I did read War and Peace many years ago. In spite of its length I recall it being an easy read, thanks to strong narrative, so you always want to know what happens next. Tolstoy clearly loved his characters who are mostly very believable and human. His philosophy can be very random however.
Nice to chat about literature on this day of grim murder.
He was on TV at least one hour if not more before. I don't think you would be writing this unless his name was Khan.
Boris would have been much more pro-active
Is there a gold medal for these ? This is pathetic.
Do not be ridiculous - Khan is mayor and is virtually invisible - Boris would have been fronting the media as expected by everyone
What is your accusation exactly? Do you think Khan is sitting at home with his feet up playing fruit ninja? He is likely very busy behind the scenes, just like May. Him and Theresa have both released one statement each so far.
He has released a statement, he will release further in due course. What do you want him to say now, that hasn't already been said?
I have been watching Sky virtually since the first news of the attack and he has not featured at all as far as I am aware
Yeah he has. Not a lot, but he has definitely been quoted, and his video statement was shown. I don't know what all the fuss is about.
First C4 cock-up and now the I changing their digital front-page which was too much for some - having seen the full photo, I'm not surprised... poor judgement again.
First C4 cock-up and now the I changing their digital front-page which was too much for some - having seen the full photo, I'm not surprised... poor judgement again.
First C4 cock-up and now the I changing their digital front-page which was too much for some - having seen the full photo, I'm not surprised... poor judgement again.
The attack is barely noticeable on the C4 News website!
The "Victorian stuff" I do love is Wilkie Collins. He scandalised society at the time. I suspect he would have been quite a soul-mate with our own SeanT.
He invented the form which makes SeanT's dosh. The Woman in White and The Moonstone are absolutely top-notch. Also, I have a soft spot for Armadale, which has a completely ridiculous and complicated plot, but which is redeemed by the superb long central section which is very simple: the evil but beautiful Miss Gwilt trying to trap the innocent Allan Armadale into marriage.
First C4 cock-up and now the I changing their digital front-page which was too much for some - having seen the full photo, I'm not surprised... poor judgement again.
The attack is barely noticeable on the C4 News website!
They are redoing it currently. New front page is still to be released.
I find a lot of Victorian novels almost impossible to finish - there is just something about the prose style of Dickens, Hardy, Trollope etc. that I don't enjoy.
I do, however, love a good adaptation - whether it is for radio, stage or screen.
French and Russian literature from the same period, on the other hand, is something I can enjoy (as long as it is in a good translation)
No rhyme or reason for this - other than, perhaps, being forced through Far from the Madding Crowd for O Level. I gave up on that after chapter 23 and relied on the York Notes. Didn't stop me getting an A!!
I agree about the Victorian stuff. I had an English teacher who loved Dickens and Hardy. I came the loathe The Trumpet Major which was inflicted on me for O-Level.
The "Victorian stuff" I do love is Wilkie Collins. He scandalised society at the time. I suspect he would have been quite a soul-mate with our own SeanT.
I cannot say that I have heard of him. Maybe he is SeanT?
First C4 cock-up and now the I changing their digital front-page which was too much for some - having seen the full photo, I'm not surprised... poor judgement again.
What was the problem with their front page?
If you've seen the Reuters photos which are horrific, they had one of the victims on the bridge zoomed in to just showing his one leg and distinctive black shoe along with a pool of blood. I
The first round in the French presidential whittles the candidates down to two in an open vote. It does for the whole spectrum what the party primaries did for parts of it.
To an extent, but if you think that Macron's odds are too short (as you imply), you have to offer a credible scenario by which he loses, commensurate with the odds you think would be fair. Where and why are the votes going to go somewhere else?
If Fillon gets walloped by scandal - so far he has been fairly resilient but his troubles are mounting - then some of his poll score could go to Dupont-Aignan, who would then be a phenomenon and who is already almost on the brink of becoming such. (Le Figaro.)
