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I could not begin to guess - Corbyn's entire leadership has defied my view of politics. As I think he would be a terrible PM, and even a reasonable loss would leave him as a terrible opposition leader, I hope that he does not defy my view further by doing ok.justin124 said:
Do you believe he thinks he can conduct a Bernie Sanders campaign?kle4 said:
Either he thinks quitting now would be even worse for his cause, or he is hoping like hell for a black swan event, or he genuinely thinks he can win.justin124 said:
What genuinely puzzles me is why Corbyn is putting himself through this campaign only to face heavy defeat and humiliation. Within four months of the election he will have been ousted - if he fails to stand down. It seems an act of pure masochism which sits alongside his lack of core survival instincts evidenced by his failure to block the election.kle4 said:
It was a supposition.bobajobPB said:
Where is your evidence that Corbyn would win a contest in the event of a defeat? I believe polling of the selectorate shows otherwise...kle4 said:
No need to overreact - in a world where they are apparently planning for Corbyn to stay on even if Lab suffer a landslide loss, and would likely win a contest, why not Abbott?TheScreamingEagles said:PB will be offline for a bit whilst I delete the thread I wrote earlier on this year, tipping Diane Abbott as next Labour leader.
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Love it.foxinsoxuk said:
The best caricature of May is this one:Ishmael_Z said:
So weak. Seriously, it's not just that that doesn't work as an attack line, but you can't even reverse engineer it so as to see why anyone would have thought or hoped it might work. May is just resolutely and depressingly (to opponents and caricaturists) normal.Scott_P said:@kezdugdale: Some strong and stable chip eating here... https://twitter.com/kezdugdale/status/859500151920054272/photo/1
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Or winning a GE isn't the objective.kle4 said:
Either he thinks quitting now would be even worse for his cause, or he is hoping like hell for a black swan event, or he genuinely thinks he can win.justin124 said:
What genuinely puzzles me is why Corbyn is putting himself through this campaign only to face heavy defeat and humiliation. Within four months of the election he will have been ousted - if he fails to stand down. It seems an act of pure masochism which sits alongside his lack of core survival instincts evidenced by his failure to block the election.kle4 said:
It was a supposition.bobajobPB said:
Where is your evidence that Corbyn would win a contest in the event of a defeat? I believe polling of the selectorate shows otherwise...kle4 said:
No need to overreact - in a world where they are apparently planning for Corbyn to stay on even if Lab suffer a landslide loss, and would likely win a contest, why not Abbott?TheScreamingEagles said:PB will be offline for a bit whilst I delete the thread I wrote earlier on this year, tipping Diane Abbott as next Labour leader.
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If the opposition is crap, the opposition is crap, there is no point imploring the voters to avert a landslide by the PM, ask Hague and Foot how that went!0
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Oh I thought that was him trying to pull in the trans vote.calum said:
That looks like his female security detail in the background !!TheScreamingEagles said:Willie Rennie campaigning in Leven today.
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Yes, but he can, with the correct support, drag all of labour to a more electable position ready for a new blair (or at least a new Harold WIlson)Omnium said:
Starmer is much like a Milliband, but without the charm.spudgfsh said:
That is where I think Kier Starmer is at the moment. While not necessarily 'liked' by all he is not disliked by any.foxinsoxuk said:
No, Labour is not ready for a Blair. They need a Kinnock first, who will be trusted by all factions and who will have the authority and motivation to purge Momentum or convert them to the mainstream.
Kinnock may not have had enough following in the country, but he did in the party. Before the Messiah comes John the Baptist.0 -
Probably the last major international footie tournament.Freggles said:
When did you last have an England flag on your house?Floater said:
Yes, flying the flag would tend to get some Labour types thinking that.bobajobPB said:
If you say so. I would say she ripped the piss out of a numbnut who made his house look crap!Floater said:
She sneered at the working class I think you meant to saybobajobPB said:
Thornberry is actually pretty good. And she has a very nice voice. She took a picture of England flags. But there it is.freetochoose said:
Come off it mate, white van man loathes her, she'd be as bad as CorbynSeanT said:
*whispers*Sandpit said:
Can we have Lady Emily tomorrow please, I don't think she's yet been asked how she will celebrate her party's proposal for a public holiday on St George's day.Scott_P said:While we marvel at Diane's meltdown, just remember, she is not the worst media performer in the shadow cabinet...
Thornberry is actually much more impressive, and rather clever, and handles questions well. And lshe's not helplessly posh. Labour could do worse, as they steer away from Corbyn.
What's the price on her, post-Corbyn? Labour's first women leader. I'd go for her, if I were them.
The rest of us however......
several people in my vicinity have flags on flag poles in Garden and as I walk the dog I see various flags of other nations hanging out of windows.
I don't sneer at any of them, you see the difference?0 -
This image made me think they were holding onto zimmer frames
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Jon Ashworth fits the bill, and Watson has the witchfinders hat. As Deputy he will be interim leader in any post resignation scenario. One important reason Corbyn will not resign upon defeat.spudgfsh said:
That is where I think Kier Starmer is at the moment. While not necessarily 'liked' by all he is not disliked by any.foxinsoxuk said:
No, Labour is not ready for a Blair. They need a Kinnock first, who will be trusted by all factions and who will have the authority and motivation to purge Momentum or convert them to the mainstream.
Kinnock may not have had enough following in the country, but he did in the party. Before the Messiah comes John the Baptist.0 -
Only if I too have a scottish fishing background I am not aware of, or southern small townies have more in common with scottish fishing communities than I realised. Tea goes with everything.Big_G_NorthWales said:
My wife drinks tea with everything. Must be to do with her Scottish fishing background.RobD said:
Hah, probably too strong a word. I still think it is a little odd to have a hot drink with chips.Big_G_NorthWales said:0 -
They just can't help themselves.felix said:
And this is why Labout are the wrong party for the proletariat - they basically can't stand the f*****s.bobajobPB said:
If you say so. I would say she ripped the piss out of a numbnut who made his house look crap!Floater said:
She sneered at the working class I think you meant to saybobajobPB said:
Thornberry is actually pretty good. And she has a very nice voice. She took a picture of England flags. But there it is.freetochoose said:
Come off it mate, white van man loathes her, she'd be as bad as CorbynSeanT said:
*whispers*Sandpit said:
Can we have Lady Emily tomorrow please, I don't think she's yet been asked how she will celebrate her party's proposal for a public holiday on St George's day.Scott_P said:While we marvel at Diane's meltdown, just remember, she is not the worst media performer in the shadow cabinet...
Thornberry is actually much more impressive, and rather clever, and handles questions well. And lshe's not helplessly posh. Labour could do worse, as they steer away from Corbyn.
What's the price on her, post-Corbyn? Labour's first women leader. I'd go for her, if I were them.
They apparently hate the working class and have taken them for granted.
Don has strong feelings about taking people for granted...........0 -
Will the Isle of Man leave the customs union?0
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That is so insane I hope it is not true.AnneJGP said:
Or winning a GE isn't the objective.kle4 said:
Either he thinks quitting now would be even worse for his cause, or he is hoping like hell for a black swan event, or he genuinely thinks he can win.justin124 said:
What genuinely puzzles me is why Corbyn is putting himself through this campaign only to face heavy defeat and humiliation. Within four months of the election he will have been ousted - if he fails to stand down. It seems an act of pure masochism which sits alongside his lack of core survival instincts evidenced by his failure to block the election.kle4 said:
It was a supposition.bobajobPB said:
Where is your evidence that Corbyn would win a contest in the event of a defeat? I believe polling of the selectorate shows otherwise...kle4 said:
No need to overreact - in a world where they are apparently planning for Corbyn to stay on even if Lab suffer a landslide loss, and would likely win a contest, why not Abbott?TheScreamingEagles said:PB will be offline for a bit whilst I delete the thread I wrote earlier on this year, tipping Diane Abbott as next Labour leader.
