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Diane on SKY News now0
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Her comes diane abbott on sky...0
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Except that underneath I expect Labour is getting some returning votes from UKIP which are being cancelled out by the people switching away from Labour. It isn't credible that every single UKIP voter is switching to the Tories, not least because in the lot of places uKiP attracted a lot of NOTA and anyone-but-Tory votes in the first place.FF43 said:
Am I right in thinking the Conservatives are picking up seats from everyone but votes almost entirely from UKIP, with a smallish gain from Labour, compared with the previous election?NickPalmer said:
That sounds plausible, but we'll have a lot more data today. The results so far are actually better than the 15-20-point lead in polls, especially in most of Wales despite expectations. But the West Country result is great for the Torie and clearly Destroy UKIP is working very well in their favour.CarlottaVance said:@NumbrCruncherPolitics:
Swing from LAB to CON running at about 7%. Suggests a similar national margin for the Tories as in 1982, which was during the Falklands War
That means high single digits or low double digits, depending on later results, turnout patterns, and so on...
On the last thread, IanB2 said Labour tended to do better in local elections than national. Is that actually correct? The LibDems do, but Labour?
If so, Corbyn isn't THE problem for Labour, although he clearly doesn't improve their chances.0 -
+1Cyclefree said:
Plenty of people warned idiots like her that Corbyn was bad news. And they were roundly poo-poohed. So tough shit for morons like her who waste newsprint parading their empty-headed self-righteousness and presumed - and unjustified - self-claimed moral superiority over the rest of us.SeanT said:
Perhaps if people like her had actually bothered to look into what Corbyn said and believed over the years and compared it to the values she claims to believe in, Labour might not now be in such a mess. I have very little sympathy for self-indulgent nitwits like her.
For those who - like SO - would like a decent social democratic/left of centre party to vote for, rather more so. Rather a lot in fact. We all lose out by not having a viable opposition party.
I hope the revenge - when it comes - on the Corbynites and their fellow travellers is so savage that they slink off into the darkest recesses where far left groupuscules are usually found, never to be heard of again.0 -
West Ham's recent record v Spurs W4 D 1 L3.freetochoose said:
That's good news.chestnut said:
West Ham have no one fit in their front line (waiting on Carroll) - story of the season.freetochoose said:I'm going to West Ham v Spurs tonight, astonished to see Spurs are 2/5. OK they're on fire and West Ham are rubbish but this is their biggest game of the season, 2/5 is just wrong.
Won't be laying it myself but neutrals might consider it.
Don't get me wrong Spurs are far better all over the pitch but I'm scarred by previous experiences.
At full strength, West Ham would win.0 -
West Ham are 7-1. I have had a little nibble.freetochoose said:
That's good news.chestnut said:
West Ham have no one fit in their front line (waiting on Carroll) - story of the season.freetochoose said:I'm going to West Ham v Spurs tonight, astonished to see Spurs are 2/5. OK they're on fire and West Ham are rubbish but this is their biggest game of the season, 2/5 is just wrong.
Won't be laying it myself but neutrals might consider it.
Don't get me wrong Spurs are far better all over the pitch but I'm scarred by previous experiences.
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@MrHarryCole: Diane Abbott on Sky News. Says Labour has lost 300,000 seats... no, wait... 80 million.0
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You can see the cogs grinding in Abbott's limited mind can't you.0
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Cambs looks like it might be better than average for the LDs. I believe Farron is going there today.0
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No, they take account of election results - it'll be two Tories an SNP and one other from now on.Scott_P said:0 -
Was it because they only spent 2p per seat on campaigning?Scott_P said:@MrHarryCole: Diane Abbott on Sky News. Says Labour has lost 300,000 seats... no, wait... 80 million.