If Macron then screws up or is outplayed in one or both of the TV debates, he might not get into the second round. Le Pen tried to own the first debate using a Netanyahu-style graph stunt which wasn't too successful, but that doesn't mean it won't be next time. We might get a bunch-up for almost equal-second place. If Macron does make it to the second round I wouldn't fancy his chances in the interround debate: he might rise to the occasion, but he could also be even more nervous than he was last time and crash out.
I have started to read Dupont-Aignan's book about his first 100 days as president (!). His brand image is very much as "Mr Clean".
And whereas the fact the Le Pen is a woman and the other leading candidates are men hasn't been relevant for most people, I am not sure that it isn't much more relevant when viewed from Moscow.
Fair odds for Macron? 2.2 maybe?
PS Note to Le Pen: use bigger type, thicker lines, and a bigger piece of card.
How much are you offering at 2.2 ?
If I wanted to sell Macron I'd do it at Betfair at 1.55. The only friendly bet I've had on the election is for €20 with a French pal, on NDA scoring more than double his 2012 score of 1.8%.
I hope his putter survived, unless he lost his drive. Golf is the antithesis of sex - in golf you want to get your balls in the hole with the minimum number of strokes. Sex - not so much. I do hope he had a carbon fiber shaft for flexibility.
Oh he survived fine, the b*****d. He tossed us all out, sold the house and she did something similar with her husband and they took the money and sodded off to the US. I never saw him again.
Oh dear - I hope he's not in the southeast - I would not want to run across him.
He was actually. Florida. He is dead now so if you do run across him then the Zombie Apocalypse has started
First C4 cock-up and now the I changing their digital front-page which was too much for some - having seen the full photo, I'm not surprised... poor judgement again.
What was the problem with their front page?
If you've seen the Reuters photos which are horrific, they had one of the victims on the bridge zoomed in to just showing his one leg and distinctive black shoe along with a pool of blood. I
I don't see the problem with that evocative photo myself.
I wonder if the Tynwald will decide to be magnanimous and let that pass under the circumstances.
Channel 4 news, what a bunch of muppets.
"In 1979, the Manx people celebrated the millennium of their parliament, although there is no evidence that suggests such an assembly was held in 979, or that any such event resembled the modern-day court.[5] In fact, the first record of the place-name occurs in the mid 13th century Chronicle of Mann, and the first description of the role and composition of an assembly held on-site occurs in the early 15th century.[6]"
Interesting that Tynwald is derived from Norse rather than Manx and means "meeting place" as distinct from Parliament (talking shop) or Senate (old folks' home).
First C4 cock-up and now the I changing their digital front-page which was too much for some - having seen the full photo, I'm not surprised... poor judgement again.
What was the problem with their front page?
If you've seen the Reuters photos which are horrific, they had one of the victims on the bridge zoomed in to just showing his one leg and distinctive black shoe along with a pool of blood. I
I don't see the problem with that evocative photo myself.
It's certainly powerful but like the former i editor was saying he'd use the photo of ellwood and the emergency services trying to say the policeman.
I find a lot of Victorian novels almost impossible to finish - there is just something about the prose style of Dickens, Hardy, Trollope etc. that I don't enjoy.
I do, however, love a good adaptation - whether it is for radio, stage or screen.
French and Russian literature from the same period, on the other hand, is something I can enjoy (as long as it is in a good translation)
No rhyme or reason for this - other than, perhaps, being forced through Far from the Madding Crowd for O Level. I gave up on that after chapter 23 and relied on the York Notes. Didn't stop me getting an A!!
I agree about the Victorian stuff. I had an English teacher who loved Dickens and Hardy. I came the loathe The Trumpet Major which was inflicted on me for O-Level.
The "Victorian stuff" I do love is Wilkie Collins. He scandalised society at the time. I suspect he would have been quite a soul-mate with our own SeanT.
I cannot say that I have heard of him. Maybe he is SeanT?
I find a lot of Victorian novels almost impossible to finish - there is just something about the prose style of Dickens, Hardy, Trollope etc. that I don't enjoy.
