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And the winner for most 'right-on' constituency is Hornsey & Wood Green.
Hornsey 1,021
Hackney N 995
Islington N 940
Hackney S 900
With Islington S at 675 and Tottenham at 564 the winner of most 'right-on' borough is Hackney.
Meanwhile Doncaster North is at only 86 - EdM was never quite right there was he.
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Why did so many Scots leave for America, like Trump's mother ? Why dod they not stay back and "improve" their country.malcolmg said:
He may well be doing them a favour , they may hate it and be far better off staying where they are. One wonders why so many people clamour to get to the west rather than improve their own countries.surbiton said:
Did the Amish change their way of life when they emigrated to the US ? Did the Hasidic Jews ?SeanT said:
This is inevitable. Large numbers of Muslims want to come and live in the west. To enjoy our prosperity and freedom. At the same time these incoming Muslims refuse to give up values hostile to those freedoms. Indeed there is plentiful evidence the Muslims become more hostile to us, the longer they stay, and expect the locals to bend to Muslim values.Scott_P said:
https://twitter.com/johnrentoul/status/825675722593333248SouthamObserver said:What frightens me - and I am happy to admit it - is that we will indeed start to see where you are born determining where you are allowed to go and what you are allowed to do.
This is the point at which westerners en masse say, no fuck off, if you don't adopt our values, fuck off home, and we don't want any more of you here. As the Dutch prime minister said the other day (in a slightly more polite way, but only slightly)
So, yeah, Muslims are deemed less desirable as citizens, in the west. It is in the nature of being Islamic. Which part of this does Helen Lewis, or Southam, not understand?
In any case, the vast majority of Muslims are just like anybody. They go to work , pay their taxes etc.
There are people you see on the TV everyday like Mishal Husain etc. On the other hand, someone like Jim Al-Khalili, the astro-physicist cannot go to the US because he was born in Baghdad.
Do these people strike you as odd ? They are, if anything, enhancing our values.
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How have the Lib Dem seats voted ? Indeed Copeland and Stoke.another_richard said:And the winner for most 'right-on' constituency is Hornsey & Wood Green.
Hornsey 1,021
Hackney N 995
Islington N 940
Hackney S 900
With Islington S at 675 and Tottenham at 564 the winner of most 'right-on' borough is Hackney.
Meanwhile Doncaster North is at only 86 - EdM was never quite right there was he.
82 in Stoke and 66 in Copeland.0 -
Winner of US presidential election implements his manifesto.
The World recoils in horror.
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Horse feathers. Bush visited when he was deeply unpopular so they adapted the visit accordingly - no carriage ride down the Mall, for example.Scott_P said:@PaulBrandITV: Hard to see how Trump visit will be anything other than disaster now. Even if PM ignores outrage, thin-skinned President will hate protests.
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Nixon was thin skinned and hated the vast protests against him but was re elected in 1972 easilySeanT said:
Maybe. But by then Trump will be six months into the job, and he will either be used to protests wherever he goes (which he will get) or he will have stopped going anywhere, as a result. So, maybe not.Scott_P said:@PaulBrandITV: Hard to see how Trump visit will be anything other than disaster now. Even if PM ignores outrage, thin-skinned President will hate protests.
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Can you see any way this ends other than Trump thinking, "Screw the Brits?"CarlottaVance said:
Horse feathers. Bush visited when he was deeply unpopular so they adapted the visit accordingly - no carriage ride down the Mall, for example.Scott_P said:@PaulBrandITV: Hard to see how Trump visit will be anything other than disaster now. Even if PM ignores outrage, thin-skinned President will hate protests.
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Trump specifically requested a carriage ride down the Mall did he not?CarlottaVance said:Horse feathers. Bush visited when he was deeply unpopular so they adapted the visit accordingly - no carriage ride down the Mall, for example.
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Just buy organic chickenfoxinsoxuk said:
yes, no problem with that.johnzims said:@foxinsoxuk
'Agricultural goods of defined origin ditto, though quotas would be needed in line with CAP, and documentation to exclude secondary imports of chlorine chicken, hormone beef etc.'
But chlorine water OK ?
The reason chlorine wash is used in american poultry slaughterhouses is because of the high rates of fecal contamination in these. The chlorine wash is to reduce the surface contamination in order to meet bacterial guidlines. It is ineffective for deepe contamination, but that is not tested by surface swabs. It is not chlorine per se that is the problem, but rather the underlying reason that it is needed. Slower production lines with better basic hygiene, as currently required in the UK and EU, is strongly preferable, but more expensive. It is why chlorine chicken is cheap.
Chlorinated water is completely different.0 -
You're not going to like this.....but we agree again!malcolmg said:
She has suffered far worse than Trump , it will be a breeze for her.Pulpstar said:I'm torn on this petition
On the one hand I think prejudicing our relationship with the world's foremost economic power is extremely counterproductive.
On the other I'm feeling bad for the Queen.
Anyone who can put up the atrocious Caecescu and his ghastly wife (Labour government) will take Trump easily in her stride...0 -
Incidentally those numbers also coincide with the most europhilic consituencies in the EU referendum.another_richard said:And the winner for most 'right-on' constituency is Hornsey & Wood Green.
Hornsey 1,021
Hackney N 995
Islington N 940
Hackney S 900
With Islington S at 675 and Tottenham at 564 the winner of most 'right-on' borough is Hackney.
Meanwhile Doncaster North is at only 86 - EdM was never quite right there was he.
There is an extraneous "there" in your final sentence.
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She's had plenty of experience of unsavoury characters:Pulpstar said:
Good point, just worried Trump might try to do something inappropriate. Grabbing May's hand looked odd to me, if he was to do that to the Queen though :ibrokenwheel said:
Why are you feeling bad for the Queen? She's married to Phillip for gods sake.Pulpstar said:I'm torn on this petition
On the one hand I think prejudicing our relationship with the world's foremost economic power is extremely counterproductive.
