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imagepoliticalbetting.com » Blog Archive » At 11am the Crown Prosecution Service announces what it is doing about the CON GE2015 expenses investigation

It was reported last month that the CPS was looking into cases involving about 30 individuals.

Read the full story here


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    First.
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    And my first, first to boot.
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    SandpitSandpit Posts: 49,950
    Bottom step of the podium!
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    JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 39,091
    So here are some alternatives:

    1) Charges are bought against all 30 individuals and my FB feed does not shut up about EVVILLLL Tories.

    2) Charges are bought against some of the individuals, but people on my FB feed still refer to the 30 cheating EVVILLLL Tories.

    3) No charges are bought, but by FB feed says they were guilty and it's all a cover-up by EVVILLLL Tories.

    This generally makes my FB feed unreadable at times.

    It'll be interesting to see if the rumours involving the charges posted on here in the last week were accurate.
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    I missed the rumours of last week but would be amazed if all 30 individuals got charged.
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    daodaodaodao Posts: 821
    Will it damage the MayKip party? Opposition parties, and those who do not wish to see an authoritarian elective dictatorship for the next 5 years, will hope it does.
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    CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 59,791

    So here are some alternatives:

    1) Charges are bought against all 30 individuals and my FB feed does not shut up about EVVILLLL Tories.

    2) Charges are bought against some of the individuals, but people on my FB feed still refer to the 30 cheating EVVILLLL Tories.

    3) No charges are bought, but by FB feed says they were guilty and it's all a cover-up by EVVILLLL Tories.

    This generally makes my FB feed unreadable at times.

    It'll be interesting to see if the rumours involving the charges posted on here in the last week were accurate.

    Sounds like we've got the same friends.......
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    JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 39,091

    I missed the rumours of last week but would be amazed if all 30 individuals got charged.

    It was that some of the complaints were incredibly minor. ISTR examples were given, but cannot remember what they were, or even the poster.

    Not being a lawyer, it'll be interesting to see how much detail the CPS given about charges that are bought and not bought and their reasoning.

    Also, if none are bought, Crick might himself be in a slightly difficult position. Though I doubt that will happen.
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    JonathanJonathan Posts: 20,913
    This is one of those threads where you really can't/shouldn't say anything on topic.

    (Surprised we're not covering May's landmark One Show interview in more depth)

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    ydoethurydoethur Posts: 67,452
    edited May 2017
    FPT - some comment on a potential formal split in Labour.

    OK, Labour Uncut, the clue's in the name. But have a read of this article by one of the few people who correctly predicted Miliband would get hammered:

    http://labour-uncut.co.uk/2017/05/09/it-sounds-counter-intuitive-but-better-for-labours-survival-to-lose-seats-to-the-tories-than-the-lib-dems-or-ukip/
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    JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 39,091
    Jonathan said:

    This is one of those threads where you really can't/shouldn't say anything on topic.

    (Surprised we're not covering May's landmark One Show interview in more depth)

    Well, we can say they're all innocent. ;)
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    RobinWiggsRobinWiggs Posts: 621

    Jonathan said:

    This is one of those threads where you really can't/shouldn't say anything on topic.

    (Surprised we're not covering May's landmark One Show interview in more depth)

    Well, we can say they're all innocent. ;)
    Perhaps they are.
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    SandpitSandpit Posts: 49,950
    Jonathan said:

    This is one of those threads where you really can't/shouldn't say anything on topic.

    (Surprised we're not covering May's landmark One Show interview in more depth)

    One of the absolute certainties about today, is that someone who should know better will say something stupid and possibly predudicial. Hopefully it's not on this blog.

    I'm sure the focus groups say it goes down well with a certain audience, but I really don't care to watch politicians doing soft-soap daytime TV interviews. I'd much rather they spent more time talking to the likes of Andrew Neil.
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    ydoethurydoethur Posts: 67,452
    Sandpit said:

    Jonathan said:

    This is one of those threads where you really can't/shouldn't say anything on topic.

    (Surprised we're not covering May's landmark One Show interview in more depth)

    One of the absolute certainties about today, is that someone who should know better will say something stupid and possibly predudicial. Hopefully it's not on this blog.
    I wonder if there will be calls for Alison Saunders to be sacked? And from whom?
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    EssexitEssexit Posts: 1,956

    So here are some alternatives:

    1) Charges are bought against all 30 individuals and my FB feed does not shut up about EVVILLLL Tories.

    2) Charges are bought against some of the individuals, but people on my FB feed still refer to the 30 cheating EVVILLLL Tories.

    3) No charges are bought, but by FB feed says they were guilty and it's all a cover-up by EVVILLLL Tories.

    This generally makes my FB feed unreadable at times.

    It'll be interesting to see if the rumours involving the charges posted on here in the last week were accurate.

    Sounds like we've got the same friends.......
    I'm baffled at how many otherwise reasonable Facebook friends of mine have revealed themselves as enthusiastic disciples of Corbyn.
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    JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 39,091
    Damn the CPS.

    Before 11.00, I now need to get my son to nursery, do a run, prepare dinner for later, and pick up some plants for the garden.

    (I'm going out for a while this afternoon, so need to get all the chores done early).
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    foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    Jonathan said:

    This is one of those threads where you really can't/shouldn't say anything on topic.

    (Surprised we're not covering May's landmark One Show interview in more depth)

    As ever, Jess Phillips can be relied upon:

    https://twitter.com/jessphillips/status/862069863090728960

    May is David Brent in lizard form.
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    JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 39,091

    Jonathan said:

    This is one of those threads where you really can't/shouldn't say anything on topic.

    (Surprised we're not covering May's landmark One Show interview in more depth)

    Well, we can say they're all innocent. ;)
    Perhaps they are.
    Indeed. I'm sort-of expecting it to be a case where infrequently used laws and regulations are not exactly fit for purpose. P'haps.
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    Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 55,680
    Jonathan said:

    This is one of those threads where you really can't/shouldn't say anything on topic.

    (Surprised we're not covering May's landmark One Show interview in more depth)

    Like Philip, I always take the bins out in my marriage as well.
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    theakestheakes Posts: 842
    It will be nothing, the CPS do not want to be seen interfering in an election and if I recall a Lib Dem official is still under police investigation over something similair, ot has that resolved..
    Hopefully the whole business will lead to much closer control of election expenditure including limiting as it happens, how much parties can raise in total.
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    Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 55,680

    So here are some alternatives:

    1) Charges are bought against all 30 individuals and my FB feed does not shut up about EVVILLLL Tories.

    2) Charges are bought against some of the individuals, but people on my FB feed still refer to the 30 cheating EVVILLLL Tories.

    3) No charges are bought, but by FB feed says they were guilty and it's all a cover-up by EVVILLLL Tories.

    This generally makes my FB feed unreadable at times.

    It'll be interesting to see if the rumours involving the charges posted on here in the last week were accurate.

