politicalbetting.com » Blog Archive » The persistence of kippers – looking at where post-referendum
Comments
-
Cheers. I was wondering! ;-)David_Evershed said:
0 -
They're not leaving.TGOHF said:I look forward to the SNP plan for rejoining the EU - with details of their budget and currency plans.
0 -
In states such as Colorado with medical marijana, are they are allowed to prescribe Cannabis? Got to be a damn sight safer than opiates...rcs1000 said:
There is a US lobbying group Patients for Pain Relief, or somesuch, that is funded entirely by the drug industry and which employs 1,300 lobbyists that goes round pushing states to make it easier for people to get painkiller prescriptions.nunu said:
That law must be counterproductive? Shouldn't the law be for the Doctor to prescribe rehab?rcs1000 said:I don't know how aware people are of this, but the US has an extraordinary opiate addiction epidemic right now. In some US states, there are more opiate prescriptions than there are residents. In Tennessee, there is a law which states that if a doctor refuses to prescribe painkillers to a patient, he must refer them to someone who will.
There are now more than 30,000 deaths per year from opiate overdoses.
Anyways, what is striking is how this epidemic is effecting the white rural population.0 -
@alexmassie: "Take back control" will be the SNP theme in #IndyRef20
-
So what happens if Theresa May is disinclined to acquiesce to Nicola Sturgeon's request?0
-
What else was anyone expecting? Brexit was inevitably going to lead to a second independence referendum. The UK has had its day. Just as England has drifted inexorably away from the EU, so Scotland is drifting inexorably away from England and Wales. Northern Ireland is too. It's all very sad, but there is no sustainable British demos anymore. Last June's vote was the final nail in its coffin.0
-
Justified tv show had this as a central point, and legalising marijuana in Kentucky.Anorak said:
WTFF? Not doubting you, but I'd be interested to read the source of that. Astonishing fact.rcs1000 said:I don't know how aware people are of this, but the US has an extraordinary opiate addiction epidemic right now. In some US states, there are more opiate prescriptions than there are residents. In Tennessee, there is a law which states that if a doctor refuses to prescribe painkillers to a patient, he must refer them to someone who will.
0 -
williamglenn said:
They're not leaving.TGOHF said:I look forward to the SNP plan for rejoining the EU - with details of their budget and currency plans.
What currency will Sindy use ?williamglenn said:
They're not leaving.TGOHF said:I look forward to the SNP plan for rejoining the EU - with details of their budget and currency plans.
0 -
Only if Yes wins this time.TheScreamingEagles said:So another Project Fear Reality prediction comes true.
0 -
She'll scweam, and scweam, and scweam, until she's sickTheScreamingEagles said:So what happens if Theresa May is disinclined to acquiesce to Nicola Sturgeon's request?
0 -
Lib Dems are neither right nor left but anti-authoritarian.justin124 said:
I think you underestimate the toxicity of LibDems to left of centre voters. It will take a generation before they will be forgiven for their role as 'the Tories little helpers'.SouthamObserver said:
With a strong leader, I suspect that the LDs would already be closer to 20% than 10%. Farron just does not inspire. If Corbyn is in charge in 2020, they will probably get my vote (if anyone does), but it's easy for me - I live in a seat that the Tories are going to hold come what may.surbiton said:
I think you are under estimating what the Liberals can do, if Corbyn stays in situ. 10% could easily become 20% in no time. Mostly, from Labour but a few from the Tories too.SouthamObserver said:
Like Labour, the LibDems have a leader problem. Unlike Corbyn, Farron is not hopelessly out of touch, does not hold views that are anathema to 80% of the population and is not utterly useless at leading, but he does not have a persona that commands attention. With millions and millions of voters looking on in bemusement at what is currently happening in and to the UK looking for someone to articulate their frustration, the opportunity is huge. It's tailor-made for someone like Charlie Kennedy or a pre-coalition Clegg, but the LibDems do not have that god dust anymore, it seems.OldKingCole said:
For all the hype? As far as I can see the LibDems have received very little.They get very little Press coverage and their Leader is regularly rubbished, both here and in the right-wing Press.Danny565 said:
For all the hype, the Lib Dems really haven't made much progress in the polls at all. They've barely crawled up a few points since the EU referendum, and, worse, any progress they've made seems to have completely stalled since the New Year (after they got a bit of a lift following Richmond Park). They're only a bit ahead of where they were at this point in the disastrous 2010-15 parliament.RobD said:Second!
It is interesting that both UKIP and the Lib Dems haven't really moved much in the polls.
Of course, the picture of the polls is completely contradicted by the local council byelections week after week, so goodness knows what's really going on with them.
Corbynistas are keen on central state control authoritarianism - so not keen on Lib Dems, or at least not keen on the liberal elements.
Lib Dems should be seducing Conservative Remainers.0 -
I have no problem with a referendum post March 2019 and it seems Nicola is content with that. In those circumstances Scotland would leave their biggest market and be out of Europe until consent to join the EU is given.GIN1138 said:So Nicola says she wants the referendum between Autumn 2018 and Spring 2019.
