I was at a dinner party in Edinburgh recently. One of the guests has a brother who was a big cheese in some inquiry, might have been historic sex or something like that. He had to work closely with TM as Home Secretary. He said his brother's overwhelming impression of May was her honesty and focus on the truth.
TBH I was quite startled. Honesty and politican in the same sentence and no negative; it was a bit weird so I queried it: really? But he was adamant, his brother says she is a deeply honest person guided by quite a profound faith. Of course we all know where profound faith ends up; with 1m dead in Iraq. But still, it made me think. It is so easy to think the worst of those daft enough to offer themselves up to public life. Maybe we have got her wrong?
Errh, I'm not a Conservative but you are, "we" haven't got her wrong, she is about to win a massive majority in a snap election.
Like her or not she deserves credit and respect.
Her honesty, or not (as Don is keen to have Labour focus on) is not the reason for being about to win, not exactly, I don't think. Perceived competence, stability, particularly in relation to the opposition, more than personal honesty.
While we marvel at Diane's meltdown, just remember, she is not the worst media performer in the shadow cabinet...
Can we have Lady Emily tomorrow please, I don't think she's yet been asked how she will celebrate her party's proposal for a public holiday on St George's day.
*whispers*
Thornberry is actually much more impressive, and rather clever, and handles questions well. And she's not helplessly posh. Labour could do worse, as they steer away from Corbyn.
What's the price on her, post-Corbyn? Labour's first women leader. I'd go for her, if I were them.
While we marvel at Diane's meltdown, just remember, she is not the worst media performer in the shadow cabinet...
Can we have Lady Emily tomorrow please, I don't think she's yet been asked how she will celebrate her party's proposal for a public holiday on St George's day.
*whispers*
Thornberry is actually much more impressive, and rather clever, and handles questions well. And she's not helplessly posh. Labour could do worse, as they steer away from Corbyn.
What's the price on her, post-Corbyn? Labour's first women leader. I'd go for her, if I were them.
Come off it mate, white van man loathes her, she'd be as bad as Corbyn
Not as bad. She'd had some bad moments, to be sure, but I think she has greater substance and quality than Corbyn.
While we marvel at Diane's meltdown, just remember, she is not the worst media performer in the shadow cabinet...
Can we have Lady Emily tomorrow please, I don't think she's yet been asked how she will celebrate her party's proposal for a public holiday on St George's day.
*whispers*
Thornberry is actually much more impressive, and rather clever, and handles questions well. And she's not helplessly posh. Labour could do worse, as they steer away from Corbyn.
What's the price on her, post-Corbyn? Labour's first women leader. I'd go for her, if I were them.
I suspect Thornberry pushes the buttons of a large segment of the population. She's also able to pull off a kind of imperial British pride that fits the Zeitgeist more authentically than Labour pretending to be UKIP.
While we marvel at Diane's meltdown, just remember, she is not the worst media performer in the shadow cabinet...
Can we have Lady Emily tomorrow please, I don't think she's yet been asked how she will celebrate her party's proposal for a public holiday on St George's day.
*whispers*
Thornberry is actually much more impressive, and rather clever, and handles questions well. And lshe's not helplessly posh. Labour could do worse, as they steer away from Corbyn.
What's the price on her, post-Corbyn? Labour's first women leader. I'd go for her, if I were them.
Come off it mate, white van man loathes her, she'd be as bad as Corbyn
Thornberry is actually pretty good. And she has a very nice voice. She took a picture of England flags. But there it is.
While we marvel at Diane's meltdown, just remember, she is not the worst media performer in the shadow cabinet...
Can we have Lady Emily tomorrow please, I don't think she's yet been asked how she will celebrate her party's proposal for a public holiday on St George's day.
*whispers*
Thornberry is actually much more impressive, and rather clever, and handles questions well. And she's not helplessly posh. Labour could do worse, as they steer away from Corbyn.
What's the price on her, post-Corbyn? Labour's first women leader. I'd go for her, if I were them.
Come off it mate, white van man loathes her, she'd be as bad as Corbyn
Not as bad. She'd had some bad moments, to be sure, but I think she has greater substance and quality than Corbyn.
Youtube have "Gaffe-Offs" between her and Diane!
"Returning ISIS fighters should be allowed back in the country" top trumps "White people divide and rule"
It's a score draw on the hypocrisy over their children's schooling I believe
God, it's worse every time - so hesitant and stumbling (when she apparently got it right other times). And coming across worse off when facing off against Piers Morgan? Ugh.
She must be an incredible local MP, as she's safe as houses. (Yes, it's a safe seat, but she hasn't been so bad it makes it in play)
Jesus. That's brutal. Is that a Facebook attack ad?
I know from my recent forays into high level marketing that Facebook ads are hugely important. They get shared. They go viral. They impact. More than TV, arguably. Certainly more than posters
The problem can be though that they get shared amongst like minded individuals and don't get get seen as much by the required audience
While we marvel at Diane's meltdown, just remember, she is not the worst media performer in the shadow cabinet...
Can we have Lady Emily tomorrow please, I don't think she's yet been asked how she will celebrate her party's proposal for a public holiday on St George's day.
*whispers*
Thornberry is actually much more impressive, and rather clever, and handles questions well. And lshe's not helplessly posh. Labour could do worse, as they steer away from Corbyn.
What's the price on her, post-Corbyn? Labour's first women leader. I'd go for her, if I were them.
Come off it mate, white van man loathes her, she'd be as bad as Corbyn
Thornberry is actually pretty good. And she has a very nice voice. She took a picture of England flags. But there it is.
She isn't . She hasn't. I'd be very relaxed about her leading the Labour party.
While we marvel at Diane's meltdown, just remember, she is not the worst media performer in the shadow cabinet...
Can we have Lady Emily tomorrow please, I don't think she's yet been asked how she will celebrate her party's proposal for a public holiday on St George's day.
