A target for the London Lib Dem Remain focused campaign to aim at.
Vauxhall was 80.7% Remain according to Hanretty. The LibDems start at 6.9%, 43% behind Ms Hoey.
Mind you, if* they could pick up half the Remain vote, they'd be in with a chance.
I'll offer you 10-1 if you want.
* You can't see it, but that's a very big if.
Can I have £50 on that?
You want £50 at 10-1 on the LibDem's winning Vauxhall?
Sure, I'll take your money.
You can put me down for £10 if you are opening a book?
You are also a wild optimist. I'll take your £10 too.
Can I have a tenner too if you're that confident?
Yes, of course.
Much obliged. I think you underestimate the anger against her in the constituency. Nigel Farage with a red rosette in London is not an attractive proposition.
Why was a Tory allowed in the Labour Party in the first place ? Imagine taking a selfie with Gingrich.
She's one of your better MP's.
Which sadly isn't saying much these days......a party where Chukka is seen as a saviour.....yea gods!
Who is this Chukka of whom you speak?
Do you mean Chuka?
Still not apologised for calling the Sutton Trust CCHQ?
I'm not going to apologise for something I didn't do. I said your posts just echo Tory HQ lines, which they do. As soon as the Tory line changes, so do your views. It's just boring.
[Kate Hoey's] past rebellion rate is actually similar to Corbyns. Her views on a range of topics differ from the party she is meant to represent.
I think all parties should have an eccentric non-conformist to add a bit of colour. Probably not wise to select that eccentric non-conformist as your party leader however.
PM really means to attempt the electoral destruction of the Labour Party.
Well, I doubt the Conservatives will overturn Stephen Timms' majority of 35,000 or so.
More seriously, the Conservatives were down to 165 seats in 1997 and it took them eighteen years to effectively double it.
Labour have not been sub-200 since 1945. Even if they fall to 165 or lower, that doesn't mean electoral destruction by any stretch. It will mean the Conservatives having to defend a lot of seats in 2022.
Of course the more seats you hold the more you have to defend. The trouble for opposition parties is that every time the pendulum swings away the more seats are beyond a standard swing. An election that gives May 400 seats would likely mean 300+ of them were all but impregnable.
The European Commission wants Britain to pick up the tab for any costs related to its departure from the EU, such as the relocation of agencies now hosted by the U.K., and bear the currency risk by paying in euros, according to a draft of Brussels’ negotiating plan....
...But it is the Commission’s approach to the U.K.’s ongoing financial obligations to the EU that stands out in the document, suggesting that Brussels wants to make it very clear that leaving the bloc doesn’t come cheap.
“The United Kingdom should fully cover the specific costs related to the withdrawal process such as the relocation of the agencies or other Union bodies,” the Commission wrote, adding that the U.K.’s financial obligations to the EU “should be defined in euro” rather than sterling.
Of course, there could be no downside to announcing this in the middle of an election campaign.......the danger is that leaving the EU, initially at least, could be very cheap....
Who are they saying this stuff for? Everyone agrees we should full cover our costs, surely, we just argue over what costs are our responsibility, and public sentiment on either side means little so why air in public to put pressure on?
Surely the response to a request for us to fund them relocating their agencies is "we're not asking them to leave".
Joe Anderson, the mayor of Liverpool, has announced plans to stand as Labour MP in the constituency currently held by Steve Rotheram - who is in the running to become metro mayor for the Liverpool City region, the Press Association reports.
Rotheram, MP for Liverpool Walton, is Labour’s candidate for the new post of Liverpool City region metro mayor, due to be elected next month, leaving his seat vacant if he is voted in.
Anderson announced on Thursday he intended to stand as the Labour candidate for Walton in the general election on June 8 if selected by the party’s national executive committee.
Rotheram beat Anderson and Wavertree MP Luciana Berger to be selected as the Labour candidate for the mayoral role.
I would have thought Theresa May voting against the repeal of Section 28 is potentially more toxic if this issue gains salience.
No, because this is a litmus-test issue for quite a lot of exactly the type of voter the LibDems are trying to attract. That is why it is potentially awkward for Tim Farron, and why he refuses to answer the question.