The UK's negotiations with the will end Spring 2019 so that leaves room for Scotland to have a referendum after in April or May 2019 after they see what kind of deal we get.
Seems fair enough to me. HMG would be advised to accept that timeline.
Sounds economic suicide0 -
The Euro.TGOHF said:williamglenn said:
They're not leaving.TGOHF said:I look forward to the SNP plan for rejoining the EU - with details of their budget and currency plans.
What currency will Sindy use ?williamglenn said:
They're not leaving.TGOHF said:I look forward to the SNP plan for rejoining the EU - with details of their budget and currency plans.
Next question?-1 -
Will just make the Scot's more likely to leave the UK when they do eventually get another referendum.TheScreamingEagles said:So what happens if Theresa May is disinclined to acquiesce to Nicola Sturgeon's request?
0 -
Nicola has stated the poundwilliamglenn said:
The Euro.TGOHF said:williamglenn said:
They're not leaving.TGOHF said:I look forward to the SNP plan for rejoining the EU - with details of their budget and currency plans.
What currency will Sindy use ?williamglenn said:
They're not leaving.TGOHF said:I look forward to the SNP plan for rejoining the EU - with details of their budget and currency plans.
Next question?0 -
Yawn - you just ignoring polling north of the border again ?SouthamObserver said:What else was anyone expecting? Brexit was inevitably going to lead to a second independence referendum. The UK has had its day. Just as England has drifted inexorably away from the EU, so Scotland is drifting inexorably away from England and Wales. Northern Ireland is too. It's all very sad, but there is no sustainable British demos anymore. Last June's vote was the final nail in its coffin.
0 -
If the SNP loses, will they demand a third referendum?0
-
Surely that should be "give back control"?Scott_P said:@alexmassie: "Take back control" will be the SNP theme in #IndyRef2
0 -
Great - that is very clear.williamglenn said:
The Euro.TGOHF said:williamglenn said:
They're not leaving.TGOHF said:I look forward to the SNP plan for rejoining the EU - with details of their budget and currency plans.
What currency will Sindy use ?williamglenn said:
They're not leaving.TGOHF said:I look forward to the SNP plan for rejoining the EU - with details of their budget and currency plans.
Next question?
I look forward to a referendum with the SNP squarely putting that as their policy.
LOL.0 -
Armed insurrection and/or UDI.TheScreamingEagles said:So what happens if Theresa May is disinclined to acquiesce to Nicola Sturgeon's request?
0 -
But with no lender of last resort and no control over interest rates. How does one join the EU (and by default the Euro) without their own currency?Big_G_NorthWales said:
Nicola has stated the poundwilliamglenn said:
The Euro.TGOHF said:williamglenn said:
They're not leaving.TGOHF said:I look forward to the SNP plan for rejoining the EU - with details of their budget and currency plans.
What currency will Sindy use ?williamglenn said:
They're not leaving.TGOHF said:I look forward to the SNP plan for rejoining the EU - with details of their budget and currency plans.
Next question?0 -
Irn brew.TGOHF said:williamglenn said:
They're not leaving.TGOHF said:I look forward to the SNP plan for rejoining the EU - with details of their budget and currency plans.
What currency will Sindy use ?williamglenn said:
They're not leaving.TGOHF said:I look forward to the SNP plan for rejoining the EU - with details of their budget and currency plans.
0 -
Look to Shetland now to ask to leave ScotlandSean_F said:If the SNP loses, will they demand a third referendum?
0 -
I think there's a lot in what you say. I've always felt Scotland leaving the UK was inevitable since Labour brought in devolution.SouthamObserver said:What else was anyone expecting? Brexit was inevitably going to lead to a second independence referendum. The UK has had its day. Just as England has drifted inexorably away from the EU, so Scotland is drifting inexorably away from England and Wales. Northern Ireland is too. It's all very sad, but there is no sustainable British demos anymore. Last June's vote was the final nail in its coffin.
0 -
Because they really have no ideaSandpit said:
But with no lender of last resort and no control over interest rates. How does one join the EU (and by default the Euro) without their own currency?Big_G_NorthWales said:
Nicola has stated the poundwilliamglenn said:
The Euro.TGOHF said:williamglenn said:
They're not leaving.TGOHF said:I look forward to the SNP plan for rejoining the EU - with details of their budget and currency plans.
What currency will Sindy use ?williamglenn said:
They're not leaving.TGOHF said:I look forward to the SNP plan for rejoining the EU - with details of their budget and currency plans.
Next question?0 -
Take back control from London and give it to Bruxelles.Scott_P said:@alexmassie: "Take back control" will be the SNP theme in #IndyRef2
0 -
Good. Hanging on to relationships that have essentially expired is never a good idea for either party. If the people of Scotland or NI or Wales want to make their own way in the world good for them. I see no reason to grieve or to worry.SouthamObserver said:What else was anyone expecting? Brexit was inevitably going to lead to a second independence referendum. The UK has had its day. Just as England has drifted inexorably away from the EU, so Scotland is drifting inexorably away from England and Wales. Northern Ireland is too. It's all very sad, but there is no sustainable British demos anymore. Last June's vote was the final nail in its coffin.
