjohnowls said:Yvette CooperVerified account @YvetteCooperMP 2m2 minutes ago
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Nope.SandyRentool said:
"Where are they all flocking from?"Ishmael_Z said:
Transcript:SandyRentool said:
Something we agree on!bobajobPB said:
Mrs Duffy was in fact a bigot so Gordo was only telling the truth.Bob__Sykes said:And I think the Neil interview tonight could actually be more brutal than it might have been half an hour ago.
In more reflective terms I remember us pb Tories getting all terribly excited on Bigotgate Day but it didn't result in a wipeout for Brown; it hardly had any traction at all with the voting public. This might blow over too.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2010/apr/28/gordon-brown-gillian-duffy-transcript
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If it follows the pattern of most EU negotiations May will be toppled after being seen to be too soft on Brussels, and a new hard-line leader will then sign up to even more punitive terms.Scott_P said:So what are the odds that May scrapes through this election with a small majority, then is immediately challenged for the leadership by the headbangers who think she is going to screw up Brexit as badly as this?
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due at 4pm Prof Roger Scully has alrady seen the reults and has tweeted you could say blimey to the resultsSquareRoot said:Acc to Britain Elects there is a welsh poll due.. any news?
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If it has been utterly destroyed, the Tories are out. If anything a major party says can start to look paper-thin quickly, it's a promise from a sitting government that things are going to be OK when living conditions and expectations have fallen for years.Richard_Nabavi said:
Yes, of course.bigjohnowls said:Do you believe Mays strong and stable mantra has just been utterly destroyed?
And I thought this election would be boring...
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I agree with that. But remember some of the bleeding started before the manifesto launch.SeanT said:
Quite high.Scott_P said:So what are the odds that May scrapes through this election with a small majority, then is immediately challenged for the leadership by the headbangers who think she is going to screw up Brexit as badly as this?
However if she manages to stop the bleeding of voters to Labour, with her U-turn, she should still get a decent majority, around 50-80, enough to have made the election worthwhile (just about), and she will survive.0 -
Polling wise the Tories don't, voters in weekend polls backed the WFA means test just opposed the social care changes as they wereMarkSenior said:We do really need to know the clarification for the means test limit for the freeze the elderly WFA cut . Will it hurt just millionaire pensioners , wealthy pensioners or include many who struggle to just get by .
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Cybernats have got previous on this:calum said:SCON's attempt to distract by nurse story from last night's debate is now unraveling:
http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/foodbank-nurse-who-put-nicola-10473725
http://www.scotsman.com/news/politics/cybernats-target-foodbank-manager-for-shaming-snp-1-38287630 -
To get Osborne off the back benches?TheScreamingEagles said:Can anyone remind me why Mrs May called this early election ?
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It would be irrelevant even if the vote had been legally binding. Parliament has the constitutional right to determine who has the vote and who does not.RobD said:
Meaningless, since the referendum was advisory only.Beverley_C said:
And then there is this.... "A French lawyer ... Julien Fouchet ... [a] European law specialist from Bordeaux wants to challenge the validity of the EU negotiations on the basis the procedure was flawed ...Scott_P said:
PMSLCarlottaVance said:Commission negotiating documents which are shared with EU Member States, the European Council, the European Parliament, the Council, national parliaments, and the United Kingdom will be released to the public
It will call for the cancellation of the Brexit negotiating directives drafted by the EU, which are due to be adopted on 22 May, on the basis the referendum breached the rights of the UK citizens who were denied the vote. "
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/brexit-talks-illegal-uk-expats-british-abroad-not-vote-french-lawyer-julien-fouchet-european-a7745216.html0 -
Thats true. As long as that continues for next 17 days job done.MarqueeMark said:
It still has more detail than Labour's position on care costs....bigjohnowls said:Yvette CooperVerified account @YvetteCooperMP 2m2 minutes ago
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That's what the Mail does. "A Leader that listens. Mail campaign wins clarification."Richard_Nabavi said:
Actually, they'll probably claim the U-turn was their idea.Scott_P said:@patrickwintour: Mail will be annoyed. It loyally backed Dementia Tax, even though ran counter to entire ideology. Now May retreats and Mail looks foolish.
