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So here we are. The Article 50 bill starts in the Commons with Mr. Corbyn ordering his MPs to back the Tories – something that is going to be remembered.
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Jez is crap, he's the worst strategist since Japan decided to attack the American Pacific fleet at Pearl Harbor to keep America out of WWII.0
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Second.0
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And you cannot polish a turd.TheScreamingEagles said:Jez is crap, he's the worst strategist since Japan decided to attack the American Pacific fleet at Pearl Harbor to keep America out of WWII.
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Completely agree. The man's an idiot and in a stroke lost the last vestige of a reason to vote for him0
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It's mad because the sort of person who voted Leave won't give credit to Corbyn for this, and they will raise an eyebrow at his stance on immigration.0
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Let's make
Americanew threads great again.0 -
Seems like we should give more credit to the Agent Corbyn hypothesis.0
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Corbyn = Tory!!!!Philip_Thompson said:Seems like we should give more credit to the Agent Corbyn hypothesis.
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@Pulpstar - This is Tusk's open letter - http://www.consilium.europa.eu/press-releases-pdf/2017/1/47244654122_en.pdf0
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No, Corbyn has taken the right path here. If Labour wanted to give themselves the freedom to ignore the result of the referendum, they should have opposed the European Union Referendum Bill 2015. It's too late now to decide that they don't like the result.
(The same goes for the LibDems, of course, but they'll get away with it).0 -
TheScreamingEagles said:
Jez is crap, he's the worst strategist since Pakistan decided to attack the Indian Air Force bases to keep India out of the Bangladesh War.
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Why would someone lose their most valuable USP? This won't gain him a single vote but it'll lose him hundreds of thousands. I really think the problem is that he's not very brightPhilip_Thompson said:Seems like we should give more credit to the Agent Corbyn hypothesis.
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Oddly enough you can - Lloyds Bank Coprolite in York was, for a number of years, used as a hands-on museum exhibit and, after a while, developed a distinct sheen from all the handling.MikeSmithson said:
And you cannot polish a turd.TheScreamingEagles said:Jez is crap, he's the worst strategist since Japan decided to attack the American Pacific fleet at Pearl Harbor to keep America out of WWII.
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Time to replace him with the Cambridge educated Diane Abbott.Roger said:
Why would someone lose their most valuable USP? This won't gain him a single vote but it'll lose him hundreds of thousands. I really think the problem is that he's not very brightPhilip_Thompson said:Seems like we should give more credit to the Agent Corbyn hypothesis.
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Incidentally, if the Netherlands, Germany, France and Austria have veil bans and elsewhere adopts such a ban, then the UK either does likewise or becomes, ahem, Mecca for those who prefer to wear the burkha.
I'd be surprised if numbers don't rapidly rise (again) unless such a ban occurs. but I don't see one happening.0 -
Our policy is correct, and I am most happy that the majority of our MPs accept that the people have spoken, and parliament should reflect the result.
If I was in the CLP of a Labour MP who is voting against, I would be making a fuss.0 -
Either way Labour are stuffed, gratifyingly.0
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You can. But I recommend freezing it first.MikeSmithson said:
And you cannot polish a turd.TheScreamingEagles said:Jez is crap, he's the worst strategist since Japan decided to attack the American Pacific fleet at Pearl Harbor to keep America out of WWII.
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Tusk declaring war on the US is hardly going to help remainerswilliamglenn said:@Pulpstar - This is Tusk's open letter - http://www.consilium.europa.eu/press-releases-pdf/2017/1/47244654122_en.pdf
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In the long run, I don't see any future for government controlled currencies.Casino_Royale said:
Some Europhiles may laugh (fair enough) but there were several times I was in tears - and very stressed - in 2001-2003 when I thought we might permanently and irrevocably lose economic control of this country. I had a few screaming arguments with those who were in favour.Animal_pb said:
Fair enough. I think most of us were in the same camp as Casino; the Euro felt like an existential threat that trumped all other considerations. It still felt wrong voting for someone who, with the best will in the world, was never going to look like a PM in waiting, though.david_herdson said:
Probably not. At least Clarke was authentic. Portillo had reinvented himself into something he didn't seem comfortable in. Besides, I wasn't as spooked by the prospect of Euro entry as many Tory members.Animal_pb said:
That was a pretty weird moment: faced by the choice between IDS and Ken, I remember my reaction, essentially, being "oh, shit". Would you have voted for Portillo, if he'd got through?david_herdson said:
Because it didn't want either but IDS would be easier to get rid of. (Declaration of interest: I voted for Clarke).logical_song said:
Yet your party chose IDS over him. Why?TheScreamingEagles said:
The finest Chancellor of my lifetime.Animal_pb said:
Brown kept us out of the Euro (admittedly, just to spite Blair, but nonetheless, he did); May is taking us out of the EU. What, for all his gifts, did Clarke ever achieve?TheScreamingEagles said:To think nomarks like Gordon Brown and Theresa May became PM but Ken Clarke never did.
There ain't no justice in the world.
Superb Justice Secretary.
President of the Cambridge Union.
Eminent QC
For starters.
That far outweighed my preference for a cosmetic victory, or slightly less clear defeat, of the Conservative Party next to Blair's Labour Party following much the same policies at the time.
This economic age will end when governments think they can solve every problem via the printing press (sorry, quantitive easing). The hyper-inflation that comes with that will destroy trust in government controlled currencies, and we will either return to the gold standard, or to something like Bitcoin.0 -
Mr. Nabavi, not necessarily. A fresh challenge could topple Corbyn, and Labour would do rather better with another leader.0
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ever more or even more?0
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Which brings us quickly back to turd polishing.TheScreamingEagles said:
Time to replace him with the Cambridge educated Diane Abbott.Roger said:
Why would someone lose their most valuable USP? This won't gain him a single vote but it'll lose him hundreds of thousands. I really think the problem is that he's not very brightPhilip_Thompson said:Seems like we should give more credit to the Agent Corbyn hypothesis.
