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Dow 36000 was published in 1999 and sold well. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dow_36,000glw said:
I remember how before the dot.coms imploded you used to get all sorts of mad Dow and Nasdaq forecasts, the people making them must have been huffing paint.Alanbrooke said:except of course events will just wipe out all the nerdy assumptions people make.
a 2004 forecast for this year would be full of frothy "new economy" crap and ignore the great recession, Brexit and Trump
Why our forecast of 13 years hence should be more accurate eludes me.
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tskSouthamObserver said:
I don't know about the others, but I genuinely don't know why Kate Hoey is in the Labour party.surbiton said:
Why the fuck do they not join the Tories as they are just that ?Richard_Tyndall said:
All long time Eurosceptics and members of the Labour Safeguards group.dr_spyn said:
so much for diversity
is it because shes a woman ?
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@MrHarryCole: Tory Minister on @George_Osborne skipping the Article 50 to give speech in Antwerp: "money not a migraine". pic.twitter.com/2tX1UZXB6U0
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Labour Changes - May 16/Feb 17
18-24: 40 (-6)
25-34: 34 (-6)
35-64: 27 (-7)
65+:....17 (+1)
AB: 23 (-5)
C1: 23 (-10)
C2: 29 (+1)
DE: 32 (-5)
Scotland: 12 (-4)
Wales: 34 (+2)
North: 31 (-6) - Copeland???
Midlands: 23 (-7) - Stoke
South: 23 (-5)
Remain 36 (-8)
Leave 15 (-5)0 -
It's more because she gives every impression of being a right wing Tory.Alanbrooke said:
tskSouthamObserver said:
I don't know about the others, but I genuinely don't know why Kate Hoey is in the Labour party.surbiton said:
Why the fuck do they not join the Tories as they are just that ?Richard_Tyndall said:
All long time Eurosceptics and members of the Labour Safeguards group.dr_spyn said:
so much for diversity
is it because shes a woman ?
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It's the feeling of liberation as you fly past the 50th floor on the way down to the ground.glw said:
That's quite something, so against all prevailing wisdom the Europe issue is working out very nicely for the Tories.chestnut said:Guardian Poll with changes to last online VI poll before the referendum
Con 42 (+8)
Lab 27 (-5)
UKIP 12 (-5)
LD 10 (+3)0 -
It's the cherry on top.SouthamObserver said:
Not sure "it'll wind up the lefties" is such a great reason for leaving the Single Market.Casino_Royale said:Gove in full Vote Leave mode in the Commons.
He's like a catalyst for winding up the Labour benches, and seems to be thoroughly enjoying himself.0 -
Nah, it sounds a bit contrived.Alanbrooke said:
does rubbing the lefts nose in our own culture sound better ?SouthamObserver said:
Not sure "it'll wind up the lefties" is such a great reason for leaving the Single Market.Casino_Royale said:Gove in full Vote Leave mode in the Commons.
He's like a catalyst for winding up the Labour benches, and seems to be thoroughly enjoying himself.
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It's not much but don't think your maths is right:MTimT said:BBC story about the Brexit vote holds this absolute nugget:
"The UK's economy could be 3% smaller by 2030 than if Britain had voted Remain, according to forecasts in the IFS's annual Green Budget."
For there to be only a 3% difference 13 years down the road, how small does the fall in annual GDP growth have to be? 1.5% instead of 1.7%.
That is the economic armageddon we are supposed to dread. A fall in annual GDP GROWTH of 2 thousandths of the economy.
That is the equivalent of a person on 40k pa getting annual raises of 40 pence less per week than would otherwise be the case.
(2/1,000) * 40,000 = 80
£80 per year = £1.60 per week0 -
Looks like some Kippers and LibDems going home.glw said:
That's quite something, so against all prevailing wisdom the Europe issue is working out very nicely for the Tories.chestnut said:Guardian Poll with changes to last online VI poll before the referendum
Con 42 (+8)
Lab 27 (-5)
UKIP 12 (-5)
LD 10 (+3)0 -
well trade you Kate Hoey for Anna Soubry :-)SouthamObserver said:
It's more because she gives every impression of being a right wing Tory.Alanbrooke said:
tskSouthamObserver said:
I don't know about the others, but I genuinely don't know why Kate Hoey is in the Labour party.surbiton said:
Why the fuck do they not join the Tories as they are just that ?Richard_Tyndall said:
All long time Eurosceptics and members of the Labour Safeguards group.dr_spyn said:
so much for diversity
is it because shes a woman ?0 -
PB medieval scholars may like this little blast from the past:
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Don't get me started on housing.Fishing said:
Doing something sensible on housing and the Green Belt would swamp any Brexit impact, and raise living standards for the JAMs ...TheWhiteRabbit said:
3% by 2030 places Brexit alongside many other policy developments in terms of impact on GDP.Alanbrooke said:
I was amazed Carney was still pumping the slower growth theme given how poor his forecasts have been to date. I would have thought he would want to let it gently disappear from view.MTimT said:BBC story about the Brexit vote holds this absolute nugget:
"The UK's economy could be 3% smaller by 2030 than if Britain had voted Remain, according to forecasts in the IFS's annual Green Budget."
For there to be only a 3% difference 13 years down the road, how small does the fall in annual GDP growth have to be? 1.5% instead of 1.7%.
That is the economic armageddon we are supposed to dread. A fall in annual GDP GROWTH of 2 thousandths of the economy.
That is the equivalent of a person on 40k pa getting annual raises of 40 pence less per week than would otherwise be the case.
Even tim had better ideas than thirty years of governments of all colours.0 -
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Just bought what i thought was a yoghurt, it was porridge, what kind pervert mind puts porrige in the sweet section.
I need a food phrase book.0 -
https://www.theyworkforyou.com/mp/10282/kate_hoey/vauxhall/votesSouthamObserver said:
I don't know about the others, but I genuinely don't know why Kate Hoey is in the Labour party.surbiton said:
Why the fuck do they not join the Tories as they are just that ?Richard_Tyndall said:
All long time Eurosceptics and members of the Labour Safeguards group.dr_spyn said:
Doesn't look that right wing to me, specifically on foreign and some other issues.0 -
Not MaxPB are you ?GnomeinZurich said:Just bought what i thought was a yoghurt, it was porridge, what kind pervert mind puts porrige in the sweet section.
I need a food phrase book.0 -
Well who'd have thought Corbyn would have got it wrong again!0
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Anna certainly seems to be more to the left than Kate, who I suspect may be one of the few Labour MPs deselected before the next GE.Alanbrooke said:
well trade you Kate Hoey for Anna Soubry :-)SouthamObserver said:
It's more because she gives every impression of being a right wing Tory.Alanbrooke said:
tskSouthamObserver said:
I don't know about the others, but I genuinely don't know why Kate Hoey is in the Labour party.surbiton said:
Why the fuck do they not join the Tories as they are just that ?Richard_Tyndall said:
All long time Eurosceptics and members of the Labour Safeguards group.dr_spyn said:
so much for diversity
is it because shes a woman ?
