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Tuesday’s shock announcement by Mrs May that there is to be an early UK General Election has rather overshadowed events in France where the country’s presidential election takes place on Sunday.
I see a new poll in France from Harris (changes from last week): Macron 25% (+1) Le Pen 22% (NC) Fillon 19% (-1) Melenchon 19% (NC). Another good poll for Macron, but 3% is hardly safe if you assume that he is particularly vulnerable to a polling error.
I see a new poll in France from Harris (changes from last week): Macron 25% (+1) Le Pen 22% (NC) Fillon 19% (-1) Melenchon 19% (NC). Another good poll for Macron, but 3% is hardly safe if you assume that he is particularly vulnerable to a polling error.
Shame. I'd like to see if he could make it as an Indy. Though I thought if he returned to Con the price would be he wouldn't be allowed to stand in Clayton, he'd have to wait for another one.
Off-topic, but surely too good to miss: PP and Betfair Sports go 1.44 on Con to HOLD (yes, you read that correctly) Derby North - with a 14.6% UKIP vote to squeeze to boot..
I see a new poll in France from Harris (changes from last week): Macron 25% (+1) Le Pen 22% (NC) Fillon 19% (-1) Melenchon 19% (NC). Another good poll for Macron, but 3% is hardly safe if you assume that he is particularly vulnerable to a polling error.
Effectively his margin is 6pts with three days to go. That's a decent advantage. It's the third placed runner he has to keep ahead of, not the person in second place.
Off-topic, but surely too good to miss: PP and Betfair Sports go 1.44 on Con to HOLD (yes, you read that correctly) Derby North - with a 14.6% UKIP vote to squeeze to boot..
Thanks Richard. A pony on it at Betfair sportsbook for me!
Nick, having lived in Switzerland, there is much to admire (and a bit to find creepy) about the civic-mindedness of the Swiss and how they govern themselves. But that system is based upon totally different realities than Britain - different size, different community structures, different culture and a different political history. I don't see any feasible path from what we have in Britain to that sort of structure.
Even if we did, given the number of decisions and pieces of legislation the government has to make, it is unrealistic to consult the public on all of them. How do you decide which are referendum-worthy and which are not? At the moment, our practice seems to reserve referenda for clearly constitutional issues. I rather like that threshold
Without wanting to have a dig at Nick, I think it's the respective roles of politicians in the two countries that makes the Swiss system appeal. I agree with you that it's just not realistic in a country like the UK.
There are only 40 seats where the LibDems are less than 20% behind the winners.
Looking only at Labour seats, there are a couple with very large Remain votes: Cambridge, Bermondsey & Old Southwark, Cardiff Central, Bristol West and Hornsey & Wood Green. Of those, if the LDs were to pick up three or four, that would be a pretty good performance.
Looking at Conservative seats, there are sizeable (i.e. above 55% Remain votes) in Twickenham, Kingston & Surbiton, Cheadle, Cheltenham, Oxford West & Abingdon and Bath... and... errr... that's about it*. The LibDems appear to be stronger in Leave voting Tory seats than Remain ones. That makes pickups from the Conservatives very tough.
So, let's assume that the LibDems win all the Labour Seats where there are big Remain votes and they're less than 20% behind. That's five pickups.
Let's assume every possible Conservative seats. That's another seven (including Lewes).
Let's also give them all four of the vaguely possible SNP seats.
And let's add another two seats which the LibDems remarkably pull out of the hat.
I think any normal person would agree that these are pretty bullish forecasts for the LibDems. And - assuming they keep all their current seats - that puts them on... (drumroll)...
28 seats.
And that's in a "best of all possible worlds" scenario**.
Much more likely they manage three of the five labour seats, two of the Conservative ones, and two SNP ones. We'll give them one for good luck, and assume they hold Richmond and their other seats.
That gets you to 18. And I'm still probably a bit bullish. My range on their seats would be 14 to 18.
* Lewes almost makes the cut, so that's a possible for them too. ** Assuming no total Labour meltdown.
I see a new poll in France from Harris (changes from last week): Macron 25% (+1) Le Pen 22% (NC) Fillon 19% (-1) Melenchon 19% (NC). Another good poll for Macron, but 3% is hardly safe if you assume that he is particularly vulnerable to a polling error.
His margin's not 3%, though. It's 6%. You care about the gap to third place, not to second.
