except of course events will just wipe out all the nerdy assumptions people make.
a 2004 forecast for this year would be full of frothy "new economy" crap and ignore the great recession, Brexit and Trump
Why our forecast of 13 years hence should be more accurate eludes me.
I remember how before the dot.coms imploded you used to get all sorts of mad Dow and Nasdaq forecasts, the people making them must have been huffing paint.
BBC story about the Brexit vote holds this absolute nugget:
"The UK's economy could be 3% smaller by 2030 than if Britain had voted Remain, according to forecasts in the IFS's annual Green Budget."
For there to be only a 3% difference 13 years down the road, how small does the fall in annual GDP growth have to be? 1.5% instead of 1.7%.
That is the economic armageddon we are supposed to dread. A fall in annual GDP GROWTH of 2 thousandths of the economy.
That is the equivalent of a person on 40k pa getting annual raises of 40 pence less per week than would otherwise be the case.
I was amazed Carney was still pumping the slower growth theme given how poor his forecasts have been to date. I would have thought he would want to let it gently disappear from view.
3% by 2030 places Brexit alongside many other policy developments in terms of impact on GDP.
Doing something sensible on housing and the Green Belt would swamp any Brexit impact, and raise living standards for the JAMs ...
Don't get me started on housing.
Even tim had better ideas than thirty years of governments of all colours.
Even when the picture of Boris looking embarrassed in front of £350,000,000 for the NHS has lost it's shine this classic of Kate Hoey will still be out and proud
Kate Hoey is to the right of most Tories - it is a mystery why she is even in the Labour Party (other than being guaranteed a place in parliament on a red rosette ticket in blood scarlet Vauxhall). That said, the Labour Leavers are an odd and motley bunch: Hoey a right winger who is in the wrong party, Ronnie Campbell an ultra socialist twice-arrested striking miner who opposes gay marriage; Gisela Stuart a German immigrant hardcore eurosceptic; and Kelvin Hopkins a hard left winger who hates Europe more than Nigel Farage.
@PolhomeEditor: Senior Labour MP on Sir Keir Starmer hailing the Govt's A50 vote 'concession': "He must think Leicester hammered Man Utd 0-3 on Sunday too."
Kate Hoey is to the right of most Tories - it is a mystery why she is even in the Labour Party (other than being guaranteed a place in parliament on a red rosette ticket in blood scarlet Vauxhall). That said, the Labour Leavers are an odd and motley bunch: Hoey a right winger who is in the wrong party, Ronnie Campbell an ultra socialist twice-arrested striking miner who opposes gay marriage; Gisela Stuart a German immigrant hardcore eurosceptic; and Kelvin Hopkins a hard left winger who hates Europe more than Nigel Farage.
so
you dont like women you dont like ethnics you dont like oldies you dont like lefties
@JasonGroves1: George Osborne missed tonight's Brexit vote despite a three-line whip. Giving a speech on Brexit in Antwerp apparently...
Belgium - famous for sexual deviancy
Also chocolate and beer. Not to mention the cheapest cigars in Western Europe, inventing mayonnaise with chips and being able to run reasonably successfully without an elected government.
All told Belgium has some good things going for it. Shame the place is such a dump.
Mr L
good evening, hope 2017 is treating you well
Wotcha, Mr. Brooke. Got the decorators in, which makes life bloody grizzly and the cat died last month so Herself is still in mourning and moping around the house. Oh, and my back is giving me major gip (am having to use a stick on my morning walk). On the bright side the local off-licence is doing a deal, a litre of The Grouse for seventeen quid, so at least the pain-killer is cheap, and my son hasn't asked for money for a good three weeks. On the whole, mustn't grumble,
Oh
Sad to hear about your kitty ;[
Thank you, Mr. Star. He was a stray who adopted us in 2002 and was, according to the vet, about six years old then. So he had a good innings. Aside from the first three weeks of our marriage, it is the first time in wife's life she has not had at least one cat about the place and I have to admit it does feel strange.
