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    MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 50,125
    RobD said:

    I see both Farage and Doc Nuttall have fallen foul of European Parliament regulations and may well have to pay back considerable sums.


    The EU's revenge...
    The UK's exit leaves a far bigger black hole.
    Those EU accounts are gonna require some mighty impressive creativity.

    Chance of EU accounts being signed off post Brexit? Nil....
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    foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    isam said:

    isam said:

    isam said:

    isam said:

    Gareth Snell's Ratners moment... it was always going to happen, Glad I didn't go all in on Labour

    Still 50/50 in my book

    Gill Troughton is straight though.

    Finding Snell's deleted tweets is actually fairly easy. look at his followers, find one who is another Stoke Labour party member and look for retweets.



    Thanks.. yeah I did that vis his wife, but there was nothing that bad. Glad someone else found them though, what a prat.

    Half the reason I didn't stand for UKIP in the end was I knew I would be confronted with Enoch Powell quotes from here (even though isam isn't my real name!)
    Sure, he is a bit of a prat, but I didn't think his tweets that bad.

    I don't think either byelection will be dominated by Brexit. That is a done deal and the electorate has moved back to more mundane issues.

    What does UKIP offer the people of Stoke that Mays Conservatives do not? I think the Tories are too long there, particularly if the carpetbagger kipper is off the ballot.
    Well I agree that the Conservatives would be shorter if 47% of the market is kept off the ballot :smiley:

    I think that Tories will be second, ahead of the kippers.
    Want to bet?
    It is my basis for the 8/1 on UKIP less than 20% from Shadsy, as well as Laying UKIP on Betfair.

    I have enough exposure for the moment, but what odds do you have in mind?
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    White supremacist, principal Trump adviser and National Security Council member Steve Bannon predicts US war with China:

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/donald-trump-steve-bannon-china-south-sea-war-chinese-us-president-special-counsellor-a7556546.html

    It's great to be walking hand in hard with the Trump regime and to be providing such leadership for the world. Should make it very simple to get great trade deals.
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    CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 25,205
    @SeanT: since you seem to think that we're all THICK, I will leave this statement that you wrote earlier here - "Driverless cars are much smaller, because no drivers = again emptier roads" and let you work out, overnight, why you are talking rubbish.

    PS I don't think you are THICK. A bit OVEREXCITABLE, possibly.

    Still, I will be up early so am more than willing to have an argument with you when you wake up.

    :)
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    rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 54,001

    malcolmg said:

    If he cuts their money , the big salaries and huge expenses are out the window. They may want to watch what they wish for.
    If he cuts their money, the UN is dead, the US pays for over half the cost of the whole operation, and Trump isn't the sort of president to see much value in the UN. If they were smart they would keep very quiet over the next 4-8 years and hope he doesnt notice the 4ish billion dollars the US throws them every year.
    The US pays $670m/year according to the UN, 22% of the budget.

    http://daccess-ods.un.org/access.nsf/Get?Open&DS=ST/ADM/SER.B/910&Lang=E
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    Heavy losses feared as The Guardian forecasts it will burn £90m in cash this year

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2017/02/01/heavy-losses-feared-guardian-forecasts-will-burn-90m-cash-year/

    The Guardian on-line has started to ask for money at every opportunity, it’s odd to regularly see a begging letter appear during their live commentary feeds.

    Things are in bad shape, that’s for sure. - And good evening all.
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    JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 39,031
    SeanT said:

    Cyclefree said:




    If people are still driving but in driverless - and apparently much cheaper - cars, how will traffic problems have been solved?

    There will probably be advances in pollution control. That is a good thing. But a bit of healthy scepticism is in order. Remember when diesel cars were seen as the answer to our pollution issues?



    Jesus FUCKING Christ PB-ers are THICK.

    This is how it works. Driverless cars are all linked to one system. Because they are computers. They will be instructed to slow down or speed up by Overall Traffic Control as and when traffic demands, the way human drivers are told to slow down or speed up on motorways - but humans are unreliable, computers always obey.

    This will, by itself, immeasurably improve traffic in cities. Your driverless car will work out the best way to your destination, that maximises traffic flow FOR EVERYONE.

    Driverless cars are electric = no pollution. Roads will be emptier without all the crap that goes with human cars, petrol stations etc. Driverless cars are much smaller, because no drivers = again emptier roads. On and on and on. There won't be parked cars clogging roads, almost no one will have private cars, the way no one has a carriage and horses today, or stables in the mews.