He seems incapable of letting things go - he was still bitching about VoteLeave getting the official campaign position, and standing against Carswell when neither was in UKIP anymore - so something stupid probably.
There are only 40 seats where the LibDems are less than 20% behind the winners.
Looking only at Labour seats, there are a couple with very large Remain votes: Cambridge, Bermondsey & Old Southwark, Cardiff Central, Bristol West and Hornsey & Wood Green. Of those, if the LDs were to pick up three or four, that would be a pretty good performance.
Looking at Conservative seats, there are sizeable (i.e. above 55% Remain votes) in Twickenham, Kingston & Surbiton, Cheadle, Cheltenham, Oxford West & Abingdon and Bath... and... errr... that's about it*. The LibDems appear to be stronger in Leave voting Tory seats than Remain ones. That makes pickups from the Conservatives very tough.
So, let's assume that the LibDems win all the Labour Seats where there are big Remain votes and they're less than 20% behind. That's five pickups.
Let's assume every possible Conservative seats. That's another seven (including Lewes).
Let's also give them all four of the vaguely possible SNP seats.
And let's add another two seats which the LibDems remarkably pull out of the hat.
I think any normal person would agree that these are pretty bullish forecasts for the LibDems. And - assuming they keep all their current seats - that puts them on... (drumroll)...
28 seats.
And that's in a "best of all possible worlds" scenario**.
Much more likely they manage three of the five labour seats, two of the Conservative ones, and two SNP ones. We'll give them one for good luck, and assume they hold Richmond and their other seats.
That gets you to 18. And I'm still probably a bit bullish. My range on their seats would be 14 to 18.
* Lewes almost makes the cut, so that's a possible for them too. ** Assuming no total Labour meltdown.
I asked for £400 on the 10-19 seat band this morning in a PP shop (@10-1) but was only allowed 50 :sad-face:
There are only 40 seats where the LibDems are less than 20% behind the winners.
Looking only at Labour seats, there are a couple with very large Remain votes: Cambridge, Bermondsey & Old Southwark, Cardiff Central, Bristol West and Hornsey & Wood Green. Of those, if the LDs were to pick up three or four, that would be a pretty good performance.
Looking at Conservative seats, there are sizeable (i.e. above 55% Remain votes) in Twickenham, Kingston & Surbiton, Cheadle, Cheltenham, Oxford West & Abingdon and Bath... and... errr... that's about it*. The LibDems appear to be stronger in Leave voting Tory seats than Remain ones. That makes pickups from the Conservatives very tough.
So, let's assume that the LibDems win all the Labour Seats where there are big Remain votes and they're less than 20% behind. That's five pickups.
Let's assume every possible Conservative seats. That's another seven (including Lewes).
Let's also give them all four of the vaguely possible SNP seats.
And let's add another two seats which the LibDems remarkably pull out of the hat.
I think any normal person would agree that these are pretty bullish forecasts for the LibDems. And - assuming they keep all their current seats - that puts them on... (drumroll)...
28 seats.
And that's in a "best of all possible worlds" scenario**.
Much more likely they manage three of the five labour seats, two of the Conservative ones, and two SNP ones. We'll give them one for good luck, and assume they hold Richmond and their other seats.
That gets you to 18. And I'm still probably a bit bullish. My range on their seats would be 14 to 18.
* Lewes almost makes the cut, so that's a possible for them too. ** Assuming no total Labour meltdown.
It was a NUNS last time and is going to be a NUNS this time.
I see a new poll in France from Harris (changes from last week): Macron 25% (+1) Le Pen 22% (NC) Fillon 19% (-1) Melenchon 19% (NC). Another good poll for Macron, but 3% is hardly safe if you assume that he is particularly vulnerable to a polling error.
His margin's not 3%, though. It's 6%. You care about the gap to third place, not to second.
Yes, a slip from me as pointed out three times!
My point is the same though. If Macron actually has a 6% lead, he's almost home and dry. We are talking about another sort of risk, which is the risk that he doesn't have a 6% lead.
When do the Trumpian chants of "Lock Em Up" start?
Upon reading the headlines about his speech, my immediate thought was "Corbyn is trying to do a Trump". And then I laughed.
Trump, for all his faults, knows how to communicate effectively, even if we educational and political elite scoff at his almost childish verbal formulations. He understands that action is spurred by emotions, not cognition, and that 'facts' just do not get the job done. Speak to either people's fears or their aspirations, or as Trump did, both.
