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Looks like it was more #FakeNews from Channel 4 then?0
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That would be me! I sold at 387 and I'm left hoping that 21st Century Socialism will sweep across the nation....!Scott_P said:
Who sold Tory seats on the spreads on the basis this info would drop during the campaign?Jason said:Who has the biggest downer today - Smithson or Crick?
I'm glad I laid Marine last weekend to balance the books (did I really just write that?)0 -
20k of hotel bills it seems....RobD said:
Do we know if the Thanet claims are specifically different? I thought it was all battle busses?FrancisUrquhart said:BBC - It's understood a decison on whether to bring charges re South Thanet will be made before the election, possibly next week
Could still be rather awkward. A week before the GE would be rather unhelpful to say the least, taking a leaf out of Comey's book.0 -
It'll be after the one with the 22 smiling Mays for the recent ICM pollScrapheap_as_was said:
I think we're looking forward to the next PB thread on it too.Scrapheap_as_was said:
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wot I said.FrancisUrquhart said:
Faisal Islam (no fan of the Tories) just said on Sky that he had seen leaked emails where candidates / agents repeatedly asked CCHQ is this local or national spending with CCHQ replying national.mwadams said:
That is not what the press release says. The standard of evidence for the Electoral Commission is to demonstrate that there was a breach of the regulations, for which they were fined. However, the standard of evidence for a criminal prosecution is much higher - it has to be proven that there was deliberate intent to knowingly breach the regulations.scotslass said:Truly remarkable - the CPS believe that the returns were inacurate, the Electoral Commission fines the Tories but now no proceedings on the basis that none of these agents and candidates really know what was going on.
Really. What happened to the notion that ignorance of the law is no defence?
The press release does not say that the agents and candidates did not know what was going - it says that they believed that these expenses could be allocated centrally, not locally, and so they did not report them. This made the returns "inaccurate" and subject to an EC fine, but there clearly weren't any "hoho, if we pretend we think these are central expenses we can avoid reporting them, bwahahah" emails; so no criminal prosecution.0 -
I totally agree. The whole idea of their being a clear difference between local and national spending really doesn't exist any more. I honestly can't think of any easy way of making that distinction, so it would make more sense to come up with a new approach to determining permissible levels of spending.FrancisUrquhart said:The key issue here really is the notion of local vs national spending is virtually impossible to work out in this digital age (and one where moving people around the country is trivial).
The authorities really need to consider how to adjust the rules for the modern age.0 -
Off topic on May's appearance on the One Show. Philip May actually came across quite well, he seemed pretty on ease on camera (more than May herself, strangely), and likable. Complete fluff but can only help her image. Presumably though the BBC are obligated to offer appearances to the other major party leaders to appear with their partners?0
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The suggestion in Thanet is there was a massive massive overspend in lots of different ways e.g Crick has claimed Tory individuals were located for long periods in hotels in the seat but Tories didn't record it as such.RobD said:
Do we know if the Thanet claims are specifically different? I thought it was all battle busses?FrancisUrquhart said:BBC - It's understood a decison on whether to bring charges re South Thanet will be made before the election, possibly next week
Could still be rather awkward. A week before the GE would be rather unhelpful to say the least, taking a leaf out of Comey's book.
In these other seats, it wasn't even clear there was any overspend even if you said battle buses were in proportion local spending.0 -
I'm just trying to envisage what that might look like..AlastairMeeks said:
There are a lot of very disgruntled Remain voters in these parts. Moderate and temperate voters like me often get their ears bent by them.IanB2 said:
It suggests SW London is more positive for the LDs than most of the PB pundits have been predicting.AlastairMeeks said:Just a 2% Labour to Conservative swing in a 60:40 Remain stronghold.
My rough and ready model of differential swing from the other day might not be too bad.