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Here's my impersonation of Justin: "Wonderful news for Labour. They are increasing their share of the demographic that votes the most!"chestnut said:Labour Changes - May 16/Feb 17
18-24: 40 (-6)
25-34: 34 (-6)
35-64: 27 (-7)
65+:....17 (+1)
AB: 23 (-5)
C1: 23 (-10)
C2: 29 (+1)
DE: 32 (-5)
Scotland: 12 (-4)
Wales: 34 (+2)
North: 31 (-6) - Copeland???
Midlands: 23 (-7) - Stoke
South: 23 (-5)
Remain 36 (-8)
Leave 15 (-5)0 -
is that picture an 80s original?!Pulpstar said:
https://www.theyworkforyou.com/mp/10282/kate_hoey/vauxhall/votesSouthamObserver said:
I don't know about the others, but I genuinely don't know why Kate Hoey is in the Labour party.surbiton said:
Why the fuck do they not join the Tories as they are just that ?Richard_Tyndall said:
All long time Eurosceptics and members of the Labour Safeguards group.dr_spyn said:
Doesn't look that right wing to me, specifically on foreign and some other issues.0 -
Oh well no donation to the guardian lifeboat fund from me then.MikeL said:
It's not much but don't think your maths is right:MTimT said:BBC story about the Brexit vote holds this absolute nugget:
"The UK's economy could be 3% smaller by 2030 than if Britain had voted Remain, according to forecasts in the IFS's annual Green Budget."
For there to be only a 3% difference 13 years down the road, how small does the fall in annual GDP growth have to be? 1.5% instead of 1.7%.
That is the economic armageddon we are supposed to dread. A fall in annual GDP GROWTH of 2 thousandths of the economy.
That is the equivalent of a person on 40k pa getting annual raises of 40 pence less per week than would otherwise be the case.
(2/1,000) * 40,000 = 80
£80 per year = £1.60 per week0 -
Contrast Osborne with Nick Boles coming out of hospital to vote tonight.0
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I am not. Do you win a fiver if I am ?Pulpstar said:
Not MaxPB are you ?GnomeinZurich said:Just bought what i thought was a yoghurt, it was porridge, what kind pervert mind puts porrige in the sweet section.
I need a food phrase book.0 -
Even when the picture of Boris looking embarrassed in front of £350,000,000 for the NHS has lost it's shine this classic of Kate Hoey will still be out and proudScott_P said:0 -
Or porridge in a yoghurt shaped container.GnomeinZurich said:Just bought what i thought was a yoghurt, it was porridge, what kind pervert mind puts porrige in the sweet section.
I need a food phrase book.
I believe there is a translate app for android which will translate as you scan0 -
She voted for Brexit, so she must be a right wing Tory who owns the resultPulpstar said:
https://www.theyworkforyou.com/mp/10282/kate_hoey/vauxhall/votesSouthamObserver said:
I don't know about the others, but I genuinely don't know why Kate Hoey is in the Labour party.surbiton said:
Why the fuck do they not join the Tories as they are just that ?Richard_Tyndall said:
All long time Eurosceptics and members of the Labour Safeguards group.dr_spyn said:
Doesn't look that right wing to me, specifically on foreign and some other issues.
Selfish pensioner too ugh0 -
assuming she doesnt retire anyway as shell be heading 74 at next GESouthamObserver said:
Anna certainly seems to be more to the left than Kate, who I suspect may be one of the few Labour MPs deselected before the next GE.Alanbrooke said:
well trade you Kate Hoey for Anna Soubry :-)SouthamObserver said:
It's more because she gives every impression of being a right wing Tory.Alanbrooke said:
tskSouthamObserver said:
I don't know about the others, but I genuinely don't know why Kate Hoey is in the Labour party.surbiton said:
Why the fuck do they not join the Tories as they are just that ?Richard_Tyndall said:
All long time Eurosceptics and members of the Labour Safeguards group.dr_spyn said:
so much for diversity
is it because shes a woman ?0 -
That is genuinely funny!foxinsoxuk said:PB medieval scholars may like this little blast from the past:
https://twitter.com/donaeldunready/status/8289754093415956500 -
Interesting - cheers. She looks to hold positions that UKIP should if it really wants to challenge Labour in its heartlands.Pulpstar said:
https://www.theyworkforyou.com/mp/10282/kate_hoey/vauxhall/votesSouthamObserver said:
I don't know about the others, but I genuinely don't know why Kate Hoey is in the Labour party.surbiton said:
Why the fuck do they not join the Tories as they are just that ?Richard_Tyndall said:
All long time Eurosceptics and members of the Labour Safeguards group.dr_spyn said:
Doesn't look that right wing to me, specifically on foreign and some other issues.
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LD changes since May 16
18-24: 2 (-4)
25-34: 13 (+8)
35-64: 10 (+3)
65+:....8 (+3)
AB: 14 (+4)
C1: 11 (+5)
C2: 5 (+3)
DE: 6 (=)
Scotland: 9 (+4)
Wales: 8 (+2)
North: 9 (+4)
Midlands: 9 (+3)
South: 12 (+3)
Remain 15 (+6)
Leave 5 (+2)
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Either RedLaser or PriceCheck apps for iPhone.Ishmael_Z said:
Or porridge in a yoghurt shaped container.GnomeinZurich said:Just bought what i thought was a yoghurt, it was porridge, what kind pervert mind puts porrige in the sweet section.
I need a food phrase book.
I believe there is a translate app for android which will translate as you scan0 -
@SouthamObserver
Kate Hoey is to the right of most Tories - it is a mystery why she is even in the Labour Party (other than being guaranteed a place in parliament on a red rosette ticket in blood scarlet Vauxhall). That said, the Labour Leavers are an odd and motley bunch: Hoey a right winger who is in the wrong party, Ronnie Campbell an ultra socialist twice-arrested striking miner who opposes gay marriage; Gisela Stuart a German immigrant hardcore eurosceptic; and Kelvin Hopkins a hard left winger who hates Europe more than Nigel Farage.0 -
@PolhomeEditor: Senior Labour MP on Sir Keir Starmer hailing the Govt's A50 vote 'concession': "He must think Leicester hammered Man Utd 0-3 on Sunday too."0
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What Vauxhall has done to deserve her is unclear.SouthamObserver said:
Anna certainly seems to be more to the left than Kate, who I suspect may be one of the few Labour MPs deselected before the next GE.Alanbrooke said:
well trade you Kate Hoey for Anna Soubry :-)SouthamObserver said:
It's more because she gives every impression of being a right wing Tory.Alanbrooke said:
tskSouthamObserver said:
I don't know about the others, but I genuinely don't know why Kate Hoey is in the Labour party.surbiton said:
Why the fuck do they not join the Tories as they are just that ?Richard_Tyndall said:
All long time Eurosceptics and members of the Labour Safeguards group.dr_spyn said:
so much for diversity
is it because shes a woman ?
