Mark Stone of Sky who seems to support the EU just said that Macron's choice of 'ode to joy ' to walk to the stage was very strange as it would have angered as many as supported it.
Is this really going to unite France or prove to be divisive within the Country
Well today just happens to be the 193rd anniversary of the premiere performance of Beethoven's ninth.
At CPAC he was talking about 'exciting elections in Europe this year.' It looks like none of them will actually go the way he wants them to when all is said and done.
For someone whose career was built on freeing Britain from the yoke of foreign influence, he spends most of his time sticking his nose into the affairs of other countries.
Mark Stone of Sky who seems to support the EU just said that Macron's choice of 'ode to joy ' to walk to the stage was very strange as it would have angered as many as supported it.
Is this really going to unite France or prove to be divisive within the Country
Brilliant choice of music in that dramatic entrance. They ended by singing La Marseillaise.
The message is simple. I'm French and European. May not be music to many ears in Britain.
Mark Stone of Sky who seems to support the EU just said that Macron's choice of 'ode to joy ' to walk to the stage was very strange as it would have angered as many as supported it.
Is this really going to unite France or prove to be divisive within the Country
Brilliant choice of music in that dramatic entrance. They ended by singing La Marseillaise.
The message is simple. I'm French and European. May not be music to many ears in Britain.
Well for sure I am not French no matter how you cut it
People won't care about this in Britain in the main, but perhaps could lead to a bit of a Lib Dem surge in London. Maybe. Farron is no Macron though.
The oldest enemy of Britain and especially England is France, we tend to do exactly the opposite of what they do eg when they had Mitterand we had Thatcher and Major, when they had Chirac and Sarkozy we had Blair and Brown, when they had Hollande and Macron we had Cameron and May
"Enemy" .......FFS man, we have been Allies against the "bad guys" for over a 100 years! Our last major conflict was the Napoleonic War over 200 years ago.
Vive La France!
We last fought the French in Nov 42 in Operation Torch. There were significant casualties on both sides.
Fascist sympathisers and opportunists are not the real France. The real France is the France that carried on fighting with the Allies until the end - the resistance and the Free French.
Now if you want a bit more of a grey area, try Italy which actually (and understandably) actually did a 180% turn and helped the Allies. Though I am convinced that the vast majority of Italians never wanted to be involved with Germany in the first place (though that could be bias on my part because I love Italy also).
People won't care about this in Britain in the main, but perhaps could lead to a bit of a Lib Dem surge in London. Maybe. Farron is no Macron though.
Sadly I just don't think many people will even notice the french election, fewer still will be sufficiently affected to influence their vote.
It will alter the mood though. An economic liberal, social liberal, advocate of inclusion and unashamedly proud European is now in charge of our nearest neighbour.
I have never been so jealous of the French.
Liberalism in the French context is not the same as liberalism in the UK. There is very little tradition of classic liberalism in French politics. Don't assume that the same word means the same thing in a different context.
What I do find odd is that Macron is on record as saying that he does not think there is any such thing as French culture or even French art. A curious thing for a French politician to say. And how do you "include" people into a country if you do not think there is something for them to be included into.
A country is more than simply a geographical entity.
As Seamus Heaney put it in 2013:
“We are not simply a credit rating or an economy but a history and a culture, a human population rather than a statistical phenomenon.”
Surely that applies - in spades - to France?
The word Liberalism, can and has meant so many different things to different people at different times, Thant it is now best hyphenated i.e. classical liberalism social liberalism. That is partly why the word Libertarianism was created, and some Of us self identify that way rather than just liberal.
I don't know a great deal about Macron, but the way you describe him he is sounding more and more like a Librarian to me.
Obviously the economically liberal AND Socially liberal, but more deeply what you quote him saying about art and culture, suggests he understands individualism on a more fundamental level. But hay I may be wrong.
Mark Stone of Sky who seems to support the EU just said that Macron's choice of 'ode to joy ' to walk to the stage was very strange as it would have angered as many as supported it.
Is this really going to unite France or prove to be divisive within the Country
Brilliant choice of music in that dramatic entrance. They ended by singing La Marseillaise.
The message is simple. I'm French and European. May not be music to many ears in Britain.
France never wanted the UK in the EU in the first place, which is why De Gaulle vetoed UK entry into the EU. There is no love lost between France and the UK and there will be none in the Brexit talks either
People won't care about this in Britain in the main, but perhaps could lead to a bit of a Lib Dem surge in London. Maybe. Farron is no Macron though.
Sadly I just don't think many people will even notice the french election, fewer still will be sufficiently affected to influence their vote.