On the other I'm feeling bad for the Queen.
http://listverse.com/2014/08/07/10-deeply-embarrassing-pieces-of-political-memorabilia/
Weren't the Ceausescus not fully toilet trained or somesuch ?
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The PB posse who were saying not to take Trump literally and that he would probably end up being quite reasonable are presumably part of the world's recoil.David_Evershed said:Winner of US presidential election implements his manifesto.
The World recoils in horror.
Discuss.
Though I do realise that their powers of amnesia are a wonder of medical science.0 -
When he receives a hero's welcome from the public, the anti-democratic fuddy duddies will stroke out.Scott_P said:@PaulBrandITV: Hard to see how Trump visit will be anything other than disaster now. Even if PM ignores outrage, thin-skinned President will hate protests.
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I wonder how often Trump will see this poster?
https://twitter.com/dawnbutlerbrent/status/8256706518601031700 -
The Germans, the Mexicans, the Canadians, the French, the Chinese have already said screw Trump. Trump cannot just rely on Putin and Netanyahu alone, he needs another G20 and Security Council leader leader who is not completely hostile and that is May and of course given the large number of protests in D.C., New York and LA against him I doubt he expects much different in Londonwilliamglenn said:
Can you see anyway this ends other than Trump thinking, "Screw the Brits?"CarlottaVance said:
Horse feathers. Bush visited when he was deeply unpopular so they adapted the visit accordingly - no carriage ride down the Mall, for example.Scott_P said:@PaulBrandITV: Hard to see how Trump visit will be anything other than disaster now. Even if PM ignores outrage, thin-skinned President will hate protests.
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two wrongs do not make a rightsurbiton said:
Why did so many Scots leave for America, like Trump's mother ? Why dod they not stay back and "improve" their country.malcolmg said:
He may well be doing them a favour , they may hate it and be far better off staying where they are. One wonders why so many people clamour to get to the west rather than improve their own countries.surbiton said:
Did the Amish change their way of life when they emigrated to the US ? Did the Hasidic Jews ?SeanT said:
This is inevitable. Large numbers of Muslims want to come and live in the west. To enjoy our prosperity and freedom. At the same time these incoming Muslims refuse to give up values hostile to those freedoms. Indeed there is plentiful evidence the Muslims become more hostile to us, the longer they stay, and expect the locals to bend to Muslim values.Scott_P said:
https://twitter.com/johnrentoul/status/825675722593333248SouthamObserver said:What frightens me - and I am happy to admit it - is that we will indeed start to see where you are born determining where you are allowed to go and what you are allowed to do.
This is the point at which westerners en masse say, no fuck off, if you don't adopt our values, fuck off home, and we don't want any more of you here. As the Dutch prime minister said the other day (in a slightly more polite way, but only slightly)
So, yeah, Muslims are deemed less desirable as citizens, in the west. It is in the nature of being Islamic. Which part of this does Helen Lewis, or Southam, not understand?
In any case, the vast majority of Muslims are just like anybody. They go to work , pay their taxes etc.
There are people you see on the TV everyday like Mishal Husain etc. On the other hand, someone like Jim Al-Khalili, the astro-physicist cannot go to the US because he was born in Baghdad.
Do these people strike you as odd ? They are, if anything, enhancing our values.
What is sauce for the goose, ........................0 -
It's no longer in our interests to share intelligence with a paranoid crackpot wannabe fascist. Time to cut the cable.williamglenn said:
I think the head of GCHQ bailed at the right time.0 -
Citation requiredScott_P said:
Trump specifically requested a carriage ride down the Mall did he not?CarlottaVance said:Horse feathers. Bush visited when he was deeply unpopular so they adapted the visit accordingly - no carriage ride down the Mall, for example.
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An editorial from the L.A.Times in December 2014 regarding dual nationality.
http://www.latimes.com/opinion/editorials/la-ed-dual-citizenship-20141228-story.html
Seems reasonably apt as an insight into US thinking given the fall-out around UK 'duallers'.
It seems renunciation of US citizenship has been increasing steadily over the last decade also.
<There were 235 renunciants in 2008,[25] between 731 and 743 in 2009, and about 1485 in 2010;[26][27] In 2011, there were 1781 renunciants.[28] A total of 2,999 Americans renounced their citizenship in 2013;[29] in 2014, 3415 have renounced their USA citizenship or long term residency.[30] The State Department estimates 5986 renunciants and 559 relinquishers during FY2015.[31]0 -
I'm not entirely convinced that Trump is conventionally toilet trained.another_richard said:
She's had plenty of experience of unsavoury characters:Pulpstar said:
Good point, just worried Trump might try to do something inappropriate. Grabbing May's hand looked odd to me, if he was to do that to the Queen though :ibrokenwheel said:
Why are you feeling bad for the Queen? She's married to Phillip for gods sake.Pulpstar said:I'm torn on this petition
On the one hand I think prejudicing our relationship with the world's foremost economic power is extremely counterproductive.
On the other I'm feeling bad for the Queen.
http://listverse.com/2014/08/07/10-deeply-embarrassing-pieces-of-political-memorabilia/
Weren't the Ceausescus not fully toilet trained or somesuch ?
'Hudson, get the rubber under sheets out.'0 -
Isn't that just what everyone's been doing ?David_Evershed said:Winner of US presidential election implements his manifesto.
The World recoils in horror.
Discuss.
And you might also consider, given how many assured us prior to his election that Trump's words didn't actually reflect what he really believed, 'implements his manifesto' is not as unworthy of notice as you imply.
