Donald J. Trump ✔ @realDonaldTrump Our country needs strong borders and extreme vetting, NOW. Look what is happening all over Europe and, indeed, the world - a horrible mess! 1:08 PM - 29 Jan 2017
The policy has been implemented as an instantaneous executive order, and the details haven't been properly worked out, but why is it is wrong per se? If anything, it may be too restricted to be effective - why doesn't it cover all countries in the Levant and Arabia, extending to Pakistan?
@PaulBrandITV: Hard to see how Trump visit will be anything other than disaster now. Even if PM ignores outrage, thin-skinned President will hate protests.
When he receives a hero's welcome from the public, the anti-democratic fuddy duddies will stroke out.
I think that's over-stating it, but it's pretty obvious his Reichstag fire is going to be Islamic terrorism. His opponents need to prosecute the case that he's *incompetent*. There's no point convincing people that he's an arsehole if they think he's their arsehole.
What's Tokyo's policy on Islamic immigration ?
Tokyo doesn't have an immigration policy, because there is free movement within Japan and such things are decided at national level. Japan's immigration system doesn't discriminate by religion.
Doubt Tokyo will elect a white Anglo-Saxon Protestant mayor any time soon.
Statistically it seems unlikely... There was Finnish-born guy called Tsurunen Marutei who naturalized and became an MP, so there's still hope if you really want to do it.
Dizzy Something fishy going on with this petition. I clicked a link to it from Twitter and it appears to have auto-signed it. https://t.co/ya8TXhBFdU
I doubt that there is anything fishy going on. Had looked at it earlier on this morning. Had same message from a Twitter link - but signature can only be added if confirmation email is received and acknowledged. Unless of course Russian hackers have broken the system.
@PaulBrandITV: Hard to see how Trump visit will be anything other than disaster now. Even if PM ignores outrage, thin-skinned President will hate protests.
When he receives a hero's welcome from the public, the anti-democratic fuddy duddies will stroke out.
A hero's welcome? They've just got 100,000 signatures in half an hour saying the trip should be cancelled.
I doubt if Trump will get a hero's welcome, but the outrage about his visit is mostly confined to places that voted Yes to AV.
So, just over 48% of the population. Isn't this supposed to be a time of healing and coming together? Clearly, by walking hand-in-hand with President Trump our PM is failing to achieve that aim.
I wonder if the hand grab by Trump was entirely because he was about to launch this policy? Hard to know what TM the PM could have done, I think it is harsh to blame her
I don't blame her for that at all. As I have said on here a few times, what else could she do? She could hardly tell him to piss off. But it is a powerful photo, nevertheless. And May's reactions to the Trump ban yesterday made it even more powerful. She said that together the US and the UK will once again lead the world. She has made her bed with Trump. That photo will come up time and time again.
What the hell has AV got to do with Trumpton's visit? Even on AV-threader loving PB that's a stretch. Should we expect a new thread?
There is a very strong correlation between areas which voted YesToAV and those people signing the Trump position (and indeed the previous Ban Trump petition).
Whereas the people who signed the 'stop immigration' petitions had a good correlation with marginal constituencies.
I don't think it will be long before we have media reports that all the people in a Crouch End café have signed the Trump petition.
Though I suspect we'll get fewer reports on the thoughts from Nuneaton pubs.
Someone who whines about being banned calls for ban. Marvellous stuff.
Anyway, as your hero said, what's wrong with racism?
Well I get banned all the time for much less., virtually nothing in fact. Consistency would be nice.
He didn't mean "what's wrong with being nasty to people because of their race"... he was talking of a time when nationality and race were less fluid than now. I blame the fact he was on his death bed with Parkinson's for him being a bit out of touch
No, it's far more than that. Over a thousand people are signing every minute. Frankly, I'm tempted to. It's ludicrous that a full state visit has been offered so early. It's a massive hostage to fortune. Better to leave it to a second term, which might not happen and which might mean he can't avoid Charles.
Given his thin-skinness, he could well pull out anyway.
"Trump’s temporary immigration ban set a mental anchor in your brain that is frankly shocking. It will make his eventual permanent immigration plan (”extreme vetting”) look tame by comparison. The Persuasion Filter says that’s his strategy. Because that’s ALWAYS his strategy. He acts the same way every time. He wrote a book about it. He talks about it publicly. Then he does it right in front of us, over and over. And no matter how many times he does it, half the country still thinks the opening offer is the real one.