*whispers*
Thornberry is actually much more impressive, and rather clever, and handles questions well. And lshe's not helplessly posh. Labour could do worse, as they steer away from Corbyn.
What's the price on her, post-Corbyn? Labour's first women leader. I'd go for her, if I were them.
Come off it mate, white van man loathes her, she'd be as bad as Corbyn
Thornberry is actually pretty good. And she has a very nice voice. She took a picture of England flags. But there it is.
The word associated with her is sneering, exactly the attitude that repulses labour voters about tories. Thornberry will win votes in London but outside of there she'd be a disaster.
Jesus. That's brutal. Is that a Facebook attack ad?
I know from my recent forays into high level marketing that Facebook ads are hugely important. They get shared. They go viral. They impact. More than TV, arguably. Certainly more than posters
The problem can be though that they get shared amongst like minded individuals and don't get get seen as much by the required audience
Quite so. But a certain amount of this stuff filters through to the less engaged and the wavering, in message if not in the precise form.
While we marvel at Diane's meltdown, just remember, she is not the worst media performer in the shadow cabinet...
Can we have Lady Emily tomorrow please, I don't think she's yet been asked how she will celebrate her party's proposal for a public holiday on St George's day.
*whispers*
Thornberry is actually much more impressive, and rather clever, and handles questions well. And lshe's not helplessly posh. Labour could do worse, as they steer away from Corbyn.
What's the price on her, post-Corbyn? Labour's first women leader. I'd go for her, if I were them.
Come off it mate, white van man loathes her, she'd be as bad as Corbyn
Thornberry is actually pretty good. And she has a very nice voice. She took a picture of England flags. But there it is.
She sneered at the working class I think you meant to say
While we marvel at Diane's meltdown, just remember, she is not the worst media performer in the shadow cabinet...
Can we have Lady Emily tomorrow please, I don't think she's yet been asked how she will celebrate her party's proposal for a public holiday on St George's day.
*whispers*
Thornberry is actually much more impressive, and rather clever, and handles questions well. And lshe's not helplessly posh. Labour could do worse, as they steer away from Corbyn.
What's the price on her, post-Corbyn? Labour's first women leader. I'd go for her, if I were them.
Come off it mate, white van man loathes her, she'd be as bad as Corbyn
Thornberry is actually pretty good. And she has a very nice voice. She took a picture of England flags. But there it is.
The word associated with her is sneering, exactly the attitude that repulses labour voters about tories. Thornberry will win votes in London but outside of there she'd be a disaster.
We've all been there. The truth is that people want politicians to be people - but they also expect us to be super-human and we're not, and we will make mistakes at times. What can you do?"
That's a measured, reasonable statement. One thing you can do is not throw a wobbler and blame the media and your opponents for questioning you about your horrible performance. Diane obviously disagrees.
While we marvel at Diane's meltdown, just remember, she is not the worst media performer in the shadow cabinet...
Can we have Lady Emily tomorrow please, I don't think she's yet been asked how she will celebrate her party's proposal for a public holiday on St George's day.
*whispers*
Thornberry is actually much more impressive, and rather clever, and handles questions well. And lshe's not helplessly posh. Labour could do worse, as they steer away from Corbyn.
What's the price on her, post-Corbyn? Labour's first women leader. I'd go for her, if I were them.
Come off it mate, white van man loathes her, she'd be as bad as Corbyn
Thornberry is actually pretty good. And she has a very nice voice. She took a picture of England flags. But there it is.
She sneered at the working class I think you meant to say
If you say so. I would say she ripped the piss out of a numbnut who made his house look crap!
While we marvel at Diane's meltdown, just remember, she is not the worst media performer in the shadow cabinet...
Can we have Lady Emily tomorrow please, I don't think she's yet been asked how she will celebrate her party's proposal for a public holiday on St George's day.
*whispers*
Thornberry is actually much more impressive, and rather clever, and handles questions well. And lshe's not helplessly posh. Labour could do worse, as they steer away from Corbyn.
What's the price on her, post-Corbyn? Labour's first women leader. I'd go for her, if I were them.
Come off it mate, white van man loathes her, she'd be as bad as Corbyn
Thornberry is actually pretty good. And she has a very nice voice. She took a picture of England flags. But there it is.
The word associated with her is sneering, exactly the attitude that repulses labour voters about tories. Thornberry will win votes in London but outside of there she'd be a disaster.
She's the epitome of labour's demise
I agree, on TV she is very voter repellent.
My Labour voting, trade union member Dad saw her talk about letting ISIS fighters back in the country with his jaw on the deck
While we marvel at Diane's meltdown, just remember, she is not the worst media performer in the shadow cabinet...
Can we have Lady Emily tomorrow please, I don't think she's yet been asked how she will celebrate her party's proposal for a public holiday on St George's day.
*whispers*
Thornberry is actually much more impressive, and rather clever, and handles questions well. And lshe's not helplessly posh. Labour could do worse, as they steer away from Corbyn.
What's the price on her, post-Corbyn? Labour's first women leader. I'd go for her, if I were them.
Come off it mate, white van man loathes her, she'd be as bad as Corbyn
Thornberry is actually pretty good. And she has a very nice voice. She took a picture of England flags. But there it is.
The word associated with her is sneering, exactly the attitude that repulses labour voters about tories. Thornberry will win votes in London but outside of there she'd be a disaster.
She's the epitome of labour's demise
She has her downsides. But compared to rest of the Corbynistas she is a mistress of excellence.
Surely the first and third are in essense the delusion which lay behind our joining the Common Market in the first place. It seems tacit in the speeches from that time that Britain would provide the leadership which our less fortunate bretheren over the water so rightly craved.
While we marvel at Diane's meltdown, just remember, she is not the worst media performer in the shadow cabinet...
Can we have Lady Emily tomorrow please, I don't think she's yet been asked how she will celebrate her party's proposal for a public holiday on St George's day.
*whispers*
Thornberry is actually much more impressive, and rather clever, and handles questions well. And she's not helplessly posh. Labour could do worse, as they steer away from Corbyn.