    I often forget that the mental age of PB is 82.
    Four points:

    1) You are talking about a different thing: an Overall Traffic Control will be useful, but irrelevant for autonomous cars. In fact, many people were (and perhaps still are) looking at beacons on cars, so all cars will know what other cars around them are about to do, or even warn each other of hazards (someone about to step off the pavement ahead; a cyclist fifty yards up the road). There are massive issues with this (e.g. spoofing), as there would be with OTC.

    2) "Driverless cars are electric". LOL. They may be, but they don't have to be - the propulsion system is irrelevant. I await for the first autonomous steam car with combined turbine. ;)

    3) You are on firmer ground with your penultimate paragraph. If/when level-5 autonomous cars come along, it will be truly transformative, although you haven't necessarily thought through many of the implications.

    4) If the mental age of PB is 82, then the level of alcohol in your system must be well over 82 milligrams per 100 millilitres of blood. ;)

    Enjoy yourself!
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    Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    And another one goes...

    @iainjwatson: I understand Rachael Maskell is prepared to leave the labour front bench (shadow Defra) over voting against article 50.
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    Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    @SkyNewsBreak: Labour MPs Rachael Maskell and Dawn Butler have resigned from the Shadow Cabinet over vote to trigger the formal process of leaving the EU
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    Scott_P said:

    @SkyNewsBreak: Labour MPs Rachael Maskell and Dawn Butler have resigned from the Shadow Cabinet over vote to trigger the formal process of leaving the EU

    The fact Dawn "Obama Best Friend" Butler is in the Shadow Cabinet says a lot about the lack of quality...
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    isamisam Posts: 40,930
    edited February 2017

    isam said:

    isam said:

    isam said:

    isam said:

    Gareth Snell's Ratners moment... it was always going to happen, Glad I didn't go all in on Labour

    Still 50/50 in my book

    Gill Troughton is straight though.

    Finding Snell's deleted tweets is actually fairly easy. look at his followers, find one who is another Stoke Labour party member and look for retweets.



    Thanks.. yeah I did that vis his wife, but there was nothing that bad. Glad someone else found them though, what a prat.

    Half the reason I didn't stand for UKIP in the end was I knew I would be confronted with Enoch Powell quotes from here (even though isam isn't my real name!)
    Sure, he is a bit of a prat, but I didn't think his tweets that bad.

    I don't think either byelection will be dominated by Brexit. That is a done deal and the electorate has moved back to more mundane issues.

    What does UKIP offer the people of Stoke that Mays Conservatives do not? I think the Tories are too long there, particularly if the carpetbagger kipper is off the ballot.
    Well I agree that the Conservatives would be shorter if 47% of the market is kept off the ballot :smiley:

    I think that Tories will be second, ahead of the kippers.
    Want to bet?
    It is my basis for the 8/1 on UKIP less than 20% from Shadsy, as well as Laying UKIP on Betfair.

    I have enough exposure for the moment, but what odds do you have in mind?
    I'll offer 5/2 Tories bt UKIP on votes on the day. Both parties have to stand, bet settled on votes declared at the count.
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    The Labour rebellion seems to be spreading.
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    Mr. Observer, leaving aside other (significant) considerations, it'd be interesting to see Japan's response to a theoretical US-China war over, say, the South China Sea land grab.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J3VqF2dXje0
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    Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    It has been 0 days since the last Labour reshuffle...
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    MarkHopkinsMarkHopkins Posts: 5,584
    Scott_P said:

    @SkyNewsBreak: Labour MPs Rachael Maskell and Dawn Butler have resigned from the Shadow Cabinet over vote to trigger the formal process of leaving the EU


    So they're allowed to exercise their right to Leave the Shadow Cabinet, in order to try and stop us exercising our right to Leave the EU...

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    MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 50,125
    RobD said:

    I see both Farage and Doc Nuttall have fallen foul of European Parliament regulations and may well have to pay back considerable sums.


    The EU's revenge...
    The UK's exit leaves a far bigger black hole.
    Those EU accounts are gonna require some mighty impressive creativity.

    Chance of EU accounts being signed off post Brexit? Nil....
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    Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453

    The Labour rebellion seems to be spreading.

    Yes, a surprising number of them have discovered representative democracy.

    Of course if they vote against triggering, they may lose their seat.
    If they vote for it, they may lose their seat.

    Tough call...
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    dr_spyn said:
    Quotation marks missing around "work"? :)
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    RobDRobD Posts: 58,969
    Scott_P said:

    The Labour rebellion seems to be spreading.

    Yes, a surprising number of them have discovered representative democracy.

