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DId you make a copy of it by accident?SeanT said:Why is my wonderful RobD spread not updating?!
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Sorry. After the media it is heretics and apostates, followed by the upper class and then intellectuals. So we would be 4th or 5th assuming that they can find us.MaxPB said:
And here I was getting ready to string up Remainers and lawyers...Beverley_C said:
Absolutely! When the revolution comes, the media will be the first against the wall.FrancisUrquhart said:
Don't forget it's a rigged system and the Zionist run media are biased against them (including the guardian and the mirror).Beverley_C said:
Obviously the Party is not far enough to the left to attract voters. Time to purge those pesky moderates? (Or time for those pesky moderates to purge themselves?)Scott_P said:@bbclaurak: Hearing fears at Labour HQ about blame game that's started already from the leadership
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Technically it's Renfrewshire council, & the SCons have had 1 councillor there for at least the last 2 council elections.Sean_F said:
It must be decades since the Conservatives got a councillor in Paisley.0 -
It will rain in London?TheScreamingEagles said:Paging Scrapheap.
Spurs are playing today and so are the England cricket team.
You know what that means!0 -
@chrisdeerin: If swings to Tories in NE Scotland are indicative then Salmond is under threat in GE. Will Nicola want to put in the resource to save him?0
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I think I read somewhere that one broadcaster had to ask more than 70 Labour MPs before they got a taker.Big_G_NorthWales said:Really funny - the BBC have changed their panel but Thornberry is still there. Mind you they only have Abbott and McDonnell as subs. Apart from Stephen Kinnock I have not seen another labour MP
Perhaps the deal is that whoever fronts the locals gets to go to the back of the queue for June 8/9th?0 -
That is how remainers want it to work but a big fracture is on the horizon lead by the Irish, Dutch and Danes and the Prime Minister of the UK will not take lectures from the Eurocrats.foxinsoxuk said:
We do not get to choose their representatives any more than they get to choose ours.Big_G_NorthWales said:
She will deal with whoever she wants towilliamglenn said:
Like Trump who allegedly asked Merkel 10 times for a trade deal with Germany before accepting that he could only deal with the European Commission?Big_G_NorthWales said:
Not at all - she will deal with whoever she wants toBeverley_C said:
Mrs May can only deal with whoever the EU says she can deal with. They *do* get to pick their team just as we get to choose ours.Big_G_NorthWales said:
So be it - Junckers is a disgrace and needs to be taken out of the negotiations. Furthermore the idea that Theresa May can only deal with Barnier is for the birds.foxinsoxuk said:
Barnier is the negotiating contact for the EU. Halting all talks with the clock ticking towards hard Brexit is pretty certain to hasten an unplanned hard Brexit.Big_G_NorthWales said:
I can see the time coming when Theresa May halts all talks until he is removed from the processFrancisUrquhart said:
He is at a conference and announced he would speak in French rather than (as expected) English, but English is now losing importance, followed by a big smirk.Big_G_NorthWales said:
What's he done nowFrancisUrquhart said:Drunker being a twat again. I am surprised may didn't hit him with her handbag when they had that dinner.
Isn't the whole point of Brexit to cease to be involved in the internal aspects of the EU? so what does it matter in choice of internal language used there
The EU27 have chosen Barnier to represent them, and for no direct talks with individual countries. The EU27 have signed up to this unanimously. That is how a union works.0 -
On results so far, the Labour vote is holding up well in the city of Norwich. I think Clive is gonna hang on0
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Some of it may get plastered everywhere tomorrow, when the French media won't be allowed to talk about it. I doubt Fancy Bear has given up yet.SeanT said:
"Garçon" magazine, which is not a magazine for waiters, printed a topless (photoshopped) photo of Macron on their front cover.
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@britainelects: Scottish ward results so far:
SNP: 21 (-5)
CON: 18 (+11)
LAB: 13 (-3)
IND: 8 (-3)
LDEM: 1 (-1)
GRN: 1 (+1)0 -
'Pedastool' is an excellent and apposite typo.FrancisUrquhart said:
I find it bizarre that certain sections of the media hold him up on some pedastool. A bloke elected as part of a party with a total bonkers manifesto that totally failed and was sacked after a few months.BigRich said:
I am seriously struggling to understand what he thinks he is doing, he must be board, having an ex cabinet minister form one nation, come and campaign in local elections in another!.FrancisUrquhart said:
What's the message he is selling...Vote labour and send the country into chaos like when I was in government in Greece?Theuniondivvie said:
But I would bet John McDonald would have thin nation, so brock it would be begging for money form the IMF in half the time it took he took.