I’ve mentioned in this blog a few times that persuasion works even when the subject of the persuasion recognizes all the techniques as they happen. This is a perfect case. The left has been watching Trump make big offers and dial them back for the past year. And yet they still think this time it will be different. The Persuasion Filter says that 70-year old Trump will act the same way today as he has for the past several decades: Big first offer, then negotiate.
@PaulBrandITV: Hard to see how Trump visit will be anything other than disaster now. Even if PM ignores outrage, thin-skinned President will hate protests.
When he receives a hero's welcome from the public, the anti-democratic fuddy duddies will stroke out.
I think that's over-stating it, but it's pretty obvious his Reichstag fire is going to be Islamic terrorism. His opponents need to prosecute the case that he's *incompetent*. There's no point convincing people that he's an arsehole if they think he's their arsehole.
What's Tokyo's policy on Islamic immigration ?
Tokyo doesn't have an immigration policy, because there is free movement within Japan and such things are decided at national level. Japan's immigration system doesn't discriminate by religion.
Lol. You're a moron and a hypocrite
"Japan's Supreme Court has upheld the government's blanket surveillance of the country's Muslim community."
What the hell has AV got to do with Trumpton's visit? Even on AV-threader loving PB that's a stretch. Should we expect a new thread?
There is a very strong correlation between areas which voted YesToAV and those people signing the Trump position (and indeed the previous Ban Trump petition).
Whereas the people who signed the 'stop immigration' petitions had a good correlation with marginal constituencies.
I don't think it will be long before we have media reports that all the people in a Crouch End café have signed the Trump petition.
Though I suspect we'll get fewer reports on the thoughts from Nuneaton pubs.
I see. Thanks. Be interesting to see the correlation between the "stop immigration" signatories and areas with very low immigration.....
No, it's far more than that. Over a thousand people are signing every minute. Frankly, I'm tempted to. It's ludicrous that a full state visit has been offered so early. It's a massive hostage to fortune. Better to leave it to a second term, which might not happen and which might mean he can't avoid Charles.
Given his thin-skinness, he could well pull out anyway.
Is there a date for this state visit ?
Offering a state visit is not necessarily the same as hosting one.
HMQ's diary might be as fully booked as your local dentist's.
No, it's far more than that. Over a thousand people are signing every minute. Frankly, I'm tempted to. It's ludicrous that a full state visit has been offered so early. It's a massive hostage to fortune. Better to leave it to a second term, which might not happen and which might mean he can't avoid Charles.
Given his thin-skinness, he could well pull out anyway.
When is the Trumpet due to arrive for his 'State Visit' ?
@PaulBrandITV: Hard to see how Trump visit will be anything other than disaster now. Even if PM ignores outrage, thin-skinned President will hate protests.
When he receives a hero's welcome from the public, the anti-democratic fuddy duddies will stroke out.
A hero's welcome? They've just got 100,000 signatures in half an hour saying the trip should be cancelled.
I doubt if Trump will get a hero's welcome, but the outrage about his visit is mostly confined to places that voted Yes to AV.
So, just over 48% of the population. Isn't this supposed to be a time of healing and coming together? Clearly, by walking hand-in-hand with President Trump our PM is failing to achieve that aim.
I wonder if the hand grab by Trump was entirely because he was about to launch this policy? Hard to know what TM the PM could have done, I think it is harsh to blame her
I don't blame her for that at all. As I have said on here a few times, what else could she do? She could hardly tell him to piss off. But it is a powerful photo, nevertheless. And May's reactions to the Trump ban yesterday made it even more powerful. She said that together the US and the UK will once again lead the world. She has made her bed with Trump. That photo will come up time and time again.
But seeing as you and I are both reasonably intelligent men, who don't think the world should be run to suit a 24hr news cycle, shouldn't we pity the fact that it will be used against her rather than keep citing it?
Michael McFaul @McFaul · 7h7 hours ago Syrian human rights activist @radwanziadeh is trapped in Istanbul & cant come home. He's lived in US for 10 years; 3 kids all US citizens
Just watching BBC news after lunch at the in laws...... father in law asks "what is brexit"....