What's the price on her, post-Corbyn? Labour's first women leader. I'd go for her, if I were them.
Come off it mate, white van man loathes her, she'd be as bad as Corbyn
I know it's left field, but you have to consider the alternatives. And Labour will still have a very leftwing membership, who get to choose.
Thornberry is cleverly positioned (i.e. Islington friend of Corbyn, but not insane commie) to gently lead Labour back to an electable state. And she's clever. And she's a woman. And she's quite good on TV. Tick tick tick.
Her political opinions are pretty neutral, on analysis.
It is indeed true that she is not a far left crazy, in her politics. Yet seen as a Corbyn loyalist. Interesting bet.
PB will be offline for a bit whilst I delete the thread I wrote earlier on this year, tipping Diane Abbott as next Labour leader.
No need to overreact - in a world where they are apparently planning for Corbyn to stay on even if Lab suffer a landslide loss, and would likely win a contest, why not Abbott?
While we marvel at Diane's meltdown, just remember, she is not the worst media performer in the shadow cabinet...
Can we have Lady Emily tomorrow please, I don't think she's yet been asked how she will celebrate her party's proposal for a public holiday on St George's day.
*whispers*
Thornberry is actually much more impressive, and rather clever, and handles questions well. And lshe's not helplessly posh. Labour could do worse, as they steer away from Corbyn.
What's the price on her, post-Corbyn? Labour's first women leader. I'd go for her, if I were them.
Come off it mate, white van man loathes her, she'd be as bad as Corbyn
Thornberry is actually pretty good. And she has a very nice voice. She took a picture of England flags. But there it is.
She sneered at the working class I think you meant to say
If you say so. I would say she ripped the piss out of a numbnut who made his house look crap!
She said she wasn't mocking them. She is a liar then?
Sadly, these attempts rarely work against parties at or near their peak. In fact I think it's counterproductive when it's known publicly that that is the aim.
While we marvel at Diane's meltdown, just remember, she is not the worst media performer in the shadow cabinet...
Can we have Lady Emily tomorrow please, I don't think she's yet been asked how she will celebrate her party's proposal for a public holiday on St George's day.
*whispers*
Thornberry is actually much more impressive, and rather clever, and handles questions well. And she's not helplessly posh. Labour could do worse, as they steer away from Corbyn.
What's the price on her, post-Corbyn? Labour's first women leader. I'd go for her, if I were them.
Come off it mate, white van man loathes her, she'd be as bad as Corbyn
Not as bad. She'd had some bad moments, to be sure, but I think she has greater substance and quality than Corbyn.
Youtube have "Gaffe-Offs" between her and Diane!
"Returning ISIS fighters should be allowed back in the country" top trumps "White people divide and rule"
It's a score draw on the hypocrisy over their children's schooling I believe
PB will be offline for a bit whilst I delete the thread I wrote earlier on this year, tipping Diane Abbott as next Labour leader.
No need to overreact - in a world where they are apparently planning for Corbyn to stay on even if Lab suffer a landslide loss, and would likely win a contest, why not Abbott?
But he wouldn't win such a contest! More likely to be humiliated.
PB will be offline for a bit whilst I delete the thread I wrote earlier on this year, tipping Diane Abbott as next Labour leader.
No need to overreact - in a world where they are apparently planning for Corbyn to stay on even if Lab suffer a landslide loss, and would likely win a contest, why not Abbott?
Where is your evidence that Corbyn would win a contest in the event of a defeat? I believe polling of the selectorate shows otherwise...
Decapitation strikes only work when you keep it secret and don't blab about it to the world.
The woman's not perfect- they do seem to be getting carried away a bit. Before the announcement 3-4 would have been a great result, and technically still would be, but they'll want so much more.
Has she confirmed she's not leaving Holyrood for a Westminster seat yet?
While we marvel at Diane's meltdown, just remember, she is not the worst media performer in the shadow cabinet...
Can we have Lady Emily tomorrow please, I don't think she's yet been asked how she will celebrate her party's proposal for a public holiday on St George's day.
*whispers*
Thornberry is actually much more impressive, and rather clever, and handles questions well. And lshe's not helplessly posh. Labour could do worse, as they steer away from Corbyn.
What's the price on her, post-Corbyn? Labour's first women leader. I'd go for her, if I were them.
Come off it mate, white van man loathes her, she'd be as bad as Corbyn
Thornberry is actually pretty good. And she has a very nice voice. She took a picture of England flags. But there it is.
The word associated with her is sneering, exactly the attitude that repulses labour voters about tories. Thornberry will win votes in London but outside of there she'd be a disaster.
She's the epitome of labour's demise
She has her downsides. But compared to rest of the Corbynistas she is a mistress of excellence.
She may be more competent than the others but she is grotesque. A preening, condescending slug of a creature who encapsulates all the worst traits of metropolitan Labour and their lack of contact with the working classes. I'd prefer Corbyn.
PB will be offline for a bit whilst I delete the thread I wrote earlier on this year, tipping Diane Abbott as next Labour leader.
No need to overreact - in a world where they are apparently planning for Corbyn to stay on even if Lab suffer a landslide loss, and would likely win a contest, why not Abbott?
But he wouldn't win such a contest! More likely to be humiliated.
A good thing you're so confident. WIth the current membership it's hard to say sometimes.
PB will be offline for a bit whilst I delete the thread I wrote earlier on this year, tipping Diane Abbott as next Labour leader.
No need to overreact - in a world where they are apparently planning for Corbyn to stay on even if Lab suffer a landslide loss, and would likely win a contest, why not Abbott?
Abbott has run for the leadership before. She was the Liz Kendall of the 2010 election.
PB will be offline for a bit whilst I delete the thread I wrote earlier on this year, tipping Diane Abbott as next Labour leader.
No need to overreact - in a world where they are apparently planning for Corbyn to stay on even if Lab suffer a landslide loss, and would likely win a contest, why not Abbott?