    Of course if they vote against triggering, they may lose their seat.
    If they vote for it, they may lose their seat.

    Tough call...
    Best to vote the way you believe in if the outcomes are the same
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    Scott_P said:

    The Labour rebellion seems to be spreading.

    Yes, a surprising number of them have discovered representative democracy.

    Of course if they vote against triggering, they may lose their seat.
    If they vote for it, they may lose their seat.

    Tough call...
    Yebbut they voted to give us a referendum, and ultimately they are accountable to us, the people.
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    MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 50,125
    Scott_P said:

    The Labour rebellion seems to be spreading.

    Yes, a surprising number of them have discovered representative democracy.

    Of course if they vote against triggering, they may lose their seat.
    If they vote for it, they may lose their seat.

    Tough call...
    And so, as predicted, Europe once again causes the Tory Party to meltdown, with....hang on a minute....
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    dr_spyndr_spyn Posts: 11,288

    dr_spyn said:
    Quotation marks missing around "work"? :)
    in a poundshop.
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    AlsoIndigoAlsoIndigo Posts: 1,852
    edited February 2017
    rcs1000 said:

    malcolmg said:

    If he cuts their money , the big salaries and huge expenses are out the window. They may want to watch what they wish for.
    If he cuts their money, the UN is dead, the US pays for over half the cost of the whole operation, and Trump isn't the sort of president to see much value in the UN. If they were smart they would keep very quiet over the next 4-8 years and hope he doesnt notice the 4ish billion dollars the US throws them every year.
    The US pays $670m/year according to the UN, 22% of the budget.

    http://daccess-ods.un.org/access.nsf/Get?Open&DS=ST/ADM/SER.B/910&Lang=E
    US also pays for most of the peacekeeping which is a separate budget totalling to an additional contribution of $2.402 billion last year.

    http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/patrick-goodenough/us-pays-3b-un-more-185-other-countries-combined
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    BromptonautBromptonaut Posts: 1,113

    SeanT said:

    Cyclefree said:




    If people are still driving but in driverless - and apparently much cheaper - cars, how will traffic problems have been solved?

    There will probably be advances in pollution control. That is a good thing. But a bit of healthy scepticism is in order. Remember when diesel cars were seen as the answer to our pollution issues?



    Jesus FUCKING Christ PB-ers are THICK.

    This is how it works. Driverless cars are all linked to one system. Because they are computers. They will be instructed to slow down or speed up by Overall Traffic Control as and when traffic demands, the way human drivers are told to slow down or speed up on motorways - but humans are unreliable, computers always obey.

    This will, by itself, immeasurably improve traffic in cities. Your driverless car will work out the best way to your destination, that maximises traffic flow FOR EVERYONE.

    Driverless cars are electric = no pollution. Roads will be emptier without all the crap that goes with human cars, petrol stations etc. Driverless cars are much smaller, because no drivers = again emptier roads. On and on and on. There won't be parked cars clogging roads, almost no one will have private cars, the way no one has a carriage and horses today, or stables in the mews.

    I often forget that the mental age of PB is 82.
    Four points:

    1) You are talking about a different thing: an Overall Traffic Control will be useful, but irrelevant for autonomous cars. In fact, many people were (and perhaps still are) looking at beacons on cars, so all cars will know what other cars around them are about to do, or even warn each other of hazards (someone about to step off the pavement ahead; a cyclist fifty yards up the road). There are massive issues with this (e.g. spoofing), as there would be with OTC.

    2) "Driverless cars are electric". LOL. They may be, but they don't have to be - the propulsion system is irrelevant. I await for the first autonomous steam car with combined turbine. ;)

    3) You are on firmer ground with your penultimate paragraph. If/when level-5 autonomous cars come along, it will be truly transformative, although you haven't necessarily thought through many of the implications.

    4) If the mental age of PB is 82, then the level of alcohol in your system must be well over 82 milligrams per 100 millilitres of blood. ;)

    Enjoy yourself!
    The impact of AVs on total veh-km is very uncertain, but there is a strong chance they will lead to an increase, and hence more congestion.

    We currently have a problem with high numbers of single occupancy car trips. Encouraging car sharing, for example by laying out HOV lanes, is one design response to this.

    AVs make the problem worse because they generate zero car occupancy trips. I wouldn't buy shares in car park operators though.
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    Is someone keeping a running total of Shadow Cabinet resignations since Corbyn became leader? It must be a Guinness Book of Records entry by now.
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    Mr. Nabavi, Corbyn is putting socialism into action by having everyone in the PLP be a Shadow Cabinet member at one point or another. Truly, a champion of equality.
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    RobDRobD Posts: 58,969



    The impact of AVs on total veh-km is very uncertain, but there is a strong chance they will lead to an increase, and hence more congestion.