It will alter the mood though. An economic liberal, social liberal, advocate of inclusion and unashamedly proud European is now in charge of our nearest neighbour.
I have never been so jealous of the French.
Liberalism in the French context is not the same as liberalism in the UK. There is very little tradition of classic liberalism in French politics. Don't assume that the same word means the same thing in a different context.
What I do find odd is that Macron is on record as saying that he does not think there is any such thing as French culture or even French art. A curious thing for a French politician to say. And how do you "include" people into a country if you do not think there is something for them to be included into.
A country is more than simply a geographical entity.
As Seamus Heaney put it in 2013:
“We are not simply a credit rating or an economy but a history and a culture, a human population rather than a statistical phenomenon.”
Surely that applies - in spades - to France?
The word Liberalism, can and has meant so many different things to different people at different times, Thant it is now best hyphenated i.e. classical liberalism social liberalism. That is partly why the word Libertarianism was created, and some Of us self identify that way rather than just liberal.
I don't know a great deal about Macron, but the way you describe him he is sounding more and more like a Librarian to me.
Obviously the economically liberal AND Socially liberal, but more deeply what you quote him saying about art and culture, suggests he understands individualism on a more fundamental level. But hay I may be wrong.
I have to ask: did you mean Librarian or Libertarian?
Liberalism in the French context is not the same as liberalism in the UK. There is very little tradition of classic liberalism in French politics. Don't assume that the same word means the same thing in a different context.
What I do find odd is that Macron is on record as saying that he does not think there is any such thing as French culture or even French art. A curious thing for a French politician to say. And how do you "include" people into a country if you do not think there is something for them to be included into.
A country is more than simply a geographical entity.
As Seamus Heaney put it in 2013:
“We are not simply a credit rating or an economy but a history and a culture, a human population rather than a statistical phenomenon.”
Surely that applies - in spades - to France?
The context for his comments was against claims to French culture being used to divide people from each other. He was promoting values of multiculturalism that are somewhat unfashionable in these shores now. I found the last debate between Le Pen and Macron fascinating because despite the insults, there was a real battle of visions between the two candidates. This wasn't politicians manufacturing differences. Anyway, here's the full quote:
«You can't simply place our culture under house arrest. Then you wouldn't have a culture of all sorts. You wouldn't have this wonderful French wealth because you would have to deny a part of it. In any case there isn't a French culture. There is culture in France. A culture that is diverse and is multifaceted. I don't want to exclude particular authors, musicians and artists on the grounds that they come from somewhere else.»
Mark Stone of Sky who seems to support the EU just said that Macron's choice of 'ode to joy ' to walk to the stage was very strange as it would have angered as many as supported it.
Is this really going to unite France or prove to be divisive within the Country
Brilliant choice of music in that dramatic entrance. They ended by singing La arrangement The message is simple. I'm French and European. May not be music to many ears in Britain.
I'm British and European.
Just as I don't have to vote Tory to be a British patriot I don't have to be in favour of the EU to be a proud European.
Only the small-minded or the illiberal think that a country or continent can only be represented by one particular political party or political/bureaucratic arrangement.
Some of these alt-righters/Trumpers in America are not TOO happy with tonight's results.
That only increases my pleasure at Macron's victory even more.
Yep. Hilarious to see these alt-righters in meltdown. We've got our elections next month and the German elections coming in September. Let's hope the trend of sensible election results keeps going. Corbyn and his merry gang need to be roundly defeated, and his stupid tweet that doesn't even congratulate Macron tells you all you need to know about him. Hopefully UKIP's downtard trend will continue as well.
Wishing Merkel best of luck in Germany too.
Will UKIP even keep a deposit anywhere?
Yes. Boston & Skegness, Professor Nuttall will bust your bet with @isam. People will know its safe to vote kipper there as Labour have less than zero chance there.
Next.
Hartlepool too, surely.
Yep they'll keep deposit there but the Tories will take enough of the vote to win.
Do you want to price up ukip under over 15% in Thurrock? Or Dagenham?
No lol I think you're definitely on the right side of that bet :>
@foxinsoxuk seems confident he is on the right side of it... but wont up the stakes. I will increase them by any amount he likes, and the offer is open to everybody else on the site
What are the terms of the bet? I'm curious but missed it.
Some of these alt-righters/Trumpers in America are not TOO happy with tonight's results.
That only increases my pleasure at Macron's victory even more.