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They need Simon Danczuk.HYUFD said:
Labour need a Kinnock or Howard someone like Starmer before they can elect a Blair or Cameron like UmunnaSeanT said:
Yes, that is the point. Ideally for Labour, post-Corbyn, there would be a superb Blair like candidate, adored by the membership, ready to take over. But there isn't. Nowhere near. Starmer is a robot, he's really not a leader. Jarvis is lightweight. Cooper has no chance with the members - too right wing, too Blairy.bobajobPB said:
She has her downsides. But compared to rest of the Corbynistas she is a mistress of excellence.freetochoose said:
The word associated with her is sneering, exactly the attitude that repulses labour voters about tories. Thornberry will win votes in London but outside of there she'd be a disaster.bobajobPB said:
Thornberry is actually pretty good. And she has a very nice voice. She took a picture of England flags. But there it is.freetochoose said:
Come off it mate, white van man loathes her, she'd be as bad as CorbynSeanT said:
*whispers*Sandpit said:
Can we have Lady Emily tomorrow please, I don't think she's yet been asked how she will celebrate her party's proposal for a public holiday on St George's day.Scott_P said:While we marvel at Diane's meltdown, just remember, she is not the worst media performer in the shadow cabinet...
Thornberry is actually much more impressive, and rather clever, and handles questions well. And lshe's not helplessly posh. Labour could do worse, as they steer away from Corbyn.
What's the price on her, post-Corbyn? Labour's first women leader. I'd go for her, if I were them.
She's the epitome of labour's demise
So you must search for someone - anyone! - closer to Corbyn. That's when Thornberry makes a bit of sense. She very probably won't win a GE, but she could be a Howard character, who makes the party seem electable and sensible, at some point in the future.
But then again, I am mildly drunk.0 -
I still cannot get my head around why he meekly bowed to May's wishes to provide the 434 votes needed for an early Dissoloution. Had he blocked her - and she wished to continue with her election plans - he could now have been PM for ten days and be about to submit his Government for the Affirmative Confidence Vote. He would have lost that, but the constitutional chaos would have totally changed the dynamics of the election.kle4 said:
I could not begin to guess - Corbyn's entire leadership has defied my view of politics. As I think he would be a terrible PM, and even a reasonable loss would leave him as a terrible opposition leader, I hope that he does not defy my view further by doing ok.justin124 said:
Do you believe he thinks he can conduct a Bernie Sanders campaign?kle4 said:
Either he thinks quitting now would be even worse for his cause, or he is hoping like hell for a black swan event, or he genuinely thinks he can win.justin124 said:
What genuinely puzzles me is why Corbyn is putting himself through this campaign only to face heavy defeat and humiliation. Within four months of the election he will have been ousted - if he fails to stand down. It seems an act of pure masochism which sits alongside his lack of core survival instincts evidenced by his failure to block the election.kle4 said:
It was a supposition.bobajobPB said:
Where is your evidence that Corbyn would win a contest in the event of a defeat? I believe polling of the selectorate shows otherwise...kle4 said:
No need to overreact - in a world where they are apparently planning for Corbyn to stay on even if Lab suffer a landslide loss, and would likely win a contest, why not Abbott?TheScreamingEagles said:PB will be offline for a bit whilst I delete the thread I wrote earlier on this year, tipping Diane Abbott as next Labour leader.
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Danczuk would be better than Corbyn certainly but is too Ukippy for the Labour membershipSean_F said:
They need Simon Danczuk.HYUFD said:
Labour need a Kinnock or Howard someone like Starmer before they can elect a Blair or Cameron like UmunnaSeanT said:
Yes, that is the point. Ideally for Labour, post-Corbyn, there would be a superb Blair like candidate, adored by the membership, ready to take over. But there isn't. Nowhere near. Starmer is a robot, he's really not a leader. Jarvis is lightweight. Cooper has no chance with the members - too right wing, too Blairy.bobajobPB said:
She has her downsides. But compared to rest of the Corbynistas she is a mistress of excellence.freetochoose said:
The word associated with her is sneering, exactly the attitude that repulses labour voters about tories. Thornberry will win votes in London but outside of there she'd be a disaster.bobajobPB said:
Thornberry is actually pretty good. And she has a very nice voice. She took a picture of England flags. But there it is.freetochoose said:
Come off it mate, white van man loathes her, she'd be as bad as CorbynSeanT said:
*whispers*Sandpit said:
Can we have Lady Emily tomorrow please, I don't think she's yet been asked how she will celebrate her party's proposal for a public holiday on St George's day.Scott_P said:While we marvel at Diane's meltdown, just remember, she is not the worst media performer in the shadow cabinet...
Thornberry is actually much more impressive, and rather clever, and handles questions well. And lshe's not helplessly posh. Labour could do worse, as they steer away from Corbyn.
What's the price on her, post-Corbyn? Labour's first women leader. I'd go for her, if I were them.
She's the epitome of labour's demise
So you must search for someone - anyone! - closer to Corbyn. That's when Thornberry makes a bit of sense. She very probably won't win a GE, but she could be a Howard character, who makes the party seem electable and sensible, at some point in the future.
But then again, I am mildly drunk.0 -
It has been a lifetime obsession for my dear lady and to be honest, we both prefer tea to most any other drinkkle4 said:
Only if I too have a scottish fishing background I am not aware of, or southern small townies have more in common with scottish fishing communities than I realised. Tea goes with everything.Big_G_NorthWales said:
My wife drinks tea with everything. Must be to do with her Scottish fishing background.RobD said:
Hah, probably too strong a word. I still think it is a little odd to have a hot drink with chips.Big_G_NorthWales said:0 -
I'm not a Labourite any more, but I do despair at the state of them. I re-watched Election 97 over the last few days and it was depressing to compare then to now, for them and for the country.SeanT said:
Madam, I am just trying to help. Seriously. I do this pro bono. You could do worse than Thornberry. She's reasonably telegenic, and articulate and certainly smart. And she would be acceptable to the left and right of your party, I suspect.AramintaMoonbeamQC said:
How much booze have you had?!SeanT said:
Yes, thabobajobPB said:
She has her downsides. But compared to rest of the Corbynistas she is a mistress of excellence.freetochoose said:
The word associated with her is sneering, exactly the attitude that repulses labour voters about tories. Thornberry will win votes in London but outside of there she'd be a disaster.bobajobPB said:
Thornberry is actually pretty good. And she has a very nice voice. She took a picture of England flags. But there it is.freetochoose said:
Come off it mate, white van man loathes her, she'd be as bad as CorbynSeanT said:
*whispers*Sandpit said:
Can we have Lady Emily tomorrow please, I don't think she's yet been asked how she will celebrate her party's proposal for a public holiday on St George's day.Scott_P said:While we marvel at Diane's meltdown, just remember, she is not the worst media performer in the shadow cabinet...
Thornberry is actually much more impressive, and rather clever, and handles questions well. And lshe's not helplessly posh. Labour could do worse, as they steer away from Corbyn.
What's the price on her, post-Corbyn? Labour's first women leader. I'd go for her, if I were them.
She's the epitome of labour's demise
But then again, I am mildly drunk.
Who will be left standing? Angela Rayner and Wes Streeting? The party of Attlee and Bevan. Enough to make you weep.
You lack alternatives. You're in a bit of a state (in case you hadn't noticed).
I have no personal interest in seeing Labour prosper, indeed I'd be rather happy if your party died, and was replaced by the liberals.
I'm just giving you my honest opinion, as a political observer. And now, Masterchef. Anon!
I wish John Smith hadn't passed away when he did. I wish Charlie Kennedy was still with us, but we are where we are.
Enjoy Masterchef - Lorna to win.
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Just look at the name of the shop in backgroundcalum said:
That looks like his female security detail in the background !!TheScreamingEagles said:Willie Rennie campaigning in Leven today.
Carry on mode off :-)0 -
Have finally got in and caught up on some of the previous pieces on the good Ms Abbot. Very funny, but since we already knew Labour were led by a bunch of intellectually addled has beens (or in the case of Rayner, Smith and Long-Bailey, never weres) who haven't got a clue what they're talking about, I'm not sure it gets us much further forward. However, could be a new Tory slogan - vote Labour to go back to the sweated trades of the 1820s.