Abbott has run for the leadership before. She was the Liz Kendall of the 2010 election.
Not so - Kendall earned her nominations, Abbott explicitly only got enough because McDonnell pulled out and told his backers to back her so a woman would be on the ballot.
While we marvel at Diane's meltdown, just remember, she is not the worst media performer in the shadow cabinet...
Can we have Lady Emily tomorrow please, I don't think she's yet been asked how she will celebrate her party's proposal for a public holiday on St George's day.
*whispers*
Thornberry is actually much more impressive, and rather clever, and handles questions well. And lshe's not helplessly posh. Labour could do worse, as they steer away from Corbyn.
What's the price on her, post-Corbyn? Labour's first women leader. I'd go for her, if I were them.
Come off it mate, white van man loathes her, she'd be as bad as Corbyn
Thornberry is actually pretty good. And she has a very nice voice. She took a picture of England flags. But there it is.
She sneered at the working class I think you meant to say
If you say so. I would say she ripped the piss out of a numbnut who made his house look crap!
Yes, flying the flag would tend to get some Labour types thinking that.
While we marvel at Diane's meltdown, just remember, she is not the worst media performer in the shadow cabinet...
Can we have Lady Emily tomorrow please, I don't think she's yet been asked how she will celebrate her party's proposal for a public holiday on St George's day.
*whispers*
Thornberry is actually much more impressive, and rather clever, and handles questions well. And lshe's not helplessly posh. Labour could do worse, as they steer away from Corbyn.
What's the price on her, post-Corbyn? Labour's first women leader. I'd go for her, if I were them.
Come off it mate, white van man loathes her, she'd be as bad as Corbyn
Thornberry is actually pretty good. And she has a very nice voice. She took a picture of England flags. But there it is.
The word associated with her is sneering, exactly the attitude that repulses labour voters about tories. Thornberry will win votes in London but outside of there she'd be a disaster.
She's the epitome of labour's demise
I agree, on TV she is very voter repellent.
My Labour voting, trade union member Dad saw her talk about letting ISIS fighters back in the country with his jaw on the deck
She's completely lacking in the usual anti-British instincts of the Corbynites.
PB will be offline for a bit whilst I delete the thread I wrote earlier on this year, tipping Diane Abbott as next Labour leader.
No need to overreact - in a world where they are apparently planning for Corbyn to stay on even if Lab suffer a landslide loss, and would likely win a contest, why not Abbott?
But he wouldn't win such a contest! More likely to be humiliated.
A good thing you're so confident. WIth the current membership it's hard to say sometimes.
I incline to the view that Corbyn would have been defeated this year had he been challenged following very poor local election results. Perhaps that explains why May has called the election.
PB will be offline for a bit whilst I delete the thread I wrote earlier on this year, tipping Diane Abbott as next Labour leader.
No need to overreact - in a world where they are apparently planning for Corbyn to stay on even if Lab suffer a landslide loss, and would likely win a contest, why not Abbott?
Where is your evidence that Corbyn would win a contest in the event of a defeat? I believe polling of the selectorate shows otherwise...
While we marvel at Diane's meltdown, just remember, she is not the worst media performer in the shadow cabinet...
Can we have Lady Emily tomorrow please, I don't think she's yet been asked how she will celebrate her party's proposal for a public holiday on St George's day.
*whispers*
Thornberry is actually much more impressive, and rather clever, and handles questions well. And lshe's not helplessly posh. Labour could do worse, as they steer away from Corbyn.
What's the price on her, post-Corbyn? Labour's first women leader. I'd go for her, if I were them.
Come off it mate, white van man loathes her, she'd be as bad as Corbyn
Thornberry is actually pretty good. And she has a very nice voice. She took a picture of England flags. But there it is.
The word associated with her is sneering, exactly the attitude that repulses labour voters about tories. Thornberry will win votes in London but outside of there she'd be a disaster.
She's the epitome of labour's demise
She has her downsides. But compared to rest of the Corbynistas she is a mistress of excellence.
Yes, that is the point. Ideally for Labour, post-Corbyn, there would be a superb Blair like candidate, adored by the membership, ready to take over. But there isn't. Nowhere near. Starmer is a robot, he's really not a leader. Jarvis is lightweight. Cooper has no chance with the members - too right wing, too Blairy.
So you must search for someone - anyone! - closer to Corbyn. That's when Thornberry makes a bit of sense. She very probably won't win a GE, but she could be a Howard character, who makes the party seem electable and sensible, at some point in the future.
But then again, I am mildly drunk.
Apparently being a robot makes for strong, stable government, and you can look decisive even if you U turn more often than not.
While we marvel at Diane's meltdown, just remember, she is not the worst media performer in the shadow cabinet...
Can we have Lady Emily tomorrow please, I don't think she's yet been asked how she will celebrate her party's proposal for a public holiday on St George's day.
*whispers*
Thornberry is actually much more impressive, and rather clever, and handles questions well. And she's not helplessly posh. Labour could do worse, as they steer away from Corbyn.
What's the price on her, post-Corbyn? Labour's first women leader. I'd go for her, if I were them.
Come off it mate, white van man loathes her, she'd be as bad as Corbyn
I know it's left field, but you have to consider the alternatives. And Labour will still have a very leftwing membership, who get to choose.
Thornberry is cleverly positioned (i.e. Islington friend of Corbyn, but not insane commie) to gently lead Labour back to an electable state. And she's clever. And she's a woman. And she's quite good on TV. Tick tick tick.
Her political opinions are pretty neutral, on analysis.
It is indeed true that she is not a far left crazy, in her politics. Yet seen as a Corbyn loyalist. Interesting bet.
While we marvel at Diane's meltdown, just remember, she is not the worst media performer in the shadow cabinet...
Can we have Lady Emily tomorrow please, I don't think she's yet been asked how she will celebrate her party's proposal for a public holiday on St George's day.