Yep. Hilarious to see these alt-righters in meltdown. We've got our elections next month and the German elections coming in September. Let's hope the trend of sensible election results keeps going. Corbyn and his merry gang need to be roundly defeated, and his stupid tweet that doesn't even congratulate Macron tells you all you need to know about him. Hopefully UKIP's downtard trend will continue as well.
Wishing Merkel best of luck in Germany too.
Will UKIP even keep a deposit anywhere?
Yes. Boston & Skegness, Professor Nuttall will bust your bet with @isam. People will know its safe to vote kipper there as Labour have less than zero chance there.
Next.
Hartlepool too, surely.
Yep they'll keep deposit there but the Tories will take enough of the vote to win.
Do you want to price up ukip under over 15% in Thurrock? Or Dagenham?
No lol I think you're definitely on the right side of that bet :>
@foxinsoxuk seems confident he is on the right side of it... but wont up the stakes. I will increase them by any amount he likes, and the offer is open to everybody else on the site
What are the terms of the bet? I'm curious but missed it.
Mark Stone of Sky who seems to support the EU just said that Macron's choice of 'ode to joy ' to walk to the stage was very strange as it would have angered as many as supported it.
Is this really going to unite France or prove to be divisive within the Country
Mark Stone of Sky who seems to support the EU just said that Macron's choice of 'ode to joy ' to walk to the stage was very strange as it would have angered as many as supported it.
Is this really going to unite France or prove to be divisive within the Country
Brilliant choice of music in that dramatic entrance. They ended by singing La arrangement The message is simple. I'm French and European. May not be music to many ears in Britain.
I'm British and European.
Just as I don't have to vote Tory to be a British patriot I don't have to be in favour of the EU to be a proud European.
Only the small-minded or the illiberal think that a country or continent can only be represented by one particular political party or political/bureaucratic arrangement.
People won't care about this in Britain in the main, but perhaps could lead to a bit of a Lib Dem surge in London. Maybe. Farron is no Macron though.
Sadly I just don't think many people will even notice the french election, fewer still will be sufficiently affected to influence their vote.
It will alter the mood though. An economic liberal, social liberal, advocate of inclusion and unashamedly proud European is now in charge of our nearest neighbour.
I have never been so jealous of the French.
Liberalism in the French context is not the same as liberalism in the UK. There is very little tradition of classic liberalism in French politics. Don't assume that the same word means the same thing in a different context.
What I do find odd is that Macron is on record as saying that he does not think there is any such thing as French culture or even French art. A curious thing for a French politician to say. And how do you "include" people into a country if you do not think there is something for them to be included into.
A country is more than simply a geographical entity.
As Seamus Heaney put it in 2013:
“We are not simply a credit rating or an economy but a history and a culture, a human population rather than a statistical phenomenon.”
Surely that applies - in spades - to France?
The word Liberalism, can and has meant so many different things to different people at different times, Thant it is now best hyphenated i.e. classical liberalism social liberalism. That is partly why the word Libertarianism was created, and some Of us self identify that way rather than just liberal.
I don't know a great deal about Macron, but the way you describe him he is sounding more and more like a Librarian to me.
Obviously the economically liberal AND Socially liberal, but more deeply what you quote him saying about art and culture, suggests he understands individualism on a more fundamental level. But hay I may be wrong.
I have to ask: did you mean Librarian or Libertarian?
I hope it was Librarian...
LOL, the curses of Dyslexia sticks again!! it was meant to be Libertarian, but I admit Librarian would have been more amusing.
Mark Stone of Sky who seems to support the EU just said that Macron's choice of 'ode to joy ' to walk to the stage was very strange as it would have angered as many as supported it.
Is this really going to unite France or prove to be divisive within the Country
Brilliant choice of music in that dramatic entrance. They ended by singing La arrangement The message is simple. I'm French and European. May not be music to many ears in Britain.
I'm British and European.
Just as I don't have to vote Tory to be a British patriot I don't have to be in favour of the EU to be a proud European.
Only the small-minded or the illiberal think that a country or continent can only be represented by one particular political party or political/bureaucratic arrangement.
Some of these alt-righters/Trumpers in America are not TOO happy with tonight's results.
That only increases my pleasure at Macron's victory even more.
Yep. Hilarious to see these alt-righters in meltdown. We've got our elections next month and the German elections coming in September. Let's hope the trend of sensible election results keeps going. Corbyn and his merry gang need to be roundly defeated, and his stupid tweet that doesn't even congratulate Macron tells you all you need to know about him. Hopefully UKIP's downtard trend will continue as well.
Wishing Merkel best of luck in Germany too.
Will UKIP even keep a deposit anywhere?