    We currently have a problem with high numbers of single occupancy car trips. Encouraging car sharing, for example by laying out HOV lanes, is one design response to this.

    AVs make the problem worse because they generate zero car occupancy trips. I wouldn't buy shares in car park operators though.

    FINALLY, an AV thread!!!!

    Ah, my coat! :D
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    dr_spyndr_spyn Posts: 11,288
    Paul Waugh tweeting more resignations to come..
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    Black_RookBlack_Rook Posts: 8,905

    Is someone keeping a running total of Shadow Cabinet resignations since Corbyn became leader? It must be a Guinness Book of Records entry by now.

    Indeed. There are so many malcontents in the PLP that one wonders whether he can find enough MPs left who are willing to fill all the shadow ministerial positions? They'll be like the LibDems before much longer, doubling up and looking for more recruits in the Lords.
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    Dawn Butler resigning to spend more with her family in the jacuzzi bath we paid for.
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    SimonStClareSimonStClare Posts: 7,976
    edited February 2017

    Is someone keeping a running total of Shadow Cabinet resignations since Corbyn became leader? It must be a Guinness Book of Records entry by now.

    Do Labour MPs that have resigned twice, count as one or two..?
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    Is someone keeping a running total of Shadow Cabinet resignations since Corbyn became leader? It must be a Guinness Book of Records entry by now.

    Do Labour MPs that have resigned twice, count as one or two..?
    Is it like Costa, 5 resignations and you get a free one?
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    Is someone keeping a running total of Shadow Cabinet resignations since Corbyn became leader? It must be a Guinness Book of Records entry by now.

    Do Labour MPs that have resigned twice, count as one or two..?
    Two, I think.
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    JobabobJobabob Posts: 3,807

    Mr. Nabavi, Corbyn is putting socialism into action by having everyone in the PLP be a Shadow Cabinet member at one point or another. Truly, a champion of equality.

    Ha! Another career opportunity for @Pulpstar 's fabled cat beckons?
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    AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670
    How would an automated language translation AI translate a sentence that was written to be delibertly ambiguous in the language it is written in but the target language to be translated to does not have the grammatical structures to replicate that same ambiguity.
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    mattmatt Posts: 3,789
    SeanT said:

    Cyclefree said:

    SeanT said:

    SeanT said:

    Cyclefree said:

    SeanT said:

    SeanT said:

    Whatevne security hack away from joining the Microsoft Zune.

    No, theckly.
    No doubt. But there are downsides even to technologies of the future.

    Look at email: all those things set down which should have been said not recorded electronically. There are bankers in prison ruing the day they ever used email or chat or text etc.

    Personally, I like driving. I enjoy being in control in my own space with my own music. I like having a beautiful looking car. I hate being a passenger.
    I agree. Imanure, and pure finders, and livery, and coaching inns.
    I’m still mind-boggl;ing over a mix of driverless cars and motor-si taxis in Bangkok.
    These thioblems, and most of your traffic problems. Miraculous.
    If people are still driving but in driverless - and apparently much cheaper - cars, how will traffic problems have been solved?

    There will probably be advances in pollution control. That is a good thing. But a bit of healthy scepticism is in order. Remember when diesel cars were seen as the answer to our pollution issues?



    Jesus FUCKING Christ PB-ers are THICK.

    This is how it works. Driverless cars are all linked to one system. Because they are computers. They will be instructed to slow down or speed up by Overall Traffic Control as and when traffic demands, the way human drivers are told to slow down or speed up on motorways - but humans are unreliable, computers always obey.

    This will, by itself, immeasurably improve traffic in cities. Your driverless car will work out the best way to your destination, that maximises traffic flow FOR EVERYONE.


    Driverless cars are electric = no pollution. Roads will be emptier without all the crap that goes with human cars, petrol stations etc. Driverless cars are much smaller, because no drivers = again emptier roads. On and on and on. There won't be parked cars clogging roads, almost no one will have private cars, the way no one has a carriage and horses today, or stables in the mews.

    I often forget that the mental age of PB is 82.

    I'd have a look at the problems with signalling systems on railways, an infinitely simpler system. Then curb your priapism.
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 75,929
    Jobabob said:

    Mr. Nabavi, Corbyn is putting socialism into action by having everyone in the PLP be a Shadow Cabinet member at one point or another. Truly, a champion of equality.