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When knocking up its generally better not to send all the activists to the same street.Theuniondivvie said:0 -
Abbott dying now in regards to Andy Burnham resigning.0
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@nickeardleybbc: Lib Dems think they're doing very well in wards that make up Edinburgh West - their big target seat in capital on 8 June0
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Oh dear God, someone put Abbott out of her misery.0
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Kippers were vehemently anti Cameron, they like May, think Corbyn is a nutter.IanB2 said:
Except that underneath I expect Labour is getting some returning votes from UKIP which are being cancelled out by the people switching away from Labour. It isn't credible that every single UKIP voter is switching to the Tories, not least because in the lot of places uKiP attracted a lot of NOTA and anyone-but-Tory votes in the first place.FF43 said:
Am I right in thinking the Conservatives are picking up seats from everyone but votes almost entirely from UKIP, with a smallish gain from Labour, compared with the previous election?NickPalmer said:
That sounds plausible, but we'll have a lot more data today. The results so far are actually better than the 15-20-point lead in polls, especially in most of Wales despite expectations. But the West Country result is great for the Torie and clearly Destroy UKIP is working very well in their favour.CarlottaVance said:@NumbrCruncherPolitics:
Swing from LAB to CON running at about 7%. Suggests a similar national margin for the Tories as in 1982, which was during the Falklands War
That means high single digits or low double digits, depending on later results, turnout patterns, and so on...
On the last thread, IanB2 said Labour tended to do better in local elections than national. Is that actually correct? The LibDems do, but Labour?
If so, Corbyn isn't THE problem for Labour, although he clearly doesn't improve their chances.
The vast majority of kippers will now happily vote Conservative as I said last week and as results are showing. Its the main reason why she'll win an enormous majority.0 -
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You don't see a result like this very often:
http://www.northumberland.gov.uk/NorthumberlandCountyCouncil/media/Councillors-and-Democracy/County Council Election Results 2017/South-Blyth-Divison.pdf0 -
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FWIW most of us NATs have always cared about the day job !!MonikerDiCanio said:
Panic stations as suddenly the day job is oh so important for our Nat day dreamers.Theuniondivvie said:
You've got your finger on the fluttering pulse of the SConosphere, doncha? Surely you must have some examples of vibrant policies that SCon led councils would be enacting? Perhaps they'd follow the courageous example of S.Ayrshire council over the named child scheme for example?Scott_P said:
LOLTheuniondivvie said:It'll certainly come as a nasty shock to any SCons that do win outright when they discover that 'No to a second referendum' does not a council run.
But Tories, the Tories, Westminster, the Tories, THE TORIES is how you run a country...0 -
Has it happened for a parliamentary election?AndyJS said:You don't see a result like this very often:
http://www.northumberland.gov.uk/NorthumberlandCountyCouncil/media/Councillors-and-Democracy/County Council Election Results 2017/South-Blyth-Divison.pdf0 -
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What's the message he is selling...Vote labour and send the country into chaos like when I was in government in Greece?Theuniondivvie said:0 -
My experience is that the French are pretty relaxed about speaking English. Macron, for example, has no problem using it. Le Pen is more guarded, but I think she speaks fluent English as well. It is the de facto language of Europe now and this is not going to change. Juncker knows that. But he also seems to enjoy winding-up people in the UK - who, let's face it, are looking for reasons to be wound up.SeanT said:
Also complete bollocks, of course. The overwhelming dominance of English as a second language - and as a first global language in social media, business, travel, science, the Net - means it HAS to be the EU's working language. Indeed the departure of the UK might make that easier for the French to bear, emotionally.FrancisUrquhart said:
He is at a conference and announced he would speak in French rather than (as expected) English, but English is now losing importance, followed by a big smirk.Big_G_NorthWales said:
What's he done nowFrancisUrquhart said:Drunker being a twat again. I am surprised may didn't hit him with her handbag when they had that dinner.
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Take your pick
@BethRigby: Abbott fascinating there on @SkyNews. She sees confident that Labour would take West Mids. Suggested it three times. #LocalElections2017
@MrHarryCole: Tory Minister suspects the party has "smashed it" in West Midlands Mayoral.0 -
Are the Labour and UKIP candidates Mr and Mrs Potts?RobD said:
Has it happened for a parliamentary election?AndyJS said:You don't see a result like this very often:
http://www.northumberland.gov.uk/NorthumberlandCountyCouncil/media/Councillors-and-Democracy/County Council Election Results 2017/South-Blyth-Divison.pdf0 -
All rounders like the Saffers at St Johns in 2005:Scrapheap_as_was said:
another nightmare is when you are a team of 'all rounders' in not being good at betting or bowling so the skipper gives everyone an over when things going tits up.... even changing keeper.... there's no room on the page.TheScreamingEagles said:Still giggling at how many scorers we have on PB.
