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    dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 28,611
    glw said:

    except of course events will just wipe out all the nerdy assumptions people make.

    a 2004 forecast for this year would be full of frothy "new economy" crap and ignore the great recession, Brexit and Trump

    Why our forecast of 13 years hence should be more accurate eludes me.

    I remember how before the dot.coms imploded you used to get all sorts of mad Dow and Nasdaq forecasts, the people making them must have been huffing paint.
    Dow 36000 was published in 1999 and sold well. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dow_36,000
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    AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 24,346

    surbiton said:

    dr_spyn said:
    All long time Eurosceptics and members of the Labour Safeguards group.
    Why the fuck do they not join the Tories as they are just that ?

    I don't know about the others, but I genuinely don't know why Kate Hoey is in the Labour party.

    tsk

    so much for diversity

    is it because shes a woman ?
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    Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    @MrHarryCole: Tory Minister on @George_Osborne skipping the Article 50 to give speech in Antwerp: "money not a migraine". pic.twitter.com/2tX1UZXB6U
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    chestnutchestnut Posts: 7,341
    Labour Changes - May 16/Feb 17

    18-24: 40 (-6)
    25-34: 34 (-6)
    35-64: 27 (-7)
    65+:....17 (+1)

    AB: 23 (-5)
    C1: 23 (-10)
    C2: 29 (+1)
    DE: 32 (-5)

    Scotland: 12 (-4)
    Wales: 34 (+2)
    North: 31 (-6) - Copeland???
    Midlands: 23 (-7) - Stoke
    South: 23 (-5)

    Remain 36 (-8)
    Leave 15 (-5)
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    surbiton said:

    dr_spyn said:
    All long time Eurosceptics and members of the Labour Safeguards group.
    Why the fuck do they not join the Tories as they are just that ?

    I don't know about the others, but I genuinely don't know why Kate Hoey is in the Labour party.

    tsk

    so much for diversity

    is it because shes a woman ?

    It's more because she gives every impression of being a right wing Tory.

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    williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 49,155
    glw said:

    chestnut said:

    Guardian Poll with changes to last online VI poll before the referendum

    Con 42 (+8)
    Lab 27 (-5)
    UKIP 12 (-5)
    LD 10 (+3)

    That's quite something, so against all prevailing wisdom the Europe issue is working out very nicely for the Tories.
    It's the feeling of liberation as you fly past the 50th floor on the way down to the ground.
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    glwglw Posts: 9,599

    Gove in full Vote Leave mode in the Commons.

    He's like a catalyst for winding up the Labour benches, and seems to be thoroughly enjoying himself.

    Not sure "it'll wind up the lefties" is such a great reason for leaving the Single Market.

    It's the cherry on top.
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    Gove in full Vote Leave mode in the Commons.

    He's like a catalyst for winding up the Labour benches, and seems to be thoroughly enjoying himself.

    Not sure "it'll wind up the lefties" is such a great reason for leaving the Single Market.

    does rubbing the lefts nose in our own culture sound better ?

    Nah, it sounds a bit contrived.

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    MikeLMikeL Posts: 7,410
    MTimT said:

    BBC story about the Brexit vote holds this absolute nugget:

    "The UK's economy could be 3% smaller by 2030 than if Britain had voted Remain, according to forecasts in the IFS's annual Green Budget."

    For there to be only a 3% difference 13 years down the road, how small does the fall in annual GDP growth have to be? 1.5% instead of 1.7%.

    That is the economic armageddon we are supposed to dread. A fall in annual GDP GROWTH of 2 thousandths of the economy.

    That is the equivalent of a person on 40k pa getting annual raises of 40 pence less per week than would otherwise be the case.

    It's not much but don't think your maths is right:

    (2/1,000) * 40,000 = 80

    £80 per year = £1.60 per week
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    glw said:

    chestnut said:

    Guardian Poll with changes to last online VI poll before the referendum

    Con 42 (+8)
    Lab 27 (-5)
    UKIP 12 (-5)
    LD 10 (+3)

    That's quite something, so against all prevailing wisdom the Europe issue is working out very nicely for the Tories.
    Looks like some Kippers and LibDems going home.
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    AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 24,346

    surbiton said:

    dr_spyn said:
    All long time Eurosceptics and members of the Labour Safeguards group.
    Why the fuck do they not join the Tories as they are just that ?

    I don't know about the others, but I genuinely don't know why Kate Hoey is in the Labour party.

    tsk

    so much for diversity

    is it because shes a woman ?

    It's more because she gives every impression of being a right wing Tory.

    well trade you Kate Hoey for Anna Soubry :-)
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    foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    edited February 2017
    PB medieval scholars may like this little blast from the past:

    https://twitter.com/donaeldunready/status/828975409341595650
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    Fishing said:

    MTimT said:

    BBC story about the Brexit vote holds this absolute nugget:

    "The UK's economy could be 3% smaller by 2030 than if Britain had voted Remain, according to forecasts in the IFS's annual Green Budget."

    For there to be only a 3% difference 13 years down the road, how small does the fall in annual GDP growth have to be? 1.5% instead of 1.7%.

    That is the economic armageddon we are supposed to dread. A fall in annual GDP GROWTH of 2 thousandths of the economy.

    That is the equivalent of a person on 40k pa getting annual raises of 40 pence less per week than would otherwise be the case.

    I was amazed Carney was still pumping the slower growth theme given how poor his forecasts have been to date. I would have thought he would want to let it gently disappear from view.
    3% by 2030 places Brexit alongside many other policy developments in terms of impact on GDP.
    Doing something sensible on housing and the Green Belt would swamp any Brexit impact, and raise living standards for the JAMs ...
    Don't get me started on housing.

    Even tim had better ideas than thirty years of governments of all colours.
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    Just bought what i thought was a yoghurt, it was porridge, what kind pervert mind puts porrige in the sweet section.
    I need a food phrase book.
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 76,234

    surbiton said:

    dr_spyn said:
    All long time Eurosceptics and members of the Labour Safeguards group.
    Why the fuck do they not join the Tories as they are just that ?

    I don't know about the others, but I genuinely don't know why Kate Hoey is in the Labour party.

    https://www.theyworkforyou.com/mp/10282/kate_hoey/vauxhall/votes

    Doesn't look that right wing to me, specifically on foreign and some other issues.
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 76,234

    Just bought what i thought was a yoghurt, it was porridge, what kind pervert mind puts porrige in the sweet section.
    I need a food phrase book.

    Not MaxPB are you ?
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    RogerRoger Posts: 19,262
    Well who'd have thought Corbyn would have got it wrong again!
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    surbiton said:

    dr_spyn said:
    All long time Eurosceptics and members of the Labour Safeguards group.
    Why the fuck do they not join the Tories as they are just that ?

    I don't know about the others, but I genuinely don't know why Kate Hoey is in the Labour party.

    tsk

    so much for diversity

    is it because shes a woman ?

    It's more because she gives every impression of being a right wing Tory.

    well trade you Kate Hoey for Anna Soubry :-)

    Anna certainly seems to be more to the left than Kate, who I suspect may be one of the few Labour MPs deselected before the next GE.

