@bbclaurak: Hearing fears at Labour HQ about blame game that's started already from the leadership
Obviously the Party is not far enough to the left to attract voters. Time to purge those pesky moderates? (Or time for those pesky moderates to purge themselves?)
Don't forget it's a rigged system and the Zionist run media are biased against them (including the guardian and the mirror).
Absolutely! When the revolution comes, the media will be the first against the wall.
And here I was getting ready to string up Remainers and lawyers...
Sorry. After the media it is heretics and apostates, followed by the upper class and then intellectuals. So we would be 4th or 5th assuming that they can find us.
@chrisdeerin: If swings to Tories in NE Scotland are indicative then Salmond is under threat in GE. Will Nicola want to put in the resource to save him?
Really funny - the BBC have changed their panel but Thornberry is still there. Mind you they only have Abbott and McDonnell as subs. Apart from Stephen Kinnock I have not seen another labour MP
I think I read somewhere that one broadcaster had to ask more than 70 Labour MPs before they got a taker.
Perhaps the deal is that whoever fronts the locals gets to go to the back of the queue for June 8/9th?
Drunker being a twat again. I am surprised may didn't hit him with her handbag when they had that dinner.
What's he done now
He is at a conference and announced he would speak in French rather than (as expected) English, but English is now losing importance, followed by a big smirk.
I can see the time coming when Theresa May halts all talks until he is removed from the process
Barnier is the negotiating contact for the EU. Halting all talks with the clock ticking towards hard Brexit is pretty certain to hasten an unplanned hard Brexit.
Isn't the whole point of Brexit to cease to be involved in the internal aspects of the EU? so what does it matter in choice of internal language used there
So be it - Junckers is a disgrace and needs to be taken out of the negotiations. Furthermore the idea that Theresa May can only deal with Barnier is for the birds.
Mrs May can only deal with whoever the EU says she can deal with. They *do* get to pick their team just as we get to choose ours.
Not at all - she will deal with whoever she wants to
Like Trump who allegedly asked Merkel 10 times for a trade deal with Germany before accepting that he could only deal with the European Commission?
She will deal with whoever she wants to
We do not get to choose their representatives any more than they get to choose ours.
The EU27 have chosen Barnier to represent them, and for no direct talks with individual countries. The EU27 have signed up to this unanimously. That is how a union works.
That is how remainers want it to work but a big fracture is on the horizon lead by the Irish, Dutch and Danes and the Prime Minister of the UK will not take lectures from the Eurocrats.
What's the message he is selling...Vote labour and send the country into chaos like when I was in government in Greece?
I am seriously struggling to understand what he thinks he is doing, he must be board, having an ex cabinet minister form one nation, come and campaign in local elections in another!.
But I would bet John McDonald would have thin nation, so brock it would be begging for money form the IMF in half the time it took he took.
I find it bizarre that certain sections of the media hold him up on some pedastool. A bloke elected as part of a party with a total bonkers manifesto that totally failed and was sacked after a few months.
Really funny - the BBC have changed their panel but Thornberry is still there. Mind you they only have Abbott and McDonnell as subs. Apart from Stephen Kinnock I have not seen another labour MP
Well Thornberry has been subbed by, of course, by Abbott
It seems to me on the results that Labour are holding up comparatively better in their "traditional heartlands", while falling back even further in Tory-held marginal territory. Wales being a good example of that in particular.
That's both good and bad news for Labour -- good in the short-term, because it does suggest losses in the GE will be more contained than suggested, because there's little sign that there's an extra-big swing to the Tories among the core Labour vote (therefore Lab's vote should stay relatively "efficient", getting more seats than a low voteshare would imply). But bad in the medium-/long-term, because it probably means they're going to be EPICALLY far behind in the Nuneaton-kind of seats which they would need to regain at some point if they EVER want to win a majority again.
A pointless leak as the whole point of briefing notes is they are spouted on telly and in the papers; they are not state secrets. They may as well have leaked the Tories' strong and stable slogan for the general election. Is it even a briefing note or a press release?
Are the Welsh results really pointing towards a Con 40: Lab 30 split ?
indies are messing up true comparisons, but i would say no. Labour are still strong in cardiff and newport. Tories will gain a handful of seats from labour nonetheless.
Drunker being a twat again. I am surprised may didn't hit him with her handbag when they had that dinner.