Given your comments on Leave and to Leavers on here, how much worse can it get?!0 -
That's a very good result for Labour in London, but implies that the swings against them in places like the North East and West Midlands will be enormous.0
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there was an icm poll? ......RobD said:
It'll be after the one with the 22 smiling Mays for the recent ICM pollScrapheap_as_was said:
I think we're looking forward to the next PB thread on it too.Scrapheap_as_was said:0 -
14 police forces should not be investigating any sort of crime in London.walterw said:franklyn
'So 14 police forces have the time and manpower to investigate possible technical infringements of electoral law, but are too busy to investigate a major outbreak of violent crime (20 cases a day) by moped gangs in London.'
Hopefully we get to find out how many police hours were wasted & what this nonsense has cost the taxpayer.0 -
They're just making things up now, in the certain knowledge that they'll never have to ever actually do anything. (C) LibDems, Greens, UKIP.FrancisUrquhart said:Jezza pitch, 50% increase in Corporation Tax...for ewucation.
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@Steven_Swinford: Jeremy Corbyn is questioning the CPS decision not to prosecute Tory MPs, saying that 'laws must be enforced so money can't buy power' #GE17
@Maomentum_: The CPS should have respected Jeremy's mandate.0 -
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there was an icm poll? ......RobD said:
It'll be after the one with the 22 smiling Mays for the recent ICM pollScrapheap_as_was said:
I think we're looking forward to the next PB thread on it too.Scrapheap_as_was said:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinion_polling_for_the_United_Kingdom_general_election,_2017
5-7 May, if you were serious
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Jezza - RIGGGGGGGEDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD SYTEM.0
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So, Corbyn’s £80K wage and £450K homes tax raid going down a treat in London then..?IanB2 said:YouGov London poll: Con 36% (+2), Lab 41% (-2), LibDem 14% (+6), UKIP 6% (-2), Green 3% (-2)
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Not a good week for Mr Crick. I have to agree the media look crestfallen at the loss of a massive story, so they are concentrating on South Thanet, which I believe is a different case.
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Ruth Davidson finding it very difficult to retract from her position that Boris Johnson is a lying shit. Or to deny that Theresa May has surrounded herself with Brexiteers. It's embarrassing to listen to.0
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The EC fines show it was a real story.Jason said:This does bring into question C4's impartiality, and the amount of time and effort they put into this story. Some serious and searching questions have to be asked of a national, subsidised broadcaster.
BBC, Sky, etc, look like they're attending a wake at the moment.0 -
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I expect the next thread will be on the YouGov pollScrapheap_as_was said:
I think we're looking forward to the next PB thread on it too.Scrapheap_as_was said:0 -
I wonder if Team Twat opinions formed by reading the Canary will be get an airing?0
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Shortly there will be a CPS announcement, which will not affect the Government's majority.CommanderShepard said:
That is almost as good as the Sion Simon article.Richard_Nabavi said:Oh dear, poor Mark "we already know that there is a very strong case against many if not all of the thirty plus" Pack will be so crestfallen:
http://www2.politicalbetting.com/index.php/archives/2017/05/02/mark-pack-on-the-major-event-that-could-yet-derail-this-election/0 -
It must have been so painful for Midlife Crisis Mason to do Newsnight every night....not just to go wibble wibble wibble wibble the Tories.Scrapheap_as_was said:0 -
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Poor Faisal looked completely distraught, the nasty CPS took away the story he had planned to talk about all day.FrancisUrquhart said:
Faisal Islam (no fan of the Tories) just said on Sky that he had seen leaked emails where candidates / agents repeatedly asked CCHQ is this local or national spending with CCHQ replying national.mwadams said:
That is not what the press release says. The standard of evidence for the Electoral Commission is to demonstrate that there was a breach of the regulations, for which they were fined. However, the standard of evidence for a criminal prosecution is much higher - it has to be proven that there was deliberate intent to knowingly breach the regulations.scotslass said:Truly remarkable - the CPS believe that the returns were inacurate, the Electoral Commission fines the Tories but now no proceedings on the basis that none of these agents and candidates really know what was going on.
