Why did my post get taken down while all the others "naming" the attacker remain?
Because you speculated about some being involved with today's incident without any evidence, whereas all the other person has been named by a reputable news organisation.
Already today @Plato did what you did which could have cost Mike a lot of money in the courts.
I hope it wasn't the person being named in various places, because he should have been under surveillance.
And how do you think that surveillance would have stopped someone getting into their own car and going for a drive? How could it have worked out his intentions on this particular occasion?
Unless someone is under house arrest, they will be allowed a certain amount of freedom of movement around their home city.
How do you propose we see into their minds?
He didn't stab the police officers with his car.
Do you seriously think that surveillance would have identified a man carrying a concealed knife when he left his house?
Mr. JS, vielleicht. Surveillance is very costly. Frankly, no country in Western Europe has the manpower to put everyone they might want to under surveillance.
I fail to see how this will 'land May in the brown stuff'. I agree with Mr. Malmesbury.
Why did my post get taken down while all the others "naming" the attacker remain?
Because you speculated about some being involved with today's incident without any evidence, whereas all the other person has been named by a reputable news organisation.
Already today @Plato did what you did which could have cost Mike a lot of money in the courts.
I'm sorry, but that's ridiculous. Isam hasn't name names, others on here are naming people off the back of Twitter speculation.
Mr. JS, vielleicht. Surveillance is very costly. Frankly, no country in Western Europe has the manpower to put everyone they might want to under surveillance.
I fail to see how this will 'land May in the brown stuff'. I agree with Mr. Malmesbury.
Agreed - it would take something very very significant to do that, and the impossibility of monitoring everyone we'd like to the point they can be followed and neutralised at all times, would need more than that.
Why did my post get taken down while all the others "naming" the attacker remain?
Because you speculated about some being involved with today's incident without any evidence, whereas all the other person has been named by a reputable news organisation.
Already today @Plato did what you did which could have cost Mike a lot of money in the courts.
So what about all the other comments from other people specifically naming the killer by name? They are still here!
As far as I am aware the man they are naming hasn't been unveiled as the guilty party.. if it isn't him, Mike could need to back a few Lib Dems at 50/1 in By Elections
I just posted something that named no names and that has been deleted. How ridiculous!
Why did my post get taken down while all the others "naming" the attacker remain?
Because you speculated about some being involved with today's incident without any evidence, whereas all the other person has been named by a reputable news organisation.
Already today @Plato did what you did which could have cost Mike a lot of money in the courts.
I'm sorry, but that's ridiculous. Isam hasn't name names, others on here are naming people off the back of Twitter speculation.
Why did my post get taken down while all the others "naming" the attacker remain?
Because you speculated about some being involved with today's incident without any evidence, whereas all the other person has been named by a reputable news organisation.
Already today @Plato did what you did which could have cost Mike a lot of money in the courts.
So what about all the other comments from other people specifically naming the killer by name? They are still here!
As far as I am aware the man they are naming hasn't been unveiled as the guilty party
I just posted something that named no names and that has been deleted. How ridiculous!
1) As noted below the name for Trevor Brooks came from a reputable news source which was posted downthread.
2) You don't need to name names for a comment to be legally problematic.
Well there was apparently one black man and one white man involved according to earlier reports. When Amber Rudd describes the situation as "ongoing", what does that mean?
There will be the wild gnashing of teeth, tough talk will gush from the lips of politicians of all colours, there will be umpteen inquiries - and precisely nothing will change.
There will be the wild gnashing of teeth, tough talk will gush from the lips of politicians of all colours, there will be umpteen inquiries - and precisely nothing will change.
Channel 4 now - Simon Israel just named Brooks as the suspect. Mentioned he was detained in Hungary in 2015. Left out reference to court case mentioned by Mirror.
Many of the initial reports said the attacker was Asian and a lot of twitter comments were based around that. Shows, once again, that it's always best to wait.
This may explain why we haven't heard from the PM. They know they're in the brown stuff.
Utter rubbish.
You make a fair point about what the security services can actually do, but it won't stop awkward questions being asked.
Awkward questions may have to be asked. Sadly, the leader of the opposition is in no position to ask them.
Pertinent questions need to be asked. Point-scoring ones need to remain unasked.
May was Home Secretary for six years, and may have had some responsibility for issues leading to this attack. A good, competent opposition would be able to press her on any relevant points.
Corbyn isn't the man to do it: there's too much mud that can be thrown back in his direction. That's bad for getting to the truth; worse for ensuring any mistakes that may have been made are learnt from.
Utterly off-topic aside: just discovered that Graves nicked the 'drills were bloodless battles and battles were bloody drills' line (spoken in I, Claudius by Drusus to Tiberius, describing how the army saw the latter as a commander) from Josephus.
