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    RobDRobD Posts: 58,990
    SeanT said:

    Wow, Channel 4 News backtracking

    Huge fuck up.

    They couldn't have libeled a nicer bloke, could they? :D
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    AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 23,763
    Y0kel said:

    Floater said:

    Andrew said:

    SeanT said:

    It's slightly reassuring that it's Brooks, in a bizarre way. He's been linked to terror and ISIS for many years. He's a bigwig in the bearded loony brigade.

    We're definitely fortunate that most of our home-grown brigade seem to be thick as pigshit, and thus rather lacking in imagination when it comes to mass murder.

    Awfully easy to dream up much more effective methods.
    Their fixation with London helps the security forces, plus all the hard security furniture. You drive a car down Loughborough Marketplace on a Thursday and you'd run out of petrol before enough tooled up coppers could be scrounged up. It's a scary thought, but nothing we can do about it really.
    ex policeman on Sky admitted only London could respond as promptly with armed officers.
    Hasnt been to Belfast then.
    or Carrickmore
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    williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 48,146
    SeanT said:

    The most calamitous news reporting in a decade. Wow.

    Simon Israel was blinking at a hundred miles an hour throughout that statement.
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    PlatoSaidPlatoSaid Posts: 10,383
    I have pointed out this out rather a lot. Trump doesn't throw a grenade without evidence. Trey Gowdy on Monday only asked questions in Congress he appeared to know the answers to.

    Carry on thinking they're all morons.

    Wikileaks
    BREAKING: U.S. House Intelligence Committee confirms U.S. spies intercepted Trump team communications "on numerous occasions" #Vault7 https://t.co/hPV5cOxCcO
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    I thought Channel Four were hot on Fact Checking!
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    oxfordsimonoxfordsimon Posts: 5,831
    RobD said:

    SeanT said:

    Wow, Channel 4 News backtracking

    Huge fuck up.

    They couldn't have libeled a nicer bloke, could they? :D
    Hard for him to claim for any damage to his reputation. It has probably increased his 'value'

    It would be horrendous to see the libel laws being used to force media outlets to pay damages that would arguably be used to fund terrorism...
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    MonikerDiCanioMonikerDiCanio Posts: 5,792
    SeanT said:

    Wow, Channel 4 News backtracking

    Huge fuck up.

    Fake News. Channel 4 News won't recover.
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    FloaterFloater Posts: 14,195
    Y0kel said:

    Floater said:

    Andrew said:

    SeanT said:

    It's slightly reassuring that it's Brooks, in a bizarre way. He's been linked to terror and ISIS for many years. He's a bigwig in the bearded loony brigade.

    We're definitely fortunate that most of our home-grown brigade seem to be thick as pigshit, and thus rather lacking in imagination when it comes to mass murder.

    Awfully easy to dream up much more effective methods.
    Their fixation with London helps the security forces, plus all the hard security furniture. You drive a car down Loughborough Marketplace on a Thursday and you'd run out of petrol before enough tooled up coppers could be scrounged up. It's a scary thought, but nothing we can do about it really.
    ex policeman on Sky admitted only London could respond as promptly with armed officers.
    Hasnt been to Belfast then.
    I suspect he was only talking about the mainland :-)

    But point well taken
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    JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 39,072
    PlatoSaid said:

    I have pointed out this out rather a lot. Trump doesn't throw a grenade without evidence. Trey Gowdy on Monday only asked questions in Congress he appeared to know the answers to.

    Carry on thinking they're all morons.

    Wikileaks
    BREAKING: U.S. House Intelligence Committee confirms U.S. spies intercepted Trump team communications "on numerous occasions" #Vault7 https://t.co/hPV5cOxCcO

    Odd how you haven't linked to this:
    Trump ex-aide Paul Manafort 'offered to help Putin'
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-39350007
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    surbitonsurbiton Posts: 13,549
    PlatoSaid said:

    I have pointed out this out rather a lot. Trump doesn't throw a grenade without evidence. Trey Gowdy on Monday only asked questions in Congress he appeared to know the answers to.

    Carry on thinking they're all morons.

