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Which sadly isn't saying much these days......a party where Chukka is seen as a saviour.....yea gods!Sean_F said:
She's one of your better MP's.surbiton said:
Why was a Tory allowed in the Labour Party in the first place ? Imagine taking a selfie with Gingrich.bobajobPB said:
Hoey is an odious figure.williamglenn said:
Much obliged. I think you underestimate the anger against her in the constituency. Nigel Farage with a red rosette in London is not an attractive proposition.rcs1000 said:
Yes, of course.williamglenn said:
Can I have a tenner too if you're that confident?rcs1000 said:
You are also a wild optimist. I'll take your £10 too.IanB2 said:
You can put me down for £10 if you are opening a book?rcs1000 said:
You want £50 at 10-1 on the LibDem's winning Vauxhall?TheScreamingEagles said:
Can I have £50 on that?rcs1000 said:
Vauxhall was 80.7% Remain according to Hanretty. The LibDems start at 6.9%, 43% behind Ms Hoey.williamglenn said:
A target for the London Lib Dem Remain focused campaign to aim at.TheScreamingEagles said:Kate Hoey standing again in Vauxhall.
Mind you, if* they could pick up half the Remain vote, they'd be in with a chance.
I'll offer you 10-1 if you want.
* You can't see it, but that's a very big if.
Sure, I'll take your money.
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You could call it 'the politician's promise'!malcolmg said:
Best to make it a cheap one as they are forever breaking themJackW said:
Indeed. But they occur despite all good intentions. A basic phone is a useful insurance.TGOHF said:
Imagine putting a 7yo in a horrible situation...JackW said:
Imagine a horrible situation that might have been avoided or mitigated had the seven year old had a basic phone.TheScreamingEagles said:
I kinda agree, but my mother keeps on mentioning it, she's the sort, if she could, would have kept me wrapped up in cotton wool until I was 25.Chameleon said:
For me, yes. I'd leave it until 10.TheScreamingEagles said:O/T -I need some advice.
What's the right age to give a child his first mobile phone?
It won't be an iPhone/smartphone, just a basic phone with a sim only deal so he can call his Dad or his grandparents in emergencies.
Is 7 years old too soon?
No brainer IMO.
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You only don't understand because of your warped view of Brexit. Anyone who has any sense appreciates what they have done and is grateful for it.tpfkar said:Cannot understand the praise being heaped on Douglas Carswell and Gisela Stuart today.
From where I'm standing, they've led the country down a dark path, and are running away before the consequences become known. If they really believe this is right for Britain they should stay and make it happen and take the credit / blame properly.
I'm sure they are both decent constituency MPs, and I've always admired Douglas Carswell's views on democracy (other than the EU) but this comes across as running scared from any accountability for what they've done.0 -
https://twitter.com/geraldhowarth/status/855040272744538112
Hooray the next Parliament will be less bigoted.0 -
Fat Crap Elvis Impersonator...you are needed...0
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The symbolism of that poster is all wrong. If Corbyn has the qualities claimed, he should be the shining light, not turning away from the mysterious source of light in front of him and casting a shadow.0
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Fiona MacTaggart quits:
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/general-election-fiona-mactaggart-labour-mp-stand-down-jeremy-corbyn-key-speech-slough-a7692551.html
I rather suspect she is jumping before the electorate pushes her. However, she leaves with rather a nasty side-swipe at Corbyn delivered to the media in the middle of his campaign launch.0 -
Should say that my Tory voting, but considering going LD acquaintance was also uncertain because they'd read Tim Farron thinks homosexuality is sinful - seems like they still need to get ahead of that whole issue and clarify his position some more, or it might cost a few crucial votes.0
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On the other hand, maybe his talents are best suited to developing new ideas and writing books like 'The Plan', rather than being an MP in a parliamentary system based on party whips (I know you don't like this system, but it is how it is).Richard_Tyndall said:Sad to see Douglas Carswell will not be standing again. Personally I think he has been one of the very best MPs in the last 20 years and has made a massive positive contribution to changing our country for the better by his campaigning over Brexit. A great loss to Parliament and the country.
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Slightly poorly worded market. I read it as you did, as the date he no longer holds the office, but could "formally steps down" mean the date on which he tenders his resignation to the NEC? I'd be worried they'd not pay out on Q3.TheScreamingEagles said:
Stoopid odds.Scott_P said:
It takes around 3 months for a Labour leadership election, so his exit could be in time for the Labour conference, So Q3 is the best option
Labour often has an interim leader, so he may go immediately after the election. But I agree it's less likely this time as the interim leader would presumably be Watson, and Corbyn won't want that as he seeks to secure a successor in his own image.0 -
Yes. 100 is much easier to remember than 85.CarlottaVance said:
It does seem rather over-engineered - I trust Rudd is working on something very much simplerRichard_Nabavi said:
I can't believe that that is going to be an issue. Still, it's a nice one for us graciously to concede, if they are looking for a 'win'.CarlottaVance said:...
Most notably, member states have challenged Britain’s requirement that EU migrants complete an 85-page form to prove that they are permanently resident in the UK.0 -
Quite. The retro Nokia is about £40.malcolmg said:
Best to make it a cheap one as they are forever breaking themJackW said:
Indeed. But they occur despite all good intentions. A basic phone is a useful insurance.TGOHF said:
Imagine putting a 7yo in a horrible situation...JackW said:
Imagine a horrible situation that might have been avoided or mitigated had the seven year old had a basic phone.TheScreamingEagles said:
I kinda agree, but my mother keeps on mentioning it, she's the sort, if she could, would have kept me wrapped up in cotton wool until I was 25.Chameleon said:
For me, yes. I'd leave it until 10.TheScreamingEagles said:O/T -I need some advice.
What's the right age to give a child his first mobile phone?
It won't be an iPhone/smartphone, just a basic phone with a sim only deal so he can call his Dad or his grandparents in emergencies.
Is 7 years old too soon?
No brainer IMO.0 -
It's McTernan, advisor to Australian and Scottish Labour.rottenborough said:Prince over the Water action:
https://www.prospectmagazine.co.uk/politics/a-letter-to-david-miliband0 -
Goodness me. I know I have been on this site much less recently but I always thought you were one of the most thoughtful and persuasive Leavers ahead of the referendum. Not someone who would resort to "warped view" and "anyone who has any sense" lightly.Richard_Tyndall said:
You only don't understand because of your warped view of Brexit. Anyone who has any sense appreciates what they have done and is grateful for it.tpfkar said:Cannot understand the praise being heaped on Douglas Carswell and Gisela Stuart today.