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It may not be irrelevant if the EU Commission is unable to negotiate with the UK. I do not see it as a Brexit-reversal mechanism, more like a spanner-in-the-works sort of thing.williamglenn said:
It's irrelevant. The referendum was the political reason why we invoked Article 50, not the constitutional reason.Beverley_C said:
And then there is this.... "A French lawyer ... Julien Fouchet ... [a] European law specialist from Bordeaux wants to challenge the validity of the EU negotiations on the basis the procedure was flawed ...Scott_P said:
PMSLCarlottaVance said:Commission negotiating documents which are shared with EU Member States, the European Council, the European Parliament, the Council, national parliaments, and the United Kingdom will be released to the public
It will call for the cancellation of the Brexit negotiating directives drafted by the EU, which are due to be adopted on 22 May, on the basis the referendum breached the rights of the UK citizens who were denied the vote. "0 -
... for Labour?isam said:
Farage as Tory leader would win a landslide!edmundintokyo said:
Makes sense in theory until you look at the potential candidates.isam said:Maybe the country needs a leaver in charge, someone who the majority agree with from the start
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Yes, better to get it done now than leave it until eve of poll especially with postals about to go out for manyRobD said:
Thank buggery we are still 16 days out.HYUFD said:
No, the u turn is embarrassing in the short term but in the long term puts the 100 seat majority back in playCyan said:
How much mileage have they got with the message they've chosen? People's perception of "Look at us: we're strong and stable" could suddenly flip. They could appear superficial, self-regarding, arrogant, with a dollop of craziness, and with an opinion of themselves that simply isn't shared by the country. They do seem to be stuck in the past, and that's not a good look.FrancisUrquhart said:All the tories had to put in the manifesto was brexit, bins and immigration target...That is all they had to do....
There is the argument that opinions don't change much in the last two weeks. But if there is an exception to that rule, it could be when a sitting government's self-description as ever so STRONG and STABLE suddenly looks hollow.
Pushing xenophobia may be all they've got. I am not sure Brexit will help them much. If they lose enough votes from the 48%, they are f***ed.
And don't forget "The Sun says [the Labour leader] is a traitor". Could this be the first election since 1974 when British people say no to that vile rag?TheScreamingEagles said:twitter.com/RossFootball/status/866614939036864513
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Not so, for the very obvious reason that Theresa May and the Tories are the only game in town. Labour aren't even pretending to be a credible alternative government.Cyan said:
If it has been utterly destroyed, the Tories are out. If anything a major party says can start to look paper-thin quickly, it's a promise from a sitting government that things are going to be OK when living conditions and expectations have fallen for years.0 -
Bet he's kicking himself right now!Hertsmere_Pubgoer said:
To get Osborne off the back benches?TheScreamingEagles said:Can anyone remind me why Mrs May called this early election ?
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Whoever he was leader oflogical_song said:
... for Labour?isam said:
Farage as Tory leader would win a landslide!edmundintokyo said:
Makes sense in theory until you look at the potential candidates.isam said:Maybe the country needs a leaver in charge, someone who the majority agree with from the start
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No, we don't.MarkSenior said:We do really need to know the clarification for the means test limit for the freeze the elderly WFA cut . Will it hurt just millionaire pensioners , wealthy pensioners or include many who struggle to just get by .
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970 comments about this U turn/disaster for TM the PM, but no betting advice?0
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Goodness, when the Daily Mail starts getting disoriented things are coming along nicely! There were signs of this a few years ago when they kind of backed a radical fightback by students. The Tories have relied for decades on "F*** you - I'm all right, Jack". Now perhaps people are realising that the young, the elderly, the sick and the indebted are NOT all right, Jack.Scott_P said:@patrickwintour: Mail will be annoyed. It loyally backed Dementia Tax, even though ran counter to entire ideology. Now May retreats and Mail looks foolish.
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Oh, I think Labour's position might just come under scrutiny next.... and their hypocrisy.bigjohnowls said:
Thats true. As long as that continues for next 17 days job done.MarqueeMark said:
It still has more detail than Labour's position on care costs....bigjohnowls said:Yvette CooperVerified account @YvetteCooperMP 2m2 minutes ago
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I accept the social care announcement was inept but the policy itself is not.
The move to cap costs together with the reaffirmation of the policy is likely to limit the damage, and the prospect of Corbyn likely to see a reasonable majority.