Yes. Boston & Skegness, Professor Nuttall will bust your bet with @isam. People will know its safe to vote kipper there as Labour have less than zero chance there.
Next.
Hartlepool too, surely.
Yep they'll keep deposit there but the Tories will take enough of the vote to win.
Do you want to price up ukip under over 15% in Thurrock? Or Dagenham?
No lol I think you're definitely on the right side of that bet :>
@foxinsoxuk seems confident he is on the right side of it... but wont up the stakes. I will increase them by any amount he likes, and the offer is open to everybody else on the site
What are the terms of the bet? I'm curious but missed it.
Some of these alt-righters/Trumpers in America are not TOO happy with tonight's results.
That only increases my pleasure at Macron's victory even more.
Yep. Hilarious to see these alt-righters in meltdown. We've got our elections next month and the German elections coming in September. Let's hope the trend of sensible election results keeps going. Corbyn and his merry gang need to be roundly defeated, and his stupid tweet that doesn't even congratulate Macron tells you all you need to know about him. Hopefully UKIP's downtard trend will continue as well.
Wishing Merkel best of luck in Germany too.
Will UKIP even keep a deposit anywhere?
Yes. Boston & Skegness, Professor Nuttall will bust your bet with @isam. People will know its safe to vote kipper there as Labour have less than zero chance there.
Next.
Hartlepool too, surely.
Yep they'll keep deposit there but the Tories will take enough of the vote to win.
Do you want to price up ukip under over 15% in Thurrock? Or Dagenham?
No lol I think you're definitely on the right side of that bet :>
@foxinsoxuk seems confident he is on the right side of it... but wont up the stakes. I will increase them by any amount he likes, and the offer is open to everybody else on the site
What are the terms of the bet? I'm curious but missed it.
Mark Stone of Sky who seems to support the EU just said that Macron's choice of 'ode to joy ' to walk to the stage was very strange as it would have angered as many as supported it.
Is this really going to unite France or prove to be divisive within the Country
Brilliant choice of music in that dramatic entrance. They ended by singing La arrangement The message is simple. I'm French and European. May not be music to many ears in Britain.
I'm British and European.
Just as I don't have to vote Tory to be a British patriot I don't have to be in favour of the EU to be a proud European.
Only the small-minded or the illiberal think that a country or continent can only be represented by one particular political party or political/bureaucratic arrangement.
And only the bloody-minded think that leaving the prevailing political manifestation of European identity to make a futile point about sovereignty has anything to do with patriotism.
Some of these alt-righters/Trumpers in America are not TOO happy with tonight's results.
That only increases my pleasure at Macron's victory even more.
Yep. Hilarious to see these alt-righters in meltdown. We've got our elections next month and the German elections coming in September. Let's hope the trend of sensible election results keeps going. Corbyn and his merry gang need to be roundly defeated, and his stupid tweet that doesn't even congratulate Macron tells you all you need to know about him. Hopefully UKIP's downtard trend will continue as well.
Wishing Merkel best of luck in Germany too.
Will UKIP even keep a deposit anywhere?
Yes. Boston & Skegness, Professor Nuttall will bust your bet with @isam. People will know its safe to vote kipper there as Labour have less than zero chance there.
Next.
Hartlepool too, surely.
Yep they'll keep deposit there but the Tories will take enough of the vote to win.
Do you want to price up ukip under over 15% in Thurrock? Or Dagenham?
No lol I think you're definitely on the right side of that bet :>
@foxinsoxuk seems confident he is on the right side of it... but wont up the stakes. I will increase them by any amount he likes, and the offer is open to everybody else on the site
What are the terms of the bet? I'm curious but missed it.
Will UKIP get 15% in any constituency?
What are the odds?
Even money
I'll pass thanks. I expect UKIP will fail to get 4% nationally but there may be the odd seat where they scrape 18%. I'd shake on a tenner evens odds at 20% if you're interested?
I'm not sure the CV as listed would help here though.
He is the author of one of the prime texts on negotiation, Getting to Yes, and has written multiple other books on negotiation, including 'Getting Past No: Negotiating with Difficult People', and 'The Power of A Positive No'
Having been a negotiator with the FCO for a number of years before going to business school where I studied his work, I can attest that I found many of the ideas from the academic study of negotiation analysis to have been profoundly useful, and wish I had known them earlier. Subsequently, in dealing with the Iraqis and their wmd programmes, I found his works again extremely useful and practical in dealing with Tariq Aziz, Gen Amer Rashid and Comical Ali.
I have no doubt that British Civil Servants could find a lot to learn from this gentleman.