    Wikileaks
    BREAKING: U.S. House Intelligence Committee confirms U.S. spies intercepted Trump team communications "on numerous occasions" #Vault7 https://t.co/hPV5cOxCcO

    Why is that good for Trump ?
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    AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    Thought I could trust Channel 4 News on something like this.
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    Y0kelY0kel Posts: 2,307
    PlatoSaid said:

    I have pointed out this out rather a lot. Trump doesn't throw a grenade without evidence. Trey Gowdy on Monday only asked questions in Congress he appeared to know the answers to.

    Carry on thinking they're all morons.

    Wikileaks
    BREAKING: U.S. House Intelligence Committee confirms U.S. spies intercepted Trump team communications "on numerous occasions" #Vault7 https://t.co/hPV5cOxCcO

    Let me rephrase that. In the course of foreign intelligence monioting, members of Trump team communicating with those foreign Intelligence people were scooped up.

    It is NOT the same as any claim from the Russian front organisation that is Wikileaks who have every reason to fire out talk.

    Let me be clear and I've been banging on about this for months. Trump is in over his head with the Russians and he now knows it.
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    PlatoSaidPlatoSaid Posts: 10,383

    I thought Channel Four were hot on Fact Checking!

    I simply clicked on the tweet and saw it was ABC journalist. How can C4 not do a simple check like this?
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    Beverley_CBeverley_C Posts: 6,256

    Utterly off-topic aside: just discovered that Graves nicked the 'drills were bloodless battles and battles were bloody drills' line (spoken in I, Claudius by Drusus to Tiberius, describing how the army saw the latter as a commander) from Josephus.

    It has been years since I read "I, Clavdivs". Heavy going though, Mills & Boon it was not :)
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    oxfordsimonoxfordsimon Posts: 5,831
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    surbitonsurbiton Posts: 13,549
    dr_spyn said:

    C4 might be backtracking re Trevor Brooks. Simon Israel on now.

    There were "eye witness" reports that the assailant was black. Then, hey presto, C4 got their man. If this is a false report, then it shows how competitive news has become and they have to be first - even with the wrong news!

    Let's wait until tomorrow. The police will tell us his identity.
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    williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 48,146
    Breaking: Channel 4 News in critical condition.
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    FloaterFloater Posts: 14,195
    multiple media outlets naming the individual named by C4 / Independent

    Including US / Italian and arabic services.
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    dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 28,014

    dixiedean said:

    dixiedean said:

    Not entirely sure what can be done other than remember the victims and continue to go about our business with heightened vigilance and resolve. Eventually it will come to pass that such actions are seen for what they are. Utterly futile. N Ireland learned that lesson. Sadly we are not there yet.

    You can't compare the IRA with Islamic terrorism. The Death Cult want us dead.
    So what can be done then? Death cults end when their adherents are dead, and any potential recruits see it as pointless. ISIS is on its last legs in Syria and Iraq.
    Yeah, but it'll pop up elsewhere, and that doesn't stop our own homegrown crazies. This won't be resolved anytime soon.
    Tackle it at source. We know where the funding for hate preachers comes from. Economic cowardice has prevented it so far.
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    FloaterFloater Posts: 14,195
    Oh dear indeed
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    OmniumOmnium Posts: 9,800
    PlatoSaid said:

    I have pointed out this out rather a lot. Trump doesn't throw a grenade without evidence. Trey Gowdy on Monday only asked questions in Congress he appeared to know the answers to.

    Carry on thinking they're all morons.

    Wikileaks
    BREAKING: U.S. House Intelligence Committee confirms U.S. spies intercepted Trump team communications "on numerous occasions" #Vault7 https://t.co/hPV5cOxCcO

    Some of these people are a bit dim. However are you suggesting that it's a sort of Emperor's new clothes thing? So the establishment has been so rotten, for so long, that you need someone that's both a fool and incredibly brave to highlight it?

    I'd like to be pointed towards a non-foolish but incredibly brave person in that case. Just a couple to leaven the mix.

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    AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    Floater said:

    multiple media outlets naming the individual named by C4 / Independent

    Including US / Italian and arabic services.

    Hope he won't end up with more money from this.
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    Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,008
    Mrs C, I've never read it, but I did very much enjoy the BBC version of it. Absolutely stellar cast.
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    oxfordsimonoxfordsimon Posts: 5,831
    AndyJS said:

    Floater said:

    multiple media outlets naming the individual named by C4 / Independent

    Including US / Italian and arabic services.

    Hope he won't end up with more money from this.
    I would hope that a judge would award 1p in damages.