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In fact, the Supreme Court saved Theresa's bacon. She was insisting going ahead without a parliamentary vote.RobD said:
Meaningless, since the referendum was advisory only.Beverley_C said:
And then there is this.... "A French lawyer ... Julien Fouchet ... [a] European law specialist from Bordeaux wants to challenge the validity of the EU negotiations on the basis the procedure was flawed ...Scott_P said:
PMSLCarlottaVance said:Commission negotiating documents which are shared with EU Member States, the European Council, the European Parliament, the Council, national parliaments, and the United Kingdom will be released to the public
It will call for the cancellation of the Brexit negotiating directives drafted by the EU, which are due to be adopted on 22 May, on the basis the referendum breached the rights of the UK citizens who were denied the vote. "
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/brexit-talks-illegal-uk-expats-british-abroad-not-vote-french-lawyer-julien-fouchet-european-a7745216.html0 -
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Delyn / Vale of Clwyd at mirror odds. Delwyn is around 8% margin for Labour and a target; Vale of Clwyd is Tory held.isam said:970 comments about this U turn/disaster for TM the PM, but no betting advice?
3 unit Vale of Clwyd Tory @ 1-4
1 units Delwyn @ 4-1 Labour
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Well many elderly pensioners need to know if they are likely to freeze next winter . You heartless Tories may not care .Slackbladder said:
No, we don't.MarkSenior said:We do really need to know the clarification for the means test limit for the freeze the elderly WFA cut . Will it hurt just millionaire pensioners , wealthy pensioners or include many who struggle to just get by .
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Looking at the photos I am surprised the SNP backtracked so quickly on this last night - positively Mayesque lack of resolve.calum said:SCON's attempt to distract by nurse story from last night's debate is now unraveling:
http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/foodbank-nurse-who-put-nicola-10473725
And a lesson that what happens on facebook, stays on facebook but also absolutely everywhere else.0 -
He wouldn't NOW, but certainly if he looked like David Cameron and spoke with the same accent he would already be prime minister.isam said:
Farage as Tory leader would win a landslide!edmundintokyo said:
Makes sense in theory until you look at the potential candidates.isam said:Maybe the country needs a leaver in charge, someone who the majority agree with from the start
How strong and stable is it to do a U-turn during an election campaign? One Gillian Duffy moment or similar, and they're out. "But Corbyn said something about the IRA" - well who gives a toss?MarqueeMark said:
Oh, I think Labour's position might just come under scrutiny next.... and their hypocrisy.bigjohnowls said:
Thats true. As long as that continues for next 17 days job done.MarqueeMark said:
It still has more detail than Labour's position on care costs....bigjohnowls said:Yvette CooperVerified account @YvetteCooperMP 2m2 minutes ago
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You told me this was a none issue at the Weekend so your view doesnt countMarqueeMark said:
Oh, I think Labour's position might just come under scrutiny next.... and their hypocrisy.bigjohnowls said:
Thats true. As long as that continues for next 17 days job done.MarqueeMark said:
It still has more detail than Labour's position on care costs....bigjohnowls said:Yvette CooperVerified account @YvetteCooperMP 2m2 minutes ago
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So predictable
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Soon after the GE was announced, I commented on here that I was afraid that Mr Corbyn was going to end up as PM and asked if anyone could show me his route to No.10. Nobody could (or at least, nobody did).
Actually, I'm quite sorry to see the Conservatives have taken up my challenge.
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Very low, even allowing for the fact that in the Tory Party, you don't 'challenge' for the leadership. It's not 1990.Scott_P said:So what are the odds that May scrapes through this election with a small majority, then is immediately challenged for the leadership by the headbangers who think she is going to screw up Brexit as badly as this?