    Ha! Another career opportunity for @Pulpstar 's fabled cat beckons?
    https://twitter.com/Pulpstar/status/826863673994002432
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    I wonder if Mike's had an advance preview.

    https://twitter.com/MSmithsonPB/status/826856394850721796
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    dr_spyndr_spyn Posts: 11,288
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    RoyalBlueRoyalBlue Posts: 3,223
    Jenny Chapman is awful.

    Who's the young chap to her left?
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    JobabobJobabob Posts: 3,807
    Pulpstar said:

    Jobabob said:

    Mr. Nabavi, Corbyn is putting socialism into action by having everyone in the PLP be a Shadow Cabinet member at one point or another. Truly, a champion of equality.

    Ha! Another career opportunity for @Pulpstar 's fabled cat beckons?
    https://twitter.com/Pulpstar/status/826863673994002432
    A simple and clear policy platform. One to watch.
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    Scott_P said:

    The Labour rebellion seems to be spreading.

    Yes, a surprising number of them have discovered representative democracy.

    Of course if they vote against triggering, they may lose their seat.
    If they vote for it, they may lose their seat.

    Tough call...
    And so, as predicted, Europe once again causes the Tory Party to meltdown, with....hang on a minute....
    Could cause split in Lab AND LD (remember them).
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    Dr. Spyn, if they go, there will be trouble.
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    rkrkrkrkrkrk Posts: 7,908

    rcs1000 said:

    malcolmg said:

    If he cuts their money , the big salaries and huge expenses are out the window. They may want to watch what they wish for.
    If he cuts their money, the UN is dead, the US pays for over half the cost of the whole operation, and Trump isn't the sort of president to see much value in the UN. If they were smart they would keep very quiet over the next 4-8 years and hope he doesnt notice the 4ish billion dollars the US throws them every year.
    The US pays $670m/year according to the UN, 22% of the budget.

    http://daccess-ods.un.org/access.nsf/Get?Open&DS=ST/ADM/SER.B/910&Lang=E
    US also pays for most of the peacekeeping which is a separate budget totalling to an additional contribution of $2.402 billion last year.

    http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/patrick-goodenough/us-pays-3b-un-more-185-other-countries-combined
    "The U.S. contribution to the separate, and much larger, peacekeeping budget is 28.36 percent this year"

    From the article you cited. So they pay the most... But not most of the peace keeping budget.
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    rkrkrkrkrkrk Posts: 7,908
    edited February 2017
    Accidental double post.
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    JobabobJobabob Posts: 3,807
    Clive Lewis has pledged to resign. Should be an Endangered mark on him.
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    dr_spyndr_spyn Posts: 11,288

    Dr. Spyn, if they go, there will be trouble.

    Hard to see how Whips can stay in place if they rebel.
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    I wonder if Mike's had an advance preview.

    https://twitter.com/MSmithsonPB/status/826856394850721796

    Markets seem unmoved.
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    Blue_rogBlue_rog Posts: 2,019

    Dr. Spyn, if they go, there will be trouble.

    If they stay it will be doublr

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    NickPalmerNickPalmer Posts: 21,339
    Personally I think the issue is an exceptional case and Corbyn can reasonably reappoint people afterwards.

    On thread, I wonder if we've seen the last twist in the story. If I were either of the left-wing candidates I'd be pretty cheesed off that Macron is walking away with it and open to a suggestion of an agreed ticket. And if I was one of their voters I'd be pretty cheesed off if they refused to do it. Perhaps we may end up with an unexpected finale, like Macron vs Hamon.
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    tlg86tlg86 Posts: 25,190

    I wonder if Mike's had an advance preview.

    https://twitter.com/MSmithsonPB/status/826856394850721796

    I wonder how many of the voters in Stoke will be watching C4 News?
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    Paul Waugh✔@paulwaugh At least 4 more LabMPs expected to quit fbench (inc 3 whips)

    Comes to a pretty pass when the cat herders are the ones doing the rebelling.
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    Pulpstar said:

    The Macron-Fillon dynamic works against Le Pen in the first round - whoever of those two wins will be sufficiently popular in the second round to win. In fact the VI required 41-59 poll for Fillon probably sees him (Via Bayes and whatnot) lose to Macron in the first round.

    I've got those two dutched against Le Pen currently, with a comedy saver on Sarko.