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    MTimTMTimT Posts: 7,034
    chestnut said:

    Labour Changes - May 16/Feb 17

    18-24: 40 (-6)
    25-34: 34 (-6)
    35-64: 27 (-7)
    65+:....17 (+1)

    AB: 23 (-5)
    C1: 23 (-10)
    C2: 29 (+1)
    DE: 32 (-5)

    Scotland: 12 (-4)
    Wales: 34 (+2)
    North: 31 (-6) - Copeland???
    Midlands: 23 (-7) - Stoke
    South: 23 (-5)

    Remain 36 (-8)
    Leave 15 (-5)

    Here's my impersonation of Justin: "Wonderful news for Labour. They are increasing their share of the demographic that votes the most!"
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    Pulpstar said:

    surbiton said:

    dr_spyn said:
    All long time Eurosceptics and members of the Labour Safeguards group.
    Why the fuck do they not join the Tories as they are just that ?

    I don't know about the others, but I genuinely don't know why Kate Hoey is in the Labour party.

    https://www.theyworkforyou.com/mp/10282/kate_hoey/vauxhall/votes

    Doesn't look that right wing to me, specifically on foreign and some other issues.
    is that picture an 80s original?!
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    MikeL said:

    MTimT said:

    BBC story about the Brexit vote holds this absolute nugget:

    "The UK's economy could be 3% smaller by 2030 than if Britain had voted Remain, according to forecasts in the IFS's annual Green Budget."

    For there to be only a 3% difference 13 years down the road, how small does the fall in annual GDP growth have to be? 1.5% instead of 1.7%.

    That is the economic armageddon we are supposed to dread. A fall in annual GDP GROWTH of 2 thousandths of the economy.

    That is the equivalent of a person on 40k pa getting annual raises of 40 pence less per week than would otherwise be the case.

    It's not much but don't think your maths is right:

    (2/1,000) * 40,000 = 80

    £80 per year = £1.60 per week
    Oh well no donation to the guardian lifeboat fund from me then.
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    MikeLMikeL Posts: 7,410
    Contrast Osborne with Nick Boles coming out of hospital to vote tonight.
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    Pulpstar said:

    Just bought what i thought was a yoghurt, it was porridge, what kind pervert mind puts porrige in the sweet section.
    I need a food phrase book.

    Not MaxPB are you ?
    I am not. Do you win a fiver if I am ?
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    RogerRoger Posts: 19,262
    Scott_P said:
    Even when the picture of Boris looking embarrassed in front of £350,000,000 for the NHS has lost it's shine this classic of Kate Hoey will still be out and proud
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    Ishmael_ZIshmael_Z Posts: 8,981

    Just bought what i thought was a yoghurt, it was porridge, what kind pervert mind puts porrige in the sweet section.
    I need a food phrase book.

    Or porridge in a yoghurt shaped container.

    I believe there is a translate app for android which will translate as you scan
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    isamisam Posts: 41,118
    Pulpstar said:

    surbiton said:

    dr_spyn said:
    All long time Eurosceptics and members of the Labour Safeguards group.
    Why the fuck do they not join the Tories as they are just that ?

    I don't know about the others, but I genuinely don't know why Kate Hoey is in the Labour party.

    https://www.theyworkforyou.com/mp/10282/kate_hoey/vauxhall/votes

    Doesn't look that right wing to me, specifically on foreign and some other issues.
    She voted for Brexit, so she must be a right wing Tory who owns the result

    Selfish pensioner too ugh
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    AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 24,346

    surbiton said:

    dr_spyn said:
    All long time Eurosceptics and members of the Labour Safeguards group.
    Why the fuck do they not join the Tories as they are just that ?

    I don't know about the others, but I genuinely don't know why Kate Hoey is in the Labour party.

    tsk

    so much for diversity

    is it because shes a woman ?

    It's more because she gives every impression of being a right wing Tory.

    well trade you Kate Hoey for Anna Soubry :-)

    Anna certainly seems to be more to the left than Kate, who I suspect may be one of the few Labour MPs deselected before the next GE.

    assuming she doesnt retire anyway as shell be heading 74 at next GE
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    glwglw Posts: 9,599
    MikeL said:

    Contrast Osborne with Nick Boles coming out of hospital to vote tonight.

    I don't care which way he votes, I respect his getting to Parliament to do his duty.
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    MTimTMTimT Posts: 7,034

    PB medieval scholars may like this little blast from the past:

    https://twitter.com/donaeldunready/status/828975409341595650

    That is genuinely funny!
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    Pulpstar said:

    surbiton said:

    dr_spyn said:
    All long time Eurosceptics and members of the Labour Safeguards group.
    Why the fuck do they not join the Tories as they are just that ?

    I don't know about the others, but I genuinely don't know why Kate Hoey is in the Labour party.

    https://www.theyworkforyou.com/mp/10282/kate_hoey/vauxhall/votes

    Doesn't look that right wing to me, specifically on foreign and some other issues.

    Interesting - cheers. She looks to hold positions that UKIP should if it really wants to challenge Labour in its heartlands.

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    chestnutchestnut Posts: 7,341
    LD changes since May 16

    18-24: 2 (-4)
    25-34: 13 (+8)
    35-64: 10 (+3)
    65+:....8 (+3)

    AB: 14 (+4)
    C1: 11 (+5)
    C2: 5 (+3)
    DE: 6 (=)

    Scotland: 9 (+4)
    Wales: 8 (+2)
    North: 9 (+4)
    Midlands: 9 (+3)
    South: 12 (+3)

    Remain 15 (+6)
    Leave 5 (+2)
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    MTimTMTimT Posts: 7,034
    Ishmael_Z said:

    Just bought what i thought was a yoghurt, it was porridge, what kind pervert mind puts porrige in the sweet section.
    I need a food phrase book.

    Or porridge in a yoghurt shaped container.

    I believe there is a translate app for android which will translate as you scan
    Either RedLaser or PriceCheck apps for iPhone.
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    JobabobJobabob Posts: 3,807
    @SouthamObserver

    Kate Hoey is to the right of most Tories - it is a mystery why she is even in the Labour Party (other than being guaranteed a place in parliament on a red rosette ticket in blood scarlet Vauxhall). That said, the Labour Leavers are an odd and motley bunch: Hoey a right winger who is in the wrong party, Ronnie Campbell an ultra socialist twice-arrested striking miner who opposes gay marriage; Gisela Stuart a German immigrant hardcore eurosceptic; and Kelvin Hopkins a hard left winger who hates Europe more than Nigel Farage.
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    Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    @PolhomeEditor: Senior Labour MP on Sir Keir Starmer hailing the Govt's A50 vote 'concession': "He must think Leicester hammered Man Utd 0-3 on Sunday too."
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    JobabobJobabob Posts: 3,807
    Roger said:

    Well who'd have thought Corbyn would have got it wrong again!