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Are the Welsh results really pointing towards a Con 40: Lab 30 split ?0
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Well Thornberry has been subbed by, of course, by AbbottBig_G_NorthWales said:Really funny - the BBC have changed their panel but Thornberry is still there. Mind you they only have Abbott and McDonnell as subs. Apart from Stephen Kinnock I have not seen another labour MP
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It seems to me on the results that Labour are holding up comparatively better in their "traditional heartlands", while falling back even further in Tory-held marginal territory. Wales being a good example of that in particular.
That's both good and bad news for Labour -- good in the short-term, because it does suggest losses in the GE will be more contained than suggested, because there's little sign that there's an extra-big swing to the Tories among the core Labour vote (therefore Lab's vote should stay relatively "efficient", getting more seats than a low voteshare would imply). But bad in the medium-/long-term, because it probably means they're going to be EPICALLY far behind in the Nuneaton-kind of seats which they would need to regain at some point if they EVER want to win a majority again.0 -
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A pointless leak as the whole point of briefing notes is they are spouted on telly and in the papers; they are not state secrets. They may as well have leaked the Tories' strong and stable slogan for the general election. Is it even a briefing note or a press release?Scott_P said:0 -
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Abbott: " I wouldn't use the word 'disastrous' "0
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SNP really deserve to lose badly given their disgraceful 'rape clause' campaign0
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Keep going Diane, I have my popcorn to hand.0
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Understated KLAXON
@nickeardleybbc: Senior Tory sources say their vote is increasing a lot in many areas of Scotland they haven't done well in before0 -
Why was he at no 10 then - he is toxicSouthamObserver said:
Juncker is not involved in the negotiations.Big_G_NorthWales said:
So be it - Junckers is a disgrace and needs to be taken out of the negotiations. Furthermore the idea that Theresa May can only deal with Barnier is for the birds.foxinsoxuk said:
Barnier is the negotiating contact for the EU. Halting all talks with the clock ticking towards hard Brexit is pretty certain to hasten an unplanned hard Brexit.Big_G_NorthWales said:
I can see the time coming when Theresa May halts all talks until he is removed from the processFrancisUrquhart said:
He is at a conference and announced he would speak in French rather than (as expected) English, but English is now losing importance, followed by a big smirk.Big_G_NorthWales said:
What's he done nowFrancisUrquhart said:Drunker being a twat again. I am surprised may didn't hit him with her handbag when they had that dinner.
Isn't the whole point of Brexit to cease to be involved in the internal aspects of the EU? so what does it matter in choice of internal language used there0 -
There are I think less than ten MPs who have stuck their heads out for Labour during the GE.Scott_P said:@isaby: Bizarre the only national Labour voices on TV/radio - McDonnell/Thornberry/Gardiner/Abbott - represent London which had no elections y'day
Those four, Burgon, Ashworth. Any others?
Anyway, attrition will start to take its toll.0 -
They beat SLab by 30 votes - that's a lol moment!Scott_P said:0 -
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@abowie4WAK: Central Buchan result in, @ScotTories win ward and get Marion Buchan elected with 1808 votes. SNP reduced to one councillor.0
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I just don't see Corbyn quitting. The line (I should say immortal line) from McDonnell this morning was that they have popular policies and the election rules meant that they would get a fair hearing in the media.Roger said:
If these local elections had been held before TM called the election I'm sure at this moment we'd be counting the hours till Corbyn resigned.Cyclefree said:
Plenty of people warned idiots like her that Corbyn was bad news. And they were roundly poo-poohed. So tough shit for morons like her who waste newsprint parading their empty-headed self-righteousness and presumed - and unjustified - self-claimed moral superiority over the rest of us.SeanT said:
Perhaps if people like her had actually bothered to look into what Corbyn said and believed over the years and compared it to the values she claims to believe in, Labour might not now be in such a mess. I have very little sympathy for self-indulgent nitwits like her.