Basically, lock up everyone linked to Hamza, Choudhary, etc
Lock them up forever. In some kind of Guantanamo.
I'm all for actually convicting people of things rather than the Guantanamo approach, but it has to be said its amazing how long that can take sometimes given how dangerous some of them are later said to be.
Many of the initial reports said the attacker was Asian and a lot of twitter comments were based around that. Shows, once again, that it's always best to wait.
Another angle is whether May will let Amber Rudd get on with the job over the next few weeks or whether she'll try to micro-manage and pull decisions in to Number 10.
Channel 4 now - Simon Israel just named Brooks as the suspect. Mentioned he was detained in Hungary in 2015. Left out reference to court case mentioned by Mirror.
With a two year sentence you'd be out after a year (esp if you did time remanded).
So it makes sense he could be free, now, and as soon as he got free - he went postal.
Doesn't excuse the fact he slipped through the surveillance net.
I am not sure being under surveillance could stop such an attack, especially if it was a so-called lone wolf attack.
On a positive front the piece of shit is dead. No loss whatsoever and the idea that a sad loser like this has any intelligence, frankly of any kind, is highly optimistic. Of course we need to investigate whether there are other similar losers that he was in contact with who might be similarly deluded but there was nothing sophisticated or even planned about this. I'm glad he's dead. I seriously hope it hurt, a lot.
Another angle is whether May will let Amber Rudd get on with the job over the next few weeks or whether she'll try to micro-manage and pull decisions in to Number 10.
Channel 4 now - Simon Israel just named Brooks as the suspect. Mentioned he was detained in Hungary in 2015. Left out reference to court case mentioned by Mirror.
With a two year sentence you'd be out after a year (esp if you did time remanded).
So it makes sense he could be free, now, and as soon as he got free - he went postal.
Doesn't excuse the fact he slipped through the surveillance net.
I am not sure being under surveillance could stop such an attack, especially if it was a so-called lone wolf attack.
It would have to be extremely extensive and capable of knowing, when he got into a car, what he intended if they were to stop him at all, since he presumably drove sensibly until he got there.
We shall see what details emerge, but clearly if it is him there will be much criticism, but it may well be it was off such a low level, planning wise, it just couldn't be prevented.
Not entirely sure what can be done other than remember the victims and continue to go about our business with heightened vigilance and resolve. Eventually it will come to pass that such actions are seen for what they are. Utterly futile. N Ireland learned that lesson. Sadly we are not there yet.
Not entirely sure what can be done other than remember the victims and continue to go about our business with heightened vigilance and resolve. Eventually it will come to pass that such actions are seen for what they are. Utterly futile. N Ireland learned that lesson. Sadly we are not there yet.
You can't compare the IRA with Islamic terrorism. The Death Cult want us dead.
It's slightly reassuring that it's Brooks, in a bizarre way. He's been linked to terror and ISIS for many years. He's a bigwig in the bearded loony brigade.
We're definitely fortunate that most of our home-grown brigade seem to be thick as pigshit, and thus rather lacking in imagination when it comes to mass murder.
Awfully easy to dream up much more effective methods.
From once the authorities claim to be known locally as Dave Trev isn't far off...
Was he mentally ill?
Sky news expert just raised that possibility.
Also stated that UK has 3000 people that are listed as a danger and ideally should be under surveillance. Apparently France have 2000 and they only actually have 40 under round the clock watch.
It's slightly reassuring that it's Brooks, in a bizarre way. He's been linked to terror and ISIS for many years. He's a bigwig in the bearded loony brigade.
We're definitely fortunate that most of our home-grown brigade seem to be thick as pigshit, and thus rather lacking in imagination when it comes to mass murder.
Awfully easy to dream up much more effective methods.
Their fixation with London helps the security forces, plus all the hard security furniture. You drive a car down Loughborough Marketplace on a Thursday and you'd run out of petrol before enough tooled up coppers could be scrounged up. It's a scary thought, but nothing we can do about it really.
It's slightly reassuring that it's Brooks, in a bizarre way. He's been linked to terror and ISIS for many years. He's a bigwig in the bearded loony brigade.
We're definitely fortunate that most of our home-grown brigade seem to be thick as pigshit, and thus rather lacking in imagination when it comes to mass murder.
Awfully easy to dream up much more effective methods.
Their fixation with London helps the security forces, plus all the hard security furniture. You drive a car down Loughborough Marketplace on a Thursday and you'd run out of petrol before enough tooled up coppers could be scrounged up. It's a scary thought, but nothing we can do about it really.
ex policeman on Sky admitted only London could respond as promptly with armed officers.
From once the authorities claim to be known locally as Dave Trev isn't far off...
Was he mentally ill?
Sky news expert just raised that possibility.
Also stated that UK has 3000 people that are listed as a danger and ideally should be under surveillance. Apparently France have 2000 and they only actually have 40 under round the clock watch.
