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Mark Rowley said in the news conference that police believed the attacker was inspired by international terrorism.0
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"He said that Britain’s Muslim communities “will feel vulnerable at this time, given the past actions of right-wing extremists”."
Utter bilge
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God not this bullshit again.Floater said:"He said that Britain’s Muslim communities “will feel vulnerable at this time, given the past actions of right-wing extremists”."
Utter bilge
Did he also utter "Nothing to do with Islam"?0 -
Keith Palmer, 48, had 15 years service as a police officer and was killed in today's attack, police have confirmed.
May he rest in peace.0 -
So to summarise.Big_G_NorthWales said:Watching the football so missed him but hadn't seen him on Sky all day
Khan hasn't appeared!
- He released a statement at 16:26
I haven't seen him!
- He released a video at 19:33
He should be more prominent!
- He was at the COBR meeting at about 20:00
But why wasn't he on telly?
- Sky showed his video at 20:46
I was watching football...
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Thankfully they obviously couldn't get their hands on automatic weapons.Y0kel said:This guy did not wake up this morning and decide to do this. It was thought out, it was planned and others were aware it was coming.
Can't make it more clear than that.0 -
What evidence do you have that others were aware it was coming?Y0kel said:This guy did not wake up this morning and decide to do this. It was thought out, it was planned and others were aware it was coming.
Can't make it more clear than that.
The perpetrator almost certainly planned it (to a greater or lesser extent) but that does not provide any indication that he told others of his intentions.
He may well have done - but we just don't know enough yet.0 -
You are being judgemental and all I can say is that we should agree to disagreeYorkcity said:
In this scenario you should wait before passing your judgement.You are no expert because you watch sky news all day.Big_G_NorthWales said:
I hope you are not saying that I cannot be critical of public figures when I hear nothing else from most on hereYorkcity said:
Never said you did but you are critical of public figures and you have no idea how they are been briefed or what is going on behind the scenes.Big_G_NorthWales said:
That is unnecessary - I did not name the suspectYorkcity said:
Take his advice then.Big_G_NorthWales said:Chief slapped down unnecessary reporting
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Society has become very practiced at the rituals for these occasions, sadly. Outrage and grief, defiance, deflection and then eventually forgetfulness. It's how we cope.Floater said:"He said that Britain’s Muslim communities “will feel vulnerable at this time, given the past actions of right-wing extremists”."
Utter bilge0 -
RIPRichard_Nabavi said:Keith Palmer, 48, had 15 years service as a police officer and was killed in today's attack, police have confirmed.
May he rest in peace.
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As I said he was not on Sky until 20.46viewcode said:
So to summarise.Big_G_NorthWales said:Watching the football so missed him but hadn't seen him on Sky all day
Khan hasn't appeared!
- He released a statement at 16:26
I haven't seen him!
- He released a video at 19:33
He should be more prominent!
- He was at the COBR meeting at about 20:00
But why wasn't he on telly?
- Sky showed his video at 20:46
I was watching football...0 -
so are our escort ships - who needs surface to surface missiles anyway........Alanbrooke said:
it's UK policyY0kel said:So Britain, get your head around this. The police officer killed, whilst policing around a high value location was reportedly unarmed.
our aircraft carriers are the same0 -
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First round in Gorton
Luthfur Rahman 163
Afzal Khan 149
Yasmin Dar 134
Amina Lone 83
Nasrin Ali 170 -
It used to take a month for this kind of crap to appear in the Guardian, then it went down to about a week to start appearing on the BBC, now not even 24hrs from the plod.oxfordsimon said:0 -
Ali's redistrubution
Rahman 163
Dar 149
Khan 149
Lone 83
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Poor Nasrin - must suck to be so far behind all the others.AndreaParma_82 said:First round in Gorton
Luthfur Rahman 163
Afzal Khan 149
Yasmin Dar 134
Amina Lone 83
Nasrin Ali 170 -
No gender bias there then.AndreaParma_82 said:First round in Gorton
Luthfur Rahman 163
Afzal Khan 149
Yasmin Dar 134
Amina Lone 83
Nasrin Ali 170 -
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http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/local-news/councillor-punched-and-kicked-man-in-mosque-890911AndreaParma_82 said:First round in Gorton
Luthfur Rahman 163
Afzal Khan 149
Yasmin Dar 134
Amina Lone 83
Nasrin Ali 170 -
Rhaman eliminated.
Dar amd Khan go into final stage0 -
Isn't he jumping the gun assuming a Muslim is responsible?FrancisUrquhart said:
It used to take a month for this kind of crap to appear in the Guardian, then it went down to about a week to start appearing on the BBC, now not even 24hrs from the plod.oxfordsimon said:0 -
Well the Sky "expert" earlier was already theorizing about if he had a mental health issue....isam said:
Isn't he jumping the gun assuming a Muslim is responsible?FrancisUrquhart said:
It used to take a month for this kind of crap to appear in the Guardian, then it went down to about a week to start appearing on the BBC, now not even 24hrs from the plod.oxfordsimon said:
More seriously, they clearly know who he is, they just aren't telling the media or public.0 -
I rescind my earlier comment!AndreaParma_82 said:Rhaman eliminated.
Dar amd Khan go into final stage0 -
oxfordsimon said:
But we have seen that for as long as people can remember. Communities have always grown up in particular parts of our towns and cities. People move to be near their families/friends and so this 'segregation' grows naturally.Tykejohnno said:
Not just schools but whole area's of our cities/towns,I said this before that I can see my city heading like belfast in segregation.FrancisUrquhart said:Quarter of English state primary schools are 'ethnically segregated'
Segregation levels have fallen in schools in Bradford in West Yorkshire and Oldham in Lancashire, but the report says the problem is increasing in Blackburn in Lancashire, Kirklees in West Yorkshire, the London borough of Barnet and Peterborough in Cambridgeshire.
https://www.theguardian.com/education/2017/mar/22/english-state-primary-schools-ethnically-segregated-white-british-children
What we cannot permit is for this to lead to no-go areas for our public services. The police and social services (to name but two) have to have equal access to all of these communities and for their services to be respected.