From where I'm standing, they've led the country down a dark path, and are running away before the consequences become known. If they really believe this is right for Britain they should stay and make it happen and take the credit / blame properly.
I'm sure they are both decent constituency MPs, and I've always admired Douglas Carswell's views on democracy (other than the EU) but this comes across as running scared from any accountability for what they've done.
I've been clear that my real concern for months has been how to unite the country after the divisiveness of the referendum, and these comments just show how far there is to go. The election may or may not be part of the healing process, too early to say but it may be a necessary step.0 -
Will Hannan take on Carswell's seat?0
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Indeed. Well made point.frpenkridge said:Corbyn "too rubbish to be scary". Wasn't that the mistake the PLP made in the first place?
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kle4 said:
It's an interesting issue. They mocked Ed M, then tried to make him seem scary, but that didn't work on its own as he was supposed to be a joke, according to Tory statements up to then. The SNP hand pulling his strings made him seem a it scarier. Corbyn? Well...Scott_P said:
So if the scare tactics can't work, bring on the carrot. Try giving people a reason to vote FOR something for a change ... OK, that's fantasy land too, I admit.0 -
Any views on Ynys Môn?0
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That's the mentality of Momentum. She votes with Labour on almost everything, but she's still a "Tory".surbiton said:
She is not one of my MPs. She is, at best, a DUP MP. She is really a Tory. I am not sure she would have got the nomination if it was not imposed.Sean_F said:
She's one of your better MP's.surbiton said:
Why was a Tory allowed in the Labour Party in the first place ? Imagine taking a selfie with Gingrich.bobajobPB said:
Hoey is an odious figure.williamglenn said:
Much obliged. I think you underestimate the anger against her in the constituency. Nigel Farage with a red rosette in London is not an attractive proposition.rcs1000 said:
Yes, of course.williamglenn said:
Can I have a tenner too if you're that confident?rcs1000 said:
You are also a wild optimist. I'll take your £10 too.IanB2 said:
You can put me down for £10 if you are opening a book?rcs1000 said:
You want £50 at 10-1 on the LibDem's winning Vauxhall?TheScreamingEagles said:
Can I have £50 on that?rcs1000 said:
Vauxhall was 80.7% Remain according to Hanretty. The LibDems start at 6.9%, 43% behind Ms Hoey.williamglenn said:
A target for the London Lib Dem Remain focused campaign to aim at.TheScreamingEagles said:Kate Hoey standing again in Vauxhall.
Mind you, if* they could pick up half the Remain vote, they'd be in with a chance.
I'll offer you 10-1 if you want.
* You can't see it, but that's a very big if.
Sure, I'll take your money.
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I tend to agree with @tpfkar on Carswell. Stuart is 61 so perhaps she feels that now is the time to go having been and MP since 1997, but Carswell is 45 and has only been an MP since 2005. My guess is he's backed himself into a position that he knows he won't win his seat and doesn't want the humiliation of losing.0
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Richard_Nabavi said:
Any views on Ynys Môn?
Given its location, it's likely the views are spectacular from there.
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In their defence they are doing that too - vote for the strong and stable party, or whatever the slogan is. But obviously scare tactics are used for a reason, usually it works.MTimT said:kle4 said:
It's an interesting issue. They mocked Ed M, then tried to make him seem scary, but that didn't work on its own as he was supposed to be a joke, according to Tory statements up to then. The SNP hand pulling his strings made him seem a it scarier. Corbyn? Well...Scott_P said:
So if the scare tactics can't work, bring on the carrot. Try giving people a reason to vote FOR something for a change ... OK, that's fantasy land too, I admit.0 -
A cheap Nokia and see how he gets along with it? Plus if he loses it, it is no big deal.TheScreamingEagles said:O/T -I need some advice.
What's the right age to give a child his first mobile phone?
It won't be an iPhone/smartphone, just a basic phone with a sim only deal so he can call his Dad or his grandparents in emergencies.
Is 7 years old too soon?0 -
The European Commission wants Britain to pick up the tab for any costs related to its departure from the EU, such as the relocation of agencies now hosted by the U.K., and bear the currency risk by paying in euros, according to a draft of Brussels’ negotiating plan....
...But it is the Commission’s approach to the U.K.’s ongoing financial obligations to the EU that stands out in the document, suggesting that Brussels wants to make it very clear that leaving the bloc doesn’t come cheap.
“The United Kingdom should fully cover the specific costs related to the withdrawal process such as the relocation of the agencies or other Union bodies,” the Commission wrote, adding that the U.K.’s financial obligations to the EU “should be defined in euro” rather than sterling.
http://www.politico.eu/article/european-commission-wants-uk-to-pay-brexit-costs-in-euros/
Of course, there could be no downside to announcing this in the middle of an election campaign.......the danger is that leaving the EU, initially at least, could be very cheap....0 -
Good idea in principle. Unfortunately what would happen is all his mates with smartphones would take the piss and you'd end up having to get him one too. From a kid's point of view no phone is better than a basic cheap phone.old_labour said:
A cheap Nokia and see how he gets along with it? Plus if he loses it, it is no big deal.TheScreamingEagles said:O/T -I need some advice.
What's the right age to give a child his first mobile phone?
It won't be an iPhone/smartphone, just a basic phone with a sim only deal so he can call his Dad or his grandparents in emergencies.
Is 7 years old too soon?0 -
I quite agree, Mr. Tyndall. An honest and principled politician who will be missed.Richard_Tyndall said:Sad to see Douglas Carswell will not be standing again. Personally I think he has been one of the very best MPs in the last 20 years and has made a massive positive contribution to changing our country for the better by his campaigning over Brexit. A great loss to Parliament and the country.
Might I recommend that people read Tim Shipman's book "All out war" which gives an account into the deep background of the Referendum campaign in which a clear insight is given into the mindset of Carswell and his defection to UKIP (along with that of Reckless). An eye-opener of a book.0 -
Who CARES about the French election? We have our own in seven weeks
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Whilst I agree with your point, I couldn't help smiling at the thought of your views on Ms Soubry!Sean_F said:That's the mentality of Momentum. She votes with Labour on almost everything, but she's still a "Tory".
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Me and Meeks do. We both have more money on the French than the UK right now.Sunil_Prasannan said:Who CARES about the French election? We have our own in seven weeks
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FWIW
My son had a crap Nokia for certain occasions until he turned 13 and now has a crap Android phone.