However, the big downside is that Herself is talking about using this feline interregnum as a chance for us to going travelling. Together! She has already fixed up a mini-break in Durham in April and is talking about a cruise! I need to find a couple of stray cats quickly.
Why doesn't the nation just realign on Leave/Remain lines? We'll have Greater London, the Cotswolds, all of Scotland, Manchester, Liverpool and Newcastle. Leave can have Doncaster and the rest.
@JasonGroves1: George Osborne missed tonight's Brexit vote despite a three-line whip. Giving a speech on Brexit in Antwerp apparently...
Belgium - famous for sexual deviancy
Also chocolate and beer. Not to mention the cheapest cigars in Western Europe, inventing mayonnaise with chips and being able to run reasonably successfully without an elected government.
All told Belgium has some good things going for it. Shame the place is such a dump.
Mr L
good evening, hope 2017 is treating you well
Wotcha, Mr. Brooke. Got the decorators in, which makes life bloody grizzly and the cat died last month so Herself is still in mourning and moping around the house. Oh, and my back is giving me major gip (am having to use a stick on my morning walk). On the bright side the local off-licence is doing a deal, a litre of The Grouse for seventeen quid, so at least the pain-killer is cheap, and my son hasn't asked for money for a good three weeks. On the whole, mustn't grumble,
Oh
Sad to hear about your kitty ;[
Thank you, Mr. Star. He was a stray who adopted us in 2002 and was, according to the vet, about six years old then. So he had a good innings. Aside from the first three weeks of our marriage, it is the first time in wife's life she has not had at least one cat about the place and I have to admit it does feel strange.
However, the big downside is that Herself is talking about using this feline interregnum as a chance for us to going travelling. Together! She has already fixed up a mini-break in Durham in April and is talking about a cruise! I need to find a couple of stray cats quickly.
Kate Hoey is to the right of most Tories - it is a mystery why she is even in the Labour Party (other than being guaranteed a place in parliament on a red rosette ticket in blood scarlet Vauxhall). That said, the Labour Leavers are an odd and motley bunch: Hoey a right winger who is in the wrong party, Ronnie Campbell an ultra socialist twice-arrested striking miner who opposes gay marriage; Gisela Stuart a German immigrant hardcore eurosceptic; and Kelvin Hopkins a hard left winger who hates Europe more than Nigel Farage.
so
you dont like women you dont like ethnics you dont like oldies you dont like lefties
Kate Hoey is to the right of most Tories - it is a mystery why she is even in the Labour Party (other than being guaranteed a place in parliament on a red rosette ticket in blood scarlet Vauxhall). That said, the Labour Leavers are an odd and motley bunch: Hoey a right winger who is in the wrong party, Ronnie Campbell an ultra socialist twice-arrested striking miner who opposes gay marriage; Gisela Stuart a German immigrant hardcore eurosceptic; and Kelvin Hopkins a hard left winger who hates Europe more than Nigel Farage.
so
you dont like women you dont like ethnics you dont like oldies you dont like lefties
diversity in action
Bit harsh! I wasn't saying that!
ah come on JaB
these days Labour is all about middle class white blokes and their partners.
The Thames flotilla was definitely the funniest moment of the Referendum.
Everything about it was pure farce (Bob Geldof and his multi-millionaires, Farage and Hoey, the Grimsby fishermen turning their hoses on the millionaires, etc...)
The only thing missing was one of the boats sinking... But you can't have everything.
The Thames flotilla was definitely the funniest moment of the Referendum.
Everything about it was pure farce (Bob Geldof and his multi-millionaires, Farage and Hoey, the Grimsby fishermen turning their hoses on the millionaires, etc...)
The only thing missing was one of the boats sinking... But you can't have everything.
Nige looks as if he was laughing too hard & has followed through just a TEENY bit.
Why doesn't the nation just realign on Leave/Remain lines? We'll have Greater London, the Cotswolds, all of Scotland, Manchester, Liverpool and Newcastle. Leave can have Doncaster and the rest.