0 -
What is the legal basis for declaring independence? Does it have to be via referendum?TheScreamingEagles said:So what happens if Theresa May is disinclined to acquiesce to Nicola Sturgeon's request?
0 -
Create a central bank.Sandpit said:
But with no lender of last resort and no control over interest rates. How does one join the EU (and by default the Euro) without their own currency?Big_G_NorthWales said:
Nicola has stated the poundwilliamglenn said:
The Euro.TGOHF said:williamglenn said:
They're not leaving.TGOHF said:I look forward to the SNP plan for rejoining the EU - with details of their budget and currency plans.
What currency will Sindy use ?williamglenn said:
They're not leaving.TGOHF said:I look forward to the SNP plan for rejoining the EU - with details of their budget and currency plans.
Next question?
Next question?0 -
williamglenn said:
The Euro.TGOHF said:williamglenn said:
They're not leaving.TGOHF said:I look forward to the SNP plan for rejoining the EU - with details of their budget and currency plans.
What currency will Sindy use ?williamglenn said:
They're not leaving.TGOHF said:I look forward to the SNP plan for rejoining the EU - with details of their budget and currency plans.
Next question?
Chortle ..Big_G_NorthWales said:
Nicola has stated the poundwilliamglenn said:
The Euro.TGOHF said:williamglenn said:
They're not leaving.TGOHF said:I look forward to the SNP plan for rejoining the EU - with details of their budget and currency plans.
What currency will Sindy use ?williamglenn said:
They're not leaving.TGOHF said:I look forward to the SNP plan for rejoining the EU - with details of their budget and currency plans.
Next question?
0 -
Lib Dems anti-authoritarian???David_Evershed said:
Lib Dems are neither right nor left but anti-authoritarian.justin124 said:
I think you underestimate the toxicity of LibDems to left of centre voters. It will take a generation before they will be forgiven for their role as 'the Tories little helpers'.SouthamObserver said:
With a strong leader, I suspect that the LDs would already be closer to 20% than 10%. Farron just does not inspire. If Corbyn is in charge in 2020, they will probably get my vote (if anyone does), but it's easy for me - I live in a seat that the Tories are going to hold come what may.surbiton said:
I think you are under estimating what the Liberals can do, if Corbyn stays in situ. 10% could easily become 20% in no time. Mostly, from Labour but a few from the Tories too.SouthamObserver said:
Like Labour, the LibDems have a leader problem. Unlike Corbyn, Farron is not hopelessly out of touch, does not hold views that are anathema to 80% of the population and is not utterly useless at leading, but he does not have a persona that commands d to the UK looking for someone to articulate their frustration, the opportunity is seems.OldKingCole said:
For all the hype? As far as I can see the LibDems have received very little.They get very little Press coverage and their Leader is regularly rubbished, both here and in the right-wing Press.Danny565 said:
For all the hype, the Lib Dems really haven't made much progress in the polls at all. They've barely crawled up a few points since the EU referendum, and, worse, any progress they've made seems to have completely stalled since the New Year (after they got a bit of a lift following Richmond Park). They're only a bit ahead of where they were at this point in the disastrous 2010-15 parliament.RobD said:Second!
It is interesting that both UKIP and the Lib Dems haven't really moved much in the polls.
Of course, the picture of the polls is completely contradicted by the local council byelections week after week, so goodness knows what's really going on with them.
Corbynistas are keen on central state control authoritarianism - so not keen on Lib Dems, or at least not keen on the liberal elements.
Lib Dems should be seducing Conservative Remainers.
This is the party that wants to overturn the democratic result of the Brexit referendum and has now announced that they would use Westminster to try and block a Scottish independence referendum against the wishes of the Scottish Parliament.
They are the most authoritarian party going.0 -
How could a Scottish central bank control interest rates or money supply without its own currency?williamglenn said:
Create a central bank.Sandpit said:
But with no lender of last resort and no control over interest rates. How does one join the EU (and by default the Euro) without their own currency?Big_G_NorthWales said:
Nicola has stated the poundwilliamglenn said:
The Euro.TGOHF said:williamglenn said:
They're not leaving.TGOHF said:I look forward to the SNP plan for rejoining the EU - with details of their budget and currency plans.
What currency will Sindy use ?williamglenn said:
They're not leaving.TGOHF said:I look forward to the SNP plan for rejoining the EU - with details of their budget and currency plans.
Next question?
Next question?0 -
Naturally, Sturgeon stands down, a new leader is elected and the whole circus will start again.Sean_F said:If the SNP loses, will they demand a third referendum?
0 -
Thinking of Nicola's proposals I believe she is attempting to blackmail Westminster for more powers as I am not convinced, despite her bluster, that even she thinks she could win0
-
EU rule from Berlin.David_Evershed said:
Take back control from London and give it to Bruxelles.Scott_P said:@alexmassie: "Take back control" will be the SNP theme in #IndyRef2
Arbeit MacFree.0 -
-
Have you read the requirements that have to be met before a state can join the Euro?williamglenn said:
The Euro.TGOHF said:williamglenn said:
They're not leaving.TGOHF said:I look forward to the SNP plan for rejoining the EU - with details of their budget and currency plans.