The crappyness of the device is a key feature for me. The less time he uses it, the better.0 -
Her past rebellion rate is actually similar to Corbyns. Her views on a range of topics differ from the party she is meant to represent.Sean_F said:
That's the mentality of Momentum. She votes with Labour on almost everything, but she's still a "Tory".surbiton said:
She is not one of my MPs. She is, at best, a DUP MP. She is really a Tory. I am not sure she would have got the nomination if it was not imposed.Sean_F said:
She's one of your better MP's.surbiton said:
Why was a Tory allowed in the Labour Party in the first place ? Imagine taking a selfie with Gingrich.bobajobPB said:
Hoey is an odious figure.williamglenn said:
Much obliged. I think you underestimate the anger against her in the constituency. Nigel Farage with a red rosette in London is not an attractive proposition.rcs1000 said:
Yes, of course.williamglenn said:
Can I have a tenner too if you're that confident?rcs1000 said:
You are also a wild optimist. I'll take your £10 too.IanB2 said:
You can put me down for £10 if you are opening a book?rcs1000 said:
You want £50 at 10-1 on the LibDem's winning Vauxhall?TheScreamingEagles said:
Can I have £50 on that?rcs1000 said:
Vauxhall was 80.7% Remain according to Hanretty. The LibDems start at 6.9%, 43% behind Ms Hoey.williamglenn said:
A target for the London Lib Dem Remain focused campaign to aim at.TheScreamingEagles said:Kate Hoey standing again in Vauxhall.
Mind you, if* they could pick up half the Remain vote, they'd be in with a chance.
I'll offer you 10-1 if you want.
* You can't see it, but that's a very big if.
Sure, I'll take your money.
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Brilliant news. Teaches the c**t not to trust the Tories. Now he is maroooooooooooned.Richard_Tyndall said:Sad to see Douglas Carswell will not be standing again. Personally I think he has been one of the very best MPs in the last 20 years and has made a massive positive contribution to changing our country for the better by his campaigning over Brexit. A great loss to Parliament and the country.
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Those of us who've bet on it?Sunil_Prasannan said:Who CARES about the French election? We have our own in seven weeks
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Don't forget the Jez-Stone!FrancisUrquhart said:Fat Crap Elvis Impersonator...you are needed...
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Likewise. It has been an excellent betting event so far.Pulpstar said:
Me and Meeks do. We both have more money on the French than the UK right now.Sunil_Prasannan said:Who CARES about the French election? We have our own in seven weeks
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Still chasing the 0%...
@ChrisMasonBBC: A spokesman for the Labour Leader, Jeremy Corbyn has said 'a second (EU) referendum is not our policy and it won't be in our manifesto'0 -
Kate Hoey is a Labour MP, and on the vast majority of issues votes the same way as other Labour MPs.Sean_F said:
That's the mentality of Momentum. She votes with Labour on almost everything, but she's still a "Tory".surbiton said:
She is not one of my MPs. She is, at best, a DUP MP. She is really a Tory. I am not sure she would have got the nomination if it was not imposed.Sean_F said:
She's one of your better MP's.surbiton said:
Why was a Tory allowed in the Labour Party in the first place ? Imagine taking a selfie with Gingrich.bobajobPB said:
Hoey is an odious figure.williamglenn said:
Much obliged. I think you underestimate the anger against her in the constituency. Nigel Farage with a red rosette in London is not an attractive proposition.rcs1000 said:
Yes, of course.williamglenn said:
Can I have a tenner too if you're that confident?rcs1000 said:
You are also a wild optimist. I'll take your £10 too.IanB2 said:
You can put me down for £10 if you are opening a book?rcs1000 said:
You want £50 at 10-1 on the LibDem's winning Vauxhall?TheScreamingEagles said:
Can I have £50 on that?rcs1000 said:
Vauxhall was 80.7% Remain according to Hanretty. The LibDems start at 6.9%, 43% behind Ms Hoey.williamglenn said:
A target for the London Lib Dem Remain focused campaign to aim at.TheScreamingEagles said:Kate Hoey standing again in Vauxhall.
Mind you, if* they could pick up half the Remain vote, they'd be in with a chance.
I'll offer you 10-1 if you want.
* You can't see it, but that's a very big if.
Sure, I'll take your money.
https://twitter.com/katehoeymp/status/726782473330249728
https://www.theyworkforyou.com/mp/10282/kate_hoey/vauxhall0 -
Who are they saying this stuff for? Everyone agrees we should full cover our costs, surely, we just argue over what costs are our responsibility, and public sentiment on either side means little so why air in public to put pressure on?CarlottaVance said:The European Commission wants Britain to pick up the tab for any costs related to its departure from the EU, such as the relocation of agencies now hosted by the U.K., and bear the currency risk by paying in euros, according to a draft of Brussels’ negotiating plan....
...But it is the Commission’s approach to the U.K.’s ongoing financial obligations to the EU that stands out in the document, suggesting that Brussels wants to make it very clear that leaving the bloc doesn’t come cheap.
“The United Kingdom should fully cover the specific costs related to the withdrawal process such as the relocation of the agencies or other Union bodies,” the Commission wrote, adding that the U.K.’s financial obligations to the EU “should be defined in euro” rather than sterling.
http://www.politico.eu/article/european-commission-wants-uk-to-pay-brexit-costs-in-euros/
Of course, there could be no downside to announcing this in the middle of an election campaign.......the danger is that leaving the EU, initially at least, could be very cheap....
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The MEP chicken run is definitely something to watch. Wonder what the Commons/shit-sitcom ratio will ultimately be.GIN1138 said:
No its going to be the Vicar in Bread apparently.Jonathan said:Will Hannan take on Carswell's seat?