I do, however, love a good adaptation - whether it is for radio, stage or screen.
French and Russian literature from the same period, on the other hand, is something I can enjoy (as long as it is in a good translation)
No rhyme or reason for this - other than, perhaps, being forced through Far from the Madding Crowd for O Level. I gave up on that after chapter 23 and relied on the York Notes. Didn't stop me getting an A!!
I agree about the Victorian stuff. I had an English teacher who loved Dickens and Hardy. I came the loathe The Trumpet Major which was inflicted on me for O-Level.
Add an S at the start of the second word, and it would be a totally different story...
Iain Duncan Smith saying the police officer killed was female.
SKY just said the officer was male.
IDS just was trying to make some news. Looks like there is a competition going on. Who can say what and fast !
That is unfair. I suspect IDS just mixed up 2 news reports - one about a female victim and the second about a police death. Given that they didn't have full media access during their lockdown, a certain amount of confusion can be forgiven.
I find a lot of Victorian novels almost impossible to finish - there is just something about the prose style of Dickens, Hardy, Trollope etc. that I don't enjoy.
I do, however, love a good adaptation - whether it is for radio, stage or screen.
French and Russian literature from the same period, on the other hand, is something I can enjoy (as long as it is in a good translation)
No rhyme or reason for this - other than, perhaps, being forced through Far from the Madding Crowd for O Level. I gave up on that after chapter 23 and relied on the York Notes. Didn't stop me getting an A!!
I agree about the Victorian stuff. I had an English teacher who loved Dickens and Hardy. I came the loathe The Trumpet Major which was inflicted on me for O-Level.
The "Victorian stuff" I do love is Wilkie Collins. He scandalised society at the time. I suspect he would have been quite a soul-mate with our own SeanT.
I cannot say that I have heard of him. Maybe he is SeanT?
He was on TV at least one hour if not more before. I don't think you would be writing this unless his name was Khan.
Boris would have been much more pro-active
Is there a gold medal for these ? This is pathetic.
Do not be ridiculous - Khan is mayor and is virtually invisible - Boris would have been fronting the media as expected by everyone
What is your accusation exactly? Do you think Khan is sitting at home with his feet up playing fruit ninja? He is likely very busy behind the scenes, just like May. Him and Theresa have both released one statement each so far.
He has released a statement, he will release further in due course. What do you want him to say now, that hasn't already been said?
I have been watching Sky virtually since the first news of the attack and he has not featured at all as far as I am aware
Yeah he has. Not a lot, but he has definitely been quoted, and his video statement was shown. I don't know what all the fuss is about.
In these circumstances I assume the security services' greatest fear is grandstanding politicos muscling in where they don't belong. A decent reticence by both Khan and May has been noted and greatly appreciated.
Many of the initial reports said the attacker was Asian and a lot of twitter comments were based around that. Shows, once again, that it's always best to wait.
The "Victorian stuff" I do love is Wilkie Collins. He scandalised society at the time. I suspect he would have been quite a soul-mate with our own SeanT.
He invented the form which makes SeanT's dosh. The Woman in White and The Moonstone are absolutely top-notch. Also, I have a soft spot for Armadale, which has a completely ridiculous and complicated plot, but which is redeemed by the superb long central section which is very simple: the evil but beautiful Miss Gwilt trying to trap the innocent Allan Armadale into marriage.
I'd probably give the credit to James Hogg's Confessions of a Justified Sinner, which is the earliest psychological/supernatural thriller I can think of (published in 1816). It's a remarkably modern story.
I wonder if the Tynwald will decide to be magnanimous and let that pass under the circumstances.
Channel 4 news, what a bunch of muppets.
"In 1979, the Manx people celebrated the millennium of their parliament, although there is no evidence that suggests such an assembly was held in 979, or that any such event resembled the modern-day court.[5] In fact, the first record of the place-name occurs in the mid 13th century Chronicle of Mann, and the first description of the role and composition of an assembly held on-site occurs in the early 15th century.[6]"
I wonder if the Tynwald will decide to be magnanimous and let that pass under the circumstances.