What's he done now
He is at a conference and announced he would speak in French rather than (as expected) English, but English is now losing importance, followed by a big smirk.
I can see the time coming when Theresa May halts all talks until he is removed from the process
Barnier is the negotiating contact for the EU. Halting all talks with the clock ticking towards hard Brexit is pretty certain to hasten an unplanned hard Brexit.
Isn't the whole point of Brexit to cease to be involved in the internal aspects of the EU? so what does it matter in choice of internal language used there
So be it - Junckers is a disgrace and needs to be taken out of the negotiations. Furthermore the idea that Theresa May can only deal with Barnier is for the birds.
Plenty of people warned idiots like her that Corbyn was bad news. And they were roundly poo-poohed. So tough shit for morons like her who waste newsprint parading their empty-headed self-righteousness and presumed - and unjustified - self-claimed moral superiority over the rest of us.
Perhaps if people like her had actually bothered to look into what Corbyn said and believed over the years and compared it to the values she claims to believe in, Labour might not now be in such a mess. I have very little sympathy for self-indulgent nitwits like her.
For those who - like SO - would like a decent social democratic/left of centre party to vote for, rather more so. Rather a lot in fact. We all lose out by not having a viable opposition party.
I hope the revenge - when it comes - on the Corbynites and their fellow travellers is so savage that they slink off into the darkest recesses where far left groupuscules are usually found, never to be heard of again.
If these local elections had been held before TM called the election I'm sure at this moment we'd be counting the hours till Corbyn resigned.
Even now I'm not convinced he'll carry on. The pressure of knowing he's the main cause of this humiliation you'd hope would be weighing heavily.
I've no idea what the mechanism is but there will be some very angry Labour people who have just lost their jobs or who are about to who will surely do something. Even Momentum can't now say it'll be alright on the night.
I just don't see Corbyn quitting. The line (I should say immortal line) from McDonnell this morning was that they have popular policies and the election rules meant that they would get a fair hearing in the media.
To me that sounds like the sound of hard reality hurtling towards the delicately framed delusion that the hard left is hard done by in the press. Popular policies are only good if they are part of balanced and realistic manifesto for government. Anyone can see that Corbyn can't even run the PLP.
@Edinburgh_CC: Results are in for Ward 3! Drum Brae/Gyle results: 3 elected Robert Aldridge (Lib Dem) Claire Bridgman (SNP) Mark Brown (Con) Turnout 52.2%
Looks like the Scottish Tory surge is very much real. Not going to ever hit the heights of the 1930's-50's when they were the dominant party there but they are on the up.
Of course having Corbyn doesn't help but that Labour brand in Scotland was badly damaged before he took over the leadership.
FWIW when the county elections were held on the same day as the GE in 2005. The votes of county wards when summed pretty much equalled the parliamentary constituency.
Unless we have evidence for differential turnout this time, what we see today might be a good guide to next month.
Of course there is differential turnout. Tories always vote, in whatever election. There was a very low turnout yesterday. Do you think there is "evidence" that the proportion of those who would vote Tory who stayed at home and the corresponding proportion of those who would vote Labour were about equal?
No differential turnout isn't a Tory thing, it's usually against whoever is in government. Tories in , it helps labour, labour in helps conservatives. What's extraordinary is in a low turnout seven years into a Tory government and we are not seeing obliteration in local elections.
There are lots of things going on.
Firstly, we're seven years into a Tory government, but five of those were a coalition. This has somewhat 'freshened' up the government.
Secondly, we've a new PM. Thatcher left after ten or eleven years, Blair after nine. May's leadership has also freshened up the Conservative party *before* they got into the usual policy vacuum that a party suffers in its second or third term. With the perceived toffs gone, the government looks different.
Thirdly, Brexit. This has revitalised the political scene as well, and has anecdotally (according to me!) bought non-voters out where traditional Labour voters might be staying at home.
Fourthly, Corbyn. He is the antithesis of electoral gold-dust. Electoral cholera, perhaps? People are voting Labour in spite of his leadership, not because of it.
Fifthly: UKIP are dying, and many (most?) of their voters appear to be going to the Conservatives, regardless of which party they supported before UKIP.
These are really unusual elections, and I doubt we'll ever see such a conglomeration of circumstances favouring the governing party again.