    (4) deactivate your FB account for the next 5 weeks

    You won't miss much.
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    DavidLDavidL Posts: 51,404
    edited May 2017
    I think this is a sensible way for the CPS to do things and it seems likely that at least 1 sitting MP will have to consider their position today. Of course, as Carmichael showed in our Election Court farce here in Scotland, a conviction is by no means assured by the bringing of charges and anyone who does stand down and is acquitted is going to feel highly aggrieved.
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    DavidLDavidL Posts: 51,404

    So here are some alternatives:

    1) Charges are bought against all 30 individuals and my FB feed does not shut up about EVVILLLL Tories.

    2) Charges are bought against some of the individuals, but people on my FB feed still refer to the 30 cheating EVVILLLL Tories.

    3) No charges are bought, but by FB feed says they were guilty and it's all a cover-up by EVVILLLL Tories.

    This generally makes my FB feed unreadable at times.

    It'll be interesting to see if the rumours involving the charges posted on here in the last week were accurate.

    (4) deactivate your FB account for the next 5 weeks

    You won't miss much.
    Only 5 weeks? Why do people have these things at all?
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    RogerRoger Posts: 18,904
    edited May 2017
    I've no idea what limits there are on expenses or even why there are limits. I suspect this story will be of limited interest to anyone other tha MPs and their agents unless of course some well know Tories end up in jail.

    In other news apparently Pogba's agent made £41 million from his transfer. Not bad work if you can get it
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    ydoethurydoethur Posts: 67,452

    Damn the CPS.

    Before 11.00, I now need to get my son to nursery, do a run, prepare dinner for later, and pick up some plants for the garden.

    (I'm going out for a while this afternoon, so need to get all the chores done early).

    Note to self - Never skim read PB on the go.

    I now have a surreal mental image involving the good Mr Jessop and a nun.
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    JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 39,091
    DavidL said:

    So here are some alternatives:

    1) Charges are bought against all 30 individuals and my FB feed does not shut up about EVVILLLL Tories.

    2) Charges are bought against some of the individuals, but people on my FB feed still refer to the 30 cheating EVVILLLL Tories.

    3) No charges are bought, but by FB feed says they were guilty and it's all a cover-up by EVVILLLL Tories.

    This generally makes my FB feed unreadable at times.

    It'll be interesting to see if the rumours involving the charges posted on here in the last week were accurate.

    (4) deactivate your FB account for the next 5 weeks

    You won't miss much.
    Only 5 weeks? Why do people have these things at all?
    To defend FB a little, it's useful to keep in contact with family and friends who are spread around the country and world and to see what they're doing. There can also be some useful and interesting groups to join.

    Then again, one of Mrs J's ex-colleagues is addicted to it: whenever he goes out he puts where he is on an FB status, and even photographs the food in pubs and posts the pics.
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    DavidLDavidL Posts: 51,404
    Roger said:

    I've no idea what limits there are on expenses or even why there are limits. I suspect this story will be of limited interest to anyone other tha MPs and their agents unless of course some well know Tories end up in jail.

    In other news apparently Pogba's agent made £41 million from his transfer. Not bad work if you can get it

    And Juve are obviously missing him so much by last night's performance. The economics of top level football are very hard to comprehend.
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    JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 39,091
    ydoethur said:

    Damn the CPS.

    Before 11.00, I now need to get my son to nursery, do a run, prepare dinner for later, and pick up some plants for the garden.

    (I'm going out for a while this afternoon, so need to get all the chores done early).

    Note to self - Never skim read PB on the go.

    I now have a surreal mental image involving the good Mr Jessop and a nun.
    LOL.

    But who's the 'good' Mr Jessop?
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    JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 39,091
    DavidL said:

    Roger said:

    I've no idea what limits there are on expenses or even why there are limits. I suspect this story will be of limited interest to anyone other tha MPs and their agents unless of course some well know Tories end up in jail.

    In other news apparently Pogba's agent made £41 million from his transfer. Not bad work if you can get it

    And Juve are obviously missing him so much by last night's performance. The economics of top level football are very hard to comprehend.
    That's because it's utterly and totally, irredeemably corrupt.

    As an aside, many years ago Radio 5 had a discussion on corruption in football. On the panel they had an ex-footballer, a manager, and an agent. They all agreed that there was absolutely no corruption at all ...
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    ydoethurydoethur Posts: 67,452
    edited May 2017

    ydoethur said:

    Damn the CPS.

    Before 11.00, I now need to get my son to nursery, do a run, prepare dinner for later, and pick up some plants for the garden.

    (I'm going out for a while this afternoon, so need to get all the chores done early).

    Note to self - Never skim read PB on the go.

    I now have a surreal mental image involving the good Mr Jessop and a nun.
    LOL.

    But who's the 'good' Mr Jessop?
    Well, you said it... :smiley:

    Edit - perhaps he's a creature of habit?
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    bobajobPBbobajobPB Posts: 1,042
    DavidL said:

    So here are some alternatives:

    1) Charges are bought against all 30 individuals and my FB feed does not shut up about EVVILLLL Tories.

    2) Charges are bought against some of the individuals, but people on my FB feed still refer to the 30 cheating EVVILLLL Tories.

    3) No charges are bought, but by FB feed says they were guilty and it's all a cover-up by EVVILLLL Tories.

    This generally makes my FB feed unreadable at times.

    It'll be interesting to see if the rumours involving the charges posted on here in the last week were accurate.

    (4) deactivate your FB account for the next 5 weeks

    You won't miss much.
    Only 5 weeks? Why do people have these things at all?
    Good morning, David. Indeed you once again ask the key question. Five/ten years ago I was assured that I would be committing social suicide/isolating myself from the real world/self destruct by declining to sign up to Facebook. I resisted. Many years on I am still a Facebook refusenik. If people want to contact me, they can call or email.
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    FregglesFreggles Posts: 3,486
    bobajobPB said:

    DavidL said:

    So here are some alternatives:

    1) Charges are bought against all 30 individuals and my FB feed does not shut up about EVVILLLL Tories.

    2) Charges are bought against some of the individuals, but people on my FB feed still refer to the 30 cheating EVVILLLL Tories.

    3) No charges are bought, but by FB feed says they were guilty and it's all a cover-up by EVVILLLL Tories.

    This generally makes my FB feed unreadable at times.

    It'll be interesting to see if the rumours involving the charges posted on here in the last week were accurate.

    (4) deactivate your FB account for the next 5 weeks

    You won't miss much.
    Only 5 weeks? Why do people have these things at all?
    Good morning, David. Indeed you once again ask the key question. Five/ten years ago I was assured that I would be committing social suicide/isolating myself from the real world/self destruct by declining to sign up to Facebook. I resisted. Many years on I am still a Facebook refusenik. If people want to contact me, they can call or email.
    Doesn't having 6 PB accounts cancel that out though?
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    SouthamObserverSouthamObserver Posts: 38,978
    I have never had a conversation on this subject with a single person that I know. In fact, I don't think I have ever heard anyone mention it. The MP expenses story broke at the perfect time - just after the crash while the world was in turmoil, everyone felt vulnerable and the Labour government was pretty much a busted flush that everyone knew was on its way out. That's why it got so much traction. None of those circumstances exist now. Whatever happens, it will make no difference to anything except to the careers and personal lives of anyone affected.
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    RogerRoger Posts: 18,904
    edited May 2017
    FPT.OT. When I was an assistant photographer I had to take something to Red Star which was a parcel service run by British Rail.