    I was shocked. Shocked I tell you.
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    JobabobJobabob Posts: 3,807

    surbiton said:

    dr_spyn said:
    All long time Eurosceptics and members of the Labour Safeguards group.
    Why the fuck do they not join the Tories as they are just that ?

    I don't know about the others, but I genuinely don't know why Kate Hoey is in the Labour party.

    tsk

    so much for diversity

    is it because shes a woman ?

    It's more because she gives every impression of being a right wing Tory.

    well trade you Kate Hoey for Anna Soubry :-)

    Anna certainly seems to be more to the left than Kate, who I suspect may be one of the few Labour MPs deselected before the next GE.

    What Vauxhall has done to deserve her is unclear.
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    Pulpstar said:

    surbiton said:

    dr_spyn said:
    All long time Eurosceptics and members of the Labour Safeguards group.
    Why the fuck do they not join the Tories as they are just that ?

    I don't know about the others, but I genuinely don't know why Kate Hoey is in the Labour party.

    https://www.theyworkforyou.com/mp/10282/kate_hoey/vauxhall/votes

    Doesn't look that right wing to me, specifically on foreign and some other issues.

    Interesting - cheers. She looks to hold positions that UKIP should if it really wants to challenge Labour in its heartlands.

    When Farage was bigging up the defections he was going to get from the Tory party, he also suggested some Labour MPs were on the brink of splitting.

    In a parallel universe, Hoey could be leader of UKIP right now...
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    JobabobJobabob Posts: 3,807

    surbiton said:

    dr_spyn said:
    All long time Eurosceptics and members of the Labour Safeguards group.
    Why the fuck do they not join the Tories as they are just that ?

    I don't know about the others, but I genuinely don't know why Kate Hoey is in the Labour party.

    tsk

    so much for diversity

    is it because shes a woman ?

    It's more because she gives every impression of being a right wing Tory.

    well trade you Kate Hoey for Anna Soubry :-)
    I suspect many moderates would bite your hand off Alan. However, as a friend I would not wish her on you!
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    Ishmael_Z said:

    Just bought what i thought was a yoghurt, it was porridge, what kind pervert mind puts porrige in the sweet section.
    I need a food phrase book.

    Or porridge in a yoghurt shaped container.

    I believe there is a translate app for android which will translate as you scan
    Oooh thanks Ishmael i will have a look for that
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    AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 24,346
    Jobabob said:

    @SouthamObserver

    Kate Hoey is to the right of most Tories - it is a mystery why she is even in the Labour Party (other than being guaranteed a place in parliament on a red rosette ticket in blood scarlet Vauxhall). That said, the Labour Leavers are an odd and motley bunch: Hoey a right winger who is in the wrong party, Ronnie Campbell an ultra socialist twice-arrested striking miner who opposes gay marriage; Gisela Stuart a German immigrant hardcore eurosceptic; and Kelvin Hopkins a hard left winger who hates Europe more than Nigel Farage.

    so

    you dont like women
    you dont like ethnics
    you dont like oldies
    you dont like lefties

    diversity in action
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    MTimTMTimT Posts: 7,034

    MikeL said:

    MTimT said:

    BBC story about the Brexit vote holds this absolute nugget:

    "The UK's economy could be 3% smaller by 2030 than if Britain had voted Remain, according to forecasts in the IFS's annual Green Budget."

    For there to be only a 3% difference 13 years down the road, how small does the fall in annual GDP growth have to be? 1.5% instead of 1.7%.

    That is the economic armageddon we are supposed to dread. A fall in annual GDP GROWTH of 2 thousandths of the economy.

    That is the equivalent of a person on 40k pa getting annual raises of 40 pence less per week than would otherwise be the case.

    It's not much but don't think your maths is right:

    (2/1,000) * 40,000 = 80

    £80 per year = £1.60 per week
    Oh well no donation to the guardian lifeboat fund from me then.
    oops! Did one two-thousandth rather than two one-thousandths ...
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    HurstLlamaHurstLlama Posts: 9,098
    Pulpstar said:

    Scott_P said:

    probably enjoying a lash of the whip elsewhere

    @JasonGroves1: George Osborne missed tonight's Brexit vote despite a three-line whip. Giving a speech on Brexit in Antwerp apparently...
    Belgium - famous for sexual deviancy
    Also chocolate and beer. Not to mention the cheapest cigars in Western Europe, inventing mayonnaise with chips and being able to run reasonably successfully without an elected government.

    All told Belgium has some good things going for it. Shame the place is such a dump.
    Mr L

    good evening, hope 2017 is treating you well
    Wotcha, Mr. Brooke. Got the decorators in, which makes life bloody grizzly and the cat died last month so Herself is still in mourning and moping around the house. Oh, and my back is giving me major gip (am having to use a stick on my morning walk). On the bright side the local off-licence is doing a deal, a litre of The Grouse for seventeen quid, so at least the pain-killer is cheap, and my son hasn't asked for money for a good three weeks. On the whole, mustn't grumble,
    Oh :(

    Sad to hear about your kitty ;[
    Thank you, Mr. Star. He was a stray who adopted us in 2002 and was, according to the vet, about six years old then. So he had a good innings. Aside from the first three weeks of our marriage, it is the first time in wife's life she has not had at least one cat about the place and I have to admit it does feel strange.

    However, the big downside is that Herself is talking about using this feline interregnum as a chance for us to going travelling. Together! She has already fixed up a mini-break in Durham in April and is talking about a cruise! I need to find a couple of stray cats quickly.
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    Jobabob said:

    surbiton said:

    dr_spyn said:
    All long time Eurosceptics and members of the Labour Safeguards group.
    Why the fuck do they not join the Tories as they are just that ?

    I don't know about the others, but I genuinely don't know why Kate Hoey is in the Labour party.

    tsk

    so much for diversity

    is it because shes a woman ?

    It's more because she gives every impression of being a right wing Tory.

    well trade you Kate Hoey for Anna Soubry :-)

    Anna certainly seems to be more to the left than Kate, who I suspect may be one of the few Labour MPs deselected before the next GE.

    What Vauxhall has done to deserve her is unclear.
    I can clear that up for you. Voted for her.
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    JobabobJobabob Posts: 3,807
    Why doesn't the nation just realign on Leave/Remain lines? We'll have Greater London, the Cotswolds, all of Scotland, Manchester, Liverpool and Newcastle. Leave can have Doncaster and the rest.
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    Pulpstar said:

    Scott_P said:

    probably enjoying a lash of the whip elsewhere

    @JasonGroves1: George Osborne missed tonight's Brexit vote despite a three-line whip. Giving a speech on Brexit in Antwerp apparently...
    Belgium - famous for sexual deviancy
    Also chocolate and beer. Not to mention the cheapest cigars in Western Europe, inventing mayonnaise with chips and being able to run reasonably successfully without an elected government.