What currency will Sindy use ?williamglenn said:
They're not leaving.TGOHF said:I look forward to the SNP plan for rejoining the EU - with details of their budget and currency plans.
Next question?0 -
Someone on Gutfield called the new jobs increase in construction and mining 'fly over jobs' because the MSM were ignoring the job stats or claiming they were all Obama legacy.Patrick said:
Astonishing but not really news. Middle America has had a very very tough decade. Suicides, drug abuse, non-participation in labour market, food stamps, etc. You can see why Trump chose MAGA as his mantra.rcs1000 said:
https://www.cdc.gov/drugoverdose/data/prescribing.htmlAnorak said:
WTFF? Not doubting you, but I'd be interested to read the source of that. Astonishing fact.rcs1000 said:I don't know how aware people are of this, but the US has an extraordinary opiate addiction epidemic right now. In some US states, there are more opiate prescriptions than there are residents. In Tennessee, there is a law which states that if a doctor refuses to prescribe painkillers to a patient, he must refer them to someone who will.
0 -
That was always going to be the outcome. It's like unpicking the fabric of a country thread by thread until eventually the entire thing just falls apart.glw said:
Devolution has had precisely the opposite effect that Labour thought it would.GIN1138 said:I think there's a lot in what you say. I've always felt Scotland leaving the UK was inevitable since Labour brought in devolution.
0 -
Jedem das (Auld Lang) Seine.GeoffM said:
EU rule from Berlin.David_Evershed said:
Take back control from London and give it to Bruxelles.Scott_P said:@alexmassie: "Take back control" will be the SNP theme in #IndyRef2
Arbeit MacFree.0 -
The polling shows Scotland split down the middle. If Scotland votes to stay it will be for economic reasons only. That is not sustainable.TGOHF said:
Yawn - you just ignoring polling north of the border again ?SouthamObserver said:What else was anyone expecting? Brexit was inevitably going to lead to a second independence referendum. The UK has had its day. Just as England has drifted inexorably away from the EU, so Scotland is drifting inexorably away from England and Wales. Northern Ireland is too. It's all very sad, but there is no sustainable British demos anymore. Last June's vote was the final nail in its coffin.
0 -
I don't want Scotland to vote for independence, but I've far less desire to see Scotland given a veto over decisions that the voters of the UK as a whole consider to be in their interest.TheScreamingEagles said:
0 -
No Sindyref2: Sindyref Harder thread?0
-
By the time we get to an independence vote we will already have a Scottish deal in the bag. The EU are going to guarantee their EEA membership with at least fast track membership to the whole thing agreed. They'll be offered a better deal that the floor scrapings we're going to be proffered. And that'll be used as pressure on the rest of the UK.
What can May threaten them with? Throwing them out of the CTA, currency and customs unions? A physical border? People will be laughing in her face.
Bravo Nicola, bravo. A brilliant political gambit. Any Jeremy obsessives reading this - that's what leadership looks like.0 -
So Sturgeon pushes for indyref2 in late 2018 or early 2019, no surprise really. Given the whole premise of the argument is the opposition to Brexit May should only ask the question on the basis of something like 'Do you want Scotland to leave the United Kingdom in order to rejoin the European Union'?0
-
It would take part in the governing council of the ECB.David_Evershed said:
How could a Scottish central bank control interest rates or money supply without its own currency?williamglenn said:
Create a central bank.Sandpit said:
But with no lender of last resort and no control over interest rates. How does one join the EU (and by default the Euro) without their own currency?Big_G_NorthWales said:
Nicola has stated the poundwilliamglenn said:
The Euro.TGOHF said:williamglenn said:
They're not leaving.TGOHF said:I look forward to the SNP plan for rejoining the EU - with details of their budget and currency plans.
What currency will Sindy use ?williamglenn said:
They're not leaving.TGOHF said:I look forward to the SNP plan for rejoining the EU - with details of their budget and currency plans.
Next question?
Next question?0 -
So once in a generation means every 4 years. Who'd have thought? Well, its a lot easier than trying to run the country.
The Scottish local elections have got more significant too. Going to need my walking shoes.0 -
Rochdale
Agreed in every respect0 -
My suggestion was always: "Should Scotland remain in the European Union as an independent member state?"HYUFD said:So Sturgeon pushes for indyref2 in late 2018 or early 2019, no surprise really. Given the whole premise of the argument is the opposition to Brexit May should only ask the question on the basis of something like 'Do you want Scotland to leave the United Kingdom in order to rejoin the European Union'?
0 -
The EU will not negotiate with Scotland until the UK have leftRochdalePioneers said:By the time we get to an independence vote we will already have a Scottish deal in the bag. The EU are going to guarantee their EEA membership with at least fast track membership to the whole thing agreed. They'll be offered a better deal that the floor scrapings we're going to be proffered. And that'll be used as pressure on the rest of the UK.
What can May threaten them with? Throwing them out of the CTA, currency and customs unions? A physical border? People will be laughing in her face.
Bravo Nicola, bravo. A brilliant political gambit. Any Jeremy obsessives reading this - that's what leadership looks like.0 -
May backed Remain, it was the English and Welsh electorates decision to vote Leave which led to any indyref2 so of course she has no need to resignTheScreamingEagles said:It is 7/1 and 8/1 that Theresa May steps down as PM in 2018 and 2019 respectively.