We cannot permit is for 'community relations' to be a reason for not upholding the rule of law or the basic standards of human
After the bradford riots we were told that we needed social engineering of people living together( Great idea in my view)what did we get but more poor mass immigration.
Blame the fukwits in charge is my view.0 -
Think the other way around, perhaps someone told him to do it.oxfordsimon said:
What evidence do you have that others were aware it was coming?Y0kel said:This guy did not wake up this morning and decide to do this. It was thought out, it was planned and others were aware it was coming.
Can't make it more clear than that.
The perpetrator almost certainly planned it (to a greater or lesser extent) but that does not provide any indication that he told others of his intentions.
He may well have done - but we just don't know enough yet.0 -
Khan has quite a track record to defend....
https://order-order.com/2017/03/13/labour-gorton-favourite-israeli-government-are-like-nazis/
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...fifty minutes before Theresa May's first TV appearance at 21:25Big_G_NorthWales said:
As I said he was not on Sky until 20.46viewcode said:
So to summarise.Big_G_NorthWales said:Watching the football so missed him but hadn't seen him on Sky all day
Khan hasn't appeared!
- He released a statement at 16:26
I haven't seen him!
- He released a video at 19:33
He should be more prominent!
- He was at the COBR meeting at about 20:00
But why wasn't he on telly?
- Sky showed his video at 20:46
I was watching football...0 -
No problem with antisemitism in the Labour Party...they had an inquiry and everything...oxfordsimon said:Khan has quite a track record to defend....
https://order-order.com/2017/03/13/labour-gorton-favourite-israeli-government-are-like-nazis/0 -
Perhaps they did. Perhaps it was the voices in his head.Y0kel said:
Think the other way around, perhaps someone told him to do it.oxfordsimon said:
What evidence do you have that others were aware it was coming?Y0kel said:This guy did not wake up this morning and decide to do this. It was thought out, it was planned and others were aware it was coming.
Can't make it more clear than that.
The perpetrator almost certainly planned it (to a greater or lesser extent) but that does not provide any indication that he told others of his intentions.
He may well have done - but we just don't know enough yet.
But we don't yet know.0 -
No, May was shown live before 9pm.viewcode said:
...fifty minutes before Theresa May's first TV appearance at 21:25Big_G_NorthWales said:
As I said he was not on Sky until 20.46viewcode said:
So to summarise.Big_G_NorthWales said:Watching the football so missed him but hadn't seen him on Sky all day
Khan hasn't appeared!
- He released a statement at 16:26
I haven't seen him!
- He released a video at 19:33
He should be more prominent!
- He was at the COBR meeting at about 20:00
But why wasn't he on telly?
- Sky showed his video at 20:46
I was watching football...0 -
Penultime stage was
Khan 191
Dar 175
Rahman 1730 -
Perhaps?Y0kel said:
Think the other way around, perhaps someone told him to do it.oxfordsimon said:
What evidence do you have that others were aware it was coming?Y0kel said:This guy did not wake up this morning and decide to do this. It was thought out, it was planned and others were aware it was coming.
Can't make it more clear than that.
The perpetrator almost certainly planned it (to a greater or lesser extent) but that does not provide any indication that he told others of his intentions.
He may well have done - but we just don't know enough yet.0 -
He was also at a rally to celebrate the Islamic Revolution in Iran recently (with Yasmin Dar)FrancisUrquhart said:
No problem with antisemitism in the Labour Party...they had an inquiry and everything...oxfordsimon said:Khan has quite a track record to defend....
https://order-order.com/2017/03/13/labour-gorton-favourite-israeli-government-are-like-nazis/
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A risky area of law for shooting from the hip - even imputing the crimes for which they are not guilty to someone with convictions could be expensive.FrancisUrquhart said:Have ch4 just libelled a terrorist....Imagine if they have and have to pay compensation. Surely they won't have balls this up, surely?
There are plenty of hip-shooters who got it wrong. Last December Katie H cost the Mail £150k for an accusation of mere terrorist links. They didn't even defend it in Court.
https://www.theguardian.com/media/2016/dec/19/mail-pays-out-150k-to-muslim-family-over-katie-hopkins-column
And Gorgeous George has had spondulicks because false allegations were made about him.
AIUI repeating or alluding to a defmatory allegation even in jest can be questionable (Sally Bercow) or putting forward suggestions of possible miscreants can be problematic (see the Schofield / Cameron Interview where he just held up a little list for a second in view on TV and the broadcaster caved to the tune of £125k out of Court).
The problems have been somewhat blunted in English Law through reform, but not iirc in NI Law. Scotland was always a rule unto itself, and I am not sure about Wales.
So playing libel games (which can be appropriate imo) is perhaps best done on personal websites rather than Mike's PB podium.
I am not a lawyer, but I think that is right ... corrections welcome.0 -
Incidentally if you're interested, Khan was on telly again at 23:02viewcode said:
...fifty minutes before Theresa May's first TV appearance at 21:25Big_G_NorthWales said:
As I said he was not on Sky until 20.46viewcode said:
So to summarise.Big_G_NorthWales said:Watching the football so missed him but hadn't seen him on Sky all day
Khan hasn't appeared!
- He released a statement at 16:26
I haven't seen him!
- He released a video at 19:33
He should be more prominent!
- He was at the COBR meeting at about 20:00
But why wasn't he on telly?
- Sky showed his video at 20:46
I was watching football...0 -
She was under police protection and at Cobra. I accept Khan was at Cobra and may have put out a statement but Sky did not feature him until 20.46.viewcode said:
...fifty minutes before Theresa May's first TV appearance at 21:25Big_G_NorthWales said:
As I said he was not on Sky until 20.46viewcode said:
So to summarise.Big_G_NorthWales said:Watching the football so missed him but hadn't seen him on Sky all day
Khan hasn't appeared!
- He released a statement at 16:26
I haven't seen him!
- He released a video at 19:33
He should be more prominent!
- He was at the COBR meeting at about 20:00
But why wasn't he on telly?
- Sky showed his video at 20:46
I was watching football...