    All told Belgium has some good things going for it. Shame the place is such a dump.
    Mr L

    good evening, hope 2017 is treating you well
    Wotcha, Mr. Brooke. Got the decorators in, which makes life bloody grizzly and the cat died last month so Herself is still in mourning and moping around the house. Oh, and my back is giving me major gip (am having to use a stick on my morning walk). On the bright side the local off-licence is doing a deal, a litre of The Grouse for seventeen quid, so at least the pain-killer is cheap, and my son hasn't asked for money for a good three weeks. On the whole, mustn't grumble,
    Oh :(

    Sad to hear about your kitty ;[
    Thank you, Mr. Star. He was a stray who adopted us in 2002 and was, according to the vet, about six years old then. So he had a good innings. Aside from the first three weeks of our marriage, it is the first time in wife's life she has not had at least one cat about the place and I have to admit it does feel strange.

    However, the big downside is that Herself is talking about using this feline interregnum as a chance for us to going travelling. Together! She has already fixed up a mini-break in Durham in April and is talking about a cruise! I need to find a couple of stray cats quickly.
    Or just a couple of strays (-;
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    MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 50,570
    isam said:

    Pulpstar said:

    surbiton said:

    dr_spyn said:
    All long time Eurosceptics and members of the Labour Safeguards group.
    Why the fuck do they not join the Tories as they are just that ?

    I don't know about the others, but I genuinely don't know why Kate Hoey is in the Labour party.

    https://www.theyworkforyou.com/mp/10282/kate_hoey/vauxhall/votes

    Doesn't look that right wing to me, specifically on foreign and some other issues.
    She voted for Brexit, so she must be a right wing Tory who owns the result

    Selfish pensioner too ugh
    Just a thickoe...
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    JobabobJobabob Posts: 3,807

    Jobabob said:

    surbiton said:

    dr_spyn said:
    All long time Eurosceptics and members of the Labour Safeguards group.
    Why the fuck do they not join the Tories as they are just that ?

    I don't know about the others, but I genuinely don't know why Kate Hoey is in the Labour party.

    tsk

    so much for diversity

    is it because shes a woman ?

    It's more because she gives every impression of being a right wing Tory.

    well trade you Kate Hoey for Anna Soubry :-)

    Anna certainly seems to be more to the left than Kate, who I suspect may be one of the few Labour MPs deselected before the next GE.

    What Vauxhall has done to deserve her is unclear.
    I can clear that up for you. Voted for her.
    They would vote for you too if you wore a red rosette and stood for Labour.
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    JobabobJobabob Posts: 3,807

    Jobabob said:

    @SouthamObserver

    Kate Hoey is to the right of most Tories - it is a mystery why she is even in the Labour Party (other than being guaranteed a place in parliament on a red rosette ticket in blood scarlet Vauxhall). That said, the Labour Leavers are an odd and motley bunch: Hoey a right winger who is in the wrong party, Ronnie Campbell an ultra socialist twice-arrested striking miner who opposes gay marriage; Gisela Stuart a German immigrant hardcore eurosceptic; and Kelvin Hopkins a hard left winger who hates Europe more than Nigel Farage.

    so

    you dont like women
    you dont like ethnics
    you dont like oldies
    you dont like lefties

    diversity in action
    Bit harsh! I wasn't saying that!
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    AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 24,346
    Jobabob said:

    Jobabob said:

    @SouthamObserver

    Kate Hoey is to the right of most Tories - it is a mystery why she is even in the Labour Party (other than being guaranteed a place in parliament on a red rosette ticket in blood scarlet Vauxhall). That said, the Labour Leavers are an odd and motley bunch: Hoey a right winger who is in the wrong party, Ronnie Campbell an ultra socialist twice-arrested striking miner who opposes gay marriage; Gisela Stuart a German immigrant hardcore eurosceptic; and Kelvin Hopkins a hard left winger who hates Europe more than Nigel Farage.

    so

    you dont like women
    you dont like ethnics
    you dont like oldies
    you dont like lefties

    diversity in action
    Bit harsh! I wasn't saying that!
    ah come on JaB

    these days Labour is all about middle class white blokes and their partners.

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    RogerRoger Posts: 19,262
    Nige and Kate.....Kate and Nige

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0pyA6jAM3_I
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    Jobabob said:

    Jobabob said:

    surbiton said:

    dr_spyn said:
    All long time Eurosceptics and members of the Labour Safeguards group.
    Why the fuck do they not join the Tories as they are just that ?

    I don't know about the others, but I genuinely don't know why Kate Hoey is in the Labour party.

    tsk

    so much for diversity

    is it because shes a woman ?

    It's more because she gives every impression of being a right wing Tory.

    well trade you Kate Hoey for Anna Soubry :-)

    Anna certainly seems to be more to the left than Kate, who I suspect may be one of the few Labour MPs deselected before the next GE.

    What Vauxhall has done to deserve her is unclear.
    I can clear that up for you. Voted for her.
    They would vote for you too if you wore a red rosette and stood for Labour.
    I don't share your low opinion of Labour voters.
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    MikeLMikeL Posts: 7,410
    edited February 2017
    glw said:

    MikeL said:

    Contrast Osborne with Nick Boles coming out of hospital to vote tonight.

    I don't care which way he votes, I respect his getting to Parliament to do his duty.
    Indeed - I wasn't commenting on how Boles was voting - though I think he actually voted with the Govt.
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    williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 49,155

    Jobabob said:

    I can clear that up for you. Voted for her.

    They would vote for you too if you wore a red rosette and stood for Labour.
    I don't share your low opinion of Labour voters.
    You've already got the campaign patter down pat!
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    TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 40,711
    edited February 2017

    PB medieval scholars may like this little blast from the past:

    https://twitter.com/donaeldunready/status/828975409341595650

    That's good, but wouldn't the Donald cleave more to his mother's Norse heritage? Dómhnall Smallhand, or Cnut Gråbber perhaps?
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    JobabobJobabob Posts: 3,807

    Jobabob said:

    Jobabob said:

    surbiton said:

    dr_spyn said:
    All long time Eurosceptics and members of the Labour Safeguards group.
    Why the fuck do they not join the Tories as they are just that ?

    I don't know about the others, but I genuinely don't know why Kate Hoey is in the Labour party.

    tsk

    so much for diversity

    is it because shes a woman ?

    It's more because she gives every impression of being a right wing Tory.

    well trade you Kate Hoey for Anna Soubry :-)

    Anna certainly seems to be more to the left than Kate, who I suspect may be one of the few Labour MPs deselected before the next GE.

    What Vauxhall has done to deserve her is unclear.
    I can clear that up for you. Voted for her.
    They would vote for you too if you wore a red rosette and stood for Labour.
    I don't share your low opinion of Labour voters.
    Ha! Bravo!
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    GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 21,170
    edited February 2017
    Scott_P said:
    The Thames flotilla was definitely the funniest moment of the Referendum.

    Everything about it was pure farce (Bob Geldof and his multi-millionaires, Farage and Hoey, the Grimsby fishermen turning their hoses on the millionaires, etc...)

    The only thing missing was one of the boats sinking... But you can't have everything. :smiley:
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    foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548

    Pulpstar said:

    surbiton said:

    dr_spyn said:
    All long time Eurosceptics and members of the Labour Safeguards group.
    Why the fuck do they not join the Tories as they are just that ?