What's really quite worrying is that there are five more weeks of this.0 -
and the intellect of.....a gold fish?chestnut said:Emily Thornberry manages to combine the look and sound of a snooty Tory with the CV and politics of an Islington socialist.
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That is brilliant - but funny and not damaging.foxinsoxuk said:
The best caricature of May is this one:Ishmael_Z said:
So weak. Seriously, it's not just that that doesn't work as an attack line, but you can't even reverse engineer it so as to see why anyone would have thought or hoped it might work. May is just resolutely and depressingly (to opponents and caricaturists) normal.Scott_P said:@kezdugdale: Some strong and stable chip eating here... https://twitter.com/kezdugdale/status/859500151920054272/photo/1
https://twitter.com/daisynorfolk/status/859141861012901889
The big TMay story this morning, heavily tweeted, was about her incarcerating the press in a black hole in Falmouth and not taking questions from them. This story has melted away like snow in springtime and my guess is @Sandpit was spot on in his armchair deduction that this was one local journalist with no experience beyond covering sheep-rapist trials at Truro Crown Court, to whom "accreditation" was an unknown concept. Another attacker desperately scrabbling for a hold on Mount May, failing and falling screaming to her death.0 -
No one mentions Draper, remember him?HYUFD said:I disagree with Don Brind, the objective of moderate, sane Labour should be to sit on their hands and ensure a Tory landslide of at least 100+ seats which can all be blamed on Corbynism. That would then give the likes of Keir Starmer the chance of a successful leadership challenge post defeat. If May only gets a majority of 50-100 or even less Corbyn can say he won the expectations game but was undermined by Blairites and has a good chance of being reelected.
However the line 'there is no one on the Labour side who specialises in Fallonic thuggery' is hilarious, no names mentioned Messrs Campbell, Mandelson, Brown, Balls, Whelan and McBride0 -
Any sign of those nice silk cushions we paid for?foxinsoxuk said:
Keith Vaz has a large but faded England flag flying on his Uppingham rd office. No Labour posters etc though.bobajobPB said:
If you say so. I would say she ripped the piss out of a numbnut who made his house look crap!Floater said:
She sneered at the working class I think you meant to saybobajobPB said:
Thornberry is actually pretty good. And she has a very nice voice. She took a picture of England flags. But there it is.freetochoose said:
Come off it mate, white van man loathes her, she'd be as bad as CorbynSeanT said:
*whispers*Sandpit said:
Can we have Lady Emily tomorrow please, I don't think she's yet been asked how she will celebrate her party's proposal for a public holiday on St George's day.Scott_P said:While we marvel at Diane's meltdown, just remember, she is not the worst media performer in the shadow cabinet...
Thornberry is actually much more impressive, and rather clever, and handles questions well. And lshe's not helplessly posh. Labour could do worse, as they steer away from Corbyn.
What's the price on her, post-Corbyn? Labour's first women leader. I'd go for her, if I were them.
Times must be tough in the washing machine business.0 -
Well you missed Andrew Neals blond look ;-)Floater said:
Ouch ouch ouch - I couldn't watch it to the end that was toe curlingisam said:
Youtube have "Gaffe-Offs" between her and Diane!kle4 said:
Not as bad. She'd had some bad moments, to be sure, but I think she has greater substance and quality than Corbyn.freetochoose said:
Come off it mate, white van man loathes her, she'd be as bad as CorbynSeanT said:
*whispers*Sandpit said:
Can we have Lady Emily tomorrow please, I don't think she's yet been asked how she will celebrate her party's proposal for a public holiday on St George's day.Scott_P said:While we marvel at Diane's meltdown, just remember, she is not the worst media performer in the shadow cabinet...
Thornberry is actually much more impressive, and rather clever, and handles questions well. And she's not helplessly posh. Labour could do worse, as they steer away from Corbyn.
What's the price on her, post-Corbyn? Labour's first women leader. I'd go for her, if I were them.
"Returning ISIS fighters should be allowed back in the country" top trumps "White people divide and rule"
It's a score draw on the hypocrisy over their children's schooling I believe
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Mr Urquhart, that is a very offensive remark. Please withdraw it in case a goldfish sees it and is upset.FrancisUrquhart said:
and the intellect of.....a gold fish?chestnut said:Emily Thornberry manages to combine the look and sound of a snooty Tory with the CV and politics of an Islington socialist.
Sadly, that isn't a joke.0 -
Umunna will never be leader. Out he went in 2015 and that was that.HYUFD said:
Labour need a Kinnock or Howard someone like Starmer before they can elect a Blair or Cameron like UmunnaSeanT said:
Yes, that is the point. Ideally for Labour, post-Corbyn, there would be a superb Blair like candidate, adored by the membership, ready to take over. But there isn't. Nowhere near. Starmer is a robot, he's really not a leader. Jarvis is lightweight. Cooper has no chance with the members - too right wing, too Blairy.bobajobPB said:
She has her downsides. But compared to rest of the Corbynistas she is a mistress of excellence.freetochoose said:
The word associated with her is sneering, exactly the attitude that repulses labour voters about tories. Thornberry will win votes in London but outside of there she'd be a disaster.bobajobPB said:
Thornberry is actually pretty good. And she has a very nice voice. She took a picture of England flags. But there it is.freetochoose said:
Come off it mate, white van man loathes her, she'd be as bad as CorbynSeanT said:
*whispers*Sandpit said:
Can we have Lady Emily tomorrow please, I don't think she's yet been asked how she will celebrate her party's proposal for a public holiday on St George's day.Scott_P said:While we marvel at Diane's meltdown, just remember, she is not the worst media performer in the shadow cabinet...
Thornberry is actually much more impressive, and rather clever, and handles questions well. And lshe's not helplessly posh. Labour could do worse, as they steer away from Corbyn.
What's the price on her, post-Corbyn? Labour's first women leader. I'd go for her, if I were them.
She's the epitome of labour's demise
So you must search for someone - anyone! - closer to Corbyn. That's when Thornberry makes a bit of sense. She very probably won't win a GE, but she could be a Howard character, who makes the party seem electable and sensible, at some point in the future.
But then again, I am mildly drunk.
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A Conservative parliamentary candidate has attracted derision after suggesting that voters in his constituency cannot consider themselves working class if they drink Costa coffee.
Anthony Calvert, who was confirmed as the Tory candidate for Wakefield at the general election last week, recounted a hostile encounter with a voter at the town's train station.
"Man recognises me at Wakefield Westgate. 'These f*ckin Tories, always looking to trample on t'working class, like me'. Man walks into Costa," he tweeted.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/anthony-calvert-wakefield-tory-candidate-criticises-voter-for-drinking-coffee-a7714336.html0 -
You're probably right but from a UK point of view it's a great shame. She seem to be one of the very few really talented and intelligent politicians from any party.RobD said:
Which is exactly why I think she should/will stay in Scotland.kle4 said:
Well indeed - she seems like she'd have a bright career in Westminster, and she could argue with the SCON revival (they are second, albeit distant second, inHolyrood) that others can continue the fight there, but it would make it seem like they were all just waiting for 'proper' jobs in London.calum said:
That would be a gift to the SNP - so I don't think she'll standkle4 said:
The woman's not perfect- they do seem to be getting carried away a bit. Before the announcement 3-4 would have been a great result, and technically still would be, but they'll want so much more.TheScreamingEagles said:
Ferfuxsake Ruth.calum said:Ruth hoping for an Ed Balls moment in Moray !!
http://www.scotsman.com/news/politics/general-election/ruth-davidson-our-titanic-battle-to-oust-angus-robertson-1-4434888
Decapitation strikes only work when you keep it secret and don't blab about it to the world.