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Far too early to say whether Corbyn has made the right or wrong call on this.
If Brexit is a shambles... I think the Tories will be blamed.
But I think Labour saying... We would have done a better brexit... Might well prove more persuasive than the lib Dems saying we told you so to the voters.0 -
Learn something new everyday...wasd said:
Oddly enough you can - Lloyds Bank Coprolite in York was, for a number of years, used as a hands-on museum exhibit and, after a while, developed a distinct sheen from all the handling.MikeSmithson said:
And you cannot polish a turd.TheScreamingEagles said:Jez is crap, he's the worst strategist since Japan decided to attack the American Pacific fleet at Pearl Harbor to keep America out of WWII.
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Guido
This morning Khan told No10 to rescind Trump invite over travel ban. Tonight Khan hosts 11 nations with travel bans. https://t.co/Dnen5pTbzI https://t.co/xQuq2AHaOq0 -
It's a stupid letter. The Warsaw Pact in 1957 was a far greater threat than modern Russia, or populism in EU member States.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Tusk declaring war on the US is hardly going to help remainerswilliamglenn said:@Pulpstar - This is Tusk's open letter - http://www.consilium.europa.eu/press-releases-pdf/2017/1/47244654122_en.pdf
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He's not backing the Tories. He's not even backing the government.
He's backing the public.0 -
You can cover it in glitter though.MikeSmithson said:
And you cannot polish a turd.TheScreamingEagles said:Jez is crap, he's the worst strategist since Japan decided to attack the American Pacific fleet at Pearl Harbor to keep America out of WWII.
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France: the polls say Macron will get knocked out in the first round, but in the betting markets he's favourite to win the presidency.0
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Is that what those snowball cake things are?david_herdson said:
You can cover it in glitter though.MikeSmithson said:
And you cannot polish a turd.TheScreamingEagles said:Jez is crap, he's the worst strategist since Japan decided to attack the American Pacific fleet at Pearl Harbor to keep America out of WWII.
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On topic, Labour were stuffed whatever they did. As a rule, respecting the views of the people while opposing all the detail is the right call. It is ironic that if Corbyn does fall over this, and he might, he'd have been toppled on just about the one issue where he's more in touch with the public and with Labour's lost voters than the PLP is.0
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The right sort of travel bans?PlatoSaid said:Guido
This morning Khan told No10 to rescind Trump invite over travel ban. Tonight Khan hosts 11 nations with travel bans. https://t.co/Dnen5pTbzI https://t.co/xQuq2AHaOq0 -
Good point, unfortunately these minor points pass over many people's heads.ThreeQuidder said:He's not backing the Tories. He's not even backing the government.
He's backing the public.0 -
Not exactly stirring, is it?williamglenn said:@Pulpstar - This is Tusk's open letter - http://www.consilium.europa.eu/press-releases-pdf/2017/1/47244654122_en.pdf
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I think Emily Thornberry would be the left's choice this time.TheScreamingEagles said:
Time to replace him with the Cambridge educated Diane Abbott.Roger said:
Why would someone lose their most valuable USP? This won't gain him a single vote but it'll lose him hundreds of thousands. I really think the problem is that he's not very brightPhilip_Thompson said:Seems like we should give more credit to the Agent Corbyn hypothesis.
Diane, bless her, had her chance in 2010.
I'm not sure that the coalition in Hertsmere CLP of me and 10 other members are enough to get her over the line this time.
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As Keynes said, in the long run, we are all dead. I'm sure you're right, but I doubt anyone reading this thread will be alive to see it.rcs1000 said:
In the long run, I don't see any future for government controlled currencies.Casino_Royale said:
Some Europhiles may laugh (fair enough) but there were several times I was in tears - and very stressed - in 2001-2003 when I thought we might permanently and irrevocably lose economic control of this country. I had a few screaming arguments with those who were in favour.Animal_pb said:
Fair enough. I think most of us were in the same camp as Casino; the Euro felt like an existential threat that trumped all other considerations. It still felt wrong voting for someone who, with the best will in the world, was never going to look like a PM in waiting, though.david_herdson said:
Probably not. At least Clarke was authentic. Portillo had reinvented himself into something he didn't seem comfortable in. Besides, I wasn't as spooked by the prospect of Euro entry as many Tory members.Animal_pb said:
That was a pretty weird moment: faced by the choice between IDS and Ken, I remember my reaction, essentially, being "oh, shit". Would you have voted for Portillo, if he'd got through?david_herdson said:
Because it didn't want either but IDS would be easier to get rid of. (Declaration of interest: I voted for Clarke).logical_song said:
Yet your party chose IDS over him. Why?TheScreamingEagles said:
The finest Chancellor of my lifetime.Animal_pb said:
Brown kept us out of the Euro (admittedly, just to spite Blair, but nonetheless, he did); May is taking us out of the EU. What, for all his gifts, did Clarke ever achieve?TheScreamingEagles said:To think nomarks like Gordon Brown and Theresa May became PM but Ken Clarke never did.
There ain't no justice in the world.
Superb Justice Secretary.
President of the Cambridge Union.
Eminent QC
For starters.
That far outweighed my preference for a cosmetic victory, or slightly less clear defeat, of the Conservative Party next to Blair's Labour Party following much the same policies at the time.