Should say that my Tory voting, but considering going LD acquaintance was also uncertain because they'd read Tim Farron thinks homosexuality is sinful - seems like they still need to get ahead of that whole issue and clarify his position some more, or it might cost a few crucial votes.
Straight out the Tory Scumbag`s Handbook of Dirty Tricks, Mr Kle, following on from the baying pack of Tory MPs in the House of Commons yesterday. Keep repeating it often enough, and people will come to believe it.
Like referring to any Tory action as a dirty trick?
I have absolutely no patience for party supporters complaining when they are the subject of political tactics, unless they cross over into unlawful - if people want to argue the Tories are the worst at using such tactics, that is fine, but if they argue the tactics themselves are Tory, as though others do not use the same tactics, I have no patience whatsoever.
Political behaviour, not partisan specific, I am afraid.
On Farron, seems to be he did not help himself by apparently being unclear, when given his later response seems like he could easily have avoided this - never expect your opponents to give you a fair ride, and avoid the easily avoidable!
In case you are wondering, I informed my acquaintance of Farron's later comments on the matter.
The fact that Farron managed to write a scripted response doesn't change the fact of what his instinctive response was - his evasion clearly showed that the answer was "yes, but I can't admit it".
And Tim's reply to the Tory hordes (and how hypocritical it was) was crystal clear. Even the guy who made the intervention looked humbled at the absolutely clear answer he got to his question.
His position is far from crystal clear. Unfortunately he was asked the wrong question, allowing him the easy get-out of saying that he didn't think 'being gay' was sinful. Well, of course not. That isn't the issue. The issue is whether he thinks gay sex is sinful, as many of his fellow evangelical Christians do.
A liberal is allowed to think gay sex is sinful. The question is whether he imposes his view on other people.
Don't Christians believe everyone is a sinner or is that just Catholics?
Yes and all sinners can be redeemed. Hate the sin; love the sinner. There is something about predestination in radical protestant sects however. Here I can plug one of my favourite novels, Confessions of a Justified Sinner by James Hogg
And Tim's reply to the Tory hordes (and how hypocritical it was) was crystal clear. Even the guy who made the intervention looked humbled at the absolutely clear answer he got to his question.
His position is far from crystal clear. Unfortunately he was asked the wrong question, allowing him the easy get-out of saying that he didn't think 'being gay' was sinful. Well, of course not. That isn't the issue. The issue is whether he thinks gay sex is sinful, as many of his fellow evangelical Christians do.
A liberal is allowed to think gay sex is sinful. The question is whether he imposes his view on other people.
Don't Christians believe everyone is a sinner or is that just Catholics?
I think it's Catholics - for Protestants its 'not working hard enough'.....
< Of course the more seats you hold the more you have to defend. The trouble for opposition parties is that every time the pendulum swings away the more seats are beyond a standard swing. An election that gives May 400 seats would likely mean 300+ of them were all but impregnable.
Not at all. The Conservatives lost seats in 1997 they had held for much of the post war period. Under the right circumstances, very few seats are impregnable.
In fact, I would argue the theoretical Conservative floor in terms of seats is probably lower than the theoretical Labour floor.
at a time like this you have a thread header about the FRENCH elections?????!!!!!!
Oh well, I suppose there's more money to be made betting on that than whether the Tories will win the GE here.
Round 1 of the French elections is Sunday, and the ALDE candidate looks in good shape !
Is the ALDE affiliation official? The EuropeElects feed always lists them without a grouping.
Not yet, but surely En Marche will join the group - they have no MEPs as of yet so no group. He might go for S7D I suppose but ALDE looks a natural fit.
A target for the London Lib Dem Remain focused campaign to aim at.
Vauxhall was 80.7% Remain according to Hanretty. The LibDems start at 6.9%, 43% behind Ms Hoey.
Mind you, if* they could pick up half the Remain vote, they'd be in with a chance.
I'll offer you 10-1 if you want.
* You can't see it, but that's a very big if.
Can I have £50 on that?
You want £50 at 10-1 on the LibDem's winning Vauxhall?
Sure, I'll take your money.
You can put me down for £10 if you are opening a book?
You are also a wild optimist. I'll take your £10 too.
