It's slightly reassuring that it's Brooks, in a bizarre way. He's been linked to terror and ISIS for many years. He's a bigwig in the bearded loony brigade.
We're definitely fortunate that most of our home-grown brigade seem to be thick as pigshit, and thus rather lacking in imagination when it comes to mass murder.
Awfully easy to dream up much more effective methods.
Their fixation with London helps the security forces, plus all the hard security furniture. You drive a car down Loughborough Marketplace on a Thursday and you'd run out of petrol before enough tooled up coppers could be scrounged up. It's a scary thought, but nothing we can do about it really.
ex policeman on Sky admitted only London could respond as promptly with armed officers.
I have pointed out this out rather a lot. Trump doesn't throw a grenade without evidence. Trey Gowdy on Monday only asked questions in Congress he appeared to know the answers to.
Carry on thinking they're all morons.
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It's slightly reassuring that it's Brooks, in a bizarre way. He's been linked to terror and ISIS for many years. He's a bigwig in the bearded loony brigade.
We're definitely fortunate that most of our home-grown brigade seem to be thick as pigshit, and thus rather lacking in imagination when it comes to mass murder.
Awfully easy to dream up much more effective methods.
Their fixation with London helps the security forces, plus all the hard security furniture. You drive a car down Loughborough Marketplace on a Thursday and you'd run out of petrol before enough tooled up coppers could be scrounged up. It's a scary thought, but nothing we can do about it really.
ex policeman on Sky admitted only London could respond as promptly with armed officers.
Hasnt been to Belfast then.
I suspect he was only talking about the mainland :-)
I have pointed out this out rather a lot. Trump doesn't throw a grenade without evidence. Trey Gowdy on Monday only asked questions in Congress he appeared to know the answers to.
Carry on thinking they're all morons.
Wikileaks BREAKING: U.S. House Intelligence Committee confirms U.S. spies intercepted Trump team communications "on numerous occasions" #Vault7 https://t.co/hPV5cOxCcO
I have pointed out this out rather a lot. Trump doesn't throw a grenade without evidence. Trey Gowdy on Monday only asked questions in Congress he appeared to know the answers to.
Carry on thinking they're all morons.
Wikileaks BREAKING: U.S. House Intelligence Committee confirms U.S. spies intercepted Trump team communications "on numerous occasions" #Vault7 https://t.co/hPV5cOxCcO
I have pointed out this out rather a lot. Trump doesn't throw a grenade without evidence. Trey Gowdy on Monday only asked questions in Congress he appeared to know the answers to.
Carry on thinking they're all morons.
Wikileaks BREAKING: U.S. House Intelligence Committee confirms U.S. spies intercepted Trump team communications "on numerous occasions" #Vault7 https://t.co/hPV5cOxCcO
Let me rephrase that. In the course of foreign intelligence monioting, members of Trump team communicating with those foreign Intelligence people were scooped up.
It is NOT the same as any claim from the Russian front organisation that is Wikileaks who have every reason to fire out talk.
Let me be clear and I've been banging on about this for months. Trump is in over his head with the Russians and he now knows it.
Utterly off-topic aside: just discovered that Graves nicked the 'drills were bloodless battles and battles were bloody drills' line (spoken in I, Claudius by Drusus to Tiberius, describing how the army saw the latter as a commander) from Josephus.
It has been years since I read "I, Clavdivs". Heavy going though, Mills & Boon it was not
C4 might be backtracking re Trevor Brooks. Simon Israel on now.
There were "eye witness" reports that the assailant was black. Then, hey presto, C4 got their man. If this is a false report, then it shows how competitive news has become and they have to be first - even with the wrong news!
Let's wait until tomorrow. The police will tell us his identity.
Not entirely sure what can be done other than remember the victims and continue to go about our business with heightened vigilance and resolve. Eventually it will come to pass that such actions are seen for what they are. Utterly futile. N Ireland learned that lesson. Sadly we are not there yet.
You can't compare the IRA with Islamic terrorism. The Death Cult want us dead.
So what can be done then? Death cults end when their adherents are dead, and any potential recruits see it as pointless. ISIS is on its last legs in Syria and Iraq.
Yeah, but it'll pop up elsewhere, and that doesn't stop our own homegrown crazies. This won't be resolved anytime soon.