This economic age will end when governments think they can solve every problem via the printing press (sorry, quantitive easing). The hyper-inflation that comes with that will destroy trust in government controlled currencies, and we will either return to the gold standard, or to something like Bitcoin.0 -
Quite right Mike. Some people seem to think that the Remain/Leave distinction is practically akin to the Protestant/Catholic one in Northern Ireland. Obvious nonsense. Why should your EU preference affect your voting intention after Brexit when it clearly had no effect during all the preceding years? The hard Right in particular is hijacking the Brexit majority as a way to smuggle in their own Trumpite agenda of darkness.0
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Hendon and Finchley currently have the highest number of signatures on the pro-Trump e-petition:
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The obvious position for Labour is to advocate the softest Brexit possible, while accepting that some MPs are not going to be able to vote to trigger Article 50. In the great scheme of things it is not a big deal, given that there is no chance the Commons will not vote for a trigger and the debate will soon move onto the kind of Brexit we are after and what we will get. That Corbyn has made such a mess of it is down to his abject leadership and the absolutely appalling advice he gets from those who surround him. Throw in his non-campaigning during the referendum and his long anti-European record, and the current shambles was always inevitable. A better leader would not have let it get to this stage - in fact, a better leader probably would have helped ensure a Remain win.rkrkrk said:Far too early to say whether Corbyn has made the right or wrong call on this.
If Brexit is a shambles... I think the Tories will be blamed.
But I think Labour saying... We would have done a better brexit... Might well prove more persuasive than the lib Dems saying we told you so to the voters.
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Guido is Steve Bannon manqué?Sean_F said:
The right sort of travel bans?PlatoSaid said:Guido
This morning Khan told No10 to rescind Trump invite over travel ban. Tonight Khan hosts 11 nations with travel bans. https://t.co/Dnen5pTbzI https://t.co/xQuq2AHaOq
Yes, they are - and not just in Britain.Stark_Dawning said:The hard Right in particular is hijacking the Brexit majority as a way to smuggle in their own Trumpite agenda of darkness.
Dutch election, 15 March. Wilders will be offered the chance to form a government. If he can't form one, it's unclear how long the caretaker period will last for. How will that play in France? "Far right wins election, but system won't let them take office?"
French election, 23 Apr and 7 May.
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Oh, I see this happening in the next 15 years.Animal_pb said:As Keynes said, in the long run, we are all dead. I'm sure you're right, but I doubt anyone reading this thread will be alive to see it.
Read "When Money Dies"; it's amazing how quickly a government can destroy savings, and confidence in the institution of money itself.
My point, of course, is that governments having control of their money is really a very modern construct - existing briefly in the pre-War period, and then post Bretton-Woods.0 -
You have to admire the EU's chutzpah, though. Their solution to all the ills of the early 21st century? More Europe.Sean_F said:
It's a stupid letter. The Warsaw Pact in 1957 was a far greater threat than modern Russia, or populism in EU member States.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Tusk declaring war on the US is hardly going to help remainerswilliamglenn said:@Pulpstar - This is Tusk's open letter - http://www.consilium.europa.eu/press-releases-pdf/2017/1/47244654122_en.pdf
Cannot see this ending well.0 -
But more credible as an appeal to be the global champion of free trade and the international order than Theresa May's.rcs1000 said:
Not exactly stirring, is it?williamglenn said:@Pulpstar - This is Tusk's open letter - http://www.consilium.europa.eu/press-releases-pdf/2017/1/47244654122_en.pdf
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Corbyn has done this simply because he's anti-EU and he has the right as party leader to impose a 3LW to enforce his opinions on the PLP. In that respect it's just one of many such clashes of opinion since he became leader. I think the jury's still out on whether the PLP will cope for another 3 years with this state of affairs.0
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Dan
I just had to RT this...made me properly laugh out loud. I'm just researching to find out who my local Count is https://t.co/xLOzTeaFSy
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Justin
.@aljwhite people in the U.K. Need to write their local Count or whatever the fuck they have that's like a senator/congressman.0 -
The latest poll had him just 1% behind Fillon. I think the betting market is merely reflecting the fact that Fillon continues to have troubles, and whoever accompanies Marine Le Pen into the second round is likely to beat her.Dromedary said:France: the polls say Macron will get knocked out in the first round, but in the betting markets he's favourite to win the presidency.
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Am I looking at the wrong letter here? Where is the declaration of war? All I see is a statement of fact: the new US administration's approach to foreign policy breaks the post-war US consensus. What am I missing?Big_G_NorthWales said:
Tusk declaring war on the US is hardly going to help remainerswilliamglenn said:@Pulpstar - This is Tusk's open letter - http://www.consilium.europa.eu/press-releases-pdf/2017/1/47244654122_en.pdf
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Didn't hear Theresa May declaring war on the USwilliamglenn said:
But more credible as an appeal to be the global champion of free trade and the international order than Theresa May's.rcs1000 said:
Not exactly stirring, is it?williamglenn said:@Pulpstar - This is Tusk's open letter - http://www.consilium.europa.eu/press-releases-pdf/2017/1/47244654122_en.pdf
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Is it really that objectionable a letter?Animal_pb said:
You have to admire the EU's chutzpah, though. Their solution to all the ills of the early 21st century? More Europe.Sean_F said:
It's a stupid letter. The Warsaw Pact in 1957 was a far greater threat than modern Russia, or populism in EU member States.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Tusk declaring war on the US is hardly going to help remainerswilliamglenn said:@Pulpstar - This is Tusk's open letter - http://www.consilium.europa.eu/press-releases-pdf/2017/1/47244654122_en.pdf
Cannot see this ending well.0 -
That's two people today who have mentioned Thornberry as next leader, or at least the left's candidate.Hertsmere_Pubgoer said:
I think Emily Thornberry would be the left's choice this time.TheScreamingEagles said:
Time to replace him with the Cambridge educated Diane Abbott.Roger said:
Why would someone lose their most valuable USP? This won't gain him a single vote but it'll lose him hundreds of thousands. I really think the problem is that he's not very brightPhilip_Thompson said:Seems like we should give more credit to the Agent Corbyn hypothesis.
Diane, bless her, had her chance in 2010.