*whispers*
Thornberry is actually much more impressive, and rather clever, and handles questions well. And lshe's not helplessly posh. Labour could do worse, as they steer away from Corbyn.
What's the price on her, post-Corbyn? Labour's first women leader. I'd go for her, if I were them.
Come off it mate, white van man loathes her, she'd be as bad as Corbyn
Thornberry is actually pretty good. And she has a very nice voice. She took a picture of England flags. But there it is.
She sneered at the working class I think you meant to say
If you say so. I would say she ripped the piss out of a numbnut who made his house look crap!
Keith Vaz has a large but faded England flag flying on his Uppingham rd office. No Labour posters etc though.
Times must be tough in the washing machine business.
While we marvel at Diane's meltdown, just remember, she is not the worst media performer in the shadow cabinet...
Can we have Lady Emily tomorrow please, I don't think she's yet been asked how she will celebrate her party's proposal for a public holiday on St George's day.
*whispers*
Thornberry is actually much more impressive, and rather clever, and handles questions well. And lshe's not helplessly posh. Labour could do worse, as they steer away from Corbyn.
What's the price on her, post-Corbyn? Labour's first women leader. I'd go for her, if I were them.
Come off it mate, white van man loathes her, she'd be as bad as Corbyn
Thornberry is actually pretty good. And she has a very nice voice. She took a picture of England flags. But there it is.
The word associated with her is sneering, exactly the attitude that repulses labour voters about tories. Thornberry will win votes in London but outside of there she'd be a disaster.
She's the epitome of labour's demise
She has her downsides. But compared to rest of the Corbynistas she is a mistress of excellence.
Yes, that is the point. Ideally for Labour, post-Corbyn, there would be a superb Blair like candidate, adored by the membership, ready to take over. But there isn't. Nowhere near. Starmer is a robot, he's really not a leader. Jarvis is lightweight. Cooper has no chance with the members - too right wing, too Blairy.
So you must search for someone - anyone! - closer to Corbyn. That's when Thornberry makes a bit of sense. She very probably won't win a GE, but she could be a Howard character, who makes the party seem electable and sensible, at some point in the future.
But then again, I am mildly drunk.
How much booze have you had?!
I'm a public sector worker, early middle aged woman, fairly centre left in political leanings and I think she's a sneery pillock with the intellectual depth of a puddle.
They need a serious much loved political heavyweight like John Smith (none of those left) or a Marmite salesman like T Blair.
Who will be left standing? Angela Rayner and Wes Streeting? The party of Attlee and Bevan. Enough to make you weep.
While we marvel at Diane's meltdown, just remember, she is not the worst media performer in the shadow cabinet...
Can we have Lady Emily tomorrow please, I don't think she's yet been asked how she will celebrate her party's proposal for a public holiday on St George's day.
*whispers*
Thornberry is actually much more impressive, and rather clever, and handles questions well. And lshe's not helplessly posh. Labour could do worse, as they steer away from Corbyn.
What's the price on her, post-Corbyn? Labour's first women leader. I'd go for her, if I were them.
Come off it mate, white van man loathes her, she'd be as bad as Corbyn
Thornberry is actually pretty good. And she has a very nice voice. She took a picture of England flags. But there it is.
She sneered at the working class I think you meant to say
If you say so. I would say she ripped the piss out of a numbnut who made his house look crap!
Yes, flying the flag would tend to get some Labour types thinking that.
The rest of us however......
When did you last have an England flag on your house?
PB will be offline for a bit whilst I delete the thread I wrote earlier on this year, tipping Diane Abbott as next Labour leader.
No need to overreact - in a world where they are apparently planning for Corbyn to stay on even if Lab suffer a landslide loss, and would likely win a contest, why not Abbott?
Where is your evidence that Corbyn would win a contest in the event of a defeat? I believe polling of the selectorate shows otherwise...
It was a supposition.
What genuinely puzzles me is why Corbyn is putting himself through this campaign only to face heavy defeat and humiliation. Within four months of the election he will have been ousted - if he fails to stand down. It seems an act of pure masochism which sits alongside his lack of core survival instincts evidenced by his failure to block the election.
Decapitation strikes only work when you keep it secret and don't blab about it to the world.
The woman's not perfect- they do seem to be getting carried away a bit. Before the announcement 3-4 would have been a great result, and technically still would be, but they'll want so much more.
Has she confirmed she's not leaving Holyrood for a Westminster seat yet?
That would be a gift to the SNP - so I don't think she'll stand
While we marvel at Diane's meltdown, just remember, she is not the worst media performer in the shadow cabinet...
Can we have Lady Emily tomorrow please, I don't think she's yet been asked how she will celebrate her party's proposal for a public holiday on St George's day.
*whispers*
Thornberry is actually much more impressive, and rather clever, and handles questions well. And lshe's not helplessly posh. Labour could do worse, as they steer away from Corbyn.
What's the price on her, post-Corbyn? Labour's first women leader. I'd go for her, if I were them.
Come off it mate, white van man loathes her, she'd be as bad as Corbyn
Thornberry is actually pretty good. And she has a very nice voice. She took a picture of England flags. But there it is.
She sneered at the working class I think you meant to say
If you say so. I would say she ripped the piss out of a numbnut who made his house look crap!
And this is why Labout are the wrong party for the proletariat - they basically can't stand the f*****s.
PB will be offline for a bit whilst I delete the thread I wrote earlier on this year, tipping Diane Abbott as next Labour leader.
No need to overreact - in a world where they are apparently planning for Corbyn to stay on even if Lab suffer a landslide loss, and would likely win a contest, why not Abbott?
Where is your evidence that Corbyn would win a contest in the event of a defeat? I believe polling of the selectorate shows otherwise...
It was a supposition.
What genuinely puzzles me is why Corbyn is putting himself through this campaign only to face heavy defeat and humiliation. Within four months of the election he will have been ousted - if he fails to stand down. It seems an act of pure masochism which sits alongside his lack of core survival instincts evidenced by his failure to block the election.