Jezza doesn't know how to communicate, period. He has no dream to inspire a majority of the electorate. And the fear he inspires is of himself, not the Tories.
@DAaronovitch: Demolished the house. Job done. Smashed all the plates. Job done. Slept with spouse's sibling. Job done. The world according to Douglas.
@carlgardner: Infuriating that politicians who set Britain on course for disaster now just slip away, avoiding all the blame and anger they'll deserve.
Opinion piece not a headline I suppose, unlike 'Crush the Saboteurs', but while I find Corbynista and right wing headbanger whinges on MSM to be pathetic stuff, I confess when the papers go this extreme it is so wearying.
All these people being told if they have doubts, why not go join the Tories already, what if they do? Although perhaps they have already.
That article is a satirical piece. It's not particularly funny but it's not a serious piece.
Oh good - but we've all seens ones jus like it which are real.
There are only 40 seats where the LibDems are less than 20% behind the winners.
Looking only at Labour seats, there are a couple with very large Remain votes: Cambridge, Bermondsey & Old Southwark, Cardiff Central, Bristol West and Hornsey & Wood Green. Of those, if the LDs were to pick up three or four, that would be a pretty good performance.
Looking at Conservative seats, there are sizeable (i.e. above 55% Remain votes) in Twickenham, Kingston & Surbiton, Cheadle, Cheltenham, Oxford West & Abingdon and Bath... and... errr... that's about it*. The LibDems appear to be stronger in Leave voting Tory seats than Remain ones. That makes pickups from the Conservatives very tough.
So, let's assume that the LibDems win all the Labour Seats where there are big Remain votes and they're less than 20% behind. That's five pickups.
Let's assume every possible Conservative seats. That's another seven (including Lewes).
Let's also give them all four of the vaguely possible SNP seats.
And let's add another two seats which the LibDems remarkably pull out of the hat.
I think any normal person would agree that these are pretty bullish forecasts for the LibDems. And - assuming they keep all their current seats - that puts them on... (drumroll)...
28 seats.
And that's in a "best of all possible worlds" scenario**.
Much more likely they manage three of the five labour seats, two of the Conservative ones, and two SNP ones. We'll give them one for good luck, and assume they hold Richmond and their other seats.
That gets you to 18. And I'm still probably a bit bullish. My range on their seats would be 14 to 18.
* Lewes almost makes the cut, so that's a possible for them too. ** Assuming no total Labour meltdown.
Shadsys 10-20 LD seats at 11/4 is great value. I agree with your logic. Bosworth is possible too, the LDs held up well here in 2015 and Tredinnick is the Tory MP and widely disliked. Still uphill though.
When do the Trumpian chants of "Lock Em Up" start?
Upon reading the headlines about his speech, my immediate thought was "Corbyn is trying to do a Trump". And then I laughed.
Trump, for all his faults, knows how to communicate effectively, even if we educational and political elite scoff at his almost childish verbal formulations. He understands that action is spurred by emotions, not cognition, and that 'facts' just do not get the job done. Speak to either people's fears or their aspirations, or as Trump did, both.
Jezza doesn't know how to communicate, period. He has no dream to inspire a majority of the electorate. And the fear he inspires is of himself, not the Tories.
A fair summation. I like Corbyn's general tone much of the time, I think he's an effective speaker in some regards, on the right subjects, but trying to mirror the trump way won't work. Trump sounds stupid, hell he may even be stupid, but he is fascinating and resonanting in a way that is very very hard to pull off.
There are only 40 seats where the LibDems are less than 20% behind the winners.
Looking only at Labour seats, there are a couple with very large Remain votes: Cambridge, Bermondsey & Old Southwark, Cardiff Central, Bristol West and Hornsey & Wood Green. Of those, if the LDs were to pick up three or four, that would be a pretty good performance.
Looking at Conservative seats, there are sizeable (i.e. above 55% Remain votes) in Twickenham, Kingston & Surbiton, Cheadle, Cheltenham, Oxford West & Abingdon and Bath... and... errr... that's about it*. The LibDems appear to be stronger in Leave voting Tory seats than Remain ones. That makes pickups from the Conservatives very tough.
So, let's assume that the LibDems win all the Labour Seats where there are big Remain votes and they're less than 20% behind. That's five pickups.
Let's assume every possible Conservative seats. That's another seven (including Lewes).
Let's also give them all four of the vaguely possible SNP seats.