I'm not sure that the coalition in Hertsmere CLP of me and 10 other members are enough to get her over the line this time.
I'm getting worried as I have a pile of bets on next lab leader, covering a load of possibles, but not Thornberry. Should I be reviewing my book?0 -
It's a little long for betting, really, but would you be up for a wager on that 15 year timeframe?rcs1000 said:
Oh, I see this happening in the next 15 years.Animal_pb said:As Keynes said, in the long run, we are all dead. I'm sure you're right, but I doubt anyone reading this thread will be alive to see it.
Read "When Money Dies"; it's amazing how quickly a government can destroy savings, and confidence in the institution of money itself.
My point, of course, is that governments having control of their money is really a very modern construct - existing briefly in the pre-War period, and then post Bretton-Woods.0 -
Miss Plato, that's a horrendous tweet. We don't have Counts, for pity's sake.
We have Earls.0 -
One of Corbyn's many problems is that he has no moral right to impose any whip on his MPs after three decades of voting as he saw fit.Dadge said:Corbyn has done this simply because he's anti-EU and he has the right as party leader to impose a 3LW to enforce his opinions on the PLP. In that respect it's just one of many such clashes of opinion since he became leader. I think the jury's still out on whether the PLP will cope for another 3 years with this state of affairs.
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We'll need to make the stakes something other than fiat money, otherwise I collect pretty much nothing on victory.Animal_pb said:
It's a little long for betting, really, but would you be up for a wager on that 15 year timeframe?rcs1000 said:
Oh, I see this happening in the next 15 years.Animal_pb said:As Keynes said, in the long run, we are all dead. I'm sure you're right, but I doubt anyone reading this thread will be alive to see it.
Read "When Money Dies"; it's amazing how quickly a government can destroy savings, and confidence in the institution of money itself.
My point, of course, is that governments having control of their money is really a very modern construct - existing briefly in the pre-War period, and then post Bretton-Woods.0 -
Aye, that's a key point.SouthamObserver said:... A better leader would not have let it get to this stage - in fact, a better leader probably would have helped ensure a Remain win.
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Why do we have countesses though?Morris_Dancer said:Miss Plato, that's a horrendous tweet. We don't have Counts, for pity's sake.
We have Earls.0 -
And in both constituencies thousands more have signed the No state visit petition.AndyJS said:Hendon and Finchley currently have the highest number of signatures on the pro-Trump e-petition:
http://petitionmap.unboxedconsulting.com/?petition=178844
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Baked beans? Gold? Ammunition?rcs1000 said:
We'll need to make the stakes something other than fiat money, otherwise I collect pretty much nothing on victory.Animal_pb said:
It's a little long for betting, really, but would you be up for a wager on that 15 year timeframe?rcs1000 said:
Oh, I see this happening in the next 15 years.Animal_pb said:As Keynes said, in the long run, we are all dead. I'm sure you're right, but I doubt anyone reading this thread will be alive to see it.
Read "When Money Dies"; it's amazing how quickly a government can destroy savings, and confidence in the institution of money itself.
My point, of course, is that governments having control of their money is really a very modern construct - existing briefly in the pre-War period, and then post Bretton-Woods.0 -
Lolz
Kristen Andersen
I wonder how many Americans view this all as a sort of "organ rejection" with the body of Washington just refusing to accept the transplant.0 -
Indeed. See Argentina. Once the sixth richest country by GDP per head in the world (perhaps relatedly, its cricket team declined in parallel).rcs1000 said:
Oh, I see this happening in the next 15 years.Animal_pb said:As Keynes said, in the long run, we are all dead. I'm sure you're right, but I doubt anyone reading this thread will be alive to see it.
Read "When Money Dies"; it's amazing how quickly a government can destroy savings, and confidence in the institution of money itself.0 -
Where is the evidence that this puts him more in touch with Labour's lost voters. From memory Labour voters were over 70% in favour of Remain. He's just done two imbecilic things at once. He's sold out over 70% of his supporters and he's confirmed what many already suspected; That he was never a Remainer in the first place.david_herdson said:On topic, Labour were stuffed whatever they did. As a rule, respecting the views of the people while opposing all the detail is the right call. It is ironic that if Corbyn does fall over this, and he might, he'd have been toppled on just about the one issue where he's more in touch with the public and with Labour's lost voters than the PLP is.
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Gold? In troy ounces (or fraction thereof, as the case may be)?rcs1000 said:
We'll need to make the stakes something other than fiat money, otherwise I collect pretty much nothing on victory.Animal_pb said:
It's a little long for betting, really, but would you be up for a wager on that 15 year timeframe?rcs1000 said:
Oh, I see this happening in the next 15 years.Animal_pb said:As Keynes said, in the long run, we are all dead. I'm sure you're right, but I doubt anyone reading this thread will be alive to see it.
Read "When Money Dies"; it's amazing how quickly a government can destroy savings, and confidence in the institution of money itself.
My point, of course, is that governments having control of their money is really a very modern construct - existing briefly in the pre-War period, and then post Bretton-Woods.0 -
Interestingly, gold was utterly rubbish when Yugoslavia collapsed. The best thing to have had was a cellar full of cheap but drinkable red wine. That was easy to swap for food and medical supplies.Carolus_Rex said:
Baked beans? Gold? Ammunition?rcs1000 said:
We'll need to make the stakes something other than fiat money, otherwise I collect pretty much nothing on victory.Animal_pb said:
It's a little long for betting, really, but would you be up for a wager on that 15 year timeframe?rcs1000 said:
Oh, I see this happening in the next 15 years.Animal_pb said:As Keynes said, in the long run, we are all dead. I'm sure you're right, but I doubt anyone reading this thread will be alive to see it.
Read "When Money Dies"; it's amazing how quickly a government can destroy savings, and confidence in the institution of money itself.