Tackle it at source. We know where the funding for hate preachers comes from. Economic cowardice has prevented it so far.
I have pointed out this out rather a lot. Trump doesn't throw a grenade without evidence. Trey Gowdy on Monday only asked questions in Congress he appeared to know the answers to.
Carry on thinking they're all morons.
Wikileaks BREAKING: U.S. House Intelligence Committee confirms U.S. spies intercepted Trump team communications "on numerous occasions" #Vault7 https://t.co/hPV5cOxCcO
Some of these people are a bit dim. However are you suggesting that it's a sort of Emperor's new clothes thing? So the establishment has been so rotten, for so long, that you need someone that's both a fool and incredibly brave to highlight it?
I'd like to be pointed towards a non-foolish but incredibly brave person in that case. Just a couple to leaven the mix.
Not entirely sure what can be done other than remember the victims and continue to go about our business with heightened vigilance and resolve. Eventually it will come to pass that such actions are seen for what they are. Utterly futile. N Ireland learned that lesson. Sadly we are not there yet.
You can't compare the IRA with Islamic terrorism. The Death Cult want us dead.
So what can be done then? Death cults end when their adherents are dead, and any potential recruits see it as pointless. ISIS is on its last legs in Syria and Iraq.
Yeah, but it'll pop up elsewhere, and that doesn't stop our own homegrown crazies. This won't be resolved anytime soon.
Tackle it at source. We know where the funding for hate preachers comes from. Economic cowardice has prevented it so far.
Saudi Arabia ? Even Trump did not include that country in his six countries.
Utterly off-topic aside: just discovered that Graves nicked the 'drills were bloodless battles and battles were bloody drills' line (spoken in I, Claudius by Drusus to Tiberius, describing how the army saw the latter as a commander) from Josephus.
It has been years since I read "I, Clavdivs". Heavy going though, Mills & Boon it was not
Vol 2 - Claudius the God - is even tougher. I bought the books when the BBC series came out - still not read them both cover to cover in spite of several attempts.
Not entirely sure what can be done other than remember the victims and continue to go about our business with heightened vigilance and resolve. Eventually it will come to pass that such actions are seen for what they are. Utterly futile. N Ireland learned that lesson. Sadly we are not there yet.
You can't compare the IRA with Islamic terrorism. The Death Cult want us dead.
So what can be done then? Death cults end when their adherents are dead, and any potential recruits see it as pointless. ISIS is on its last legs in Syria and Iraq.
Yeah, but it'll pop up elsewhere, and that doesn't stop our own homegrown crazies. This won't be resolved anytime soon.
Tackle it at source. We know where the funding for hate preachers comes from. Economic cowardice has prevented it so far.
Saudi Arabia ? Even Trump did not include that country in his six countries.
See. People know without having to have it spelled out. We all know where the root of the problem is. We also know why no government will say so.
Barnier warned of queues of lorries at Dover, a complete lack of certainty for citizens and custom controls on trade from day one of the UK’s withdrawal. “A no deal scenario is not what we want,” he said.
I lived in London during the first half of the 1970s, worked in the City when the IRA bombing campaign was in full swing, so I saw my fair share of sirens and police actions.
If I lived there now I would raise a glass this evening in tribute to the response of the police and emergency responders - they came through big time when needed: and in memory of the police officer who died in the line of duty.
It doesn't matter how long I've lived in the US and been a US citizen - on days like today there is a part of me that will always be a brit, and proud of it. I felt this one personally. I knew the area around parliament almost 50 years ago - I still remember standing in Downing Street opposite the door of No. 10 watching Wilson move out and Heath move in back in 1970. In those days Downing Street was a public street, with steps at the back down to Horseguards, a thoroughfare open to the public. Hard to believe that today.
Utterly off-topic aside: just discovered that Graves nicked the 'drills were bloodless battles and battles were bloody drills' line (spoken in I, Claudius by Drusus to Tiberius, describing how the army saw the latter as a commander) from Josephus.
It has been years since I read "I, Clavdivs". Heavy going though, Mills & Boon it was not
Vol 2 - Claudius the God - is even tougher. I bought the books when the BBC series came out - still not read them both cover to cover in spite of several attempts.
They're wonderful books. I do think that they're best read with a certain experience of life under your belt though. I'm not sure I'd have liked them if I had read them 10 years prior. I plan to read War and Peace again for roughly those sorts of reasons - I found it hard the first time.