It bears certain echoes of the 1924 election. I was particularly struck by this quote, '..It makes my blood boil to read of the way which Mr. Zinoviev is speaking of the Prime Minister today. Though one time there went up a cry, "Hands off Russia", I think it's time somebody said to Russia, "Hands off England"...' which bears a certain resemblance to the recent utterances of Mrs. May.
Could Labour go the way of the old Liberal party ?
@C_GMcPherson: K Leslie elected for Tories in Burntisland, Kinghorn and W Kirkcaldy. She had to apologise last month for calling Sturgeon a 'drooling hag'
Nuttall has thrown in the towel for UKIP having a purpose any more.....
Well that's not surprising, UKIP are a party that has won the biggest and most important vote that this country has held in a generation. They've won.
Well the cause they supported won, be honest if Gove and Boris had been on the other side things would have been different. Cameron's decision to have a referendum vies with Labour MPs' decision to nominate Corbyn as the worst of the decade.
@C_GMcPherson: K Leslie elected for Tories in Burntisland, Kinghorn and W Kirkcaldy. She had to apologise last month for calling Sturgeon a 'drooling hag'
LOL!!! Now an essential on all election literature....
@Edinburgh_CC: Results are in for Ward 3! Drum Brae/Gyle results: 3 elected Robert Aldridge (Lib Dem) Claire Bridgman (SNP) Mark Brown (Con) Turnout 52.2%
Was LD, SNP, Lab in 2012 (with Lab elected in the first round)
Drunker being a twat again. I am surprised may didn't hit him with her handbag when they had that dinner.
What's he done now
He is at a conference and announced he would speak in French rather than (as expected) English, but English is now losing importance, followed by a big smirk.
I can see the time coming when Theresa May halts all talks until he is removed from the process
Barnier is the negotiating contact for the EU. Halting all talks with the clock ticking towards hard Brexit is pretty certain to hasten an unplanned hard Brexit.
Isn't the whole point of Brexit to cease to be involved in the internal aspects of the EU? so what does it matter in choice of internal language used there
So be it - Junckers is a disgrace and needs to be taken out of the negotiations. Furthermore the idea that Theresa May can only deal with Barnier is for the birds.
@PolhomeEditor: Alex Salmond: "By the end of today, Scotland will be the only place where the Conservatives have been beaten."
@C_KAndrews: Sen. Tory source: "Pretty confident now that we are outpolling SNP in @PerthandKinross substantially, and will be largest group on council."
I'm astonished that, firstly, Labour would Abbott to be seen on TV again and astonished that she has the self belief to get back on the horse.
Almost admirable
There is no one else
There was a report on here last night that one of the TV channels (Sky?) had contacted 70 Labour MPs and none of them would agree to appear on TV this morning. If true it is quite a testament to the state of the Labour party.
Nuttall has thrown in the towel for UKIP having a purpose any more.....
Well that's not surprising, UKIP are a party that has won the biggest and most important vote that this country has held in a generation. They've won.
Well the cause they supported won, be honest if Gove and Boris had been on the other side things would have been different. Cameron's decision to have a referendum vies with Labour MPs' decision to nominate Corbyn as the worst of the decade.
It was the timing and the way in which he pitched the idiotic 'renegotiation' that really screwed him. If he hadn't rushed it then he'd now be PM and we'd be heading towards a referendum this year in a climate that would have been much more favourable for Remain.
@C_GMcPherson: K Leslie elected for Tories in Burntisland, Kinghorn and W Kirkcaldy. She had to apologise last month for calling Sturgeon a 'drooling hag'
Drunker being a twat again. I am surprised may didn't hit him with her handbag when they had that dinner.
What's he done now
He is at a conference and announced he would speak in French rather than (as expected) English, but English is now losing importance, followed by a big smirk.
I can see the time coming when Theresa May halts all talks until he is removed from the process
Barnier is the negotiating contact for the EU. Halting all talks with the clock ticking towards hard Brexit is pretty certain to hasten an unplanned hard Brexit.
Isn't the whole point of Brexit to cease to be involved in the internal aspects of the EU? so what does it matter in choice of internal language used there
So be it - Junckers is a disgrace and needs to be taken out of the negotiations. Furthermore the idea that Theresa May can only deal with Barnier is for the birds.
Mr. B2, that is one way these results might actually affect the General Election vote, north of the border.