My point, of course, is that governments having control of their money is really a very modern construct - existing briefly in the pre-War period, and then post Bretton-Woods.0 -
And the same old "more Europe" answer. You do have to wonder if there is anything that would ever persuade them that they might be wrong.rcs1000 said:
Not exactly stirring, is it?williamglenn said:@Pulpstar - This is Tusk's open letter - http://www.consilium.europa.eu/press-releases-pdf/2017/1/47244654122_en.pdf
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Mr. Dawning, I'm not sure, but I'd guess there's no female equivalent of Earl (or Jarl, the Scandinavian inspiration) but there is for a Count. So it became Earl and Countess.0
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Ken:
"I am merely propounding the official policy of the Conservative party for 50 years until 23 June 2016."
Brilliant and true. What a state we have got ourselves into.0 -
They may be referring to Sesame Street?PlatoSaid said:Dan
I just had to RT this...made me properly laugh out loud. I'm just researching to find out who my local Count is https://t.co/xLOzTeaFSy
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Justin
.@aljwhite people in the U.K. Need to write their local Count or whatever the fuck they have that's like a senator/congressman.
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Do we have a list of the amendments that will be voted on?
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That's always puzzled me too. Because "Earless" sounds silly?Stark_Dawning said:
Why do we have countesses though?Morris_Dancer said:Miss Plato, that's a horrendous tweet. We don't have Counts, for pity's sake.
We have Earls.
And another thing: is there such a thing as a female baronet?0 -
Donald Tusk said today that Trump's US is an external threat to the EU along with Russia, China , and Radical IslamSouthamObserver said:
Am I looking at the wrong letter here? Where is the declaration of war? All I see is a statement of fact: the new US administration's approach to foreign policy breaks the post-war US consensus. What am I missing?Big_G_NorthWales said:
Tusk declaring war on the US is hardly going to help remainerswilliamglenn said:@Pulpstar - This is Tusk's open letter - http://www.consilium.europa.eu/press-releases-pdf/2017/1/47244654122_en.pdf
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Terms of the bet?Animal_pb said:
Gold? In troy ounces (or fraction thereof, as the case may be)?rcs1000 said:
We'll need to make the stakes something other than fiat money, otherwise I collect pretty much nothing on victory.Animal_pb said:
It's a little long for betting, really, but would you be up for a wager on that 15 year timeframe?rcs1000 said:
Oh, I see this happening in the next 15 years.Animal_pb said:As Keynes said, in the long run, we are all dead. I'm sure you're right, but I doubt anyone reading this thread will be alive to see it.
Read "When Money Dies"; it's amazing how quickly a government can destroy savings, and confidence in the institution of money itself.
My point, of course, is that governments having control of their money is really a very modern construct - existing briefly in the pre-War period, and then post Bretton-Woods.
Inflation to exceed 100% in one calendar year in the next 15 in one of: GBP, USD, and JPY, and or to have average more than 50% over a three year period. What I think could be reasonably described as hyper-inflation.0 -
I cellar full of guns came in handy as well.rcs1000 said:
Interestingly, gold was utterly rubbish when Yugoslavia collapsed. The best thing to have had was a cellar full of cheap but drinkable red wine. That was easy to swap for food and medical supplies.Carolus_Rex said:
Baked beans? Gold? Ammunition?rcs1000 said:
We'll need to make the stakes something other than fiat money, otherwise I collect pretty much nothing on victory.Animal_pb said:
It's a little long for betting, really, but would you be up for a wager on that 15 year timeframe?rcs1000 said:
Oh, I see this happening in the next 15 years.Animal_pb said:As Keynes said, in the long run, we are all dead. I'm sure you're right, but I doubt anyone reading this thread will be alive to see it.
Read "When Money Dies"; it's amazing how quickly a government can destroy savings, and confidence in the institution of money itself.
My point, of course, is that governments having control of their money is really a very modern construct - existing briefly in the pre-War period, and then post Bretton-Woods.0 -
OFF TOPIC
"The Fixed Odds Betting Terminals All Party Parliamentary Group's report found that there is now a 'prima facie' case for significantly reducing the maximum stake that can be wagered on a fixed odds betting machine, putting forward a case for the maximum stake to be reduced to GBP2. The maximum stake currently stands at GBP100."
If these proposals were to come into force, I foresee at least half the country's betting shops closing down in double quick time.
These infernal thieving terminals are the only thing which is keeping thousands of them open.
As far as I'm concerned this can't happen quickly enough - small wonder that the bookies, seeing this coming have been panicked into shotgun mergers with Ladbrokes joining up with Corals and Paddy Power with Betfair. Has Wm Hill been left out in the cold I wonder?0 -
"the change in Washington puts the European Union in a difficult situation; with the new administration seeming to put into question the last 70 years of American foreign policy."Big_G_NorthWales said:
Donald Tusk said today that Trump's US is an external threat to the EU along with Russia, China , and Radical IslamSouthamObserver said:
Am I looking at the wrong letter here? Where is the declaration of war? All I see is a statement of fact: the new US administration's approach to foreign policy breaks the post-war US consensus. What am I missing?Big_G_NorthWales said:
Tusk declaring war on the US is hardly going to help remainerswilliamglenn said:@Pulpstar - This is Tusk's open letter - http://www.consilium.europa.eu/press-releases-pdf/2017/1/47244654122_en.pdf
Is that really a declaration of war? Or comparing it to Russia or Radical Islam?0 -
Emily Thornberry as next Labour leader won't see me win £2,200 or so, Diane Abbott will.Hertsmere_Pubgoer said:
I think Emily Thornberry would be the left's choice this time.TheScreamingEagles said:
Time to replace him with the Cambridge educated Diane Abbott.Roger said:
Why would someone lose their most valuable USP? This won't gain him a single vote but it'll lose him hundreds of thousands. I really think the problem is that he's not very brightPhilip_Thompson said:Seems like we should give more credit to the Agent Corbyn hypothesis.