Really. What happened to the notion that ignorance of the law is no defence?
The press release does not say that the agents and candidates did not know what was going - it says that they believed that these expenses could be allocated centrally, not locally, and so they did not report them. This made the returns "inaccurate" and subject to an EC fine, but there clearly weren't any "hoho, if we pretend we think these are central expenses we can avoid reporting them, bwahahah" emails; so no criminal prosecution.0 -
I'm sure it will be, I've seen the LD change....TheScreamingEagles said:
I expect the next thread will be on the YouGov pollScrapheap_as_was said:
I think we're looking forward to the next PB thread on it too.Scrapheap_as_was said:0 -
For each party.DecrepitJohnL said:
The EC fines show it was a real story.Jason said:This does bring into question C4's impartiality, and the amount of time and effort they put into this story. Some serious and searching questions have to be asked of a national, subsidised broadcaster.
BBC, Sky, etc, look like they're attending a wake at the moment.0 -
The way this is playing out does suggest that proceedings in the South Thanet case may be more likely than not, with that case separated out to put some distance between it and the locations where the judgement is that no wrongdoing can be proven?0
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That was a terrible article - the notion that elections had been 'rigged' was quite ridiculous. Such an assertion wouldn't have been correct even if charges had been brought.Richard_Nabavi said:Oh dear, poor Mark "we already know that there is a very strong case against many if not all of the thirty plus" Pack will be so crestfallen:
http://www2.politicalbetting.com/index.php/archives/2017/05/02/mark-pack-on-the-major-event-that-could-yet-derail-this-election/0 -
The bright side of this sorry saga is seeing so many 'progressives' who claim to be liberal, and sticklers for the application of the law, throwing their toys out of the pram because the law has been correctly applied.0
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People love fluff. Voters love fluff.Paristonda said:Off topic on May's appearance on the One Show. Philip May actually came across quite well, he seemed pretty on ease on camera (more than May herself, strangely), and likable. Complete fluff but can only help her image. Presumably though the BBC are obligated to offer appearances to the other major party leaders to appear with their partners?
Why else are BakeOff, X-factor, and celebrity magazines are so popular?
This is an election. Voters feeling politicians are also human helps empathy, and therefore getting votes.
And all that matters to politicians is maximising votes, and getting them in the right places. There are no prizes for "how".0 -
Was Sturgeon wrong or did Theresa May already know the CPS decision?CarlottaVance said:0 -
These days, London has a clear left wing majority.SimonStClare said:
So, Corbyn’s £80K wage and £450K homes tax raid going down a treat in London then..?IanB2 said:YouGov London poll: Con 36% (+2), Lab 41% (-2), LibDem 14% (+6), UKIP 6% (-2), Green 3% (-2)
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"Gareth Thomas in Harrow West and Karen Buck in Westminster North are both in range of Conservative guns if Labour has a bad night."
Labour are 3/1 to hold Harrow West and 11/4 to hold Westminster North. Seems very generous.0 -
Why would the CPS tell her of a decision three to four weeks before announcing it?DecrepitJohnL said:
Was Sturgeon wrong or did Theresa May already know the CPS decision?CarlottaVance said:0 -
You may well be right - indeed the Inner/Outer point is one I made yesterday. In which case the pro-LD swing in Inner London must be dramatic (which supports various anecdotal reports from PB'ers and their acquaintances) and good news for Simon Hughes at least.AlastairMeeks said:
I don't think that's a safe assumption. Inner city London is exactly where I'd expect to see the Lib Dems increasing their vote share. There are a lot of very disgruntled Remain voters in these parts. Moderate and temperate voters like me often get their ears bent by them.IanB2 said:
It suggests SW London is more positive for the LDs than most of the PB pundits have been predicting.AlastairMeeks said:Just a 2% Labour to Conservative swing in a 60:40 Remain stronghold.