For those who - like SO - would like a decent social democratic/left of centre party to vote for, rather more so. Rather a lot in fact. We all lose out by not having a viable opposition party.
I hope the revenge - when it comes - on the Corbynites and their fellow travellers is so savage that they slink off into the darkest recesses where far left groupuscules are usually found, never to be heard of again.
Even now I'm not convinced he'll carry on. The pressure of knowing he's the main cause of this humiliation you'd hope would be weighing heavily.
I've no idea what the mechanism is but there will be some very angry Labour people who have just lost their jobs or who are about to who will surely do something. Even Momentum can't now say it'll be alright on the night.
To me that sounds like the sound of hard reality hurtling towards the delicately framed delusion that the hard left is hard done by in the press. Popular policies are only good if they are part of balanced and realistic manifesto for government. Anyone can see that Corbyn can't even run the PLP.0 -
I'm astonished that, firstly, Labour would Abbott to be seen on TV again and astonished that she has the self belief to get back on the horse.
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Is it possible to extract into Excel?SeanT said:
Brilliant, ta. Does it update if it's open in google sheets?RobD said:
DId you make a copy of it by accident?SeanT said:Why is my wonderful RobD spread not updating?!
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12/64 seats in for Derbyshire and CON are already up 3!0
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Marion BuchanScott_P said:@abowie4WAK: Central Buchan result in, @ScotTories win ward and get Marion Buchan elected with 1808 votes. SNP reduced to one councillor.
She's standing in the right seat!0 -
Can I have a pint of what Diane Abbot's been drinking please barman!0
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There is no one elseSchards said:I'm astonished that, firstly, Labour would Abbott to be seen on TV again and astonished that she has the self belief to get back on the horse.
Almost admirable0 -
A hostage to fortune from Ms Abbott there!0
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Nuttall has thrown in the towel for UKIP having a purpose any more.....0
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NOC a possibility.RobD said:12/64 seats in for Derbyshire and CON are already up 3!
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It auto updates if you open it in the browser. I am not sure if you try and import it/save it.SeanT said:
Brilliant, ta. Does it update if it's open in google sheets?RobD said:
DId you make a copy of it by accident?SeanT said:Why is my wonderful RobD spread not updating?!
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Could he be the shortest-serving UKIP leader ever....Oh!MarqueeMark said:Nuttall has thrown in the towel for UKIP having a purpose any more.....
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@Edinburgh_CC: Results are in for Ward 3! Drum Brae/Gyle results: 3 elected
Robert Aldridge (Lib Dem)
Claire Bridgman (SNP)
Mark Brown (Con)
Turnout 52.2%0 -
Yeah, I think you can export it even if you have view-only privilege. You can see all my crappy formulaeIanB2 said:
Is it possible to extract into Excel?SeanT said:
Brilliant, ta. Does it update if it's open in google sheets?RobD said:
DId you make a copy of it by accident?SeanT said:Why is my wonderful RobD spread not updating?!
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Well that's not surprising, UKIP are a party that has won the biggest and most important vote that this country has held in a generation. They've won.MarqueeMark said:Nuttall has thrown in the towel for UKIP having a purpose any more.....
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Just delusional.Schards said:I'm astonished that, firstly, Labour would Abbott to be seen on TV again and astonished that she has the self belief to get back on the horse.
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Looks like the Scottish Tory surge is very much real. Not going to ever hit the heights of the 1930's-50's when they were the dominant party there but they are on the up.