Diane, bless her, had her chance in 2010.
I'm not sure that the coalition in Hertsmere CLP of me and 10 other members are enough to get her over the line this time.
If the Labour party has any sense, the next Labour leadership contest should consist of solely Diane Abbott, Ed Balls, Ed Miliband, and Richard Burgon.
The fact I've backed all four of those at 100/1 or plus is purely coincidential0 -
The petition maps suggest to me that we're currently living in an Estuary-ocracy (better coinages welcome), which is a pretty remarkable victory for Farage, especially as his party is apparently powerless.0
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That's 50% per annum, yes?rcs1000 said:
Terms of the bet?Animal_pb said:
Gold? In troy ounces (or fraction thereof, as the case may be)?rcs1000 said:
We'll need to make the stakes something other than fiat money, otherwise I collect pretty much nothing on victory.Animal_pb said:
It's a little long for betting, really, but would you be up for a wager on that 15 year timeframe?rcs1000 said:
Oh, I see this happening in the next 15 years.Animal_pb said:As Keynes said, in the long run, we are all dead. I'm sure you're right, but I doubt anyone reading this thread will be alive to see it.
Read "When Money Dies"; it's amazing how quickly a government can destroy savings, and confidence in the institution of money itself.
My point, of course, is that governments having control of their money is really a very modern construct - existing briefly in the pre-War period, and then post Bretton-Woods.
Inflation to exceed 100% in one calendar year in the next 15 in one of: GBP, USD, and JPY, and or to have average more than 50% over a three year period. What I think could be reasonably described as hyper-inflation.0 -
Diane Abbott got her history BA at Cambridge (she didn't fail or drop out), and she's crap at the subject. Those who want to promote Cambridge University would be best advised not to use her as their poster girl.TheScreamingEagles said:
Time to replace him with the Cambridge educated Diane Abbott.Roger said:
Why would someone lose their most valuable USP? This won't gain him a single vote but it'll lose him hundreds of thousands. I really think the problem is that he's not very brightPhilip_Thompson said:Seems like we should give more credit to the Agent Corbyn hypothesis.
"From the days when the Norman French invaded Anglo-Saxon Britain, we have been a culturally diverse nation. But because the different nationalities shared a common skin colour, it was possible to ignore the racial diversity which always existed in the British Isles. And even if you take race to mean what it is often commonly meant to imply - skin colour- there have been black people in Britain for centuries. The earliest blacks in Britain were probably black Roman centurions that came over hundreds of years before Christ."0 -
Yes.Animal_pb said:
That's 50% per annum, yes?rcs1000 said:
Terms of the bet?Animal_pb said:
Gold? In troy ounces (or fraction thereof, as the case may be)?rcs1000 said:
We'll need to make the stakes something other than fiat money, otherwise I collect pretty much nothing on victory.Animal_pb said:
It's a little long for betting, really, but would you be up for a wager on that 15 year timeframe?rcs1000 said:
Oh, I see this happening in the next 15 years.Animal_pb said:As Keynes said, in the long run, we are all dead. I'm sure you're right, but I doubt anyone reading this thread will be alive to see it.
Read "When Money Dies"; it's amazing how quickly a government can destroy savings, and confidence in the institution of money itself.
My point, of course, is that governments having control of their money is really a very modern construct - existing briefly in the pre-War period, and then post Bretton-Woods.
Inflation to exceed 100% in one calendar year in the next 15 in one of: GBP, USD, and JPY, and or to have average more than 50% over a three year period. What I think could be reasonably described as hyper-inflation.
BTC or gold?0 -
Mr. Dromedary, was she a classmate (coursemate?) of Mr. Eagles?0
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Siting the US as an external threat to the EU the same as Russia, China, and the Islasmic State is inciting conflictrcs1000 said:
"the change in Washington puts the European Union in a difficult situation; with the new administration seeming to put into question the last 70 years of American foreign policy."Big_G_NorthWales said:
Donald Tusk said today that Trump's US is an external threat to the EU along with Russia, China , and Radical IslamSouthamObserver said:
Am I looking at the wrong letter here? Where is the declaration of war? All I see is a statement of fact: the new US administration's approach to foreign policy breaks the post-war US consensus. What am I missing?Big_G_NorthWales said:
Tusk declaring war on the US is hardly going to help remainerswilliamglenn said:@Pulpstar - This is Tusk's open letter - http://www.consilium.europa.eu/press-releases-pdf/2017/1/47244654122_en.pdf
Is that really a declaration of war? Or comparing it to Russia or Radical Islam?0 -
I will vote for Angela Rayner if she is on the ballot.rottenborough said:
That's two people today who have mentioned Thornberry as next leader, or at least the left's candidate.Hertsmere_Pubgoer said:
I think Emily Thornberry would be the left's choice this time.TheScreamingEagles said:
Time to replace him with the Cambridge educated Diane Abbott.Roger said:
Why would someone lose their most valuable USP? This won't gain him a single vote but it'll lose him hundreds of thousands. I really think the problem is that he's not very brightPhilip_Thompson said:Seems like we should give more credit to the Agent Corbyn hypothesis.
Diane, bless her, had her chance in 2010.
I'm not sure that the coalition in Hertsmere CLP of me and 10 other members are enough to get her over the line this time.
I'm getting worried as I have a pile of bets on next lab leader, covering a load of possibles, but not Thornberry. Should I be reviewing my book?0 -
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If you're called Earl Duke - you'd be cast in a remake of Dallas.Morris_Dancer said:Miss Plato, that's a horrendous tweet. We don't have Counts, for pity's sake.
We have Earls.0 -
I'm not that old.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Dromedary, was she a classmate (coursemate?) of Mr. Eagles?