And let's add another two seats which the LibDems remarkably pull out of the hat.
I think any normal person would agree that these are pretty bullish forecasts for the LibDems. And - assuming they keep all their current seats - that puts them on... (drumroll)...
28 seats.
And that's in a "best of all possible worlds" scenario**.
Much more likely they manage three of the five labour seats, two of the Conservative ones, and two SNP ones. We'll give them one for good luck, and assume they hold Richmond and their other seats.
That gets you to 18. And I'm still probably a bit bullish. My range on their seats would be 14 to 18.
* Lewes almost makes the cut, so that's a possible for them too. ** Assuming no total Labour meltdown.
I asked for £400 on the 10-19 seat band this morning in a PP shop (@10-1) but was only allowed 50 :sad-face:
I'll offer you 1-10 if you want to top up your bet.
Those Lob Dem numbers....'mile wide and inch deep' springs to mind......chortle....
So reading the polls, I would strip out any shy/difficult to reach Tory correction, but then multiply* the Con/Lab/LD/UKIP scores by 0.95, 0.8, 0.64 and 0.75 respectively, and then renormalize to 100% to get my 'likely voter' score.
There are only 40 seats where the LibDems are less than 20% behind the winners.
Looking only at Labour seats, there are a couple with very large Remain votes: Cambridge, Bermondsey & Old Southwark, Cardiff Central, Bristol West and Hornsey & Wood Green. Of those, if the LDs were to pick up three or four, that would be a pretty good performance.
Looking at Conservative seats, there are sizeable (i.e. above 55% Remain votes) in Twickenham, Kingston & Surbiton, Cheadle, Cheltenham, Oxford West & Abingdon and Bath... and... errr... that's about it*. The LibDems appear to be stronger in Leave voting Tory seats than Remain ones. That makes pickups from the Conservatives very tough.
So, let's assume that the LibDems win all the Labour Seats where there are big Remain votes and they're less than 20% behind. That's five pickups.
Let's assume every possible Conservative seats. That's another seven (including Lewes).
Let's also give them all four of the vaguely possible SNP seats.
And let's add another two seats which the LibDems remarkably pull out of the hat.
I think any normal person would agree that these are pretty bullish forecasts for the LibDems. And - assuming they keep all their current seats - that puts them on... (drumroll)...
28 seats.
And that's in a "best of all possible worlds" scenario**.
Much more likely they manage three of the five labour seats, two of the Conservative ones, and two SNP ones. We'll give them one for good luck, and assume they hold Richmond and their other seats.
That gets you to 18. And I'm still probably a bit bullish. My range on their seats would be 14 to 18.
* Lewes almost makes the cut, so that's a possible for them too. ** Assuming no total Labour meltdown.
RCS called it right on the LDs, or closer to right than most, in 2015, and it all seems plausible. They are so far behind in most places, you need Richmond swings.
If they get 20 seats and a slew of second place recoveries, they'll be thrilled I think.
@DMcCaffreySKY: Carswell claimed yesterday to me/ @DPJHodges could win as independent but seemed to be seeking Tory nomination. Now seems couldn't do either
@DPJHodges: Agree with @DMcCaffreySKY. Douglas Carswell had clearly been exploring possibility of running as Tory. Seems to have been rebuffed.
Those Lob Dem numbers....'mile wide and inch deep' springs to mind......chortle....
LibDem always have the lowest certainty to vote, though. Was true in 2001 and 2005 too when they outperformed expectations.
I'm not certain but I thought 2005 was actually a let down for LDs and they underperformed expectations? They obviously did well in absolute terms, but IIRC they were expecting more seats than they got?
Shadsys 10-20 LD seats at 11/4 is great value. I agree with your logic. Bosworth is possible too, the LDs held up well here in 2015 and Tredinnick is the Tory MP and widely disliked. Still uphill though.
Lots of strong second places to build on too.
Treddinick is an embarassment to parliament, the Conservative Party and the country.
There are only 40 seats where the LibDems are less than 20% behind the winners.
Looking only at Labour seats, there are a couple with very large Remain votes: Cambridge, Bermondsey & Old Southwark, Cardiff Central, Bristol West and Hornsey & Wood Green. Of those, if the LDs were to pick up three or four, that would be a pretty good performance.
Looking at Conservative seats, there are sizeable (i.e. above 55% Remain votes) in Twickenham, Kingston & Surbiton, Cheadle, Cheltenham, Oxford West & Abingdon and Bath... and... errr... that's about it*. The LibDems appear to be stronger in Leave voting Tory seats than Remain ones. That makes pickups from the Conservatives very tough.