I will remind people of the quote I gave in the previous thread, from a PR bod:
"In that situation, there is not a great deal you can do to make things better, but there is a lot you can do to make things worse. And spreading gossip definitely makes things worse."
Mr. B, how does it work with the copious footnotes?
I've got Dodge's biography of Gustavus Adolphus on Kindle (wasn't available as a proper book). May return to it when I've finally worked my way through some other stuff.
Mr. Omnium, I feel that way about Shakespeare. Whilst I do think it's good the plays are taught in schools, more is gotten from them with greater experience and knowledge.
Not entirely sure what can be done other than remember the victims and continue to go about our business with heightened vigilance and resolve. Eventually it will come to pass that such actions are seen for what they are. Utterly futile. N Ireland learned that lesson. Sadly we are not there yet.
You can't compare the IRA with Islamic terrorism. The Death Cult want us dead.
So what can be done then? Death cults end when their adherents are dead, and any potential recruits see it as pointless. ISIS is on its last legs in Syria and Iraq.
Yeah, but it'll pop up elsewhere, and that doesn't stop our own homegrown crazies. This won't be resolved anytime soon.
Tackle it at source. We know where the funding for hate preachers comes from. Economic cowardice has prevented it so far.
Saudi Arabia ? Even Trump did not include that country in his six countries.
See. People know without having to have it spelled out. We all know where the root of the problem is. We also know why no government will say so.
Oversimplification. Vehicle-based terrorism is either cheap or (if you hijack it) free. Ideas, even very bad ones, have a life of their own and spread themselves without the need for paying "hate preachers" (who in any case are generously supported in this country by the DWP). If funding is needed, ISIS has a GDP as large as some countries (not, admittedly, including Saudi Arabia).
It must drive the likes of Sky News and the BBC nuts that posters on twitter can post what they want, like naming the attacker, and they have to be far more circumspect.
Sometimes patience is a virtue in the reporting game.
If this really turns out to be a lone wolf attack, this must have been an extremely badly planned attack. Did he really think he will get into Parliament ?
Mr. Z, I should bloody well hope so, given Gibbon's work is nearly 4,000 pages long!
I was referring to ease of reading rather than length.
I'm reading Edward Empire's Decline and Fall of the Roman Gibbon on my Kindle. In small chunks it's great reading.
I had to double check that someone hadn't written an epic parody.
It might owe something - along with Stanley Stamp's Gibbon catalogue - to "I'm Sorry I'll Read That Again", one of whose favorite songs was "stuff that gibbon"
If this really turns out to be a lone wolf attack, this must have been an extremely badly planned attack. Did he really think he will get into Parliament ?
Maybe. The Canadian attacker did get inside their parliament building.
If this really turns out to be a lone wolf attack, this must have been an extremely badly planned attack. Did he really think he will get into Parliament ?
Sadiq Khan, the Mayor of London, a city attacked over 5 hours ago, has not appeared once on camera to reassure the public. Where is he?
I thought he had released some sort of statement?
He did - hours ago.
Linky?
On the Mayor of London twitter feed he released a statement 3 hours ago
he hasnt really got the grasp of this media stuff
why isnt he on the telly
I prefer hearing from the police what's going on basically - as we've seen media can be trying to scoop and politicians can't win re grandstanding / hiding coin.
If this really turns out to be a lone wolf attack, this must have been an extremely badly planned attack. Did he really think he will get into Parliament ?
Utterly off-topic aside: just discovered that Graves nicked the 'drills were bloodless battles and battles were bloody drills' line (spoken in I, Claudius by Drusus to Tiberius, describing how the army saw the latter as a commander) from Josephus.
It has been years since I read "I, Clavdivs". Heavy going though, Mills & Boon it was not
Vol 2 - Claudius the God - is even tougher. I bought the books when the BBC series came out - still not read them both cover to cover in spite of several attempts.
I read them both. I think once in a lifetime was enough
Not entirely sure what can be done other than remember the victims and continue to go about our business with heightened vigilance and resolve. Eventually it will come to pass that such actions are seen for what they are. Utterly futile. N Ireland learned that lesson. Sadly we are not there yet.
You can't compare the IRA with Islamic terrorism. The Death Cult want us dead.