Massive if Scots vote for Independence.
(With Ladbrokes)0 -
williamglenn said:
It would take part in the governing council of the ECB.David_Evershed said:
How could a Scottish central bank control interest rates or money supply without its own currency?williamglenn said:
Create a central bank.Sandpit said:
But with no lender of last resort and no control over interest rates. How does one join the EU (and by default the Euro) without their own currency?Big_G_NorthWales said:
Nicola has stated the poundwilliamglenn said:
The Euro.TGOHF said:williamglenn said:
They're not leaving.TGOHF said:I look forward to the SNP plan for rejoining the EU - with details of their budget and currency plans.
What currency will Sindy use ?williamglenn said:
They're not leaving.TGOHF said:I look forward to the SNP plan for rejoining the EU - with details of their budget and currency plans.
Next question?
Next question?
Greece needs the Euro to be devalued but Germany needs the Euro to be revalued. Individual countries don't have control over the Euro or interest rates.0 -
What is it about the whole EU question which causes so many politicians and voters to engage in utter fantasy? I see Ms Sturgeon is still trying to pretend that there's some mechanism by which Scotland can 'remain' in the EU (or the Single Market) when the UK doesn't.0
-
Would you like to bet on that?HYUFD said:
May backed Remain, it was the English and Welsh electorates decision to vote Leave which led to any indyref2 so of course she would not resignTheScreamingEagles said:It is 7/1 and 8/1 that Theresa May steps down as PM in 2018 and 2019 respectively.
Massive if Scots vote for Independence.
(With Ladbrokes)
If Scotland votes to Leave the UK, Mrs May won't resign?0 -
Appears that Nicla has reacted badly to the Calcutta Cup result ..DavidL said:So once in a generation means every 4 years. Who'd have thought? Well, its a lot easier than trying to run the country.
The Scottish local elections have got more significant too. Going to need my walking shoes.0 -
As a Leaver who also supports Scottish independence (as an Englander), this is shaping up to be a good day.
It is also my birthday, and I've already got my presents, so I am in a contented state.
If only Jezza would announce his resignation...0 -
Every Scottish UK citizen is an EU citizen. The rights of EU citizens will be the first thing on the table in the A50 negotiations. Theresa May will put herself in an impossible position if she is being seen to hold them hostage.Big_G_NorthWales said:
The EU will not negotiate with Scotland until the UK have leftRochdalePioneers said:By the time we get to an independence vote we will already have a Scottish deal in the bag. The EU are going to guarantee their EEA membership with at least fast track membership to the whole thing agreed. They'll be offered a better deal that the floor scrapings we're going to be proffered. And that'll be used as pressure on the rest of the UK.
What can May threaten them with? Throwing them out of the CTA, currency and customs unions? A physical border? People will be laughing in her face.
Bravo Nicola, bravo. A brilliant political gambit. Any Jeremy obsessives reading this - that's what leadership looks like.0 -
Why? It's a golden opportunity for the EU to fuck over May's Brexit operation.Big_G_NorthWales said:
The EU will not negotiate with Scotland until the UK have leftRochdalePioneers said:By the time we get to an independence vote we will already have a Scottish deal in the bag. The EU are going to guarantee their EEA membership with at least fast track membership to the whole thing agreed. They'll be offered a better deal that the floor scrapings we're going to be proffered. And that'll be used as pressure on the rest of the UK.
What can May threaten them with? Throwing them out of the CTA, currency and customs unions? A physical border? People will be laughing in her face.
Bravo Nicola, bravo. A brilliant political gambit. Any Jeremy obsessives reading this - that's what leadership looks like.0 -
Sturgeon mocking Jezza ....
I suppose almost everyone else does but it's a wee bit unsporting to my mind.0 -
Britain is leaving the EU.
Therefore Scotland is leaving the EU.
(The SNP lost SindyRef1).
SIndyRef2 will then come after that, no matter how much Sturgeon might want it sooner.
0 -
There's a naïve belief among the more diehard Remainers that somehow the threat of a Scottish independence referendum is a fitting punishment for the insubordination of English and Welsh voters.RochdalePioneers said:By the time we get to an independence vote we will already have a Scottish deal in the bag. The EU are going to guarantee their EEA membership with at least fast track membership to the whole thing agreed. They'll be offered a better deal that the floor scrapings we're going to be proffered. And that'll be used as pressure on the rest of the UK.
What can May threaten them with? Throwing them out of the CTA, currency and customs unions? A physical border? People will be laughing in her face.
Bravo Nicola, bravo. A brilliant political gambit. Any Jeremy obsessives reading this - that's what leadership looks like.0 -
Not openly.Big_G_NorthWales said:
The EU will not negotiate with Scotland until the UK have leftRochdalePioneers said:By the time we get to an independence vote we will already have a Scottish deal in the bag. The EU are going to guarantee their EEA membership with at least fast track membership to the whole thing agreed. They'll be offered a better deal that the floor scrapings we're going to be proffered. And that'll be used as pressure on the rest of the UK.