Has she confirmed she's not leaving Holyrood for a Westminster seat yet?0 -
Wouldn't dare where I live ;-)Freggles said:
When did you last have an England flag on your house?Floater said:
Yes, flying the flag would tend to get some Labour types thinking that.bobajobPB said:
If you say so. I would say she ripped the piss out of a numbnut who made his house look crap!Floater said:
She sneered at the working class I think you meant to saybobajobPB said:
Thornberry is actually pretty good. And she has a very nice voice. She took a picture of England flags. But there it is.freetochoose said:
Come off it mate, white van man loathes her, she'd be as bad as CorbynSeanT said:
*whispers*Sandpit said:
Can we have Lady Emily tomorrow please, I don't think she's yet been asked how she will celebrate her party's proposal for a public holiday on St George's day.Scott_P said:While we marvel at Diane's meltdown, just remember, she is not the worst media performer in the shadow cabinet...
Thornberry is actually much more impressive, and rather clever, and handles questions well. And lshe's not helplessly posh. Labour could do worse, as they steer away from Corbyn.
What's the price on her, post-Corbyn? Labour's first women leader. I'd go for her, if I were them.
The rest of us however......0 -
Yes, him tooFloater said:
No one mentions Draper, remember him?HYUFD said:I disagree with Don Brind, the objective of moderate, sane Labour should be to sit on their hands and ensure a Tory landslide of at least 100+ seats which can all be blamed on Corbynism. That would then give the likes of Keir Starmer the chance of a successful leadership challenge post defeat. If May only gets a majority of 50-100 or even less Corbyn can say he won the expectations game but was undermined by Blairites and has a good chance of being reelected.
However the line 'there is no one on the Labour side who specialises in Fallonic thuggery' is hilarious, no names mentioned Messrs Campbell, Mandelson, Brown, Balls, Whelan and McBride0 -
This is good too;foxinsoxuk said:
The best caricature of May is this one:Ishmael_Z said:
So weak. Seriously, it's not just that that doesn't work as an attack line, but you can't even reverse engineer it so as to see why anyone would have thought or hoped it might work. May is just resolutely and depressingly (to opponents and caricaturists) normal.Scott_P said:@kezdugdale: Some strong and stable chip eating here... https://twitter.com/kezdugdale/status/859500151920054272/photo/1
https://twitter.com/daisynorfolk/status/859141861012901889
https://www.facebook.com/BritishProgressiveFront/videos/122254621660175/0 -
We certainly don't want to see the return of a Blairite war criminal type as leader.AramintaMoonbeamQC said:
I'm not a Labourite any more, but I do despair at the state of them. I re-watched Election 97 over the last few days and it was depressing to compare then to now, for them and for the country.SeanT said:
Madam, I am just trying to help. Seriously. I do this pro bono. You could do worse than Thornberry. She's reasonably telegenic, and articulate and certainly smart. And she would be acceptable to the left and right of your party, I suspect.AramintaMoonbeamQC said:
How much booze have you had?!SeanT said:
Yes, thabobajobPB said:
She has her downsides. But compared to rest of the Corbynistas she is a mistress of excellence.freetochoose said:
The word associated with her is sneering, exactly the attitude that repulses labour voters about tories. Thornberry will win votes in London but outside of there she'd be a disaster.bobajobPB said:
Thornberry is actually pretty good. And she has a very nice voice. She took a picture of England flags. But there it is.freetochoose said:
Come off it mate, white van man loathes her, she'd be as bad as CorbynSeanT said:
*whispers*Sandpit said:
Can we have Lady Emily tomorrow please, I don't think she's yet been asked how she will celebrate her party's proposal for a public holiday on St George's day.Scott_P said:While we marvel at Diane's meltdown, just remember, she is not the worst media performer in the shadow cabinet...
Thornberry is actually much more impressive, and rather clever, and handles questions well. And lshe's not helplessly posh. Labour could do worse, as they steer away from Corbyn.
What's the price on her, post-Corbyn? Labour's first women leader. I'd go for her, if I were them.
She's the epitome of labour's demise
But then again, I am mildly drunk.
Who will be left standing? Angela Rayner and Wes Streeting? The party of Attlee and Bevan. Enough to make you weep.
You lack alternatives. You're in a bit of a state (in case you hadn't noticed).
I have no personal interest in seeing Labour prosper, indeed I'd be rather happy if your party died, and was replaced by the liberals.
I'm just giving you my honest opinion, as a political observer. And now, Masterchef. Anon!
I wish John Smith hadn't passed away when he did. I wish Charlie Kennedy was still with us, but we are where we are.
Enjoy Masterchef - Lorna to win.0 -
Labour is expecting to spend less than half as much as the Tories on the general election campaign amid a drive for money donations from its 500,000 members.
Insiders said Labour had already raised around £3.8m for a possible poll when Theresa May announced a snap election two weeks ago. The party added that it had since received £1m in small donations.
Fundraising efforts will continue among union backers and its members. Officials hope this will bring at least another £3m. But private donations from wealthy figures have failed to materialise, Labour insiders said.
The Conservatives consistently spend close to the £19m general election spending limit, and are currently in the middle of a spending drive among their wealthy donors.
One Labour insider said their party would probably raise £7m in total, £5m less than in the 2015 general election under Ed Miliband.
“We are going to be outspent. Even if we had got to 2020, we would have been outspent. It is a reality of life now that the Tories can raise much more money at short notice for a short campaign,” a source said.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/may/02/labour-expects-to-spend-less-than-half-tories-on-general-election-2017-campaign?CMP=twt_gu0 -
Most Labour voters voted Remain, and some of the most Remain seats in the country. Going too kipper risks losing the rest of the party.HYUFD said:
Danczuk would be better than Corbyn certainly but is too Ukippy for the Labour membershipSean_F said:
They need Simon Danczuk.HYUFD said:
Labour need a Kinnock or Howard someone like Starmer before they can elect a Blair or Cameron like UmunnaSeanT said:
Yes, that is the point. Ideally for Labour, post-Corbyn, there would be a superb Blair like candidate, adored by the membership, ready to take over. But there isn't. Nowhere near. Starmer is a robot, he's really not a leader. Jarvis is lightweight. Cooper has no chance with the members - too right wing, too Blairy.bobajobPB said:
She has her downsides. But compared to rest of the Corbynistas she is a mistress of excellence.freetochoose said:
The word associated with her is sneering, exactly the attitude that repulses labour voters about tories. Thornberry will win votes in London but outside of there she'd be a disaster.bobajobPB said:
Thornberry is actually pretty good. And she has a very nice voice. She took a picture of England flags. But there it is.freetochoose said:
Come off it mate, white van man loathes her, she'd be as bad as CorbynSeanT said:
*whispers*Sandpit said:
Can we have Lady Emily tomorrow please, I don't think she's yet been asked how she will celebrate her party's proposal for a public holiday on St George's day.Scott_P said:While we marvel at Diane's meltdown, just remember, she is not the worst media performer in the shadow cabinet...
Thornberry is actually much more impressive, and rather clever, and handles questions well. And lshe's not helplessly posh. Labour could do worse, as they steer away from Corbyn.
What's the price on her, post-Corbyn? Labour's first women leader. I'd go for her, if I were them.
She's the epitome of labour's demise
So you must search for someone - anyone! - closer to Corbyn. That's when Thornberry makes a bit of sense. She very probably won't win a GE, but she could be a Howard character, who makes the party seem electable and sensible, at some point in the future.
But then again, I am mildly drunk.
FWIW: Ronaldo's second goal of his hatrick is magnificent. They made Athletico look pedestrian, and Athletico were better than any PL team that I have seen this season in the PL.0 -
Bitten right through I'm afraid..FrancisUrquhart said:
Any sign of those nice silk cushions we paid for?foxinsoxuk said:
Keith Vaz has a large but faded England flag flying on his Uppingham rd office. No Labour posters etc though.bobajobPB said:
If you say so. I would say she ripped the piss out of a numbnut who made his house look crap!Floater said:
She sneered at the working class I think you meant to saybobajobPB said:
Thornberry is actually pretty good. And she has a very nice voice. She took a picture of England flags. But there it is.freetochoose said:
Come off it mate, white van man loathes her, she'd be as bad as CorbynSeanT said:
*whispers*Sandpit said:
Can we have Lady Emily tomorrow please, I don't think she's yet been asked how she will celebrate her party's proposal for a public holiday on St George's day.Scott_P said:While we marvel at Diane's meltdown, just remember, she is not the worst media performer in the shadow cabinet...