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When Farage was bigging up the defections he was going to get from the Tory party, he also suggested some Labour MPs were on the brink of splitting.SouthamObserver said:
Interesting - cheers. She looks to hold positions that UKIP should if it really wants to challenge Labour in its heartlands.Pulpstar said:
https://www.theyworkforyou.com/mp/10282/kate_hoey/vauxhall/votesSouthamObserver said:
I don't know about the others, but I genuinely don't know why Kate Hoey is in the Labour party.surbiton said:
Why the fuck do they not join the Tories as they are just that ?Richard_Tyndall said:
All long time Eurosceptics and members of the Labour Safeguards group.dr_spyn said:
Doesn't look that right wing to me, specifically on foreign and some other issues.
In a parallel universe, Hoey could be leader of UKIP right now...
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I suspect many moderates would bite your hand off Alan. However, as a friend I would not wish her on you!Alanbrooke said:
well trade you Kate Hoey for Anna Soubry :-)SouthamObserver said:
It's more because she gives every impression of being a right wing Tory.Alanbrooke said:
tskSouthamObserver said:
I don't know about the others, but I genuinely don't know why Kate Hoey is in the Labour party.surbiton said:
Why the fuck do they not join the Tories as they are just that ?Richard_Tyndall said:
All long time Eurosceptics and members of the Labour Safeguards group.dr_spyn said:
so much for diversity
is it because shes a woman ?0 -
Oooh thanks Ishmael i will have a look for thatIshmael_Z said:
Or porridge in a yoghurt shaped container.GnomeinZurich said:Just bought what i thought was a yoghurt, it was porridge, what kind pervert mind puts porrige in the sweet section.
I need a food phrase book.
I believe there is a translate app for android which will translate as you scan0 -
soJobabob said:@SouthamObserver
Kate Hoey is to the right of most Tories - it is a mystery why she is even in the Labour Party (other than being guaranteed a place in parliament on a red rosette ticket in blood scarlet Vauxhall). That said, the Labour Leavers are an odd and motley bunch: Hoey a right winger who is in the wrong party, Ronnie Campbell an ultra socialist twice-arrested striking miner who opposes gay marriage; Gisela Stuart a German immigrant hardcore eurosceptic; and Kelvin Hopkins a hard left winger who hates Europe more than Nigel Farage.
you dont like women
you dont like ethnics
you dont like oldies
you dont like lefties
diversity in action0 -
oops! Did one two-thousandth rather than two one-thousandths ...FrancisUrquhart said:
Oh well no donation to the guardian lifeboat fund from me then.MikeL said:
It's not much but don't think your maths is right:MTimT said:BBC story about the Brexit vote holds this absolute nugget:
"The UK's economy could be 3% smaller by 2030 than if Britain had voted Remain, according to forecasts in the IFS's annual Green Budget."
For there to be only a 3% difference 13 years down the road, how small does the fall in annual GDP growth have to be? 1.5% instead of 1.7%.
That is the economic armageddon we are supposed to dread. A fall in annual GDP GROWTH of 2 thousandths of the economy.
That is the equivalent of a person on 40k pa getting annual raises of 40 pence less per week than would otherwise be the case.
(2/1,000) * 40,000 = 80
£80 per year = £1.60 per week0 -
Thank you, Mr. Star. He was a stray who adopted us in 2002 and was, according to the vet, about six years old then. So he had a good innings. Aside from the first three weeks of our marriage, it is the first time in wife's life she has not had at least one cat about the place and I have to admit it does feel strange.Pulpstar said:
OhHurstLlama said:
Wotcha, Mr. Brooke. Got the decorators in, which makes life bloody grizzly and the cat died last month so Herself is still in mourning and moping around the house. Oh, and my back is giving me major gip (am having to use a stick on my morning walk). On the bright side the local off-licence is doing a deal, a litre of The Grouse for seventeen quid, so at least the pain-killer is cheap, and my son hasn't asked for money for a good three weeks. On the whole, mustn't grumble,Alanbrooke said:
Mr LHurstLlama said:
Also chocolate and beer. Not to mention the cheapest cigars in Western Europe, inventing mayonnaise with chips and being able to run reasonably successfully without an elected government.Alanbrooke said:
Belgium - famous for sexual deviancyScott_P said:
@JasonGroves1: George Osborne missed tonight's Brexit vote despite a three-line whip. Giving a speech on Brexit in Antwerp apparently...Alanbrooke said:probably enjoying a lash of the whip elsewhere
All told Belgium has some good things going for it. Shame the place is such a dump.
good evening, hope 2017 is treating you well
Sad to hear about your kitty ;[
However, the big downside is that Herself is talking about using this feline interregnum as a chance for us to going travelling. Together! She has already fixed up a mini-break in Durham in April and is talking about a cruise! I need to find a couple of stray cats quickly.0 -
I can clear that up for you. Voted for her.Jobabob said:
What Vauxhall has done to deserve her is unclear.SouthamObserver said:
Anna certainly seems to be more to the left than Kate, who I suspect may be one of the few Labour MPs deselected before the next GE.Alanbrooke said:
well trade you Kate Hoey for Anna Soubry :-)SouthamObserver said:
It's more because she gives every impression of being a right wing Tory.Alanbrooke said:
tskSouthamObserver said:
I don't know about the others, but I genuinely don't know why Kate Hoey is in the Labour party.surbiton said:
Why the fuck do they not join the Tories as they are just that ?Richard_Tyndall said:
All long time Eurosceptics and members of the Labour Safeguards group.dr_spyn said:
so much for diversity
is it because shes a woman ?0 -
Why doesn't the nation just realign on Leave/Remain lines? We'll have Greater London, the Cotswolds, all of Scotland, Manchester, Liverpool and Newcastle. Leave can have Doncaster and the rest.0
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Or just a couple of strays (-;HurstLlama said:
Thank you, Mr. Star. He was a stray who adopted us in 2002 and was, according to the vet, about six years old then. So he had a good innings. Aside from the first three weeks of our marriage, it is the first time in wife's life she has not had at least one cat about the place and I have to admit it does feel strange.Pulpstar said:
OhHurstLlama said:
Wotcha, Mr. Brooke. Got the decorators in, which makes life bloody grizzly and the cat died last month so Herself is still in mourning and moping around the house. Oh, and my back is giving me major gip (am having to use a stick on my morning walk). On the bright side the local off-licence is doing a deal, a litre of The Grouse for seventeen quid, so at least the pain-killer is cheap, and my son hasn't asked for money for a good three weeks. On the whole, mustn't grumble,Alanbrooke said:
Mr LHurstLlama said:
Also chocolate and beer. Not to mention the cheapest cigars in Western Europe, inventing mayonnaise with chips and being able to run reasonably successfully without an elected government.Alanbrooke said:
Belgium - famous for sexual deviancyScott_P said:
@JasonGroves1: George Osborne missed tonight's Brexit vote despite a three-line whip. Giving a speech on Brexit in Antwerp apparently...Alanbrooke said:probably enjoying a lash of the whip elsewhere
All told Belgium has some good things going for it. Shame the place is such a dump.