As it so happens I think Khan is doing a reasonable job in London0 -
May was shown live on Sky before 9pm.Big_G_NorthWales said:
She was under police protection and at Cobra. I accept Khan was at Cobra and may have put out a statement but Sky did not feature him until 20.46.viewcode said:
...fifty minutes before Theresa May's first TV appearance at 21:25Big_G_NorthWales said:
As I said he was not on Sky until 20.46viewcode said:
So to summarise.Big_G_NorthWales said:Watching the football so missed him but hadn't seen him on Sky all day
Khan hasn't appeared!
- He released a statement at 16:26
I haven't seen him!
- He released a video at 19:33
He should be more prominent!
- He was at the COBR meeting at about 20:00
But why wasn't he on telly?
- Sky showed his video at 20:46
I was watching football...
As it so happens I think Khan is doing a reasonable job in London0 -
Afzal Khan MEP is the Labour candidate for Manchester Gorton0
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Ah yes.FrancisUrquhart said:
No problem with antisemitism in the Labour Party...they had an inquiry and everything...oxfordsimon said:Khan has quite a track record to defend....
https://order-order.com/2017/03/13/labour-gorton-favourite-israeli-government-are-like-nazis/
The independent inquiry that was conducted by a Labour member who then got elevated to house of lords.
That inquiry?0 -
Jumped ship just in time!AndreaParma_82 said:Afzal Khan MEP is the Labour candidate for Manchester Gorton
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As they are describing it as an act of Islamic terrorism that doesn't seem an unreasonable assumption ........isam said:
Isn't he jumping the gun assuming a Muslim is responsible?FrancisUrquhart said:
It used to take a month for this kind of crap to appear in the Guardian, then it went down to about a week to start appearing on the BBC, now not even 24hrs from the plod.oxfordsimon said:
Unless it was one of these right wing extremists the Met spokesman so worried about.0 -
Yep, could be mentally ill but you could equally suggest anyone capable of this kind of thing can be defined as ill on some kind of psychiatric spectrum. Equally, pure voices in the head to not one, but two deliberate actions towards people with which they have no association. Thats a a very very serious set of voices.oxfordsimon said:
Perhaps they did. Perhaps it was the voices in his head.Y0kel said:
Think the other way around, perhaps someone told him to do it.oxfordsimon said:
What evidence do you have that others were aware it was coming?Y0kel said:This guy did not wake up this morning and decide to do this. It was thought out, it was planned and others were aware it was coming.
Can't make it more clear than that.
The perpetrator almost certainly planned it (to a greater or lesser extent) but that does not provide any indication that he told others of his intentions.
He may well have done - but we just don't know enough yet.
But we don't yet know.
I could turn out to be wrong but it won't take more than 72 hours to find out.0 -
Sunil does it really matter who was on and when after the terrible events of today.I think some are been rather pedantic.Sunil_Prasannan said:
May was shown live on Sky before 9pm.Big_G_NorthWales said:
She was under police protection and at Cobra. I accept Khan was at Cobra and may have put out a statement but Sky did not feature him until 20.46.viewcode said:
...fifty minutes before Theresa May's first TV appearance at 21:25Big_G_NorthWales said:
As I said he was not on Sky until 20.46viewcode said:
So to summarise.Big_G_NorthWales said:Watching the football so missed him but hadn't seen him on Sky all day
Khan hasn't appeared!
- He released a statement at 16:26
I haven't seen him!
- He released a video at 19:33
He should be more prominent!
- He was at the COBR meeting at about 20:00
But why wasn't he on telly?
- Sky showed his video at 20:46
I was watching football...
As it so happens I think Khan is doing a reasonable job in London0 -
I pity the residents of Manchester Gorton with that choice.AndreaParma_82 said:Afzal Khan MEP is the Labour candidate for Manchester Gorton
I guess this might increase the LD chances in the seat.0 -
You've been on PB for a fair bit, haven't you noticed this phenomenon?Yorkcity said:
Sunil does it really matter who was on and when after the terrible events of today.I think some are been rather pedantic.Sunil_Prasannan said:
May was shown live on Sky before 9pm.Big_G_NorthWales said:
She was under police protection and at Cobra. I accept Khan was at Cobra and may have put out a statement but Sky did not feature him until 20.46.viewcode said:
...fifty minutes before Theresa May's first TV appearance at 21:25Big_G_NorthWales said:
As I said he was not on Sky until 20.46viewcode said:
So to summarise.Big_G_NorthWales said:Watching the football so missed him but hadn't seen him on Sky all day
Khan hasn't appeared!
- He released a statement at 16:26
I haven't seen him!
- He released a video at 19:33
He should be more prominent!
- He was at the COBR meeting at about 20:00
But why wasn't he on telly?
- Sky showed his video at 20:46
I was watching football...
As it so happens I think Khan is doing a reasonable job in London0 -
Willing to believe you (I took the times from the times posted on the BBC website, which are "on/before", not "on"), but the door swings both ways: that applies to Khan's appearance as wellSunil_Prasannan said:
No, May was shown live before 9pm.viewcode said:
...fifty minutes before Theresa May's first TV appearance at 21:25Big_G_NorthWales said:
As I said he was not on Sky until 20.46viewcode said:
So to summarise.Big_G_NorthWales said:Watching the football so missed him but hadn't seen him on Sky all day
Khan hasn't appeared!
- He released a statement at 16:26
I haven't seen him!
- He released a video at 19:33
He should be more prominent!
- He was at the COBR meeting at about 20:00
But why wasn't he on telly?
- Sky showed his video at 20:46
I was watching football...
It's a non-trivial point: I one day aspire to do a moment-by-moment analysis of UKGE2015 to track the modellers releasing updates (I'm convinced there's a lag), but establishing times are brutal: just like email, Twitter times are thought to be instantaneous but can be very laggy, so establishing times is a real problem
Do you have a source for May's before 9pm appearance? The only one I'm sure about is Khan's video - the streetlights are on, the sky is dark blue not black, Tower Bridge is in the background and the Twitter was at 7:33, so it had to have been filmed at City Hall between 6:45 and 7:30.
h ttp://www.ukweathercams.co.uk/sunrise_sunset_times.php0 -
I blame ViewcodeYorkcity said:
Sunil does it really matter who was on and when after the terrible events of today.I think some are been rather pedantic.Sunil_Prasannan said:
May was shown live on Sky before 9pm.Big_G_NorthWales said:
She was under police protection and at Cobra. I accept Khan was at Cobra and may have put out a statement but Sky did not feature him until 20.46.viewcode said:
...fifty minutes before Theresa May's first TV appearance at 21:25Big_G_NorthWales said:
As I said he was not on Sky until 20.46viewcode said:
So to summarise.Big_G_NorthWales said:Watching the football so missed him but hadn't seen him on Sky all day
Khan hasn't appeared!