    I walked into a scruffy office with a counter and on the other side was a man in uniform sitting on a wooden chair reading a newspaper. He glanced up and saw me with my parcel and went back to his fag and his newspaper. After several minutes he carefully folded his paper stood up and said "Is this what you're sending....."

    I was an ardent lefty back then and I loathed the Tories but I don't want to go back to those days and I'm afraid that's what Corbyn spells to me and many who were alive in the 70's.

    His time has gone and though I sympathise with his ideals the thought of service and the related problems with the unions in those days makes me shiver.
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    AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670
    The letter recommending Comey's firing from Rosenstein is spectacular.
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    ParistondaParistonda Posts: 1,819
    The Guardian - Back to this year’s bus timetable, and Labour’s has hit the road. The smooth running of the service was delayed by questions over Jeremy Corbyn’s determination to stay on as leader even if Labour does not win the election. He told the BBC that, contrary to a BuzzFeed report, he hadn’t said that:

    "No, I told them I would carry on as leader because we’ll have won the election by then."

    Tricky for him, then, that BuzzFeed had a recording of the interview in which Corbyn said what BuzzFeed said he had said. BuzzFeed reports it has now been told its access to Labour campaign events will be “limited”.


    Looks like Corbyn is reading from the Trump playbook. Says one thing, then immediately contradicts himself, and when picked up on it, simply starts banning media outlets - he will soon be crying Fake News nonstop on the campaign (or maybe he has already started that?).
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    CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 59,791
    Roger said:

    I don't want to go back to those days and I'm afraid that's what Corbyn spells to me and many who were alive in the 70's.

    Which would account for the relative ratings of May & Osborne among the young & older.....
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    JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 39,091
    Alistair said:

    The letter recommending Comey's firing from Rosenstein is spectacular.

    To save people having to search:
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-39866767
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    DavidLDavidL Posts: 51,404
    bobajobPB said:

    DavidL said:

    So here are some alternatives:

    1) Charges are bought against all 30 individuals and my FB feed does not shut up about EVVILLLL Tories.

    2) Charges are bought against some of the individuals, but people on my FB feed still refer to the 30 cheating EVVILLLL Tories.

    3) No charges are bought, but by FB feed says they were guilty and it's all a cover-up by EVVILLLL Tories.

    This generally makes my FB feed unreadable at times.

    It'll be interesting to see if the rumours involving the charges posted on here in the last week were accurate.

    (4) deactivate your FB account for the next 5 weeks

    You won't miss much.
    Only 5 weeks? Why do people have these things at all?
    Good morning, David. Indeed you once again ask the key question. Five/ten years ago I was assured that I would be committing social suicide/isolating myself from the real world/self destruct by declining to sign up to Facebook. I resisted. Many years on I am still a Facebook refusenik. If people want to contact me, they can call or email.
    Or chat to you on PB at your convenience.

    I had a court case last Friday where FB entries have probably won it for us. They came from the other side, inevitably.
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    foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    bobajobPB said:

    DavidL said:

    So here are some alternatives:

    1) Charges are bought against all 30 individuals and my FB feed does not shut up about EVVILLLL Tories.

    2) Charges are bought against some of the individuals, but people on my FB feed still refer to the 30 cheating EVVILLLL Tories.

    3) No charges are bought, but by FB feed says they were guilty and it's all a cover-up by EVVILLLL Tories.

    This generally makes my FB feed unreadable at times.

    It'll be interesting to see if the rumours involving the charges posted on here in the last week were accurate.

    (4) deactivate your FB account for the next 5 weeks

    You won't miss much.
    Only 5 weeks? Why do people have these things at all?
    Good morning, David. Indeed you once again ask the key question. Five/ten years ago I was assured that I would be committing social suicide/isolating myself from the real world/self destruct by declining to sign up to Facebook. I resisted. Many years on I am still a Facebook refusenik. If people want to contact me, they can call or email.
    I joined FB when my old Med School year was organising a 20 year reunion. FB came in very handy for that. In my line of work there is a lot of staff turnover and moving around the country. FB is fairly handy for staying in vague contact.

    There are a few heavy users, but many who hardly ever post. I think probably the number of active users is a small fraction of total accounts.
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    AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340
    Do people really talk much about politics on Facebook? I've had one Scouse friend and his partner each declare that everyone should vote Labour, one post of the photoshop of Theresa May smoking a fag and drinking a can of beer while eating chips (voting intention unknown) and one person recommending we vote for Rick Astley because he'll never let you down, hurt you, tell a lie or desert you.

    Otherwise, nothing other than the usual heartwarming stories of dogs recognising their long lost owners and inspirational maxims for women of a certain age.
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    AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340
    Facebook has, however, been very useful for me over the last few months keeping friends and family updated. It has a value.
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    RogerRoger Posts: 18,904
    DavidL said:

    Roger said:

    I've no idea what limits there are on expenses or even why there are limits. I suspect this story will be of limited interest to anyone other tha MPs and their agents unless of course some well know Tories end up in jail.

    In other news apparently Pogba's agent made £41 million from his transfer. Not bad work if you can get it

    And Juve are obviously missing him so much by last night's performance. The economics of top level football are very hard to comprehend.
    Disappointing isn't he? Though it's hard to tell in a Maurinho team. He'd play Messi at full back
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    DavidLDavidL Posts: 51,404

    I have never had a conversation on this subject with a single person that I know. In fact, I don't think I have ever heard anyone mention it. The MP expenses story broke at the perfect time - just after the crash while the world was in turmoil, everyone felt vulnerable and the Labour government was pretty much a busted flush that everyone knew was on its way out. That's why it got so much traction. None of those circumstances exist now. Whatever happens, it will make no difference to anything except to the careers and personal lives of anyone affected.

    I think the difference with the MPs expenses was that that was personal greed, stealing from the taxpayer to line their own pockets. It is really disgraceful more of them didn't go to jail for it. In contrast these are somewhat pettifogging rules that most people don't even know exist let alone understand with no obvious personal benefit at all (except getting elected potentially but the causation of that is extremely uncertain).

    The next Parliament is going to be seriously busy with Brexit related legislation but I do hope they find time to revisit this.
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    SandpitSandpit Posts: 49,950
    theakes said:

    It will be nothing, the CPS do not want to be seen interfering in an election and if I recall a Lib Dem official is still under police investigation over something similair, ot has that resolved..
    Hopefully the whole business will lead to much closer control of election expenditure including limiting as it happens, how much parties can raise in total.

    Whether or not people are charged today, there's clearly the need for the Electoral Commmission to clarify the rules about what constitutes local and notional spending. All large parties have been fined over their expenses at the 2015 election.

    The job of an election agent for the next few weeks is going to be like whoever gets to hand out the Oscars next year.
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    tlg86tlg86 Posts: 25,208

    Do people really talk much about politics on Facebook? I've had one Scouse friend and his partner each declare that everyone should vote Labour, one post of the photoshop of Theresa May smoking a fag and drinking a can of beer while eating chips (voting intention unknown) and one person recommending we vote for Rick Astley because he'll never let you down, hurt you, tell a lie or desert you.