good evening, hope 2017 is treating you well
Sad to hear about your kitty ;[
However, the big downside is that Herself is talking about using this feline interregnum as a chance for us to going travelling. Together! She has already fixed up a mini-break in Durham in April and is talking about a cruise! I need to find a couple of stray cats quickly.0 -
Just a thickoe...isam said:
She voted for Brexit, so she must be a right wing Tory who owns the resultPulpstar said:
https://www.theyworkforyou.com/mp/10282/kate_hoey/vauxhall/votesSouthamObserver said:
I don't know about the others, but I genuinely don't know why Kate Hoey is in the Labour party.surbiton said:
Why the fuck do they not join the Tories as they are just that ?Richard_Tyndall said:
All long time Eurosceptics and members of the Labour Safeguards group.dr_spyn said:
Doesn't look that right wing to me, specifically on foreign and some other issues.
Selfish pensioner too ugh0 -
They would vote for you too if you wore a red rosette and stood for Labour.MonikerDiCanio said:
I can clear that up for you. Voted for her.Jobabob said:
What Vauxhall has done to deserve her is unclear.SouthamObserver said:
Anna certainly seems to be more to the left than Kate, who I suspect may be one of the few Labour MPs deselected before the next GE.Alanbrooke said:
well trade you Kate Hoey for Anna Soubry :-)SouthamObserver said:
It's more because she gives every impression of being a right wing Tory.Alanbrooke said:
tskSouthamObserver said:
I don't know about the others, but I genuinely don't know why Kate Hoey is in the Labour party.surbiton said:
Why the fuck do they not join the Tories as they are just that ?Richard_Tyndall said:
All long time Eurosceptics and members of the Labour Safeguards group.dr_spyn said:
so much for diversity
is it because shes a woman ?
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Bit harsh! I wasn't saying that!Alanbrooke said:
soJobabob said:@SouthamObserver
Kate Hoey is to the right of most Tories - it is a mystery why she is even in the Labour Party (other than being guaranteed a place in parliament on a red rosette ticket in blood scarlet Vauxhall). That said, the Labour Leavers are an odd and motley bunch: Hoey a right winger who is in the wrong party, Ronnie Campbell an ultra socialist twice-arrested striking miner who opposes gay marriage; Gisela Stuart a German immigrant hardcore eurosceptic; and Kelvin Hopkins a hard left winger who hates Europe more than Nigel Farage.
you dont like women
you dont like ethnics
you dont like oldies
you dont like lefties
diversity in action0 -
ah come on JaBJobabob said:
Bit harsh! I wasn't saying that!Alanbrooke said:
soJobabob said:@SouthamObserver
Kate Hoey is to the right of most Tories - it is a mystery why she is even in the Labour Party (other than being guaranteed a place in parliament on a red rosette ticket in blood scarlet Vauxhall). That said, the Labour Leavers are an odd and motley bunch: Hoey a right winger who is in the wrong party, Ronnie Campbell an ultra socialist twice-arrested striking miner who opposes gay marriage; Gisela Stuart a German immigrant hardcore eurosceptic; and Kelvin Hopkins a hard left winger who hates Europe more than Nigel Farage.
you dont like women
you dont like ethnics
you dont like oldies
you dont like lefties
diversity in action
these days Labour is all about middle class white blokes and their partners.
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I don't share your low opinion of Labour voters.Jobabob said:
They would vote for you too if you wore a red rosette and stood for Labour.MonikerDiCanio said:
I can clear that up for you. Voted for her.Jobabob said:
What Vauxhall has done to deserve her is unclear.SouthamObserver said:
Anna certainly seems to be more to the left than Kate, who I suspect may be one of the few Labour MPs deselected before the next GE.Alanbrooke said:
well trade you Kate Hoey for Anna Soubry :-)SouthamObserver said:
It's more because she gives every impression of being a right wing Tory.Alanbrooke said:
tskSouthamObserver said:
I don't know about the others, but I genuinely don't know why Kate Hoey is in the Labour party.surbiton said:
Why the fuck do they not join the Tories as they are just that ?Richard_Tyndall said:
All long time Eurosceptics and members of the Labour Safeguards group.dr_spyn said:
so much for diversity
is it because shes a woman ?0 -
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You've already got the campaign patter down pat!MonikerDiCanio said:
I don't share your low opinion of Labour voters.Jobabob said:
They would vote for you too if you wore a red rosette and stood for Labour.MonikerDiCanio said:I can clear that up for you. Voted for her.
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That's good, but wouldn't the Donald cleave more to his mother's Norse heritage? Dómhnall Smallhand, or Cnut Gråbber perhaps?foxinsoxuk said:PB medieval scholars may like this little blast from the past:
https://twitter.com/donaeldunready/status/8289754093415956500 -
Ha! Bravo!MonikerDiCanio said:
I don't share your low opinion of Labour voters.Jobabob said:
They would vote for you too if you wore a red rosette and stood for Labour.MonikerDiCanio said:
I can clear that up for you. Voted for her.Jobabob said:
What Vauxhall has done to deserve her is unclear.SouthamObserver said:
Anna certainly seems to be more to the left than Kate, who I suspect may be one of the few Labour MPs deselected before the next GE.Alanbrooke said:
well trade you Kate Hoey for Anna Soubry :-)SouthamObserver said:
It's more because she gives every impression of being a right wing Tory.Alanbrooke said:
tskSouthamObserver said:
I don't know about the others, but I genuinely don't know why Kate Hoey is in the Labour party.surbiton said:
Why the fuck do they not join the Tories as they are just that ?Richard_Tyndall said:
All long time Eurosceptics and members of the Labour Safeguards group.dr_spyn said:
so much for diversity
is it because shes a woman ?0 -
The Thames flotilla was definitely the funniest moment of the Referendum.Scott_P said:
Everything about it was pure farce (Bob Geldof and his multi-millionaires, Farage and Hoey, the Grimsby fishermen turning their hoses on the millionaires, etc...)