Can I have a tenner too if you're that confident?
Yes, of course.
Much obliged. I think you underestimate the anger against her in the constituency. Nigel Farage with a red rosette in London is not an attractive proposition.
Why was a Tory allowed in the Labour Party in the first place ? Imagine taking a selfie with Gingrich.
She's one of your better MP's.
Which sadly isn't saying much these days......a party where Chukka is seen as a saviour.....yea gods!
Who is this Chukka of whom you speak?
Do you mean Chuka?
Still not apologised for calling the Sutton Trust CCHQ?
I'm not going to apologise for something I didn't do. I said your posts just echo Tory HQ lines, which they do. As soon as the Tory line changes, so do your views. It's just boring.
The story in the Independent was on a Sutton Trust report - not a 'CCHQ line'
All you ever do is attack other posters - that's really boring.
Why not go back to whining about child tax credits?
at a time like this you have a thread header about the FRENCH elections?????!!!!!!
Oh well, I suppose there's more money to be made betting on that than whether the Tories will win the GE here.
Round 1 of the French elections is Sunday, and the ALDE candidate looks in good shape !
Is the ALDE affiliation official? The EuropeElects feed always lists them without a grouping.
Not yet, but surely En Marche will join the group - they have no MEPs as of yet so no group. He might go for S7D I suppose but ALDE looks a natural fit.
Pulpster, you manged not to choke on your curry I see.
Should say that my Tory voting, but considering going LD acquaintance was also uncertain because they'd read Tim Farron thinks homosexuality is sinful - seems like they still need to get ahead of that whole issue and clarify his position some more, or it might cost a few crucial votes.
Straight out the Tory Scumbag`s Handbook of Dirty Tricks, Mr Kle, following on from the baying pack of Tory MPs in the House of Commons yesterday. Keep repeating it often enough, and people will come to believe it.
The Lib Dems would know all about dirty tricks.
Farron's views on homosexuality are absolutely relevant as the leader of a liberal party.
((Dan Hodges)))Verified account @DPJHodges 3m3 minutes ago More Real issue for many Labour MPs is whether Karie Murphy will be handed a seat.
Good god! There's a name from the past!
Oh, those halcyon days of 'nothing to see here' in Labour Scotland and 'everything's fine'.......
Will not be north of the border that is for sure, it is going to be Labour free zone.
They say the past is another country - it certainly is in Labour Scotland - where a scrap over a Labour candidate selection threatened the future of Grangemouth - a true 'parcel o'rogues'!
Surely the response to a request for us to fund them relocating their agencies is "we're not asking them to leave".
Which part of "leaving the EU" are you confused by?
It's possible to have offices in third party nations. Plenty of global organisations from outside the EU have offices in London so why can't the EU?
If they want to relocate that's their choice not oura.
The EU isn't a 'global organisation' any more than the UK is.
OK then, as examples to expose that nonsensical logic, so you would expect it to be fine for the UK student loan company to relocate to Luxembourg? Or if UNESCO moved its HQ to Taiwan? Or the Organisation of American States based itself in Australia? It's NONSENSE.
((Dan Hodges)))Verified account @DPJHodges 3m3 minutes ago More Real issue for many Labour MPs is whether Karie Murphy will be handed a seat.
Good god! There's a name from the past!
Oh, those halcyon days of 'nothing to see here' in Labour Scotland and 'everything's fine'.......
Will not be north of the border that is for sure, it is going to be Labour free zone.
They say the past is another country - it certainly is in Labour Scotland - where a scrap over a Labour candidate selection threatened the future of Grangemouth - a true 'parcel o'rogues'!
A nest of vipers for sure, they would make the mafia look like a charity
Should say that my Tory voting, but considering going LD acquaintance was also uncertain because they'd read Tim Farron thinks homosexuality is sinful - seems like they still need to get ahead of that whole issue and clarify his position some more, or it might cost a few crucial votes.
Straight out the Tory Scumbag`s Handbook of Dirty Tricks, Mr Kle, following on from the baying pack of Tory MPs in the House of Commons yesterday. Keep repeating it often enough, and people will come to believe it.