Thornberry is actually much more impressive, and rather clever, and handles questions well. And lshe's not helplessly posh. Labour could do worse, as they steer away from Corbyn.
What's the price on her, post-Corbyn? Labour's first women leader. I'd go for her, if I were them.
Times must be tough in the washing machine business.0 -
It ok the goldfish will forget they were offended within a few seconds...ydoethur said:
Mr Urquhart, that is a very offensive remark. Please withdraw it in case a goldfish sees it and is upset.FrancisUrquhart said:
and the intellect of.....a gold fish?chestnut said:Emily Thornberry manages to combine the look and sound of a snooty Tory with the CV and politics of an Islington socialist.
Sadly, that isn't a joke.0 -
My wife's mother would cook the haddock straight off the Seiner and it was unbeatable in taste and flavour. When I went to Australia and New Zealand they had fabulous fish and chips, and yes with a cup of teaSeanT said:
My Dad swears by Morrish's fish and chips in Redruth. Says they're the best in the world. That's where his working class parents would go for a feast.Big_G_NorthWales said:
My wife drinks tea with everything. Must be to do with her Scottish fishing background. I was once out in a Seiner from Lossiemouth and the teapot went on the stove on leaving the harbour and stayed on throughout the whole three day tripRobD said:
Hah, probably too strong a word. I still think it is a little odd to have a hot drink with chips.Big_G_NorthWales said:
They're not the best. This is the best fish and chips in the world
https://www.tripadvisor.co.uk/Restaurant_Review-g186338-d7130836-Reviews-Hook_Camden_Town-London_England.html
But anyway, the fact is at Morrish's you can still get fish, chips, bread and butter, and a hot pot of tea. That was very standard fodder for many British working class people into recent memory.0 -
He was in the papers not long agoFloater said:
No one mentions Draper, remember him?HYUFD said:I disagree with Don Brind, the objective of moderate, sane Labour should be to sit on their hands and ensure a Tory landslide of at least 100+ seats which can all be blamed on Corbynism. That would then give the likes of Keir Starmer the chance of a successful leadership challenge post defeat. If May only gets a majority of 50-100 or even less Corbyn can say he won the expectations game but was undermined by Blairites and has a good chance of being reelected.
However the line 'there is no one on the Labour side who specialises in Fallonic thuggery' is hilarious, no names mentioned Messrs Campbell, Mandelson, Brown, Balls, Whelan and McBride
https://www.thesun.co.uk/tvandshowbiz/2901420/kate-garraway-reveals-her-startling-14-day-sex-challenge-as-she-admits-she-has-considered-botox/
Not sure he can make any sort of political comeback after that!0 -
Let's hope the Tories have more competent accountants this time.TheScreamingEagles said:Labour is expecting to spend less than half as much as the Tories on the general election campaign amid a drive for money donations from its 500,000 members.
Insiders said Labour had already raised around £3.8m for a possible poll when Theresa May announced a snap election two weeks ago. The party added that it had since received £1m in small donations.
Fundraising efforts will continue among union backers and its members. Officials hope this will bring at least another £3m. But private donations from wealthy figures have failed to materialise, Labour insiders said.
The Conservatives consistently spend close to the £19m general election spending limit, and are currently in the middle of a spending drive among their wealthy donors.
One Labour insider said their party would probably raise £7m in total, £5m less than in the 2015 general election under Ed Miliband.
“We are going to be outspent. Even if we had got to 2020, we would have been outspent. It is a reality of life now that the Tories can raise much more money at short notice for a short campaign,” a source said.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/may/02/labour-expects-to-spend-less-than-half-tories-on-general-election-2017-campaign?CMP=twt_gu
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There isn't enough popcorn in the UK to see me though a Danczuk leadership. But in a weird way, I'd like to see it.HYUFD said:
Danczuk would be better than Corbyn certainly but is too Ukippy for the Labour membershipSean_F said:
They need Simon Danczuk.HYUFD said:
Labour need a Kinnock or Howard someone like Starmer before they can elect a Blair or Cameron like UmunnaSeanT said:
Yes, that is the point. Ideally for Labour, post-Corbyn, there would be a superb Blair like candidate, adored by the membership, ready to take over. But there isn't. Nowhere near. Starmer is a robot, he's really not a leader. Jarvis is lightweight. Cooper has no chance with the members - too right wing, too Blairy.bobajobPB said:
She has her downsides. But compared to rest of the Corbynistas she is a mistress of excellence.freetochoose said:
The word associated with her is sneering, exactly the attitude that repulses labour voters about tories. Thornberry will win votes in London but outside of there she'd be a disaster.bobajobPB said:
Thornberry is actually pretty good. And she has a very nice voice. She took a picture of England flags. But there it is.freetochoose said:
Come off it mate, white van man loathes her, she'd be as bad as CorbynSeanT said:
*whispers*Sandpit said:
Can we have Lady Emily tomorrow please, I don't think she's yet been asked how she will celebrate her party's proposal for a public holiday on St George's day.Scott_P said:While we marvel at Diane's meltdown, just remember, she is not the worst media performer in the shadow cabinet...
Thornberry is actually much more impressive, and rather clever, and handles questions well. And lshe's not helplessly posh. Labour could do worse, as they steer away from Corbyn.
What's the price on her, post-Corbyn? Labour's first women leader. I'd go for her, if I were them.
She's the epitome of labour's demise
So you must search for someone - anyone! - closer to Corbyn. That's when Thornberry makes a bit of sense. She very probably won't win a GE, but she could be a Howard character, who makes the party seem electable and sensible, at some point in the future.
But then again, I am mildly drunk.0 -
What happened to all that nonsense about Labour being loaded because of being the biggest party in Europe? I am guessing all these Moamentumers still only get limited allowances and their trust funds are locked away from them.TheScreamingEagles said:Labour is expecting to spend less than half as much as the Tories on the general election campaign amid a drive for money donations from its 500,000 members.
Insiders said Labour had already raised around £3.8m for a possible poll when Theresa May announced a snap election two weeks ago. The party added that it had since received £1m in small donations.
Fundraising efforts will continue among union backers and its members. Officials hope this will bring at least another £3m. But private donations from wealthy figures have failed to materialise, Labour insiders said.
The Conservatives consistently spend close to the £19m general election spending limit, and are currently in the middle of a spending drive among their wealthy donors.
One Labour insider said their party would probably raise £7m in total, £5m less than in the 2015 general election under Ed Miliband.
“We are going to be outspent. Even if we had got to 2020, we would have been outspent. It is a reality of life now that the Tories can raise much more money at short notice for a short campaign,” a source said.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/may/02/labour-expects-to-spend-less-than-half-tories-on-general-election-2017-campaign?CMP=twt_gu0 -
Tea is the drink of the gods. You, sir, are lucky to have a wife with such good taste!Big_G_NorthWales said:
My wife drinks tea with everything. Must be to do with her Scottish fishing background. I was once out in a Seiner from Lossiemouth and the teapot went on the stove on leaving the harbour and stayed on throughout the whole three day tripRobD said:
Hah, probably too strong a word. I still think it is a little odd to have a hot drink with chips.Big_G_NorthWales said:0 -
@MSmithsonPB: Why's TMay been campaigning in N Cornwall with an 8k CON majority over LDs?0
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Yet in this rabid xenophobic hell hole we call England people can fly flags of many nations without fear.Tykejohnno said:
Wouldn't dare where I live ;-)Freggles said:
When did you last have an England flag on your house?Floater said:
Yes, flying the flag would tend to get some Labour types thinking that.bobajobPB said:
If you say so. I would say she ripped the piss out of a numbnut who made his house look crap!Floater said:
She sneered at the working class I think you meant to saybobajobPB said:
Thornberry is actually pretty good. And she has a very nice voice. She took a picture of England flags. But there it is.freetochoose said:
Come off it mate, white van man loathes her, she'd be as bad as CorbynSeanT said:
*whispers*Sandpit said:
Can we have Lady Emily tomorrow please, I don't think she's yet been asked how she will celebrate her party's proposal for a public holiday on St George's day.Scott_P said:While we marvel at Diane's meltdown, just remember, she is not the worst media performer in the shadow cabinet...
