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    PBModeratorPBModerator Posts: 661
    isam said:

    Why did my post get taken down while all the others "naming" the attacker remain?

    Because you speculated about some being involved with today's incident without any evidence, whereas all the other person has been named by a reputable news organisation.

    Already today @Plato did what you did which could have cost Mike a lot of money in the courts.
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    oxfordsimonoxfordsimon Posts: 5,831
    edited March 2017

    AndyJS said:

    I hope it wasn't the person being named in various places, because he should have been under surveillance.

    And how do you think that surveillance would have stopped someone getting into their own car and going for a drive? How could it have worked out his intentions on this particular occasion?

    Unless someone is under house arrest, they will be allowed a certain amount of freedom of movement around their home city.

    How do you propose we see into their minds?
    He didn't stab the police officers with his car.
    Do you seriously think that surveillance would have identified a man carrying a concealed knife when he left his house?
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    Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,010
    Mr. JS, vielleicht. Surveillance is very costly. Frankly, no country in Western Europe has the manpower to put everyone they might want to under surveillance.

    I fail to see how this will 'land May in the brown stuff'. I agree with Mr. Malmesbury.
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    tlg86tlg86 Posts: 25,206

    tlg86 said:

    This may explain why we haven't heard from the PM. They know they're in the brown stuff.

    Utter rubbish.
    You make a fair point about what the security services can actually do, but it won't stop awkward questions being asked.
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    OUTOUT Posts: 569

    Trevor Brooks does seem to have quite a high profile.

    Quite a high profile is an understatement.
    Brooks is Choudary's mate. Been interviewed on tv numerous times.

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    tlg86tlg86 Posts: 25,206

    isam said:

    Why did my post get taken down while all the others "naming" the attacker remain?

    Because you speculated about some being involved with today's incident without any evidence, whereas all the other person has been named by a reputable news organisation.

    Already today @Plato did what you did which could have cost Mike a lot of money in the courts.
    I'm sorry, but that's ridiculous. Isam hasn't name names, others on here are naming people off the back of Twitter speculation.
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 92,048

    Mr. JS, vielleicht. Surveillance is very costly. Frankly, no country in Western Europe has the manpower to put everyone they might want to under surveillance.

    I fail to see how this will 'land May in the brown stuff'. I agree with Mr. Malmesbury.

    Agreed - it would take something very very significant to do that, and the impossibility of monitoring everyone we'd like to the point they can be followed and neutralised at all times, would need more than that.
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    isamisam Posts: 41,002
    edited March 2017

    isam said:

    Why did my post get taken down while all the others "naming" the attacker remain?

    Because you speculated about some being involved with today's incident without any evidence, whereas all the other person has been named by a reputable news organisation.

    Already today @Plato did what you did which could have cost Mike a lot of money in the courts.
    So what about all the other comments from other people specifically naming the killer by name? They are still here!

    As far as I am aware the man they are naming hasn't been unveiled as the guilty party.. if it isn't him, Mike could need to back a few Lib Dems at 50/1 in By Elections

    I just posted something that named no names and that has been deleted. How ridiculous!

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    Y0kelY0kel Posts: 2,307
    The PM is not out on the steps for a reason, because they close things up for a bit.

    This will be considered a running incident for now.

    The pure loner idea cannot be concluded on for days yet so you have little choice.
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 92,048
    Ok,that is darkly funny.
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    JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 39,075
    tlg86 said:

    tlg86 said:

    This may explain why we haven't heard from the PM. They know they're in the brown stuff.

    Utter rubbish.
    You make a fair point about what the security services can actually do, but it won't stop awkward questions being asked.
    Awkward questions may have to be asked. Sadly, the leader of the opposition is in no position to ask them.
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    oxfordsimonoxfordsimon Posts: 5,831

    tlg86 said:

    tlg86 said:

    This may explain why we haven't heard from the PM. They know they're in the brown stuff.