- He released a statement at 16:26
I haven't seen him!
- He released a video at 19:33
He should be more prominent!
- He was at the COBR meeting at about 20:00
But why wasn't he on telly?
- Sky showed his video at 20:46
I was watching football...
As it so happens I think Khan is doing a reasonable job in London
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And I think May is also doing a reasonable job, mutatis mutandis.Big_G_NorthWales said:
She was under police protection and at Cobra. I accept Khan was at Cobra and may have put out a statement but Sky did not feature him until 20.46.viewcode said:
...fifty minutes before Theresa May's first TV appearance at 21:25Big_G_NorthWales said:
As I said he was not on Sky until 20.46viewcode said:
So to summarise.Big_G_NorthWales said:Watching the football so missed him but hadn't seen him on Sky all day
Khan hasn't appeared!
- He released a statement at 16:26
I haven't seen him!
- He released a video at 19:33
He should be more prominent!
- He was at the COBR meeting at about 20:00
But why wasn't he on telly?
- Sky showed his video at 20:46
I was watching football...
As it so happens I think Khan is doing a reasonable job in London0 -
They should call it 'so called' Islamic terrorismFloater said:
As they are describing it as an act of Islamic terrorism that doesn't seem an unreasonable assumption ........isam said:
Isn't he jumping the gun assuming a Muslim is responsible?FrancisUrquhart said:
It used to take a month for this kind of crap to appear in the Guardian, then it went down to about a week to start appearing on the BBC, now not even 24hrs from the plod.oxfordsimon said:
Unless it was one of these right wing extremists the Met spokesman so worried about.0 -
There's pedantry and then there's pedantry, if you follow.Y0kel said:
You've been on PB for a fair bit, haven't you noticed this phenomenon?Yorkcity said:
Sunil does it really matter who was on and when after the terrible events of today.I think some are been rather pedantic.Sunil_Prasannan said:
May was shown live on Sky before 9pm.Big_G_NorthWales said:
She was under police protection and at Cobra. I accept Khan was at Cobra and may have put out a statement but Sky did not feature him until 20.46.viewcode said:
...fifty minutes before Theresa May's first TV appearance at 21:25Big_G_NorthWales said:
As I said he was not on Sky until 20.46viewcode said:
So to summarise.Big_G_NorthWales said:Watching the football so missed him but hadn't seen him on Sky all day
Khan hasn't appeared!
- He released a statement at 16:26
I haven't seen him!
- He released a video at 19:33
He should be more prominent!
- He was at the COBR meeting at about 20:00
But why wasn't he on telly?
- Sky showed his video at 20:46
I was watching football...
As it so happens I think Khan is doing a reasonable job in London0 -
Daily mail with video of the speed the terrorist drove over the bridge at.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4340016/Footage-Westminster-Bridge-carnage.html
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And thus we know who the next MP will be, excellent.AndreaParma_82 said:Afzal Khan MEP is the Labour candidate for Manchester Gorton
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Nice way to end the evening - more important things today than semantics - have a good nightviewcode said:
And I think May is also doing a reasonable job, mutatis mutandis.Big_G_NorthWales said:
She was under police protection and at Cobra. I accept Khan was at Cobra and may have put out a statement but Sky did not feature him until 20.46.viewcode said:
...fifty minutes before Theresa May's first TV appearance at 21:25Big_G_NorthWales said:
As I said he was not on Sky until 20.46viewcode said:
So to summarise.Big_G_NorthWales said:Watching the football so missed him but hadn't seen him on Sky all day
Khan hasn't appeared!
- He released a statement at 16:26
I haven't seen him!
- He released a video at 19:33
He should be more prominent!
- He was at the COBR meeting at about 20:00
But why wasn't he on telly?
- Sky showed his video at 20:46
I was watching football...
As it so happens I think Khan is doing a reasonable job in London0 -
Maryland high school rape case sparks immigration row
Henry Sanchez, 18, and Jose Montano, 17, were charged in the alleged assault.
A spokesman for Immigration and Customs Enforcement confirmed that border agents had encountered Henry Sanchez near the US-Mexico border in Texas last August. He was freed and ordered to appear before an immigration judge, but no court date was set.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-393550160 -
Another lawyer in the House of Commons.AndreaParma_82 said:Afzal Khan MEP is the Labour candidate for Manchester Gorton
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I have Yokel do not really understand why though.Y0kel said:
You've been on PB for a fair bit, haven't you noticed this phenomenon?Yorkcity said:
Sunil does it really matter who was on and when after the terrible events of today.I think some are been rather pedantic.Sunil_Prasannan said:
May was shown live on Sky before 9pm.Big_G_NorthWales said:
She was under police protection and at Cobra. I accept Khan was at Cobra and may have put out a statement but Sky did not feature him until 20.46.viewcode said:
...fifty minutes before Theresa May's first TV appearance at 21:25Big_G_NorthWales said:
As I said he was not on Sky until 20.46viewcode said:
So to summarise.Big_G_NorthWales said:Watching the football so missed him but hadn't seen him on Sky all day
Khan hasn't appeared!
- He released a statement at 16:26
I haven't seen him!
- He released a video at 19:33
He should be more prominent!
- He was at the COBR meeting at about 20:00
But why wasn't he on telly?
- Sky showed his video at 20:46
I was watching football...
As it so happens I think Khan is doing a reasonable job in London0 -
Everybody does...Sunil_Prasannan said:
I blame ViewcodeYorkcity said:
Sunil does it really matter who was on and when after the terrible events of today.I think some are been rather pedantic.Sunil_Prasannan said:
May was shown live on Sky before 9pm.Big_G_NorthWales said:
She was under police protection and at Cobra. I accept Khan was at Cobra and may have put out a statement but Sky did not feature him until 20.46.viewcode said:
...fifty minutes before Theresa May's first TV appearance at 21:25Big_G_NorthWales said:
As I said he was not on Sky until 20.46viewcode said:
So to summarise.Big_G_NorthWales said:Watching the football so missed him but hadn't seen him on Sky all day
Khan hasn't appeared!