    I don't know about the others, but I genuinely don't know why Kate Hoey is in the Labour party.

    https://www.theyworkforyou.com/mp/10282/kate_hoey/vauxhall/votes

    Doesn't look that right wing to me, specifically on foreign and some other issues.

    Interesting - cheers. She looks to hold positions that UKIP should if it really wants to challenge Labour in its heartlands.

    When Farage was bigging up the defections he was going to get from the Tory party, he also suggested some Labour MPs were on the brink of splitting.

    In a parallel universe, Hoey could be leader of UKIP right now...
    In the future everyone will be tbe leader of UKIP for 15 minutes.
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    Jobabob said:

    Jobabob said:

    surbiton said:

    dr_spyn said:
    All long time Eurosceptics and members of the Labour Safeguards group.
    Why the fuck do they not join the Tories as they are just that ?

    I don't know about the others, but I genuinely don't know why Kate Hoey is in the Labour party.

    tsk

    so much for diversity

    is it because shes a woman ?

    It's more because she gives every impression of being a right wing Tory.

    well trade you Kate Hoey for Anna Soubry :-)

    Anna certainly seems to be more to the left than Kate, who I suspect may be one of the few Labour MPs deselected before the next GE.

    What Vauxhall has done to deserve her is unclear.
    I can clear that up for you. Voted for her.
    They would vote for you too if you wore a red rosette and stood for Labour.
    I don't share your low opinion of Labour voters.
    Amusing that Bob has such a low view of Vauxhall voters - a constituency with a 78% Remain vote.
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    TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 40,711
    edited February 2017
    GIN1138 said:

    Scott_P said:
    The Thames flotilla was definitely the funniest moment of the Referendum.

    Everything about it was pure farce (Bob Geldof and his multi-millionaires, Farage and Hoey, the Grimsby fishermen turning their hoses on the millionaires, etc...)

    The only thing missing was one of the boats sinking... But you can't have everything. :smiley:
    Nige looks as if he was laughing too hard & has followed through just a TEENY bit.
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    williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 49,155
    GIN1138 said:

    The only thing missing was one of the boats sinking... But you can't have everything. :smiley:

    If Stuart Hall wasn't detained at Her Majesty's pleasure we could have had EURef Sans Frontières.
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    Jobabob said:

    Why doesn't the nation just realign on Leave/Remain lines? We'll have Greater London, the Cotswolds, all of Scotland, Manchester, Liverpool and Newcastle. Leave can have Doncaster and the rest.

    Because the nice Remain voting areas wouldn't want you.

    Take a look at the AV map:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Kingdom_Alternative_Vote_referendum,_2011#/media/File:United_Kingdom_AV_referendum_area_results.svg

    You get the green dots.
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    MTimTMTimT Posts: 7,034

    Dómhnall Smallhand, or Cnut Gråbber perhaps?

    Very good
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    MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 50,570

    Scott_P said:

    probably enjoying a lash of the whip elsewhere

    @JasonGroves1: George Osborne missed tonight's Brexit vote despite a three-line whip. Giving a speech on Brexit in Antwerp apparently...
    Belgium - famous for sexual deviancy
    Louise!!!

    (a tim memorial moment...)
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    nielhnielh Posts: 1,307
    The ongoing problem with Corbyn is that there is no strategy. As people point out here repeatedly, his support for triggering Article 50 and leaving the EU is undermined by the positions he has taken on issues of importance to labour voters, like his wholehearted endorsement of freedom of movement, unlimited immigration etc, IRA terrorists etc. With this Article 50 thing, he is also losing the three quidders, so we are truly fucked.

    I'd been thinking about going up to Stoke to campaign for a few days, its a really important battle for the labour party and to keep UKIP at bay. My heart says I should, but then I keep returning to the position that unless the labour party can move Corbyn on then it simply has no hope. And what - other than the loss of these safe seats to the tories and UKIP - is going to bring people in the party to their senses?


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    RogerRoger Posts: 19,262
    Jobabob said:

    Why doesn't the nation just realign on Leave/Remain lines? We'll have Greater London, the Cotswolds, all of Scotland, Manchester, Liverpool and Newcastle. Leave can have Doncaster and the rest.

    That's an inspired idea.
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    nunununu Posts: 6,024
    GIN1138 said:

    Scott_P said:
    The Thames flotilla was definitely the funniest moment of the Referendum.

    Everything about it was pure farce (Bob Geldof and his multi-millionaires, Farage and Hoey, the Grimsby fishermen turning their hoses on the millionaires, etc...)

    The only thing missing was one of the boats sinking... But you can't have everything. :smiley:
    The campaign was a farce. Whichever side you voted for. Then the U.S election happened........
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    OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 32,393

    Pulpstar said:

    Scott_P said:

    probably enjoying a lash of the whip elsewhere

    @JasonGroves1: George Osborne missed tonight's Brexit vote despite a three-line whip. Giving a speech on Brexit in Antwerp apparently...
    Belgium - famous for sexual deviancy
    Also chocolate and beer. Not to mention the cheapest cigars in Western Europe, inventing mayonnaise with chips and being able to run reasonably successfully without an elected government.

    All told Belgium has some good things going for it. Shame the place is such a dump.
    Mr L

    good evening, hope 2017 is treating you well
    Wotcha, Mr. Brooke. Got the decorators in, which makes life bloody grizzly and the cat died last month so Herself is still in mourning and moping around the house. Oh, and my back is giving me major gip (am having to use a stick on my morning walk). On the bright side the local off-licence is doing a deal, a litre of The Grouse for seventeen quid, so at least the pain-killer is cheap, and my son hasn't asked for money for a good three weeks. On the whole, mustn't grumble,
    Oh :(

    Sad to hear about your kitty ;[
    Thank you, Mr. Star. He was a stray who adopted us in 2002 and was, according to the vet, about six years old then. So he had a good innings. Aside from the first three weeks of our marriage, it is the first time in wife's life she has not had at least one cat about the place and I have to admit it does feel strange.

    However, the big downside is that Herself is talking about using this feline interregnum as a chance for us to going travelling. Together! She has already fixed up a mini-break in Durham in April and is talking about a cruise! I need to find a couple of stray cats quickly.
    Lot to be said for Durham. Centre of the city is one of the finer places in U.K.
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    MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 50,570

    GIN1138 said:

    Scott_P said:
    The Thames flotilla was definitely the funniest moment of the Referendum.

    Everything about it was pure farce (Bob Geldof and his multi-millionaires, Farage and Hoey, the Grimsby fishermen turning their hoses on the millionaires, etc...)

    The only thing missing was one of the boats sinking... But you can't have everything. :smiley:
    Nige looks as if he was laughing too hard & has followed through just a TEENY bit.
    Or else Anna Soubry's finger has made an appearance....
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    williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 49,155
    nunu said:

    GIN1138 said:

    Scott_P said:
    The Thames flotilla was definitely the funniest moment of the Referendum.

    Everything about it was pure farce (Bob Geldof and his multi-millionaires, Farage and Hoey, the Grimsby fishermen turning their hoses on the millionaires, etc...)