    Utter rubbish.
    You make a fair point about what the security services can actually do, but it won't stop awkward questions being asked.
    Awkward questions may have to be asked. Sadly, the leader of the opposition is in no position to ask them.
    Pertinent questions need to be asked. Point-scoring ones need to remain unasked.
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    AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    edited March 2017
    Channel 4 News just named the person being referred to elsewhere as being strongly suspected of having carried out the attack.
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    PlatoSaidPlatoSaid Posts: 10,383
    tlg86 said:

    isam said:

    Why did my post get taken down while all the others "naming" the attacker remain?

    Because you speculated about some being involved with today's incident without any evidence, whereas all the other person has been named by a reputable news organisation.

    Already today @Plato did what you did which could have cost Mike a lot of money in the courts.
    I'm sorry, but that's ridiculous. Isam hasn't name names, others on here are naming people off the back of Twitter speculation.
    I didn't name anyone either.
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    PBModeratorPBModerator Posts: 661
    isam said:

    isam said:

    Why did my post get taken down while all the others "naming" the attacker remain?

    Because you speculated about some being involved with today's incident without any evidence, whereas all the other person has been named by a reputable news organisation.

    Already today @Plato did what you did which could have cost Mike a lot of money in the courts.
    So what about all the other comments from other people specifically naming the killer by name? They are still here!

    As far as I am aware the man they are naming hasn't been unveiled as the guilty party

    I just posted something that named no names and that has been deleted. How ridiculous!

    1) As noted below the name for Trevor Brooks came from a reputable news source which was posted downthread.

    2) You don't need to name names for a comment to be legally problematic.
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    isamisam Posts: 41,002
    Well there was apparently one black man and one white man involved according to earlier reports. When Amber Rudd describes the situation as "ongoing", what does that mean?
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    JasonJason Posts: 1,614
    There will be the wild gnashing of teeth, tough talk will gush from the lips of politicians of all colours, there will be umpteen inquiries - and precisely nothing will change.
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    PlatoSaidPlatoSaid Posts: 10,383
    Anyone got Sadiq's statement?
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    Y0kelY0kel Posts: 2,307
    A talker becomes a doer? Curious.

    Its not complete loner job.
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    OUTOUT Posts: 569
    SeanT said:

    If it was Trevor Brooks it does pose dangerous questions for certain politicians

    SeanT said:

    If it was Trevor Brooks it does pose dangerous questions for certain politicians

    Big time.
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 92,048
    Jason said:

    There will be the wild gnashing of teeth, tough talk will gush from the lips of politicians of all colours, there will be umpteen inquiries - and precisely nothing will change.

    Yes, probably, unfortunately.
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    SeanT said:

    If it was Trevor Brooks it does pose dangerous questions for certain politicians

    There is a lot of information about him online.
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    AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 23,763
    Y0kel said:

    A talker becomes a doer? Curious.

    Its not complete loner job.

    what do you make of Marty's departure ?
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    isamisam Posts: 41,002
    Y0kel said:

    A talker becomes a doer? Curious.

    Its not complete loner job.

    Careful Yokel...
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    dr_spyndr_spyn Posts: 11,291
    Channel 4 now - Simon Israel just named Brooks as the suspect. Mentioned he was detained in Hungary in 2015. Left out reference to court case mentioned by Mirror.
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    SouthamObserverSouthamObserver Posts: 38,977
    SeanT said:
    Many of the initial reports said the attacker was Asian and a lot of twitter comments were based around that. Shows, once again, that it's always best to wait.

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    JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 39,075

    tlg86 said:

    tlg86 said:

    This may explain why we haven't heard from the PM. They know they're in the brown stuff.

    Utter rubbish.
    You make a fair point about what the security services can actually do, but it won't stop awkward questions being asked.
    Awkward questions may have to be asked. Sadly, the leader of the opposition is in no position to ask them.
    Pertinent questions need to be asked. Point-scoring ones need to remain unasked.
    May was Home Secretary for six years, and may have had some responsibility for issues leading to this attack. A good, competent opposition would be able to press her on any relevant points.

    Corbyn isn't the man to do it: there's too much mud that can be thrown back in his direction. That's bad for getting to the truth; worse for ensuring any mistakes that may have been made are learnt from.