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Perhaps an example of epistocracy in an old persian saying:John_M said:
One of my new words learned solely due to the extended cri de coeur from my intellectual betters is 'epistocracy'. I wonder if we'll ever see it implemented. Hopefully, not in my lifetime.felix said:
Surbiton won't be happy until we return to the days of voting qualifications which exclude the lumpen masses.John_M said:
Really? I thought the split for ABC1s was 56:44 - perhaps I'm mis-remembering. Or perhaps you're speaking of academia, in which case, point cheerfully conceded.surbiton said:
As it should be. The educated / intelligentsia voted Remain overwhelmingly. They will remind the rest for a long time to come.malcolmg said:
Brexit will be to blame for everything for years, it will be used and abused as cover for all sorts of shaftings.Charles said:
He's wrong. They were going anyway. Brexit is just a convenient excuseScott_P said:@SophyRidgeSky: The Polish Deputy Prime Minister tells me financial services jobs are already starting to move from the UK to Poland due to Brexit #ridge
He who knows not but knows that he knows not - teach him
He who knows not and knows not that he knows not - shun him
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Not sure I would agree with your second point. If men only had had the vote, Labour would have won every election from 1945 to 1992 (in theory, making the dangerous and frankly unwarranted assumption people would have voted the same way). Moreover the wealthier in society seem to have been more for remain.Sean_F said:The paradox is that in those days, people from his background feared that universal suffrage would produce left wing policies. Now, a lot of them worry that universal suffrage prevents left wing policies.
I'm pretty sure that a Referendum that had been held on a pre-1918 franchise, mostly excluding young men, non-ratepayers, and all women, would have produced a Leave majority.
It is however (in light of your first point) ironic to reflect that the wider the franchise gets, the better the Conservatives have done. Prior to 1867 they had not won an overall majority since 1841, and that was the first one they had managed since 1808. In the next 18 years, admittedly, the record was three-one (1868, 1880 and 1885 against 1874) to the Liberals. After that, however, only three times in the next 100 years did they concede a majority of more than ten to another single party (1906, 1945 and 1966). If we take that to the 75 years after 1918, the record falls to a jaw-dropping 2, and they only lost (as in, came second in) six/seven elections in total (add 1929, 1950, 1964 and October 1974 - February is a difficult one as Labour won the seat count but lost the popular vote - to that list) and they spent a mere 23 years out of 78 in opposition - by far the most successful democratic party in European, arguably world history. (The Republicans controlled the Presidency for all but sixteen years between 1860 and 1932, but for much of the time faced a Democratic congress.)
How far that is due to the franchise and how far due to other factors (the franchise was hardly responsible for the implosion of the Liberals over Ireland in 1885-86, or the preternatural uselessness of Labour in the 1950s and 1980s) I don't know and I haven't enough data to speculate. Anyone know of any good books out there that might help? I seem to remember one called 'Conservative Century' some years ago, but I haven't read it and I can't remember much about it.0 -
I see a habit formingCarlottaVance said:
You're not going to like this.....but we agree again!malcolmg said:
She has suffered far worse than Trump , it will be a breeze for her.Pulpstar said:I'm torn on this petition
On the one hand I think prejudicing our relationship with the world's foremost economic power is extremely counterproductive.
On the other I'm feeling bad for the Queen.
Anyone who can put up the atrocious Caecescu and his ghastly wife (Labour government) will take Trump easily in her stride...0 -
If Theresa May is to continue enabling Trump in his neo fascist agenda, I will.consider her less electable than Jezza0
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I think that's over-stating it, but it's pretty obvious his Reichstag fire is going to be Islamic terrorism. His opponents need to prosecute the case that he's *incompetent*. There's no point convincing people that he's an arsehole if they think he's their arsehole.MonikerDiCanio said:
When he receives a hero's welcome from the public, the anti-democratic fuddy duddies will stroke out.Scott_P said:@PaulBrandITV: Hard to see how Trump visit will be anything other than disaster now. Even if PM ignores outrage, thin-skinned President will hate protests.
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Ten years of meeting Blair once a week for starters.malcolmg said:
She has suffered far worse than Trump , it will be a breeze for her.Pulpstar said:I'm torn on this petition
On the one hand I think prejudicing our relationship with the world's foremost economic power is extremely counterproductive.
On the other I'm feeling bad for the Queen.0 -
They may be whining jsut now but they will buckle down when it looks like their trade is about to be choppedHYUFD said:
The Germans, the Mexicans, the Canadians, the French, the Chinese have already said screw Trump. Trump cannot just rely on Putin and Netanyahu alone, he needs another G20 and Security Council leader leader who is not completely hostile and that is May and of course given the large number of protests in D.C., New York and LA against him I doubt he expects much different in Londonwilliamglenn said:
Can you see anyway this ends other than Trump thinking, "Screw the Brits?"CarlottaVance said:
Horse feathers. Bush visited when he was deeply unpopular so they adapted the visit accordingly - no carriage ride down the Mall, for example.Scott_P said:@PaulBrandITV: Hard to see how Trump visit will be anything other than disaster now. Even if PM ignores outrage, thin-skinned President will hate protests.
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Just like Hitler.David_Evershed said:Winner of US presidential election implements his manifesto.
The World recoils in horror.
Discuss.0 -
What's Tokyo's policy on Islamic immigration ?edmundintokyo said:
I think that's over-stating it, but it's pretty obvious his Reichstag fire is going to be Islamic terrorism. His opponents need to prosecute the case that he's *incompetent*. There's no point convincing people that he's an arsehole if they think he's their arsehole.MonikerDiCanio said:
When he receives a hero's welcome from the public, the anti-democratic fuddy duddies will stroke out.Scott_P said:@PaulBrandITV: Hard to see how Trump visit will be anything other than disaster now. Even if PM ignores outrage, thin-skinned President will hate protests.