Sad to see Douglas Carswell will not be standing again. Personally I think he has been one of the very best MPs in the last 20 years and has made a massive positive contribution to changing our country for the better by his campaigning over Brexit. A great loss to Parliament and the country.
Brilliant news. Teaches the c**t not to trust the Tories. Now he is maroooooooooooned.
Anyone can rat but it takes a certain ingenuity to re-rat.
Mid-afternoon, however, the leaders’ office issued a statement, which definitively ruled out a second referendum as a manifesto pledge. “A second referendum is not our policy and it won’t be in our manifesto,” a spokesman said.
Sad to see Douglas Carswell will not be standing again. Personally I think he has been one of the very best MPs in the last 20 years and has made a massive positive contribution to changing our country for the better by his campaigning over Brexit. A great loss to Parliament and the country.
Brilliant news. Teaches the c**t not to trust the Tories. Now he is maroooooooooooned.
Ah yes typical tory to lay into a person like that - oh wait
A good piece. The reality is that government spending is going to start to rising a lot faster in the next Parliament whoever wins. Austerity has a natural limit and I fear we are at it.
We either get goodish growth (seems unlikely but not impossible) or we pay more taxes. There is so much here for a competent opposition to pin the Tory's more "optimistic" scenarios with. Not likely to happen in this election campaign though.
Should say that my Tory voting, but considering going LD acquaintance was also uncertain because they'd read Tim Farron thinks homosexuality is sinful - seems like they still need to get ahead of that whole issue and clarify his position some more, or it might cost a few crucial votes.
Straight out the Tory Scumbag`s Handbook of Dirty Tricks, Mr Kle, following on from the baying pack of Tory MPs in the House of Commons yesterday. Keep repeating it often enough, and people will come to believe it.
The Lib Dems would know all about dirty tricks.
Farron's views on homosexuality are absolutely relevant as the leader of a liberal party.
Seriously, David ?
Tim is a committed Christian and that's fair enough and clearly you could argue there's more than one line in the Bible (the one I'm thinking of is somewhere in Leviticus) that opposes gay sex.
However, until and unless that becomes part of LD policy and politics, I really don't care. Many politicians, including those Conservatives who supported Section 28, have been on a personal journey and I respect all who have done so. Tim's parliamentary record isn't perfect but his personal beliefs (whatever they are) only become an issue when and if they become part of his politics and if he tries to inculcate them into party policy.
He hasn't to my knowledge. The Party stands full square in support of the LGBT community and all this is a bit of media obfuscation. Should we not hold Theresa May to the same standard ?
None. They could choose to not relocate their agencies if they wanted.
Brexit means Brexit...
You won. Suck it up!
It's madness for anyone to think that there won't be a final bill for us to exit the EU. It's also madness for the EU to pad out that bill. It might sound tough, and I'm sure you've wet your pants over it, but it's only going to be counter productive, as is any talk of us walking away without paying anything.
President of the EU Parliament meeting TM today endorsed the GE and the stability for negotiations that the election of a stable government will bring.
Also looking to an early settlement of rights of EU and UK workers on the same terms as now
Has there been some new French poll? Emmanuel Macron is now as short as 1.78.
I was trying to work out the odds. If Macron fails the cut for the second round, I would think Fillon is nearly certain for the presidency - because Macron won't be there; and Fillon would win against Le Pen and Mélenchon in the increasingly unlikely event he makes the cut. In principle this would mean the chances of a Fillon presidency are almost correlated with the chances of Macron NOT making the initial cut.
Surely the response to a request for us to fund them relocating their agencies is "we're not asking them to leave".
Which part of "leaving the EU" are you confused by?
None. They could choose to not relocate their agencies if they wanted.
And we could remain party to the EMA too. It's all part of the negotiation.
At least, it should be.
Exactly. This is another example of one side laying out a starting position for the negotiation.
Only if you consider 'we're leaving' to be a negotiating position rather than a statement of fact. I might like that to be the case but I'm surprised you seem to.
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Here's Jezza in 1981.
Joe Anderson, the mayor of Liverpool, has announced plans to stand as Labour MP in the constituency currently held by Steve Rotheram - who is in the running to become metro mayor for the Liverpool City region, the Press Association reports.