A Mrs Brown's boys type spinoff featuring Hannan and Farage would be great on channel 5.0 -
I don't think she votes with Labour on everything. Anyway why are you confusing me with Momentum ?Sean_F said:
That's the mentality of Momentum. She votes with Labour on almost everything, but she's still a "Tory".surbiton said:
She is not one of my MPs. She is, at best, a DUP MP. She is really a Tory. I am not sure she would have got the nomination if it was not imposed.Sean_F said:
She's one of your better MP's.surbiton said:
Why was a Tory allowed in the Labour Party in the first place ? Imagine taking a selfie with Gingrich.bobajobPB said:
Hoey is an odious figure.williamglenn said:
Much obliged. I think you underestimate the anger against her in the constituency. Nigel Farage with a red rosette in London is not an attractive proposition.rcs1000 said:
Yes, of course.williamglenn said:
Can I have a tenner too if you're that confident?rcs1000 said:
You are also a wild optimist. I'll take your £10 too.IanB2 said:
You can put me down for £10 if you are opening a book?rcs1000 said:
You want £50 at 10-1 on the LibDem's winning Vauxhall?TheScreamingEagles said:
Can I have £50 on that?rcs1000 said:
Vauxhall was 80.7% Remain according to Hanretty. The LibDems start at 6.9%, 43% behind Ms Hoey.williamglenn said:
A target for the London Lib Dem Remain focused campaign to aim at.TheScreamingEagles said:Kate Hoey standing again in Vauxhall.
Mind you, if* they could pick up half the Remain vote, they'd be in with a chance.
I'll offer you 10-1 if you want.
* You can't see it, but that's a very big if.
Sure, I'll take your money.
https://twitter.com/katehoeymp/status/7267824733302497280 -
Stay classy Surbiton only seven weeks to go.surbiton said:
Brilliant news. Teaches the c**t not to trust the Tories. Now he is maroooooooooooned.Richard_Tyndall said:Sad to see Douglas Carswell will not be standing again. Personally I think he has been one of the very best MPs in the last 20 years and has made a massive positive contribution to changing our country for the better by his campaigning over Brexit. A great loss to Parliament and the country.
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Personally, I doubt it's that. I suspect he'd win but, if he didn't, it will be a footnote on election night anyway.tlg86 said:I tend to agree with @tpfkar on Carswell. Stuart is 61 so perhaps she feels that now is the time to go having been and MP since 1997, but Carswell is 45 and has only been an MP since 2005. My guess is he's backed himself into a position that he knows he won't win his seat and doesn't want the humiliation of losing.
Seems to me more likely that he's more worried about the prospect of winning than losing. It's easier to get a new job and start a new chapter at 45 than 50 or 55. It's not like there's much of a career for him in politics now that he's burned not one bridge but two, and to be fair to him, he's not the sort of bloke to do it just for the pay packet.
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Who is this Chukka of whom you speak?CarlottaVance said:
Which sadly isn't saying much these days......a party where Chukka is seen as a saviour.....yea gods!Sean_F said:
She's one of your better MP's.surbiton said:
Why was a Tory allowed in the Labour Party in the first place ? Imagine taking a selfie with Gingrich.bobajobPB said:
Hoey is an odious figure.williamglenn said:
Much obliged. I think you underestimate the anger against her in the constituency. Nigel Farage with a red rosette in London is not an attractive proposition.rcs1000 said:
Yes, of course.williamglenn said:
Can I have a tenner too if you're that confident?rcs1000 said:
You are also a wild optimist. I'll take your £10 too.IanB2 said:
You can put me down for £10 if you are opening a book?rcs1000 said:
You want £50 at 10-1 on the LibDem's winning Vauxhall?TheScreamingEagles said:
Can I have £50 on that?rcs1000 said:
Vauxhall was 80.7% Remain according to Hanretty. The LibDems start at 6.9%, 43% behind Ms Hoey.williamglenn said:
A target for the London Lib Dem Remain focused campaign to aim at.TheScreamingEagles said:Kate Hoey standing again in Vauxhall.
Mind you, if* they could pick up half the Remain vote, they'd be in with a chance.
I'll offer you 10-1 if you want.
* You can't see it, but that's a very big if.
Sure, I'll take your money.
https://twitter.com/katehoeymp/status/726782473330249728
Do you mean Chuka?
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I doubt her high-profile advocacy of fox hunting was inspired by her constituency mailbag either.Artist said:
Her past rebellion rate is actually similar to Corbyns. Her views on a range of topics differ from the party she is meant to represent.Sean_F said:
That's the mentality of Momentum. She votes with Labour on almost everything, but she's still a "Tory".surbiton said:
She is not one of my MPs. She is, at best, a DUP MP. She is really a Tory. I am not sure she would have got the nomination if it was not imposed.Sean_F said:
She's one of your better MP's.surbiton said:
Why was a Tory allowed in the Labour Party in the first place ? Imagine taking a selfie with Gingrich.bobajobPB said:
Hoey is an odious figure.williamglenn said:
Much obliged. I think you underestimate the anger against her in the constituency. Nigel Farage with a red rosette in London is not an attractive proposition.rcs1000 said:
Yes, of course.williamglenn said:
Can I have a tenner too if you're that confident?rcs1000 said:
You are also a wild optimist. I'll take your £10 too.IanB2 said:
You can put me down for £10 if you are opening a book?rcs1000 said:
You want £50 at 10-1 on the LibDem's winning Vauxhall?TheScreamingEagles said:
Can I have £50 on that?rcs1000 said:
Vauxhall was 80.7% Remain according to Hanretty. The LibDems start at 6.9%, 43% behind Ms Hoey.williamglenn said:
A target for the London Lib Dem Remain focused campaign to aim at.TheScreamingEagles said:Kate Hoey standing again in Vauxhall.
Mind you, if* they could pick up half the Remain vote, they'd be in with a chance.
I'll offer you 10-1 if you want.
* You can't see it, but that's a very big if.
Sure, I'll take your money.
https://twitter.com/katehoeymp/status/7267824733302497280 -
Like Corbyn did you mean ?CarlottaVance said:
Kate Hoey is a Labour MP, and on the vast majority of issues votes the same way as other Labour MPs.Sean_F said:
That's the mentality of Momentum. She votes with Labour on almost everything, but she's still a "Tory".surbiton said:
She is not one of my MPs. She is, at best, a DUP MP. She is really a Tory. I am not sure she would have got the nomination if it was not imposed.Sean_F said:
She's one of your better MP's.surbiton said:
Why was a Tory allowed in the Labour Party in the first place ? Imagine taking a selfie with Gingrich.bobajobPB said:
Hoey is an odious figure.williamglenn said:
Much obliged. I think you underestimate the anger against her in the constituency. Nigel Farage with a red rosette in London is not an attractive proposition.rcs1000 said:
Yes, of course.williamglenn said:
Can I have a tenner too if you're that confident?rcs1000 said:
You are also a wild optimist. I'll take your £10 too.IanB2 said:
You can put me down for £10 if you are opening a book?rcs1000 said:
You want £50 at 10-1 on the LibDem's winning Vauxhall?TheScreamingEagles said:
Can I have £50 on that?rcs1000 said:
Vauxhall was 80.7% Remain according to Hanretty. The LibDems start at 6.9%, 43% behind Ms Hoey.williamglenn said:
A target for the London Lib Dem Remain focused campaign to aim at.TheScreamingEagles said:Kate Hoey standing again in Vauxhall.