Well, that is a better list of what is in his CV and looks promising. I like the "Getting to yes" "getting past no" and "The power of a positive no" or as I would prefer to tell Juncker right now, "F*** off!"
Only the small-minded or the illiberal think that a country or continent can only be represented by one particular political party or political/bureaucratic arrangement.
I looked at that sentence and once I got thru the clauses I had to ask: are you seriously proposing the Queen cannot represent the UK? (...a country...can[not] only be represented by one...political/bureaucratic arrangement...). I assume this wasn't the interpretation you meant.
People won't care about this in Britain in the main, but perhaps could lead to a bit of a Lib Dem surge in London. Maybe. Farron is no Macron though.
Sadly I just don't think many people will even notice the french election, fewer still will be sufficiently affected to influence their vote.
It will alter the mood though. An economic liberal, social liberal, advocate of inclusion and unashamedly proud European is now in charge of our nearest neighbour.
I have never been so jealous of the French.
Liberalism in the French context is not the same as liberalism in the UK. There is very little tradition of classic liberalism in French politics. Don't assume that the same word means the same thing in a different context.
What I do find odd is that Macron is on record as saying that he does not think there is any such thing as French culture or even French art. A curious thing for a French politician to say. And how do you "include" people into a country if you do not think there is something for them to be included into.
A country is more than simply a geographical entity.
As Seamus Heaney put it in 2013:
“We are not simply a credit rating or an economy but a history and a culture, a human population rather than a statistical phenomenon.”
Surely that applies - in spades - to France?
The word Liberalism, can and has meant so many different things to different people at different times, Thant it is now best hyphenated i.e. classical liberalism social liberalism. That is partly why the word Libertarianism was created, and some Of us self identify that way rather than just liberal.
I don't know a great deal about Macron, but the way you describe him he is sounding more and more like a Librarian to me.
Obviously the economically liberal AND Socially liberal, but more deeply what you quote him saying about art and culture, suggests he understands individualism on a more fundamental level. But hay I may be wrong.
I have to ask: did you mean Librarian or Libertarian?
I hope it was Librarian...
LOL, the curses of Dyslexia sticks again!! it was meant to be Libertarian, but I admit Librarian would have been more amusing.
I know, and I sympathise as my spelling is sufficiently bad that I frequently have to turn to my students to ask them how to spell a word on the board. Autocorrect is a real double-edged sword, but I would be stuffed without it.
People won't care about this in Britain in the main, but perhaps could lead to a bit of a Lib Dem surge in London. Maybe. Farron is no Macron though.
The oldest enemy of Britain and especially England is France, we tend to do exactly the opposite of what they do eg when they had Mitterand we had Thatcher and Major, when they had Chirac and Sarkozy we had Blair and Brown, when they had Hollande and Macron we had Cameron and May
"Enemy" .......FFS man, we have been Allies against the "bad guys" for over a 100 years! Our last major conflict was the Napoleonic War over 200 years ago.
Some of these alt-righters/Trumpers in America are not TOO happy with tonight's results.
That only increases my pleasure at Macron's victory even more.
Yep. Hilarious to see these alt-righters in meltdown. We've got our elections next month and the German elections coming in September. Let's hope the trend of sensible election results keeps going. Corbyn and his merry gang need to be roundly defeated, and his stupid tweet that doesn't even congratulate Macron tells you all you need to know about him. Hopefully UKIP's downtard trend will continue as well.
Wishing Merkel best of luck in Germany too.
Will UKIP even keep a deposit anywhere?
Yes. Boston & Skegness, Professor Nuttall will bust your bet with @isam. People will know its safe to vote kipper there as Labour have less than zero chance there.
Next.
Hartlepool too, surely.
Yep they'll keep deposit there but the Tories will take enough of the vote to win.
Do you want to price up ukip under over 15% in Thurrock? Or Dagenham?
No lol I think you're definitely on the right side of that bet :>
@foxinsoxuk seems confident he is on the right side of it... but wont up the stakes. I will increase them by any amount he likes, and the offer is open to everybody else on the site
What are the terms of the bet? I'm curious but missed it.
Will UKIP get 15% in any constituency?
What are the odds?
Even money
I'll pass thanks. I expect UKIP will fail to get 4% nationally but there may be the odd seat where they scrape 18%. I'd shake on a tenner evens odds at 20% if you're interested?
I think it's probably a bet but I'll hold on to see if @foxinsoxuk wants to up the stakes at 15%... he seems confident so he probably will when he sees this
Isn't it 99% of communes reporting some results, but not necessarily final results? They may not have finished all counting. According to the Interior ministry site 86% of the count is complete.