The only thing missing was one of the boats sinking... But you can't have everything.
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In the future everyone will be tbe leader of UKIP for 15 minutes.MyBurningEars said:
When Farage was bigging up the defections he was going to get from the Tory party, he also suggested some Labour MPs were on the brink of splitting.SouthamObserver said:
Interesting - cheers. She looks to hold positions that UKIP should if it really wants to challenge Labour in its heartlands.Pulpstar said:
https://www.theyworkforyou.com/mp/10282/kate_hoey/vauxhall/votesSouthamObserver said:
I don't know about the others, but I genuinely don't know why Kate Hoey is in the Labour party.surbiton said:
Why the fuck do they not join the Tories as they are just that ?Richard_Tyndall said:
All long time Eurosceptics and members of the Labour Safeguards group.dr_spyn said:
Doesn't look that right wing to me, specifically on foreign and some other issues.
In a parallel universe, Hoey could be leader of UKIP right now...0 -
Amusing that Bob has such a low view of Vauxhall voters - a constituency with a 78% Remain vote.MonikerDiCanio said:
I don't share your low opinion of Labour voters.Jobabob said:
They would vote for you too if you wore a red rosette and stood for Labour.MonikerDiCanio said:
I can clear that up for you. Voted for her.Jobabob said:
What Vauxhall has done to deserve her is unclear.SouthamObserver said:
Anna certainly seems to be more to the left than Kate, who I suspect may be one of the few Labour MPs deselected before the next GE.Alanbrooke said:
well trade you Kate Hoey for Anna Soubry :-)SouthamObserver said:
It's more because she gives every impression of being a right wing Tory.Alanbrooke said:
tskSouthamObserver said:
I don't know about the others, but I genuinely don't know why Kate Hoey is in the Labour party.surbiton said:
Why the fuck do they not join the Tories as they are just that ?Richard_Tyndall said:
All long time Eurosceptics and members of the Labour Safeguards group.dr_spyn said:
so much for diversity
is it because shes a woman ?
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Nige looks as if he was laughing too hard & has followed through just a TEENY bit.GIN1138 said:
The Thames flotilla was definitely the funniest moment of the Referendum.Scott_P said:
Everything about it was pure farce (Bob Geldof and his multi-millionaires, Farage and Hoey, the Grimsby fishermen turning their hoses on the millionaires, etc...)
The only thing missing was one of the boats sinking... But you can't have everything.0 -
If Stuart Hall wasn't detained at Her Majesty's pleasure we could have had EURef Sans Frontières.GIN1138 said:The only thing missing was one of the boats sinking... But you can't have everything.
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Because the nice Remain voting areas wouldn't want you.Jobabob said:Why doesn't the nation just realign on Leave/Remain lines? We'll have Greater London, the Cotswolds, all of Scotland, Manchester, Liverpool and Newcastle. Leave can have Doncaster and the rest.
Take a look at the AV map:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Kingdom_Alternative_Vote_referendum,_2011#/media/File:United_Kingdom_AV_referendum_area_results.svg
You get the green dots.
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Very goodTheuniondivvie said:Dómhnall Smallhand, or Cnut Gråbber perhaps?
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Louise!!!Alanbrooke said:
Belgium - famous for sexual deviancyScott_P said:
@JasonGroves1: George Osborne missed tonight's Brexit vote despite a three-line whip. Giving a speech on Brexit in Antwerp apparently...Alanbrooke said:probably enjoying a lash of the whip elsewhere
(a tim memorial moment...)0 -
The ongoing problem with Corbyn is that there is no strategy. As people point out here repeatedly, his support for triggering Article 50 and leaving the EU is undermined by the positions he has taken on issues of importance to labour voters, like his wholehearted endorsement of freedom of movement, unlimited immigration etc, IRA terrorists etc. With this Article 50 thing, he is also losing the three quidders, so we are truly fucked.
I'd been thinking about going up to Stoke to campaign for a few days, its a really important battle for the labour party and to keep UKIP at bay. My heart says I should, but then I keep returning to the position that unless the labour party can move Corbyn on then it simply has no hope. And what - other than the loss of these safe seats to the tories and UKIP - is going to bring people in the party to their senses?
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The campaign was a farce. Whichever side you voted for. Then the U.S election happened........GIN1138 said:
The Thames flotilla was definitely the funniest moment of the Referendum.Scott_P said:
Everything about it was pure farce (Bob Geldof and his multi-millionaires, Farage and Hoey, the Grimsby fishermen turning their hoses on the millionaires, etc...)
The only thing missing was one of the boats sinking... But you can't have everything.0 -
Lot to be said for Durham. Centre of the city is one of the finer places in U.K.HurstLlama said:
Thank you, Mr. Star. He was a stray who adopted us in 2002 and was, according to the vet, about six years old then. So he had a good innings. Aside from the first three weeks of our marriage, it is the first time in wife's life she has not had at least one cat about the place and I have to admit it does feel strange.Pulpstar said:
OhHurstLlama said:
Wotcha, Mr. Brooke. Got the decorators in, which makes life bloody grizzly and the cat died last month so Herself is still in mourning and moping around the house. Oh, and my back is giving me major gip (am having to use a stick on my morning walk). On the bright side the local off-licence is doing a deal, a litre of The Grouse for seventeen quid, so at least the pain-killer is cheap, and my son hasn't asked for money for a good three weeks. On the whole, mustn't grumble,Alanbrooke said:
Mr LHurstLlama said:
Also chocolate and beer. Not to mention the cheapest cigars in Western Europe, inventing mayonnaise with chips and being able to run reasonably successfully without an elected government.Alanbrooke said:
Belgium - famous for sexual deviancyScott_P said:
@JasonGroves1: George Osborne missed tonight's Brexit vote despite a three-line whip. Giving a speech on Brexit in Antwerp apparently...Alanbrooke said:probably enjoying a lash of the whip elsewhere
All told Belgium has some good things going for it. Shame the place is such a dump.
good evening, hope 2017 is treating you well
Sad to hear about your kitty ;[
However, the big downside is that Herself is talking about using this feline interregnum as a chance for us to going travelling. Together! She has already fixed up a mini-break in Durham in April and is talking about a cruise! I need to find a couple of stray cats quickly.0 -
Or else Anna Soubry's finger has made an appearance....Theuniondivvie said:
Nige looks as if he was laughing too hard & has followed through just a TEENY bit.GIN1138 said:
The Thames flotilla was definitely the funniest moment of the Referendum.Scott_P said:
Everything about it was pure farce (Bob Geldof and his multi-millionaires, Farage and Hoey, the Grimsby fishermen turning their hoses on the millionaires, etc...)