The problem that May has is that she's not really suited to electioneering. That skillset, however, is very different from the one needed to run a government or lead negotiations.0 -
Who plays Rinka ?TheScreamingEagles said:
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Reading it at the moment - excellent! Though Grant is a bit old to play Thorpe (by about two decades...)TheScreamingEagles said:0 -
I raise you with:CarlottaVance said:
Cybernats have got previous on this:calum said:SCON's attempt to distract by nurse story from last night's debate is now unraveling:
http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/foodbank-nurse-who-put-nicola-10473725
http://www.scotsman.com/news/politics/cybernats-target-foodbank-manager-for-shaming-snp-1-3828763
http://www.sconews.co.uk/news/53123/conservatives-suspend-councillor-after-sco-report-into-bigoted-comments/0 -
@jamesrbuk: Prediction: expect writeups of Nick Timothy to suddenly get a *lot* less favourable0
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Yes, but the other side of the coin is that, regardless of our legal system, the Commission has to follow the EU's legal system. We need two sides to negotiate.surbiton said:
In fact, the Supreme Court saved Theresa's bacon. She was insisting going ahead without a parliamentary vote.RobD said:
Meaningless, since the referendum was advisory only.Beverley_C said:
And then there is this.... "A French lawyer ... Julien Fouchet ... [a] European law specialist from Bordeaux wants to challenge the validity of the EU negotiations on the basis the procedure was flawed ...Scott_P said:
PMSLCarlottaVance said:Commission negotiating documents which are shared with EU Member States, the European Council, the European Parliament, the Council, national parliaments, and the United Kingdom will be released to the public
It will call for the cancellation of the Brexit negotiating directives drafted by the EU, which are due to be adopted on 22 May, on the basis the referendum breached the rights of the UK citizens who were denied the vote. "
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/brexit-talks-illegal-uk-expats-british-abroad-not-vote-french-lawyer-julien-fouchet-european-a7745216.html0 -
The big one will be over a second EU referendum. There's no other way to get off the massive hook the government is on.PeterMannion said:So predictable
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So she's now upset everyone who's just spent four days defending this, and given ammunition to everyone that thinks she isn't strong and stable.YBarddCwsc said:
I agree with you about the policy being better than what we have now.Sandpit said:Okay, I'm annoyed now. The policy is popular in the marginals, any suggestion of a cap on care costs is just pandering to the media outrage. I thought Theresa had the balls to go on this and stick to it.
I suspect (from May’s point of view) a U-turn, or clarification, is right.
The media need their pound of flesh.
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I wonder if OGH has ever thought of offering PB as a giant focus group to politicians.
We would be a better and cheaper sounding board than their arselicking spads.
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The Tories are not losing votes to Labour - they are losing some to 'not sure' and 'might not bother'. They are fortunate that UKIP are not around.
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What an utter disaster. Not only has she capitulated to media pressure (which ruins the 'strong and stable' and 'tough but necessary' campaign themes); by not stating what the cap will be, she ensures that this farrago will run and run.
Maybe working on a collective farm won't be so bad. Like a gap year on a kibbutz, for the rest of your life.0 -
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Thorpe looked a lot older than he was though. He could have passed for 60 by the time he resigned.CarlottaVance said:
Reading it at the moment - excellent! Though Grant is a bit old to play Thorpe (by about two decades...)TheScreamingEagles said:0 -
Exactly.chestnut said:The Tories are not losing votes to Labour - they are losing some to 'not sure' and 'might not bother'. They are fortunate that UKIP are not around.
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National Insurance Rise
Workers on company boards
Holding an election
The Dementia Tax
Strong and Stable Leader or Weak and Wobbly Leader?0 -
And what is Lynton Crosby up to? Has somebody put something in his tea, or are they just not listening to him?SeanT said:
She also really REALLY needs to widen her circle of advisors. She HAS to learn from this disaster. Get out of the bunker, put Timothy and Hill back in their box, get some smart people who will answer back or correct her.david_herdson said:
Very low, even allowing for the fact that in the Tory Party, you don't 'challenge' for the leadership. It's not 1990.Scott_P said:So what are the odds that May scrapes through this election with a small majority, then is immediately challenged for the leadership by the headbangers who think she is going to screw up Brexit as badly as this?
The problem that May has is that she's not really suited to electioneering. That skillset, however, is very different from the one needed to run a government or lead negotiations.
This debacle all comes from her reliance on a tiny group of wonks that have been with her for yonks. Not healthy.0 -
Ah, one of the plastic paddies (even if you are from Ulster). All the benefits, none of the tax and religious bigotry.Beverley_C said:
I never said I was moving Ireland, just that I was sorting out my citizenship and getting my passport sorted. The whole EU is my oyster.matt said:Aren't you planning to move to Ireland? I'd have a look at the politicians there if I were you.
The assumption in this parish is that because I was sorting out Irish citizenship then I was going there. Whoops!0 -
I'm not even sure this u turn solves the issue. People aren't concerned about a cap, they are pissed at the prospect of having to pay at all. Whatever the realities of the situation, they are trying to sell a cup of sick. Should have avoided.0