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I disagree.Theuniondivvie said:
I'm not entirely convinced that Trump is conventionally toilet trained.another_richard said:
She's had plenty of experience of unsavoury characters:Pulpstar said:
Good point, just worried Trump might try to do something inappropriate. Grabbing May's hand looked odd to me, if he was to do that to the Queen though :ibrokenwheel said:
Why are you feeling bad for the Queen? She's married to Phillip for gods sake.Pulpstar said:I'm torn on this petition
On the one hand I think prejudicing our relationship with the world's foremost economic power is extremely counterproductive.
On the other I'm feeling bad for the Queen.
http://listverse.com/2014/08/07/10-deeply-embarrassing-pieces-of-political-memorabilia/
Weren't the Ceausescus not fully toilet trained or somesuch ?
'Hudson, get the rubber under sheets out.'
He was conventionally toilet trained but has done some more advanced training subsequently with the help of some expert young ladies.
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Neville Chamberlain was PM for almost 3 years - longer than Gordon Brown and far longer than Anthony Eden .0 -
By age 20 she had been through the abdication crisis and 6 years of ww2. One bad hair American is unlikely to worry her.CarlottaVance said:
You're not going to like this.....but we agree again!malcolmg said:
She has suffered far worse than Trump , it will be a breeze for her.Pulpstar said:I'm torn on this petition
On the one hand I think prejudicing our relationship with the world's foremost economic power is extremely counterproductive.
On the other I'm feeling bad for the Queen.
Anyone who can put up the atrocious Caecescu and his ghastly wife (Labour government) will take Trump easily in her stride...0 -
I think you will find a lot of heads nodding and saying brave man, a bit over the top but someone needs to sort it out and at least he is first one to try. Only Liberal lefties will be crying into their quinoa.Freggles said:If Theresa May is to continue enabling Trump in his neo fascist agenda, I will.consider her less electable than Jezza
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Of course he is right, and yes they will.SeanT said:
Thing is, however mad, when it comes to Muslim immigration in Europe... he's completely right. Isn't he? And hundreds of millions of Europeans will quietly but discreetly agree.williamglenn said:
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To be fair to the former Romanain dictator, he never said - at least in public - that he could have had sex with the Queen's former daughter-in-law or that he wanted to see her current grand-daughter-in-law (?) naked.CarlottaVance said:
You're not going to like this.....but we agree again!malcolmg said:
She has suffered far worse than Trump , it will be a breeze for her.Pulpstar said:I'm torn on this petition
On the one hand I think prejudicing our relationship with the world's foremost economic power is extremely counterproductive.
On the other I'm feeling bad for the Queen.
Anyone who can put up the atrocious Caecescu and his ghastly wife (Labour government) will take Trump easily in her stride...
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England are about to start bowling.FrancisUrquhart said:Crickey it is spicy on here today, anything much going on in the world?
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When do you expect the electorate to follow your lead?Freggles said:If Theresa May is to continue enabling Trump in his neo fascist agenda, I will.consider her less electable than Jezza
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Watched "Denial" last night, and the Paxman interview referred to in the film this morning.
What a piece of work Irving is.0 -
Maybe notCarlottaVance said:Citation required
Unless you’re Donald Trump who, it’s becoming apparent, is 70 going on three. Britain hopes to tempt him here with a state visit, but that in itself is not enough for him. Trump reportedly wants a grander visit than any of his predecessors.0 -
Neat point, but she could take it further - 'without immigration, Trump would not exist.'Scott_P said:I wonder how often Trump will see this poster?
https://twitter.com/dawnbutlerbrent/status/825670651860103170
However, that might be a high risk strategy. I can see how that would suddenly turn every Democrat into a raging nativist!0 -
A hero's welcome? They've just got 100,000 signatures in half an hour saying the trip should be cancelled.MonikerDiCanio said:
When he receives a hero's welcome from the public, the anti-democratic fuddy duddies will stroke out.Scott_P said:@PaulBrandITV: Hard to see how Trump visit will be anything other than disaster now. Even if PM ignores outrage, thin-skinned President will hate protests.
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They will - over time...CarlottaVance said:
When do you expect the electorate to follow your lead?Freggles said:If Theresa May is to continue enabling Trump in his neo fascist agenda, I will.consider her less electable than Jezza
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Did he say in his manifesto that he would prevent people who have made the US their home, paid taxes there and never committed a crime there from re-entering the country should they leave? Did it state that British citizens would be banned from entry depending on where in the world they were born?David_Evershed said:Winner of US presidential election implements his manifesto.
The World recoils in horror.
Discuss.
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Ok. Sad that there has to be sanctions! I'd keep a careful eye on the "indirectly" part if I were you.PBModerator said:Isam/Jobabob
This conversation is now at an end.
In future neither of you are to interact with each other, directly or indirectly.
Let it be known though for the record, that I did not say the things he is accusing me of.