    Otherwise, nothing other than the usual heartwarming stories of dogs recognising their long lost owners and inspirational maxims for women of a certain age.

    Two old school friends of mine are Corbynistas. It makes for entertaining reading. God only knows how they'll react at 10pm on June 8.
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    ydoethurydoethur Posts: 67,452
    Alistair said:

    The letter recommending Comey's firing from Rosenstein is spectacular.

    Wow. You weren't kidding. Thank you @JosiasJessop for the link.

    That being said:

    (1) I think Comey was in an impossible situation where there was no 'good' choice;

    (2) No matter what he had or had not done, and separately from the question of whether the actual decision was right, Trump's method of firing him - by a note through a third party - was utterly wrong and completely reprehensible. It should have been in a personal meeting. If that was the way he ran his businesses no wonder they kept getting into trouble.
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    SandpitSandpit Posts: 49,950

    Do people really talk much about politics on Facebook? I've had one Scouse friend and his partner each declare that everyone should vote Labour, one post of the photoshop of Theresa May smoking a fag and drinking a can of beer while eating chips (voting intention unknown) and one person recommending we vote for Rick Astley because he'll never let you down, hurt you, tell a lie or desert you.

    Otherwise, nothing other than the usual heartwarming stories of dogs recognising their long lost owners and inspirational maxims for women of a certain age.

    That Rick Astley voter was Mr Eagles, wasn't it?
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    DavidLDavidL Posts: 51,404

    Do people really talk much about politics on Facebook? I've had one Scouse friend and his partner each declare that everyone should vote Labour, one post of the photoshop of Theresa May smoking a fag and drinking a can of beer while eating chips (voting intention unknown) and one person recommending we vote for Rick Astley because he'll never let you down, hurt you, tell a lie or desert you.

    Otherwise, nothing other than the usual heartwarming stories of dogs recognising their long lost owners and inspirational maxims for women of a certain age.

    You're not tempting me here Alastair.
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    RogerRoger Posts: 18,904

    Roger said:

    I don't want to go back to those days and I'm afraid that's what Corbyn spells to me and many who were alive in the 70's.

    Which would account for the relative ratings of May & Osborne among the young & older.....
    Are Osborne's ratings high among younger tories?
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    AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670

    Alistair said:

    The letter recommending Comey's firing from Rosenstein is spectacular.

    To save people having to search:
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-39866767
    Sorry, wrangling a toddler failed to paste the link.
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    Fysics_TeacherFysics_Teacher Posts: 6,060
    DavidL said:

    bobajobPB said:

    DavidL said:

    So here are some alternatives:

    1) Charges are bought against all 30 individuals and my FB feed does not shut up about EVVILLLL Tories.

    2) Charges are bought against some of the individuals, but people on my FB feed still refer to the 30 cheating EVVILLLL Tories.

    3) No charges are bought, but by FB feed says they were guilty and it's all a cover-up by EVVILLLL Tories.

    This generally makes my FB feed unreadable at times.

    It'll be interesting to see if the rumours involving the charges posted on here in the last week were accurate.

    (4) deactivate your FB account for the next 5 weeks

    You won't miss much.
    Only 5 weeks? Why do people have these things at all?
    Good morning, David. Indeed you once again ask the key question. Five/ten years ago I was assured that I would be committing social suicide/isolating myself from the real world/self destruct by declining to sign up to Facebook. I resisted. Many years on I am still a Facebook refusenik. If people want to contact me, they can call or email.
    Or chat to you on PB at your convenience.

    I had a court case last Friday where FB entries have probably won it for us. They came from the other side, inevitably.
    I remember being told, many years ago, never send anything in an e-mail that you don't want to hear read out in open court.
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    ydoethurydoethur Posts: 67,452

    DavidL said:

    bobajobPB said:

    DavidL said:

    So here are some alternatives:

    1) Charges are bought against all 30 individuals and my FB feed does not shut up about EVVILLLL Tories.

    2) Charges are bought against some of the individuals, but people on my FB feed still refer to the 30 cheating EVVILLLL Tories.

    3) No charges are bought, but by FB feed says they were guilty and it's all a cover-up by EVVILLLL Tories.

    This generally makes my FB feed unreadable at times.

    It'll be interesting to see if the rumours involving the charges posted on here in the last week were accurate.

    (4) deactivate your FB account for the next 5 weeks

    You won't miss much.
    Only 5 weeks? Why do people have these things at all?
    Good morning, David. Indeed you once again ask the key question. Five/ten years ago I was assured that I would be committing social suicide/isolating myself from the real world/self destruct by declining to sign up to Facebook. I resisted. Many years on I am still a Facebook refusenik. If people want to contact me, they can call or email.
    Or chat to you on PB at your convenience.

    I had a court case last Friday where FB entries have probably won it for us. They came from the other side, inevitably.
    I remember being told, many years ago, never send anything in an e-mail that you don't want to hear read out in open court.
    With my students, it's 'never post a photograph online you wouldn't be completely happy to explain to your grandmother.'
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    Fysics_TeacherFysics_Teacher Posts: 6,060

    Facebook has, however, been very useful for me over the last few months keeping friends and family updated. It has a value.

    I originally signed up to Facebook to let people know how I was getting on with various hospital trips rather than sending lots on texts.
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    AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340

    DavidL said:

    bobajobPB said:

    DavidL said:

    So here are some alternatives:

    1) Charges are bought against all 30 individuals and my FB feed does not shut up about EVVILLLL Tories.

    2) Charges are bought against some of the individuals, but people on my FB feed still refer to the 30 cheating EVVILLLL Tories.

    3) No charges are bought, but by FB feed says they were guilty and it's all a cover-up by EVVILLLL Tories.

    This generally makes my FB feed unreadable at times.

    It'll be interesting to see if the rumours involving the charges posted on here in the last week were accurate.

    (4) deactivate your FB account for the next 5 weeks

    You won't miss much.
    Only 5 weeks? Why do people have these things at all?
    Good morning, David. Indeed you once again ask the key question. Five/ten years ago I was assured that I would be committing social suicide/isolating myself from the real world/self destruct by declining to sign up to Facebook. I resisted. Many years on I am still a Facebook refusenik. If people want to contact me, they can call or email.
    Or chat to you on PB at your convenience.

    I had a court case last Friday where FB entries have probably won it for us. They came from the other side, inevitably.
    I remember being told, many years ago, never send anything in an e-mail that you don't want to hear read out in open court.
    A very smart lawyer from another firm tells of how many years ago he advised a client that on a particular point a recent judgment had been "offbeat". A year later that letter was being read in court to the judge who had delivered the original judgment.
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    Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 55,680
    Roger said:

    FPT.OT. When I was an assistant photographer I had to take something to Red Star which was a parcel service run by British Rail.

    I walked into a scruffy office with a counter and on the other side was a man in uniform sitting on a wooden chair reading a newspaper. He glanced up and saw me with my parcel and went back to his fag and his newspaper. After several minutes he carefully folded his paper stood up and said "Is this what you're sending....."