Because the nice Remain voting areas wouldn't want you.
The ongoing problem with Corbyn is that there is no strategy. As people point out here repeatedly, his support for triggering Article 50 and leaving the EU is undermined by the positions he has taken on issues of importance to labour voters, like his wholehearted endorsement of freedom of movement, unlimited immigration etc, IRA terrorists etc. With this Article 50 thing, he is also losing the three quidders, so we are truly fucked.
I'd been thinking about going up to Stoke to campaign for a few days, its a really important battle for the labour party and to keep UKIP at bay. My heart says I should, but then I keep returning to the position that unless the labour party can move Corbyn on then it simply has no hope. And what - other than the loss of these safe seats to the tories and UKIP - is going to bring people in the party to their senses?
Why doesn't the nation just realign on Leave/Remain lines? We'll have Greater London, the Cotswolds, all of Scotland, Manchester, Liverpool and Newcastle. Leave can have Doncaster and the rest.
The Thames flotilla was definitely the funniest moment of the Referendum.
Everything about it was pure farce (Bob Geldof and his multi-millionaires, Farage and Hoey, the Grimsby fishermen turning their hoses on the millionaires, etc...)
The only thing missing was one of the boats sinking... But you can't have everything.
The campaign was a farce. Whichever side you voted for. Then the U.S election happened........
@JasonGroves1: George Osborne missed tonight's Brexit vote despite a three-line whip. Giving a speech on Brexit in Antwerp apparently...
Belgium - famous for sexual deviancy
Also chocolate and beer. Not to mention the cheapest cigars in Western Europe, inventing mayonnaise with chips and being able to run reasonably successfully without an elected government.
All told Belgium has some good things going for it. Shame the place is such a dump.
Mr L
good evening, hope 2017 is treating you well
Wotcha, Mr. Brooke. Got the decorators in, which makes life bloody grizzly and the cat died last month so Herself is still in mourning and moping around the house. Oh, and my back is giving me major gip (am having to use a stick on my morning walk). On the bright side the local off-licence is doing a deal, a litre of The Grouse for seventeen quid, so at least the pain-killer is cheap, and my son hasn't asked for money for a good three weeks. On the whole, mustn't grumble,
Oh
Sad to hear about your kitty ;[
Thank you, Mr. Star. He was a stray who adopted us in 2002 and was, according to the vet, about six years old then. So he had a good innings. Aside from the first three weeks of our marriage, it is the first time in wife's life she has not had at least one cat about the place and I have to admit it does feel strange.
However, the big downside is that Herself is talking about using this feline interregnum as a chance for us to going travelling. Together! She has already fixed up a mini-break in Durham in April and is talking about a cruise! I need to find a couple of stray cats quickly.
Lot to be said for Durham. Centre of the city is one of the finer places in U.K.
The Thames flotilla was definitely the funniest moment of the Referendum.
Everything about it was pure farce (Bob Geldof and his multi-millionaires, Farage and Hoey, the Grimsby fishermen turning their hoses on the millionaires, etc...)
The only thing missing was one of the boats sinking... But you can't have everything.
Nige looks as if he was laughing too hard & has followed through just a TEENY bit.
Or else Anna Soubry's finger has made an appearance....
The Thames flotilla was definitely the funniest moment of the Referendum.
Everything about it was pure farce (Bob Geldof and his multi-millionaires, Farage and Hoey, the Grimsby fishermen turning their hoses on the millionaires, etc...)
The only thing missing was one of the boats sinking... But you can't have everything.
The campaign was a farce. Whichever side you voted for. Then the U.S election happened........
Most of the US election campaign happened before the EU referendum. It's often said that Trump wouldn't have won without Brexit but perhaps the reverse is true.
@JasonGroves1: George Osborne missed tonight's Brexit vote despite a three-line whip. Giving a speech on Brexit in Antwerp apparently...