    The lawyers, on the other hand, would make a mint
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    Salutory warning to all those who sought to make political capital out of what appears to be one of the most serious fake news stories in the UK
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    surbitonsurbiton Posts: 13,549
    dixiedean said:

    dixiedean said:

    dixiedean said:

    Not entirely sure what can be done other than remember the victims and continue to go about our business with heightened vigilance and resolve. Eventually it will come to pass that such actions are seen for what they are. Utterly futile. N Ireland learned that lesson. Sadly we are not there yet.

    You can't compare the IRA with Islamic terrorism. The Death Cult want us dead.
    So what can be done then? Death cults end when their adherents are dead, and any potential recruits see it as pointless. ISIS is on its last legs in Syria and Iraq.
    Yeah, but it'll pop up elsewhere, and that doesn't stop our own homegrown crazies. This won't be resolved anytime soon.
    Tackle it at source. We know where the funding for hate preachers comes from. Economic cowardice has prevented it so far.
    Saudi Arabia ? Even Trump did not include that country in his six countries.
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    williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 48,146
    More than embarrassing for Channel 4 to jump the gun and get fact-checked by an American journalist.
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    oxfordsimonoxfordsimon Posts: 5,831

    Mrs C, I've never read it, but I did very much enjoy the BBC version of it. Absolutely stellar cast.

    It is a good read - but it does work better in adaptation. There was a R4 version a few years back that made a good job of it.
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    tlg86tlg86 Posts: 25,205
    I'd suggest now might be a good time for a new thread with this one consigned to history.
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    Tim_BTim_B Posts: 7,669

    Utterly off-topic aside: just discovered that Graves nicked the 'drills were bloodless battles and battles were bloody drills' line (spoken in I, Claudius by Drusus to Tiberius, describing how the army saw the latter as a commander) from Josephus.

    It has been years since I read "I, Clavdivs". Heavy going though, Mills & Boon it was not :)
    Vol 2 - Claudius the God - is even tougher. I bought the books when the BBC series came out - still not read them both cover to cover in spite of several attempts.
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    FloaterFloater Posts: 14,195
    breitbart have a classic line dropping shit all over C4

    "(insert name here), the man Channel 4 News believed to be the suspect "


    Note the key word
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    ThreeQuidderThreeQuidder Posts: 6,133
    dr_spyn said:
    You would have thought C4 would have got a proper source before naming him.
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    PlatoSaidPlatoSaid Posts: 10,383
    Is this C4's Al Capone Vault?
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    Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,008
    So, is I, Claudius (the book) harder or easier than Gibbon's The Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire?
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    JackWJackW Posts: 14,787
    I wonder whether Channel 4 has thought about their +1 hour channel coverage?
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    Ishmael_ZIshmael_Z Posts: 8,981

    So, is I, Claudius (the book) harder or easier than Gibbon's The Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire?

    Shorter.
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    SimonStClareSimonStClare Posts: 7,976

    SeanT said:

    Wow, Channel 4 News backtracking

    Huge fuck up.

    Fake News. Channel 4 News won't recover.
    Fortunately they have little reputation to lose…
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    dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 28,014
    surbiton said:

    dixiedean said:

    dixiedean said:

    dixiedean said:

    Not entirely sure what can be done other than remember the victims and continue to go about our business with heightened vigilance and resolve. Eventually it will come to pass that such actions are seen for what they are. Utterly futile. N Ireland learned that lesson. Sadly we are not there yet.

    You can't compare the IRA with Islamic terrorism. The Death Cult want us dead.
    So what can be done then? Death cults end when their adherents are dead, and any potential recruits see it as pointless. ISIS is on its last legs in Syria and Iraq.
    Yeah, but it'll pop up elsewhere, and that doesn't stop our own homegrown crazies. This won't be resolved anytime soon.
    Tackle it at source. We know where the funding for hate preachers comes from. Economic cowardice has prevented it so far.
    Saudi Arabia ? Even Trump did not include that country in his six countries.
    See. People know without having to have it spelled out. We all know where the root of the problem is. We also know why no government will say so.
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    isamisam Posts: 41,002

    dr_spyn said:
    You would have thought C4 would have got a proper source before naming him.
    Thanks to the @PBModerator for deleting my comments! :smile:
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    williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 48,146
    Simon Israel's bio on the Channel 4 website says, 'He's broken a number of exclusives...'

    https://www.channel4.com/news/by/simon-israel
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    PlatoSaidPlatoSaid Posts: 10,383
    I thought I'd missed it. Clearly not.