    I was an ardent lefty back then and I loathed the Tories but I don't want to go back to those days and I'm afraid that's what Corbyn spells to me and many who were alive in the 70's.

    His time has gone and though I sympathise with his ideals the thought of service and the related problems with the unions in those days makes me shiver.

    Is this the first Right Wing thing you've ever said, Roger?
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    Scrapheap_as_wasScrapheap_as_was Posts: 10,059
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    Fysics_TeacherFysics_Teacher Posts: 6,060
    ydoethur said:

    DavidL said:

    bobajobPB said:

    DavidL said:

    So here are some alternatives:

    1) Charges are bought against all 30 individuals and my FB feed does not shut up about EVVILLLL Tories.

    2) Charges are bought against some of the individuals, but people on my FB feed still refer to the 30 cheating EVVILLLL Tories.

    3) No charges are bought, but by FB feed says they were guilty and it's all a cover-up by EVVILLLL Tories.

    This generally makes my FB feed unreadable at times.

    It'll be interesting to see if the rumours involving the charges posted on here in the last week were accurate.

    (4) deactivate your FB account for the next 5 weeks

    You won't miss much.
    Only 5 weeks? Why do people have these things at all?
    Good morning, David. Indeed you once again ask the key question. Five/ten years ago I was assured that I would be committing social suicide/isolating myself from the real world/self destruct by declining to sign up to Facebook. I resisted. Many years on I am still a Facebook refusenik. If people want to contact me, they can call or email.
    Or chat to you on PB at your convenience.

    I had a court case last Friday where FB entries have probably won it for us. They came from the other side, inevitably.
    I remember being told, many years ago, never send anything in an e-mail that you don't want to hear read out in open court.
    With my students, it's 'never post a photograph online you wouldn't be completely happy to explain to your grandmother.'
    I think I may steal that one...
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    Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 55,680
    On FB, the Tories keep very quiet (almost universally) but I have 6-8 friends who post Left wing political stuff fairly regularly, and a few apolitical 'centrists' who live in London who certainly dress to the Left, with lots of criticism of the Tories and the NHS etc.

    There is nothing more tedious. Except perhaps babies.
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    SandpitSandpit Posts: 49,950

    DavidL said:

    bobajobPB said:

    DavidL said:

    So here are some alternatives:

    1) Charges are bought against all 30 individuals and my FB feed does not shut up about EVVILLLL Tories.

    2) Charges are bought against some of the individuals, but people on my FB feed still refer to the 30 cheating EVVILLLL Tories.

    3) No charges are bought, but by FB feed says they were guilty and it's all a cover-up by EVVILLLL Tories.

    This generally makes my FB feed unreadable at times.

    It'll be interesting to see if the rumours involving the charges posted on here in the last week were accurate.

    (4) deactivate your FB account for the next 5 weeks

    You won't miss much.
    Only 5 weeks? Why do people have these things at all?
    Good morning, David. Indeed you once again ask the key question. Five/ten years ago I was assured that I would be committing social suicide/isolating myself from the real world/self destruct by declining to sign up to Facebook. I resisted. Many years on I am still a Facebook refusenik. If people want to contact me, they can call or email.
    Or chat to you on PB at your convenience.

    I had a court case last Friday where FB entries have probably won it for us. They came from the other side, inevitably.
    I remember being told, many years ago, never send anything in an e-mail that you don't want to hear read out in open court.
    Yep. Especially when it's posted on someone else's website. The internet has no delete button.

    As I said last week when the Macron hacking story broke, if I were in charge of IT for a political party I'd be seriously looking at dusting off the old conference call equipment and fax machines for the most sensitive conversations. The email server would need to be hiding behind a vpn and the firewall would be run by a 24/7 team of ex-GCHQ and MI6 guys. It's no longer a case of if you're hacked, but when you're hacked.
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    DavidLDavidL Posts: 51,404
    Alistair said:

    The letter recommending Comey's firing from Rosenstein is spectacular.

    It certainly is. You rarely see something so blunt and concise. I take @ydoethur's point about Trump not handling it well but that is a compelling argument.
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    I'm predicting a damp squib at 11AM
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    FregglesFreggles Posts: 3,486

    Do people really talk much about politics on Facebook? I've had one Scouse friend and his partner each declare that everyone should vote Labour, one post of the photoshop of Theresa May smoking a fag and drinking a can of beer while eating chips (voting intention unknown) and one person recommending we vote for Rick Astley because he'll never let you down, hurt you, tell a lie or desert you.

    Otherwise, nothing other than the usual heartwarming stories of dogs recognising their long lost owners and inspirational maxims for women of a certain age.

    If only there was a pithy two-word phrase that would aptly describe most content on Facebook, that describes its superficial, low value nature.
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    SandpitSandpit Posts: 49,950
    ydoethur said:

    DavidL said:

    bobajobPB said:

    DavidL said:

    So here are some alternatives:

    1) Charges are bought against all 30 individuals and my FB feed does not shut up about EVVILLLL Tories.

    2) Charges are bought against some of the individuals, but people on my FB feed still refer to the 30 cheating EVVILLLL Tories.

    3) No charges are bought, but by FB feed says they were guilty and it's all a cover-up by EVVILLLL Tories.

    This generally makes my FB feed unreadable at times.

    It'll be interesting to see if the rumours involving the charges posted on here in the last week were accurate.

    (4) deactivate your FB account for the next 5 weeks

    You won't miss much.
    Only 5 weeks? Why do people have these things at all?
    Good morning, David. Indeed you once again ask the key question. Five/ten years ago I was assured that I would be committing social suicide/isolating myself from the real world/self destruct by declining to sign up to Facebook. I resisted. Many years on I am still a Facebook refusenik. If people want to contact me, they can call or email.
    Or chat to you on PB at your convenience.

    I had a court case last Friday where FB entries have probably won it for us. They came from the other side, inevitably.
    I remember being told, many years ago, never send anything in an e-mail that you don't want to hear read out in open court.
    With my students, it's 'never post a photograph online you wouldn't be completely happy to explain to your grandmother.'
    It's actually more than that, it's "Never allow a photograph to be taken, which you wouldn't be happy explaining to your grandmother".
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    Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,013
    Good morning, everyone.

    Does this become a non-issue? If no charges are brought, nothing to see. If charges are brought, it's sub judice.
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    CookieCookie Posts: 11,505
    Is that MichaelCrick in that photo? He looks like John Shuttleworth.
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    NigelbNigelb Posts: 62,844

    Roger said:

    FPT.OT. When I was an assistant photographer I had to take something to Red Star which was a parcel service run by British Rail.

    I walked into a scruffy office with a counter and on the other side was a man in uniform sitting on a wooden chair reading a newspaper. He glanced up and saw me with my parcel and went back to his fag and his newspaper. After several minutes he carefully folded his paper stood up and said "Is this what you're sending....."

    I was an ardent lefty back then and I loathed the Tories but I don't want to go back to those days and I'm afraid that's what Corbyn spells to me and many who were alive in the 70's.

    His time has gone and though I sympathise with his ideals the thought of service and the related problems with the unions in those days makes me shiver.