Unsurprising, but still amusing.
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Labour have a big headstart. Tories coming close would be a good result.Scott_P said:Take your pick
@BethRigby: Abbott fascinating there on @SkyNews. She sees confident that Labour would take West Mids. Suggested it three times. #LocalElections2017
@MrHarryCole: Tory Minister suspects the party has "smashed it" in West Midlands Mayoral.0 -
Wonder if Gina will test (1) in the courts !!ThreeQuidder said:
No, here's the fundamental objection:Theuniondivvie said:ThreeQuidder said:
No, the objections are more fundamental than that.Theuniondivvie said:
I suppose you Yoons have to hope so, otherwise Tessy's objections to Indy Ref II are naught but dust.MonikerDiCanio said:
Scottish politics is in turmoil for sure. The Scottish Conservatives might even edge the Nats today.david_herdson said:
I have seen at least one Scottish subsample for a Westminster VI with Labour on 6% but no, I don't think it's likely.MonikerDiCanio said:
It isn't credible.SeanT said:
6%MonikerDiCanio said:
Prof Fisher predicting SLab to get 6 % in Scotland.CarlottaVance said:Prof Fisher on the Scottish locals:
https://electionsetc.com/2017/05/03/scottish-local-elections-forecast-2017/
CON 287 +172
LAB 75 -319
LD 82 +11
SNP 553 +129
GRN 12 -2
Jeezo
Apart from anything else, STV and the cautious nominations made by other parties will protect them from a complete wipeout.
“We will also be looking forward to the local elections in May, when voters across Scotland will have the chance to send a clear message to the SNP that they do not want a second independence referendum, by voting Scottish Conservative and Unionist on 4 May.”
But, but, but Tessy has spoken!
In any case any objections you might have aren't really in the running.
(1) The Scottish Parliament does not have the legal power to call a referendum
(2) The UK Parliament will only grant a referendum pursuant to an agreement between the UK and Scottish governments
(3) To get an agreement, the Scottish government will have to break the existing agreement
(4) Yeah, good luck with that.0 -
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Sky talking heads are still obsessed with the narrative that people are only remainers / leavers and confused why they don't seem to be voting along those lines.0
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I would not have thought - given that 30% of results have now been declared - that Labour's losses in England will match the 315 predicted by Professor Fisher.0
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Best of luck, Mr. Pulpstar.
Mr. Rex, I listened to the audio commentary (Chinese, with subtitles) of House of Flying Daggers, with the director and female lead (Zhang Ziyi, I think). She dipped occasionally into English, the word that stood out for me was 'gentlemen'. It was a bit like Welsh radio, when a wall of incomprehensible words suddenly has a familiar one, before returning to unfamiliar sounds.0 -
Not in modern times. According to the IndependentRobD said:
Has it happened for a parliamentary election?AndyJS said:You don't see a result like this very often:
http://www.northumberland.gov.uk/NorthumberlandCountyCouncil/media/Councillors-and-Democracy/County Council Election Results 2017/South-Blyth-Divison.pdf
"In the 1886 general election, there was a tie in Ashton-under-Lyne, with the Liberal and Conservative candidates each receiving 3,049 votes. The (Acting) Returning Officer gave his casting vote to the Conservative, John Addison."0 -
Do you think the Potts were related...?AndyJS said:You don't see a result like this very often:
http://www.northumberland.gov.uk/NorthumberlandCountyCouncil/media/Councillors-and-Democracy/County Council Election Results 2017/South-Blyth-Divison.pdf0 -
The returning officer sounds like a sensible chapRichard_Tyndall said:
Not in modern times. According to the IndependentRobD said:
Has it happened for a parliamentary election?AndyJS said:You don't see a result like this very often:
http://www.northumberland.gov.uk/NorthumberlandCountyCouncil/media/Councillors-and-Democracy/County Council Election Results 2017/South-Blyth-Divison.pdf
"In the 1886 general election, there was a tie in Ashton-under-Lyne, with the Liberal and Conservative candidates each receiving 3,049 votes. The (Acting) Returning Officer gave his casting vote to the Conservative, John Addison."