What can May threaten them with? Throwing them out of the CTA, currency and customs unions? A physical border? People will be laughing in her face.
Bravo Nicola, bravo. A brilliant political gambit. Any Jeremy obsessives reading this - that's what leadership looks like.
0 -
She has to pretend that because the truth won't look quite as palatable.Richard_Nabavi said:What is it about the whole EU question which causes so many politicians and voters to engage in utter fantasy? I see Ms Sturgeon is trying to pretend that there's some mechansim by which Scotland can 'remain' in the EU when the UK doesn't.
0 -
A central bank backed by what? Printed McPoonds?williamglenn said:
Create a central bank.Sandpit said:
But with no lender of last resort and no control over interest rates. How does one join the EU (and by default the Euro) without their own currency?Big_G_NorthWales said:
Nicola has stated the poundwilliamglenn said:
The Euro.TGOHF said:williamglenn said:
They're not leaving.TGOHF said:I look forward to the SNP plan for rejoining the EU - with details of their budget and currency plans.
What currency will Sindy use ?williamglenn said:
They're not leaving.TGOHF said:I look forward to the SNP plan for rejoining the EU - with details of their budget and currency plans.
Next question?
Next question?0 -
Think buying property in Berwick and Carlisle would be a canny investment0
-
I wonder if the First Minister's announcement today was partly in response to this?
https://twitter.com/soniasodha/status/8412598481342095360 -
Scotland isn't voting on leaving the EU - it's voting on whether to leave it's biggest trading partner and adopt a new currency.TheScreamingEagles said:
Would you like to bet on that?HYUFD said:
May backed Remain, it was the English and Welsh electorates decision to vote Leave which led to any indyref2 so of course she would not resignTheScreamingEagles said:It is 7/1 and 8/1 that Theresa May steps down as PM in 2018 and 2019 respectively.
Massive if Scots vote for Independence.
(With Ladbrokes)
If Scotland votes to Leave the EU, Mrs May won't resign?0 -
Happy Birthday.SandyRentool said:As a Leaver who also supports Scottish independence (as an Englander), this is shaping up to be a good day.
It is also my birthday, and I've already got my presents, so I am in a contented state.
If only Jezza would announce his resignation...0 -
In the event of an indyref Yes vote and May did resign Osborne's best chance would be to run on a hard Scexit platform and a programme of screwing the ScotsTheScreamingEagles said:I've realised if we do get a second Indyref I'll be happy whatever the result.
If Scots vote to remain a part of the UK I'll be able to laugh at the Scot Nats.
If Scots vote to leave the UK I'll be able to blame the Leavers and warn them that Dave/Remain were right. Plus if Mrs May has any honour, she'd resign as PM, just as Dave would have done if the first Indyref had been lost, so George will become PM to fix the mess.0 -
Auto-correct/typo on my part, meant the UK.TGOHF said:
Scotland isn't voting on leaving the EU - it's voting on whether to leave it's biggest trading partner and adopt a new currency.TheScreamingEagles said:
Would you like to bet on that?HYUFD said:
May backed Remain, it was the English and Welsh electorates decision to vote Leave which led to any indyref2 so of course she would not resignTheScreamingEagles said:It is 7/1 and 8/1 that Theresa May steps down as PM in 2018 and 2019 respectively.
Massive if Scots vote for Independence.
(With Ladbrokes)
If Scotland votes to Leave the EU, Mrs May won't resign?0 -
It would be against the treaty obligationsDura_Ace said:
Why? It's a golden opportunity for the EU to fuck over May's Brexit operation.Big_G_NorthWales said:
The EU will not negotiate with Scotland until the UK have leftRochdalePioneers said:By the time we get to an independence vote we will already have a Scottish deal in the bag. The EU are going to guarantee their EEA membership with at least fast track membership to the whole thing agreed. They'll be offered a better deal that the floor scrapings we're going to be proffered. And that'll be used as pressure on the rest of the UK.
What can May threaten them with? Throwing them out of the CTA, currency and customs unions? A physical border? People will be laughing in her face.
Bravo Nicola, bravo. A brilliant political gambit. Any Jeremy obsessives reading this - that's what leadership looks like.0 -
The United Kingdom voted to leave the European Union. The European Union will honour that democratic mandate by giving the United Kingdom a smooth way to break itself apart and hence cease to be a member state.MarkHopkins said:Britain is leaving the EU.
Therefore Scotland is leaving the EU.0 -
The EU will try and stir things up a bit but ultimately they won't offer any special favours to Scotland... If they did they'd be giving succor to nationalists all over the Continent, example Spain.Dura_Ace said:
Why? It's a golden opportunity for the EU to fuck over May's Brexit operation.Big_G_NorthWales said:
The EU will not negotiate with Scotland until the UK have leftRochdalePioneers said:By the time we get to an independence vote we will already have a Scottish deal in the bag. The EU are going to guarantee their EEA membership with at least fast track membership to the whole thing agreed. They'll be offered a better deal that the floor scrapings we're going to be proffered. And that'll be used as pressure on the rest of the UK.