    Is this the first Right Wing thing you've ever said, Roger?
    Is it particularly right wing to object to such behaviour ? Outside of the Corbyn tendency, I would have thought there is very little desire to return to the 70s.

    I was more amused by the "back then", as in "I was an ardent lefty back then and I loathed the Tories"...
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    DavidLDavidL Posts: 51,404

    DavidL said:

    bobajobPB said:

    DavidL said:

    So here are some alternatives:

    1) Charges are bought against all 30 individuals and my FB feed does not shut up about EVVILLLL Tories.

    2) Charges are bought against some of the individuals, but people on my FB feed still refer to the 30 cheating EVVILLLL Tories.

    3) No charges are bought, but by FB feed says they were guilty and it's all a cover-up by EVVILLLL Tories.

    This generally makes my FB feed unreadable at times.

    It'll be interesting to see if the rumours involving the charges posted on here in the last week were accurate.

    (4) deactivate your FB account for the next 5 weeks

    You won't miss much.
    Only 5 weeks? Why do people have these things at all?
    Good morning, David. Indeed you once again ask the key question. Five/ten years ago I was assured that I would be committing social suicide/isolating myself from the real world/self destruct by declining to sign up to Facebook. I resisted. Many years on I am still a Facebook refusenik. If people want to contact me, they can call or email.
    Or chat to you on PB at your convenience.

    I had a court case last Friday where FB entries have probably won it for us. They came from the other side, inevitably.
    I remember being told, many years ago, never send anything in an e-mail that you don't want to hear read out in open court.
    I think it is the instantaneous and spontaneous nature of the response which makes people so unguarded. With an old fashioned letter you have several points to reflect before it goes in the box.

    E-mails form a major strand of the evidence in most commercial litigations these day and very rarely are they to the advantage of the sender.
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    CookieCookie Posts: 11,505
    I joined facebook in 2007, and, later that year, connected with a girl I hadn't seen I was at university 13 years previously. 18 months later I married her. It has its uses.
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    RobDRobD Posts: 58,994

    Good morning, everyone.

    Does this become a non-issue? If no charges are brought, nothing to see. If charges are brought, it's sub judice.

    Asking for a friend.. what's the difference between sub judice, judice, and super judice? :D:p
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    FregglesFreggles Posts: 3,486
    edited May 2017

    I'm predicting a damp squib at 11AM

    If we go by the rule that nothing is ever as good for left liberals as expected, I'd say you're right. And that rule has been shown accurate since about 2006
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    Scrapheap_as_wasScrapheap_as_was Posts: 10,059

    I'm predicting a damp squib at 11AM

    Crick's mis-representing of how journalists were supposedly telling the Tories their questions in advance in order to be picked seemingly was because he wasn't being picked.....
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    NemtynakhtNemtynakht Posts: 2,311

    On FB, the Tories keep very quiet (almost universally) but I have 6-8 friends who post Left wing political stuff fairly regularly, and a few apolitical 'centrists' who live in London who certainly dress to the Left, with lots of criticism of the Tories and the NHS etc.

    There is nothing more tedious. Except perhaps babies.

    Yes I have a number of very left wing friends who post all sorts of extreme stuff. There is absolutely no point commenting as I have a few times, as you will then be subject to abuse a bit like the momentum bunch - you either agree or you must be a Tory or UKIP. There are also the public sector bores who incessantly post that their part of the public sector does not receive enough money, aside from that I don't see any real political comments, and I must assume that if the opinion polls are right then rest are voting conservative in large numbers.
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    foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    Freggles said:

    I'm predicting a damp squib at 11AM

    If we go by the rule that nothing is ever as good for left liberals as expected, I'd say you're right. And that rule has been shown accurate since about 2006
    Apart from French exit polls!
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    CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 59,791
    Roger said:

    Roger said:

    I don't want to go back to those days and I'm afraid that's what Corbyn spells to me and many who were alive in the 70's.

    Which would account for the relative ratings of May & Osborne among the young & older.....
    Are Osborne's ratings high among younger tories?
    Sorry - typo - I meant Corbyn.

    IIRC Osborne's ratings were uniformly dire......
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    RogerRoger Posts: 18,904

    Roger said:

    FPT.OT. When I was an assistant photographer I had to take something to Red Star which was a parcel service run by British Rail.

    I walked into a scruffy office with a counter and on the other side was a man in uniform sitting on a wooden chair reading a newspaper. He glanced up and saw me with my parcel and went back to his fag and his newspaper. After several minutes he carefully folded his paper stood up and said "Is this what you're sending....."

    I was an ardent lefty back then and I loathed the Tories but I don't want to go back to those days and I'm afraid that's what Corbyn spells to me and many who were alive in the 70's.

    His time has gone and though I sympathise with his ideals the thought of service and the related problems with the unions in those days makes me shiver.

    Is this the first Right Wing thing you've ever said, Roger?
    Nick P had written a piece on why the McDonnell amendment was worth voting for and it made me reflect on why Corbyn is unelectable even for a lefty.

    You could never call the CONSERVATIVE party progressive but in spite of them we've moved on since Corbyn's nirvana.
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    CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 59,791

    I'm predicting a damp squib at 11AM

    It's a rum do - it seems rules were bent beyond where they should bend - but sticking it to the local parties/candidates seems a tall order
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    SouthamObserverSouthamObserver Posts: 38,978
    ydoethur said:

    Alistair said:

    The letter recommending Comey's firing from Rosenstein is spectacular.

    Wow. You weren't kidding. Thank you @JosiasJessop for the link.

    That being said:

    (1) I think Comey was in an impossible situation where there was no 'good' choice;

    (2) No matter what he had or had not done, and separately from the question of whether the actual decision was right, Trump's method of firing him - by a note through a third party - was utterly wrong and completely reprehensible. It should have been in a personal meeting. If that was the way he ran his businesses no wonder they kept getting into trouble.

    It's what happens next that matters now. If Trump is seen to be trying to shout down any kind of investigations into links between his people and Russia, Republicans will have to start asking themselves some very serious questions about their willingness to risk electoral meltdown to save their president.

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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,172
    If any action is to occur it will most likely be in Thanet South so might Farage reconsider not standing or Aaron Babks throw his hat into the ring in one of the few seats left where UKIP will still get a sizeable vote?
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    CD13CD13 Posts: 6,351
    Mr Meeks,

    "Otherwise, nothing other than the usual heartwarming stories of dogs recognising their long lost owners and inspirational maxims for women of a certain age."

    Thank God for that. I though it was only my FB page that was cluttered with stuff like that. At least, it stops me looking at it too much.
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    SouthamObserverSouthamObserver Posts: 38,978

    On FB, the Tories keep very quiet (almost universally) but I have 6-8 friends who post Left wing political stuff fairly regularly, and a few apolitical 'centrists' who live in London who certainly dress to the Left, with lots of criticism of the Tories and the NHS etc.

    There is nothing more tedious. Except perhaps babies.