The only thing missing was one of the boats sinking... But you can't have everything.0 -
Most of the US election campaign happened before the EU referendum. It's often said that Trump wouldn't have won without Brexit but perhaps the reverse is true.nunu said:
The campaign was a farce. Whichever side you voted for. Then the U.S election happened........GIN1138 said:
The Thames flotilla was definitely the funniest moment of the Referendum.Scott_P said:
Everything about it was pure farce (Bob Geldof and his multi-millionaires, Farage and Hoey, the Grimsby fishermen turning their hoses on the millionaires, etc...)
The only thing missing was one of the boats sinking... But you can't have everything.0 -
Frank Field probably ought to be a Tory, but the rest are hardly right wing.surbiton said:
Why the fuck do they not join the Tories as they are just that ?Richard_Tyndall said:
All long time Eurosceptics and members of the Labour Safeguards group.dr_spyn said:0 -
Osborne ought to resign if he wants to be in foreign cities rather than do the job he was elected to do. He never ceases to disappoint me.0
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Durham is great. A fabulous Cathedral, a fine city centre, and Cafe Rouge on the bridge over the Wear.OldKingCole said:
Lot to be said for Durham. Centre of the city is one of the finer places in U.K.HurstLlama said:
Thank you, Mr. Star. He was a stray who adopted us in 2002 and was, according to the vet, about six years old then. So he had a good innings. Aside from the first three weeks of our marriage, it is the first time in wife's life she has not had at least one cat about the place and I have to admit it does feel strange.Pulpstar said:
OhHurstLlama said:
Wotcha, Mr. Brooke. Got the decorators in, which makes life bloody grizzly and the cat died last month so Herself is still in mourning and moping around the house. Oh, and my back is giving me major gip (am having to use a stick on my morning walk). On the bright side the local off-licence is doing a deal, a litre of The Grouse for seventeen quid, so at least the pain-killer is cheap, and my son hasn't asked for money for a good three weeks. On the whole, mustn't grumble,Alanbrooke said:
Mr LHurstLlama said:
Also chocolate and beer. Not to mention the cheapest cigars in Western Europe, inventing mayonnaise with chips and being able to run reasonably successfully without an elected government.Alanbrooke said:
Belgium - famous for sexual deviancyScott_P said:
@JasonGroves1: George Osborne missed tonight's Brexit vote despite a three-line whip. Giving a speech on Brexit in Antwerp apparently...Alanbrooke said:probably enjoying a lash of the whip elsewhere
All told Belgium has some good things going for it. Shame the place is such a dump.
good evening, hope 2017 is treating you well
Sad to hear about your kitty ;[
However, the big downside is that Herself is talking about using this feline interregnum as a chance for us to going travelling. Together! She has already fixed up a mini-break in Durham in April and is talking about a cruise! I need to find a couple of stray cats quickly.0 -
The University College bar in the Castle used to claim it stocked the largest collection of whisky of any bar in the UK.... In case that should be a factor.OldKingCole said:
Lot to be said for Durham. Centre of the city is one of the finer places in U.K.HurstLlama said:
Thank you, Mr. Star. He was a stray who adopted us in 2002 and was, according to the vet, about six years old then. So he had a good innings. Aside from the first three weeks of our marriage, it is the first time in wife's life she has not had at least one cat about the place and I have to admit it does feel strange.Pulpstar said:
OhHurstLlama said:
Wotcha, Mr. Brooke. Got the decorators in, which makes life bloody grizzly and the cat died last month so Herself is still in mourning and moping around the house. Oh, and my back is giving me major gip (am having to use a stick on my morning walk). On the bright side the local off-licence is doing a deal, a litre of The Grouse for seventeen quid, so at least the pain-killer is cheap, and my son hasn't asked for money for a good three weeks. On the whole, mustn't grumble,Alanbrooke said:
Mr LHurstLlama said:
Also chocolate and beer. Not to mention the cheapest cigars in Western Europe, inventing mayonnaise with chips and being able to run reasonably successfully without an elected government.Alanbrooke said:
Belgium - famous for sexual deviancyScott_P said:
@JasonGroves1: George Osborne missed tonight's Brexit vote despite a three-line whip. Giving a speech on Brexit in Antwerp apparently...Alanbrooke said:probably enjoying a lash of the whip elsewhere
All told Belgium has some good things going for it. Shame the place is such a dump.
good evening, hope 2017 is treating you well
Sad to hear about your kitty ;[
However, the big downside is that Herself is talking about using this feline interregnum as a chance for us to going travelling. Together! She has already fixed up a mini-break in Durham in April and is talking about a cruise! I need to find a couple of stray cats quickly.0 -
By the new metro-middle class definition of what Labour stands for almost all of the Labour candidates in 1983 would now be classed as Tories.Sean_F said:
Frank Field probably ought to be a Tory, but the rest are hardly right wing.surbiton said:
Why the fuck do they not join the Tories as they are just that ?Richard_Tyndall said:
All long time Eurosceptics and members of the Labour Safeguards group.dr_spyn said:
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Hilarious how some left wing posters here seem to care more about party than principle. Did you really expect Gisella Stuart to vote for anything nonsensical on Brexit. There are enough Chris Leslies in parliament as it is.0
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It is bizarre just how focused on international and minority rights the mainstream left has become.another_richard said:
By the new metro-middle class definition of what Labour stands for almost all of the Labour candidates in 1983 would now be classed as Tories.Sean_F said:
Frank Field probably ought to be a Tory, but the rest are hardly right wing.surbiton said:
Why the fuck do they not join the Tories as they are just that ?Richard_Tyndall said:
All long time Eurosceptics and members of the Labour Safeguards group.dr_spyn said:0 -
Edinburgh University had the longest bar in Europe at one timeMarqueeMark said:The University College bar in the Castle used to claim it stocked the largest collection of whisky of any bar in the UK.... In case that should be a factor.