- He released a statement at 16:26
I haven't seen him!
- He released a video at 19:33
He should be more prominent!
- He was at the COBR meeting at about 20:00
But why wasn't he on telly?
- Sky showed his video at 20:46
I was watching football...
As it so happens I think Khan is doing a reasonable job in London 0 -
Unlike you to troll.isam said:
They should call it 'so called' Islamic terrorismFloater said:
As they are describing it as an act of Islamic terrorism that doesn't seem an unreasonable assumption ........isam said:
Isn't he jumping the gun assuming a Muslim is responsible?FrancisUrquhart said:
It used to take a month for this kind of crap to appear in the Guardian, then it went down to about a week to start appearing on the BBC, now not even 24hrs from the plod.oxfordsimon said:
Unless it was one of these right wing extremists the Met spokesman so worried about.0 -
I might well be with Jack Cade on this one....Artist said:
Another lawyer in the House of Commons.AndreaParma_82 said:Afzal Khan MEP is the Labour candidate for Manchester Gorton
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I've only studied Basic Pedantry, Advanced Pedantry wasn't available at my school.kle4 said:
There's pedantry and then there's pedantry, if you follow.Y0kel said:
You've been on PB for a fair bit, haven't you noticed this phenomenon?Yorkcity said:
Sunil does it really matter who was on and when after the terrible events of today.I think some are been rather pedantic.Sunil_Prasannan said:
May was shown live on Sky before 9pm.Big_G_NorthWales said:
She was under police protection and at Cobra. I accept Khan was at Cobra and may have put out a statement but Sky did not feature him until 20.46.viewcode said:
...fifty minutes before Theresa May's first TV appearance at 21:25Big_G_NorthWales said:
As I said he was not on Sky until 20.46viewcode said:
So to summarise.Big_G_NorthWales said:Watching the football so missed him but hadn't seen him on Sky all day
Khan hasn't appeared!
- He released a statement at 16:26
I haven't seen him!
- He released a video at 19:33
He should be more prominent!
- He was at the COBR meeting at about 20:00
But why wasn't he on telly?
- Sky showed his video at 20:46
I was watching football...
As it so happens I think Khan is doing a reasonable job in London0 -
Can I quote fellow PBers to back me up?viewcode said:
Willing to believe you (I took the times from the times posted on the BBC website, which are "on/before", not "on"), but the door swings both ways: that applies to Khan's appearance as wellSunil_Prasannan said:
No, May was shown live before 9pm.viewcode said:
...fifty minutes before Theresa May's first TV appearance at 21:25Big_G_NorthWales said:
As I said he was not on Sky until 20.46viewcode said:
So to summarise.Big_G_NorthWales said:Watching the football so missed him but hadn't seen him on Sky all day
Khan hasn't appeared!
- He released a statement at 16:26
I haven't seen him!
- He released a video at 19:33
He should be more prominent!
- He was at the COBR meeting at about 20:00
But why wasn't he on telly?
- Sky showed his video at 20:46
I was watching football...
It's a non-trivial point: I one day aspire to do a moment-by-moment analysis of UKGE2015 to track the modellers releasing updates (I'm convinced there's a lag), but establishing times are brutal: just like email, Twitter times are thought to be instantaneous but can be very laggy, so establishing times is a real problem
Do you have a source for May's before 9pm appearance? The only one I'm sure about is Khan's video - the streetlights are on, the sky is dark blue not black, Tower Bridge is in the background and the Twitter was at 7:33, so it had to have been filmed at City Hall between 6:45 and 7:30.
h ttp://www.ukweathercams.co.uk/sunrise_sunset_times.php
dr_spyn at 8.54:
http://politicalbetting.vanillaforums.com/discussion/comment/1481438/#Comment_1481438
Alanbrooke at 8.56:
http://politicalbetting.vanillaforums.com/discussion/comment/1481441/#Comment_1481441
isam at 8.57:
http://politicalbetting.vanillaforums.com/discussion/comment/1481443/#Comment_1481443
oxfordsimon and FrancisUrquhart at 8.58:
http://politicalbetting.vanillaforums.com/discussion/comment/1481444/#Comment_1481444
http://politicalbetting.vanillaforums.com/discussion/comment/1481445/#Comment_1481445
Big_G_NorthWales at 9.00
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A loss, to be sure. Although really I don't think schooling helps too much - I'm a 3rd generation pedant, these things are ingrained.Y0kel said:
I've only studied Basic Pedantry, Advanced Pedantry wasn't available at my school.kle4 said:
There's pedantry and then there's pedantry, if you follow.Y0kel said:
You've been on PB for a fair bit, haven't you noticed this phenomenon?Yorkcity said:
Sunil does it really matter who was on and when after the terrible events of today.I think some are been rather pedantic.Sunil_Prasannan said:
May was shown live on Sky before 9pm.Big_G_NorthWales said:
She was under police protection and at Cobra. I accept Khan was at Cobra and may have put out a statement but Sky did not feature him until 20.46.viewcode said:
...fifty minutes before Theresa May's first TV appearance at 21:25Big_G_NorthWales said:
As I said he was not on Sky until 20.46viewcode said:
So to summarise.Big_G_NorthWales said:Watching the football so missed him but hadn't seen him on Sky all day
Khan hasn't appeared!
- He released a statement at 16:26
I haven't seen him!
- He released a video at 19:33
He should be more prominent!
- He was at the COBR meeting at about 20:00
But why wasn't he on telly?
- Sky showed his video at 20:46
I was watching football...