    Yes I have a number of very left wing friends who post all sorts of extreme stuff. There is absolutely no point commenting as I have a few times, as you will then be subject to abuse a bit like the momentum bunch - you either agree or you must be a Tory or UKIP. There are also the public sector bores who incessantly post that their part of the public sector does not receive enough money, aside from that I don't see any real political comments, and I must assume that if the opinion polls are right then rest are voting conservative in large numbers.

    I am not on Facebook, so don't totally understand how it works; but if people are posting a load of stuff that you don't want to read and are also abusive, can't you just unfollow them?

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    DavidLDavidL Posts: 51,404
    RobD said:

    Good morning, everyone.

    Does this become a non-issue? If no charges are brought, nothing to see. If charges are brought, it's sub judice.

    Asking for a friend.. what's the difference between sub judice, judice, and super judice? :D:p
    Pretty sure super judice was Susan Dey on the desk in LA law.

    Time for my shower.
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    NemtynakhtNemtynakht Posts: 2,311
    DavidL said:

    DavidL said:

    bobajobPB said:

    DavidL said:

    So here are some alternatives:

    1) Charges are bought against all 30 individuals and my FB feed does not shut up about EVVILLLL Tories.

    2) Charges are bought against some of the individuals, but people on my FB feed still refer to the 30 cheating EVVILLLL Tories.

    3) No charges are bought, but by FB feed says they were guilty and it's all a cover-up by EVVILLLL Tories.

    This generally makes my FB feed unreadable at times.

    It'll be interesting to see if the rumours involving the charges posted on here in the last week were accurate.

    (4) deactivate your FB account for the next 5 weeks

    You won't miss much.
    Only 5 weeks? Why do people have these things at all?
    Good morning, David. Indeed you once again ask the key question. Five/ten years ago I was assured that I would be committing social suicide/isolating myself from the real world/self destruct by declining to sign up to Facebook. I resisted. Many years on I am still a Facebook refusenik. If people want to contact me, they can call or email.
    Or chat to you on PB at your convenience.

    I had a court case last Friday where FB entries have probably won it for us. They came from the other side, inevitably.
    I remember being told, many years ago, never send anything in an e-mail that you don't want to hear read out in open court.
    I think it is the instantaneous and spontaneous nature of the response which makes people so unguarded. With an old fashioned letter you have several points to reflect before it goes in the box.

    E-mails form a major strand of the evidence in most commercial litigations these day and very rarely are they to the advantage of the sender.
    My old boss had to read out in court an exchange between one of my colleagues and a contractor about getting back from holiday to start on a job. There was a whole email conversation about wearing speedos on the beach. He wasn't best pleased even though he won.

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    CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 59,791
    Complaints about 'Holyrood Cuts' incoming:

    Conservatives and independents to run Scottish Borders Council

    http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-scotland-south-scotland-39856649
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    foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    Sandpit said:

    DavidL said:

    bobajobPB said:

    DavidL said:

    So here are some alternatives:

    1) Charges are bought against all 30 individuals and my FB feed does not shut up about EVVILLLL Tories.

    2) Charges are bought against some of the individuals, but people on my FB feed still refer to the 30 cheating EVVILLLL Tories.

    3) No charges are bought, but by FB feed says they were guilty and it's all a cover-up by EVVILLLL Tories.

    This generally makes my FB feed unreadable at times.

    It'll be interesting to see if the rumours involving the charges posted on here in the last week were accurate.

    (4) deactivate your FB account for the next 5 weeks

    You won't miss much.
    Only 5 weeks? Why do people have these things at all?
    Good morning, David. Indeed you once again ask the key question. Five/ten years ago I was assured that I would be committing social suicide/isolating myself from the real world/self destruct by declining to sign up to Facebook. I resisted. Many years on I am still a Facebook refusenik. If people want to contact me, they can call or email.
    Or chat to you on PB at your convenience.

    I had a court case last Friday where FB entries have probably won it for us. They came from the other side, inevitably.
    I remember being told, many years ago, never send anything in an e-mail that you don't want to hear read out in open court.
    Yep. Especially when it's posted on someone else's website. The internet has no delete button.

    As I said last week when the Macron hacking story broke, if I were in charge of IT for a political party I'd be seriously looking at dusting off the old conference call equipment and fax machines for the most sensitive conversations. The email server would need to be hiding behind a vpn and the firewall would be run by a 24/7 team of ex-GCHQ and MI6 guys. It's no longer a case of if you're hacked, but when you're hacked.
    In a magnificent example of incompetence, human beings have decided that constant surveillance is not sonething from 1984 to be feared, but rather something to be embraced.

    Including PB ramblings in that too...
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    notmenotme Posts: 3,293
    I've said it before, but a reminder, there are constabularies who have sent files to the cps when a visit by the battle bus has been recorded as a national expense, and that cost if transferred to the local campaign still keeps the candidate under their spending limit. I can see no situation where such incidents would warrant prosecution.
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,172
    bobajobPB said:

    DavidL said:

    So here are some alternatives:

    1) Charges are bought against all 30 individuals and my FB feed does not shut up about EVVILLLL Tories.

    2) Charges are bought against some of the individuals, but people on my FB feed still refer to the 30 cheating EVVILLLL Tories.

    3) No charges are bought, but by FB feed says they were guilty and it's all a cover-up by EVVILLLL Tories.

    This generally makes my FB feed unreadable at times.

    It'll be interesting to see if the rumours involving the charges posted on here in the last week were accurate.

    (4) deactivate your FB account for the next 5 weeks

    You won't miss much.
    Only 5 weeks? Why do people have these things at all?
    Good morning, David. Indeed you once again ask the key question. Five/ten years ago I was assured that I would be committing social suicide/isolating myself from the real world/self destruct by declining to sign up to Facebook. I resisted. Many years on I am still a Facebook refusenik. If people want to contact me, they can call or email.
    I use Facebook about once or twice a day for 10 minutes at most but without it I would have lost touch with over half my Facebook friends
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 76,002
    What's the difference between Chris Huhne and Craig McKinley ?

    ....

    One's a Conservative, the other is a Liberal Democrat :D !
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    CD13CD13 Posts: 6,351
    Left wing friends tend to be a lot noisier, but it's something you get used to. It is totally ineffective but it keeps them happy. It's also slightly embarrassing as I used to be like that when I was much younger.

    I got better, though.
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    SandpitSandpit Posts: 49,950
    Roger said:

    Roger said:

    FPT.OT. When I was an assistant photographer I had to take something to Red Star which was a parcel service run by British Rail.

    I walked into a scruffy office with a counter and on the other side was a man in uniform sitting on a wooden chair reading a newspaper. He glanced up and saw me with my parcel and went back to his fag and his newspaper. After several minutes he carefully folded his paper stood up and said "Is this what you're sending....."

    I was an ardent lefty back then and I loathed the Tories but I don't want to go back to those days and I'm afraid that's what Corbyn spells to me and many who were alive in the 70's.

    His time has gone and though I sympathise with his ideals the thought of service and the related problems with the unions in those days makes me shiver.

    Is this the first Right Wing thing you've ever said, Roger?
    Nick P had written a piece on why the McDonnell amendment was worth voting for and it made me reflect on why Corbyn is unelectable even for a lefty.