    Pulpstar said:

    The Macron-Fillon dynamic works against Le Pen in the first round - whoever of those two wins will be sufficiently popular in the second round to win. In fact the VI required 41-59 poll for Fillon probably sees him (Via Bayes and whatnot) lose to Macron in the first round.

    I've got those two dutched against Le Pen currently, with a comedy saver on Sarko.

    No suppey on Juppe?
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    Does anyone know how many labour MPs will rebel
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    tlg86 said:

    I wonder if Mike's had an advance preview.

    https://twitter.com/MSmithsonPB/status/826856394850721796

    I wonder how many of the voters in Stoke will be watching C4 News?
    Depends how many whose remote batteries on the blink and haven't switched over after HollyOaks.
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    foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    isam said:

    isam said:

    isam said:

    isam said:

    isam said:

    Gareth Snell's Ratners moment... it was always going to happen, Glad I didn't go all in on Labour

    Still 50/50 in my book

    Gill Troughton is straight though.

    Finding Snell's deleted tweets is actually fairly easy. look at his followers, find one who is another Stoke Labour party member and look for retweets.



    Thanks.. yeah I did that vis his wife, but there was nothing that bad. Glad someone else found them though, what a prat.

    Half the reason I didn't stand for UKIP in the end was I knew I would be confronted with Enoch Powell quotes from here (even though isam isn't my real name!)
    Sure, he is a bit of a prat, but I didn't think his tweets that bad.

    I don't think either byelection will be dominated by Brexit. That is a done deal and the electorate has moved back to more mundane issues.

    What does UKIP offer the people of Stoke that Mays Conservatives do not? I think the Tories are too long there, particularly if the carpetbagger kipper is off the ballot.
    Well I agree that the Conservatives would be shorter if 47% of the market is kept off the ballot :smiley:

    I think that Tories will be second, ahead of the kippers.
    Want to bet?
    It is my basis for the 8/1 on UKIP less than 20% from Shadsy, as well as Laying UKIP on Betfair.

    I have enough exposure for the moment, but what odds do you have in mind?
    I'll offer 5/2 Tories bt UKIP on votes on the day. Both parties have to stand, bet settled on votes declared at the count.
    Let me do my sums on these byelections. Back later.
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    The_TaxmanThe_Taxman Posts: 2,979
    edited February 2017
    I had wondered whether Corbyn was setting up his Labour backbench critics who vote against A50 legislation for deselection. Who he would replace them with makes the mind boggle!

    Corbyn is such a mystery in what he does, the only constant is his inconsistency.



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    Personally I think the issue is an exceptional case and Corbyn can reasonably reappoint people afterwards.

    On thread, I wonder if we've seen the last twist in the story. If I were either of the left-wing candidates I'd be pretty cheesed off that Macron is walking away with it and open to a suggestion of an agreed ticket. And if I was one of their voters I'd be pretty cheesed off if they refused to do it. Perhaps we may end up with an unexpected finale, like Macron vs Hamon.

    I'm staying long on Hamon.
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    AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395

    Does anyone know how many labour MPs will rebel

    Probably around 50.
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    AlsoIndigoAlsoIndigo Posts: 1,852
    .
    rkrkrk said:

    rcs1000 said:

    malcolmg said:

    If he cuts their money , the big salaries and huge expenses are out the window. They may want to watch what they wish for.
    If he cuts their money, the UN is dead, the US pays for over half the cost of the whole operation, and Trump isn't the sort of president to see much value in the UN. If they were smart they would keep very quiet over the next 4-8 years and hope he doesnt notice the 4ish billion dollars the US throws them every year.
    The US pays $670m/year according to the UN, 22% of the budget.

    http://daccess-ods.un.org/access.nsf/Get?Open&DS=ST/ADM/SER.B/910&Lang=E
    US also pays for most of the peacekeeping which is a separate budget totalling to an additional contribution of $2.402 billion last year.

    http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/patrick-goodenough/us-pays-3b-un-more-185-other-countries-combined
    "The U.S. contribution to the separate, and much larger, peacekeeping budget is 28.36 percent this year"

    From the article you cited. So they pay the most... But not most of the peace keeping budget.
    So the UN will be fine if Trump pulls the plug, that's good to know ;)
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    AndyJS said:

    Does anyone know how many labour MPs will rebel

    Probably around 50.
    Thats a very precise number, do you know them all?
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    Cyclefree said:

    @SeanT: since you seem to think that we're all THICK, I will leave this statement that you wrote earlier here - "Driverless cars are much smaller, because no drivers = again emptier roads" and let you work out, overnight, why you are talking rubbish.