Isn't it 99% of communes reporting some results, but not necessarily final results? They may not have finished all counting. According to the Interior ministry site 86% of the count is complete.
yes, with most of it in Paris. She is going down to 34% looks like.
When oh when are the bookmakers going to settle the Macron to win with over 60% of the vote/Trump to be POTUS//Leave to get 50-55%/Leicester for the 15/16 Prem quadruple? I'm fed up of waiting
When oh when are the bookmakers going to settle the Macron to win with over 60% of the vote/Trump to be POTUS//Leave to get 50-55%/Leicester for the 15/16 Prem quadruple? I'm fed up of waiting
Is there a market on who makes the most cringeworthy humblebrag regarding betting success on the French presidency?
I have had a very good election. I was on Macron as long as 23, and at an average of 11, and tipped him to top the first round. I re-invested that profit on the second round, weighted heavily onto the 30-35% band. I look to be up about £800.
On top of that nice little earner, which goves me stake money for the GE, the winner is a politician that I actually like, and I have learned a lot about French politics.
In terms of turning back the tide of the alt.right "This is not the end. it is not even the beginning of the end, but it is perhaps the end of the beginning"
Can I claim the prize?
PS, many thanks to @Chris_from_Paris whose late night tips made it all possible.
Is there a market on who makes the most cringeworthy humblebrag regarding betting success on the French presidency?
I have had a very good election. I was on Macron as long as 23, and at an average of 11, and tipped him to top the first round. I re-invested that profit on the second round, weighted heavily onto the 30-35% band. I look to be up about £800.
On top of that nice little earner, which goves me stake money for the GE, the winner is a politicoan that I actually like, and I have learned a lot about French politics.
In terms of turning back the tide of the alt.right "This is not the end. it is not even the beginning of the end, but it is perhaps the end of the beginning"
Can I claim the prize?
No, that's not a humblebrag
But you can invest all of it with me at Even money, ukip not to get 15% in any seat if you like
Is there a market on who makes the most cringeworthy humblebrag regarding betting success on the French presidency?
I have had a very good election. I was on Macron as long as 23, and at an average of 11, and tipped him to top the first round. I re-invested that profit on the second round, weighted heavily onto the 30-35% band. I look to be up about £800.
On top of that nice little earner, which goves me stake money for the GE, the winner is a politicoan that I actually like, and I have learned a lot about French politics.
In terms of turning back the tide of the alt.right "This is not the end. it is not even the beginning of the end, but it is perhaps the end of the beginning"
Can I claim the prize?
No, that's not a humblebrag
But you can invest all of it with me at Even money, ukip not to get 15% in any seat if you like
The context for his comments was against claims to French culture being used to divide people from each other. He was promoting values of multiculturalism that are somewhat unfashionable in these shores now. I found the last debate between Le Pen and Macron fascinating because despite the insults, there was a real battle of visions between the two candidates. This wasn't politicians manufacturing differences. Anyway, here's the full quote:
«You can't simply place our culture under house arrest. Then you wouldn't have a culture of all sorts. You wouldn't have this wonderful French wealth because you would have to deny a part of it. In any case there isn't a French culture. There is culture in France. A culture that is diverse and is multifaceted. I don't want to exclude particular authors, musicians and artists on the grounds that they come from somewhere else.»
I was thinking of an earlier quote, on 22 February, to an audience in London when he said: "French culture does not exist, there is a culture in France and it is diverse".
And: "French art? I never met it!"
That is just vacuous and historical nonsense. The fact that some artists, writers etc may have been born elsewhere does not detract from the fact that there is French culture, French mores, French traditions, a certain French approach to intellectual thought, which makes France what it is - France, rather than, say, Ireland.
A culture is enriched in many ways but it is nonetheless a recognisable and coherent culture which makes a nation.
Multiculturalism - in its rather superficial "Isn't a rainbow lovely?" way - is a nonsense because rather than seeing a country as a home where all are part of the family, with a shared history, shared traditions, shared - if unspoken assumptions - about how we behave and with obligations to look after each other because we are "family" even (especially) if we don't like each other, sees a country as a hotel where people come and go, barely interact with each other and simply avail themselves of its services in return for financial contributions only.
I don't - as should be clear - share Le Pen's view of the world but I fear that Macron's tolerance is little more than an unwillingness to address the challenges which France faces from those who simply refuse to accept the idea of France at all and that this is motivated by fear and cowardice, however much people may like to dress it up. Easy to criticise Le Pen. Much harder to come up with a way of addressing the issues she raises. "We must be / are diverse" is trite banality, not an answer or a policy.