Rotheram, MP for Liverpool Walton, is Labour’s candidate for the new post of Liverpool City region metro mayor, due to be elected next month, leaving his seat vacant if he is voted in.
Anderson announced on Thursday he intended to stand as the Labour candidate for Walton in the general election on June 8 if selected by the party’s national executive committee.
Rotheram beat Anderson and Wavertree MP Luciana Berger to be selected as the Labour candidate for the mayoral role.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/live/2017/apr/20/general-election-2017-corbyn-speech-greens-launch-politics-live?page=with:block-58f8b661e4b05776df18f747#block-58f8b661e4b05776df18f747
Will IPSA's new legislation preventing MPs from employing family members using public funds cover the dodge where McDonnell employs Corbyn Junior?
If not, it makes a mockery of the regulation.
Besides, I bet the appointment was fully above board, with many candidates interviewed for the job ... (laughs)
If they want to relocate that's their choice not oura.
I'll wait...
Oh, those halcyon days of 'nothing to see here' in Labour Scotland and 'everything's fine'.......
In fact, I would argue the theoretical Conservative floor in terms of seats is probably lower than the theoretical Labour floor.
The odds on a Tory win in Lancaster and Fleetwood were just cut from 4/11 to 1/7 on Sportsbook as I was depositing the money to place the bet!
So annoying.
All you ever do is attack other posters - that's really boring.
Why not go back to whining about child tax credits?
https://yougov.co.uk/news/2017/04/20/progressive-alliance-could-it-work/
http://www.publicfinance.co.uk/opinion/2017/04/public-services-pressures-next-government-cant-ignore?utm_source=Adestra&utm_medium=email&utm_term=
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_political_families_in_the_United_Kingdom
Labour most seats 18.5/19.5
Farron's views on homosexuality are absolutely relevant as the leader of a liberal party.
LOL whatever next.
Carswell clearly lacked the ingenuity.
Mid-afternoon, however, the leaders’ office issued a statement, which definitively ruled out a second referendum as a manifesto pledge. “A second referendum is not our policy and it won’t be in our manifesto,” a spokesman said.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/apr/20/jeremy-corbyn-john-mcdonnell-speech-establishment-people-brexit?CMP=twt_gu
Have the Lib Dems been clear yet on what they'll propose?
How progressive.
You won. Suck it up!
And we could remain party to the EMA too. It's all part of the negotiation.
At least, it should be.
http://time.com/collection/2017-time-100/4736344/theresa-may/
https://twitter.com/GOsborneGenius/status/854371377171836928
We either get goodish growth (seems unlikely but not impossible) or we pay more taxes. There is so much here for a competent opposition to pin the Tory's more "optimistic" scenarios with. Not likely to happen in this election campaign though.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4428940/MP-admits-election-NOT-changing-Government.html
"In an extraordinary TV interview, Helen Goodman said Labour's task was to constrain the size of the Conservative majority and not to win the poll."
Well, nice to see some honesty from a politician
Or is she just a fecking tory??
Tim is a committed Christian and that's fair enough and clearly you could argue there's more than one line in the Bible (the one I'm thinking of is somewhere in Leviticus) that opposes gay sex.
However, until and unless that becomes part of LD policy and politics, I really don't care. Many politicians, including those Conservatives who supported Section 28, have been on a personal journey and I respect all who have done so. Tim's parliamentary record isn't perfect but his personal beliefs (whatever they are) only become an issue when and if they become part of his politics and if he tries to inculcate them into party policy.
He hasn't to my knowledge. The Party stands full square in support of the LGBT community and all this is a bit of media obfuscation. Should we not hold Theresa May to the same standard ?
That is positively Putinesque.
Also looking to an early settlement of rights of EU and UK workers on the same terms as now
Labour have a majority of just under 9K in Warrington North. The Tories have the other seat.
I live in Thanet South
BTW we still dont know for sure what is happening with Craig M
Put the pen down Roger...
http://www.conservativehome.com/parliament/2017/04/election-2017-the-mps-standing-down.html?utm_campaign=twitter&utm_medium=twitter&utm_source=twitter
There are a bunch of things that are going to change, some of which you won't like, as a result of Brexit.
If you voted for it, you won. Suck it up!