My rough and ready model of differential swing from the other day might not be too bad.0 -
IanB2 said:
The way this is playing out does suggest that proceedings in the South Thanet case may be more likely than not, with that case separated out to put some distance between it and the locations where the judgement is that no wrongdoing can be proven?
No you can't say that:
"One file, from Kent Police, was only recently received by the CPS, and remains under consideration. No inference as to whether any criminal charge may or may not be authorised in relation to this file should be drawn from this fact and we will announce our decision as soon as possible once we have considered the evidence in this matter."
http://www.cps.gov.uk/news/latest_news/cps-statement-on-election-expenses/
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He much prefers the state show-trial system of beloved south american countries clearly.FrancisUrquhart said:Jezza - RIGGGGGGGEDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD SYTEM.
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Corbyn has been offered but declined invitation for his wifeParistonda said:Off topic on May's appearance on the One Show. Philip May actually came across quite well, he seemed pretty on ease on camera (more than May herself, strangely), and likable. Complete fluff but can only help her image. Presumably though the BBC are obligated to offer appearances to the other major party leaders to appear with their partners?
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Perhaps the CPS are "enemies of the people" ?Richard_Nabavi said:The bright side of this sorry saga is seeing so many 'progressives' who claim to be liberal, and sticklers for the application of the law, throwing their toys out of the pram because the law has been correctly applied.
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https://twitter.com/wallaceme/status/862251989807357953Richard_Nabavi said:The bright side of this sorry saga is seeing so many 'progressives' who claim to be liberal, and sticklers for the application of the law, throwing their toys out of the pram because the law has been correctly applied.
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That's the point. Saying the election was not called because of the pending cases implies prior knowledge. If there was no such leak (or direction) then the chances remain high that fear of prosecution was a motivating factor in calling a snap election.RobD said:
Why would the CPS tell her of a decision three to four weeks before announcing it?DecrepitJohnL said:
Was Sturgeon wrong or did Theresa May already know the CPS decision?CarlottaVance said:0 -
Ruth favours independence should Boris ever takeover !!Roger said:Ruth Davidson finding it very difficult to retract from her position that Boris Johnson is a lying shit. Or to deny that Theresa May has surrounded herself with Brexiteers. It's embarrassing to listen to.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/06/20/ruth-davidson-believes-scottish-tories-would-break-away-if-boris/0 -
Actually, Lab are +4 on the last poll, against Con +2 (LD and Grn being squeezed, seemingly). The main drop in the Lab share happened much earlier.SimonStClare said:
So, Corbyn’s £80K wage and £450K homes tax raid going down a treat in London then..?IanB2 said:YouGov London poll: Con 36% (+2), Lab 41% (-2), LibDem 14% (+6), UKIP 6% (-2), Green 3% (-2)
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I don't think it implies that, because the decision could have been made totally independent of any CPS action.DecrepitJohnL said:
That's the point. Saying the election was not called because of the pending cases implies prior knowledge. If there was no such leak (or direction) then the chances remain high that fear of prosecution was a motivating factor in calling a snap election.RobD said:
Why would the CPS tell her of a decision three to four weeks before announcing it?DecrepitJohnL said:
Was Sturgeon wrong or did Theresa May already know the CPS decision?CarlottaVance said:0 -
The only surprise is that anyone is surprised.
The Tories have more money and better organisation than Labour. They are also more popular. The latter matters most.0 -
Michael Crick's remit is to hunt out wrong doing and hypocricy and he does it well. It reduces the humour when he takes it too far by getting the police involved and also makes it too tabloid. But it's nothing to do with impartiality.Jason said:This does bring into question C4's impartiality, and the amount of time and effort they put into this story. Some serious and searching questions have to be asked of a national, subsidised broadcaster.
BBC, Sky, etc, look like they're attending a wake at the moment.0 -
Looking at Yougov's London form in 2015 and 2016 it wouldn't be a surprise to see that a five point poll lead is really somehwere between one and three.