    The only thing missing was one of the boats sinking... But you can't have everything. :smiley:
    The campaign was a farce. Whichever side you voted for. Then the U.S election happened........
    Most of the US election campaign happened before the EU referendum. It's often said that Trump wouldn't have won without Brexit but perhaps the reverse is true.
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    Sean_FSean_F Posts: 36,387
    surbiton said:

    dr_spyn said:
    All long time Eurosceptics and members of the Labour Safeguards group.
    Why the fuck do they not join the Tories as they are just that ?
    Frank Field probably ought to be a Tory, but the rest are hardly right wing.
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    MortimerMortimer Posts: 14,018
    Osborne ought to resign if he wants to be in foreign cities rather than do the job he was elected to do. He never ceases to disappoint me.
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    Sean_FSean_F Posts: 36,387

    Pulpstar said:

    Scott_P said:

    probably enjoying a lash of the whip elsewhere

    @JasonGroves1: George Osborne missed tonight's Brexit vote despite a three-line whip. Giving a speech on Brexit in Antwerp apparently...
    Belgium - famous for sexual deviancy
    Also chocolate and beer. Not to mention the cheapest cigars in Western Europe, inventing mayonnaise with chips and being able to run reasonably successfully without an elected government.

    All told Belgium has some good things going for it. Shame the place is such a dump.
    Mr L

    good evening, hope 2017 is treating you well
    Wotcha, Mr. Brooke. Got the decorators in, which makes life bloody grizzly and the cat died last month so Herself is still in mourning and moping around the house. Oh, and my back is giving me major gip (am having to use a stick on my morning walk). On the bright side the local off-licence is doing a deal, a litre of The Grouse for seventeen quid, so at least the pain-killer is cheap, and my son hasn't asked for money for a good three weeks. On the whole, mustn't grumble,
    Oh :(

    Sad to hear about your kitty ;[
    Thank you, Mr. Star. He was a stray who adopted us in 2002 and was, according to the vet, about six years old then. So he had a good innings. Aside from the first three weeks of our marriage, it is the first time in wife's life she has not had at least one cat about the place and I have to admit it does feel strange.

    However, the big downside is that Herself is talking about using this feline interregnum as a chance for us to going travelling. Together! She has already fixed up a mini-break in Durham in April and is talking about a cruise! I need to find a couple of stray cats quickly.
    Lot to be said for Durham. Centre of the city is one of the finer places in U.K.
    Durham is great. A fabulous Cathedral, a fine city centre, and Cafe Rouge on the bridge over the Wear.
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    MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 50,570

    Pulpstar said:

    Scott_P said:

    probably enjoying a lash of the whip elsewhere

    @JasonGroves1: George Osborne missed tonight's Brexit vote despite a three-line whip. Giving a speech on Brexit in Antwerp apparently...
    Belgium - famous for sexual deviancy
    Also chocolate and beer. Not to mention the cheapest cigars in Western Europe, inventing mayonnaise with chips and being able to run reasonably successfully without an elected government.

    All told Belgium has some good things going for it. Shame the place is such a dump.
    Mr L

    good evening, hope 2017 is treating you well
    Wotcha, Mr. Brooke. Got the decorators in, which makes life bloody grizzly and the cat died last month so Herself is still in mourning and moping around the house. Oh, and my back is giving me major gip (am having to use a stick on my morning walk). On the bright side the local off-licence is doing a deal, a litre of The Grouse for seventeen quid, so at least the pain-killer is cheap, and my son hasn't asked for money for a good three weeks. On the whole, mustn't grumble,
    Oh :(

    Sad to hear about your kitty ;[
    Thank you, Mr. Star. He was a stray who adopted us in 2002 and was, according to the vet, about six years old then. So he had a good innings. Aside from the first three weeks of our marriage, it is the first time in wife's life she has not had at least one cat about the place and I have to admit it does feel strange.

    However, the big downside is that Herself is talking about using this feline interregnum as a chance for us to going travelling. Together! She has already fixed up a mini-break in Durham in April and is talking about a cruise! I need to find a couple of stray cats quickly.
    Lot to be said for Durham. Centre of the city is one of the finer places in U.K.
    The University College bar in the Castle used to claim it stocked the largest collection of whisky of any bar in the UK.... In case that should be a factor.
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    Sean_F said:

    surbiton said:

    dr_spyn said:
    All long time Eurosceptics and members of the Labour Safeguards group.
    Why the fuck do they not join the Tories as they are just that ?
    Frank Field probably ought to be a Tory, but the rest are hardly right wing.
    By the new metro-middle class definition of what Labour stands for almost all of the Labour candidates in 1983 would now be classed as Tories.
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    MortimerMortimer Posts: 14,018
    edited February 2017
    Hilarious how some left wing posters here seem to care more about party than principle. Did you really expect Gisella Stuart to vote for anything nonsensical on Brexit. There are enough Chris Leslies in parliament as it is.
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    MortimerMortimer Posts: 14,018

    Sean_F said:

    surbiton said:

    dr_spyn said:
    All long time Eurosceptics and members of the Labour Safeguards group.
    Why the fuck do they not join the Tories as they are just that ?
    Frank Field probably ought to be a Tory, but the rest are hardly right wing.
    By the new metro-middle class definition of what Labour stands for almost all of the Labour candidates in 1983 would now be classed as Tories.
    It is bizarre just how focused on international and minority rights the mainstream left has become.
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    Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453

    The University College bar in the Castle used to claim it stocked the largest collection of whisky of any bar in the UK.... In case that should be a factor.

    Edinburgh University had the longest bar in Europe at one time
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    TykejohnnoTykejohnno Posts: 7,362

    surbiton said:

    dr_spyn said:
    All long time Eurosceptics and members of the Labour Safeguards group.
    Why the fuck do they not join the Tories as they are just that ?

    I don't know about the others, but I genuinely don't know why Kate Hoey is in the Labour party.

    Maybe she's a socialist conservative,maybe under corbyn,you might have a point.
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    Sean_F said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Scott_P said:

    probably enjoying a lash of the whip elsewhere

    @JasonGroves1: George Osborne missed tonight's Brexit vote despite a three-line whip. Giving a speech on Brexit in Antwerp apparently...
    Belgium - famous for sexual deviancy
    Also chocolate and beer. Not to mention the cheapest cigars in Western Europe, inventing mayonnaise with chips and being able to run reasonably successfully without an elected government.

    All told Belgium has some good things going for it. Shame the place is such a dump.
    Mr L

    good evening, hope 2017 is treating you well
    Wotcha, Mr. Brooke. Got the decorators in, which makes life bloody grizzly and the cat died last month so Herself is still in mourning and moping around the house. Oh, and my back is giving me major gip (am having to use a stick on my morning walk). On the bright side the local off-licence is doing a deal, a litre of The Grouse for seventeen quid, so at least the pain-killer is cheap, and my son hasn't asked for money for a good three weeks. On the whole, mustn't grumble,
    Oh :(

    Sad to hear about your kitty ;[
    Thank you, Mr. Star. He was a stray who adopted us in 2002 and was, according to the vet, about six years old then. So he had a good innings. Aside from the first three weeks of our marriage, it is the first time in wife's life she has not had at least one cat about the place and I have to admit it does feel strange.