So, let's assume that the LibDems win all the Labour Seats where there are big Remain votes and they're less than 20% behind. That's five pickups.
Let's assume every possible Conservative seats. That's another seven (including Lewes).
Let's also give them all four of the vaguely possible SNP seats.
And let's add another two seats which the LibDems remarkably pull out of the hat.
I think any normal person would agree that these are pretty bullish forecasts for the LibDems. And - assuming they keep all their current seats - that puts them on... (drumroll)...
28 seats.
And that's in a "best of all possible worlds" scenario**.
Much more likely they manage three of the five labour seats, two of the Conservative ones, and two SNP ones. We'll give them one for good luck, and assume they hold Richmond and their other seats.
That gets you to 18. And I'm still probably a bit bullish. My range on their seats would be 14 to 18.
* Lewes almost makes the cut, so that's a possible for them too. ** Assuming no total Labour meltdown.
Shadsys 10-20 LD seats at 11/4 is great value. I agree with your logic. Bosworth is possible too, the LDs held up well here in 2015 and Tredinnick is the Tory MP and widely disliked. Still uphill though.
There are only 40 seats where the LibDems are less than 20% behind the winners.
Looking only at Labour seats, there are a couple with very large Remain votes: Cambridge, Bermondsey & Old Southwark, Cardiff Central, Bristol West and Hornsey & Wood Green. Of those, if the LDs were to pick up three or four, that would be a pretty good performance.
Looking at Conservative seats, there are sizeable (i.e. above 55% Remain votes) in Twickenham, Kingston & Surbiton, Cheadle, Cheltenham, Oxford West & Abingdon and Bath... and... errr... that's about it*. The LibDems appear to be stronger in Leave voting Tory seats than Remain ones. That makes pickups from the Conservatives very tough.
So, let's assume that the LibDems win all the Labour Seats where there are big Remain votes and they're less than 20% behind. That's five pickups.
Let's assume every possible Conservative seats. That's another seven (including Lewes).
Let's also give them all four of the vaguely possible SNP seats.
And let's add another two seats which the LibDems remarkably pull out of the hat.
I think any normal person would agree that these are pretty bullish forecasts for the LibDems. And - assuming they keep all their current seats - that puts them on... (drumroll)...
28 seats.
And that's in a "best of all possible worlds" scenario**.
Much more likely they manage three of the five labour seats, two of the Conservative ones, and two SNP ones. We'll give them one for good luck, and assume they hold Richmond and their other seats.
That gets you to 18. And I'm still probably a bit bullish. My range on their seats would be 14 to 18.
* Lewes almost makes the cut, so that's a possible for them too. ** Assuming no total Labour meltdown.
RCS called it right on the LDs, or closer to right than most, in 2015, and it all seems plausible. They are so far behind in most places, you need Richmond swings.
If they get 20 seats and a slew of second place recoveries, they'll be thrilled I think.
Those Lob Dem numbers....'mile wide and inch deep' springs to mind......chortle....
LibDem always have the lowest certainty to vote, though. Was true in 2001 and 2005 too when they outperformed expectations.
I'm not certain but I thought 2005 was actually a let down for LDs and they underperformed expectations? They obviously did well in absolute terms, but IIRC they were expecting more seats than they got?
I think you're thinking of 2010 when there was the Clegg-gasm, but they actually lost seats.
Those Lob Dem numbers....'mile wide and inch deep' springs to mind......chortle....
So reading the polls, I would strip out any shy/difficult to reach Tory correction, but then multiply* the Con/Lab/LD/UKIP scores by 0.95, 0.8, 0.64 and 0.75 respectively, and then renormalize to 100% to get my 'likely voter' score.
* Unless the pollster has already done this
That 18% 'probably' group is interesting for the Con vote. What would be their alternative option? With Lab/Lib you can imagine people hesitating between the two, but is that 18% soft remainer tories or are they diamond hard brexiteers?
There are only 40 seats where the LibDems are less than 20% behind the winners.
Looking only at Labour seats, there are a couple with very large Remain votes: Cambridge, Bermondsey & Old Southwark, Cardiff Central, Bristol West and Hornsey & Wood Green. Of those, if the LDs were to pick up three or four, that would be a pretty good performance.