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I think they are jolly good chaps/chapettes .GIN1138 said:
Perhaps the CPS are "enemies of the people" ?Richard_Nabavi said:The bright side of this sorry saga is seeing so many 'progressives' who claim to be liberal, and sticklers for the application of the law, throwing their toys out of the pram because the law has been correctly applied.
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Anyway, let this whole sorry episode be a reminder to all candidates to have the invoices for their Facebook page ready to submit....
FFS.0 -
Invariably...DecrepitJohnL said:Was Sturgeon wrong
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The bluster of Salmond and Sturgeon is what's embarrassing - a year ago observers such as David Allan Green were saying the chances of charges were remote.scotslass said:Moderated
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Yeah, therefore it's quite possible that Tessy in her 'ignorance' factored in possible prosecutions in her GE decision.RobD said:
Why would the CPS tell her of a decision three to four weeks before announcing it?DecrepitJohnL said:
Was Sturgeon wrong or did Theresa May already know the CPS decision?CarlottaVance said:0 -
The Corbynite Twitter-monkeys are screeching at maximum volume and flinging their shit in all directions. It's hilarious.Richard_Nabavi said:The bright side of this sorry saga is seeing so many 'progressives' who claim to be liberal, and sticklers for the application of the law, throwing their toys out of the pram because the law has been correctly applied.
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Funny though, how in his world, those on the left are invariably saints and those on the right invariably the sinners....Roger said:
Michael Crick's remit is to hunt out wrong doing and hypocricy and he does it well. It reduces the humour when he takes it too far by getting the police involved and also makes it too tabloid. But it's nothing to do with impartiality.Jason said:This does bring into question C4's impartiality, and the amount of time and effort they put into this story. Some serious and searching questions have to be asked of a national, subsidised broadcaster.
BBC, Sky, etc, look like they're attending a wake at the moment.
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https://twitter.com/tnewtondunn/status/862028699771731969Roger said:
Michael Crick's remit is to hunt out wrong doing and hypocricy and he does it well. It reduces the humour when he takes it too far by getting the police involved and also makes it too tabloid. But it's nothing to do with impartiality.Jason said:This does bring into question C4's impartiality, and the amount of time and effort they put into this story. Some serious and searching questions have to be asked of a national, subsidised broadcaster.
BBC, Sky, etc, look like they're attending a wake at the moment.0 -
Andrew Mitchell would vehemently disagree with youMarqueeMark said:
Funny though, how in his world, those on the left are invariably saints and those on the right invariably the sinners....Roger said:
Michael Crick's remit is to hunt out wrong doing and hypocricy and he does it well. It reduces the humour when he takes it too far by getting the police involved and also makes it too tabloid. But it's nothing to do with impartiality.Jason said:This does bring into question C4's impartiality, and the amount of time and effort they put into this story. Some serious and searching questions have to be asked of a national, subsidised broadcaster.
BBC, Sky, etc, look like they're attending a wake at the moment.0 -
This is a genuine thing. Mayllennial's. Milifandom was just a joke. The Marx brothers at the top of Labour are just a joke. But May is resonating in the most astounding ways
https://www.buzzfeed.com/patricksmith/the-maylennials-are-young-women-who-love-theresa-may-and?utm_term=.fb7j7y3w8B#.ax09dwzegM0 -
I still don't buy that. Why would she call the election for after the deadline if she was worried about convictions? Surely she would have called it for May 4th.Theuniondivvie said:
Yeah, therefore it's quite possible that Tessy in her 'ignorance' factored in possible prosecutions in her GE decision.RobD said:
Why would the CPS tell her of a decision three to four weeks before announcing it?DecrepitJohnL said:
Was Sturgeon wrong or did Theresa May already know the CPS decision?CarlottaVance said:0 -
Some of what you say is true, but it will now come across as a witch hunt. Crick over egged the pudding by a considerable margin.Roger said:
Michael Crick's remit is to hunt out wrong doing and hypocricy and he does it well. It reduces the humour when he takes it too far by getting the police involved and also makes it too tabloid. But it's nothing to do with impartiality.Jason said:This does bring into question C4's impartiality, and the amount of time and effort they put into this story. Some serious and searching questions have to be asked of a national, subsidised broadcaster.