Mind you, if* they could pick up half the Remain vote, they'd be in with a chance.
I'll offer you 10-1 if you want.
* You can't see it, but that's a very big if.
Sure, I'll take your money.
https://twitter.com/katehoeymp/status/726782473330249728
https://www.theyworkforyou.com/mp/10282/kate_hoey/vauxhall0 -
Not to trust them? He quit the party, and if reports are right they did not ease his way back in. If we accept his reasons for leaving as valid, then both sides would seem to be behaving very reasonably - if they did things that caused him reasonably to flounce off, fine, but having done so, why should they let him back in, without cost? If we ever ask to go back into the EU, expect us to be held over a barrel, and fair enough.surbiton said:
Brilliant news. Teaches the c**t not to trust the Tories. Now he is maroooooooooooned.Richard_Tyndall said:Sad to see Douglas Carswell will not be standing again. Personally I think he has been one of the very best MPs in the last 20 years and has made a massive positive contribution to changing our country for the better by his campaigning over Brexit. A great loss to Parliament and the country.
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Where is Justin Kill'em All today? All that booze wearing off?GIN1138 said:
Stay classy Surbiton only seven weeks to go.surbiton said:
Brilliant news. Teaches the c**t not to trust the Tories. Now he is maroooooooooooned.Richard_Tyndall said:Sad to see Douglas Carswell will not be standing again. Personally I think he has been one of the very best MPs in the last 20 years and has made a massive positive contribution to changing our country for the better by his campaigning over Brexit. A great loss to Parliament and the country.
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At what point does one leave the big tent?Artist said:
Her past rebellion rate is actually similar to Corbyns. Her views on a range of topics differ from the party she is meant to represent.Sean_F said:
That's the mentality of Momentum. She votes with Labour on almost everything, but she's still a "Tory".surbiton said:
She is not one of my MPs. She is, at best, a DUP MP. She is really a Tory. I am not sure she would have got the nomination if it was not imposed.Sean_F said:
She's one of your better MP's.surbiton said:
Why was a Tory allowed in the Labour Party in the first place ? Imagine taking a selfie with Gingrich.bobajobPB said:
Hoey is an odious figure.williamglenn said:
Much obliged. I think you underestimate the anger against her in the constituency. Nigel Farage with a red rosette in London is not an attractive proposition.rcs1000 said:
Yes, of course.williamglenn said:
Can I have a tenner too if you're that confident?rcs1000 said:
You are also a wild optimist. I'll take your £10 too.IanB2 said:
You can put me down for £10 if you are opening a book?rcs1000 said:
You want £50 at 10-1 on the LibDem's winning Vauxhall?TheScreamingEagles said:
Can I have £50 on that?rcs1000 said:
Vauxhall was 80.7% Remain according to Hanretty. The LibDems start at 6.9%, 43% behind Ms Hoey.williamglenn said:
A target for the London Lib Dem Remain focused campaign to aim at.TheScreamingEagles said:Kate Hoey standing again in Vauxhall.
Mind you, if* they could pick up half the Remain vote, they'd be in with a chance.
I'll offer you 10-1 if you want.
* You can't see it, but that's a very big if.
Sure, I'll take your money.
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The story is that he couldn't win as an independent, and the Tories wouldn't have him back.SirNorfolkPassmore said:Personally, I doubt it's that. I suspect he'd win but, if he didn't, it will be a footnote on election night anyway.
Seems to me more likely that he's more worried about the prospect of winning than losing. It's easier to get a new job and start a new chapter at 45 than 50 or 55. It's not like there's much of a career for him in politics now that he's burned not one bridge but two, and to be fair to him, he's not the sort of bloke to do it just for the pay packet.
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I think the UK may take the view that if the EU chooses to move agencies currently in the UK, that's their choice and their bill. They're running the risk of a very acrimonious break up - least of all doing it in the middle of a General Election.kle4 said:
Who are they saying this stuff for? Everyone agrees we should full cover our costs, surely, we just argue over what costs are our responsibility, and public sentiment on either side means little so why air in public to put pressure on?CarlottaVance said:The European Commission wants Britain to pick up the tab for any costs related to its departure from the EU, such as the relocation of agencies now hosted by the U.K., and bear the currency risk by paying in euros, according to a draft of Brussels’ negotiating plan....
...But it is the Commission’s approach to the U.K.’s ongoing financial obligations to the EU that stands out in the document, suggesting that Brussels wants to make it very clear that leaving the bloc doesn’t come cheap.
“The United Kingdom should fully cover the specific costs related to the withdrawal process such as the relocation of the agencies or other Union bodies,” the Commission wrote, adding that the U.K.’s financial obligations to the EU “should be defined in euro” rather than sterling.
http://www.politico.eu/article/european-commission-wants-uk-to-pay-brexit-costs-in-euros/
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Straight out the Tory Scumbag`s Handbook of Dirty Tricks, Mr Kle, following on from the baying pack of Tory MPs in the House of Commons yesterday. Keep repeating it often enough, and people will come to believe it.kle4 said:Should say that my Tory voting, but considering going LD acquaintance was also uncertain because they'd read Tim Farron thinks homosexuality is sinful - seems like they still need to get ahead of that whole issue and clarify his position some more, or it might cost a few crucial votes.