Of course having Corbyn doesn't help but that Labour brand in Scotland was badly damaged before he took over the leadership.0 -
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Paul Nuttall
'If the price of Britain is a Tory advance after taking up this patriotic cause then it is a price UKIP is prepared to pay'0 -
Did she vote for him twice?rottenborough said:0 -
Off-topic:
In other news: North Korea accuses CIA of plot to assassinate Kim Jong-un with "biochemical substances"
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-39815561
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Calamitousrottenborough said:Abbott: " I wouldn't use the word 'disastrous' "
Catastrophic
Tragic
Terrible
Devastating
Dreadful
Ruinous
Unsuccessful
Unfortunate
Grievous
Luckless
Doomed
Ill-Starred
Unlucky
Dreadful
Now which one SHOULD she use? Unlucky?0 -
I'm not sure UKIP had a choice.....Big_G_NorthWales said:Paul Nuttall
'If the price of Britain is a Tory advance after taking up this patriotic cause then it is a price UKIP is prepared to pay'0 -
@abowie4WAK: So the @ScotTories have just WON Peterhead North with 1890 first pref votes! SNP lose another cllr! #council170
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Plainly a partisan interpretation. Unless you interview the voters how would you know their enthusiasm? One cross in the box looks like any other.Baskerville said:0 -
Well she managed to get back on Jeremy Corbyn several times.MarqueeMark said:
Just delusional.Schards said:I'm astonished that, firstly, Labour would Abbott to be seen on TV again and astonished that she has the self belief to get back on the horse.
Almost admirable
If she can manage that, she can manage this
Mind bleach is available this way ------------>
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Oh, can you send a link? The Norfolk council website wasn't working for me.TheWhiteRabbit said:@RobD
There have loads of declarations in Norfolk, check Andrew Sinclair's twitter.0 -
The Notts ultra-marginal that I posted about yesterday as a test of the effectiveness of a strong Labour game game:
Kate Foale - Labour (2,051)
Trish-Roberts -Thompson - Conservative (1,269)
Sylvia Rule - Green (217)
Gav Slater - Liberal Democrat (387)
Read more at http://www.nottinghampost.com/live-updates-from-the-county-council-elections-in-nottinghamshire/story-30313347-detail/story.html#ezwUT5Jzm7ro1EU2.99
Easy win! So maybe ground game really does make a difference.0 -
IsRobD said:
Oh, can you send a link? The Norfolk council website wasn't working for me.TheWhiteRabbit said:@RobD
There have loads of declarations in Norfolk, check Andrew Sinclair's twitter.
http://elections.norfolk.gov.uk/textresults.aspx
Not working for you?0 -
Apparently there is no connection between these results and the forthcoming GE, as we live in unconventional times. "All to play for" - Abbott.Arthur_Penny said:
Calamitousrottenborough said:Abbott: " I wouldn't use the word 'disastrous' "
Catastrophic
Tragic
Terrible
Devastating
Dreadful
Ruinous
Unsuccessful
Unfortunate
Grievous
Luckless
Doomed
Ill-Starred
Unlucky
Dreadful
Now which one SHOULD she use? Unlucky?
The word I would use is "self-inflicted".0 -
BBC suggesting anti-SNP tactical voting is growing0
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@jessicaelgot: Lib Dem source says Tories in the lead for the West Midlands mayoralty. Their intel is usually good.
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It bears certain echoes of the 1924 election.JosiasJessop said:
There are lots of things going on.notme said:
No differential turnout isn't a Tory thing, it's usually against whoever is in government. Tories in , it helps labour, labour in helps conservatives. What's extraordinary is in a low turnout seven years into a Tory government and we are not seeing obliteration in local elections.Cyan said:
Of course there is differential turnout. Tories always vote, in whatever election. There was a very low turnout yesterday. Do you think there is "evidence" that the proportion of those who would vote Tory who stayed at home and the corresponding proportion of those who would vote Labour were about equal?Jonathan said:FWIW when the county elections were held on the same day as the GE in 2005. The votes of county wards when summed pretty much equalled the parliamentary constituency.
Unless we have evidence for differential turnout this time, what we see today might be a good guide to next month.
Firstly, we're seven years into a Tory government, but five of those were a coalition. This has somewhat 'freshened' up the government.
Secondly, we've a new PM. Thatcher left after ten or eleven years, Blair after nine. May's leadership has also freshened up the Conservative party *before* they got into the usual policy vacuum that a party suffers in its second or third term. With the perceived toffs gone, the government looks different.
Thirdly, Brexit. This has revitalised the political scene as well, and has anecdotally (according to me!) bought non-voters out where traditional Labour voters might be staying at home.
Fourthly, Corbyn. He is the antithesis of electoral gold-dust. Electoral cholera, perhaps? People are voting Labour in spite of his leadership, not because of it.