Macron needs to be something more than simply "not Le Pen".
Isn't it 99% of communes reporting some results, but not necessarily final results? They may not have finished all counting. According to the Interior ministry site 86% of the count is complete.
yes, with most of it in Paris. She is going down to 34% looks like.
He's on 64.66% with 89% counted. If the rest is mainly Paris likely he'll finish on just over 65%, I guess.
You are making exactly the same mistake you made in the 1st round. Why do you think under 35% is 1,03 on Betfair?
I just posted the results without comment, that is precisely what they are and it makes zero difference in reality whether Le Pen is on 34% or 35% beyond a few betters on it of whom I am not one
Is there a market on who makes the most cringeworthy humblebrag regarding betting success on the French presidency?
I have had a very good election. I was on Macron as long as 23, and at an average of 11, and tipped him to top the first round. I re-invested that profit on the second round, weighted heavily onto the 30-35% band. I look to be up about £800.
On top of that nice little earner, which goves me stake money for the GE, the winner is a politicoan that I actually like, and I have learned a lot about French politics.
In terms of turning back the tide of the alt.right "This is not the end. it is not even the beginning of the end, but it is perhaps the end of the beginning"
Can I claim the prize?
No, that's not a humblebrag
But you can invest all of it with me at Even money, ukip not to get 15% in any seat if you like
The context for his comments was against claims to French culture being used to divide people from each other. He was promoting values of multiculturalism that are somewhat unfashionable in these shores now. I found the last debate between Le Pen and Macron fascinating because despite the insults, there was a real battle of visions between the two candidates. This wasn't politicians manufacturing differences. Anyway, here's the full quote:
«You can't simply place our culture There is culture in France. A culture that is diverse and is multifaceted. I don't want to exclude particular authors, musicians and artists on the grounds that they come from somewhere else.»
I was thinking of an earlier quote, on 22 February, to an audience in London when he said: "French culture does not exist, there is a culture in France and it is diverse".
And: "French art? I never met it!"
That is just vacuous and historical nonsense. The fact that some artists, writers etc may have been born elsewhere does not detract from the fact that there is French culture, French mores, French traditions, a certain French approach to intellectual thought, which makes France what it is - France, rather than, say, Ireland.
A culture is enriched in many ways but it is nonetheless a recognisable and coherent culture which makes a nation.
Multiculturalism - in its rather superficial "Isn't a rainbow lovely?" way - is a nonsense because rather than seeing a country as a home where all are part of the family, with a shared history, shared traditions, shared - if unspoken assumptions - about how we behave and with obligations to look after each other because we are "family" even (especially) if we don't like each other, sees a country as a hotel where people come and go, barely interact with each other and simply avail themselves of its services in return for financial contributions only.
I don't - as should be clear - share Le Pen's view of the world but I fear that Macron's tolerance is little more than an unwillingness to address the challenges which France faces from those who simply refuse to accept the idea of France at all and that this is motivated by fear and cowardice, however much people may like to dress it up. Easy to criticise Le Pen. Much harder to come up with a way of addressing the issues she raises. "We must be / are diverse" is trite banality, not an answer or a policy.
Macron needs to be something more than simply "not Le Pen".
It's not that long ago that most people in France didn't speak French. Multiculturalism can also mean Basque, Flemish, Provencal, Gascon, Corsican, Breton, Catalan etc Have you read The Discovery of France? If not, I really recommend it.
Will Jezza be "working" with Macron? When and on what one wonders...
Who knows?
4 weeks to go - the CPS yet to come....
(Long shot I know but never say never!)
I maintain he'd find it easier if there are no charges - he can rail against a system rigged to let the Tories off, rather than be restricted in how much he can say if charges are brought.
But from what we hear about Thanet, I'd be amazed if there are no charges at all.
Is there a market on who makes the most cringeworthy humblebrag regarding betting success on the French presidency?
I have had a very good election. I was on Macron as long as 23, and at an average of 11, and tipped him to top the first round. I re-invested that profit on the second round, weighted heavily onto the 30-35% band. I look to be up about £800.
On top of that nice little earner, which goves me stake money for the GE, the winner is a politicoan that I actually like, and I have learned a lot about French politics.
In terms of turning back the tide of the alt.right "This is not the end. it is not even the beginning of the end, but it is perhaps the end of the beginning"
Can I claim the prize?
No, that's not a humblebrag
But you can invest all of it with me at Even money, ukip not to get 15% in any seat if you like
No thanks, I need my stake money for the GE.