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Dave Anderson (Blaydon) to retire. Born in 1953, first elected in 2005.
http://www.itv.com/news/tyne-tees/2017-04-20/blaydon-mp-to-stand-down-in-wake-of-snap-election/0 -
Is he not the (ex) Shadow Scottish secretary? How will Jezza fill that post in the next Parliament now?AndreaParma_82 said:Dave Anderson (Blaydon) to retire. Born in 1953, first elected in 2005.
http://www.itv.com/news/tyne-tees/2017-04-20/blaydon-mp-to-stand-down-in-wake-of-snap-election/0 -
Chortle.williamglenn said:
I doubt her high-profile advocacy of fox hunting was inspired by her constituency mailbag either.Artist said:
Her past rebellion rate is actually similar to Corbyns. Her views on a range of topics differ from the party she is meant to represent.Sean_F said:
That's the mentality of Momentum. She votes with Labour on almost everything, but she's still a "Tory".surbiton said:
She is not one of my MPs. She is, at best, a DUP MP. She is really a Tory. I am not sure she would have got the nomination if it was not imposed.Sean_F said:
She's one of your better MP's.surbiton said:
Why was a Tory allowed in the Labour Party in the first place ? Imagine taking a selfie with Gingrich.bobajobPB said:
Hoey is an odious figure.williamglenn said:
Much obliged. I think you underestimate the anger against her in the constituency. Nigel Farage with a red rosette in London is not an attractive proposition.rcs1000 said:
Yes, of course.williamglenn said:
Can I have a tenner too if you're that confident?rcs1000 said:
You are also a wild optimist. I'll take your £10 too.IanB2 said:
You can put me down for £10 if you are opening a book?rcs1000 said:
You want £50 at 10-1 on the LibDem's winning Vauxhall?TheScreamingEagles said:
Can I have £50 on that?rcs1000 said:
Vauxhall was 80.7% Remain according to Hanretty. The LibDems start at 6.9%, 43% behind Ms Hoey.williamglenn said:
A target for the London Lib Dem Remain focused campaign to aim at.TheScreamingEagles said:Kate Hoey standing again in Vauxhall.
Mind you, if* they could pick up half the Remain vote, they'd be in with a chance.
I'll offer you 10-1 if you want.
* You can't see it, but that's a very big if.
Sure, I'll take your money.
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And Tim's reply to the Tory hordes (and how hypocritical it was) was crystal clear. Even the guy who made the intervention looked humbled at the absolutely clear answer he got to his question.PClipp said:
Straight out the Tory Scumbag`s Handbook of Dirty Tricks, Mr Kle, following on from the baying pack of Tory MPs in the House of Commons yesterday. Keep repeating it often enough, and people will come to believe it.kle4 said:Should say that my Tory voting, but considering going LD acquaintance was also uncertain because they'd read Tim Farron thinks homosexuality is sinful - seems like they still need to get ahead of that whole issue and clarify his position some more, or it might cost a few crucial votes.
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Guardian:
"Jeremy Corbyn has had a very good morning.,.he sounded like an effective campaigner. He delivered a speech that was focused, coherent and passionate"
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The left have whole encyclopaedias of dirty tricks to stitch-up selections and elections and to ensure it's Buggin's turn.PClipp said:
Straight out the Tory Scumbag`s Handbook of Dirty Tricks, Mr Kle, following on from the baying pack of Tory MPs in the House of Commons yesterday. Keep repeating it often enough, and people will come to believe it.kle4 said:Should say that my Tory voting, but considering going LD acquaintance was also uncertain because they'd read Tim Farron thinks homosexuality is sinful - seems like they still need to get ahead of that whole issue and clarify his position some more, or it might cost a few crucial votes.
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Like referring to any Tory action as a dirty trick?PClipp said:
Straight out the Tory Scumbag`s Handbook of Dirty Tricks, Mr Kle, following on from the baying pack of Tory MPs in the House of Commons yesterday. Keep repeating it often enough, and people will come to believe it.kle4 said:Should say that my Tory voting, but considering going LD acquaintance was also uncertain because they'd read Tim Farron thinks homosexuality is sinful - seems like they still need to get ahead of that whole issue and clarify his position some more, or it might cost a few crucial votes.
I have absolutely no patience for party supporters complaining when they are the subject of political tactics, unless they cross over into unlawful - if people want to argue the Tories are the worst at using such tactics, that is fine, but if they argue the tactics themselves are Tory, as though others do not use the same tactics, I have no patience whatsoever.
Political behaviour, not partisan specific, I am afraid.
On Farron, seems to be he did not help himself by apparently being unclear, when given his later response seems like he could easily have avoided this - never expect your opponents to give you a fair ride, and avoid the easily avoidable!
In case you are wondering, I informed my acquaintance of Farron's later comments on the matter.0 -
Yeah, he's had a great morning...rottenborough said:Guardian:
"Jeremy Corbyn has had a very good morning.,.he sounded like an effective campaigner. He delivered a speech that was focused, coherent and passionate"
Panic, panic. Stop Tory complacency urgently.
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Exclusive: May looks to target seats with Labour majorities of over 8,000 votes
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So that's a vacancy for shadow SOS for Scotland.AndreaParma_82 said:Dave Anderson (Blaydon) to retire. Born in 1953, first elected in 2005.
http://www.itv.com/news/tyne-tees/2017-04-20/blaydon-mp-to-stand-down-in-wake-of-snap-election/0 -
I Feel For YoubobajobPB said:
Who is this Chukka of whom you speak?CarlottaVance said:
Which sadly isn't saying much these days......a party where Chukka is seen as a saviour.....yea gods!Sean_F said:
She's one of your better MP's.surbiton said:
Why was a Tory allowed in the Labour Party in the first place ? Imagine taking a selfie with Gingrich.bobajobPB said:
Hoey is an odious figure.williamglenn said:
Much obliged. I think you underestimate the anger against her in the constituency. Nigel Farage with a red rosette in London is not an attractive proposition.rcs1000 said:
Yes, of course.williamglenn said:
Can I have a tenner too if you're that confident?rcs1000 said:
You are also a wild optimist. I'll take your £10 too.IanB2 said:
You can put me down for £10 if you are opening a book?rcs1000 said:
You want £50 at 10-1 on the LibDem's winning Vauxhall?TheScreamingEagles said:
Can I have £50 on that?rcs1000 said:
Vauxhall was 80.7% Remain according to Hanretty. The LibDems start at 6.9%, 43% behind Ms Hoey.williamglenn said:
A target for the London Lib Dem Remain focused campaign to aim at.TheScreamingEagles said:Kate Hoey standing again in Vauxhall.
Mind you, if* they could pick up half the Remain vote, they'd be in with a chance.
I'll offer you 10-1 if you want.
* You can't see it, but that's a very big if.
Sure, I'll take your money.
https://twitter.com/katehoeymp/status/726782473330249728
Do you mean Chuka?0 -
Gerald Howarth (Aldershot) to retire. Born in 1947, MP since 1983, lost in 1992 and came back in 19970
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It has become apparent in recent weeks that the EU wants an acrimonious break up, for whatever reason. May is going pretty hard, and the EU is prioritising punishment above all else.CarlottaVance said:
I think the UK may take the view that if the EU chooses to move agencies currently in the UK, that's their choice and their bill. They're running the risk of a very acrimonious break up - least of all doing it in the middle of a General Election.kle4 said:
Who are they saying this stuff for? Everyone agrees we should full cover our costs, surely, we just argue over what costs are our responsibility, and public sentiment on either side means little so why air in public to put pressure on?CarlottaVance said:The European Commission wants Britain to pick up the tab for any costs related to its departure from the EU, such as the relocation of agencies now hosted by the U.K., and bear the currency risk by paying in euros, according to a draft of Brussels’ negotiating plan....