    But it's still far too early to say either way.
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    GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 20,920
    SeanT said:
    Nothing about him being sentenced to two years jail time in Jan 2016?
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    calumcalum Posts: 3,046
    The Cobra meeting will be heated if these reports are true
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    Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,010
    Utterly off-topic aside: just discovered that Graves nicked the 'drills were bloodless battles and battles were bloody drills' line (spoken in I, Claudius by Drusus to Tiberius, describing how the army saw the latter as a commander) from Josephus.
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    AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 23,763
    SeanT said:

    Basically, lock up everyone linked to Hamza, Choudhary, etc

    Lock them up forever. In some kind of Guantanamo.

    But lots of them live in Bedfordshire , Guantanamo's an improvement
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 92,048
    SeanT said:

    Basically, lock up everyone linked to Hamza, Choudhary, etc

    Lock them up forever. In some kind of Guantanamo.

    I'm all for actually convicting people of things rather than the Guantanamo approach, but it has to be said its amazing how long that can take sometimes given how dangerous some of them are later said to be.
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    oxfordsimonoxfordsimon Posts: 5,831
    What sort of surveillance do people think would have prevented this attack?

    I fail to see how any of our security services could have read the attackers mind as he set out with a (presumably concealed) knife in his car today.
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    Y0kelY0kel Posts: 2,307
    isam said:



    Y0kel said:

    A talker becomes a doer? Curious.

    Its not complete loner job.

    Careful Yokel...
    There are only two options on this one:

    Loner, previously largely blowhard with interestingly changed circumstance
    Non loner in some shape or form.
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    murali_smurali_s Posts: 3,045
    GIN1138 said:

    SeanT said:
    Nothing about him being sentenced to two years jail time in Jan 2016?
    If he was sentenced in January 2016 for 2 years, how come he's still not inside now? Early release?
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    JonathanJonathan Posts: 20,913
    If it is a known individual that raises all sorts of questions.

    Who is he currently connected to?
    Was he under surveillance?

    And all those that follow.
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    FloaterFloater Posts: 14,195
    nope - but clearly an Islamist
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    rkrkrkrkrkrk Posts: 7,920
    tlg86 said:

    This may explain why we haven't heard from the PM. They know they're in the brown stuff.

    tlg86 said:

    This may explain why we haven't heard from the PM. They know they're in the brown stuff.

    Utter rubbish.
    I'm sure TM is trying to establish the facts before she talks to the country.
    Absolutely the right thing to do.
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    AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 23,763

    SeanT said:
    Many of the initial reports said the attacker was Asian and a lot of twitter comments were based around that. Shows, once again, that it's always best to wait.

    maybe the Sun will say it's Gina Miller :-)
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    GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 20,920
    SeanT said:

    GIN1138 said:

    SeanT said:
    Nothing about him being sentenced to two years jail time in Jan 2016?
    C4News not mentioning that, either
    He was jailed for four and half years in May 2008 for terrorism charges but was let out in 2009.

    Not sure where this January 2016 jail sentence has come from?
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    FloaterFloater Posts: 14,195
    OUT said:

    Trevor Brooks does seem to have quite a high profile.

    Quite a high profile is an understatement.
    Brooks is Choudary's mate. Been interviewed on tv numerous times.

    Choudary is absolute scum
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    williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 48,146
    Another angle is whether May will let Amber Rudd get on with the job over the next few weeks or whether she'll try to micro-manage and pull decisions in to Number 10.
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    RobDRobD Posts: 58,990
    SeanT said:

    dr_spyn said:

    Channel 4 now - Simon Israel just named Brooks as the suspect. Mentioned he was detained in Hungary in 2015. Left out reference to court case mentioned by Mirror.

    With a two year sentence you'd be out after a year (esp if you did time remanded).

    So it makes sense he could be free, now, and as soon as he got free - he went postal.