    You could never call the CONSERVATIVE party progressive but in spite of them we've moved on since Corbyn's nirvana.
    Nick's piece was well written, but the only reason the McDonnell amendment is proposed is to make sure there's always a hard-left Corbynite on the leadership ballot, for the hard-left Corbynite £3 members to vote for, over the wishes of the Parliamentary Labour Party.
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    NigelbNigelb Posts: 62,844
    ydoethur said:

    Alistair said:

    The letter recommending Comey's firing from Rosenstein is spectacular.

    Wow. You weren't kidding. Thank you @JosiasJessop for the link.

    That being said:

    (1) I think Comey was in an impossible situation where there was no 'good' choice;

    (2) No matter what he had or had not done, and separately from the question of whether the actual decision was right, Trump's method of firing him - by a note through a third party - was utterly wrong and completely reprehensible. It should have been in a personal meeting. If that was the way he ran his businesses no wonder they kept getting into trouble.
    The letter is pretty stupid in that any principled case for firing the FBI director ought also to address the issues that to do so is almost without precedent, and fire one who is in the process of conducting an investigation into the president's associates utterly beyond any political norms.
    That it doesn't even consider these issues, let alone provide a rationale renders its appeal to "regaining the public trust" utterly ridiculous.

    I'm more inclined to agree with this comment:
    http://www.politico.com/story/2017/05/09/trump-comey-nixon-firing-watergate-238189
    “The rationale is transparently absurd,” Waldman said. “Does anyone actually believe that Trump fired Comey because Comey was unfair to Hillary Clinton during the campaign?
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    FregglesFreggles Posts: 3,486

    On FB, the Tories keep very quiet (almost universally) but I have 6-8 friends who post Left wing political stuff fairly regularly, and a few apolitical 'centrists' who live in London who certainly dress to the Left, with lots of criticism of the Tories and the NHS etc.

    There is nothing more tedious. Except perhaps babies.

    Yes I have a number of very left wing friends who post all sorts of extreme stuff. There is absolutely no point commenting as I have a few times, as you will then be subject to abuse a bit like the momentum bunch - you either agree or you must be a Tory or UKIP. There are also the public sector bores who incessantly post that their part of the public sector does not receive enough money, aside from that I don't see any real political comments, and I must assume that if the opinion polls are right then rest are voting conservative in large numbers.

    I am not on Facebook, so don't totally understand how it works; but if people are posting a load of stuff that you don't want to read and are also abusive, can't you just unfollow them?

    Yes, if you're happy to see nothing from them at all. I have most people unfollowed, at some point I'll miss that some one has got married or had a baby I'm sure.
    One time I decided to re follow everyone as a second chance, that didnt last long
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    ThreeQuidderThreeQuidder Posts: 6,133

    On FB, the Tories keep very quiet (almost universally) but I have 6-8 friends who post Left wing political stuff fairly regularly, and a few apolitical 'centrists' who live in London who certainly dress to the Left, with lots of criticism of the Tories and the NHS etc.

    There is nothing more tedious. Except perhaps babies.

    Yes I have a number of very left wing friends who post all sorts of extreme stuff. There is absolutely no point commenting as I have a few times, as you will then be subject to abuse a bit like the momentum bunch - you either agree or you must be a Tory or UKIP. There are also the public sector bores who incessantly post that their part of the public sector does not receive enough money, aside from that I don't see any real political comments, and I must assume that if the opinion polls are right then rest are voting conservative in large numbers.

    I am not on Facebook, so don't totally understand how it works; but if people are posting a load of stuff that you don't want to read and are also abusive, can't you just unfollow them?

    Yes. I have a rule to unfollow anyone who shares stuff from the Canary. Life is too short.
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    Sean_FSean_F Posts: 35,995

    On FB, the Tories keep very quiet (almost universally) but I have 6-8 friends who post Left wing political stuff fairly regularly, and a few apolitical 'centrists' who live in London who certainly dress to the Left, with lots of criticism of the Tories and the NHS etc.

    There is nothing more tedious. Except perhaps babies.

    One can have some fun, though. I got linked to a thread in which various lefties were going on about Theresa May being a dictator like Erdogan. Naturally, I agreed, and warned them they were in danger of arrest.
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    RogerRoger Posts: 18,904
    That's why we need a new centre left party to represent the liberal elite and bring in legislation to deal with the avocado problem.
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,172

    On FB, the Tories keep very quiet (almost universally) but I have 6-8 friends who post Left wing political stuff fairly regularly, and a few apolitical 'centrists' who live in London who certainly dress to the Left, with lots of criticism of the Tories and the NHS etc.

    There is nothing more tedious. Except perhaps babies.

    Yes I have a number of very left wing friends who post all sorts of extreme stuff. There is absolutely no point commenting as I have a few times, as you will then be subject to abuse a bit like the momentum bunch - you either agree or you must be a Tory or UKIP. There are also the public sector bores who incessantly post that their part of the public sector does not receive enough money, aside from that I don't see any real political comments, and I must assume that if the opinion polls are right then rest are voting conservative in large numbers.

    I am not on Facebook, so don't totally understand how it works; but if people are posting a load of stuff that you don't want to read and are also abusive, can't you just unfollow them?

    Most of Facebook tends to be photos of family and holidays, trips out etc political posting is a minority and on Instagram (also Facebook owned) virtually non existent. It is Twitter where most of the political posts take place
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    mattmatt Posts: 3,789
    DavidL said:

    DavidL said:

    bobajobPB said:

    DavidL said:

    So here are some alternatives:

    1) Charges are bought against all 30 individuals and my FB feed does not shut up about EVVILLLL Tories.

    2) Charges are bought against some of the individuals, but people on my FB feed still refer to the 30 cheating EVVILLLL Tories.

    3) No charges are bought, but by FB feed says they were guilty and it's all a cover-up by EVVILLLL Tories.

    This generally makes my FB feed unreadable at times.

    It'll be interesting to see if the rumours involving the charges posted on here in the last week were accurate.

    (4) deactivate your FB account for the next 5 weeks

    You won't miss much.
    Only 5 weeks? Why do people have these things at all?
    Good morning, David. Indeed you once again ask the key question. Five/ten years ago I was assured that I would be committing social suicide/isolating myself from the real world/self destruct by declining to sign up to Facebook. I resisted. Many years on I am still a Facebook refusenik. If people want to contact me, they can call or email.
    Or chat to you on PB at your convenience.

    I had a court case last Friday where FB entries have probably won it for us. They came from the other side, inevitably.
    I remember being told, many years ago, never send anything in an e-mail that you don't want to hear read out in open court.
    I think it is the instantaneous and spontaneous nature of the response which makes people so unguarded. With an old fashioned letter you have several points to reflect before it goes in the box.

    E-mails form a major strand of the evidence in most commercial litigations these day and very rarely are they to the advantage of the sender.
    I was always taught that for any sensitive email, write it,neelete it, rewrite and reread at least and hour later and preferably overnight.

    Then think about how an arsey barrister or litigation counsel would parse the punctuation. It's a letter not an ephemeral phone call.
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