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AllegedlyScott_P said:
Maybe notCarlottaVance said:Citation required
Unless you’re Donald Trump who, it’s becoming apparent, is 70 going on three. Britain hopes to tempt him here with a state visit, but that in itself is not enough for him. Trump reportedly wants a grander visit than any of his predecessors.0 -
Its roots go back a long way, clearly.David_Evershed said:
Perhaps an example of epistocracy in an old persian saying:John_M said:
One of my new words learned solely due to the extended cri de coeur from my intellectual betters is 'epistocracy'. I wonder if we'll ever see it implemented. Hopefully, not in my lifetime.felix said:
Surbiton won't be happy until we return to the days of voting qualifications which exclude the lumpen masses.John_M said:
Really? I thought the split for ABC1s was 56:44 - perhaps I'm mis-remembering. Or perhaps you're speaking of academia, in which case, point cheerfully conceded.surbiton said:
As it should be. The educated / intelligentsia voted Remain overwhelmingly. They will remind the rest for a long time to come.malcolmg said:
Brexit will be to blame for everything for years, it will be used and abused as cover for all sorts of shaftings.Charles said:
He's wrong. They were going anyway. Brexit is just a convenient excuseScott_P said:@SophyRidgeSky: The Polish Deputy Prime Minister tells me financial services jobs are already starting to move from the UK to Poland due to Brexit #ridge
He who knows not but knows that he knows not - teach him
He who knows not and knows not that he knows not - shun him
He who knows and knows that he knows - follow him
By the bye, this is an interesting read on Trump's ban. I'm not sure it's any less partial, but it does at least present some historical data for context, which I always like:
http://www.nationalreview.com/article/444370/donald-trump-refugee-executive-order-no-muslim-ban-separating-fact-hysteria0 -
Though that didn't stop Nicolae been given a knighthood and Elena getting honorary doctorates from the Royal Society of Chemistry and Central London polytechnic (now Westminster University).another_richard said:
She's had plenty of experience of unsavoury characters:Pulpstar said:
Good point, just worried Trump might try to do something inappropriate. Grabbing May's hand looked odd to me, if he was to do that to the Queen though :ibrokenwheel said:
Why are you feeling bad for the Queen? She's married to Phillip for gods sake.Pulpstar said:I'm torn on this petition
On the one hand I think prejudicing our relationship with the world's foremost economic power is extremely counterproductive.
On the other I'm feeling bad for the Queen.
http://listverse.com/2014/08/07/10-deeply-embarrassing-pieces-of-political-memorabilia/
Weren't the Ceausescus not fully toilet trained or somesuch ?
I know that Nicolae had the knighthood removed after he had been overthrown but did Elana lose the honorary doctorates ?
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You omitted the link....Scott_P said:
Maybe notCarlottaVance said:Citation required
Unless you’re Donald Trump who, it’s becoming apparent, is 70 going on three. Britain hopes to tempt him here with a state visit, but that in itself is not enough for him. Trump reportedly wants a grander visit than any of his predecessors.0 -
I doubt if Trump will get a hero's welcome, but the outrage about his visit is mostly confined to places that voted Yes to AV.Roger said:
A hero's welcome? They've just got 100,000 signatures in half an hour saying the trip should be cancelled.MonikerDiCanio said:
When he receives a hero's welcome from the public, the anti-democratic fuddy duddies will stroke out.Scott_P said:@PaulBrandITV: Hard to see how Trump visit will be anything other than disaster now. Even if PM ignores outrage, thin-skinned President will hate protests.
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Can we please avoid knighting him though?CarlottaVance said:
You're not going to like this.....but we agree again!malcolmg said:
She has suffered far worse than Trump , it will be a breeze for her.Pulpstar said:I'm torn on this petition
On the one hand I think prejudicing our relationship with the world's foremost economic power is extremely counterproductive.
On the other I'm feeling bad for the Queen.
Anyone who can put up the atrocious Caecescu and his ghastly wife (Labour government) will take Trump easily in her stride...
Not forgetting Mugabe was knighted as well or the Iraq war and the Suez crisis, the Ceacescu knighthood remains the most grotesque, avoidable and embarrassing foreign policy disaster by a British government since the Second World War. The Romanians have not forgotten.0 -
Trump is far worse than Caecescu. He can actually cause us and the world serious damage which he seems hell bent on doing. Caecescu could only harm Romanians.CarlottaVance said:
You're not going to like this.....but we agree again!malcolmg said:
She has suffered far worse than Trump , it will be a breeze for her.Pulpstar said:I'm torn on this petition
On the one hand I think prejudicing our relationship with the world's foremost economic power is extremely counterproductive.
On the other I'm feeling bad for the Queen.
Anyone who can put up the atrocious Caecescu and his ghastly wife (Labour government) will take Trump easily in her stride...0 -
We will seemalcolmg said:
They may be whining jsut now but they will buckle down when it looks like their trade is about to be choppedHYUFD said:
The Germans, the Mexicans, the Canadians, the French, the Chinese have already said screw Trump. Trump cannot just rely on Putin and Netanyahu alone, he needs another G20 and Security Council leader leader who is not completely hostile and that is May and of course given the large number of protests in D.C., New York and LA against him I doubt he expects much different in Londonwilliamglenn said:
Can you see anyway this ends other than Trump thinking, "Screw the Brits?"CarlottaVance said:
Horse feathers. Bush visited when he was deeply unpopular so they adapted the visit accordingly - no carriage ride down the Mall, for example.Scott_P said:@PaulBrandITV: Hard to see how Trump visit will be anything other than disaster now. Even if PM ignores outrage, thin-skinned President will hate protests.
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It's all a bit moot, given that she was sent before a firing squad.another_richard said:
Though that didn't stop Nicolae been given a knighthood and Elena getting honorary doctorates from the Royal Society of Chemistry and Central London polytechnic (now Westminster University).another_richard said:
She's had plenty of experience of unsavoury characters:Pulpstar said:
Good point, just worried Trump might try to do something inappropriate. Grabbing May's hand looked odd to me, if he was to do that to the Queen though :ibrokenwheel said:
Why are you feeling bad for the Queen? She's married to Phillip for gods sake.Pulpstar said:I'm torn on this petition
On the one hand I think prejudicing our relationship with the world's foremost economic power is extremely counterproductive.
On the other I'm feeling bad for the Queen.
http://listverse.com/2014/08/07/10-deeply-embarrassing-pieces-of-political-memorabilia/
Weren't the Ceausescus not fully toilet trained or somesuch ?
I know that Nicolae had the knighthood removed after he had been overthrown but did Elana lose the honorary doctorates ?0 -
Yes, because it didn't contain the citation you requested, but here it isCarlottaVance said:You omitted the link....
http://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/trump-s-tantrums-risk-making-his-presidency-a-disaster-g7w0qmgl70 -
170,000 now. Clictivism in action.dr_spyn said:100,000 now signed up to save HMQ from embarrassment.