I'm not even 40. I was 8 when Diane Abbott became an MP0 -
I'm fairly sure that PB has seen at least one bet for the sum of a gold sovereign.Carolus_Rex said:
Baked beans? Gold? Ammunition?rcs1000 said:
We'll need to make the stakes something other than fiat money, otherwise I collect pretty much nothing on victory.Animal_pb said:
It's a little long for betting, really, but would you be up for a wager on that 15 year timeframe?rcs1000 said:
Oh, I see this happening in the next 15 years.Animal_pb said:As Keynes said, in the long run, we are all dead. I'm sure you're right, but I doubt anyone reading this thread will be alive to see it.
Read "When Money Dies"; it's amazing how quickly a government can destroy savings, and confidence in the institution of money itself.
My point, of course, is that governments having control of their money is really a very modern construct - existing briefly in the pre-War period, and then post Bretton-Woods.0 -
Mind you it is nice of Tusk to spell out where the EU is headed. The idea that the UK could conformably remain in the EU looks increasingly absurd if it is going to see much more integration and federalise.SeanT said:
No. As I tried, so patiently, to explain to dear old ScottP, his Europeanism is a belief system. It is not susceptible to argumentation and logical dispute. The answer will always be More Europe just as the answer for Islamic fundamentalists is ever greater adherence to the strictest interpretation of the hadiths.glw said:
And the same old "more Europe" answer. You do have to wonder if there is anything that would ever persuade them that they might be wrong.rcs1000 said:
Not exactly stirring, is it?williamglenn said:@Pulpstar - This is Tusk's open letter - http://www.consilium.europa.eu/press-releases-pdf/2017/1/47244654122_en.pdf
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At least half.peter_from_putney said:OFF TOPIC
"The Fixed Odds Betting Terminals All Party Parliamentary Group's report found that there is now a 'prima facie' case for significantly reducing the maximum stake that can be wagered on a fixed odds betting machine, putting forward a case for the maximum stake to be reduced to GBP2. The maximum stake currently stands at GBP100."
If these proposals were to come into force, I foresee at least half the country's betting shops closing down in double quick time.
These infernal thieving terminals are the only thing which is keeping thousands of them open.
As far as I'm concerned this can't happen quickly enough - small wonder that the bookies, seeing this coming have been panicked into shotgun mergers with Ladbrokes joining up with Corals and Paddy Power with Betfair. Has Wm Hill been left out in the cold I wonder?
From what I can tell the majority of the bricks and mortar bookies are only viable thanks to the FOBT's.0 -
I shall provide it in a future post, once I've had time to crunch the numbers (so I am, I'll admit, working off an impression of the stats, buttressed by anecdote at the moment).Roger said:
Where is the evidence that this puts him more in touch with Labour's lost voters. From memory Labour voters were over 70% in favour of Remain. He's just done two imbecilic things at once. He's sold out over 70% of his supporters and he's confirmed what many already suspected; That he was never a Remainer in the first place.david_herdson said:On topic, Labour were stuffed whatever they did. As a rule, respecting the views of the people while opposing all the detail is the right call. It is ironic that if Corbyn does fall over this, and he might, he'd have been toppled on just about the one issue where he's more in touch with the public and with Labour's lost voters than the PLP is.
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Mr. Eagles, one apologises unreservedly.
Mr. Herdson, but doesn't the value vary according to the year?
Edited extra bit: the year of the coin being struck, I mean.0 -
I'm sorry, but you are reading too much into that. That sentence - which is basically the only time he mentions the US in the whole banal, boring letter - is no more than a statement of the obvious.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Siting the US as an external threat to the EU the same as Russia, China, and the Islasmic State is inciting conflictrcs1000 said:
"the change in Washington puts the European Union in a difficult situation; with the new administration seeming to put into question the last 70 years of American foreign policy."Big_G_NorthWales said:
Donald Tusk said today that Trump's US is an external threat to the EU along with Russia, China , and Radical IslamSouthamObserver said:
Am I looking at the wrong letter here? Where is the declaration of war? All I see is a statement of fact: the new US administration's approach to foreign policy breaks the post-war US consensus. What am I missing?Big_G_NorthWales said:
Tusk declaring war on the US is hardly going to help remainerswilliamglenn said:@Pulpstar - This is Tusk's open letter - http://www.consilium.europa.eu/press-releases-pdf/2017/1/47244654122_en.pdf
Is that really a declaration of war? Or comparing it to Russia or Radical Islam?
The US was once massively in favour of multinational organisations like NATO and the WTO, and that is no longer the case. I don't think that is disputable.0 -
A vote to remain would never (as sold during the campaign) been a vote for the status quo.glw said:
Mind you it is nice of Tusk to spell out where the EU is headed. The idea that the UK could conformably remain in the EU looks increasingly absurd if it is going to see much more integration and federalise.SeanT said:
No. As I tried, so patiently, to explain to dear old ScottP, his Europeanism is a belief system. It is not susceptible to argumentation and logical dispute. The answer will always be More Europe just as the answer for Islamic fundamentalists is ever greater adherence to the strictest interpretation of the hadiths.glw said:
And the same old "more Europe" answer. You do have to wonder if there is anything that would ever persuade them that they might be wrong.rcs1000 said:
Not exactly stirring, is it?williamglenn said:@Pulpstar - This is Tusk's open letter - http://www.consilium.europa.eu/press-releases-pdf/2017/1/47244654122_en.pdf
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I'm old-fashioned. Call it the ask price of one troy ounce of gold, in whatever reasonable currency the winner specifies when the bet crystallises. If any of the conditions are met before 15 years has elapsed, you win; if not, you pay me on the 15th anniversary of this bet.rcs1000 said:
Yes.Animal_pb said:
That's 50% per annum, yes?rcs1000 said:
Terms of the bet?Animal_pb said:
Gold? In troy ounces (or fraction thereof, as the case may be)?rcs1000 said:
We'll need to make the stakes something other than fiat money, otherwise I collect pretty much nothing on victory.Animal_pb said:
It's a little long for betting, really, but would you be up for a wager on that 15 year timeframe?rcs1000 said:
Oh, I see this happening in the next 15 years.Animal_pb said:As Keynes said, in the long run, we are all dead. I'm sure you're right, but I doubt anyone reading this thread will be alive to see it.