    Doesn't excuse the fact he slipped through the surveillance net.
    I am not sure being under surveillance could stop such an attack, especially if it was a so-called lone wolf attack.
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    Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,010
    Mr. T, can't put everyone under surveillance, there simply isn't the manpower. The pool of former, suspected and potential terrorists is enormous.
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    SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 20,715
    murali_s said:

    GIN1138 said:

    SeanT said:
    Nothing about him being sentenced to two years jail time in Jan 2016?
    If he was sentenced in January 2016 for 2 years, how come he's still not inside now? Early release?
    "Both men were sentenced to two years in prison. The maximum term for the offence is five years."

    So if the judge had given them a stiffer sentence, he would have still been inside.
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    oxfordsimonoxfordsimon Posts: 5,831
    GIN1138 said:

    SeanT said:

    GIN1138 said:

    SeanT said:
    Nothing about him being sentenced to two years jail time in Jan 2016?
    C4News not mentioning that, either
    He was jailed for four and half years in May 2008 for terrorism charges but was let out in 2009.

    Not sure where this January 2016 jail sentence has come from?
    It seems to be from breaching the rules requiring him not to leave the country - unless I have mis-read something
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,292
    edited March 2017
    From once the authorities claim to be known locally as Dave Trev isn't far off...
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    What sort of surveillance do people think would have prevented this attack?

    I fail to see how any of our security services could have read the attackers mind as he set out with a (presumably concealed) knife in his car today.

    How on earth can any security services prevent someone even on a warch list getting into their own car and then suddenly turning it into a weapon.



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    calumcalum Posts: 3,046
    GIN1138 said:

    SeanT said:

    GIN1138 said:

    SeanT said:
    Nothing about him being sentenced to two years jail time in Jan 2016?
    C4News not mentioning that, either
    He was jailed for four and half years in May 2008 for terrorism charges but was let out in 2009.

    Not sure where this January 2016 jail sentence has come from?
    http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/islamic-extremists-jailed-serious-deliberate-7142974
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    FloaterFloater Posts: 14,195
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    isamisam Posts: 41,002
    Floater said:

    OUT said:

    Trevor Brooks does seem to have quite a high profile.

    Quite a high profile is an understatement.
    Brooks is Choudary's mate. Been interviewed on tv numerous times.

    Choudary is absolute scum
    The Martin McGuiness of our time... will he be an MP in 2040? A martyr in 2056?
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    SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 20,715
    GIN1138 said:

    SeanT said:

    GIN1138 said:

    SeanT said:
    Nothing about him being sentenced to two years jail time in Jan 2016?
    C4News not mentioning that, either
    He was jailed for four and half years in May 2008 for terrorism charges but was let out in 2009.

    Not sure where this January 2016 jail sentence has come from?
    See here:

    http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/islamic-extremists-jailed-serious-deliberate-7142974
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    DavidLDavidL Posts: 51,397
    On a positive front the piece of shit is dead. No loss whatsoever and the idea that a sad loser like this has any intelligence, frankly of any kind, is highly optimistic. Of course we need to investigate whether there are other similar losers that he was in contact with who might be similarly deluded but there was nothing sophisticated or even planned about this. I'm glad he's dead. I seriously hope it hurt, a lot.
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    RobDRobD Posts: 58,990

    Another angle is whether May will let Amber Rudd get on with the job over the next few weeks or whether she'll try to micro-manage and pull decisions in to Number 10.

    Any chance to have a dig at May... :smiley:
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 92,048
    RobD said:

    SeanT said:

    dr_spyn said:

    Channel 4 now - Simon Israel just named Brooks as the suspect. Mentioned he was detained in Hungary in 2015. Left out reference to court case mentioned by Mirror.

    With a two year sentence you'd be out after a year (esp if you did time remanded).

    So it makes sense he could be free, now, and as soon as he got free - he went postal.

    Doesn't excuse the fact he slipped through the surveillance net.
    I am not sure being under surveillance could stop such an attack, especially if it was a so-called lone wolf attack.
    It would have to be extremely extensive and capable of knowing, when he got into a car, what he intended if they were to stop him at all, since he presumably drove sensibly until he got there.