...But it is the Commission’s approach to the U.K.’s ongoing financial obligations to the EU that stands out in the document, suggesting that Brussels wants to make it very clear that leaving the bloc doesn’t come cheap.
“The United Kingdom should fully cover the specific costs related to the withdrawal process such as the relocation of the agencies or other Union bodies,” the Commission wrote, adding that the U.K.’s financial obligations to the EU “should be defined in euro” rather than sterling.
http://www.politico.eu/article/european-commission-wants-uk-to-pay-brexit-costs-in-euros/
Of course, there could be no downside to announcing this in the middle of an election campaign.......the danger is that leaving the EU, initially at least, could be very cheap....
Since were repeatedly told they know us but we don't know them, they will know taking hard lines will make us stick even harder to our lines, so it isn't about negotiating position which will soften either.0 -
Indeed and testament to the fact the Conservatives can't quite believe they can win this on their own without having to stick the knife into their opponents.PClipp said:
Straight out the Tory Scumbag`s Handbook of Dirty Tricks, Mr Kle, following on from the baying pack of Tory MPs in the House of Commons yesterday. Keep repeating it often enough, and people will come to believe it.kle4 said:Should say that my Tory voting, but considering going LD acquaintance was also uncertain because they'd read Tim Farron thinks homosexuality is sinful - seems like they still need to get ahead of that whole issue and clarify his position some more, or it might cost a few crucial votes.
Curious for a Party with a 20+point polling lead not to be accentuating a more positive message.
The message simply seems to be "Trust Theresa - she's better than Corbyn". Many will agree with the second part, I, for one, struggle with the first.
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Still not apologised for calling the Sutton Trust CCHQ?bobajobPB said:
Who is this Chukka of whom you speak?CarlottaVance said:
Which sadly isn't saying much these days......a party where Chukka is seen as a saviour.....yea gods!Sean_F said:
She's one of your better MP's.surbiton said:
Why was a Tory allowed in the Labour Party in the first place ? Imagine taking a selfie with Gingrich.bobajobPB said:
Hoey is an odious figure.williamglenn said:
Much obliged. I think you underestimate the anger against her in the constituency. Nigel Farage with a red rosette in London is not an attractive proposition.rcs1000 said:
Yes, of course.williamglenn said:
Can I have a tenner too if you're that confident?rcs1000 said:
You are also a wild optimist. I'll take your £10 too.IanB2 said:
You can put me down for £10 if you are opening a book?rcs1000 said:
You want £50 at 10-1 on the LibDem's winning Vauxhall?TheScreamingEagles said:
Can I have £50 on that?rcs1000 said:
Vauxhall was 80.7% Remain according to Hanretty. The LibDems start at 6.9%, 43% behind Ms Hoey.williamglenn said:
A target for the London Lib Dem Remain focused campaign to aim at.TheScreamingEagles said:Kate Hoey standing again in Vauxhall.
Mind you, if* they could pick up half the Remain vote, they'd be in with a chance.
I'll offer you 10-1 if you want.
* You can't see it, but that's a very big if.
Sure, I'll take your money.
https://twitter.com/katehoeymp/status/726782473330249728
Do you mean Chuka?0 -
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https://twitter.com/conhome/status/855053817800536064
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You are the one who came along with the moronic claims about 'leading the country down a dark path'. To my mind that is a thoroughly warped view of both Brexit and those who fought for it. If you want to start the healing process I would suggest you start with your own rather offensive views.tpfkar said:
Goodness me. I know I have been on this site much less recently but I always thought you were one of the most thoughtful and persuasive Leavers ahead of the referendum. Not someone who would resort to "warped view" and "anyone who has any sense" lightly.Richard_Tyndall said:
You only don't understand because of your warped view of Brexit. Anyone who has any sense appreciates what they have done and is grateful for it.tpfkar said:Cannot understand the praise being heaped on Douglas Carswell and Gisela Stuart today.
From where I'm standing, they've led the country down a dark path, and are running away before the consequences become known. If they really believe this is right for Britain they should stay and make it happen and take the credit / blame properly.
I'm sure they are both decent constituency MPs, and I've always admired Douglas Carswell's views on democracy (other than the EU) but this comes across as running scared from any accountability for what they've done.
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His position is far from crystal clear. Unfortunately he was asked the wrong question, allowing him the easy get-out of saying that he didn't think 'being gay' was sinful. Well, of course not. That isn't the issue. The issue is whether he thinks gay sex is sinful, as many of his fellow evangelical Christians do.IanB2 said:And Tim's reply to the Tory hordes (and how hypocritical it was) was crystal clear. Even the guy who made the intervention looked humbled at the absolutely clear answer he got to his question.
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Ah the reasoned logic of the lunatic. On a par with the rest of your dribblings these past few months.surbiton said:
Brilliant news. Teaches the c**t not to trust the Tories. Now he is maroooooooooooned.Richard_Tyndall said:Sad to see Douglas Carswell will not be standing again. Personally I think he has been one of the very best MPs in the last 20 years and has made a massive positive contribution to changing our country for the better by his campaigning over Brexit. A great loss to Parliament and the country.
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Fear will keep the local constituencies in line. We will then crushToryJim said:https://twitter.com/conhome/status/855053817800536064
PM really means to attempt the electoral destruction of the Labour Party.the RebellionLabour Party with one swift stroke!0 -
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How long before she starts accusing the journalists of #FakeNews ?Scott_P said:
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Yes, it's a remarkable talent!FF43 said:
I would vote for a president that can successfully somersault flip a mineral water bottleToryJim said:https://twitter.com/emmanuelmacron/status/855033309495046144
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I would agree but changing the system needs champions inside Parliament not outside. Writing books does not get you anywhere if no one on the indside wants to change the system.Richard_Nabavi said:
On the other hand, maybe his talents are best suited to developing new ideas and writing books like 'The Plan', rather than being an MP in a parliamentary system based on party whips (I know you don't like this system, but it is how it is).Richard_Tyndall said:Sad to see Douglas Carswell will not be standing again. Personally I think he has been one of the very best MPs in the last 20 years and has made a massive positive contribution to changing our country for the better by his campaigning over Brexit. A great loss to Parliament and the country.