Fifthly: UKIP are dying, and many (most?) of their voters appear to be going to the Conservatives, regardless of which party they supported before UKIP.
These are really unusual elections, and I doubt we'll ever see such a conglomeration of circumstances favouring the governing party again.
I was particularly struck by this quote,
'..It makes my blood boil to read of the way which Mr. Zinoviev is speaking of the Prime Minister today. Though one time there went up a cry, "Hands off Russia", I think it's time somebody said to Russia, "Hands off England"...'
which bears a certain resemblance to the recent utterances of Mrs. May.
Could Labour go the way of the old Liberal party ?0 -
@TheWhiteRabbit - ah, he didn't give the ward name, but the ITV website has a list! Thanks for the pointer.0
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LOL I'll let you know if I ever find out how to do it!RobD said:
Yeah, I think you can export it even if you have view-only privilege. You can see all my crappy formulaeIanB2 said:
Is it possible to extract into Excel?SeanT said:
Brilliant, ta. Does it update if it's open in google sheets?RobD said:
DId you make a copy of it by accident?SeanT said:Why is my wonderful RobD spread not updating?!
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I think this is the 'key' battle, if Labour win it, then they will have at least 'something' to cheer.Scott_P said:@jessicaelgot: Lib Dem source says Tories in the lead for the West Midlands mayoralty. Their intel is usually good.
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UKIP HAVE WON A SEAT!0
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Carswell says "It's over" for UKIP0
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@C_GMcPherson: K Leslie elected for Tories in Burntisland, Kinghorn and W Kirkcaldy. She had to apologise last month for calling Sturgeon a 'drooling hag'0
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Nuttall statement is basically we have given up, vote Tory.0
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SCon surging in Fife0
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Alex Salmond reduced to saying he thinks SNP will get more votes than the tories
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https://twitter.com/C_KAndrews/status/860439326731194368
Slagging off potential voters always works....0 -
Well the cause they supported won, be honest if Gove and Boris had been on the other side things would have been different.MaxPB said:
Well that's not surprising, UKIP are a party that has won the biggest and most important vote that this country has held in a generation. They've won.MarqueeMark said:Nuttall has thrown in the towel for UKIP having a purpose any more.....
Cameron's decision to have a referendum vies with Labour MPs' decision to nominate Corbyn as the worst of the decade.0 -
LOL!!! Now an essential on all election literature....CarlottaVance said:@C_GMcPherson: K Leslie elected for Tories in Burntisland, Kinghorn and W Kirkcaldy. She had to apologise last month for calling Sturgeon a 'drooling hag'
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@PolhomeEditor: Scottish Tory source: "The tectonic plates are shifting. The choice facing Scottish voters in future will be Nicola or Ruth."0
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Big Lab to LD swings in Cambridge City. Win Chesterton, hold Market, almost win Abbey (1000 behind Labour last time)0
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@jessicaelgot · 4m4 minutes ago
Lib Dem source says Tories in the lead for the West Midlands mayoralty. Their intel is usually good.
I'm looking forward to Abbott eating her hostage to fortune on that one...0 -
Paul mason - labour tax bombshell is a good thing....I think he is more delusional than jezza.0
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@WestSoundNews: 2 Conservative and 1 Labour councillor for Annandale East & Eskdale.0
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Was LD, SNP, Lab in 2012 (with Lab elected in the first round)Scott_P said:@Edinburgh_CC: Results are in for Ward 3! Drum Brae/Gyle results: 3 elected
Robert Aldridge (Lib Dem)
Claire Bridgman (SNP)
Mark Brown (Con)
Turnout 52.2%0 -
Labour out to 3.0 on bf exchange for wm mayor0 -
Because May invited him.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Why was he at no 10 then - he is toxicSouthamObserver said:
Juncker is not involved in the negotiations.Big_G_NorthWales said:
So be it - Junckers is a disgrace and needs to be taken out of the negotiations. Furthermore the idea that Theresa May can only deal with Barnier is for the birds.foxinsoxuk said:
Barnier is the negotiating contact for the EU. Halting all talks with the clock ticking towards hard Brexit is pretty certain to hasten an unplanned hard Brexit.Big_G_NorthWales said:
I can see the time coming when Theresa May halts all talks until he is removed from the processFrancisUrquhart said:
He is at a conference and announced he would speak in French rather than (as expected) English, but English is now losing importance, followed by a big smirk.Big_G_NorthWales said:
What's he done nowFrancisUrquhart said:Drunker being a twat again. I am surprised may didn't hit him with her handbag when they had that dinner.