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I once had a match where they actually managed to get 17 overs in the last hour. But everyone shook hands on a draw after 15 overs, so I started doing my end of match tallying - and then I looked up to see another over and a half had been bowled. Fortunately, the last two overs consisted of 12 blocks.TheScreamingEagles said:
Another nightmare, when the umpire can't count, and we get a 5 or 7 ball over.Scrapheap_as_was said:
another nightmare is when you are a team of 'all rounders' in not being good at betting or bowling so the skipper gives everyone an over when things going tits up.... even changing keeper.... there's no room on the page.TheScreamingEagles said:Still giggling at how many scorers we have on PB.
Unsurprising, but still amusing.
God, I wanted to walk onto the pitch and give him a slap.0 -
Just crunched the numbers for Blyth Valley parliamentary constituency. I make it Conservative by 73 votes.0
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Tories have won it imo. Might be a recount though.TheWhiteRabbit said:
Labour have a big headstart. Tories coming close would be a good result.Scott_P said:Take your pick
@BethRigby: Abbott fascinating there on @SkyNews. She sees confident that Labour would take West Mids. Suggested it three times. #LocalElections2017
@MrHarryCole: Tory Minister suspects the party has "smashed it" in West Midlands Mayoral.0 -
Many many years ago I had a welsh room mate. I was astounded to hear him talking in Welsh on the phone and suddenly saying 'greenhouse heater'!Morris_Dancer said:Best of luck, Mr. Pulpstar.
Mr. Rex, I listened to the audio commentary (Chinese, with subtitles) of House of Flying Daggers, with the director and female lead (Zhang Ziyi, I think). She dipped occasionally into English, the word that stood out for me was 'gentlemen'. It was a bit like Welsh radio, when a wall of incomprehensible words suddenly has a familiar one, before returning to unfamiliar sounds.0 -
I'm on him at 20s (Oct 2015), 22s (March 2016), and 25s (June 2016). And now 33s (May 2017) - thanks for the heads up.Scott_P said:
Almost a cast iron certainty, therefore, that he will pull out and become head of the World Bank, or somesuch.0 -
@C_JWatson: Big news is that #Conservatives have finished second behind #Labour and ahead of #SNP in West Fife VillagesScott_P said:0 -
A friend of mine was in a pub in north Wales when the football was on. He asked one of the regulars why, if they all spoke Welsh, they were swearing at the referee in English. The response delivered with a pitying look was "Because if we swore at him in Welsh he wouldn't bloody understand us, would he?"Blue_rog said:
Many many years ago I had a welsh room mate. I was astounded to hear him talking in Welsh on the phone and suddenly saying 'greenhouse heater'!Morris_Dancer said:Best of luck, Mr. Pulpstar.
Mr. Rex, I listened to the audio commentary (Chinese, with subtitles) of House of Flying Daggers, with the director and female lead (Zhang Ziyi, I think). She dipped occasionally into English, the word that stood out for me was 'gentlemen'. It was a bit like Welsh radio, when a wall of incomprehensible words suddenly has a familiar one, before returning to unfamiliar sounds.0 -
the good thing about my scenario though is its the other team scoring that chaosTheScreamingEagles said:
Another nightmare, when the umpire can't count, and we get a 5 or 7 ball over.Scrapheap_as_was said:
another nightmare is when you are a team of 'all rounders' in not being good at betting or bowling so the skipper gives everyone an over when things going tits up.... even changing keeper.... there's no room on the page.TheScreamingEagles said:Still giggling at how many scorers we have on PB.
Unsurprising, but still amusing.
God, I wanted to walk onto the pitch and give him a slap.0 -
FWIW when the county elections were held on the same day as the GE in 2005. The votes of county wards when summed pretty much equalled the parliamentary constituency.