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lol.Sean_F said:
I doubt if Trump will get a hero's welcome, but the outrage about his visit is mostly confined to places that voted Yes to AV.Roger said:
A hero's welcome? They've just got 100,000 signatures in half an hour saying the trip should be cancelled.MonikerDiCanio said:
When he receives a hero's welcome from the public, the anti-democratic fuddy duddies will stroke out.Scott_P said:@PaulBrandITV: Hard to see how Trump visit will be anything other than disaster now. Even if PM ignores outrage, thin-skinned President will hate protests.
You're probably right.0 -
@matt_dathan: Sadiq Khan signals he'll back a Trump visit only when he lifts ban: 'I don't think there should be a state visit while this ban is in place'0
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Tokyo doesn't have an immigration policy, because there is free movement within Japan and such things are decided at national level. Japan's immigration system doesn't discriminate by religion.MonikerDiCanio said:
What's Tokyo's policy on Islamic immigration ?edmundintokyo said:
I think that's over-stating it, but it's pretty obvious his Reichstag fire is going to be Islamic terrorism. His opponents need to prosecute the case that he's *incompetent*. There's no point convincing people that he's an arsehole if they think he's their arsehole.MonikerDiCanio said:
When he receives a hero's welcome from the public, the anti-democratic fuddy duddies will stroke out.Scott_P said:@PaulBrandITV: Hard to see how Trump visit will be anything other than disaster now. Even if PM ignores outrage, thin-skinned President will hate protests.
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In political circles a good part of the outrage is in places that supported 'global Brexit', and therein lies the problem for May.Sean_F said:
I doubt if Trump will get a hero's welcome, but the outrage about his visit is mostly confined to places that voted Yes to AV.Roger said:
A hero's welcome? They've just got 100,000 signatures in half an hour saying the trip should be cancelled.MonikerDiCanio said:
When he receives a hero's welcome from the public, the anti-democratic fuddy duddies will stroke out.Scott_P said:@PaulBrandITV: Hard to see how Trump visit will be anything other than disaster now. Even if PM ignores outrage, thin-skinned President will hate protests.
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The usual suspects who sign these petitions.Bromptonaut said:Petition opposing Trump's visit to the UK has passed 100,000.
https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/171928
Edit - Whoops, old news.0 -
I think she should just accept it as part of the job and issue some suitable remarks via her press secretary, like the comment 'think very carefully' on the Indy ref. She's had to entertain far worse characters https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicolae_Ceaușescudavid_herdson said:
170,000 now. Clictivism in action.dr_spyn said:100,000 now signed up to save HMQ from embarrassment.
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There is also this, albeit it is the Express:Scott_P said:
Yes, because it didn't contain the citation you requested, but here it isCarlottaVance said:You omitted the link....
http://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/trump-s-tantrums-risk-making-his-presidency-a-disaster-g7w0qmgl7
http://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/757178/Donald-Trump-Queen-Balmoral-golf-official-state-visit0 -
He needs to make his train set work properly.Scott_P said:@matt_dathan: Sadiq Khan signals he'll back a Trump visit only when he lifts ban: 'I don't think there should be a state visit while this ban is in place'
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Her Majesty is pissing on the bed as we speak.Scott_P said:
Maybe notCarlottaVance said:Citation required
Unless you’re Donald Trump who, it’s becoming apparent, is 70 going on three. Britain hopes to tempt him here with a state visit, but that in itself is not enough for him. Trump reportedly wants a grander visit than any of his predecessors.0 -
I see India Knight of STimes fame has joined the ranks of those suggesting Trump should be assassinated - and duly reported to the Secret Service.
Hope she isn't planning a trip to the US anytime in the next few yrs.0 -
Like Boris Johnson?malcolmg said:
I think you will find a lot of heads nodding and saying brave man, a bit over the top but someone needs to sort it out and at least he is first one to try. Only Liberal lefties will be crying into their quinoa.Freggles said:If Theresa May is to continue enabling Trump in his neo fascist agenda, I will.consider her less electable than Jezza
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Does it discriminate by place of birth?edmundintokyo said:
Tokyo doesn't have an immigration policy, because there is free movement within Japan and such things are decided at national level. Japan's immigration system doesn't discriminate by religion.MonikerDiCanio said:
What's Tokyo's policy on Islamic immigration ?edmundintokyo said:
I think that's over-stating it, but it's pretty obvious his Reichstag fire is going to be Islamic terrorism. His opponents need to prosecute the case that he's *incompetent*. There's no point convincing people that he's an arsehole if they think he's their arsehole.MonikerDiCanio said:
When he receives a hero's welcome from the public, the anti-democratic fuddy duddies will stroke out.Scott_P said:@PaulBrandITV: Hard to see how Trump visit will be anything other than disaster now. Even if PM ignores outrage, thin-skinned President will hate protests.
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Well as I doubt Hartlepool and Clacton are on his itinerarySean_F said:
I doubt if Trump will get a hero's welcome, but the outrage about his visit is mostly confined to places that voted Yes to AV.Roger said:
A hero's welcome? They've just got 100,000 signatures in half an hour saying the trip should be cancelled.MonikerDiCanio said:
When he receives a hero's welcome from the public, the anti-democratic fuddy duddies will stroke out.Scott_P said:@PaulBrandITV: Hard to see how Trump visit will be anything other than disaster now. Even if PM ignores outrage, thin-skinned President will hate protests.
I imagine most of his time will be confined to places that voted YES.0 -
Yes, pretty obvious implication from the far right manifesto he ran under.SouthamObserver said:
Did he say in his manifesto that he would prevent people who have made the US their home, paid taxes there and never committed a crime there from re-entering the country should they leave? Did it state that British citizens would be banned from entry depending on where in the world they were born?David_Evershed said:Winner of US presidential election implements his manifesto.