    We shall see what details emerge, but clearly if it is him there will be much criticism, but it may well be it was off such a low level, planning wise, it just couldn't be prevented.
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    Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,010
    Mr. StClare, well. That's a bit of a surprise.
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    dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 28,015
    Not entirely sure what can be done other than remember the victims and continue to go about our business with heightened vigilance and resolve. Eventually it will come to pass that such actions are seen for what they are. Utterly futile. N Ireland learned that lesson. Sadly we are not there yet.
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    rkrkrkrkrkrk Posts: 7,920

    murali_s said:

    GIN1138 said:

    SeanT said:
    Nothing about him being sentenced to two years jail time in Jan 2016?
    If he was sentenced in January 2016 for 2 years, how come he's still not inside now? Early release?
    "Both men were sentenced to two years in prison. The maximum term for the offence is five years."

    So if the judge had given them a stiffer sentence, he would have still been inside.
    Maybe then he would have done it a few years later?
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    rkrkrkrkrkrk Posts: 7,920

    murali_s said:

    GIN1138 said:

    SeanT said:
    Nothing about him being sentenced to two years jail time in Jan 2016?
    If he was sentenced in January 2016 for 2 years, how come he's still not inside now? Early release?
    "Both men were sentenced to two years in prison. The maximum term for the offence is five years."

    So if the judge had given them a stiffer sentence, he would have still been inside.
    Maybe then he would have done it a few years later?
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    isamisam Posts: 41,002
    Ooh crikey the plot thickens
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    If that is true some have got this very wrong
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    dixiedean said:

    Not entirely sure what can be done other than remember the victims and continue to go about our business with heightened vigilance and resolve. Eventually it will come to pass that such actions are seen for what they are. Utterly futile. N Ireland learned that lesson. Sadly we are not there yet.

    You can't compare the IRA with Islamic terrorism. The Death Cult want us dead.
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    AndrewAndrew Posts: 2,900
    SeanT said:

    It's slightly reassuring that it's Brooks, in a bizarre way. He's been linked to terror and ISIS for many years. He's a bigwig in the bearded loony brigade.

    We're definitely fortunate that most of our home-grown brigade seem to be thick as pigshit, and thus rather lacking in imagination when it comes to mass murder.

    Awfully easy to dream up much more effective methods.
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    FloaterFloater Posts: 14,195

    From once the authorities claim to be known locally as Dave Trev isn't far off...

    Was he mentally ill?
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    PlatoSaidPlatoSaid Posts: 10,383
    A guy from ABC fact checked this simple point and C4 didn't????
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    Y0kelY0kel Posts: 2,307
    Again, if it was the currently named person, its a notable change in pattern.
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    FloaterFloater Posts: 14,195

    Mr. T, can't put everyone under surveillance, there simply isn't the manpower. The pool of former, suspected and potential terrorists is enormous.

    and growing
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    rkrkrkrkrkrk Posts: 7,920

    What sort of surveillance do people think would have prevented this attack?

    I fail to see how any of our security services could have read the attackers mind as he set out with a (presumably concealed) knife in his car today.

    How on earth can any security services prevent someone even on a warch list getting into their own car and then suddenly turning it into a weapon.



    I agree... Seems almost impossible to stop.
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    SeanT said:

    Wasn't that a joke tweet?

    *confused*
    Think everyone needs to wait for official confirmation of the terrorist before jumping to conclusions
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    dr_spyndr_spyn Posts: 11,291
    https://twitter.com/afneil/status/844631058142388225

    Either C4 are right or they are wrong.
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    FloaterFloater Posts: 14,195
    Sky news were treating right wing extremism as if it is at the same level as Jihadist terrorism.

    Right..................................
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,292
    edited March 2017
    Floater said:

    From once the authorities claim to be known locally as Dave Trev isn't far off...

    Was he mentally ill?
    Sky news expert just raised that possibility.

    Also stated that UK has 3000 people that are listed as a danger and ideally should be under surveillance. Apparently France have 2000 and they only actually have 40 under round the clock watch.
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    SeanT said:

    I'm very confused now. C4News is still adamant that its Izzadeen - yet his solicitor says he's in jail??!