Channel 4 news, what a bunch of muppets.
"In 1979, the Manx people celebrated the millennium of their parliament, although there is no evidence that suggests such an assembly was held in 979, or that any such event resembled the modern-day court.[5] In fact, the first record of the place-name occurs in the mid 13th century Chronicle of Mann, and the first description of the role and composition of an assembly held on-site occurs in the early 15th century.[6]"
That is so disgusting. It illustrates the frothing-at-the-mouth extent to which "London" and "Westminster" are such bad words for some SNPers.
Funny, the Express missed out the LibDem Mike Rumbles telling beeb scotland that it was a mistake to suspend the sitting.
To be fair, those who did not want the suspension was of the opinion that such an act would mean bowing to terrorism. You can always read these acts in two ways.
I find a lot of Victorian novels almost impossible to finish - there is just something about the prose style of Dickens, Hardy, Trollope etc. that I don't enjoy.
I do, however, love a good adaptation - whether it is for radio, stage or screen.
French and Russian literature from the same period, on the other hand, is something I can enjoy (as long as it is in a good translation)
No rhyme or reason for this - other than, perhaps, being forced through Far from the Madding Crowd for O Level. I gave up on that after chapter 23 and relied on the York Notes. Didn't stop me getting an A!!
I agree about the Victorian stuff. I had an English teacher who loved Dickens and Hardy. I came the loathe The Trumpet Major which was inflicted on me for O-Level.
The "Victorian stuff" I do love is Wilkie Collins. He scandalised society at the time. I suspect he would have been quite a soul-mate with our own SeanT.
I cannot say that I have heard of him. Maybe he is SeanT?
The Moonstone was arguably the first detective story. Also unusual in having three main narrators who pass the baton.
I thought Shogun was way too long. I much preferred Noble House.
The love story was far better in Shogun.
It was so long I just didn't care in the end.
Noble House's sense of time and place was superb: colonial Hong Kong before it got safe, clean and air conditioned; the cold war; and the unbridgeable divide between the westerners and the Chinese. Great stuff.
The "Victorian stuff" I do love is Wilkie Collins. He scandalised society at the time. I suspect he would have been quite a soul-mate with our own SeanT.
He invented the form which makes SeanT's dosh. The Woman in White and The Moonstone are absolutely top-notch. Also, I have a soft spot for Armadale, which has a completely ridiculous and complicated plot, but which is redeemed by the superb long central section which is very simple: the evil but beautiful Miss Gwilt trying to trap the innocent Allan Armadale into marriage.
I retead the Woman in White quite recently. It's amazing how modern it feels. Definitely not strait-laced Victorian. Agree on the Moonstone, too; a brilliant read.
I thought Shogun was way too long. I much preferred Noble House.
The love story was far better in Shogun.
It was so long I just didn't care in the end.
Noble House's sense of time and place was superb: colonial Hong Kong before it got safe, clean and air conditioned; the cold war; and the unbridgeable divide between the westerners and the Chinese. Great stuff.
Yes. Most of the plot lines were good, but Casey and Linc and Ian did not quite work and Quillan Gornt was an unmitigated ass.
Moving on from there Gai-Jin was soporific. A great book for sleepless nights. As an insominia cure it has no equal.
I find a lot of Victorian novels almost impossible to finish - there is just something about the prose style of Dickens, Hardy, Trollope etc. that I don't enjoy.
I do, however, love a good adaptation - whether it is for radio, stage or screen.
French and Russian literature from the same period, on the other hand, is something I can enjoy (as long as it is in a good translation)
No rhyme or reason for this - other than, perhaps, being forced through Far from the Madding Crowd for O Level. I gave up on that after chapter 23 and relied on the York Notes. Didn't stop me getting an A!!