The World recoils in horror.
Discuss.
Nobody gets to absolve themselves of responsibility at this point. We know what he was, he told us many times what he was.0 -
Though one no hair American did give her (and Fergie's toes) a bit of a moment.Ishmael_Z said:
By age 20 she had been through the abdication crisis and 6 years of ww2. One bad hair American is unlikely to worry her.CarlottaVance said:
You're not going to like this.....but we agree again!malcolmg said:
She has suffered far worse than Trump , it will be a breeze for her.Pulpstar said:I'm torn on this petition
On the one hand I think prejudicing our relationship with the world's foremost economic power is extremely counterproductive.
On the other I'm feeling bad for the Queen.
Anyone who can put up the atrocious Caecescu and his ghastly wife (Labour government) will take Trump easily in her stride...0 -
Yep.williamglenn said:
In political circles a good part of the outrage is in places that supported 'global Brexit', and therein lies the problem for May.Sean_F said:
I doubt if Trump will get a hero's welcome, but the outrage about his visit is mostly confined to places that voted Yes to AV.Roger said:
A hero's welcome? They've just got 100,000 signatures in half an hour saying the trip should be cancelled.MonikerDiCanio said:
When he receives a hero's welcome from the public, the anti-democratic fuddy duddies will stroke out.Scott_P said:@PaulBrandITV: Hard to see how Trump visit will be anything other than disaster now. Even if PM ignores outrage, thin-skinned President will hate protests.
It's the drawbridgers who are staying silent.0 -
So, just over 48% of the population. Isn't this supposed to be a time of healing and coming together? Clearly, by walking hand-in-hand with President Trump our PM is failing to achieve that aim.Sean_F said:
I doubt if Trump will get a hero's welcome, but the outrage about his visit is mostly confined to places that voted Yes to AV.Roger said:
A hero's welcome? They've just got 100,000 signatures in half an hour saying the trip should be cancelled.MonikerDiCanio said:
When he receives a hero's welcome from the public, the anti-democratic fuddy duddies will stroke out.Scott_P said:@PaulBrandITV: Hard to see how Trump visit will be anything other than disaster now. Even if PM ignores outrage, thin-skinned President will hate protests.
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Doubt Tokyo will elect a white Anglo-Saxon Protestant mayor any time soon.edmundintokyo said:
Tokyo doesn't have an immigration policy, because there is free movement within Japan and such things are decided at national level. Japan's immigration system doesn't discriminate by religion.MonikerDiCanio said:
What's Tokyo's policy on Islamic immigration ?edmundintokyo said:
I think that's over-stating it, but it's pretty obvious his Reichstag fire is going to be Islamic terrorism. His opponents need to prosecute the case that he's *incompetent*. There's no point convincing people that he's an arsehole if they think he's their arsehole.MonikerDiCanio said:
When he receives a hero's welcome from the public, the anti-democratic fuddy duddies will stroke out.Scott_P said:@PaulBrandITV: Hard to see how Trump visit will be anything other than disaster now. Even if PM ignores outrage, thin-skinned President will hate protests.
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Wondering if the Trump state visit will be in Scotland.0
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I wonder if the hand grab by Trump was entirely because he was about to launch this policy? Hard to know what TM the PM could have done, I think it is harsh to blame herSouthamObserver said:
So, just over 48% of the population. Isn't this supposed to be a time of healing and coming together? Clearly, by walking hand-in-hand with President Trump our PM is failing to achieve that aim.Sean_F said:
I doubt if Trump will get a hero's welcome, but the outrage about his visit is mostly confined to places that voted Yes to AV.Roger said:
A hero's welcome? They've just got 100,000 signatures in half an hour saying the trip should be cancelled.MonikerDiCanio said:
When he receives a hero's welcome from the public, the anti-democratic fuddy duddies will stroke out.Scott_P said:@PaulBrandITV: Hard to see how Trump visit will be anything other than disaster now. Even if PM ignores outrage, thin-skinned President will hate protests.
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https://twitter.com/SandraTXAS/status/825672301966397440
If I commented I might be banned!0 -
I'm not sure Donald Trumps Presidency is going to work out all that well...0
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No.SouthamObserver said:
Does it discriminate by place of birth?edmundintokyo said:
Tokyo doesn't have an immigration policy, because there is free movement within Japan and such things are decided at national level. Japan's immigration system doesn't discriminate by religion.MonikerDiCanio said:
What's Tokyo's policy on Islamic immigration ?edmundintokyo said:
I think that's over-stating it, but it's pretty obvious his Reichstag fire is going to be Islamic terrorism. His opponents need to prosecute the case that he's *incompetent*. There's no point convincing people that he's an arsehole if they think he's their arsehole.MonikerDiCanio said:
When he receives a hero's welcome from the public, the anti-democratic fuddy duddies will stroke out.Scott_P said:@PaulBrandITV: Hard to see how Trump visit will be anything other than disaster now. Even if PM ignores outrage, thin-skinned President will hate protests.
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Time for a 'the royal we' joke.edmundintokyo said:
Her Majesty is pissing on the bed as we speak.Scott_P said:
Maybe notCarlottaVance said:Citation required
Unless you’re Donald Trump who, it’s becoming apparent, is 70 going on three. Britain hopes to tempt him here with a state visit, but that in itself is not enough for him. Trump reportedly wants a grander visit than any of his predecessors.0 -
What gives you that idea? According to trump it is all working nicely.GIN1138 said:I'm not sure Donald Trumps Presidency is going to work out all that well...