BBC, Sky, etc, look like they're attending a wake at the moment.0 -
I think we'd all want to be somewhere elsecalum said:
Ruth favours independence should Boris ever takeover !!Roger said:Ruth Davidson finding it very difficult to retract from her position that Boris Johnson is a lying shit. Or to deny that Theresa May has surrounded herself with Brexiteers. It's embarrassing to listen to.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/06/20/ruth-davidson-believes-scottish-tories-would-break-away-if-boris/0 -
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I disagree.Richard_Nabavi said:The bright side of this sorry saga is seeing so many 'progressives' who claim to be liberal, and sticklers for the application of the law, throwing their toys out of the pram because the law has been correctly applied.
It's fairly depressing that so many relatively intelligent people have no faith in the criminal justice system - or are allowing their political opinions completely to obscure their judgment.0 -
I think the Conservatives will gain Harrow West, and Labour will hold Westminster North.Artist said:"Gareth Thomas in Harrow West and Karen Buck in Westminster North are both in range of Conservative guns if Labour has a bad night."
Labour are 3/1 to hold Harrow West and 11/4 to hold Westminster North. Seems very generous.0 -
Oh well.
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This whole saga wont move one vote. Those who believe the Tories are guilty would always have voted anyone but the Tories. To those Ex UKIP and Labour voters who are going to vote for Theresa May on June 8th it won't even register as an event and if it does it will be on the what a waste of police time spectrum.MarqueeMark said:
Funny though, how in his world, those on the left are invariably saints and those on the right invariably the sinners....Roger said:
Michael Crick's remit is to hunt out wrong doing and hypocricy and he does it well. It reduces the humour when he takes it too far by getting the police involved and also makes it too tabloid. But it's nothing to do with impartiality.Jason said:This does bring into question C4's impartiality, and the amount of time and effort they put into this story. Some serious and searching questions have to be asked of a national, subsidised broadcaster.
BBC, Sky, etc, look like they're attending a wake at the moment.0 -
Sporting, the precious darlings, have resumed coverage of their GE markets, with their spread prices unchanged from before.0
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Plenty of disgruntled over my dead body Lab voters where I have canvassed who look set to head over to the LDs more as a ABLBNC vote than any other reason.IanB2 said:
You may well be right - indeed the Inner/Outer point is one I made yesterday. In which case the pro-LD swing in Inner London must be dramatic (which supports various anecdotal reports from PB'ers and their acquaintances) and good news for Simon Hughes at least.AlastairMeeks said:
I don't think that's a safe assumption. Inner city London is exactly where I'd expect to see the Lib Dems increasing their vote share. There are a lot of very disgruntled Remain voters in these parts. Moderate and temperate voters like me often get their ears bent by them.IanB2 said:
It suggests SW London is more positive for the LDs than most of the PB pundits have been predicting.AlastairMeeks said:Just a 2% Labour to Conservative swing in a 60:40 Remain stronghold.
My rough and ready model of differential swing from the other day might not be too bad.
Edit: Cons remainers, meanwhile, look likely to head over to LDs also as NCBCVLs.0 -
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'Tessy definitely didn't know in advance how the investigation into electoral fraud would pan out, but that investigation definitely had no bearing on her calling a snap election. Definitely.'RobD said:
I still don't buy that. Why would she call the election for after the deadline if she was worried about convictions? Surely she would have called it for May 4th.Theuniondivvie said:
Yeah, therefore it's quite possible that Tessy in her 'ignorance' factored in possible prosecutions in her GE decision.RobD said:
Why would the CPS tell her of a decision three to four weeks before announcing it?DecrepitJohnL said:
Was Sturgeon wrong or did Theresa May already know the CPS decision?CarlottaVance said:
Cake, be warned, you will be possessed and consumed.0 -
I'm not sure they need an excuse, so lost to political reality* are they.Scott_P said:
They have an excuse for Jezza not resigningAnorak said:The Corbynite Twitter-monkeys are screeching at maximum volume and flinging their shit in all directions. It's hilarious.