Belgium - famous for sexual deviancy
Also chocolate and beer. Not to mention the cheapest cigars in Western Europe, inventing mayonnaise with chips and being able to run reasonably successfully without an elected government.
All told Belgium has some good things going for it. Shame the place is such a dump.
Mr L
good evening, hope 2017 is treating you well
Wotcha, Mr. Brooke. Got the decorators in, which makes life bloody grizzly and the cat died last month so Herself is still in mourning and moping around the house. Oh, and my back is giving me major gip (am having to use a stick on my morning walk). On the bright side the local off-licence is doing a deal, a litre of The Grouse for seventeen quid, so at least the pain-killer is cheap, and my son hasn't asked for money for a good three weeks. On the whole, mustn't grumble,
Oh
Sad to hear about your kitty ;[
Thank you, Mr. Star. He was a stray who adopted us in 2002 and was, according to the vet, about six years old then. So he had a good innings. Aside from the first three weeks of our marriage, it is the first time in wife's life she has not had at least one cat about the place and I have to admit it does feel strange.
However, the big downside is that Herself is talking about using this feline interregnum as a chance for us to going travelling. Together! She has already fixed up a mini-break in Durham in April and is talking about a cruise! I need to find a couple of stray cats quickly.
Lot to be said for Durham. Centre of the city is one of the finer places in U.K.
Durham is great. A fabulous Cathedral, a fine city centre, and Cafe Rouge on the bridge over the Wear.
@JasonGroves1: George Osborne missed tonight's Brexit vote despite a three-line whip. Giving a speech on Brexit in Antwerp apparently...
Belgium - famous for sexual deviancy
Also chocolate and beer. Not to mention the cheapest cigars in Western Europe, inventing mayonnaise with chips and being able to run reasonably successfully without an elected government.
All told Belgium has some good things going for it. Shame the place is such a dump.
Mr L
good evening, hope 2017 is treating you well
Wotcha, Mr. Brooke. Got the decorators in, which makes life bloody grizzly and the cat died last month so Herself is still in mourning and moping around the house. Oh, and my back is giving me major gip (am having to use a stick on my morning walk). On the bright side the local off-licence is doing a deal, a litre of The Grouse for seventeen quid, so at least the pain-killer is cheap, and my son hasn't asked for money for a good three weeks. On the whole, mustn't grumble,
Oh
Sad to hear about your kitty ;[
Thank you, Mr. Star. He was a stray who adopted us in 2002 and was, according to the vet, about six years old then. So he had a good innings. Aside from the first three weeks of our marriage, it is the first time in wife's life she has not had at least one cat about the place and I have to admit it does feel strange.
However, the big downside is that Herself is talking about using this feline interregnum as a chance for us to going travelling. Together! She has already fixed up a mini-break in Durham in April and is talking about a cruise! I need to find a couple of stray cats quickly.
Lot to be said for Durham. Centre of the city is one of the finer places in U.K.
The University College bar in the Castle used to claim it stocked the largest collection of whisky of any bar in the UK.... In case that should be a factor.
Hilarious how some left wing posters here seem to care more about party than principle. Did you really expect Gisella Stuart to vote for anything nonsensical on Brexit. There are enough Chris Leslies in parliament as it is.
The University College bar in the Castle used to claim it stocked the largest collection of whisky of any bar in the UK.... In case that should be a factor.
Edinburgh University had the longest bar in Europe at one time
@JasonGroves1: George Osborne missed tonight's Brexit vote despite a three-line whip. Giving a speech on Brexit in Antwerp apparently...
Belgium - famous for sexual deviancy
Also chocolate and beer. Not to mention the cheapest cigars in Western Europe, inventing mayonnaise with chips and being able to run reasonably successfully without an elected government.
All told Belgium has some good things going for it. Shame the place is such a dump.