As it so happens I think Khan is doing a reasonable job in London
More genuinely, raising points of pedantry is usually all in good fun and not terribly serious, in my view. When it comes down to what amounts to serious criticism on the back of a pedant's point, why, it sullies the good name of PB pedantry!0 -
You aren't able to enable and disable pedant mode at will? A pity...kle4 said:
A loss, to be sure. Although really I don't think schooling helps too much - I'm a 3rd generation pedant, these things are ingrained.Y0kel said:
I've only studied Basic Pedantry, Advanced Pedantry wasn't available at my school.kle4 said:
There's pedantry and then there's pedantry, if you follow.Y0kel said:
You've been on PB for a fair bit, haven't you noticed this phenomenon?Yorkcity said:
Sunil does it really matter who was on and when after the terrible events of today.I think some are been rather pedantic.Sunil_Prasannan said:
May was shown live on Sky before 9pm.Big_G_NorthWales said:
She was under police protection and at Cobra. I accept Khan was at Cobra and may have put out a statement but Sky did not feature him until 20.46.viewcode said:
...fifty minutes before Theresa May's first TV appearance at 21:25Big_G_NorthWales said:
As I said he was not on Sky until 20.46viewcode said:
So to summarise.Big_G_NorthWales said:Watching the football so missed him but hadn't seen him on Sky all day
Khan hasn't appeared!
- He released a statement at 16:26
I haven't seen him!
- He released a video at 19:33
He should be more prominent!
- He was at the COBR meeting at about 20:00
But why wasn't he on telly?
- Sky showed his video at 20:46
I was watching football...
As it so happens I think Khan is doing a reasonable job in London
More genuinely, raising points of pedantry is usually all in good fun and not terribly serious, in my view. When it comes down to what amounts to serious criticism on the back of a pedant's point, why, it sullies the good name of PB pedantry!
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Only with intense effort.RobD said:
You aren't able to enable and disable pedant mode at will? A pity...kle4 said:
A loss, to be sure. Although really I don't think schooling helps too much - I'm a 3rd generation pedant, these things are ingrained.Y0kel said:
I've only studied Basic Pedantry, Advanced Pedantry wasn't available at my school.kle4 said:
There's pedantry and then there's pedantry, if you follow.Y0kel said:
You've been on PB for a fair bit, haven't you noticed this phenomenon?Yorkcity said:
Sunil does it really matter who was on and when after the terrible events of today.I think some are been rather pedantic.Sunil_Prasannan said:
May was shown live on Sky before 9pm.Big_G_NorthWales said:
She was under police protection and at Cobra. I accept Khan was at Cobra and may have put out a statement but Sky did not feature him until 20.46.viewcode said:
...fifty minutes before Theresa May's first TV appearance at 21:25Big_G_NorthWales said:
As I said he was not on Sky until 20.46viewcode said:
So to summarise.Big_G_NorthWales said:Watching the football so missed him but hadn't seen him on Sky all day
Khan hasn't appeared!
- He released a statement at 16:26
I haven't seen him!
- He released a video at 19:33
He should be more prominent!
- He was at the COBR meeting at about 20:00
But why wasn't he on telly?
- Sky showed his video at 20:46
I was watching football...
As it so happens I think Khan is doing a reasonable job in London
More genuinely, raising points of pedantry is usually all in good fun and not terribly serious, in my view. When it comes down to what amounts to serious criticism on the back of a pedant's point, why, it sullies the good name of PB pedantry!
May tomorrow be a better day.0 -
So she would have come out straight from the COBR meeting. I'm not sure what time it started, but it lasted for 46minutes, so if it started at 8pm she would have had 5 minutes to get to the lectern..If it started at 7:30 there would have been barely enough time for Khan to film his thing at City Hall and get to 10 Downing St.Sunil_Prasannan said:
Can I quote fellow PBers to back me up?viewcode said:
Willing to believe you (I took the times from the times posted on the BBC website, which are "on/before", not "on"), but the door swings both ways: that applies to Khan's appearance as wellSunil_Prasannan said:
No, May was shown live before 9pm.
It's a non-trivial point: I one day aspire to do a moment-by-moment analysis of UKGE2015 to track the modellers releasing updates (I'm convinced there's a lag), but establishing times are brutal: just like email, Twitter times are thought to be instantaneous but can be very laggy, so establishing times is a real problem
Do you have a source for May's before 9pm appearance? The only one I'm sure about is Khan's video - the streetlights are on, the sky is dark blue not black, Tower Bridge is in the background and the Twitter was at 7:33, so it had to have been filmed at City Hall between 6:45 and 7:30.
h ttp://www.ukweathercams.co.uk/sunrise_sunset_times.php
dr_spyn at 8.54:
http://politicalbetting.vanillaforums.com/discussion/comment/1481438/#Comment_1481438
Alanbrooke at 8.56:
http://politicalbetting.vanillaforums.com/discussion/comment/1481441/#Comment_1481441
isam at 8.57:
http://politicalbetting.vanillaforums.com/discussion/comment/1481443/#Comment_1481443
oxfordsimon and FrancisUrquhart at 8.58:
http://politicalbetting.vanillaforums.com/discussion/comment/1481444/#Comment_1481444
http://politicalbetting.vanillaforums.com/discussion/comment/1481445/#Comment_1481445
Big_G_NorthWales at 9.00
http://politicalbetting.vanillaforums.com/discussion/comment/1481449/#Comment_14814490 -
In Scotland, it's Higher PedantryY0kel said:
I've only studied Basic Pedantry, Advanced Pedantry wasn't available at my school.kle4 said:
There's pedantry and then there's pedantry, if you follow.Y0kel said:
You've been on PB for a fair bit, haven't you noticed this phenomenon?Yorkcity said:
Sunil does it really matter who was on and when after the terrible events of today.I think some are been rather pedantic.Sunil_Prasannan said:
May was shown live on Sky before 9pm.Big_G_NorthWales said:
She was under police protection and at Cobra. I accept Khan was at Cobra and may have put out a statement but Sky did not feature him until 20.46.viewcode said:
...fifty minutes before Theresa May's first TV appearance at 21:25Big_G_NorthWales said:
As I said he was not on Sky until 20.46viewcode said:
So to summarise.Big_G_NorthWales said:Watching the football so missed him but hadn't seen him on Sky all day
Khan hasn't appeared!
- He released a statement at 16:26
I haven't seen him!
- He released a video at 19:33
He should be more prominent!