Thornberry is actually much more impressive, and rather clever, and handles questions well. And lshe's not helplessly posh. Labour could do worse, as they steer away from Corbyn.
What's the price on her, post-Corbyn? Labour's first women leader. I'd go for her, if I were them.
The rest of us however......
Not exactly the message remain would like you have is it.0 -
Should that be a 'fundraising drive?'TheScreamingEagles said:
The Conservatives consistently spend close to the £19m general election spending limit, and are currently in the middle of a spending drive among their wealthy donors.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/may/02/labour-expects-to-spend-less-than-half-tories-on-general-election-2017-campaign?CMP=twt_gu
I'm also curious -Labour made a huge profit last year on the leadership election. Where did all that money go? Or was it spent on clearing its earlier huge debts?0 -
That's good, they can blame a loss on the rigged system.TheScreamingEagles said:Labour is expecting to spend less than half as much as the Tories on the general election campaign amid a drive for money donations from its 500,000 members.
On the same basis it works for Corbyn if the CPS charges a bunch of Tories or not - if they do, then look at those corrupt Tories, if they don't, look at the rigged system letting corrupt Tories get away with it.0 -
@AllieHBNews: Wed FT: "EU raises UK Brexit bill to €100bn as Paris and Berlin harden stance" #bbcpapers #tomorrowspaperstoday https://twitter.com/AllieHBNews/status/859508270469443584/photo/10
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The one on Upper St is very good - used to be called The Fish & Chip Shop I think (seems to be called Salt now, haven't been since name change)SeanT said:
My Dad swears by Morrish's fish and chips in Redruth. Says they're the best in the world. That's where his working class parents would go for a feast.Big_G_NorthWales said:
My wife drinks tea with everything. Must be to do with her Scottish fishing background. I was once out in a Seiner from Lossiemouth and the teapot went on the stove on leaving the harbour and stayed on throughout the whole three day tripRobD said:
Hah, probably too strong a word. I still think it is a little odd to have a hot drink with chips.Big_G_NorthWales said:
They're not the best. This is the best fish and chips in the world
https://www.tripadvisor.co.uk/Restaurant_Review-g186338-d7130836-Reviews-Hook_Camden_Town-London_England.html
But anyway, the fact is at Morrish's you can still get fish, chips, bread and butter, and a hot pot of tea. That was very standard fodder for many British working class people into recent memory.0 -
Which isn't surprising as both her parents were Labour activists, her father was a human rights lawyer / academic / United Nations Assistant Secretary General and her mother was Mayor of Guildford.chestnut said:Emily Thornberry manages to combine the look and sound of a snooty Tory with the CV and politics of an Islington socialist.
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Whatever do you mean sir :-)midwinter said:
Bitten right through I'm afraid..FrancisUrquhart said:
Any sign of those nice silk cushions we paid for?foxinsoxuk said:
Keith Vaz has a large but faded England flag flying on his Uppingham rd office. No Labour posters etc though.bobajobPB said:
If you say so. I would say she ripped the piss out of a numbnut who made his house look crap!Floater said:
She sneered at the working class I think you meant to saybobajobPB said:
Thornberry is actually pretty good. And she has a very nice voice. She took a picture of England flags. But there it is.freetochoose said:
Come off it mate, white van man loathes her, she'd be as bad as CorbynSeanT said:
*whispers*Sandpit said:
Can we have Lady Emily tomorrow please, I don't think she's yet been asked how she will celebrate her party's proposal for a public holiday on St George's day.Scott_P said:While we marvel at Diane's meltdown, just remember, she is not the worst media performer in the shadow cabinet...
Thornberry is actually much more impressive, and rather clever, and handles questions well. And lshe's not helplessly posh. Labour could do worse, as they steer away from Corbyn.
What's the price on her, post-Corbyn? Labour's first women leader. I'd go for her, if I were them.
Times must be tough in the washing machine business.0 -
FT - bad Brexit news...rinse and repeat...rinse and repeat....they rinse and repeat the same stuff as often as Kim Jong May says strong and stable.Scott_P said:@AllieHBNews: Wed FT: "EU raises UK Brexit bill to €100bn as Paris and Berlin harden stance" #bbcpapers #tomorrowspaperstoday https://twitter.com/AllieHBNews/status/859508270469443584/photo/1
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I totally see what people mean when they say we (and that is, May) are the the only ones being unreasonable and obstructive here.Scott_P said:@AllieHBNews: Wed FT: "EU raises UK Brexit bill to €100bn as Paris and Berlin harden stance" #bbcpapers #tomorrowspaperstoday https://twitter.com/AllieHBNews/status/859508270469443584/photo/1
They know goddamn well what the response to that would be.0 -
Matt...
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Loved this. At the moment watching the other parties try to dislodge May is like watching two paintballing teams where one team has run out of paint...Ishmael_Z said:
That is brilliant - but funny and not damaging.foxinsoxuk said:
The best caricature of May is this one:Ishmael_Z said:
So weak. Seriously, it's not just that that doesn't work as an attack line, but you can't even reverse engineer it so as to see why anyone would have thought or hoped it might work. May is just resolutely and depressingly (to opponents and caricaturists) normal.Scott_P said:@kezdugdale: Some strong and stable chip eating here... https://twitter.com/kezdugdale/status/859500151920054272/photo/1
https://twitter.com/daisynorfolk/status/859141861012901889
The big TMay story this morning, heavily tweeted, was about her incarcerating the press in a black hole in Falmouth and not taking questions from them. This story has melted away like snow in springtime and my guess is @Sandpit was spot on in his armchair deduction that this was one local journalist with no experience beyond covering sheep-rapist trials at Truro Crown Court, to whom "accreditation" was an unknown concept. Another attacker desperately scrabbling for a hold on Mount May, failing and falling screaming to her death.0 -
Not really. The guy was a bit of a plum, making his house look like that. Not really in any way representive of 'the proletariat' or anything much at all. It was a bit daft of Thornberry to tweet it however!felix said:
And this is why Labout are the wrong party for the proletariat - they basically can't stand the f*****s.bobajobPB said:
If you say so. I would say she ripped the piss out of a numbnut who made his house look crap!Floater said:
She sneered at the working class I think you meant to saybobajobPB said:
Thornberry is actually pretty good. And she has a very nice voice. She took a picture of England flags. But there it is.freetochoose said:
Come off it mate, white van man loathes her, she'd be as bad as CorbynSeanT said:
*whispers*Sandpit said:
Can we have Lady Emily tomorrow please, I don't think she's yet been asked how she will celebrate her party's proposal for a public holiday on St George's day.Scott_P said:While we marvel at Diane's meltdown, just remember, she is not the worst media performer in the shadow cabinet...
Thornberry is actually much more impressive, and rather clever, and handles questions well. And lshe's not helplessly posh. Labour could do worse, as they steer away from Corbyn.