Looking at Conservative seats, there are sizeable (i.e. above 55% Remain votes) in Twickenham, Kingston & Surbiton, Cheadle, Cheltenham, Oxford West & Abingdon and Bath... and... errr... that's about it*. The LibDems appear to be stronger in Leave voting Tory seats than Remain ones. That makes pickups from the Conservatives very tough.
So, let's assume that the LibDems win all the Labour Seats where there are big Remain votes and they're less than 20% behind. That's five pickups.
Let's assume every possible Conservative seats. That's another seven (including Lewes).
Let's also give them all four of the vaguely possible SNP seats.
And let's add another two seats which the LibDems remarkably pull out of the hat.
I think any normal person would agree that these are pretty bullish forecasts for the LibDems. And - assuming they keep all their current seats - that puts them on... (drumroll)...
28 seats.
And that's in a "best of all possible worlds" scenario**.
Much more likely they manage three of the five labour seats, two of the Conservative ones, and two SNP ones. We'll give them one for good luck, and assume they hold Richmond and their other seats.
That gets you to 18. And I'm still probably a bit bullish. My range on their seats would be 14 to 18.
* Lewes almost makes the cut, so that's a possible for them too. ** Assuming no total Labour meltdown.
RCS called it right on the LDs, or closer to right than most, in 2015, and it all seems plausible. They are so far behind in most places, you need Richmond swings.
If they get 20 seats and a slew of second place recoveries, they'll be thrilled I think.
I got Cambridge wrong last time. :-(
That was a close one though, wasn't it? Certainly you were at least in the same ballpark!
There are only 40 seats where the LibDems are less than 20% behind the winners.
Looking only at Labour seats, there are a couple with very large Remain votes: Cambridge, Bermondsey & Old Southwark, Cardiff Central, Bristol West and Hornsey & Wood Green. Of those, if the LDs were to pick up three or four, that would be a pretty good performance.
Looking at Conservative seats, there are sizeable (i.e. above 55% Remain votes) in Twickenham, Kingston & Surbiton, Cheadle, Cheltenham, Oxford West & Abingdon and Bath... and... errr... that's about it*. The LibDems appear to be stronger in Leave voting Tory seats than Remain ones. That makes pickups from the Conservatives very tough.
So, let's assume that the LibDems win all the Labour Seats where there are big Remain votes and they're less than 20% behind. That's five pickups.
Let's assume every possible Conservative seats. That's another seven (including Lewes).
Let's also give them all four of the vaguely possible SNP seats.
And let's add another two seats which the LibDems remarkably pull out of the hat.
I think any normal person would agree that these are pretty bullish forecasts for the LibDems. And - assuming they keep all their current seats - that puts them on... (drumroll)...
28 seats.
And that's in a "best of all possible worlds" scenario**.
Much more likely they manage three of the five labour seats, two of the Conservative ones, and two SNP ones. We'll give them one for good luck, and assume they hold Richmond and their other seats.
That gets you to 18. And I'm still probably a bit bullish. My range on their seats would be 14 to 18.
* Lewes almost makes the cut, so that's a possible for them too. ** Assuming no total Labour meltdown.
RCS called it right on the LDs, or closer to right than most, in 2015, and it all seems plausible. They are so far behind in most places, you need Richmond swings.
If they get 20 seats and a slew of second place recoveries, they'll be thrilled I think.
I got Cambridge wrong last time. :-(
That was a close one though, wasn't it? Certainly you were at least in the same ballpark!
I have a friend who's a Labour councillor in Cambridge, and she was convinced they'd lost. I shall not be listening to her again.
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Big fat reds against Fillon and Le Pen, green elsewhere.
So it's Fillon and Le Pen in the final two then. Nailed on
I see a new poll in France from Harris (changes from last week):
Macron 25% (+1) Le Pen 22% (NC) Fillon 19% (-1) Melenchon 19% (NC). Another good poll for Macron, but 3% is hardly safe if you assume that he is particularly vulnerable to a polling error.
When do the Trumpian chants of "Lock Em Up" start?
Macron looking pretty firm still.
Macron will, I think, win the first round, and then the second.
Traitors must be punished for their treachery
I'm liking Mrs May a lot now.
Nick, having lived in Switzerland, there is much to admire (and a bit to find creepy) about the civic-mindedness of the Swiss and how they govern themselves. But that system is based upon totally different realities than Britain - different size, different community structures, different culture and a different political history. I don't see any feasible path from what we have in Britain to that sort of structure.