    PS I don't think you are THICK. A bit OVEREXCITABLE, possibly.

    Still, I will be up early so am more than willing to have an argument with you when you wake up.

    :)

    Sean seems to think that driverless cars will also mean passengerless cars. He really is a bit slow this evening.
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    MTimTMTimT Posts: 7,034
    RobD said:

    The true test of an AI, the blockquote.

    A post indistinguishable from a SeanT post ...
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    AlsoIndigoAlsoIndigo Posts: 1,852

    AndyJS said:

    Does anyone know how many labour MPs will rebel

    Probably around 50.
    Thats a very precise number, do you know them all?
    The Grauniad thinks 30+

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/feb/01/labours-real-battle-brexit-starts-article-50-triggered-emily-thornberry-
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    rkrkrkrkrkrk Posts: 7,908

    .

    rkrkrk said:

    rcs1000 said:

    malcolmg said:

    If he cuts their money , the big salaries and huge expenses are out the window. They may want to watch what they wish for.
    If he cuts their money, the UN is dead, the US pays for over half the cost of the whole operation, and Trump isn't the sort of president to see much value in the UN. If they were smart they would keep very quiet over the next 4-8 years and hope he doesnt notice the 4ish billion dollars the US throws them every year.
    The US pays $670m/year according to the UN, 22% of the budget.

    http://daccess-ods.un.org/access.nsf/Get?Open&DS=ST/ADM/SER.B/910&Lang=E
    US also pays for most of the peacekeeping which is a separate budget totalling to an additional contribution of $2.402 billion last year.

    http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/patrick-goodenough/us-pays-3b-un-more-185-other-countries-combined
    "The U.S. contribution to the separate, and much larger, peacekeeping budget is 28.36 percent this year"

    From the article you cited. So they pay the most... But not most of the peace keeping budget.
    So the UN will be fine if Trump pulls the plug, that's good to know ;)
    No it will be bad for them certainly.

    Just pointing out that you twice mistated the extent of the US contribution according to your source.
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    The_TaxmanThe_Taxman Posts: 2,979

    AndyJS said:

    Does anyone know how many labour MPs will rebel

    Probably around 50.
    Thats a very precise number, do you know them all?
    Why is an opposition MP voting against something they don't believe in being seen as a rebellion? I know that Corbyn has a three line whip but isn't it the duty of her majesties loyal opposition to oppose all government measures?

    Again, Corbyn has been found wanting, although the conspiracy theorist in me wonders whether Brexit is something he always wanted as it brings a hard left UK government in his eyes closer?
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    AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    RoyalBlue said:

    Jenny Chapman is awful.

    Who's the young chap to her left?

    I think it's Matthew Pennycook, MP for Greenwich and Woolwich.
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    rkrkrkrkrkrk Posts: 7,908

    Personally I think the issue is an exceptional case and Corbyn can reasonably reappoint people afterwards.

    On thread, I wonder if we've seen the last twist in the story. If I were either of the left-wing candidates I'd be pretty cheesed off that Macron is walking away with it and open to a suggestion of an agreed ticket. And if I was one of their voters I'd be pretty cheesed off if they refused to do it. Perhaps we may end up with an unexpected finale, like Macron vs Hamon.

    I'm staying long on Hamon.
    Me too. I'm green except for Le Pen...
    If it ended up Hamon vs. Le Pen I'd get worried though...
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,285
    edited February 2017
    Blockquote error on my part...I thought the "about 50" was talking about the number of people in Stoke who watch CH4 news...
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    AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    edited February 2017

    AndyJS said:

    Does anyone know how many labour MPs will rebel

    Probably around 50.
    Thats a very precise number, do you know them all?
    No, it's a rough guess. Probably wrong.
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    Blue_rogBlue_rog Posts: 2,019

    Personally I think the issue is an exceptional case and Corbyn can reasonably reappoint people afterwards.
    .

    Nick,

    Much as I admire your loyalty to the party, personally I find it difficult to comprehend how an organisation can function properly if the rules are optional. One of the Tories great strengths is that the rule book is applied with a rod of iron and all the party knows it.