I agree about the Victorian stuff. I had an English teacher who loved Dickens and Hardy. I came the loathe The Trumpet Major which was inflicted on me for O-Level.
The "Victorian stuff" I do love is Wilkie Collins. He scandalised society at the time. I suspect he would have been quite a soul-mate with our own SeanT.
I cannot say that I have heard of him. Maybe he is SeanT?
The Moonstone was arguably the first detective story. Also unusual in having three main narrators who pass the baton.
So Britain, get your head around this. The police officer killed, whilst policing around a high value location was reportedly unarmed.
Twenty armed officers around that unarmed officer. The question is whether that one unarmed officer thought that today would be the day that the attack came. And what he or she was trained to think.
That is so disgusting. It illustrates the frothing-at-the-mouth extent to which "London" and "Westminster" are such bad words for some SNPers.
Funny, the Express missed out the LibDem Mike Rumbles telling beeb scotland that it was a mistake to suspend the sitting.
There is a difference between describing things as a mistake and going off on a rant.
There's a difference between swallowing hook, line & sinker an Express description of an event & trying to work out the actualité, but each to their own.
I find a lot of Victorian novels almost impossible to finish - there is just something about the prose style of Dickens, Hardy, Trollope etc. that I don't enjoy.
I do, however, love a good adaptation - whether it is for radio, stage or screen.
French and Russian literature from the same period, on the other hand, is something I can enjoy (as long as it is in a good translation)
No rhyme or reason for this - other than, perhaps, being forced through Far from the Madding Crowd for O Level. I gave up on that after chapter 23 and relied on the York Notes. Didn't stop me getting an A!!
I agree about the Victorian stuff. I had an English teacher who loved Dickens and Hardy. I came the loathe The Trumpet Major which was inflicted on me for O-Level.
The "Victorian stuff" I do love is Wilkie Collins. He scandalised society at the time. I suspect he would have been quite a soul-mate with our own SeanT.
I cannot say that I have heard of him. Maybe he is SeanT?
The Moonstone was arguably the first detective story. Also unusual in having three main narrators who pass the baton.
And then there's Armadale....
I will see if it has a kindle version. Thank you
Given how far out of copyright it is, there should be plenty of options!
That is so disgusting. It illustrates the frothing-at-the-mouth extent to which "London" and "Westminster" are such bad words for some SNPers.
Funny, the Express missed out the LibDem Mike Rumbles telling beeb scotland that it was a mistake to suspend the sitting.
There is a difference between describing things as a mistake and going off on a rant.
There's a difference between swallowing hook, line & sinker an Express description of an event & trying to work out the actualité, but each to their own.
And your mistake is to assume that I actually relied on the Express report - rather than looking at a range of sources over the course of this afternoon and evening to gain an overall picture of what happened.
That is so disgusting. It illustrates the frothing-at-the-mouth extent to which "London" and "Westminster" are such bad words for some SNPers.
Funny, the Express missed out the LibDem Mike Rumbles telling beeb scotland that it was a mistake to suspend the sitting.
There is a difference between describing things as a mistake and going off on a rant.
There's a difference between swallowing hook, line & sinker an Express description of an event & trying to work out the actualité, but each to their own.
And your mistake is to assume that I actually relied on the Express report - rather than looking at a range of sources over the course of this afternoon and evening to gain an overall picture of what happened.
'looking at a range of sources over the course of this afternoon and evening to gain an overall picture of what happened.'
That is so disgusting. It illustrates the frothing-at-the-mouth extent to which "London" and "Westminster" are such bad words for some SNPers.
Funny, the Express missed out the LibDem Mike Rumbles telling beeb scotland that it was a mistake to suspend the sitting.
There is a difference between describing things as a mistake and going off on a rant.
There's a difference between swallowing hook, line & sinker an Express description of an event & trying to work out the actualité, but each to their own.
And your mistake is to assume that I actually relied on the Express report - rather than looking at a range of sources over the course of this afternoon and evening to gain an overall picture of what happened.