    However, the big downside is that Herself is talking about using this feline interregnum as a chance for us to going travelling. Together! She has already fixed up a mini-break in Durham in April and is talking about a cruise! I need to find a couple of stray cats quickly.
    Lot to be said for Durham. Centre of the city is one of the finer places in U.K.
    Durham is great. A fabulous Cathedral, a fine city centre, and Cafe Rouge on the bridge over the Wear.
    Its interesting how almost all of the great medieval cathedrals are now in small to middle sized cities and towns - Durham, York, Lincoln, Wells, Winchester, Salisbury.

    If they were being built now they would be located in big cities and consequently lose their grandeur.
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    foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548

    Sean_F said:

    surbiton said:

    dr_spyn said:
    All long time Eurosceptics and members of the Labour Safeguards group.
    Why the fuck do they not join the Tories as they are just that ?
    Frank Field probably ought to be a Tory, but the rest are hardly right wing.
    By the new metro-middle class definition of what Labour stands for almost all of the Labour candidates in 1983 would now be classed as Tories.
    Hardly! The 1983 manifesto included unilateral disarmament, withdrawal from NATO and renationalisation.
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    Beverley_CBeverley_C Posts: 6,256
    Roger said:

    Jobabob said:

    Why doesn't the nation just realign on Leave/Remain lines? We'll have Greater London, the Cotswolds, all of Scotland, Manchester, Liverpool and Newcastle. Leave can have Doncaster and the rest.

    That's an inspired idea.
    :):) Works for me....
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    foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548

    Roger said:

    Jobabob said:

    Why doesn't the nation just realign on Leave/Remain lines? We'll have Greater London, the Cotswolds, all of Scotland, Manchester, Liverpool and Newcastle. Leave can have Doncaster and the rest.

    That's an inspired idea.
    :):) Works for me....
    Me too, count Leicester in, as well as Norwich, Cambridge and Bristol.
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    Sean_F said:

    surbiton said:

    dr_spyn said:
    All long time Eurosceptics and members of the Labour Safeguards group.
    Why the fuck do they not join the Tories as they are just that ?
    Frank Field probably ought to be a Tory, but the rest are hardly right wing.
    By the new metro-middle class definition of what Labour stands for almost all of the Labour candidates in 1983 would now be classed as Tories.
    Hardly! The 1983 manifesto included unilateral disarmament, withdrawal from NATO and renationalisation.
    Withdrawal from the EU and abolition of the House of Lords. It's a fascinating document.
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    Jeez Faisal Islam spin on today's events is ridiculous.
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    foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548

    Sean_F said:

    surbiton said:

    dr_spyn said:
    All long time Eurosceptics and members of the Labour Safeguards group.
    Why the fuck do they not join the Tories as they are just that ?
    Frank Field probably ought to be a Tory, but the rest are hardly right wing.
    By the new metro-middle class definition of what Labour stands for almost all of the Labour candidates in 1983 would now be classed as Tories.
    Hardly! The 1983 manifesto included unilateral disarmament, withdrawal from NATO and renationalisation.
    Withdrawal from the EU and abolition of the House of Lords. It's a fascinating document.
    Ahead of its time :-)
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    DavidLDavidL Posts: 52,026

    Sean_F said:

    surbiton said:

    dr_spyn said:
    All long time Eurosceptics and members of the Labour Safeguards group.
    Why the fuck do they not join the Tories as they are just that ?
    Frank Field probably ought to be a Tory, but the rest are hardly right wing.
    By the new metro-middle class definition of what Labour stands for almost all of the Labour candidates in 1983 would now be classed as Tories.
    Hardly! The 1983 manifesto included unilateral disarmament, withdrawal from NATO and renationalisation.
    Withdrawal from the EU and abolition of the House of Lords. It's a fascinating document.
    Yes, there were very few people moaning that politicians were all the same in those days.
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    dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 28,611

    Roger said:

    Jobabob said:

    Why doesn't the nation just realign on Leave/Remain lines? We'll have Greater London, the Cotswolds, all of Scotland, Manchester, Liverpool and Newcastle. Leave can have Doncaster and the rest.

    That's an inspired idea.
    :):) Works for me....
    Me too, count Leicester in, as well as Norwich, Cambridge and Bristol.
    By contrast I think it is a terrible idea. Don't fancy being a refugee in my 50's!
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    CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758

    Sean_F said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Scott_P said:

    probably enjoying a lash of the whip elsewhere

    @JasonGroves1: George Osborne missed tonight's Brexit vote despite a three-line whip. Giving a speech on Brexit in Antwerp apparently...
    Belgium - famous for sexual deviancy
    Also chocolate and beer. Not to mention the cheapest cigars in Western Europe, inventing mayonnaise with chips and being able to run reasonably successfully without an elected government.

    All told Belgium has some good things going for it. Shame the place is such a dump.
    Mr L

    good evening, hope 2017 is treating you well
    Wotcha, Mr. Brooke. Got the decorators in, which makes life bloody grizzly and the cat died last month so Herself is still in mourning and moping around the house. Oh, and my back is giving me major gip (am having to use a stick on my morning walk). On the bright side the local off-licence is doing a deal, a litre of The Grouse for seventeen quid, so at least the pain-killer is cheap, and my son hasn't asked for money for a good three weeks. On the whole, mustn't grumble,
    Oh :(

    Sad to hear about your kitty ;[
    Thank you, Mr. Star. He was a stray who adopted us in 2002 and was, according to the vet, about six years old then. So he had a good innings. Aside from the first three weeks of our marriage, it is the first time in wife's life she has not had at least one cat about the place and I have to admit it does feel strange.

    However, the big downside is that Herself is talking about using this feline interregnum as a chance for us to going travelling. Together! She has already fixed up a mini-break in Durham in April and is talking about a cruise! I need to find a couple of stray cats quickly.
    Lot to be said for Durham. Centre of the city is one of the finer places in U.K.
    Durham is great. A fabulous Cathedral, a fine city centre, and Cafe Rouge on the bridge over the Wear.
    Its interesting how almost all of the great medieval cathedrals are now in small to middle sized cities and towns - Durham, York, Lincoln, Wells, Winchester, Salisbury.

    If they were being built now they would be located in big cities and consequently lose their grandeur.
    May be excessive dominance of the local area by the church stunted growth?
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    MikeLMikeL Posts: 7,410
    edited February 2017
    Full Division lists out for Chris Leslie amendment.

    7 Con MPs voted against Govt: Heidi Allen, Clarke, Neill, Perry, Sandbach, Soubry, Tyrie
    2 UUP voted against Govt

    6 Lab MPs voted with Govt - as posted earlier
    7 DUP MPs + Carswell voted with Govt

    Abstentions: 9 Con, 11 Lab, 1 DUP

    Govt won by 33.