I understand his confusion - I have no idea myself! ;-)
Footie on telly has got him off the channels he watches otherwise. Westerns, midsummer murders, columbo, murder she wrote et al. He does watch country file though for the weeks weather.
Just watching BBC news after lunch at the in laws...... father in law asks "what is brexit"....
I understand his confusion - I have no idea myself! ;-)
Brexit is brexit! You're most welcome.
Just completed weekly round-robin call with the sibs. Both blissfully ignorant of the raging furore of the past 24 hours (which is about 20 Twitter lifetimes). It's clear that not all of us exist on the cutting edge of current affairs .
@PaulBrandITV: Hard to see how Trump visit will be anything other than disaster now. Even if PM ignores outrage, thin-skinned President will hate protests.
When he receives a hero's welcome from the public, the anti-democratic fuddy duddies will stroke out.
A hero's welcome? They've just got 100,000 signatures in half an hour saying the trip should be cancelled.
I doubt if Trump will get a hero's welcome, but the outrage about his visit is mostly confined to places that voted Yes to AV.
So, just over 48% of the population. Isn't this supposed to be a time of healing and coming together? Clearly, by walking hand-in-hand with President Trump our PM is failing to achieve that aim.
I wonder if the hand grab by Trump was entirely because he was about to launch this policy? Hard to know what TM the PM could have done, I think it is harsh to blame her
I don't blame her for that at all. As I have said on here a few times, what else could she do? She could hardly tell him to piss off. But it is a powerful photo, nevertheless. And May's reactions to the Trump ban yesterday made it even more powerful. She said that together the US and the UK will once again lead the world. She has made her bed with Trump. That photo will come up time and time again.
But seeing as you and I are both reasonably intelligent men, who don't think the world should be run to suit a 24hr news cycle, shouldn't we pity the fact that it will be used against her rather than keep citing it?
No, it's far more than that. Over a thousand people are signing every minute. Frankly, I'm tempted to. It's ludicrous that a full state visit has been offered so early. It's a massive hostage to fortune. Better to leave it to a second term, which might not happen and which might mean he can't avoid Charles.
Given his thin-skinness, he could well pull out anyway.
It's all rather like the rush to give Obama a Nobel Peace Prize months after his inauguration. Trump does not a need a state visit in order to come here and discuss policy with the government.
Tokyo doesn't have an immigration policy, because there is free movement within Japan and such things are decided at national level. Japan's immigration system doesn't discriminate by religion.
Is this an appropriate time to use the word synecdoche?
"I wolf whistled at a woman in a burqa in front of her old man in Covent Garden last year just to mess with him... a very nervous tube ride home"
Now, some will say that that's not racism. But it is hardly the actions of a rational person who wants good relations between people of different religions.
Just watching BBC news after lunch at the in laws...... father in law asks "what is brexit"....
Asked a class of Y11s last week who the Prime Minister was: got the confident and unironc reply of "David Cameron" from the first boy I asked (and this is in a grammar school). He seemed shocked when the rest of the class reacted with derision...
I see India Knight of STimes fame has joined the ranks of those suggesting Trump should be assassinated - and duly reported to the Secret Service.
Hope she isn't planning a trip to the US anytime in the next few yrs.
Another moron who should clearly know better.
Surely people have realised by now that making comments about wanting senior politicians killed, tends to attract the not inconsiderable attention of those charged with making sure they're not!
A hero's welcome? They've just got 100,000 signatures in half an hour saying the trip should be cancelled.
I doubt if Trump will get a hero's welcome, but the outrage about his visit is mostly confined to places that voted Yes to AV.
So, just over 48% of the population. Isn't this supposed to be a time of healing and coming together? Clearly, by walking hand-in-hand with President Trump our PM is failing to achieve that aim.
I wonder if the hand grab by Trump was entirely because he was about to launch this policy? Hard to know what TM the PM could have done, I think it is harsh to blame her
I don't blame her for that at all. As I have said on here a few times, what else could she do? She could hardly tell him to piss off. But it is a powerful photo, nevertheless. And May's reactions to the Trump ban yesterday made it even more powerful. She said that together the US and the UK will once again lead the world. She has made her bed with Trump. That photo will come up time and time again.