Either he thinks quitting now would be even worse for his cause, or he is hoping like hell for a black swan event, or he genuinely thinks he can win.
So weak. Seriously, it's not just that that doesn't work as an attack line, but you can't even reverse engineer it so as to see why anyone would have thought or hoped it might work. May is just resolutely and depressingly (to opponents and caricaturists) normal.
While we marvel at Diane's meltdown, just remember, she is not the worst media performer in the shadow cabinet...
Can we have Lady Emily tomorrow please, I don't think she's yet been asked how she will celebrate her party's proposal for a public holiday on St George's day.
*whispers*
Thornberry is actually much more impressive, and rather clever, and handles questions well. And lshe's not helplessly posh. Labour could do worse, as they steer away from Corbyn.
What's the price on her, post-Corbyn? Labour's first women leader. I'd go for her, if I were them.
Come off it mate, white van man loathes her, she'd be as bad as Corbyn
Thornberry is actually pretty good. And she has a very nice voice. She took a picture of England flags. But there it is.
The word associated with her is sneering, exactly the attitude that repulses labour voters about tories. Thornberry will win votes in London but outside of there she'd be a disaster.
She's the epitome of labour's demise
She has her downsides. But compared to rest of the Corbynistas she is a mistress of excellence.
Yes, that is the point. Ideally for Labour, post-Corbyn, there would be a superb Blair like candidate, adored by the membership, ready to take over. But there isn't. Nowhere near. Starmer is a robot, he's really not a leader. Jarvis is lightweight. Cooper has no chance with the members - too right wing, too Blairy.
So you must search for someone - anyone! - closer to Corbyn. That's when Thornberry makes a bit of sense. She very probably won't win a GE, but she could be a Howard character, who makes the party seem electable and sensible, at some point in the future.
But then again, I am mildly drunk.
No, Labour is not ready for a Blair. They need a Kinnock first, who will be trusted by all factions and who will have the authority and motivation to purge Momentum or convert them to the mainstream.
Kinnock may not have had enough following in the country, but he did in the party. Before the Messiah comes John the Baptist.
PB will be offline for a bit whilst I delete the thread I wrote earlier on this year, tipping Diane Abbott as next Labour leader.
No need to overreact - in a world where they are apparently planning for Corbyn to stay on even if Lab suffer a landslide loss, and would likely win a contest, why not Abbott?
Where is your evidence that Corbyn would win a contest in the event of a defeat? I believe polling of the selectorate shows otherwise...
It was a supposition.
What genuinely puzzles me is why Corbyn is putting himself through this campaign only to face heavy defeat and humiliation. Within four months of the election he will have been ousted - if he fails to stand down. It seems an act of pure masochism which sits alongside his lack of core survival instincts evidenced by his failure to block the election.
Either he thinks quitting now would be even worse for his cause, or he is hoping like hell for a black swan event, or he genuinely thinks he can win.
Decapitation strikes only work when you keep it secret and don't blab about it to the world.
The woman's not perfect- they do seem to be getting carried away a bit. Before the announcement 3-4 would have been a great result, and technically still would be, but they'll want so much more.
Has she confirmed she's not leaving Holyrood for a Westminster seat yet?
That would be a gift to the SNP - so I don't think she'll stand
Well indeed - she seems like she'd have a bright career in Westminster, and she could argue with the SCON revival (they are second, albeit distant second, inHolyrood) that others can continue the fight there, but it would make it seem like they were all just waiting for 'proper' jobs in London.
PB will be offline for a bit whilst I delete the thread I wrote earlier on this year, tipping Diane Abbott as next Labour leader.
No need to overreact - in a world where they are apparently planning for Corbyn to stay on even if Lab suffer a landslide loss, and would likely win a contest, why not Abbott?
Where is your evidence that Corbyn would win a contest in the event of a defeat? I believe polling of the selectorate shows otherwise...
It was a supposition.
What genuinely puzzles me is why Corbyn is putting himself through this campaign only to face heavy defeat and humiliation. Within four months of the election he will have been ousted - if he fails to stand down. It seems an act of pure masochism which sits alongside his lack of core survival instincts evidenced by his failure to block the election.
Either he thinks quitting now would be even worse for his cause, or he is hoping like hell for a black swan event, or he genuinely thinks he can win.
Decapitation strikes only work when you keep it secret and don't blab about it to the world.
The woman's not perfect- they do seem to be getting carried away a bit. Before the announcement 3-4 would have been a great result, and technically still would be, but they'll want so much more.
Has she confirmed she's not leaving Holyrood for a Westminster seat yet?
That would be a gift to the SNP - so I don't think she'll stand
Well indeed - she seems like she'd have a bright career in Westminster, and she could argue with the SCON revival (they are second, albeit distant second, inHolyrood) that others can continue the fight there, but it would make it seem like they were all just waiting for 'proper' jobs in London.
Which is exactly why I think she should/will stay in Scotland.
PB will be offline for a bit whilst I delete the thread I wrote earlier on this year, tipping Diane Abbott as next Labour leader.
No need to overreact - in a world where they are apparently planning for Corbyn to stay on even if Lab suffer a landslide loss, and would likely win a contest, why not Abbott?
Where is your evidence that Corbyn would win a contest in the event of a defeat? I believe polling of the selectorate shows otherwise...
It was a supposition.
What genuinely puzzles me is why Corbyn is putting himself through this campaign only to face heavy defeat and humiliation. Within four months of the election he will have been ousted - if he fails to stand down. It seems an act of pure masochism which sits alongside his lack of core survival instincts evidenced by his failure to block the election.
True, but what kind of maniac has chips and coffee/tea?
My wife does as long as it's tea and she has not shown any maniac tendencies in the 54 years we have been married
Not much wrong with tea with your chips. Used to get that quite often from burger vans. The only downside is if the chips are particularly scorching hot then a cup of tea is bloody useless for cooling your mouth down.