Read "When Money Dies"; it's amazing how quickly a government can destroy savings, and confidence in the institution of money itself.
My point, of course, is that governments having control of their money is really a very modern construct - existing briefly in the pre-War period, and then post Bretton-Woods.
Inflation to exceed 100% in one calendar year in the next 15 in one of: GBP, USD, and JPY, and or to have average more than 50% over a three year period. What I think could be reasonably described as hyper-inflation.
BTC or gold?
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The US is 100% behind them or Theresa May's a Dutchwoman.rcs1000 said:The US was once massively in favour of multinational organisations like NATO and the WTO, and that is no longer the case. I don't think that is disputable.
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It wasnt the letter it was in a release from him today and has been reported on Skyrcs1000 said:
I'm sorry, but you are reading too much into that. That sentence - which is basically the only time he mentions the US in the whole banal, boring letter - is no more than a statement of the obvious.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Siting the US as an external threat to the EU the same as Russia, China, and the Islasmic State is inciting conflictrcs1000 said:
"the change in Washington puts the European Union in a difficult situation; with the new administration seeming to put into question the last 70 years of American foreign policy."Big_G_NorthWales said:
Donald Tusk said today that Trump's US is an external threat to the EU along with Russia, China , and Radical IslamSouthamObserver said:
Am I looking at the wrong letter here? Where is the declaration of war? All I see is a statement of fact: the new US administration's approach to foreign policy breaks the post-war US consensus. What am I missing?Big_G_NorthWales said:
Tusk declaring war on the US is hardly going to help remainerswilliamglenn said:@Pulpstar - This is Tusk's open letter - http://www.consilium.europa.eu/press-releases-pdf/2017/1/47244654122_en.pdf
Is that really a declaration of war? Or comparing it to Russia or Radical Islam?
The US was once massively in favour of multinational organisations like NATO and the WTO, and that is no longer the case. I don't think that is disputable.0 -
Oh go on thenAnimal_pb said:
I'm old-fashioned. Call it the ask price of one troy ounce of gold, in whatever reasonable currency the winner specifies when the bet crystallises. If any of the conditions are met before 15 years has elapsed, you win; if not, you pay me on the 15th anniversary of this bet.rcs1000 said:
Yes.Animal_pb said:
That's 50% per annum, yes?rcs1000 said:
Terms of the bet?Animal_pb said:
Gold? In troy ounces (or fraction thereof, as the case may be)?rcs1000 said:
We'll need to make the stakes something other than fiat money, otherwise I collect pretty much nothing on victory.Animal_pb said:
It's a little long for betting, really, but would you be up for a wager on that 15 year timeframe?rcs1000 said:
Oh, I see this happening in the next 15 years.Animal_pb said:As Keynes said, in the long run, we are all dead. I'm sure you're right, but I doubt anyone reading this thread will be alive to see it.
Read "When Money Dies"; it's amazing how quickly a government can destroy savings, and confidence in the institution of money itself.
My point, of course, is that governments having control of their money is really a very modern construct - existing briefly in the pre-War period, and then post Bretton-Woods.
Inflation to exceed 100% in one calendar year in the next 15 in one of: GBP, USD, and JPY, and or to have average more than 50% over a three year period. What I think could be reasonably described as hyper-inflation.
BTC or gold?
I'll drop you an email.0 -
Or at least a couple of teenagers in their mum's basement with a PC and a copy of "Python Cookbook" have.SouthamObserver said:
And in both constituencies thousands more have signed the No state visit petition.AndyJS said:Hendon and Finchley currently have the highest number of signatures on the pro-Trump e-petition:
http://petitionmap.unboxedconsulting.com/?petition=178844
FPT:AlsoIndigo said:
Its probably worse than you think, on the EU second referendum petition there was evidence shown that several tens of thousands of entries (at the least) were entered as part of a wheeze by some bunch of muppets from 4chan. As a measure of the support of one side of the other its almost worthless, a few IT literate people on either side will completely throw the result.Jason said:
If we must indulge these moronic petitions, is there a way in which we can at least find out how many individual signatures there have been, as opposed to a few thousand nutters using multiple email addresses? All it would take is 10,000 with 10 email addresses, and hey presto, our elected representatives have to use their precious time 'debating' the subject. These petitions are the continued infantilisation of discourse in this country, and indeed right across the democratic West.Scott_P said:
On websites the government actually cares about, authentication is much stronger, mostly requiring you to enter an identifying number (such as NI No, Driving License No, Passport No etc) that the government knows, but which is generally speaking not public knowledge, and can be tied to one individual and mostly, one address.
The petition website is conspicuously there to give people the impression that they were being listened to without any real risk of having to change policy as a result, almost the opposite of a referendum
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Read the letter - he states a self-evident truth.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Donald Tusk said today that Trump's US is an external threat to the EU along with Russia, China , and Radical IslamSouthamObserver said:
Am I looking at the wrong letter here? Where is the declaration of war? All I see is a statement of fact: the new US administration's approach to foreign policy breaks the post-war US consensus. What am I missing?Big_G_NorthWales said:
Tusk declaring war on the US is hardly going to help remainerswilliamglenn said:@Pulpstar - This is Tusk's open letter - http://www.consilium.europa.eu/press-releases-pdf/2017/1/47244654122_en.pdf
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