Even if we did, given the number of decisions and pieces of legislation the government has to make, it is unrealistic to consult the public on all of them. How do you decide which are referendum-worthy and which are not? At the moment, our practice seems to reserve referenda for clearly constitutional issues. I rather like that threshold
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/apr/19/hartlepool-ponders-a-change-after-half-a-century-voting-labour
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/apr/20/robots-racist-sexist-people-machines-ai-language
Is she going to stand for the mentalist party? She will fit right in.
Lon: +6
RoS: +43
MdW: +22
Nth: +13
Sc +14 (-20 vs SNP)
That 'North' number used to be low single digits - and for a long time was level pegging.....
Remember this:
There are only 40 seats where the LibDems are less than 20% behind the winners.
Looking only at Labour seats, there are a couple with very large Remain votes: Cambridge, Bermondsey & Old Southwark, Cardiff Central, Bristol West and Hornsey & Wood Green. Of those, if the LDs were to pick up three or four, that would be a pretty good performance.
Looking at Conservative seats, there are sizeable (i.e. above 55% Remain votes) in Twickenham, Kingston & Surbiton, Cheadle, Cheltenham, Oxford West & Abingdon and Bath... and... errr... that's about it*. The LibDems appear to be stronger in Leave voting Tory seats than Remain ones. That makes pickups from the Conservatives very tough.
So, let's assume that the LibDems win all the Labour Seats where there are big Remain votes and they're less than 20% behind. That's five pickups.
Let's assume every possible Conservative seats. That's another seven (including Lewes).
Let's also give them all four of the vaguely possible SNP seats.
And let's add another two seats which the LibDems remarkably pull out of the hat.
I think any normal person would agree that these are pretty bullish forecasts for the LibDems. And - assuming they keep all their current seats - that puts them on... (drumroll)...
28 seats.
And that's in a "best of all possible worlds" scenario**.
Much more likely they manage three of the five labour seats, two of the Conservative ones, and two SNP ones. We'll give them one for good luck, and assume they hold Richmond and their other seats.
That gets you to 18. And I'm still probably a bit bullish. My range on their seats would be 14 to 18.
* Lewes almost makes the cut, so that's a possible for them too.
** Assuming no total Labour meltdown.
Quelle surprise
My point is the same though. If Macron actually has a 6% lead, he's almost home and dry. We are talking about another sort of risk, which is the risk that he doesn't have a 6% lead.
Upon reading the headlines about his speech, my immediate thought was "Corbyn is trying to do a Trump". And then I laughed.
Trump, for all his faults, knows how to communicate effectively, even if we educational and political elite scoff at his almost childish verbal formulations. He understands that action is spurred by emotions, not cognition, and that 'facts' just do not get the job done. Speak to either people's fears or their aspirations, or as Trump did, both.
Jezza doesn't know how to communicate, period. He has no dream to inspire a majority of the electorate. And the fear he inspires is of himself, not the Tories.
@carlgardner: Infuriating that politicians who set Britain on course for disaster now just slip away, avoiding all the blame and anger they'll deserve.
Vote for party: Definitely / Probably / Possibly
Con: 74 / 18 / 7
Lab: 51 / 29 / 16
LibD; 31 / 33 / 33
UKIP: 46 / 31 / 15
Those Lob Dem numbers....'mile wide and inch deep' springs to mind......chortle....
* assuming that David Prescott gets the nod.
Lots of strong second places to build on too.
He hasn't lost yet.
* Unless the pollster has already done this
Macron 24%
Le Pen 23%
Fillon 19%
Melenchon 19%
http://www.bva-group.com/sondages/18eme-vague-dintentions-de-vote-4-jours-de-lelection-presidentielle/
If they get 20 seats and a slew of second place recoveries, they'll be thrilled I think.
@DPJHodges: Agree with @DMcCaffreySKY. Douglas Carswell had clearly been exploring possibility of running as Tory. Seems to have been rebuffed.
Mind you, if* they could pick up half the Remain vote, they'd be in with a chance.
I'll offer you 10-1 if you want.
* You can't see it, but that's a very big if.
Net Well : +5 (+6)
Sure, I'll take your money.
https://twitter.com/JournoStephen/status/855018543016030208
Hmm, Fillon is a pillock
Mike's major holiday begins 30th of June till the middle of July.
We all know what happens when I'm guest editor.