Unless we have evidence for differential turnout this time, what we see today might be a good guide to next month.0 -
3 new seats for Conservatives in Pembrokeshire0
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https://twitter.com/britainelects/status/860425766751924224
already tories have gained 2 seats in scotland!0 -
I am seriously struggling to understand what he thinks he is doing, he must be board, having an ex cabinet minister form one nation, come and campaign in local elections in another!.FrancisUrquhart said:
What's the message he is selling...Vote labour and send the country into chaos like when I was in government in Greece?Theuniondivvie said:
But I would bet John McDonald would have thin nation, so brock it would be begging for money form the IMF in half the time it took he took.0 -
That's not what I meant by "disconnect". Grammar schools have nothing to do with the issue.HYUFD said:
No there isn't, that is why the Tories will also allow grammar schools to expand tooCyan said:
Envy? You must be joking! But I realise you aren't. There's a total disconnect here.HYUFD said:
Our private schools are the best schools in the world and provide scholarships and bursaries too, politics of envy will not save LabourCyan said:
NATO membership, nuclear weapons, the monarchy, private schools - none of these would remain if their reality and significance were laid bare and debated.RobD said:
It'd be interesting to see just how low the poll ratings go.Cyan said:
That would be great, but I doubt it will happen. If Corbyn had a stronger backbone he wouldkle4 said:Is Corbyn proposing to make abolishing the monarchy Labour Party policy? NickP was agreeing the a guardian article that suggested he should go big and radical, all out, and that would certainly be it.
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• leave NATO
• get rid of nuclear weapons
• abolish the monarchy
• smash the private schools by one means or another
Want to know which of them is the key? The last one: the private schools. I haven't met a single person with a deep understanding of Britain who doesn't realise that.
The disconnect is between those such as myself and David Cornwell (aka John Le Carré) on one side, and those such as yourself and Mortimer, who defend the existence of private schools, on the other. There is nothing there to "envy", and it speaks volumes about the mindset to assert that "all right minded people" defend their existence.
There is also an amazing disconnect with reality and the usual customs of rational thought when you assert that British private schools are "the best schools in the world". Clearly there is a loyalty thing going on there.
In Cornwell's words
"It is difficult to imagine the reform of British society without the abolition of the public schools, starting with Eton... I am afraid, when I'm dictator of England, I shall do it."
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The surge is ON!nunu said:https://twitter.com/britainelects/status/860425766751924224
already tories have gained 2 seats in scotland!0 -
@rjcurran2: First result : Banff & District. 3 candidates elected, Mike Roy Cons , John Cox Indy, Glen Reynolds SNP pic.twitter.com/dRDeS2x84G
@abowie4WAK: First result from @Aberdeenshire...Banff and District. Conservative WIN. Mike Roy 1509 votes, SNP 1049. #council170 -
Kinnock is surely, surely doing this as a proxy for some other candidate or candidates. He's just not credible as a successor to Corbyn. Any sensible, genuine candidate will be keeping their head down until June 9th.TOPPING said:
I'm on him at 20s (Oct 2015), 22s (March 2016), and 25s (June 2016). And now 33s (May 2017) - thanks for the heads up.Scott_P said:
Almost a cast iron certainty, therefore, that he will pull out and become head of the World Bank, or somesuch.0 -
365 have cut their 10 and under band for the LDs from 9/1 to 9/2. it was 14/1 just a week ago.
their O/U is now down to 17.5.0 -
I find it bizarre that certain sections of the media hold him up on some pedastool. A bloke elected as part of a party with a total bonkers manifesto that totally failed and was sacked after a few months.BigRich said:
I am seriously struggling to understand what he thinks he is doing, he must be board, having an ex cabinet minister form one nation, come and campaign in local elections in another!.FrancisUrquhart said:
What's the message he is selling...Vote labour and send the country into chaos like when I was in government in Greece?Theuniondivvie said:
But I would bet John McDonald would have thin nation, so brock it would be begging for money form the IMF in half the time it took he took.0 -
He's not exactly Anthony Meyer, though...SirNorfolkPassmore said:
Kinnock is surely, surely doing this as a proxy for some other candidate or candidates. He's just not credible as a successor to Corbyn. Any sensible, genuine candidate will be keeping their head down until June 9th.TOPPING said:
I'm on him at 20s (Oct 2015), 22s (March 2016), and 25s (June 2016). And now 33s (May 2017) - thanks for the heads up.Scott_P said:
Almost a cast iron certainty, therefore, that he will pull out and become head of the World Bank, or somesuch.0 -
According to the results sheet it wasn't a dead heat just a win by one vote. I guess they were offered a straw draw instead of a (or another?) recount.RobD said:
Has it happened for a parliamentary election?AndyJS said:You don't see a result like this very often:
http://www.northumberland.gov.uk/NorthumberlandCountyCouncil/media/Councillors-and-Democracy/County Council Election Results 2017/South-Blyth-Divison.pdf
Winchester 1997 was a win by 2 votes after several recounts (later a legal challenge resulted in a by-election).0 -
@DeanLockhartMSP: Stirling ward 1- T@T 2 Conservative, 1 SNP0
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Last week in a car in Sweden the driver was having a conversation over the phone.Carolus_Rex said:
A friend of mine was in a pub in north Wales when the football was on. He asked one of the regulars why, if they all spoke Welsh, they were swearing at the referee in English. The response delivered with a pitying look was "Because if we swore at him in Welsh he wouldn't bloody understand us, would he?"Blue_rog said:
Many many years ago I had a welsh room mate. I was astounded to hear him talking in Welsh on the phone and suddenly saying 'greenhouse heater'!Morris_Dancer said:Best of luck, Mr. Pulpstar.