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https://www.google.co.uk/amp/www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-elections/donald-trump-poll-international-countries-uk-hillary-clinton-rcp-us-presidential-live-election-a7367591.html?amp?client=ms-android-motorolaRoger said:
A hero's welcome? They've just got 100,000 signatures in half an hour saying the trip should be cancelled.MonikerDiCanio said:
When he receives a hero's welcome from the public, the anti-democratic fuddy duddies will stroke out.Scott_P said:@PaulBrandITV: Hard to see how Trump visit will be anything other than disaster now. Even if PM ignores outrage, thin-skinned President will hate protests.
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Oh, it's an opinion piece......not exactly double sourced?Scott_P said:
Yes, because it didn't contain the citation you requested, but here it isCarlottaVance said:You omitted the link....
http://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/trump-s-tantrums-risk-making-his-presidency-a-disaster-g7w0qmgl7
I'm glad people can fill their time signing online petitions, and perhaps after they've held "the biggest demonstration ever in the UK" which eclipses the Iraq anti war demonstration - and yet the Bush state visit still went ahead......the U.K. Government will change......absolutely nothing...0 -
Gruinard Island is lovely this time of year. I am sure we could spin a yarn that this is the Trump ancestral seat.0
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That Twit seems to be taking a carefully misleading view of Sharia Law. It is not a monolith.MikeK said:https://twitter.com/SandraTXAS/status/825672301966397440
If I commented I might be banned!
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The protest sign printing presses are already rolling into action.Jonathan said:Wondering if the Trump state visit will be in Scotland.
https://twitter.com/markrobsoninfo/status/8010790518718627850 -
Can we just take a rain check here?
I know I have just sort of compared Trump to Ceaucescu, or at least, cautioned against a similar treatment of the two.
However, has Trump had a quarter of a million people locked up, 80% of them dying in prison? Has he put half a million convicts to work digging a canal in the hope that they will all die of starvation and exhaustion? Has he built vast palaces, roads and military barracks clothing his wife in luxury using the money of his people as they live in poverty and hunger all around him?
Moving to the Saddam comparisons, has he gassed thousands of people of a different race to seize their lands and break their resistance? Has he mustered all the children in a village, got them to dig a grave, then had them machine gunned while their parents were forced to watch and applaud? Has he randomly threatened to invade his neighbours? Has he put his son in charge of all entertainment so that he can take his pick of which attractive young women to rape and even murder?
Trump is an arsehole. He will not be a good president at home and he is making a poor impression abroad. But these comparisons to dictators are not plausible and the hysterical nature of such posts merely makes his opponents look, well, rather out of touch with reality. There is no way he could be that bad, because the US Army would not support him and Congress would remove him if he even began to look that bad. We could I think even say he's not comparable to FDR, the nearest thing America's ever had to a dictator, although ironically many of their economic and racial policies are extremely similar (substituting Muslims for blacks).
So can we just criticise him for the stupid, unnecessary and damaging things he does, rather than comparing him to people who actually were, when you look rationally, a damn sight worse than he was? It would be much pleasanter all around.0 -
Time for a tactical abdication. In an unexpected turn of events King Charles III and PM Corbyn welcome the Donald on his state visit. Awkward!0
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Wrong referendum. Besides, being as pedantic as remoaners over the EUref; it was only 10% of the population that voted Yes.SouthamObserver said:
So, just over 48% of the population. Isn't this supposed to be a time of healing and coming together? Clearly, by walking hand-in-hand with President Trump our PM is failing to achieve that aim.Sean_F said:
I doubt if Trump will get a hero's welcome, but the outrage about his visit is mostly confined to places that voted Yes to AV.Roger said:
A hero's welcome? They've just got 100,000 signatures in half an hour saying the trip should be cancelled.MonikerDiCanio said:
When he receives a hero's welcome from the public, the anti-democratic fuddy duddies will stroke out.Scott_P said:@PaulBrandITV: Hard to see how Trump visit will be anything other than disaster now. Even if PM ignores outrage, thin-skinned President will hate protests.
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Dizzy
Something fishy going on with this petition. I clicked a link to it from Twitter and it appears to have auto-signed it. https://t.co/ya8TXhBFdU0 -
Didn't the shoe bomber have a british passport?0
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Donald J. Trump ✔ @realDonaldTrump
Our country needs strong borders and extreme vetting, NOW. Look what is happening all over Europe and, indeed, the world - a horrible mess!
1:08 PM - 29 Jan 2017
The policy has been implemented as an instantaneous executive order, and the details haven't been properly worked out, but why is it is wrong per se? If anything, it may be too restricted to be effective - why doesn't it cover all countries in the Levant and Arabia, extending to Pakistan?
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Trump is the Greatest Living Scotsman. You should embrace him.Theuniondivvie said:
The protest sign printing presses are already rolling into action.Jonathan said:Wondering if the Trump state visit will be in Scotland.
https://twitter.com/markrobsoninfo/status/8010790518718627850 -
Yeah but... He's completely loopy...FrancisUrquhart said:
What gives you that idea? According to trump it is all working nicely.GIN1138 said:I'm not sure Donald Trumps Presidency is going to work out all that well...
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Southam is a good European. He stops paying attention as soon as he gets to yes.SeanT said:
Yes to AV. Not the EUSouthamObserver said:
So, just over 48% of the population. Isn't this supposed to be a time of healing and coming together? Clearly, by walking hand-in-hand with President Trump our PM is failing to achieve that aim.Sean_F said:
I doubt if Trump will get a hero's welcome, but the outrage about his visit is mostly confined to places that voted Yes to AV.Roger said:
A hero's welcome? They've just got 100,000 signatures in half an hour saying the trip should be cancelled.MonikerDiCanio said:
When he receives a hero's welcome from the public, the anti-democratic fuddy duddies will stroke out.Scott_P said:@PaulBrandITV: Hard to see how Trump visit will be anything other than disaster now. Even if PM ignores outrage, thin-skinned President will hate protests.
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The immigration lawyer on sky just incorrectly said this is totally unheard of anywhere in the world...MikeK said:0