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Maybe she's a socialist conservative,maybe under corbyn,you might have a point.SouthamObserver said:
I don't know about the others, but I genuinely don't know why Kate Hoey is in the Labour party.surbiton said:
Why the fuck do they not join the Tories as they are just that ?Richard_Tyndall said:
All long time Eurosceptics and members of the Labour Safeguards group.dr_spyn said:
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Its interesting how almost all of the great medieval cathedrals are now in small to middle sized cities and towns - Durham, York, Lincoln, Wells, Winchester, Salisbury.Sean_F said:
Durham is great. A fabulous Cathedral, a fine city centre, and Cafe Rouge on the bridge over the Wear.OldKingCole said:
Lot to be said for Durham. Centre of the city is one of the finer places in U.K.HurstLlama said:
Thank you, Mr. Star. He was a stray who adopted us in 2002 and was, according to the vet, about six years old then. So he had a good innings. Aside from the first three weeks of our marriage, it is the first time in wife's life she has not had at least one cat about the place and I have to admit it does feel strange.Pulpstar said:
OhHurstLlama said:
Wotcha, Mr. Brooke. Got the decorators in, which makes life bloody grizzly and the cat died last month so Herself is still in mourning and moping around the house. Oh, and my back is giving me major gip (am having to use a stick on my morning walk). On the bright side the local off-licence is doing a deal, a litre of The Grouse for seventeen quid, so at least the pain-killer is cheap, and my son hasn't asked for money for a good three weeks. On the whole, mustn't grumble,Alanbrooke said:
Mr LHurstLlama said:
Also chocolate and beer. Not to mention the cheapest cigars in Western Europe, inventing mayonnaise with chips and being able to run reasonably successfully without an elected government.Alanbrooke said:
Belgium - famous for sexual deviancyScott_P said:
@JasonGroves1: George Osborne missed tonight's Brexit vote despite a three-line whip. Giving a speech on Brexit in Antwerp apparently...Alanbrooke said:probably enjoying a lash of the whip elsewhere
All told Belgium has some good things going for it. Shame the place is such a dump.
good evening, hope 2017 is treating you well
Sad to hear about your kitty ;[
However, the big downside is that Herself is talking about using this feline interregnum as a chance for us to going travelling. Together! She has already fixed up a mini-break in Durham in April and is talking about a cruise! I need to find a couple of stray cats quickly.
If they were being built now they would be located in big cities and consequently lose their grandeur.
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Hardly! The 1983 manifesto included unilateral disarmament, withdrawal from NATO and renationalisation.another_richard said:
By the new metro-middle class definition of what Labour stands for almost all of the Labour candidates in 1983 would now be classed as Tories.Sean_F said:
Frank Field probably ought to be a Tory, but the rest are hardly right wing.surbiton said:
Why the fuck do they not join the Tories as they are just that ?Richard_Tyndall said:
All long time Eurosceptics and members of the Labour Safeguards group.dr_spyn said:0 -
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Me too, count Leicester in, as well as Norwich, Cambridge and Bristol.Beverley_C said:0 -
Withdrawal from the EU and abolition of the House of Lords. It's a fascinating document.foxinsoxuk said:
Hardly! The 1983 manifesto included unilateral disarmament, withdrawal from NATO and renationalisation.another_richard said:
By the new metro-middle class definition of what Labour stands for almost all of the Labour candidates in 1983 would now be classed as Tories.Sean_F said:
Frank Field probably ought to be a Tory, but the rest are hardly right wing.surbiton said:
Why the fuck do they not join the Tories as they are just that ?Richard_Tyndall said:
All long time Eurosceptics and members of the Labour Safeguards group.dr_spyn said:0 -
Jeez Faisal Islam spin on today's events is ridiculous.0
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Ahead of its time :-)MonikerDiCanio said:
Withdrawal from the EU and abolition of the House of Lords. It's a fascinating document.foxinsoxuk said:
Hardly! The 1983 manifesto included unilateral disarmament, withdrawal from NATO and renationalisation.another_richard said:
By the new metro-middle class definition of what Labour stands for almost all of the Labour candidates in 1983 would now be classed as Tories.Sean_F said:
Frank Field probably ought to be a Tory, but the rest are hardly right wing.surbiton said:
Why the fuck do they not join the Tories as they are just that ?Richard_Tyndall said:
All long time Eurosceptics and members of the Labour Safeguards group.dr_spyn said:0 -
Yes, there were very few people moaning that politicians were all the same in those days.MonikerDiCanio said:
Withdrawal from the EU and abolition of the House of Lords. It's a fascinating document.foxinsoxuk said:
Hardly! The 1983 manifesto included unilateral disarmament, withdrawal from NATO and renationalisation.another_richard said:
By the new metro-middle class definition of what Labour stands for almost all of the Labour candidates in 1983 would now be classed as Tories.Sean_F said:
Frank Field probably ought to be a Tory, but the rest are hardly right wing.surbiton said:
Why the fuck do they not join the Tories as they are just that ?Richard_Tyndall said:
All long time Eurosceptics and members of the Labour Safeguards group.dr_spyn said:0 -
By contrast I think it is a terrible idea. Don't fancy being a refugee in my 50's!foxinsoxuk said:
Me too, count Leicester in, as well as Norwich, Cambridge and Bristol.Beverley_C said:0 -
May be excessive dominance of the local area by the church stunted growth?another_richard said:
Its interesting how almost all of the great medieval cathedrals are now in small to middle sized cities and towns - Durham, York, Lincoln, Wells, Winchester, Salisbury.Sean_F said:
Durham is great. A fabulous Cathedral, a fine city centre, and Cafe Rouge on the bridge over the Wear.OldKingCole said:
Lot to be said for Durham. Centre of the city is one of the finer places in U.K.HurstLlama said:
Thank you, Mr. Star. He was a stray who adopted us in 2002 and was, according to the vet, about six years old then. So he had a good innings. Aside from the first three weeks of our marriage, it is the first time in wife's life she has not had at least one cat about the place and I have to admit it does feel strange.Pulpstar said:
OhHurstLlama said:
Wotcha, Mr. Brooke. Got the decorators in, which makes life bloody grizzly and the cat died last month so Herself is still in mourning and moping around the house. Oh, and my back is giving me major gip (am having to use a stick on my morning walk). On the bright side the local off-licence is doing a deal, a litre of The Grouse for seventeen quid, so at least the pain-killer is cheap, and my son hasn't asked for money for a good three weeks. On the whole, mustn't grumble,Alanbrooke said:
Mr LHurstLlama said:
Also chocolate and beer. Not to mention the cheapest cigars in Western Europe, inventing mayonnaise with chips and being able to run reasonably successfully without an elected government.Alanbrooke said:
Belgium - famous for sexual deviancyScott_P said:
@JasonGroves1: George Osborne missed tonight's Brexit vote despite a three-line whip. Giving a speech on Brexit in Antwerp apparently...Alanbrooke said:probably enjoying a lash of the whip elsewhere
All told Belgium has some good things going for it. Shame the place is such a dump.
good evening, hope 2017 is treating you well
Sad to hear about your kitty ;[
However, the big downside is that Herself is talking about using this feline interregnum as a chance for us to going travelling. Together! She has already fixed up a mini-break in Durham in April and is talking about a cruise! I need to find a couple of stray cats quickly.
If they were being built now they would be located in big cities and consequently lose their grandeur.0 -
Full Division lists out for Chris Leslie amendment.