    I suspect a spoof tweet. C4News has it right

    If C4News has this wrong they are going to have serious questions to answer
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    Andrew said:

    SeanT said:

    It's slightly reassuring that it's Brooks, in a bizarre way. He's been linked to terror and ISIS for many years. He's a bigwig in the bearded loony brigade.

    We're definitely fortunate that most of our home-grown brigade seem to be thick as pigshit, and thus rather lacking in imagination when it comes to mass murder.

    Awfully easy to dream up much more effective methods.
    Their fixation with London helps the security forces, plus all the hard security furniture. You drive a car down Loughborough Marketplace on a Thursday and you'd run out of petrol before enough tooled up coppers could be scrounged up. It's a scary thought, but nothing we can do about it really.
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    FloaterFloater Posts: 14,195
    2 of the French children are in a critical condition

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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,292
    edited March 2017
    Have ch4 just libelled a terrorist....Imagine if they have and have to pay compensation. Surely they won't have balls this up, surely?
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    IanB2IanB2 Posts: 47,460
    People are tweeting that the C4 alleged attacker is apparently still in jail
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    TheWhiteRabbitTheWhiteRabbit Posts: 12,388

    SeanT said:

    I'm very confused now. C4News is still adamant that its Izzadeen - yet his solicitor says he's in jail??!

    I suspect a spoof tweet. C4News has it right

    If C4News has this wrong they are going to have serious questions to answer
    I'm pretty certain calling someone a terrorist like on TV over and over again will have libel implications...
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    FloaterFloater Posts: 14,195

    Andrew said:

    SeanT said:

    It's slightly reassuring that it's Brooks, in a bizarre way. He's been linked to terror and ISIS for many years. He's a bigwig in the bearded loony brigade.

    We're definitely fortunate that most of our home-grown brigade seem to be thick as pigshit, and thus rather lacking in imagination when it comes to mass murder.

    Awfully easy to dream up much more effective methods.
    Their fixation with London helps the security forces, plus all the hard security furniture. You drive a car down Loughborough Marketplace on a Thursday and you'd run out of petrol before enough tooled up coppers could be scrounged up. It's a scary thought, but nothing we can do about it really.
    ex policeman on Sky admitted only London could respond as promptly with armed officers.
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    FloaterFloater Posts: 14,195

    Floater said:

    From once the authorities claim to be known locally as Dave Trev isn't far off...

    Was he mentally ill?
    Sky news expert just raised that possibility.

    Also stated that UK has 3000 people that are listed as a danger and ideally should be under surveillance. Apparently France have 2000 and they only actually have 40 under round the clock watch.
    3000 that we know of...........................

    How many at the height of the troubles?
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    Animal_pbAnimal_pb Posts: 608
    SeanT said:

    Lock up EVERYONE who rants about Islam.

    It's not hard. All of them. Lock 'em up. Bin the keys. Or offer them safe passage to Raqqa

    In all seriousness, it's not hard to see how the hate crime legislation could be (very slightly) re-purposed for this kind of application.
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    SeanT said:

    I'm very confused now. C4News is still adamant that its Izzadeen - yet his solicitor says he's in jail??!

    I suspect a spoof tweet. C4News has it right

    If C4News has this wrong they are going to have serious questions to answer
    I'm pretty certain calling someone a terrorist like on TV over and over again will have libel implications...
    PB Moderator was spot on on this earlier
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,292
    edited March 2017
    I think it is interesting that sky news, never normally slow to want to be the first to break news, aren't repeating ch4s claim as of yet.
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    oxfordsimonoxfordsimon Posts: 5,831
    Floater said:

    From once the authorities claim to be known locally as Dave Trev isn't far off...

    Was he mentally ill?
    Surely anyone who believes that committing this sort of terrorist act is acceptable is operating under a severe delusion. Severe enough to be considered mentally ill.