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Well, I doubt the Conservatives will overturn Stephen Timms' majority of 35,000 or so.ToryJim said:https://twitter.com/conhome/status/855053817800536064
PM really means to attempt the electoral destruction of the Labour Party.
More seriously, the Conservatives were down to 165 seats in 1997 and it took them eighteen years to effectively double it.
Labour have not been sub-200 since 1945. Even if they fall to 165 or lower, that doesn't mean electoral destruction by any stretch. It will mean the Conservatives having to defend a lot of seats in 2022.
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so... the net result of this snap election is the thinning of deadwood in all parties (except the LD's who are too small to worry about deadwood.)0
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Corbyn Jnr, MP! What a brilliant solution to the vexed question of the leadership succession.Scott_P said:twitter.com/kateemccann/status/855055346842443780
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You share the same desire for ideological purity and paraonia about "Tories" within Labour ranks.surbiton said:
I don't think she votes with Labour on everything. Anyway why are you confusing me with Momentum ?Sean_F said:
That's the mentality of Momentum. She votes with Labour on almost everything, but she's still a "Tory".surbiton said:
She is not one of my MPs. She is, at best, a DUP MP. She is really a Tory. I am not sure she would have got the nomination if it was not imposed.Sean_F said:
She's one of your better MP's.surbiton said:
Why was a Tory allowed in the Labour Party in the first place ? Imagine taking a selfie with Gingrich.bobajobPB said:
Hoey is an odious figure.williamglenn said:
Much obliged. I think you underestimate the anger against her in the constituency. Nigel Farage with a red rosette in London is not an attractive proposition.rcs1000 said:
Yes, of course.williamglenn said:
Can I have a tenner too if you're that confident?rcs1000 said:
You are also a wild optimist. I'll take your £10 too.IanB2 said:
You can put me down for £10 if you are opening a book?rcs1000 said:
You want £50 at 10-1 on the LibDem's winning Vauxhall?TheScreamingEagles said:
Can I have £50 on that?rcs1000 said:
Vauxhall was 80.7% Remain according to Hanretty. The LibDems start at 6.9%, 43% behind Ms Hoey.williamglenn said:
A target for the London Lib Dem Remain focused campaign to aim at.TheScreamingEagles said:Kate Hoey standing again in Vauxhall.
Mind you, if* they could pick up half the Remain vote, they'd be in with a chance.
I'll offer you 10-1 if you want.
* You can't see it, but that's a very big if.
Sure, I'll take your money.
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at a time like this you have a thread header about the FRENCH elections?????!!!!!!
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A liberal is allowed to think gay sex is sinful. The question is whether he imposes his view on other people.Richard_Nabavi said:
His position is far from crystal clear. Unfortunately he was asked the wrong question, allowing him the easy get-out of saying that he didn't think 'being gay' was sinful. Well, of course not. That isn't the issue. The issue is whether he thinks gay sex is sinful, as many of his fellow evangelical Christians do.IanB2 said:And Tim's reply to the Tory hordes (and how hypocritical it was) was crystal clear. Even the guy who made the intervention looked humbled at the absolutely clear answer he got to his question.
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ydoethur said:
You could call it 'the politician's promise'!malcolmg said:
Best to make it a cheap one as they are forever breaking themJackW said:
Indeed. But they occur despite all good intentions. A basic phone is a useful insurance.TGOHF said:
Imagine putting a 7yo in a horrible situation...JackW said:
Imagine a horrible situation that might have been avoided or mitigated had the seven year old had a basic phone.TheScreamingEagles said:
I kinda agree, but my mother keeps on mentioning it, she's the sort, if she could, would have kept me wrapped up in cotton wool until I was 25.Chameleon said:
For me, yes. I'd leave it until 10.TheScreamingEagles said:O/T -I need some advice.
What's the right age to give a child his first mobile phone?
It won't be an iPhone/smartphone, just a basic phone with a sim only deal so he can call his Dad or his grandparents in emergencies.
Is 7 years old too soon?
No brainer IMO.
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he has, in the HoC. Done, over. You should now reinforce by pointing him at the contrast between Farron's liberal voting record and Mrs May's illiberal one.kle4 said:Should say that my Tory voting, but considering going LD acquaintance was also uncertain because they'd read Tim Farron thinks homosexuality is sinful - seems like they still need to get ahead of that whole issue and clarify his position some more, or it might cost a few crucial votes.
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Oh, absolutely.FF43 said:A liberal is allowed to think gay sex is sinful. The question is whether he imposes his view on other people.
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Indeed there has been!! Paying attention on this site has led me to a win in all circumstances on FR (except Asselineau).MrsB said:at a time like this you have a thread header about the FRENCH elections?????!!!!!!
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I'm also sad, although I don't agree with him being "one of the very best MPs in the last 20 years".Richard_Tyndall said:Sad to see Douglas Carswell will not be standing again. Personally I think he has been one of the very best MPs in the last 20 years and has made a massive positive contribution to changing our country for the better by his campaigning over Brexit. A great loss to Parliament and the country.
I'm sad because he seemed a genuinely likeable bloke who could put his position politely and rationally, even if you disagreed with him. I'd also like to see more independents in parliament.0 -
I've already asked Shadsy to price it upRichard_Nabavi said:
Corbyn Jnr, MP! What a brilliant solution to the vexed question of the leadership succession.Scott_P said:twitter.com/kateemccann/status/855055346842443780
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But wait...
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Round 1 of the French elections is Sunday, and the ALDE candidate looks in good shape !MrsB said:at a time like this you have a thread header about the FRENCH elections?????!!!!!!
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Don't Christians believe everyone is a sinner or is that just Catholics?FF43 said:
A liberal is allowed to think gay sex is sinful. The question is whether he imposes his view on other people.Richard_Nabavi said:
His position is far from crystal clear. Unfortunately he was asked the wrong question, allowing him the easy get-out of saying that he didn't think 'being gay' was sinful. Well, of course not. That isn't the issue. The issue is whether he thinks gay sex is sinful, as many of his fellow evangelical Christians do.IanB2 said:And Tim's reply to the Tory hordes (and how hypocritical it was) was crystal clear. Even the guy who made the intervention looked humbled at the absolutely clear answer he got to his question.
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