Mr. Rex, I listened to the audio commentary (Chinese, with subtitles) of House of Flying Daggers, with the director and female lead (Zhang Ziyi, I think). She dipped occasionally into English, the word that stood out for me was 'gentlemen'. It was a bit like Welsh radio, when a wall of incomprehensible words suddenly has a familiar one, before returning to unfamiliar sounds.
..... context ...... is one bit I remember as English words crept into the conversation...0 -
Any good place to watch the Scotland results come in? I'm thinking a table, but the BBC's doesn't seem to be updating.0
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If Simon wins it will be very close and very surprising. One thing is certain: in the GE the Midlands are going to be catastrophic for Labour.Scott_P said:Take your pick
@BethRigby: Abbott fascinating there on @SkyNews. She sees confident that Labour would take West Mids. Suggested it three times. #LocalElections2017
@MrHarryCole: Tory Minister suspects the party has "smashed it" in West Midlands Mayoral.
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Of course there is differential turnout. Tories always vote, in whatever election. There was a very low turnout yesterday. Do you think there is "evidence" that the proportion of those who would vote Tory who stayed at home and the corresponding proportion of those who would vote Labour were about equal?Jonathan said:FWIW when the county elections were held on the same day as the GE in 2005. The votes of county wards when summed pretty much equalled the parliamentary constituency.
Unless we have evidence for differential turnout this time, what we see today might be a good guide to next month.
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@bbclaurak: Hearing fears at Labour HQ about blame game that's started already from the leadership0
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Lib Dems now have gone odds against in Carshalton and Wallington. Tories now 4/60
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If these local elections had been held before TM called the election I'm sure at this moment we'd be counting the hours till Corbyn resigned.Cyclefree said:
Plenty of people warned idiots like her that Corbyn was bad news. And they were roundly poo-poohed. So tough shit for morons like her who waste newsprint parading their empty-headed self-righteousness and presumed - and unjustified - self-claimed moral superiority over the rest of us.SeanT said:
Perhaps if people like her had actually bothered to look into what Corbyn said and believed over the years and compared it to the values she claims to believe in, Labour might not now be in such a mess. I have very little sympathy for self-indulgent nitwits like her.
For those who - like SO - would like a decent social democratic/left of centre party to vote for, rather more so. Rather a lot in fact. We all lose out by not having a viable opposition party.
I hope the revenge - when it comes - on the Corbynites and their fellow travellers is so savage that they slink off into the darkest recesses where far left groupuscules are usually found, never to be heard of again.
Even now I'm not convinced he'll carry on. The pressure of knowing he's the main cause of this humiliation you'd hope would be weighing heavily.
I've no idea what the mechanism is but there will be some very angry Labour people who have just lost their jobs or who are about to who will surely do something. Even Momentum can't now say it'll be alright on the night.0 -
11 and under with PP is now 5/4paulyork64 said:365 have cut their 10 and under band for the LDs from 9/1 to 9/2. it was 14/1 just a week ago.
their O/U is now down to 17.5.0 -
Just catching up with the results. Looks like a horrible result for Labour and a poor result for the Lib Dems, confirms their 10-12% national poll rating as well IMO. Not what they want in the run up to the election.0
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Yeah there can't be many people switching from Farage to Corbyn. It would be like switching from Liverpool to Everton, theoretically possible but not likely.freetochoose said:Kippers were vehemently anti Cameron, they like May, think Corbyn is a nutter.