If the narrative is that the Conservatives are doing well and the Lib Dems/Labour are on their back, any unionist voting tactically will gravitate towards the blues.
That *may* happen and prove helpful in a few seats.
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You can reopen the actual one here https://goo.gl/uzcozl
Perhaps the deal is that whoever fronts the locals gets to go to the back of the queue for June 8/9th?
"Garçon" magazine, which is not a magazine for waiters, printed a topless (photoshopped) photo of Macron on their front cover.
SNP: 21 (-5)
CON: 18 (+11)
LAB: 13 (-3)
IND: 8 (-3)
LDEM: 1 (-1)
GRN: 1 (+1)
That's both good and bad news for Labour -- good in the short-term, because it does suggest losses in the GE will be more contained than suggested, because there's little sign that there's an extra-big swing to the Tories among the core Labour vote (therefore Lab's vote should stay relatively "efficient", getting more seats than a low voteshare would imply). But bad in the medium-/long-term, because it probably means they're going to be EPICALLY far behind in the Nuneaton-kind of seats which they would need to regain at some point if they EVER want to win a majority again.
@nickeardleybbc: Senior Tory sources say their vote is increasing a lot in many areas of Scotland they haven't done well in before
Those four, Burgon, Ashworth. Any others?
Anyway, attrition will start to take its toll.
To me that sounds like the sound of hard reality hurtling towards the delicately framed delusion that the hard left is hard done by in the press. Popular policies are only good if they are part of balanced and realistic manifesto for government. Anyone can see that Corbyn can't even run the PLP.
Almost admirable
She's standing in the right seat!
Robert Aldridge (Lib Dem)
Claire Bridgman (SNP)
Mark Brown (Con)
Turnout 52.2%
Of course having Corbyn doesn't help but that Labour brand in Scotland was badly damaged before he took over the leadership.
There have loads of declarations in Norfolk, check Andrew Sinclair's twitter.
'If the price of Britain is a Tory advance after taking up this patriotic cause then it is a price UKIP is prepared to pay'
In other news: North Korea accuses CIA of plot to assassinate Kim Jong-un with "biochemical substances"
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-39815561
Worrying.
Catastrophic
Tragic
Terrible
Devastating
Dreadful
Ruinous
Unsuccessful
Unfortunate
Grievous
Luckless
Doomed
Ill-Starred
Unlucky
Dreadful
Now which one SHOULD she use? Unlucky?
If she can manage that, she can manage this
Mind bleach is available this way ------------>
Kate Foale - Labour (2,051)
Trish-Roberts -Thompson - Conservative (1,269)
Sylvia Rule - Green (217)
Gav Slater - Liberal Democrat (387)
Read more at http://www.nottinghampost.com/live-updates-from-the-county-council-elections-in-nottinghamshire/story-30313347-detail/story.html#ezwUT5Jzm7ro1EU2.99
Easy win! So maybe ground game really does make a difference.
http://elections.norfolk.gov.uk/textresults.aspx
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The word I would use is "self-inflicted".
I was particularly struck by this quote,
'..It makes my blood boil to read of the way which Mr. Zinoviev is speaking of the Prime Minister today. Though one time there went up a cry, "Hands off Russia", I think it's time somebody said to Russia, "Hands off England"...'
which bears a certain resemblance to the recent utterances of Mrs. May.
Could Labour go the way of the old Liberal party ?
https://twitter.com/c_kandrews/status/860439326731194368
Expectation management right there
Slagging off potential voters always works....
Cameron's decision to have a referendum vies with Labour MPs' decision to nominate Corbyn as the worst of the decade.
Lib Dem source says Tories in the lead for the West Midlands mayoralty. Their intel is usually good.
I'm looking forward to Abbott eating her hostage to fortune on that one...
Labour out to 3.0 on bf exchange for wm mayor
@PolhomeEditor: Alex Salmond: "By the end of today, Scotland will be the only place where the Conservatives have been beaten."
@C_KAndrews: Sen. Tory source: "Pretty confident now that we are outpolling SNP in @PerthandKinross substantially, and will be largest group on council."
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Tories gain a seat from SNP in the first Angus result with sitting Kirriemuir and Dean councillor Jeanette Gaul losing her seat.
If the narrative is that the Conservatives are doing well and the Lib Dems/Labour are on their back, any unionist voting tactically will gravitate towards the blues.
That *may* happen and prove helpful in a few seats.