What can May threaten them with? Throwing them out of the CTA, currency and customs unions? A physical border? People will be laughing in her face.
Bravo Nicola, bravo. A brilliant political gambit. Any Jeremy obsessives reading this - that's what leadership looks like.0 -
Have you checked with Spain ?Dura_Ace said:
Why? It's a golden opportunity for the EU to fuck over May's Brexit operation.Big_G_NorthWales said:
The EU will not negotiate with Scotland until the UK have leftRochdalePioneers said:By the time we get to an independence vote we will already have a Scottish deal in the bag. The EU are going to guarantee their EEA membership with at least fast track membership to the whole thing agreed. They'll be offered a better deal that the floor scrapings we're going to be proffered. And that'll be used as pressure on the rest of the UK.
What can May threaten them with? Throwing them out of the CTA, currency and customs unions? A physical border? People will be laughing in her face.
Bravo Nicola, bravo. A brilliant political gambit. Any Jeremy obsessives reading this - that's what leadership looks like.0 -
To be fair, Corbyn will be getting what he wants, too, if the UK breaks-up. But you are right, Sturgeon has played a blinder on this. What will May throw at the Scots to keep them on board? Being the Conservative and Unionist PM who lost the Union would be quite something on her CV.RochdalePioneers said:By the time we get to an independence vote we will already have a Scottish deal in the bag. The EU are going to guarantee their EEA membership with at least fast track membership to the whole thing agreed. They'll be offered a better deal that the floor scrapings we're going to be proffered. And that'll be used as pressure on the rest of the UK.
What can May threaten them with? Throwing them out of the CTA, currency and customs unions? A physical border? People will be laughing in her face.
Bravo Nicola, bravo. A brilliant political gambit. Any Jeremy obsessives reading this - that's what leadership looks like.
0 -
Thank you Mr E - it is a 'big' birthday too!TheScreamingEagles said:
Happy Birthday.SandyRentool said:As a Leaver who also supports Scottish independence (as an Englander), this is shaping up to be a good day.
It is also my birthday, and I've already got my presents, so I am in a contented state.
If only Jezza would announce his resignation...0 -
Precisely wrong. They will be sending a message that this is what would happen if Spain as a whole ever tried to leave the EU.GIN1138 said:
The EU will try and stir things up a bit but ultimately they won't offer any special favours to Scotland... If they did they'd be given succor to nationalists all over the Continent, example Spain.Dura_Ace said:
Why? It's a golden opportunity for the EU to fuck over May's Brexit operation.Big_G_NorthWales said:
The EU will not negotiate with Scotland until the UK have leftRochdalePioneers said:By the time we get to an independence vote we will already have a Scottish deal in the bag. The EU are going to guarantee their EEA membership with at least fast track membership to the whole thing agreed. They'll be offered a better deal that the floor scrapings we're going to be proffered. And that'll be used as pressure on the rest of the UK.
What can May threaten them with? Throwing them out of the CTA, currency and customs unions? A physical border? People will be laughing in her face.
Bravo Nicola, bravo. A brilliant political gambit. Any Jeremy obsessives reading this - that's what leadership looks like.0 -
Even if she thinks it's nonsense herself, it's a convenient position, isn't it? Who's going to pooh-pooh her? Nasty unionists who are denying it to suit their own agenda, clearly. It's a nice position to be in when anyone who calls you out can be dismissed as biased due to being a non-believer and wrecker.Richard_Nabavi said:What is it about the whole EU question which causes so many politicians and voters to engage in utter fantasy? I see Ms Sturgeon is trying to pretend that there's some mechansim by which Scotland can 'remain' in the EU when the UK doesn't.
0 -
21st?SandyRentool said:
Thank you Mr E - it is a 'big' birthday too!TheScreamingEagles said:
Happy Birthday.SandyRentool said:As a Leaver who also supports Scottish independence (as an Englander), this is shaping up to be a good day.
It is also my birthday, and I've already got my presents, so I am in a contented state.
If only Jezza would announce his resignation...0 -
Quite possibly, Mr. Observer, but just about all the reasons put forward for why the UK should remain in the EU have been about the economics. You can't have it both ways.SouthamObserver said:
The polling shows Scotland split down the middle. If Scotland votes to stay it will be for economic reasons only. That is not sustainable.TGOHF said:
Yawn - you just ignoring polling north of the border again ?SouthamObserver said:What else was anyone expecting? Brexit was inevitably going to lead to a second independence referendum. The UK has had its day. Just as England has drifted inexorably away from the EU, so Scotland is drifting inexorably away from England and Wales. Northern Ireland is too. It's all very sad, but there is no sustainable British demos anymore. Last June's vote was the final nail in its coffin.
If Scotland wants to set out on her own then let her go. Who gives a toss? The practicalities, as effect England, we will work through (a couple of hundred miles of razor wire should solve most of them).0 -
The truth will out - she’ll go the same way as Alex Salmond in the end.Richard_Nabavi said:What is it about the whole EU question which causes so many politicians and voters to engage in utter fantasy? I see Ms Sturgeon is still trying to pretend that there's some mechanism by which Scotland can 'remain' in the EU (or the Single Market) when the UK doesn't.