The vast majority of kippers will now happily vote Conservative as I said last week and as results are showing. Its the main reason why she'll win an enormous majority.
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Andy street 1.8 on Bf exchangeSouthamObserver said:
If Simon wins it will be very close and very surprising. One thing is certain: in the GE the Midlands are going to be catastrophic for Labour.Scott_P said:Take your pick
@BethRigby: Abbott fascinating there on @SkyNews. She sees confident that Labour would take West Mids. Suggested it three times. #LocalElections2017
@MrHarryCole: Tory Minister suspects the party has "smashed it" in West Midlands Mayoral.0 -
https://twitter.com/bbcphilipsim/status/860422359202902016RobD said:Any good place to watch the Scotland results come in? I'm thinking a table, but the BBC's doesn't seem to be updating.
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Is it that hard for them to keep a tableScott_P said:
https://twitter.com/bbcphilipsim/status/860422359202902016RobD said:Any good place to watch the Scotland results come in? I'm thinking a table, but the BBC's doesn't seem to be updating.
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@C_JWatson: Fife SNP leader Neale Hanvey misses out. Big shock there. Conservatives on a roll so far0
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You see it on European tv programmes as well and the ads....That always gets me that the ads so often mix native language with some slogans or tag line in English.SeanT said:
Young people in many countries now speak an englished version of their own language. Where English words, sentences and idioms are slipped in to the dialogue. Sometimes they simply switch to English.eek said:
Last week in a car in Sweden the driver was having a conversation over the phone.Carolus_Rex said:
A friend of mine was in a pub in north Wales when the football was on. He asked one of the regulars why, if they all spoke Welsh, they were swearing at the referee in English. The response delivered with a pitying look was "Because if we swore at him in Welsh he wouldn't bloody understand us, would he?"Blue_rog said:
Many many years ago I had a welsh room mate. I was astounded to hear him talking in Welsh on the phone and suddenly saying 'greenhouse heater'!Morris_Dancer said:Best of luck, Mr. Pulpstar.
Mr. Rex, I listened to the audio commentary (Chinese, with subtitles) of House of Flying Daggers, with the director and female lead (Zhang Ziyi, I think). She dipped occasionally into English, the word that stood out for me was 'gentlemen'. It was a bit like Welsh radio, when a wall of incomprehensible words suddenly has a familiar one, before returning to unfamiliar sounds.
..... context ...... is one bit I remember as English words crept into the conversation...
It's fascinating to overhear. I've experienced it round the world. Especially with rich people0 -
It's the Tories fault for being too damn good at electionsScott_P said:
The briefing from labour HQ is that team Corbyn are blaming everyone but themselvesRoger said:Even now I'm not convinced he'll carry on. The pressure of knowing he's the main cause of this humiliation must be weighing heavily.
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@StAndrewsCit: Ward 2 result Dinner line North Ellis (Con) 1264 Ferguson (SNP) 1186 Law (lab) 8630
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Obviously the Party is not far enough to the left to attract voters. Time to purge those pesky moderates? (Or time for those pesky moderates to purge themselves?)Scott_P said:@bbclaurak: Hearing fears at Labour HQ about blame game that's started already from the leadership
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Numbers for Wansbeck parliamentary constituency. (More difficult as 2 wards shared with Berwick), and less reliable as much bigger Ind. vote than Blyth Valley.
Labour by c. 2500 votes.0 -
@abowie4WAK: First Aberdeen City result- Conservatives WIN DYCE AND BUCKSBURN!!! 2020 votes to SNP 1670. Labour a poor third.0
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No differential turnout isn't a Tory thing, it's usually against whoever is in government. Tories in , it helps labour, labour in helps conservatives. What's extraordinary is in a low turnout seven years into a Tory government and we are not seeing obliteration in local elections.Cyan said:
Of course there is differential turnout. Tories always vote, in whatever election. There was a very low turnout yesterday. Do you think there is "evidence" that the proportion of those who would vote Tory who stayed at home and the corresponding proportion of those who would vote Labour were about equal?Jonathan said:FWIW when the county elections were held on the same day as the GE in 2005. The votes of county wards when summed pretty much equalled the parliamentary constituency.