    A similar thought process appertained when Brown was in charge therefore no coup really got off the ground. Now, we have a Labour Party where there's no philosophy and anything goes.
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    I'm trying to work out the ways that this pic will get PB Tories excited. Haven't quite managed it yet, but I definitely know that it will.

    https://twitter.com/WingsScotland/status/826864850311794689
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    MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 44,427
    rkrkrk said:

    rcs1000 said:

    malcolmg said:

    If he cuts their money , the big salaries and huge expenses are out the window. They may want to watch what they wish for.
    If he cuts their money, the UN is dead, the US pays for over half the cost of the whole operation, and Trump isn't the sort of president to see much value in the UN. If they were smart they would keep very quiet over the next 4-8 years and hope he doesnt notice the 4ish billion dollars the US throws them every year.
    The US pays $670m/year according to the UN, 22% of the budget.

    http://daccess-ods.un.org/access.nsf/Get?Open&DS=ST/ADM/SER.B/910&Lang=E
    US also pays for most of the peacekeeping which is a separate budget totalling to an additional contribution of $2.402 billion last year.

    http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/patrick-goodenough/us-pays-3b-un-more-185-other-countries-combined
    "The U.S. contribution to the separate, and much larger, peacekeeping budget is 28.36 percent this year"

    From the article you cited. So they pay the most... But not most of the peace keeping budget.
    The US also provides quite a lot of "incidental support" - use of airbases etc for the UN. There have been complaints from the Pentagon in the past that this is a cost that they have to swallow out of operational budgets.
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    Re: Driverless cars.
    1. More of them can travel on the same road space simply because they can travel closer together.
    2. The cost per electric car is heading to be well under £10,000 a car - probably closer to £5,000 within 10 years.
    3. Since most people will be hiring their car on a time basis, they will have a natural incentive to use them at times of least cost and least congestion.
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    Here we go with "Dr" Nuttall story.
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    Faisal Islam on Sky is introducing every single negative speech including 50 billion to leave with absolutely no balance. His body language for weeks has been pro EU and he would look at home on CNN.

    I thought Sky had to provide balance but it is totally lacking from him

    Very poor
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    Blockquote error on my part...I thought the "about 50" was talking about the number of people in Stoke who watch CH4 news...

    Yeah, I had that thought too.

    C4News peaks at around 800k viewers, the UK population is around 65 million, the Stoke Central electorate is about 65k, so if C4News viewers are evenly distributed around the country, about 800.

    In reality, they aren't and it will be less than that.
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    100 voted for the SNP amendment.
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    AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    Ayes 100
    Noes 336
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    100 MPs who think we are idiots.
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    The Donald would walk it in Stoke by the sounds of it....
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    650 MPs - 436 voted - where are the rest
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    AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395

    650 MPs - 436 voted - where are the rest

    Their buttocks clenched on the fence.
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    650 MPs - 436 voted - where are the rest

    Hiding in the loos.
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    Black_RookBlack_Rook Posts: 8,905
    Jobabob said:

    Clive Lewis has pledged to resign. Should be an Endangered mark on him.
    Perhaps we could deploy the threatened species classification system?

    Vulnerable, Endangered, Critically Endangered... Extinct.
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    The Donald would walk it in Stoke by the sounds of it....

    Is that from channel 4
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    AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    33 Labour rebels voting with SNP, could be higher for the next vote.
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    AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395

    The Donald would walk it in Stoke by the sounds of it....

    Is that from channel 4
    In 1992 more people voted Labour in Stoke Central than in 82 of 84 London constituencies.
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    JasonJason Posts: 1,614
    I was expecting some devastating revelation on C4 news....what a damp squib. More hype.
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    williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 48,071

    The Donald would walk it in Stoke by the sounds of it....

    They don't want sovereignty, just a strongman dictator.
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    CD13CD13 Posts: 6,351
    "I thought Sky had to provide balance but it is totally lacking from him"

    To be fair to the BBC, they nay have a Metropolitan Liberal bias at times, but they do try be impartial. It only comes over occasionally in manner rather than in deliberate partiality.
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    The Donald would walk it in Stoke by the sounds of it....

    They don't want sovereignty, just a strongman dictator.
    You may think that, but I couldn't possibly comment.
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    chestnutchestnut Posts: 7,341

    Does anyone know how many labour MPs will rebel

    Looks like all the big city metro and uni MPs.
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    Ian Murray labour's shadow Scotland Minister rebelled - sack him and no Scots based labour minister
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    tlg86tlg86 Posts: 25,190
    CD13 said:

    "I thought Sky had to provide balance but it is totally lacking from him"

    To be fair to the BBC, they nay have a Metropolitan Liberal bias at times, but they do try be impartial. It only comes over occasionally in manner rather than in deliberate partiality.

    Agreed. Dominic Cummings said he thought Laura K was very good during the referendum. Faisal Islam and the rest of Sky News have gone into complete meltdown since 23 June.
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