- He was at the COBR meeting at about 20:00
But why wasn't he on telly?
- Sky showed his video at 20:46
I was watching football...
As it so happens I think Khan is doing a reasonable job in London0 -
That's the sort that the English don't fully understand....is it better than Basic but below Advanced or is it equal to Advanced or just different...viewcode said:
In Scotland, it's Higher PedantryY0kel said:
I've only studied Basic Pedantry, Advanced Pedantry wasn't available at my school.kle4 said:
There's pedantry and then there's pedantry, if you follow.Y0kel said:
You've been on PB for a fair bit, haven't you noticed this phenomenon?Yorkcity said:
Sunil does it really matter who was on and when after the terrible events of today.I think some are been rather pedantic.Sunil_Prasannan said:
May was shown live on Sky before 9pm.Big_G_NorthWales said:
She was under police protection and at Cobra. I accept Khan was at Cobra and may have put out a statement but Sky did not feature him until 20.46.viewcode said:
...fifty minutes before Theresa May's first TV appearance at 21:25Big_G_NorthWales said:
As I said he was not on Sky until 20.46viewcode said:
So to summarise.Big_G_NorthWales said:Watching the football so missed him but hadn't seen him on Sky all day
Khan hasn't appeared!
- He released a statement at 16:26
I haven't seen him!
- He released a video at 19:33
He should be more prominent!
- He was at the COBR meeting at about 20:00
But why wasn't he on telly?
- Sky showed his video at 20:46
I was watching football...
As it so happens I think Khan is doing a reasonable job in London0 -
Speaking of pedantry, Laurie Penny offers up an easy target today:
Laurie PennyVerified account
@PennyRed
Following
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Thoughts and atheist prayers with everyone in Westminster right now. What a horrifying situation.
https://twitter.com/PennyRed/status/844588769177206784
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It's similar to, but not exactly the same as, the old Advanced Supplemental Pedantry in respect to age, but not necessarily the same level of difficultyFrancisUrquhart said:
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You'll take the High Pedantry and I'll take the Low Pedantryviewcode said:
In Scotland, it's Higher PedantryY0kel said:
I've only studied Basic Pedantry, Advanced Pedantry wasn't available at my school.kle4 said:
There's pedantry and then there's pedantry, if you follow.Y0kel said:
You've been on PB for a fair bit, haven't you noticed this phenomenon?Yorkcity said:
Sunil does it really matter who was on and when after the terrible events of today.I think some are been rather pedantic.Sunil_Prasannan said:
May was shown live on Sky before 9pm.Big_G_NorthWales said:
She was under police protection and at Cobra. I accept Khan was at Cobra and may have put out a statement but Sky did not feature him until 20.46.viewcode said:
...fifty minutes before Theresa May's first TV appearance at 21:25Big_G_NorthWales said:
As I said he was not on Sky until 20.46viewcode said:
So to summarise.Big_G_NorthWales said:Watching the football so missed him but hadn't seen him on Sky all day
Khan hasn't appeared!
- He released a statement at 16:26
I haven't seen him!
- He released a video at 19:33
He should be more prominent!
- He was at the COBR meeting at about 20:00
But why wasn't he on telly?
- Sky showed his video at 20:46
I was watching football...
As it so happens I think Khan is doing a reasonable job in London0 -
Something imaginary that doesn't exist help us!Paristonda said:Speaking of pedantry, Laurie Penny offers up an easy target today:
Laurie PennyVerified account
@PennyRed
Following
More
Thoughts and atheist prayers with everyone in Westminster right now. What a horrifying situation.
https://twitter.com/PennyRed/status/844588769177206784
An atheist prayer? How is that different from a thought?0 -
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ryWVRS4aehM&t=3sParistonda said:An atheist prayer? How is that different from a thought?
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I thought the High Pedantry was a lamasery on the Tibetan PlateauSunil_Prasannan said:You'll take the High Pedantry and I'll take the Low Pedantry
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Checking in on the update and see an endless squabble about who gave what statement first. Not one of PB's finest moments. Generally the PM gets quoted first, and quite naturally so. I think she did a good job.0
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Trumpton
The intervention by House Intelligence Chair Nunes was, you could assume, designed to put a spoke in the wheel of any investigation of Trump campaign co-ordination with the Putin regime.
It may turn out to have been a poor intervention because it effectively says officials in the Trump campaign were talking to Russian officials who were under counter intelligence watch. Then you have the amount of conversations..and then then subject matter.
It has taken no time at all for another 'off the record' brief to come out in the #FAKENEWS media about how far investigations are digging.
I said a couple of weeks back when Trump went on one of his early morning up for a pee Twitter postings that you had to bear in mind one of the motivations driving him. Fear.
Some of his associates are potentially in worse positions than him.
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For some reason he's deleted his Twitter account, but you can read them anyway on here:AndreaParma_82 said:Afzal Khan MEP is the Labour candidate for Manchester Gorton
https://www.politwoops.co.uk/p/eu/Afzal4Gorton0 -
As a good church going* atheist, I do not know how this is possible. When my wife tells me she'll pray for me, I just laugh (inside) and tell her not to waste her time.Paristonda said:
An atheist prayer? How is that different from a thought?
*She's CoE but is disabled so needs help in church. I attend. I listen. It's all bollocks.0 -
You're wrong but I understand your thinking.TheValiant said:
As a good church going* atheist, I do not know how this is possible. When my wife tells me she'll pray for me, I just laugh (inside) and tell her not to waste her time.Paristonda said:
An atheist prayer? How is that different from a thought?
*She's CoE but is disabled so needs help in church. I attend. I listen. It's all bollocks.0 -
There was a slightly weird coincidence. I watched "Neighbours" on Channel 5+1 at 2:45. In the episode, one character arrived at Westminster tube station and then immediately went into St Thomas' Hospital to visit another character (who had been hit by a car). I wondered if there was any dramatic licence in the locations, so I looked in the atlas to check where St Homas' Hospital is.
Then I switched over to BBC News and saw the reports of the attack.0 -
Rowling nail, head.
J.K. Rowling @jk_rowling
A policeman died to protect parliamentary democracy. An MP fought to save his life. We grieve, we fight on. This is the country we live in.