Isn't the whole point of Brexit to cease to be involved in the internal aspects of the EU? so what does it matter in choice of internal language used there
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Oh dear
@PolhomeEditor: Alex Salmond: "By the end of today, Scotland will be the only place where the Conservatives have been beaten."
@C_KAndrews: Sen. Tory source: "Pretty confident now that we are outpolling SNP in @PerthandKinross substantially, and will be largest group on council."0 -
There was a report on here last night that one of the TV channels (Sky?) had contacted 70 Labour MPs and none of them would agree to appear on TV this morning. If true it is quite a testament to the state of the Labour party.Big_G_NorthWales said:
There is no one elseSchards said:I'm astonished that, firstly, Labour would Abbott to be seen on TV again and astonished that she has the self belief to get back on the horse.
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It was the timing and the way in which he pitched the idiotic 'renegotiation' that really screwed him. If he hadn't rushed it then he'd now be PM and we'd be heading towards a referendum this year in a climate that would have been much more favourable for Remain.logical_song said:
Well the cause they supported won, be honest if Gove and Boris had been on the other side things would have been different.MaxPB said:
Well that's not surprising, UKIP are a party that has won the biggest and most important vote that this country has held in a generation. They've won.MarqueeMark said:Nuttall has thrown in the towel for UKIP having a purpose any more.....
Cameron's decision to have a referendum vies with Labour MPs' decision to nominate Corbyn as the worst of the decade.0 -
@murdo_fraser: Tory vote up 12.2% in Carse of Gowrie, SNP down 13.4%. Swing to @ScotTories of 12.8%!0
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NEW THREAD
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What was the apology for?CarlottaVance said:@C_GMcPherson: K Leslie elected for Tories in Burntisland, Kinghorn and W Kirkcaldy. She had to apologise last month for calling Sturgeon a 'drooling hag'
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@C_RMcLaren RESULT: Kirriemuir and Dean (3 seats) - Julie Bell (SNP), Angus Macmillan Douglas (Conservatives) and Ronnie Proctor (Conservatives)
Tories gain a seat from SNP in the first Angus result with sitting Kirriemuir and Dean councillor Jeanette Gaul losing her seat.0 -
“Just because you're paranoid doesn't mean they aren't after you.”JosiasJessop said:Off-topic:
In other news: North Korea accuses CIA of plot to assassinate Kim Jong-un with "biochemical substances"
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-39815561
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Well he should have shown some mannersSouthamObserver said:
Because May invited him.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Why was he at no 10 then - he is toxicSouthamObserver said:
Juncker is not involved in the negotiations.Big_G_NorthWales said:
So be it - Junckers is a disgrace and needs to be taken out of the negotiations. Furthermore the idea that Theresa May can only deal with Barnier is for the birds.foxinsoxuk said:
Barnier is the negotiating contact for the EU. Halting all talks with the clock ticking towards hard Brexit is pretty certain to hasten an unplanned hard Brexit.Big_G_NorthWales said:
I can see the time coming when Theresa May halts all talks until he is removed from the processFrancisUrquhart said:
He is at a conference and announced he would speak in French rather than (as expected) English, but English is now losing importance, followed by a big smirk.Big_G_NorthWales said:
What's he done nowFrancisUrquhart said:Drunker being a twat again. I am surprised may didn't hit him with her handbag when they had that dinner.
Isn't the whole point of Brexit to cease to be involved in the internal aspects of the EU? so what does it matter in choice of internal language used there0 -
Mr. B2, that is one way these results might actually affect the General Election vote, north of the border.
If the narrative is that the Conservatives are doing well and the Lib Dems/Labour are on their back, any unionist voting tactically will gravitate towards the blues.
That *may* happen and prove helpful in a few seats.0
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