    So Govt would have lost if all Lab + DUP voted against them.

    But not if just all Lab voted against them - then Govt still win by 10 - ie would be saved by DUP.

    But big picture is that it's the Lab MPs voting with the Govt that make it comfortable - without them it would be close to being tense.
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    dixiedean said:

    Roger said:

    Jobabob said:

    Why doesn't the nation just realign on Leave/Remain lines? We'll have Greater London, the Cotswolds, all of Scotland, Manchester, Liverpool and Newcastle. Leave can have Doncaster and the rest.

    That's an inspired idea.
    :):) Works for me....
    Me too, count Leicester in, as well as Norwich, Cambridge and Bristol.
    By contrast I think it is a terrible idea. Don't fancy being a refugee in my 50's!
    Will the border between Remania and Leaveland be a "hard" border?
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    SandpitSandpit Posts: 50,869
    Mortimer said:

    Osborne ought to resign if he wants to be in foreign cities rather than do the job he was elected to do. He never ceases to disappoint me.

    Yep. He should be invited to have tea and biscuits with the Chief Whip for missing tonight's vote. With no tea and no biscuits.
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    TykejohnnoTykejohnno Posts: 7,362

    Jobabob said:

    Jobabob said:

    @SouthamObserver

    Kate Hoey is to the right of most Tories - it is a mystery why she is even in the Labour Party (other than being guaranteed a place in parliament on a red rosette ticket in blood scarlet Vauxhall). That said, the Labour Leavers are an odd and motley bunch: Hoey a right winger who is in the wrong party, Ronnie Campbell an ultra socialist twice-arrested striking miner who opposes gay marriage; Gisela Stuart a German immigrant hardcore eurosceptic; and Kelvin Hopkins a hard left winger who hates Europe more than Nigel Farage.

    so

    you dont like women
    you dont like ethnics
    you dont like oldies
    you dont like lefties

    diversity in action
    Bit harsh! I wasn't saying that!
    ah come on JaB

    these days Labour is all about middle class white blokes and their partners.

    On PB labour supporters Alan,can you add well off ;-)
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    Osborne should be given a punish beating....although I worry he might enjoy it.
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    dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 28,611

    dixiedean said:

    Roger said:

    Jobabob said:

    Why doesn't the nation just realign on Leave/Remain lines? We'll have Greater London, the Cotswolds, all of Scotland, Manchester, Liverpool and Newcastle. Leave can have Doncaster and the rest.

    That's an inspired idea.
    :):) Works for me....
    Me too, count Leicester in, as well as Norwich, Cambridge and Bristol.
    By contrast I think it is a terrible idea. Don't fancy being a refugee in my 50's!
    Will the border between Remania and Leaveland be a "hard" border?
    I fear that might be a subject for endlessly tedious and heated negotiation on PB!
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    wasdwasd Posts: 276
    Charles said:

    Sean_F said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Scott_P said:

    probably enjoying a lash of the whip elsewhere

    @JasonGroves1: George Osborne missed tonight's Brexit vote despite a three-line whip. Giving a speech on Brexit in Antwerp apparently...
    Belgium - famous for sexual deviancy
    Also chocolate and beer. Not to mention the cheapest cigars in Western Europe, inventing mayonnaise with chips and being able to run reasonably successfully without an elected government.

    All told Belgium has some good things going for it. Shame the place is such a dump.
    Mr L

    good evening, hope 2017 is treating you well
    Wotcha, Mr. Brooke. Got the decorators in, which makes life bloody grizzly and the cat died last month so Herself is still in mourning and moping around the house. Oh, and my back is giving me major gip (am having to use a stick on my morning walk). On the bright side the local off-licence is doing a deal, a litre of The Grouse for seventeen quid, so at least the pain-killer is cheap, and my son hasn't asked for money for a good three weeks. On the whole, mustn't grumble,
    Oh :(

    Sad to hear about your kitty ;[
    Thank you, Mr. Star. He was a stray who adopted us in 2002 and was, according to the vet, about six years old then. So he had a good innings. Aside from the first three weeks of our marriage, it is the first time in wife's life she has not had at least one cat about the place and I have to admit it does feel strange.

    However, the big downside is that Herself is talking about using this feline interregnum as a chance for us to going travelling. Together! She has already fixed up a mini-break in Durham in April and is talking about a cruise! I need to find a couple of stray cats quickly.
    Lot to be said for Durham. Centre of the city is one of the finer places in U.K.
    Durham is great. A fabulous Cathedral, a fine city centre, and Cafe Rouge on the bridge over the Wear.
    Its interesting how almost all of the great medieval cathedrals are now in small to middle sized cities and towns - Durham, York, Lincoln, Wells, Winchester, Salisbury.

    If they were being built now they would be located in big cities and consequently lose their grandeur.
    May be excessive dominance of the local area by the church stunted growth?
    There is no easily extractable coal or ore within a reasonable distance of York.
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    NickPalmerNickPalmer Posts: 21,403
    Sean_F said:

    surbiton said:

    dr_spyn said:
    All long time Eurosceptics and members of the Labour Safeguards group.
    Why the fuck do they not join the Tories as they are just that ?
    Frank Field probably ought to be a Tory, but the rest are hardly right wing.
    Frank wouldn't fit in the Tory party - for example, he believes passionately in universal benefits. He's sui generis.
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    Sean_F said:

    surbiton said:

    dr_spyn said:
    All long time Eurosceptics and members of the Labour Safeguards group.
    Why the fuck do they not join the Tories as they are just that ?
    Frank Field probably ought to be a Tory, but the rest are hardly right wing.
    By the new metro-middle class definition of what Labour stands for almost all of the Labour candidates in 1983 would now be classed as Tories.
    Hardly! The 1983 manifesto included unilateral disarmament, withdrawal from NATO and renationalisation.
    Irrelevancies.

    The 1983 manifesto supported leaving the EEC.
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    CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758
    wasd said:

    Charles said:



    Its interesting how almost all of the great medieval cathedrals are now in small to middle sized cities and towns - Durham, York, Lincoln, Wells, Winchester, Salisbury.

    If they were being built now they would be located in big cities and consequently lose their grandeur.

    May be excessive dominance of the local area by the church stunted growth?
    There is no easily extractable coal or ore within a reasonable distance of York.
    Lots of sheep though
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    DavidL said:

    Sean_F said:

    surbiton said:

    dr_spyn said:
    All long time Eurosceptics and members of the Labour Safeguards group.
    Why the fuck do they not join the Tories as they are just that ?
    Frank Field probably ought to be a Tory, but the rest are hardly right wing.
    By the new metro-middle class definition of what Labour stands for almost all of the Labour candidates in 1983 would now be classed as Tories.
    Hardly! The 1983 manifesto included unilateral disarmament, withdrawal from NATO and renationalisation.
    Withdrawal from the EU and abolition of the House of Lords. It's a fascinating document.
    Yes, there were very few people moaning that politicians were all the same in those days.
    As was once said Blair began his political career promising to tax the rich and to ban the bomb and ended up pandering to the rich and dropping bombs.
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