    Paul Joseph Watson

    Sadiq Khan, the Mayor of London, a city attacked over 5 hours ago, has not appeared once on camera to reassure the public. Where is he?
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    AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 23,763

    And the EU blinked


    Barnier warned of queues of lorries at Dover, a complete lack of certainty for citizens and custom controls on trade from day one of the UK’s withdrawal. “A no deal scenario is not what we want,” he said.

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    JackW said:

    I wonder whether Channel 4 has thought about their +1 hour channel coverage?

    Well played sir..... perhaps the redundant BBC test card might be better?
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    surbitonsurbiton Posts: 13,549
    Reluctant correction from Jon Snow ?
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    MonikerDiCanioMonikerDiCanio Posts: 5,792
    PlatoSaid said:

    Is this C4's Al Capone Vault?

    It's Michael Fish on steroids, Channel 4 will never live down this fiasco.
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    surbiton said:

    Reluctant correction from Jon Snow ?

    What did he say
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    FloaterFloater Posts: 14,195
    PlatoSaid said:

    I thought I'd missed it. Clearly not.

    Paul Joseph Watson

    Sadiq Khan, the Mayor of London, a city attacked over 5 hours ago, has not appeared once on camera to reassure the public. Where is he?

    I thought he had released some sort of statement?
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    RobDRobD Posts: 58,990

    Simon Israel's bio on the Channel 4 website says, 'He's broken a number of exclusives...'

    https://www.channel4.com/news/by/simon-israel

    Are those more or less prestigious than a PB first? :D
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    tlg86tlg86 Posts: 25,205
    JackW said:

    I wonder whether Channel 4 has thought about their +1 hour channel coverage?

    Good thinking, I've just pressed record for the news. I'll take a look at half time in the footy.
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    isamisam Posts: 41,002
    JackW said:

    I wonder whether Channel 4 has thought about their +1 hour channel coverage?

    Shrewdie!
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    Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,008
    Mr. Z, I should bloody well hope so, given Gibbon's work is nearly 4,000 pages long!

    I was referring to ease of reading rather than length.
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    Floater said:

    PlatoSaid said:

    I thought I'd missed it. Clearly not.

    Paul Joseph Watson

    Sadiq Khan, the Mayor of London, a city attacked over 5 hours ago, has not appeared once on camera to reassure the public. Where is he?

    I thought he had released some sort of statement?
    He did - hours ago.
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    Tim_BTim_B Posts: 7,669
    I lived in London during the first half of the 1970s, worked in the City when the IRA bombing campaign was in full swing, so I saw my fair share of sirens and police actions.

    If I lived there now I would raise a glass this evening in tribute to the response of the police and emergency responders - they came through big time when needed: and in memory of the police officer who died in the line of duty.

    It doesn't matter how long I've lived in the US and been a US citizen - on days like today there is a part of me that will always be a brit, and proud of it. I felt this one personally. I knew the area around parliament almost 50 years ago - I still remember standing in Downing Street opposite the door of No. 10 watching Wilson move out and Heath move in back in 1970. In those days Downing Street was a public street, with steps at the back down to Horseguards, a thoroughfare open to the public. Hard to believe that today.
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    ParistondaParistonda Posts: 1,819
    PlatoSaid said:

    I thought I'd missed it. Clearly not.

    Paul Joseph Watson

    Sadiq Khan, the Mayor of London, a city attacked over 5 hours ago, has not appeared once on camera to reassure the public. Where is he?

    Yes he has. https://twitter.com/SadiqKhan/status/844633197191335936
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    Tim_BTim_B Posts: 7,669

    Mr. Z, I should bloody well hope so, given Gibbon's work is nearly 4,000 pages long!

    I was referring to ease of reading rather than length.

    I'm reading Edward Empire's Decline and Fall of the Roman Gibbon on my Kindle. In small chunks it's great reading.
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    DecrepitJohnLDecrepitJohnL Posts: 13,300
    edited March 2017
    Deleted. Link already posted.
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    calumcalum Posts: 3,046
    Sky (Kay) reporting police have identified the attacker
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    OmniumOmnium Posts: 9,800
    Tim_B said:

    Utterly off-topic aside: just discovered that Graves nicked the 'drills were bloodless battles and battles were bloody drills' line (spoken in I, Claudius by Drusus to Tiberius, describing how the army saw the latter as a commander) from Josephus.