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That is rather annoying, I was kinda hoping it would drop ten seats this morning! There's a lot of potential downside buying at 401.peter_from_putney said:Sporting, the precious darlings, have resumed coverage of their GE markets, with their spread prices unchanged from before.
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If she didn't know in advance how it would pan out, and it did have bearing, why did she call for the election to be held *after* the deadline?Theuniondivvie said:
'Tessy definitely didn't know in advance how the investigation into electoral fraud would pan out, but that definitely had no bearing on her calling a snap election. Definitely.'RobD said:
I still don't buy that. Why would she call the election for after the deadline if she was worried about convictions? Surely she would have called it for May 4th.Theuniondivvie said:
Yeah, therefore it's quite possible that Tessy in her 'ignorance' factored in possible prosecutions in her GE decision.RobD said:
Why would the CPS tell her of a decision three to four weeks before announcing it?DecrepitJohnL said:
Was Sturgeon wrong or did Theresa May already know the CPS decision?CarlottaVance said:
Cake, be warned, you will be possessed and consumed.0 -
Should have listened to me.Sandpit said:
That is rather annoying, I was kinda hoping it would drop ten seats this morning! There's a lot of potential downside buying at 401.peter_from_putney said:Sporting, the precious darlings, have resumed coverage of their GE markets, with their spread prices unchanged from before.
My tip of the day. Sell the SNP.
There's not much potential downside to that bet.0 -
"Ever more clearer"......Scottish education these days.....Scott_P said:Arrogance and Bluster?
https://twitter.com/alexsalmond/status/8575743972295761930 -
Aren't you a tad worried that May might dissolve the Tory party and create a new "May's Team Party"?Sandpit said:
That is rather annoying, I was kinda hoping it would drop ten seats this morning! There's a lot of potential downside buying at 401.peter_from_putney said:Sporting, the precious darlings, have resumed coverage of their GE markets, with their spread prices unchanged from before.
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@SkyNewsBreak: Liberal Democrat leader Tim Farron says "the Conservative Party driven a battlebus and horses right the way through the spirit of the law"0
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Haven't other parties too?Scott_P said:@SkyNewsBreak: Liberal Democrat leader Tim Farron says "the Conservative Party driven a battlebus and horses right the way through the spirit of the law"
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The economic outlook, Brexit troubles, and the opportunity were always the most credible reasons.Scott_P said:Arrogance and Bluster?
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You'd sell at 43?TheScreamingEagles said:
Should have listened to me.Sandpit said:
That is rather annoying, I was kinda hoping it would drop ten seats this morning! There's a lot of potential downside buying at 401.peter_from_putney said:Sporting, the precious darlings, have resumed coverage of their GE markets, with their spread prices unchanged from before.
My tip of the day. Sell the SNP.
There's not much potential downside to that bet.0 -
From a Director of Populus Polls. Chortle
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To avoid having charges laid just a week after the election? If CPS action was a factor, the election would need to be after the deadline to allow new candidates to be chosen.RobD said:
If she didn't know in advance how it would pan out, and it did have bearing, why did she call for the election to be held *after* the deadline?Theuniondivvie said:
'Tessy definitely didn't know in advance how the investigation into electoral fraud would pan out, but that definitely had no bearing on her calling a snap election. Definitely.'RobD said:
I still don't buy that. Why would she call the election for after the deadline if she was worried about convictions? Surely she would have called it for May 4th.Theuniondivvie said:
Yeah, therefore it's quite possible that Tessy in her 'ignorance' factored in possible prosecutions in her GE decision.RobD said:
Why would the CPS tell her of a decision three to four weeks before announcing it?DecrepitJohnL said:
Was Sturgeon wrong or did Theresa May already know the CPS decision?CarlottaVance said:
Cake, be warned, you will be possessed and consumed.0 -
Scott P
I have looked at the Salmond clip you have posted. What exactly is wrong with it?