What's the price on her, post-Corbyn? Labour's first women leader. I'd go for her, if I were them.0 -
Ronaldo is amazing - he has killed the tie single handedfoxinsoxuk said:
Most Labour voters voted Remain, and some of the most Remain seats in the country. Going too kipper risks losing the rest of the party.HYUFD said:
Danczuk would be better than Corbyn certainly but is too Ukippy for the Labour membershipSean_F said:
They need Simon Danczuk.HYUFD said:
Labour need a Kinnock or Howard someone like Starmer before they can elect a Blair or Cameron like UmunnaSeanT said:
Yes, that is the point. Ideally for Labour, post-Corbyn, there would be a superb Blair like candidate, adored by the membership, ready to take over. But there isn't. Nowhere near. Starmer is a robot, he's really not a leader. Jarvis is lightweight. Cooper has no chance with the members - too right wing, too Blairy.bobajobPB said:
She has her downsides. But compared to rest of the Corbynistas she is a mistress of excellence.freetochoose said:
The word associated with her is sneering, exactly the attitude that repulses labour voters about tories. Thornberry will win votes in London but outside of there she'd be a disaster.bobajobPB said:
Thornberry is actually pretty good. And she has a very nice voice. She took a picture of England flags. But there it is.freetochoose said:
Come off it mate, white van man loathes her, she'd be as bad as CorbynSeanT said:
*whispers*Sandpit said:
Can we have Lady Emily tomorrow please, I don't think she's yet been asked how she will celebrate her party's proposal for a public holiday on St George's day.Scott_P said:While we marvel at Diane's meltdown, just remember, she is not the worst media performer in the shadow cabinet...
Thornberry is actually much more impressive, and rather clever, and handles questions well. And lshe's not helplessly posh. Labour could do worse, as they steer away from Corbyn.
What's the price on her, post-Corbyn? Labour's first women leader. I'd go for her, if I were them.
She's the epitome of labour's demise
So you must search for someone - anyone! - closer to Corbyn. That's when Thornberry makes a bit of sense. She very probably won't win a GE, but she could be a Howard character, who makes the party seem electable and sensible, at some point in the future.
But then again, I am mildly drunk.
FWIW: Ronaldo's second goal of his hatrick is magnificent. They made Athletico look pedestrian, and Athletico were better than any PL team that I have seen this season in the PL.0 -
Perhaps TMay's told them she'll pay €60bn but needs to give the impression of beating them down a bit.kle4 said:
I totally see what people mean when they say we (and that is, May) are the the only ones being unreasonable and obstructive here.Scott_P said:@AllieHBNews: Wed FT: "EU raises UK Brexit bill to €100bn as Paris and Berlin harden stance" #bbcpapers #tomorrowspaperstoday https://twitter.com/AllieHBNews/status/859508270469443584/photo/1
They know goddamn well what the response to that would be.0 -
The FT is turning into the Daily Express - it's going to snow, you're all going to die!!0
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Coming from a lib dem (not you Eagles) - lolTheScreamingEagles said:@MSmithsonPB: Why's TMay been campaigning in N Cornwall with an 8k CON majority over LDs?
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If so, then well played EU.williamglenn said:
Perhaps TMay's told them she'll pay €60bn but needs to give the impression of beating them down a bit.kle4 said:
I totally see what people mean when they say we (and that is, May) are the the only ones being unreasonable and obstructive here.Scott_P said:@AllieHBNews: Wed FT: "EU raises UK Brexit bill to €100bn as Paris and Berlin harden stance" #bbcpapers #tomorrowspaperstoday https://twitter.com/AllieHBNews/status/859508270469443584/photo/1
They know goddamn well what the response to that would be.0 -
Ronaldo is older than Rooney...one is always in peak condition and still top of the world, the other has spent the past 10 years overweight, getting drunk and puffing on fags...you can't tell can you.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Ronaldo is amazing - he has killed the tie single handed
They should show the comparison to kids when they are 16 and thinking they might make it.0 -
Nothing to add to the consensus about Labour being crap, so I will just say that I can only drink water with fish and chips. No booze goes with it, and tea seems odd, sorry... :-)
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Well in hindsight, Ed Miliband campaigning in North Warks was a tell tale sign that Labour were going to lose.Tykejohnno said:
Coming from a lib dem (not you Eagles) - lolTheScreamingEagles said:@MSmithsonPB: Why's TMay been campaigning in N Cornwall with an 8k CON majority over LDs?
Ditto Hillary's campaign schedule.0 -
I am indeedDisraeli said:
Tea is the drink of the gods. You, sir, are lucky to have a wife with such good taste!Big_G_NorthWales said:
My wife drinks tea with everything. Must be to do with her Scottish fishing background. I was once out in a Seiner from Lossiemouth and the teapot went on the stove on leaving the harbour and stayed on throughout the whole three day tripRobD said:
Hah, probably too strong a word. I still think it is a little odd to have a hot drink with chips.Big_G_NorthWales said:0 -
Even the Daily Express vary between Diana, the weather and illegal immigrants.chestnut said:The FT is turning into the Daily Express - it's going to snow, you're all going to die!!
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Another straw in the wind for the future of the EU? Alitalia in administration (no great surprise I guess)
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I think it is a little different 5 weeks out and during the last 2 weeks.TheScreamingEagles said:
Well in hindsight, Ed Miliband campaigning in North Warks was a tell tale sign that Labour were going to lose.Tykejohnno said:
Coming from a lib dem (not you Eagles) - lolTheScreamingEagles said:@MSmithsonPB: Why's TMay been campaigning in N Cornwall with an 8k CON majority over LDs?
Ditto Hillary's campaign schedule.0 -
To preserve her 8k majority over LDs.TheScreamingEagles said:@MSmithsonPB: Why's TMay been campaigning in N Cornwall with an 8k CON majority over LDs?
Next?0 -
Wow, 100 bn Euros. Yeah, that's not going to happen!0
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Oh shitty shit shit, I am suppose to be flying with them in a few weeks.JonCisBack said:Another straw in the wind for the future of the EU? Alitalia in administration (no great surprise I guess)
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It's starting to sound a little like this:RobD said:Wow, 100 bn Euros. Yeah, that's not going to happen!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jTmXHvGZiSY0 -
Don't forget Alzheimer 'breakthroughs'...FrancisUrquhart said:
Even the Daily Express vary between Diana, the weather and illegal immigrants.chestnut said:The FT is turning into the Daily Express - it's going to snow, you're all going to die!!
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I actually agree with Diane Abbott on one thing.
Her credibility is not damaged by this episode.
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Unions again digging their own graves 'Last week, airline employees voted against a plan to cut jobs and salaries that would have allowed it to secure new funds.FrancisUrquhart said:
Oh shitty shit shit, I am suppose to be flying with them in a few weeks.JonCisBack said:Another straw in the wind for the future of the EU? Alitalia in administration (no great surprise I guess)
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-39780604
Alitalia said in a statement that Italian shareholders and Etihad, the Abu Dhabi airline that owns 49% of Alitalia, had been "committed to recapitalise and finance the plan with 2bn euros".
But without the approval of workers, the plan could not go ahead, the airline said.'
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Yeah, it's not helpful. At least we are finding out the bounds of the problem (0-100).JosiasJessop said:
It's starting to sound a little like this:RobD said:Wow, 100 bn Euros. Yeah, that's not going to happen!
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It shows they are finally going to let uneconomic businesses fold?JonCisBack said:Another straw in the wind for the future of the EU? Alitalia in administration (no great surprise I guess)
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Ridiculous. They know we won;t just meekly hand over €100bn for nothing.Scott_P said:@AllieHBNews: Wed FT: "EU raises UK Brexit bill to €100bn as Paris and Berlin harden stance" #bbcpapers #tomorrowspaperstoday https://twitter.com/AllieHBNews/status/859508270469443584/photo/1
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He's managing director of a PR company too, that works promoting property developments to nearby residents. You'd have thought he might have a clue about how people in the general population actually see themselves, where they drink coffee, etc. Perhaps he thinks real working class people only ever drink at caffs and social clubs. The poor guy has increased the perception of himself he was trying to squash.TheScreamingEagles said:A Conservative parliamentary candidate has attracted derision after suggesting that voters in his constituency cannot consider themselves working class if they drink Costa coffee.
Anthony Calvert, who was confirmed as the Tory candidate for Wakefield at the general election last week, recounted a hostile encounter with a voter at the town's train station.
"Man recognises me at Wakefield Westgate. 'These f*ckin Tories, always looking to trample on t'working class, like me'. Man walks into Costa," he tweeted.