    It has been years since I read "I, Clavdivs". Heavy going though, Mills & Boon it was not :)
    Vol 2 - Claudius the God - is even tougher. I bought the books when the BBC series came out - still not read them both cover to cover in spite of several attempts.
    They're wonderful books. I do think that they're best read with a certain experience of life under your belt though. I'm not sure I'd have liked them if I had read them 10 years prior. I plan to read War and Peace again for roughly those sorts of reasons - I found it hard the first time.
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    williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 48,146
    Tim_B said:

    Mr. Z, I should bloody well hope so, given Gibbon's work is nearly 4,000 pages long!

    I was referring to ease of reading rather than length.

    I'm reading Edward Empire's Decline and Fall of the Roman Gibbon on my Kindle. In small chunks it's great reading.
    I had to double check that someone hadn't written an epic parody. :)
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    JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 39,072
    I will remind people of the quote I gave in the previous thread, from a PR bod:

    "In that situation, there is not a great deal you can do to make things better, but there is a lot you can do to make things worse. And spreading gossip definitely makes things worse."
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    TheWhiteRabbitTheWhiteRabbit Posts: 12,388
    Right, so Channel 4 will be writing a man convicted of terrorist fundraising a cheque tonight.

    Great.
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    JackWJackW Posts: 14,787
    Ooopps - Channel 4 News do it again on +1 hour ....
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    surbitonsurbiton Posts: 13,549

    PlatoSaid said:

    I thought I'd missed it. Clearly not.

    Paul Joseph Watson

    Sadiq Khan, the Mayor of London, a city attacked over 5 hours ago, has not appeared once on camera to reassure the public. Where is he?

    Yes he has. https://twitter.com/SadiqKhan/status/844633197191335936
    Clearly he forgot to inform Plato.
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    Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,008
    Mr. B, how does it work with the copious footnotes?

    I've got Dodge's biography of Gustavus Adolphus on Kindle (wasn't available as a proper book). May return to it when I've finally worked my way through some other stuff.

    Mr. Omnium, I feel that way about Shakespeare. Whilst I do think it's good the plays are taught in schools, more is gotten from them with greater experience and knowledge.
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    GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 20,920
    JackW said:

    I wonder whether Channel 4 has thought about their +1 hour channel coverage?

    It's hard to believe a state broadcaster could actually name someone like this without making sure they have the correct person.

    Incredible really!
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    isamisam Posts: 41,002
    edited March 2017

    Right, so Channel 4 will be writing a man convicted of terrorist fundraising a cheque tonight.

    Great.

    You couldn't make it up!
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    surbitonsurbiton Posts: 13,549
    calum said:

    Sky (Kay) reporting police have identified the attacker

    I hope the Police were not watching C4 News.
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    BarnesianBarnesian Posts: 8,006
    PlatoSaid said:

    I thought I'd missed it. Clearly not.

    Paul Joseph Watson

    Sadiq Khan, the Mayor of London, a city attacked over 5 hours ago, has not appeared once on camera to reassure the public. Where is he?

    Here: https://twitter.com/SadiqKhan
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    A bit of levity.

    Current score in the football is Scotland 0 - Canada 1
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    AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 23,763
    surbiton said:

    PlatoSaid said:

    I thought I'd missed it. Clearly not.

    Paul Joseph Watson

    Sadiq Khan, the Mayor of London, a city attacked over 5 hours ago, has not appeared once on camera to reassure the public. Where is he?

    Yes he has. https://twitter.com/SadiqKhan/status/844633197191335936
    Clearly he forgot to inform Plato.
    and everybody else

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    williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 48,146
    Channel 4 has just pulled their +1 coverage (after already repeating the claim in the intro)...
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    Ishmael_ZIshmael_Z Posts: 8,981
    dixiedean said:

    surbiton said:

    dixiedean said:

    dixiedean said:

    dixiedean said:

    Not entirely sure what can be done other than remember the victims and continue to go about our business with heightened vigilance and resolve. Eventually it will come to pass that such actions are seen for what they are. Utterly futile. N Ireland learned that lesson. Sadly we are not there yet.