His target seems to be the reappointed Tory campaign team directing the party who have already been fined by the Electoral Commission for the last election. That is true.
Are you or any of your fellow travellers seriously suggesting that the Tory high command did not see the CPS process as a risk to their campaign?0 -
@EricPickles: In Dec, LibDems were fined £20k for not declaring 307 items of spending; LibDems referred to Met Police for a criminal investigation.RobD said:Haven't other parties too?
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The smell of hubris from PB Tories hangs in the air.
If the Conservatives hadn't been incompetent about their dodgy election expenses then Crick wouldn't have had a story. You messed up. He found out and reported upon it.
In Russia Crick would be found dead in a ditch or enjoying a pot of polonium tea. In the UK we should celebrate robust journalistic investigations.
Conservatives nicked a draw in injury time. Hardly a Champion League Final win.0 -
If push came to shove, yes.Sandpit said:
You'd sell at 43?TheScreamingEagles said:
Should have listened to me.Sandpit said:
That is rather annoying, I was kinda hoping it would drop ten seats this morning! There's a lot of potential downside buying at 401.peter_from_putney said:Sporting, the precious darlings, have resumed coverage of their GE markets, with their spread prices unchanged from before.
My tip of the day. Sell the SNP.
There's not much potential downside to that bet.0 -
I think you are imagining this somewhat, or overegging it at the very least.Richard_Nabavi said:The bright side of this sorry saga is seeing so many 'progressives' who claim to be liberal, and sticklers for the application of the law, throwing their toys out of the pram because the law has been correctly applied.
Do you not think it should have at least been investigated? Or is anything the Tories do fine by you?
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Con 36% (+2), Lab 41% (-2), LibDem 14% (+6), UKIP 6% (-2), Green 3% (-2)
No chance.0 -
Indeed its like the article 50 case all over againRichard_Nabavi said:The bright side of this sorry saga is seeing so many 'progressives' who claim to be liberal, and sticklers for the application of the law, throwing their toys out of the pram because the law has been correctly applied.
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Paul Mason @paulmasonnews
CPS confirms: UK electoral law unenforcable. While labour movement accounts for every penny, billionaires can buy any election they want0 -
Can't see Karen Buck holding on. Lib Dems at rock bottom and are bound to steal one or two thousand off the reds.Sean_F said:
I think the Conservatives will gain Harrow West, and Labour will hold Westminster North.Artist said:"Gareth Thomas in Harrow West and Karen Buck in Westminster North are both in range of Conservative guns if Labour has a bad night."
Labour are 3/1 to hold Harrow West and 11/4 to hold Westminster North. Seems very generous.0 -
Given the anticipated size of the majority, I doubt the prospect of that would have bothered her!DecrepitJohnL said:
To avoid having charges laid just a week after the election? If CPS action was a factor, the election would need to be after the deadline to allow new candidates to be chosen.RobD said:
If she didn't know in advance how it would pan out, and it did have bearing, why did she call for the election to be held *after* the deadline?Theuniondivvie said:
'Tessy definitely didn't know in advance how the investigation into electoral fraud would pan out, but that definitely had no bearing on her calling a snap election. Definitely.'RobD said:
I still don't buy that. Why would she call the election for after the deadline if she was worried about convictions? Surely she would have called it for May 4th.Theuniondivvie said:
Yeah, therefore it's quite possible that Tessy in her 'ignorance' factored in possible prosecutions in her GE decision.RobD said:
Why would the CPS tell her of a decision three to four weeks before announcing it?DecrepitJohnL said:
Was Sturgeon wrong or did Theresa May already know the CPS decision?CarlottaVance said:
Cake, be warned, you will be possessed and consumed.0