0 -
Once Scotland is an independent country, Spain has no leg to stand on. Plenty can be done in advance of that. And on Day One of independence Scotland can have a special relationship with the EU.TGOHF said:
Have you checked with Spain ?Dura_Ace said:
Why? It's a golden opportunity for the EU to fuck over May's Brexit operation.Big_G_NorthWales said:
The EU will not negotiate with Scotland until the UK have leftRochdalePioneers said:By the time we get to an independence vote we will already have a Scottish deal in the bag. The EU are going to guarantee their EEA membership with at least fast track membership to the whole thing agreed. They'll be offered a better deal that the floor scrapings we're going to be proffered. And that'll be used as pressure on the rest of the UK.
What can May threaten them with? Throwing them out of the CTA, currency and customs unions? A physical border? People will be laughing in her face.
Bravo Nicola, bravo. A brilliant political gambit. Any Jeremy obsessives reading this - that's what leadership looks like.
0 -
You have misinterpreted the implications of the fantasy scenario. The rUK cannot leave.Richard_Nabavi said:What is it about the whole EU question which causes so many politicians and voters to engage in utter fantasy? I see Ms Sturgeon is still trying to pretend that there's some mechanism by which Scotland can 'remain' in the EU (or the Single Market) when the UK doesn't.
0 -
Something of an overreaction I would say, despite the considerable disappointment.TGOHF said:
Appears that Nicla has reacted badly to the Calcutta Cup result ..DavidL said:So once in a generation means every 4 years. Who'd have thought? Well, its a lot easier than trying to run the country.
The Scottish local elections have got more significant too. Going to need my walking shoes.0 -
Suspect the Conservative campaign for the May local elections in Scotland just received a significant boost.
0 -
Hopefully nothing whatsoever. Scots have no right to special treatment.SouthamObserver said:What will May throw at the Scots to keep them on board?
0 -
Just imagine how angry you'll be if Scotland opts to remain in the UK.williamglenn said:
The United Kingdom voted to leave the European Union. The European Union will honour that democratic mandate by giving the United Kingdom a smooth way to break itself apart and hence cease to be a member state.MarkHopkins said:Britain is leaving the EU.
Therefore Scotland is leaving the EU.0 -
Yep, my case for staying in the EU was economic. I lost. I get that people vote for reasons that go beyond economics.HurstLlama said:
Quite possibly, Mr. Observer, but just about all the reasons put forward for why the UK should remain in the EU have been about the economics. You can't have it both ways.SouthamObserver said:
The polling shows Scotland split down the middle. If Scotland votes to stay it will be for economic reasons only. That is not sustainable.TGOHF said:
Yawn - you just ignoring polling north of the border again ?SouthamObserver said:What else was anyone expecting? Brexit was inevitably going to lead to a second independence referendum. The UK has had its day. Just as England has drifted inexorably away from the EU, so Scotland is drifting inexorably away from England and Wales. Northern Ireland is too. It's all very sad, but there is no sustainable British demos anymore. Last June's vote was the final nail in its coffin.
If Scotland wants to set out on her own then let her go. Who gives a toss? The practicalities, as effect England, we will work through (a couple of hundred miles of razor wire should solve most of them).
0 -
I'd look like this:Sean_F said:
Just imagine how angry you'll be if Scotland opts to remain in the UK.williamglenn said:
The United Kingdom voted to leave the European Union. The European Union will honour that democratic mandate by giving the United Kingdom a smooth way to break itself apart and hence cease to be a member state.MarkHopkins said:Britain is leaving the EU.
Therefore Scotland is leaving the EU.
0 -
Absolutely so. I've voted Conservative at every GE since eligible but feel strongly repelled by the present post-referendum iteration of the brand.David_Evershed said:
Lib Dems should be seducing Conservative Remainers.
I'm very patiently waiting to be seduced by the Lib Dems but nothing much seems to be happening on that front. I'm guessing it might be something to do with the fact that although I hate the idea of Brexit I accept it whereas that is not quite where the Lib Dems are.
Either way there's nothing on offer from any party right now that could tempt me to slip paper into the ballot box slot.
0 -
I think we're about to find out where all those donations have been going that haven't been going to the SNP.0
-
It's a convenient position in the short term, but a strategy based on assuming your voters are half-wits tends to run into trouble, especially if they are.MyBurningEars said:Even if she thinks it's nonsense herself, it's a convenient position, isn't it? Who's going to pooh-pooh her? Nasty unionists who are denying it to suit their own agenda, clearly. It's a nice position to be in when anyone who calls you out can be dismissed as biased due to being a non-believer and wrecker.
In any case, the people who are going to pooh-pooh her are our EU friends.0 -
And they willSean_F said:
Just imagine how angry you'll be if Scotland opts to remain in the UK.williamglenn said:
The United Kingdom voted to leave the European Union. The European Union will honour that democratic mandate by giving the United Kingdom a smooth way to break itself apart and hence cease to be a member state.MarkHopkins said:Britain is leaving the EU.
Therefore Scotland is leaving the EU.0
![[Deleted User]](https://wd.vanillicon.com/d2ea526b1b06ed109333f390c7ae956b_100.png)