Mr L
good evening, hope 2017 is treating you well
Wotcha, Mr. Brooke. Got the decorators in, which makes life bloody grizzly and the cat died last month so Herself is still in mourning and moping around the house. Oh, and my back is giving me major gip (am having to use a stick on my morning walk). On the bright side the local off-licence is doing a deal, a litre of The Grouse for seventeen quid, so at least the pain-killer is cheap, and my son hasn't asked for money for a good three weeks. On the whole, mustn't grumble,
Oh
Sad to hear about your kitty ;[
Thank you, Mr. Star. He was a stray who adopted us in 2002 and was, according to the vet, about six years old then. So he had a good innings. Aside from the first three weeks of our marriage, it is the first time in wife's life she has not had at least one cat about the place and I have to admit it does feel strange.
However, the big downside is that Herself is talking about using this feline interregnum as a chance for us to going travelling. Together! She has already fixed up a mini-break in Durham in April and is talking about a cruise! I need to find a couple of stray cats quickly.
Lot to be said for Durham. Centre of the city is one of the finer places in U.K.
Durham is great. A fabulous Cathedral, a fine city centre, and Cafe Rouge on the bridge over the Wear.
Its interesting how almost all of the great medieval cathedrals are now in small to middle sized cities and towns - Durham, York, Lincoln, Wells, Winchester, Salisbury.
If they were being built now they would be located in big cities and consequently lose their grandeur.
Why doesn't the nation just realign on Leave/Remain lines? We'll have Greater London, the Cotswolds, all of Scotland, Manchester, Liverpool and Newcastle. Leave can have Doncaster and the rest.
Why doesn't the nation just realign on Leave/Remain lines? We'll have Greater London, the Cotswolds, all of Scotland, Manchester, Liverpool and Newcastle. Leave can have Doncaster and the rest.
That's an inspired idea.
Works for me....
Me too, count Leicester in, as well as Norwich, Cambridge and Bristol.
Why doesn't the nation just realign on Leave/Remain lines? We'll have Greater London, the Cotswolds, all of Scotland, Manchester, Liverpool and Newcastle. Leave can have Doncaster and the rest.
That's an inspired idea.
Works for me....
Me too, count Leicester in, as well as Norwich, Cambridge and Bristol.
By contrast I think it is a terrible idea. Don't fancy being a refugee in my 50's!
@JasonGroves1: George Osborne missed tonight's Brexit vote despite a three-line whip. Giving a speech on Brexit in Antwerp apparently...
Belgium - famous for sexual deviancy
Also chocolate and beer. Not to mention the cheapest cigars in Western Europe, inventing mayonnaise with chips and being able to run reasonably successfully without an elected government.
All told Belgium has some good things going for it. Shame the place is such a dump.
Mr L
good evening, hope 2017 is treating you well
Wotcha, Mr. Brooke. Got the decorators in, which makes life bloody grizzly and the cat died last month so Herself is still in mourning and moping around the house. Oh, and my back is giving me major gip (am having to use a stick on my morning walk). On the bright side the local off-licence is doing a deal, a litre of The Grouse for seventeen quid, so at least the pain-killer is cheap, and my son hasn't asked for money for a good three weeks. On the whole, mustn't grumble,
Oh
Sad to hear about your kitty ;[
Thank you, Mr. Star. He was a stray who adopted us in 2002 and was, according to the vet, about six years old then. So he had a good innings. Aside from the first three weeks of our marriage, it is the first time in wife's life she has not had at least one cat about the place and I have to admit it does feel strange.
However, the big downside is that Herself is talking about using this feline interregnum as a chance for us to going travelling. Together! She has already fixed up a mini-break in Durham in April and is talking about a cruise! I need to find a couple of stray cats quickly.
Lot to be said for Durham. Centre of the city is one of the finer places in U.K.
Durham is great. A fabulous Cathedral, a fine city centre, and Cafe Rouge on the bridge over the Wear.
Its interesting how almost all of the great medieval cathedrals are now in small to middle sized cities and towns - Durham, York, Lincoln, Wells, Winchester, Salisbury.
If they were being built now they would be located in big cities and consequently lose their grandeur.