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Ronaldo is also a continental metrosexual, Rooney is a typical northernerFrancisUrquhart said:
Ronaldo is older than Rooney...one is always in peak condition and still top of the world, the other has spent the past 10 years overweight, getting drunk and puffing on fags...you can't tell can you.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Ronaldo is amazing - he has killed the tie single handed
They should show the comparison to kids when they are 16 and thinking they might make it.0 -
Quick question for the PB Tories. Are they enjoying this election? To me, it is like 2001 in reverse, and 2001 was the dullest election of modern times.
I am fucking BORED. Will someone do something interesting? Labour have the potential to stage a hilarious rebellion against the quarterwits who are leading the party towards oblivion, but so far NOTHING. If Diane's maths, speculation about Emily being leader, and Cruella gags about May are all we have, I think we can safely conclude that this election is SHITE.0 -
Perhaps you could explain to Mike that the Conservatives have all the seats in Cornwall - so any visit by May will be in Conservative seats with hefty majorities.TheScreamingEagles said:@MSmithsonPB: Why's TMay been campaigning in N Cornwall with an 8k CON majority over LDs?
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Even 50 billion isn't going to happen but all that they are achieving is to create the conditions of a landslide and possibly, more importantly, destroy any chance the remainers and lib dems will have of getting a hearing .RobD said:Wow, 100 bn Euros. Yeah, that's not going to happen!
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I disagree, he was sensible in retrospect to duck the 2015 leadership contest which he would have lost to Corbyn come 2022 the time may be right for himCyan said:
Umunna will never be leader. Out he went in 2015 and that was that.HYUFD said:
Labour need a Kinnock or Howard someone like Starmer before they can elect a Blair or Cameron like UmunnaSeanT said:
Yes, that is the point. Ideally for Labour, post-Corbyn, there would be a superb Blair like candidate, adored by the membership, ready to take over. But there isn't. Nowhere near. Starmer is a robot, he's really not a leader. Jarvis is lightweight. Cooper has no chance with the members - too right wing, too Blairy.bobajobPB said:
She has her downsides. But compared to rest of the Corbynistas she is a mistress of excellence.freetochoose said:
The word associated with her is sneering, exactly the attitude that repulses labour voters about tories. Thornberry will win votes in London but outside of there she'd be a disaster.bobajobPB said:
Thornberry is actually pretty good. And she has a very nice voice. She took a picture of England flags. But there it is.freetochoose said:
Come off it mate, white van man loathes her, she'd be as bad as CorbynSeanT said:
*whispers*Sandpit said:
Can we have Lady Emily tomorrow please, I don't think she's yet been asked how she will celebrate her party's proposal for a public holiday on St George's day.Scott_P said:While we marvel at Diane's meltdown, just remember, she is not the worst media performer in the shadow cabinet...
Thornberry is actually much more impressive, and rather clever, and handles questions well. And lshe's not helplessly posh. Labour could do worse, as they steer away from Corbyn.
What's the price on her, post-Corbyn? Labour's first women leader. I'd go for her, if I were them.
She's the epitome of labour's demise
So you must search for someone - anyone! - closer to Corbyn. That's when Thornberry makes a bit of sense. She very probably won't win a GE, but she could be a Howard character, who makes the party seem electable and sensible, at some point in the future.
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I also managed to miss nearly all the football as in the office until 8pm. Missed all the goals, now listening to Macca warbling on.0
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If this is true - if! - it's more evidence that the EU have no intention of negotiating and intend to abandon talks very quickly.Scott_P said:@AllieHBNews: Wed FT: "EU raises UK Brexit bill to €100bn as Paris and Berlin harden stance" #bbcpapers #tomorrowspaperstoday https://twitter.com/AllieHBNews/status/859508270469443584/photo/1
You cannot ask for a figure based on a long-agreed budget (which would be a reasonable position) and then suddenly say an extra 67% was there and had only just been noticed. You look like either a crook or a moron (or both).
In fact, they are looking more and more like the dubious client out for a fast buck who's been got at by a no-win, no fee shark, who demands the highest figure and doesn't care when the judge actually starts laughing.0 -
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To preserve her 8k majority over LDs.TheScreamingEagles said:@MSmithsonPB: Why's TMay been campaigning in N Cornwall with an 8k CON majority over LDs?
Next?
It's on THE LIST.
http://www.markpack.org.uk/139895/conservative-mps-election-expenses-investigation-police/
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I suspect beyond a certain point - say about €35bn - it becomes somewhat irrelevant, because Mrs May will simply say "no".Scott_P said:@AllieHBNews: Wed FT: "EU raises UK Brexit bill to €100bn as Paris and Berlin harden stance" #bbcpapers #tomorrowspaperstoday https://twitter.com/AllieHBNews/status/859508270469443584/photo/1
Crashing out to WTO (which disallows discriminatory tariffs) would obviously not be very good for the UK economy. But nor would it be good for the EU economy.0 -
Weirdly, very dry cider goes okay with it. Tea is best however.JonCisBack said:Nothing to add to the consensus about Labour being crap, so I will just say that I can only drink water with fish and chips. No booze goes with it, and tea seems odd, sorry... :-)
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Maybe we should counter with minus 50bn ?JonCisBack said:
Ridiculous. They know we won;t just meekly hand over €100bn for nothing.Scott_P said:@AllieHBNews: Wed FT: "EU raises UK Brexit bill to €100bn as Paris and Berlin harden stance" #bbcpapers #tomorrowspaperstoday https://twitter.com/AllieHBNews/status/859508270469443584/photo/1
We need to wait until not only our election but Merkel's is over. Then everyone can stop the silly posturing and have a grown up negotiation
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I am excited to an extent (have just come back from canvassing a council seat the Tories are trying to take off the LDs), the Tories have not had a 100+majority since 1987, 30 years ago which I was too young to remember, Labour had one in 2001 just 16 years ago which I remember well but for the wrong reasons, canvassing in Leamington as a student and watching the Labour MP increase his majoritybobajobPB said:Quick question for the PB Tories. Are they enjoying this election? To me, it is like 2001 in reverse, and 2001 was the dullest election of modern times.
I am fucking BORED. Will someone do something interesting? Labour have the potential to stage a hilarious rebellion against the quarterwits who are leading the party towards oblivion, but so far NOTHING. If Diane's maths, speculation about Emily being leader, and Cruella gags about May are all we have, I think we can safely conclude that this election is SHITE.0 -
Mike post like he's worried ;-)another_richard said:
Perhaps you could explain to Mike that the Conservatives have all the seats in Cornwall - so any visit by May will be in Conservative seats with hefty majorities.TheScreamingEagles said:@MSmithsonPB: Why's TMay been campaigning in N Cornwall with an 8k CON majority over LDs?
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The paper published today by the Irish government strongly infers that many of the stories in the press are absolute nonsense.
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I had forgotten that....bookseller said:
Don't forget Alzheimer 'breakthroughs'...FrancisUrquhart said:
Even the Daily Express vary between Diana, the weather and illegal immigrants.chestnut said:The FT is turning into the Daily Express - it's going to snow, you're all going to die!!
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@JournoStephen: "This is at least one thing Mr Salmond has in common with goats’ cheese" -- @euanmccolm http://www.scotsman.com/news/opinion/euan-mccolm-salmond-taking-a-pop-at-me-is-fair-play-1-4435380#comments-area0
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I wonder how much of this is driven by the EU's desire to finesse the issue of the shortfall by getting the UK to pay in for as long as possible? So it's not necessarily anything that May or the UK government has said, but perhaps an unwillingness by EU member states to dig deep into their own pockets.ydoethur said:If this is true - if! - it's more evidence that the EU have no intention of negotiating and intend to abandon talks very quickly.
You cannot ask for a figure based on a long-agreed budget (which would be a reasonable position) and then suddenly say an extra 67% was there and had only just been noticed. You look like either a crook or a moron (or both).
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Yep - all the nastiness coming from the EU side.0
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Peter Kay sticking to his tried and trusted model....
Peter Kay has said there will be no more episodes of TV sitcom Car Share. There will be no series three and no Christmas specials.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-397803650