PB will be offline for a bit whilst I delete the thread I wrote earlier on this year, tipping Diane Abbott as next Labour leader.
No need to overreact - in a world where they are apparently planning for Corbyn to stay on even if Lab suffer a landslide loss, and would likely win a contest, why not Abbott?
Where is your evidence that Corbyn would win a contest in the event of a defeat? I believe polling of the selectorate shows otherwise...
It was a supposition.
What genuinely puzzles me is why Corbyn is putting himself through this campaign only to face heavy defeat and humiliation. Within four months of the election he will have been ousted - if he fails to stand down. It seems an act of pure masochism which sits alongside his lack of core survival instincts evidenced by his failure to block the election.
I know this seems mad but I really think he believes he can win. Can you imagine the sort of bunker atmosphere there must be in Labour HQ, after the coup attempts, hostile media coverage, resignations? If you turn on the taps Kool And will come out. Another Corbyn Trump parallel..
So weak. Seriously, it's not just that that doesn't work as an attack line, but you can't even reverse engineer it so as to see why anyone would have thought or hoped it might work. May is just resolutely and depressingly (to opponents and caricaturists) normal.
Embarrassingly similar to teenage bullying, this "awkward photo" thing.. I said just the same when it was EdM on the receiving end, and I didn't vote for him and wont be voting for May. Adults would hate it if their kids were cyber bullied over bad photos, what kind of example are they setting?
No, Labour is not ready for a Blair. They need a Kinnock first, who will be trusted by all factions and who will have the authority and motivation to purge Momentum or convert them to the mainstream.
Kinnock may not have had enough following in the country, but he did in the party. Before the Messiah comes John the Baptist.
That is where I think Kier Starmer is at the moment. While not necessarily 'liked' by all he is not disliked by any.
PB will be offline for a bit whilst I delete the thread I wrote earlier on this year, tipping Diane Abbott as next Labour leader.
No need to overreact - in a world where they are apparently planning for Corbyn to stay on even if Lab suffer a landslide loss, and would likely win a contest, why not Abbott?
Where is your evidence that Corbyn would win a contest in the event of a defeat? I believe polling of the selectorate shows otherwise...
It was a supposition.
What genuinely puzzles me is why Corbyn is putting himself through this campaign only to face heavy defeat and humiliation. Within four months of the election he will have been ousted - if he fails to stand down. It seems an act of pure masochism which sits alongside his lack of core survival instincts evidenced by his failure to block the election.
Either he thinks quitting now would be even worse for his cause, or he is hoping like hell for a black swan event, or he genuinely thinks he can win.
Or he's a deep cover CCHQ agent.....
Shhhh - not to be spoken of until June 9th!
Oh crap. At least it'll take MI6 a few hours to reach me here.
PB will be offline for a bit whilst I delete the thread I wrote earlier on this year, tipping Diane Abbott as next Labour leader.
No need to overreact - in a world where they are apparently planning for Corbyn to stay on even if Lab suffer a landslide loss, and would likely win a contest, why not Abbott?
Where is your evidence that Corbyn would win a contest in the event of a defeat? I believe polling of the selectorate shows otherwise...
It was a supposition.
What genuinely puzzles me is why Corbyn is putting himself through this campaign only to face heavy defeat and humiliation. Within four months of the election he will have been ousted - if he fails to stand down. It seems an act of pure masochism which sits alongside his lack of core survival instincts evidenced by his failure to block the election.
Either he thinks quitting now would be even worse for his cause, or he is hoping like hell for a black swan event, or he genuinely thinks he can win.
Do you believe he thinks he can conduct a Bernie Sanders campaign?
While we marvel at Diane's meltdown, just remember, she is not the worst media performer in the shadow cabinet...
Can we have Lady Emily tomorrow please, I don't think she's yet been asked how she will celebrate her party's proposal for a public holiday on St George's day.
*whispers*
Thornberry is actually much more impressive, and rather clever, and handles questions well. And lshe's not helplessly posh. Labour could do worse, as they steer away from Corbyn.
What's the price on her, post-Corbyn? Labour's first women leader. I'd go for her, if I were them.
Come off it mate, white van man loathes her, she'd be as bad as Corbyn
Thornberry is actually pretty good. And she has a very nice voice. She took a picture of England flags. But there it is.
She sneered at the working class I think you meant to say
If you say so. I would say she ripped the piss out of a numbnut who made his house look crap!
Keith Vaz has a large but faded England flag flying on his Uppingham rd office. No Labour posters etc though.
Times must be tough in the washing machine business.
I am tempted to write something about plumbers who like to lay pipe .......
While we marvel at Diane's meltdown, just remember, she is not the worst media performer in the shadow cabinet...
Can we have Lady Emily tomorrow please, I don't think she's yet been asked how she will celebrate her party's proposal for a public holiday on St George's day.
*whispers*
Thornberry is actually much more impressive, and rather clever, and handles questions well. And lshe's not helplessly posh. Labour could do worse, as they steer away from Corbyn.
What's the price on her, post-Corbyn? Labour's first women leader. I'd go for her, if I were them.
Come off it mate, white van man loathes her, she'd be as bad as Corbyn
Thornberry is actually pretty good. And she has a very nice voice. She took a picture of England flags. But there it is.
She sneered at the working class I think you meant to say
If you say so. I would say she ripped the piss out of a numbnut who made his house look crap!
So weak. Seriously, it's not just that that doesn't work as an attack line, but you can't even reverse engineer it so as to see why anyone would have thought or hoped it might work. May is just resolutely and depressingly (to opponents and caricaturists) normal.
I disagree with Don Brind, the objective of moderate, sane Labour should be to sit on their hands and ensure a Tory landslide of at least 100+ seats which can all be blamed on Corbynism. That would then give the likes of Keir Starmer the chance of a successful leadership challenge post defeat. If May only gets a majority of 50-100 or even less Corbyn can say he won the expectations game but was undermined by Blairites and has a good chance of being reelected.