Julia Hartley-Brewer @JuliaHB1
ONE man armed with just a car & knives can kill FOUR people & injure 20, many seriously, on our streets. This is the country we now live in.
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WSJ on May:
“No prime minister…has been better prepared to deal with this [attack] given her responsibilities for six years looking after these very issues,” said Anthony Seldon, an expert on British political history.
Ms. May was the U.K.’s longest-serving home secretary in modern times. She took the role in 2010 and left it in July when she became prime minister. As home secretary, she was in charge of British police, border security and the domestic intelligence services MI5.
“She’s absolutely smart and strong on security,” said Jonathan Russell, head of policy at Quilliam, a counter-extremism think tank in London.
https://www.wsj.com/amp/articles/london-attack-hands-may-her-first-security-crisis-14902218300 -
Is there an old thread or a new thread?0
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I wish the world would stop lighting up monuments with the flag of a nation which has just been attacked. It's and empty gesture. It would be better to do nothing, because at least that is an honest reaction. Nothing is going to change, we will still allow these savages to come to our countries and perpetrate vile crimes against us. Time to end all Muslim migration to the UK and begin selectively taking those who are secular and not taking those who are actively religious. It is also time to make life uncomfortable for Islamists in the UK so that they are unable to continue their barbarian ways without leaving for somewhere else.0
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If history is any guide, the chances are yesterday's murderer was British born and bred.MaxPB said:I wish the world would stop lighting up monuments with the flag of a nation which has just been attacked. It's and empty gesture. It would be better to do nothing, because at least that is an honest reaction. Nothing is going to change, we will still allow these savages to come to our countries and perpetrate vile crimes against us. Time to end all Muslim migration to the UK and begin selectively taking those who are secular and not taking those who are actively religious. It is also time to make life uncomfortable for Islamists in the UK so that they are unable to continue their barbarian ways without leaving for somewhere else.
While we don't know, probably wisest not to speculate.0 -
Wouldn't want to pull a Channel 4...CarlottaVance said:
If history is any guide, the chances are yesterday's murderer was British born and bred.MaxPB said:I wish the world would stop lighting up monuments with the flag of a nation which has just been attacked. It's and empty gesture. It would be better to do nothing, because at least that is an honest reaction. Nothing is going to change, we will still allow these savages to come to our countries and perpetrate vile crimes against us. Time to end all Muslim migration to the UK and begin selectively taking those who are secular and not taking those who are actively religious. It is also time to make life uncomfortable for Islamists in the UK so that they are unable to continue their barbarian ways without leaving for somewhere else.
While we don't know, probably wisest not to speculate.
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Interesting that Channel 4 apologised to its viewers - not the person it incorrectly identified!RobD said:
Wouldn't want to pull a Channel 4...CarlottaVance said:
If history is any guide, the chances are yesterday's murderer was British born and bred.MaxPB said:I wish the world would stop lighting up monuments with the flag of a nation which has just been attacked. It's and empty gesture. It would be better to do nothing, because at least that is an honest reaction. Nothing is going to change, we will still allow these savages to come to our countries and perpetrate vile crimes against us. Time to end all Muslim migration to the UK and begin selectively taking those who are secular and not taking those who are actively religious. It is also time to make life uncomfortable for Islamists in the UK so that they are unable to continue their barbarian ways without leaving for somewhere else.
While we don't know, probably wisest not to speculate.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4340030/Humiliation-Channel-4-incorrectly-London-attacker.html0 -
Unless he is a convert then at some level he has been invited to the UK, whether by virtue of his parents or his own immigration. The point of stopping Muslim immigration would be to reverse the increasing belligerence and intolerance that is growing within Islamic communities in the UK. Intolerance that didn't exist 20 years ago. The young are more hard-line than their parents and grandparents, who, by Islamic standards were pretty liberal. That change has come because of foreign influence in Mosques, allowing schools in inner cities to be run as Islamist fiefdoms and a general rejection of western culture by Islamic communities. Rather than increasing the number of Muslims and therefore the issues we face, we should halt the increase and start to encourage those with incompatible views to leave the UK and encourage those who share our values to be bolder about it by giving protection for apostates, protection for women who marry outside of the religion etc... Right now those two groups and others who reject Islamic values are essentially left defenceless. If the government offered real protection it could enable a new wave of integration into British culture by UK Muslims.CarlottaVance said:
If history is any guide, the chances are yesterday's murderer was British born and bred.MaxPB said:I wish the world would stop lighting up monuments with the flag of a nation which has just been attacked. It's and empty gesture. It would be better to do nothing, because at least that is an honest reaction. Nothing is going to change, we will still allow these savages to come to our countries and perpetrate vile crimes against us. Time to end all Muslim migration to the UK and begin selectively taking those who are secular and not taking those who are actively religious. It is also time to make life uncomfortable for Islamists in the UK so that they are unable to continue their barbarian ways without leaving for somewhere else.
While we don't know, probably wisest not to speculate.
We do very little to help Muslims integrate into British life, then complain when these things happen. We also invite the worst of vile Islamist world into the country to speak at universities and Mosques at the same time. It is absolutely mental.
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I see Trump Jr didn't have a good day yesterday - not helpful when Pa visits later this year......
http://time.com/4710166/donald-trump-jr-london-mayor-sadiq-khan-terror-attack-parliament/?xid=time_socialflow_twitter0 -
Follow up to yesterday's Guardian article on the Single Aviation Market in the Economist:
Perhaps things are not quite as bleak as is being suggested. It is true that some airlines on the continent would be happy to have British competition stymied. But the interests of such carriers are far less important than the those of the wider tourist industry. British tourists make up easily the highest proportion of visitors to Spain and Ireland and the second highest to France (after Germans). In other words, millions of EU27 jobs depend on vacationing Brits. It will be a brave minister who would jeopardise that by making travel between Britain and the EU27 more difficult. And then there is Heathrow. The continent’s busiest airport is the gateway for many Europeans travelling to long-haul destinations: a loss of air connectivity would not only be a problem for British business.
http://www.economist.com/blogs/gulliver/2017/03/leaving-sans-some-jet-planes?fsrc=scn/tw/te/bl/ed/0
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