Unless we have evidence for differential turnout this time, what we see today might be a good guide to next month.0 -
is Scott_P only posting results good for the Tories, or has the surge turned into a tsunami? 0
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Fife SNP leader not elected!
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Don't forget it's a rigged system and the Zionist run media are biased against them (including the guardian and the mirror).Beverley_C said:
Obviously the Party is not far enough to the left to attract voters. Time to purge those pesky moderates? (Or time for those pesky moderates to purge themselves?)Scott_P said:@bbclaurak: Hearing fears at Labour HQ about blame game that's started already from the leadership
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That's not correct but 8/11 under 23.5 ld seats looks cracking valuetimmo said:
11 and under with PP is now 5/4paulyork64 said:365 have cut their 10 and under band for the LDs from 9/1 to 9/2. it was 14/1 just a week ago.
their O/U is now down to 17.5.0 -
Barnier is the negotiating contact for the EU. Halting all talks with the clock ticking towards hard Brexit is pretty certain to hasten an unplanned hard Brexit.Big_G_NorthWales said:
I can see the time coming when Theresa May halts all talks until he is removed from the processFrancisUrquhart said:
He is at a conference and announced he would speak in French rather than (as expected) English, but English is now losing importance, followed by a big smirk.Big_G_NorthWales said:
What's he done nowFrancisUrquhart said:Drunker being a twat again. I am surprised may didn't hit him with her handbag when they had that dinner.
Isn't the whole point of Brexit to cease to be involved in the internal aspects of the EU? so what does it matter in choice of internal language used there0 -
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Linguists call this "code switching". Spoken Welsh is well-known for it, to the exrent that there is quite a difference between everyday spoken Welsh and written or "literary" Welsh. This is not an uncommon feature in languages.SeanT said:
Young people in many countries now speak an englished version of their own language. Where English words, sentences and idioms are slipped in to the dialogue. Sometimes they simply switch to English.eek said:
Last week in a car in Sweden the driver was having a conversation over the phone.Carolus_Rex said:
A friend of mine was in a pub in north Wales when the football was on. He asked one of the regulars why, if they all spoke Welsh, they were swearing at the referee in English. The response delivered with a pitying look was "Because if we swore at him in Welsh he wouldn't bloody understand us, would he?"Blue_rog said:
Many many years ago I had a welsh room mate. I was astounded to hear him talking in Welsh on the phone and suddenly saying 'greenhouse heater'!Morris_Dancer said:Best of luck, Mr. Pulpstar.
Mr. Rex, I listened to the audio commentary (Chinese, with subtitles) of House of Flying Daggers, with the director and female lead (Zhang Ziyi, I think). She dipped occasionally into English, the word that stood out for me was 'gentlemen'. It was a bit like Welsh radio, when a wall of incomprehensible words suddenly has a familiar one, before returning to unfamiliar sounds.
..... context ...... is one bit I remember as English words crept into the conversation...
It's fascinating to overhear. I've experienced it round the world. Especially with rich people0 -
@StirlingCitySNP: After redistribution:
1 Earl (Tory)
2 McDonald (Tory)
3 Tweed (SNP)
SNP loses Fergus Wood.
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Bad news for Norman Lamb in North Norfolk is that there are 8,300 UKIP votes for the Tories to plunder.... I think he has gone.0
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What was the turnout yesterday? It was 34% in the English local elections last year.
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Unless the moderates split off. After June 9th they have 5 years to get everything in place.SirNorfolkPassmore said:
Kinnock is surely, surely doing this as a proxy for some other candidate or candidates. He's just not credible as a successor to Corbyn. Any sensible, genuine candidate will be keeping their head down until June 9th.TOPPING said:
I'm on him at 20s (Oct 2015), 22s (March 2016), and 25s (June 2016). And now 33s (May 2017) - thanks for the heads up.Scott_P said:
Almost a cast iron certainty, therefore, that he will pull out and become head of the World Bank, or somesuch.
Why challenge Corbyn when you van leave him to rot in a party of 30 MPs?0 -
I actually think this is a worse day for try Lib Dems than it is for Labour. Everyone expected Labour to get hammered, but the Lib Dems have been banging on about how their share has been rising in local by elections and how the national poll rating doesn't reflect the real position of the party in the nation. Clearly the Lib Dems are kidding themselves. In the run up to the GE this is going to completely derail their campaign.0