However the line 'there is no one on the Labour side who specialises in Fallonic thuggery' is hilarious, no names mentioned Messrs Campbell, Mandelson, Brown, Balls, Whelan and McBride
True, but what kind of maniac has chips and coffee/tea?
My wife does as long as it's tea and she has not shown any maniac tendencies in the 54 years we have been married
Hah, probably too strong a word. I still think it is a little odd to have a hot drink with chips.
My wife drinks tea with everything. Must be to do with her Scottish fishing background. I was once out in a Seiner from Lossiemouth and the teapot went on the stove on leaving the harbour and stayed on throughout the whole three day trip
So weak. Seriously, it's not just that that doesn't work as an attack line, but you can't even reverse engineer it so as to see why anyone would have thought or hoped it might work. May is just resolutely and depressingly (to opponents and caricaturists) normal.
No, Labour is not ready for a Blair. They need a Kinnock first, who will be trusted by all factions and who will have the authority and motivation to purge Momentum or convert them to the mainstream.
Kinnock may not have had enough following in the country, but he did in the party. Before the Messiah comes John the Baptist.
That is where I think Kier Starmer is at the moment. While not necessarily 'liked' by all he is not disliked by any.
Starmer is much like a Milliband, but without the charm.
While we marvel at Diane's meltdown, just remember, she is not the worst media performer in the shadow cabinet...
Can we have Lady Emily tomorrow please, I don't think she's yet been asked how she will celebrate her party's proposal for a public holiday on St George's day.
*whispers*
Thornberry is actually much more impressive, and rather clever, and handles questions well. And lshe's not helplessly posh. Labour could do worse, as they steer away from Corbyn.
What's the price on her, post-Corbyn? Labour's first women leader. I'd go for her, if I were them.
Come off it mate, white van man loathes her, she'd be as bad as Corbyn
Thornberry is actually pretty good. And she has a very nice voice. She took a picture of England flags. But there it is.
The word associated with her is sneering, exactly the attitude that repulses labour voters about tories. Thornberry will win votes in London but outside of there she'd be a disaster.
She's the epitome of labour's demise
She has her downsides. But compared to rest of the Corbynistas she is a mistress of excellence.
Yes, that is the point. Ideally for Labour, post-Corbyn, there would be a superb Blair like candidate, adored by the membership, ready to take over. But there isn't. Nowhere near. Starmer is a robot, he's really not a leader. Jarvis is lightweight. Cooper has no chance with the members - too right wing, too Blairy.
So you must search for someone - anyone! - closer to Corbyn. That's when Thornberry makes a bit of sense. She very probably won't win a GE, but she could be a Howard character, who makes the party seem electable and sensible, at some point in the future.
But then again, I am mildly drunk.
Labour need a Kinnock or Howard someone like Starmer before they can elect a Blair or Cameron like Umunna
So weak. Seriously, it's not just that that doesn't work as an attack line, but you can't even reverse engineer it so as to see why anyone would have thought or hoped it might work. May is just resolutely and depressingly (to opponents and caricaturists) normal.
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https://www.betfair.com/exchange/politics/event/28051208/market?marketId=1.120629096
"Returning ISIS fighters should be allowed back in the country" top trumps "White people divide and rule"
It's a score draw on the hypocrisy over their children's schooling I believe
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dWk29MhTb-g&t=692s
She must be an incredible local MP, as she's safe as houses. (Yes, it's a safe seat, but she hasn't been so bad it makes it in play)
As it is free, it would still be free.
She's the epitome of labour's demise
Twitter amusement:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C-2MoSwXYAIOX_2.jpg:large
We've all been there. The truth is that people want politicians to be people - but they also expect us to be super-human and we're not, and we will make mistakes at times. What can you do?"
That's a measured, reasonable statement. One thing you can do is not throw a wobbler and blame the media and your opponents for questioning you about your horrible performance. Diane obviously disagrees.
Depending on how many Labour MPs are left after June, who says she won't be?
http://www.scotsman.com/news/politics/general-election/ruth-davidson-our-titanic-battle-to-oust-angus-robertson-1-4434888
Decapitation strikes only work when you keep it secret and don't blab about it to the world.
Not exactly gone for it here
Back (Bet For)
Chuka Umunna
26.00 £14.13 £353.25
Emily Thornberry
34.00 £2.04 £67.32
Ed Balls
185.67 £20.00 £3,693.30
Ed Miliband
350.55 £31.00 £10,836.00
£67.17
Lay (Bet Against)
Clive Lewis
7.60 £2.00 £13.20
Rebecca Long-Bailey
10.15 £20.00 £183.00 .
Ed Balls
76.01 £5.00 £375.05 .
£27.00
Has she confirmed she's not leaving Holyrood for a Westminster seat yet?
The rest of us however......
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NiY5RPXyEfU
Times must be tough in the washing machine business.
I'm a public sector worker, early middle aged woman, fairly centre left in political leanings and I think she's a sneery pillock with the intellectual depth of a puddle.
They need a serious much loved political heavyweight like John Smith (none of those left) or a Marmite salesman like T Blair.
Who will be left standing? Angela Rayner and Wes Streeting? The party of Attlee and Bevan. Enough to make you weep.
Hm... now I want pineapple pizza AND chips.
Kinnock may not have had enough following in the country, but he did in the party. Before the Messiah comes John the Baptist.
"a what"
"a human person"
"I am"
"but"
"this is my best standing human p… https://twitter.com/i/web/status/859128250215395329
https://twitter.com/daisynorfolk/status/859141861012901889
However the line 'there is no one on the Labour side who specialises in Fallonic thuggery' is hilarious, no names mentioned Messrs Campbell, Mandelson, Brown, Balls, Whelan and McBride
We might get other polls in between, but nothing has been officially confirmed to me.
Edit: Just checked my spam folder, nothing.
Conversations even suggesting Thornberry as next leader after her catastrophic 2015 campaign show where labour is at - royally fucked.