7 Con MPs voted against Govt: Heidi Allen, Clarke, Neill, Perry, Sandbach, Soubry, Tyrie
2 UUP voted against Govt
6 Lab MPs voted with Govt - as posted earlier
7 DUP MPs + Carswell voted with Govt
Abstentions: 9 Con, 11 Lab, 1 DUP
Govt won by 33.
So Govt would have lost if all Lab + DUP voted against them.
But not if just all Lab voted against them - then Govt still win by 10 - ie would be saved by DUP.
But big picture is that it's the Lab MPs voting with the Govt that make it comfortable - without them it would be close to being tense.0 -
Will the border between Remania and Leaveland be a "hard" border?dixiedean said:
By contrast I think it is a terrible idea. Don't fancy being a refugee in my 50's!foxinsoxuk said:
Me too, count Leicester in, as well as Norwich, Cambridge and Bristol.Beverley_C said:0 -
Yep. He should be invited to have tea and biscuits with the Chief Whip for missing tonight's vote. With no tea and no biscuits.Mortimer said:Osborne ought to resign if he wants to be in foreign cities rather than do the job he was elected to do. He never ceases to disappoint me.
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On PB labour supporters Alan,can you add well off ;-)Alanbrooke said:
ah come on JaBJobabob said:
Bit harsh! I wasn't saying that!Alanbrooke said:
soJobabob said:@SouthamObserver
Kate Hoey is to the right of most Tories - it is a mystery why she is even in the Labour Party (other than being guaranteed a place in parliament on a red rosette ticket in blood scarlet Vauxhall). That said, the Labour Leavers are an odd and motley bunch: Hoey a right winger who is in the wrong party, Ronnie Campbell an ultra socialist twice-arrested striking miner who opposes gay marriage; Gisela Stuart a German immigrant hardcore eurosceptic; and Kelvin Hopkins a hard left winger who hates Europe more than Nigel Farage.
you dont like women
you dont like ethnics
you dont like oldies
you dont like lefties
diversity in action
these days Labour is all about middle class white blokes and their partners.0 -
Osborne should be given a punish beating....although I worry he might enjoy it.0
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I fear that might be a subject for endlessly tedious and heated negotiation on PB!TheWhiteRabbit said:
Will the border between Remania and Leaveland be a "hard" border?dixiedean said:
By contrast I think it is a terrible idea. Don't fancy being a refugee in my 50's!foxinsoxuk said:
Me too, count Leicester in, as well as Norwich, Cambridge and Bristol.Beverley_C said:
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There is no easily extractable coal or ore within a reasonable distance of York.Charles said:
May be excessive dominance of the local area by the church stunted growth?another_richard said:
Its interesting how almost all of the great medieval cathedrals are now in small to middle sized cities and towns - Durham, York, Lincoln, Wells, Winchester, Salisbury.Sean_F said:
Durham is great. A fabulous Cathedral, a fine city centre, and Cafe Rouge on the bridge over the Wear.OldKingCole said:
Lot to be said for Durham. Centre of the city is one of the finer places in U.K.HurstLlama said:
Thank you, Mr. Star. He was a stray who adopted us in 2002 and was, according to the vet, about six years old then. So he had a good innings. Aside from the first three weeks of our marriage, it is the first time in wife's life she has not had at least one cat about the place and I have to admit it does feel strange.Pulpstar said:
OhHurstLlama said:
Wotcha, Mr. Brooke. Got the decorators in, which makes life bloody grizzly and the cat died last month so Herself is still in mourning and moping around the house. Oh, and my back is giving me major gip (am having to use a stick on my morning walk). On the bright side the local off-licence is doing a deal, a litre of The Grouse for seventeen quid, so at least the pain-killer is cheap, and my son hasn't asked for money for a good three weeks. On the whole, mustn't grumble,Alanbrooke said:
Mr LHurstLlama said:
Also chocolate and beer. Not to mention the cheapest cigars in Western Europe, inventing mayonnaise with chips and being able to run reasonably successfully without an elected government.Alanbrooke said:
Belgium - famous for sexual deviancyScott_P said:
@JasonGroves1: George Osborne missed tonight's Brexit vote despite a three-line whip. Giving a speech on Brexit in Antwerp apparently...Alanbrooke said:probably enjoying a lash of the whip elsewhere
All told Belgium has some good things going for it. Shame the place is such a dump.
good evening, hope 2017 is treating you well
Sad to hear about your kitty ;[
However, the big downside is that Herself is talking about using this feline interregnum as a chance for us to going travelling. Together! She has already fixed up a mini-break in Durham in April and is talking about a cruise! I need to find a couple of stray cats quickly.
If they were being built now they would be located in big cities and consequently lose their grandeur.0 -
Frank wouldn't fit in the Tory party - for example, he believes passionately in universal benefits. He's sui generis.Sean_F said:
Frank Field probably ought to be a Tory, but the rest are hardly right wing.surbiton said:
Why the fuck do they not join the Tories as they are just that ?Richard_Tyndall said:
All long time Eurosceptics and members of the Labour Safeguards group.dr_spyn said:0 -
Irrelevancies.foxinsoxuk said:
Hardly! The 1983 manifesto included unilateral disarmament, withdrawal from NATO and renationalisation.another_richard said:
By the new metro-middle class definition of what Labour stands for almost all of the Labour candidates in 1983 would now be classed as Tories.Sean_F said:
Frank Field probably ought to be a Tory, but the rest are hardly right wing.surbiton said:
Why the fuck do they not join the Tories as they are just that ?Richard_Tyndall said:
All long time Eurosceptics and members of the Labour Safeguards group.dr_spyn said:
The 1983 manifesto supported leaving the EEC.
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Lots of sheep thoughwasd said:
There is no easily extractable coal or ore within a reasonable distance of York.Charles said:
May be excessive dominance of the local area by the church stunted growth?another_richard said:
Its interesting how almost all of the great medieval cathedrals are now in small to middle sized cities and towns - Durham, York, Lincoln, Wells, Winchester, Salisbury.
If they were being built now they would be located in big cities and consequently lose their grandeur.
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As was once said Blair began his political career promising to tax the rich and to ban the bomb and ended up pandering to the rich and dropping bombs.DavidL said:
Yes, there were very few people moaning that politicians were all the same in those days.MonikerDiCanio said:
Withdrawal from the EU and abolition of the House of Lords. It's a fascinating document.foxinsoxuk said:
Hardly! The 1983 manifesto included unilateral disarmament, withdrawal from NATO and renationalisation.another_richard said:
By the new metro-middle class definition of what Labour stands for almost all of the Labour candidates in 1983 would now be classed as Tories.Sean_F said:
Frank Field probably ought to be a Tory, but the rest are hardly right wing.surbiton said:
Why the fuck do they not join the Tories as they are just that ?Richard_Tyndall said:
All long time Eurosceptics and members of the Labour Safeguards group.dr_spyn said:
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