From once the authorities claim to be known locally as Dave Trev isn't far off...
Was he mentally ill?
Surely anyone who believes that committing this sort of terrorist act is acceptable is operating under a severe delusion. Severe enough to be considered mentally ill.
Not entirely sure what can be done other than remember the victims and continue to go about our business with heightened vigilance and resolve. Eventually it will come to pass that such actions are seen for what they are. Utterly futile. N Ireland learned that lesson. Sadly we are not there yet.
You can't compare the IRA with Islamic terrorism. The Death Cult want us dead.
So what can be done then? Death cults end when their adherents are dead, and any potential recruits see it as pointless. ISIS is on its last legs in Syria and Iraq.
It's slightly reassuring that it's Brooks, in a bizarre way. He's been linked to terror and ISIS for many years. He's a bigwig in the bearded loony brigade.
We're definitely fortunate that most of our home-grown brigade seem to be thick as pigshit, and thus rather lacking in imagination when it comes to mass murder.
Awfully easy to dream up much more effective methods.
Their fixation with London helps the security forces, plus all the hard security furniture. You drive a car down Loughborough Marketplace on a Thursday and you'd run out of petrol before enough tooled up coppers could be scrounged up. It's a scary thought, but nothing we can do about it really.
ex policeman on Sky admitted only London could respond as promptly with armed officers.
Not entirely sure what can be done other than remember the victims and continue to go about our business with heightened vigilance and resolve. Eventually it will come to pass that such actions are seen for what they are. Utterly futile. N Ireland learned that lesson. Sadly we are not there yet.
You can't compare the IRA with Islamic terrorism. The Death Cult want us dead.
So what can be done then? Death cults end when their adherents are dead, and any potential recruits see it as pointless. ISIS is on its last legs in Syria and Iraq.
Yeah, but it'll pop up elsewhere, and that doesn't stop our own homegrown crazies. This won't be resolved anytime soon.
Andrew NeilVerified account @afneil 11m11 minutes ago More Well, how does Channel 4 News square this: Trevor Brooks aka Abu Izzadeen's solicitor says he's still in jail!!
Not entirely sure what can be done other than remember the victims and continue to go about our business with heightened vigilance and resolve. Eventually it will come to pass that such actions are seen for what they are. Utterly futile. N Ireland learned that lesson. Sadly we are not there yet.
You can't compare the IRA with Islamic terrorism. The Death Cult want us dead.
So what can be done then? Death cults end when their adherents are dead, and any potential recruits see it as pointless. ISIS is on its last legs in Syria and Iraq.
ISIS is not the be all and end of of Islamic terrorism.
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Already today @Plato did what you did which could have cost Mike a lot of money in the courts.
I fail to see how this will 'land May in the brown stuff'. I agree with Mr. Malmesbury.
Brooks is Choudary's mate. Been interviewed on tv numerous times.
https://twitter.com/GaspardWinckler/status/844619788651499520
As far as I am aware the man they are naming hasn't been unveiled as the guilty party.. if it isn't him, Mike could need to back a few Lib Dems at 50/1 in By Elections
I just posted something that named no names and that has been deleted. How ridiculous!
This will be considered a running incident for now.
The pure loner idea cannot be concluded on for days yet so you have little choice.
2) You don't need to name names for a comment to be legally problematic.
Its not complete loner job.
Corbyn isn't the man to do it: there's too much mud that can be thrown back in his direction. That's bad for getting to the truth; worse for ensuring any mistakes that may have been made are learnt from.
But it's still far too early to say either way.
I fail to see how any of our security services could have read the attackers mind as he set out with a (presumably concealed) knife in his car today.
Loner, previously largely blowhard with interestingly changed circumstance
Non loner in some shape or form.
Who is he currently connected to?
Was he under surveillance?
And all those that follow.
Absolutely the right thing to do.
Not sure where this January 2016 jail sentence has come from?
So if the judge had given them a stiffer sentence, he would have still been inside.
DaveTrev isn't far off...http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/islamic-extremists-jailed-serious-deliberate-7142974
https://twitter.com/RymMomtaz/status/844628115074809856
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-35262460
We shall see what details emerge, but clearly if it is him there will be much criticism, but it may well be it was off such a low level, planning wise, it just couldn't be prevented.
Awfully easy to dream up much more effective methods.
Either C4 are right or they are wrong.
Right..................................
Also stated that UK has 3000 people that are listed as a danger and ideally should be under surveillance. Apparently France have 2000 and they only actually have 40 under round the clock watch.
How many at the height of the troubles?
But that is no excuse for their actions.
Andrew NeilVerified account @afneil 11m11 minutes ago
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Well, how does Channel 4 News square this: Trevor Brooks aka Abu Izzadeen's solicitor says he's still in jail!!