    You can't compare the IRA with Islamic terrorism. The Death Cult want us dead.
    So what can be done then? Death cults end when their adherents are dead, and any potential recruits see it as pointless. ISIS is on its last legs in Syria and Iraq.
    Yeah, but it'll pop up elsewhere, and that doesn't stop our own homegrown crazies. This won't be resolved anytime soon.
    Tackle it at source. We know where the funding for hate preachers comes from. Economic cowardice has prevented it so far.
    Saudi Arabia ? Even Trump did not include that country in his six countries.
    See. People know without having to have it spelled out. We all know where the root of the problem is. We also know why no government will say so.
    Oversimplification. Vehicle-based terrorism is either cheap or (if you hijack it) free. Ideas, even very bad ones, have a life of their own and spread themselves without the need for paying "hate preachers" (who in any case are generously supported in this country by the DWP). If funding is needed, ISIS has a GDP as large as some countries (not, admittedly, including Saudi Arabia).
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    JackWJackW Posts: 14,787
    Channel 4 pull their +1 hour coverage ....

    Someone must read PB .... :smile:
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    Tissue_PriceTissue_Price Posts: 9,039
    "We are temporarily unable to show the scheduled content on +1 at this moment"

    I bet!
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    Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,008
    Mr. Glenn, you blasphemer!

    Mr. Rabbit, fake news! Sad.
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    AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 23,763

    A bit of levity.

    Current score in the football is Scotland 0 - Canada 1

    be fair canada are down to nine men
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    PlatoSaidPlatoSaid Posts: 10,383

    Floater said:

    PlatoSaid said:

    I thought I'd missed it. Clearly not.

    Paul Joseph Watson

    Sadiq Khan, the Mayor of London, a city attacked over 5 hours ago, has not appeared once on camera to reassure the public. Where is he?

    I thought he had released some sort of statement?
    He did - hours ago.
    Linky?
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    DecrepitJohnLDecrepitJohnL Posts: 13,300

    It must drive the likes of Sky News and the BBC nuts that posters on twitter can post what they want, like naming the attacker, and they have to be far more circumspect.

    Sometimes patience is a virtue in the reporting game.
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    GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 20,920
    JackW said:

    Channel 4 pull their +1 hour coverage ....

    Someone must read PB .... :smile:


    Mike's the man who moves markets and Mr Jack is the man who moves the media! :smiley:
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    RobD said:

    SeanT said:

    Wow, Channel 4 News backtracking

    Huge fuck up.

    They couldn't have libeled a nicer bloke, could they? :D
    Hard for him to claim for any damage to his reputation. It has probably increased his 'value'

    It would be horrendous to see the libel laws being used to force media outlets to pay damages that would arguably be used to fund terrorism...
    That's the point - there has been no damage to his reputation so there would be no monetary amount.

    I can say Gary glitter interfered with a.n.other and even if it's not true it hasn't damaged his reputation so he can't sue me for libel.


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    surbitonsurbiton Posts: 13,549
    If this really turns out to be a lone wolf attack, this must have been an extremely badly planned attack. Did he really think he will get into Parliament ?
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    Tim_BTim_B Posts: 7,669

    Tim_B said:

    Mr. Z, I should bloody well hope so, given Gibbon's work is nearly 4,000 pages long!

    I was referring to ease of reading rather than length.

    I'm reading Edward Empire's Decline and Fall of the Roman Gibbon on my Kindle. In small chunks it's great reading.
    I had to double check that someone hadn't written an epic parody. :)
    It might owe something - along with Stanley Stamp's Gibbon catalogue - to "I'm Sorry I'll Read That Again", one of whose favorite songs was "stuff that gibbon"

    Just search for 'gibbon'

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I'm_Sorry,_I'll_Read_That_Again
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    PlatoSaid said:

    Floater said:

    PlatoSaid said:

    I thought I'd missed it. Clearly not.

    Paul Joseph Watson

    Sadiq Khan, the Mayor of London, a city attacked over 5 hours ago, has not appeared once on camera to reassure the public. Where is he?

    I thought he had released some sort of statement?
    He did - hours ago.
    Linky?
    On the Mayor of London twitter feed he released a statement 3 hours ago
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 92,048
    surbiton said:

    If this really turns out to be a lone wolf attack, this must have been an extremely badly planned attack. Did he really think he will get into Parliament ?