'looking at a range of sources over the course of this afternoon and evening to gain an overall picture of what happened.'
Quarter of English state primary schools are 'ethnically segregated'
Segregation levels have fallen in schools in Bradford in West Yorkshire and Oldham in Lancashire, but the report says the problem is increasing in Blackburn in Lancashire, Kirklees in West Yorkshire, the London borough of Barnet and Peterborough in Cambridgeshire.
Quarter of English state primary schools are 'ethnically segregated'
Segregation levels have fallen in schools in Bradford in West Yorkshire and Oldham in Lancashire, but the report says the problem is increasing in Blackburn in Lancashire, Kirklees in West Yorkshire, the London borough of Barnet and Peterborough in Cambridgeshire.
For by-election selections, postals are not used because of the short timetable. Proxy yes, but being Gorton, they didn't allow them.
We don't see how many lines there are at the back outside the picture frame. And if some stayed outside and entered just to vote....because I suppose many already decided who to vote regardless of speeches.
Quarter of English state primary schools are 'ethnically segregated'
Segregation levels have fallen in schools in Bradford in West Yorkshire and Oldham in Lancashire, but the report says the problem is increasing in Blackburn in Lancashire, Kirklees in West Yorkshire, the London borough of Barnet and Peterborough in Cambridgeshire.
Not just schools but whole area's of our cities/towns,I said this before that I can see my city heading like belfast in segregation.
But we have seen that for as long as people can remember. Communities have always grown up in particular parts of our towns and cities. People move to be near their families/friends and so this 'segregation' grows naturally.
What we cannot permit is for this to lead to no-go areas for our public services. The police and social services (to name but two) have to have equal access to all of these communities and for their services to be respected.
We cannot permit is for 'community relations' to be a reason for not upholding the rule of law or the basic standards of human decency.
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That tweet was a wind up though from @Giroudesquee, to see who would fall for it
Nice to chat about literature on this day of grim murder.
She was clearly both nervous and emotional in its delivery. Understandably so.
Too many games, too many friendlies, too many countries.
It should purely be an end of season/summer sport and they should cut to the chase.
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/3154494/westminster-correspondent-harry-cole-relives-harrowing-moment-he-watched-tory-mp-tobias-ellwood-bravely-try-to-save-stabbed-cops-life-in-parliament-terror-attack/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Woman_in_White_(novel)
our aircraft carriers are the same
Not so much terrorist as tosserist.
And then there's Armadale....
Noble House's sense of time and place was superb: colonial Hong Kong before it got safe, clean and air conditioned; the cold war; and the unbridgeable divide between the westerners and the Chinese. Great stuff.
Moving on from there Gai-Jin was soporific. A great book for sleepless nights. As an insominia cure it has no equal.
BBC website has footage of car on the bridge and woman falling into river.
Lol.
Haud back on the pompous pills, chief.
I think that's bullshit and make Her Maj right btw
https://twitter.com/dailymailuk/status/844668155846955009
Night all
Counting is underway by around an hour
Do we let every sexually repressed stroker get in the way of what we want to do?
Religion breeds them.
Segregation levels have fallen in schools in Bradford in West Yorkshire and Oldham in Lancashire, but the report says the problem is increasing in Blackburn in Lancashire, Kirklees in West Yorkshire, the London borough of Barnet and Peterborough in Cambridgeshire.
https://www.theguardian.com/education/2017/mar/22/english-state-primary-schools-ethnically-segregated-white-british-children
As I say I make her right
http://pbs.twimg.com/media/C7jKUQSXgAMjKSD.jpg:large
We don't see how many lines there are at the back outside the picture frame. And if some stayed outside and entered just to vote....because I suppose many already decided who to vote regardless of speeches.
Can't make it more clear than that.
What we cannot permit is for this to lead to no-go areas for our public services. The police and social services (to name but two) have to have equal access to all of these communities and for their services to be respected.
We cannot permit is for 'community relations' to be a reason for not upholding the rule of law or the basic standards of human decency.