    But that is no excuse for their actions.
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    Re Tobias Ellwood. A mate of mine served in the Green Jacket's with him. He said he is utterly unsurprised the way he jumped in to help. Chapeau.
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    dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 28,015

    dixiedean said:

    Not entirely sure what can be done other than remember the victims and continue to go about our business with heightened vigilance and resolve. Eventually it will come to pass that such actions are seen for what they are. Utterly futile. N Ireland learned that lesson. Sadly we are not there yet.

    You can't compare the IRA with Islamic terrorism. The Death Cult want us dead.
    So what can be done then? Death cults end when their adherents are dead, and any potential recruits see it as pointless. ISIS is on its last legs in Syria and Iraq.
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    Mr. kle4, they can take a few hours to claim responsibility. Wouldn't be surprised if it takes a while yet, or even happens tomorrow.

    Especially when it is a lone wolf, as the "responsible" groups need to wait till the media tell them who the attacker was "inspired" by.
    An extraordinary choice of words by Kay Burley for which both she and Sky News should apologise.
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    AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    Independent newspaper naming the same person as C4 News.
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    tlg86tlg86 Posts: 25,206

    SeanT said:

    I'm very confused now. C4News is still adamant that its Izzadeen - yet his solicitor says he's in jail??!

    I suspect a spoof tweet. C4News has it right

    If C4News has this wrong they are going to have serious questions to answer
    I'm pretty certain calling someone a terrorist like on TV over and over again will have libel implications...
    PB Moderator was spot on on this earlier
    But not so much now. That name is still on this thread and it might be wrong!
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    Y0kelY0kel Posts: 2,307
    Floater said:

    Andrew said:

    SeanT said:

    It's slightly reassuring that it's Brooks, in a bizarre way. He's been linked to terror and ISIS for many years. He's a bigwig in the bearded loony brigade.

    We're definitely fortunate that most of our home-grown brigade seem to be thick as pigshit, and thus rather lacking in imagination when it comes to mass murder.

    Awfully easy to dream up much more effective methods.
    Their fixation with London helps the security forces, plus all the hard security furniture. You drive a car down Loughborough Marketplace on a Thursday and you'd run out of petrol before enough tooled up coppers could be scrounged up. It's a scary thought, but nothing we can do about it really.
    ex policeman on Sky admitted only London could respond as promptly with armed officers.
    Hasnt been to Belfast then.
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    dixiedean said:

    dixiedean said:

    Not entirely sure what can be done other than remember the victims and continue to go about our business with heightened vigilance and resolve. Eventually it will come to pass that such actions are seen for what they are. Utterly futile. N Ireland learned that lesson. Sadly we are not there yet.

    You can't compare the IRA with Islamic terrorism. The Death Cult want us dead.
    So what can be done then? Death cults end when their adherents are dead, and any potential recruits see it as pointless. ISIS is on its last legs in Syria and Iraq.
    Yeah, but it'll pop up elsewhere, and that doesn't stop our own homegrown crazies. This won't be resolved anytime soon.
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    OOPS!!!!

    Andrew Neil‏Verified account @afneil 11m11 minutes ago
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    Well, how does Channel 4 News square this: Trevor Brooks aka Abu Izzadeen's solicitor says he's still in jail!!
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    FloaterFloater Posts: 14,195
    dixiedean said:

    dixiedean said:

    Not entirely sure what can be done other than remember the victims and continue to go about our business with heightened vigilance and resolve. Eventually it will come to pass that such actions are seen for what they are. Utterly futile. N Ireland learned that lesson. Sadly we are not there yet.

    You can't compare the IRA with Islamic terrorism. The Death Cult want us dead.
    So what can be done then? Death cults end when their adherents are dead, and any potential recruits see it as pointless. ISIS is on its last legs in Syria and Iraq.
    ISIS is not the be all and end of of Islamic terrorism.
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    dr_spyndr_spyn Posts: 11,291
    C4 might be backtracking re Trevor Brooks. Simon Israel on now.
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,292
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    Have ch4 just topped the mirror's infamous front page?
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 92,048
    SeanT said:

    Wow, Channel 4 News backtracking

    Huge fuck up.

    No real excuse for a major news organization if they did jump in too soon like that.
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