    Maybe. The Canadian attacker did get inside their parliament building.
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    BarnesianBarnesian Posts: 8,006
    surbiton said:

    If this really turns out to be a lone wolf attack, this must have been an extremely badly planned attack. Did he really think he will get into Parliament ?

    He wanted to die a martyr. Sick.
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    AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 23,763

    PlatoSaid said:

    Floater said:

    PlatoSaid said:

    I thought I'd missed it. Clearly not.

    Paul Joseph Watson

    Sadiq Khan, the Mayor of London, a city attacked over 5 hours ago, has not appeared once on camera to reassure the public. Where is he?

    I thought he had released some sort of statement?
    He did - hours ago.
    Linky?
    On the Mayor of London twitter feed he released a statement 3 hours ago
    he hasnt really got the grasp of this media stuff

    why isnt he on the telly
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    oxfordsimonoxfordsimon Posts: 5,831

    RobD said:

    SeanT said:

    Wow, Channel 4 News backtracking

    Huge fuck up.

    They couldn't have libeled a nicer bloke, could they? :D
    Hard for him to claim for any damage to his reputation. It has probably increased his 'value'

    It would be horrendous to see the libel laws being used to force media outlets to pay damages that would arguably be used to fund terrorism...
    That's the point - there has been no damage to his reputation so there would be no monetary amount.

    I can say Gary glitter interfered with a.n.other and even if it's not true it hasn't damaged his reputation so he can't sue me for libel.


    The individual in question doesn't have convictions for violence - so he could claim that calling him a murderer is damage.
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    PlatoSaidPlatoSaid Posts: 10,383

    PlatoSaid said:

    Floater said:

    PlatoSaid said:

    I thought I'd missed it. Clearly not.

    Paul Joseph Watson

    Sadiq Khan, the Mayor of London, a city attacked over 5 hours ago, has not appeared once on camera to reassure the public. Where is he?

    I thought he had released some sort of statement?
    He did - hours ago.
    Linky?
    On the Mayor of London twitter feed he released a statement 3 hours ago
    he hasnt really got the grasp of this media stuff

    why isnt he on the telly
    I've had Sky on since PMQs - no mention at all
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    tlg86tlg86 Posts: 25,205

    RobD said:

    SeanT said:

    Wow, Channel 4 News backtracking

    Huge fuck up.

    They couldn't have libeled a nicer bloke, could they? :D
    Hard for him to claim for any damage to his reputation. It has probably increased his 'value'

    It would be horrendous to see the libel laws being used to force media outlets to pay damages that would arguably be used to fund terrorism...
    That's the point - there has been no damage to his reputation so there would be no monetary amount.

    I can say Gary glitter interfered with a.n.other and even if it's not true it hasn't damaged his reputation so he can't sue me for libel.


    The individual in question doesn't have convictions for violence - so he could claim that calling him a murderer is damage.
    Yes, I think he will sue and he will win.
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    PlatoSaid said:

    Floater said:

    PlatoSaid said:

    I thought I'd missed it. Clearly not.

    Paul Joseph Watson

    Sadiq Khan, the Mayor of London, a city attacked over 5 hours ago, has not appeared once on camera to reassure the public. Where is he?

    I thought he had released some sort of statement?
    He did - hours ago.
    Linky?
    On the Mayor of London twitter feed he released a statement 3 hours ago
    he hasnt really got the grasp of this media stuff

    why isnt he on the telly
    I prefer hearing from the police what's going on basically - as we've seen media can be trying to scoop and politicians can't win re grandstanding / hiding coin.
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    tlg86tlg86 Posts: 25,205
    surbiton said:

    If this really turns out to be a lone wolf attack, this must have been an extremely badly planned attack. Did he really think he will get into Parliament ?

    He very nearly did.
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,164
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    Beverley_CBeverley_C Posts: 6,256
    Tim_B said:

    Utterly off-topic aside: just discovered that Graves nicked the 'drills were bloodless battles and battles were bloody drills' line (spoken in I, Claudius by Drusus to Tiberius, describing how the army saw the latter as a commander) from Josephus.