It's on credit so you still have your stake money
No thanks. Keeping gambling from becoming an addiction is all about sticking to one's limits.
That's rather terse. Surely you didn't want MLP to win?
Of course not - but Mr Bobajob tends to get like this at elections where there is apparently virtue to be signalled. Any of us who suggested Trump might be in with a chance were repeatedly asked to state for some sort of Bobajobian record to say whether we wanted him to win/what total we thought he would get etc....
Your posts are generally good when you write in English, rather than using trite internet cliches like 'virtue signalling'.
English is probably the best language in the world!
Comments
http://presidentielle.lepoint.fr/
The message is simple. I'm French and European. May not be music to many ears in Britain.
Now if you want a bit more of a grey area, try Italy which actually (and understandably) actually did a 180% turn and helped the Allies. Though I am convinced that the vast majority of Italians never wanted to be involved with Germany in the first place (though that could be bias on my part because I love Italy also).
I don't know a great deal about Macron, but the way you describe him he is sounding more and more like a Librarian to me.
Obviously the economically liberal AND Socially liberal, but more deeply what you quote him saying about art and culture, suggests he understands individualism on a more fundamental level. But hay I may be wrong.
I hope it was Librarian...
«You can't simply place our culture under house arrest. Then you wouldn't have a culture of all sorts. You wouldn't have this wonderful French wealth because you would have to deny a part of it. In any case there isn't a French culture. There is culture in France. A culture that is diverse and is multifaceted. I don't want to exclude particular authors, musicians and artists on the grounds that they come from somewhere else.»
Just as I don't have to vote Tory to be a British patriot I don't have to be in favour of the EU to be a proud European.
Only the small-minded or the illiberal think that a country or continent can only be represented by one particular political party or political/bureaucratic arrangement.
LOL, the curses of Dyslexia sticks again!! it was meant to be Libertarian, but I admit Librarian would have been more amusing.
Hear! Hear!
http://www.itv.com/news/2017-05-07/tim-farron-denies-he-was-a-thatcher-fan-as-a-teenager/
Whatever happen MTF on here anyway?
8 polls, average:
Con 46.88 (+0.55)
Lab 28.50 (+0.39)
LD 9.75 (-0.47)
UKIP 6.75 (+0.08)
Tory lead 18.38 (+0.16)
https://twitter.com/ryxnf/status/861299791099174912
Macron 64.3%
Le Pen 35.7%
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2017/05/07/world/europe/france-election-results-maps.html?_r=0
"serous"
Corbyn's corporation tax proposals are about to hit the buffers
God with us Emmanuel!
On top of that nice little earner, which goves me stake money for the GE, the winner is a politician that I actually like, and I have learned a lot about French politics.
In terms of turning back the tide of the alt.right "This is not the end. it is not even the beginning of the end, but it is perhaps the end of the beginning"
Can I claim the prize?
PS, many thanks to @Chris_from_Paris whose late night tips made it all possible.
https://twitter.com/sundersays/status/861332377192235009
But you can invest all of it with me at Even money, ukip not to get 15% in any seat if you like
And: "French art? I never met it!"
That is just vacuous and historical nonsense. The fact that some artists, writers etc may have been born elsewhere does not detract from the fact that there is French culture, French mores, French traditions, a certain French approach to intellectual thought, which makes France what it is - France, rather than, say, Ireland.
A culture is enriched in many ways but it is nonetheless a recognisable and coherent culture which makes a nation.
Multiculturalism - in its rather superficial "Isn't a rainbow lovely?" way - is a nonsense because rather than seeing a country as a home where all are part of the family, with a shared history, shared traditions, shared - if unspoken assumptions - about how we behave and with obligations to look after each other because we are "family" even (especially) if we don't like each other, sees a country as a hotel where people come and go, barely interact with each other and simply avail themselves of its services in return for financial contributions only.
I don't - as should be clear - share Le Pen's view of the world but I fear that Macron's tolerance is little more than an unwillingness to address the challenges which France faces from those who simply refuse to accept the idea of France at all and that this is motivated by fear and cowardice, however much people may like to dress it up. Easy to criticise Le Pen. Much harder to come up with a way of addressing the issues she raises. "We must be / are diverse" is trite banality, not an answer or a policy.
Macron needs to be something more than simply "not Le Pen".
At least 66% I think
4 weeks to go - the CPS yet to come....
(Long shot I know but never say never!)
But from what we hear about Thanet, I'd be amazed if there are no charges at all.
Being a Maggie fan doesn't really match what we know of him.