May be excessive dominance of the local area by the church stunted growth?
Why doesn't the nation just realign on Leave/Remain lines? We'll have Greater London, the Cotswolds, all of Scotland, Manchester, Liverpool and Newcastle. Leave can have Doncaster and the rest.
That's an inspired idea.
Works for me....
Me too, count Leicester in, as well as Norwich, Cambridge and Bristol.
By contrast I think it is a terrible idea. Don't fancy being a refugee in my 50's!
Will the border between Remania and Leaveland be a "hard" border?
Kate Hoey is to the right of most Tories - it is a mystery why she is even in the Labour Party (other than being guaranteed a place in parliament on a red rosette ticket in blood scarlet Vauxhall). That said, the Labour Leavers are an odd and motley bunch: Hoey a right winger who is in the wrong party, Ronnie Campbell an ultra socialist twice-arrested striking miner who opposes gay marriage; Gisela Stuart a German immigrant hardcore eurosceptic; and Kelvin Hopkins a hard left winger who hates Europe more than Nigel Farage.
so
you dont like women you dont like ethnics you dont like oldies you dont like lefties
diversity in action
Bit harsh! I wasn't saying that!
ah come on JaB
these days Labour is all about middle class white blokes and their partners.
On PB labour supporters Alan,can you add well off ;-)
Why doesn't the nation just realign on Leave/Remain lines? We'll have Greater London, the Cotswolds, all of Scotland, Manchester, Liverpool and Newcastle. Leave can have Doncaster and the rest.
That's an inspired idea.
Works for me....
Me too, count Leicester in, as well as Norwich, Cambridge and Bristol.
By contrast I think it is a terrible idea. Don't fancy being a refugee in my 50's!
Will the border between Remania and Leaveland be a "hard" border?
I fear that might be a subject for endlessly tedious and heated negotiation on PB!
@JasonGroves1: George Osborne missed tonight's Brexit vote despite a three-line whip. Giving a speech on Brexit in Antwerp apparently...
Belgium - famous for sexual deviancy
Also chocolate and beer. Not to mention the cheapest cigars in Western Europe, inventing mayonnaise with chips and being able to run reasonably successfully without an elected government.
All told Belgium has some good things going for it. Shame the place is such a dump.
Mr L
good evening, hope 2017 is treating you well
Wotcha, Mr. Brooke. Got the decorators in, which makes life bloody grizzly and the cat died last month so Herself is still in mourning and moping around the house. Oh, and my back is giving me major gip (am having to use a stick on my morning walk). On the bright side the local off-licence is doing a deal, a litre of The Grouse for seventeen quid, so at least the pain-killer is cheap, and my son hasn't asked for money for a good three weeks. On the whole, mustn't grumble,
Oh
Sad to hear about your kitty ;[
Thank you, Mr. Star. He was a stray who adopted us in 2002 and was, according to the vet, about six years old then. So he had a good innings. Aside from the first three weeks of our marriage, it is the first time in wife's life she has not had at least one cat about the place and I have to admit it does feel strange.
However, the big downside is that Herself is talking about using this feline interregnum as a chance for us to going travelling. Together! She has already fixed up a mini-break in Durham in April and is talking about a cruise! I need to find a couple of stray cats quickly.
Lot to be said for Durham. Centre of the city is one of the finer places in U.K.
Durham is great. A fabulous Cathedral, a fine city centre, and Cafe Rouge on the bridge over the Wear.
Its interesting how almost all of the great medieval cathedrals are now in small to middle sized cities and towns - Durham, York, Lincoln, Wells, Winchester, Salisbury.
If they were being built now they would be located in big cities and consequently lose their grandeur.
May be excessive dominance of the local area by the church stunted growth?
There is no easily extractable coal or ore within a reasonable distance of York.
Its interesting how almost all of the great medieval cathedrals are now in small to middle sized cities and towns - Durham, York, Lincoln, Wells, Winchester, Salisbury.