    It has been years since I read "I, Clavdivs". Heavy going though, Mills & Boon it was not :)
    Vol 2 - Claudius the God - is even tougher. I bought the books when the BBC series came out - still not read them both cover to cover in spite of several attempts.
    I read them both. I think once in a lifetime was enough :)

    I did enjoy them though
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    dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 28,014
    Ishmael_Z said:

    dixiedean said:

    surbiton said:

    dixiedean said:

    dixiedean said:

    dixiedean said:

    Not entirely sure what can be done other than remember the victims and continue to go about our business with heightened vigilance and resolve. Eventually it will come to pass that such actions are seen for what they are. Utterly futile. N Ireland learned that lesson. Sadly we are not there yet.

    You can't compare the IRA with Islamic terrorism. The Death Cult want us dead.
    So what can be done then? Death cults end when their adherents are dead, and any potential recruits see it as pointless. ISIS is on its last legs in Syria and Iraq.
    Yeah, but it'll pop up elsewhere, and that doesn't stop our own homegrown crazies. This won't be resolved anytime soon.
    Tackle it at source. We know where the funding for hate preachers comes from. Economic cowardice has prevented it so far.
    Saudi Arabia ? Even Trump did not include that country in his six countries.
    See. People know without having to have it spelled out. We all know where the root of the problem is. We also know why no government will say so.
    Oversimplification. Vehicle-based terrorism is either cheap or (if you hijack it) free. Ideas, even very bad ones, have a life of their own and spread themselves without the need for paying "hate preachers" (who in any case are generously supported in this country by the DWP). If funding is needed, ISIS has a GDP as large as some countries (not, admittedly, including Saudi Arabia).
    Possibly an over simplification, but ISIS did not grow out of a vacuum. It developed after years of well funded evangelism of Wahhabism on the back of mostly Saudi oil money.
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    isamisam Posts: 41,002
    tlg86 said:

    RobD said:

    SeanT said:

    Wow, Channel 4 News backtracking

    Huge fuck up.

    They couldn't have libeled a nicer bloke, could they? :D
    Hard for him to claim for any damage to his reputation. It has probably increased his 'value'

    It would be horrendous to see the libel laws being used to force media outlets to pay damages that would arguably be used to fund terrorism...
    That's the point - there has been no damage to his reputation so there would be no monetary amount.

    I can say Gary glitter interfered with a.n.other and even if it's not true it hasn't damaged his reputation so he can't sue me for libel.


    The individual in question doesn't have convictions for violence - so he could claim that calling him a murderer is damage.
    Yes, I think he will sue and he will win.
    I bet he is saying a few "Allah Akhbars" in his cell tonight!
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    surbitonsurbiton Posts: 13,549
    PlatoSaid said:

    PlatoSaid said:

    Floater said:

    PlatoSaid said:

    I thought I'd missed it. Clearly not.

    Paul Joseph Watson

    Sadiq Khan, the Mayor of London, a city attacked over 5 hours ago, has not appeared once on camera to reassure the public. Where is he?

    I thought he had released some sort of statement?
    He did - hours ago.
    Linky?
    On the Mayor of London twitter feed he released a statement 3 hours ago
    he hasnt really got the grasp of this media stuff

    why isnt he on the telly
    I've had Sky on since PMQs - no mention at all
    I thought you normally watched Fox News.
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    JackWJackW Posts: 14,787
    GIN1138 said:

    JackW said:

    Channel 4 pull their +1 hour coverage ....

    Someone must read PB .... :smile:


    Mike's the man who moves markets and Mr Jack is the man who moves the media! :smiley:
    The only thing Jack moves with alacrity these days are bowel movements after certain medication !!
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    AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 23,763

    PlatoSaid said:

    Floater said:

    PlatoSaid said:

    I thought I'd missed it. Clearly not.

    Paul Joseph Watson

    Sadiq Khan, the Mayor of London, a city attacked over 5 hours ago, has not appeared once on camera to reassure the public. Where is he?

    I thought he had released some sort of statement?
    He did - hours ago.
    Linky?
    On the Mayor of London twitter feed he released a statement 3 hours ago
    he hasnt really got the grasp of this media stuff

    why isnt he on the telly
    I prefer hearing from the police what's going on basically - as we've seen media can be trying to scoop and politicians can't win re grandstanding / hiding coin.
    maybe, but part of his job is to be the focal point of London in times of crisis

    he's taking a back seat
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