So what can be done then? Death cults end when their adherents are dead, and any potential recruits see it as pointless. ISIS is on its last legs in Syria and Iraq.
Yeah, but it'll pop up elsewhere, and that doesn't stop our own homegrown crazies. This won't be resolved anytime soon.
Tackle it at source. We know where the funding for hate preachers comes from. Economic cowardice has prevented it so far.
Saudi Arabia ? Even Trump did not include that country in his six countries.
See. People know without having to have it spelled out. We all know where the root of the problem is. We also know why no government will say so.
Oversimplification. Vehicle-based terrorism is either cheap or (if you hijack it) free. Ideas, even very bad ones, have a life of their own and spread themselves without the need for paying "hate preachers" (who in any case are generously supported in this country by the DWP). If funding is needed, ISIS has a GDP as large as some countries (not, admittedly, including Saudi Arabia).
Possibly an over simplification, but ISIS did not grow out of a vacuum. It developed after years of well funded evangelism of Wahhabism on the back of mostly Saudi oil money.
Sadiq Khan, the Mayor of London, a city attacked over 5 hours ago, has not appeared once on camera to reassure the public. Where is he?
I thought he had released some sort of statement?
He did - hours ago.
Linky?
On the Mayor of London twitter feed he released a statement 3 hours ago
he hasnt really got the grasp of this media stuff
why isnt he on the telly
I prefer hearing from the police what's going on basically - as we've seen media can be trying to scoop and politicians can't win re grandstanding / hiding coin.
maybe, but part of his job is to be the focal point of London in times of crisis
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Carry on thinking they're all morons.
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It would be horrendous to see the libel laws being used to force media outlets to pay damages that would arguably be used to fund terrorism...
But point well taken
Trump ex-aide Paul Manafort 'offered to help Putin'
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-39350007
It is NOT the same as any claim from the Russian front organisation that is Wikileaks who have every reason to fire out talk.
Let me be clear and I've been banging on about this for months. Trump is in over his head with the Russians and he now knows it.
Let's wait until tomorrow. The police will tell us his identity.
Including US / Italian and arabic services.
I'd like to be pointed towards a non-foolish but incredibly brave person in that case. Just a couple to leaven the mix.
The lawyers, on the other hand, would make a mint
"(insert name here), the man Channel 4 News believed to be the suspect "
Note the key word
https://www.channel4.com/news/by/simon-israel
Paul Joseph Watson
Sadiq Khan, the Mayor of London, a city attacked over 5 hours ago, has not appeared once on camera to reassure the public. Where is he?
And the EU blinked
Barnier warned of queues of lorries at Dover, a complete lack of certainty for citizens and custom controls on trade from day one of the UK’s withdrawal. “A no deal scenario is not what we want,” he said.
I was referring to ease of reading rather than length.
If I lived there now I would raise a glass this evening in tribute to the response of the police and emergency responders - they came through big time when needed: and in memory of the police officer who died in the line of duty.
It doesn't matter how long I've lived in the US and been a US citizen - on days like today there is a part of me that will always be a brit, and proud of it. I felt this one personally. I knew the area around parliament almost 50 years ago - I still remember standing in Downing Street opposite the door of No. 10 watching Wilson move out and Heath move in back in 1970. In those days Downing Street was a public street, with steps at the back down to Horseguards, a thoroughfare open to the public. Hard to believe that today.
"In that situation, there is not a great deal you can do to make things better, but there is a lot you can do to make things worse. And spreading gossip definitely makes things worse."
Great.
I've got Dodge's biography of Gustavus Adolphus on Kindle (wasn't available as a proper book). May return to it when I've finally worked my way through some other stuff.
Mr. Omnium, I feel that way about Shakespeare. Whilst I do think it's good the plays are taught in schools, more is gotten from them with greater experience and knowledge.
Incredible really!
Current score in the football is Scotland 0 - Canada 1
Someone must read PB ....
I bet!
Mr. Rabbit, fake news! Sad.
Mike's the man who moves markets and Mr Jack is the man who moves the media!
I can say Gary glitter interfered with a.n.other and even if it's not true it hasn't damaged his reputation so he can't sue me for libel.
Just search for 'gibbon'
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I'm_Sorry,_I'll_Read_That_Again
why isnt he on the telly
I did enjoy them though
he's taking a back seat