If they were being built now they would be located in big cities and consequently lose their grandeur.
May be excessive dominance of the local area by the church stunted growth?
There is no easily extractable coal or ore within a reasonable distance of York.
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so much for diversity
is it because shes a woman ?
18-24: 40 (-6)
25-34: 34 (-6)
35-64: 27 (-7)
65+:....17 (+1)
AB: 23 (-5)
C1: 23 (-10)
C2: 29 (+1)
DE: 32 (-5)
Scotland: 12 (-4)
Wales: 34 (+2)
North: 31 (-6) - Copeland???
Midlands: 23 (-7) - Stoke
South: 23 (-5)
Remain 36 (-8)
Leave 15 (-5)
(2/1,000) * 40,000 = 80
£80 per year = £1.60 per week
https://twitter.com/donaeldunready/status/828975409341595650
Even tim had better ideas than thirty years of governments of all colours.
I need a food phrase book.
Doesn't look that right wing to me, specifically on foreign and some other issues.
I believe there is a translate app for android which will translate as you scan
Selfish pensioner too ugh
18-24: 2 (-4)
25-34: 13 (+8)
35-64: 10 (+3)
65+:....8 (+3)
AB: 14 (+4)
C1: 11 (+5)
C2: 5 (+3)
DE: 6 (=)
Scotland: 9 (+4)
Wales: 8 (+2)
North: 9 (+4)
Midlands: 9 (+3)
South: 12 (+3)
Remain 15 (+6)
Leave 5 (+2)
Kate Hoey is to the right of most Tories - it is a mystery why she is even in the Labour Party (other than being guaranteed a place in parliament on a red rosette ticket in blood scarlet Vauxhall). That said, the Labour Leavers are an odd and motley bunch: Hoey a right winger who is in the wrong party, Ronnie Campbell an ultra socialist twice-arrested striking miner who opposes gay marriage; Gisela Stuart a German immigrant hardcore eurosceptic; and Kelvin Hopkins a hard left winger who hates Europe more than Nigel Farage.
In a parallel universe, Hoey could be leader of UKIP right now...
you dont like women
you dont like ethnics
you dont like oldies
you dont like lefties
diversity in action
However, the big downside is that Herself is talking about using this feline interregnum as a chance for us to going travelling. Together! She has already fixed up a mini-break in Durham in April and is talking about a cruise! I need to find a couple of stray cats quickly.
these days Labour is all about middle class white blokes and their partners.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0pyA6jAM3_I
Everything about it was pure farce (Bob Geldof and his multi-millionaires, Farage and Hoey, the Grimsby fishermen turning their hoses on the millionaires, etc...)
The only thing missing was one of the boats sinking... But you can't have everything.
Take a look at the AV map:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Kingdom_Alternative_Vote_referendum,_2011#/media/File:United_Kingdom_AV_referendum_area_results.svg
You get the green dots.
(a tim memorial moment...)
I'd been thinking about going up to Stoke to campaign for a few days, its a really important battle for the labour party and to keep UKIP at bay. My heart says I should, but then I keep returning to the position that unless the labour party can move Corbyn on then it simply has no hope. And what - other than the loss of these safe seats to the tories and UKIP - is going to bring people in the party to their senses?
If they were being built now they would be located in big cities and consequently lose their grandeur.
7 Con MPs voted against Govt: Heidi Allen, Clarke, Neill, Perry, Sandbach, Soubry, Tyrie
2 UUP voted against Govt
6 Lab MPs voted with Govt - as posted earlier
7 DUP MPs + Carswell voted with Govt
Abstentions: 9 Con, 11 Lab, 1 DUP
Govt won by 33.
So Govt would have lost if all Lab + DUP voted against them.
But not if just all Lab voted against them - then Govt still win by 10 - ie would be saved by DUP.
But big picture is that it's the Lab MPs voting with the Govt that make it comfortable - without them it would be close to being tense.
The 1983 manifesto supported leaving the EEC.