But seeing as you and I are both reasonably intelligent men, who don't think the world should be run to suit a 24hr news cycle, shouldn't we pity the fact that it will be used against her rather than keep citing it?
No, it's far more than that. Over a thousand people are signing every minute. Frankly, I'm tempted to. It's ludicrous that a full state visit has been offered so early. It's a massive hostage to fortune. Better to leave it to a second term, which might not happen and which might mean he can't avoid Charles.
Given his thin-skinness, he could well pull out anyway.
It's all rather like the rush to give Obama a Nobel Peace Prize months after his inauguration. Trump does not a need a state visit in order to come here and discuss policy with the government.
Sounds as if 'Operation Trump' was launched by a couple of advisers who were more keen than capable:
"I wolf whistled at a woman in a burqa in front of her old man in Covent Garden last year just to mess with him... a very nervous tube ride home"
Now, some will say that that's not racism. But it is hardly the actions of a rational person who wants good relations between people of different religions.
Well some would say its not racism because its not racism. She could have been a white bloke for all I know, couldn't tell.
The rational person who wants good relations between people of different religions would not allow mass immigration of a religion that is at odds with the host society
I am with Dizzy on this petition. It is telling me I have already signed when that is untrue.
Either the thing is being manipulated or the system is not working as it should.
It's because some people are sharing a link with their own session id in the URL so it shows that it's been signed already. It doesn't mean the count is dodgy.
"I wolf whistled at a woman in a burqa in front of her old man in Covent Garden last year just to mess with him... a very nervous tube ride home"
Now, some will say that that's not racism. But it is hardly the actions of a rational person who wants good relations between people of different religions.
Do you want "good relations" with men and communities that put their women in burqas? Would you want good relations with white communities that kept their servile blacks on a leash?
There is no difference.
I want these communities to fuck off.
I want good relations with individuals. You prefer to lump certain groups together so that real and perceived bad things done by *some* becomes a reason to take away rights from *all* of that group.
As you showed yesterday, when a Muslim woman doing her job at an airport was verbally and physically abused, you backed the attacker.
I am with Dizzy on this petition. It is telling me I have already signed when that is untrue.
Either the thing is being manipulated or the system is not working as it should.
It's because some people are sharing a link with their own session id in the URL so it shows that it's been signed already. It doesn't mean the count is dodgy.
"I wolf whistled at a woman in a burqa in front of her old man in Covent Garden last year just to mess with him... a very nervous tube ride home"
Now, some will say that that's not racism. But it is hardly the actions of a rational person who wants good relations between people of different religions.
Well some would say its not racism because its not racism. She could have been a white bloke for all I know, couldn't tell.
The rational person who wants good relations between people of different religions would not allow mass immigration of a religion that is at odds with the host society
So you are stupid, sexist, and a coward. And yes, I'd call you all of these, and a racist, to your face. And unlike you I wouldn't run away, because I'm right and you're a coward.
If the man had turned around and decked you - as many men of whatever ethnicity would, you'd be playing the victim.
But he didn't, so you try to play the victim card by stating how nervous you were on the journey home.
"I wolf whistled at a woman in a burqa in front of her old man in Covent Garden last year just to mess with him... a very nervous tube ride home"
Now, some will say that that's not racism. But it is hardly the actions of a rational person who wants good relations between people of different religions.
Well some would say its not racism because its not racism. She could have been a white bloke for all I know, couldn't tell.
The rational person who wants good relations between people of different religions would not allow mass immigration of a religion that is at odds with the host society
So you are stupid, sexist, and a coward. And yes, I'd call you all of these, and a racist, to your face. And unlike you I wouldn't run away, because I'm right and you're a coward.
If the man had turned around and decked you - as many men of whatever ethnicity would, you'd be playing the victim.
But he didn't, so you try to play the victim card by stating how nervous you were on the journey home.
What a low, pathetic individual you are.
Who ran away?
You can say it to my face if you like and see how you get on
"I wolf whistled at a woman in a burqa in front of her old man in Covent Garden last year just to mess with him... a very nervous tube ride home"
Now, some will say that that's not racism. But it is hardly the actions of a rational person who wants good relations between people of different religions.
Well some would say its not racism because its not racism. She could have been a white bloke for all I know, couldn't tell.
The rational person who wants good relations between people of different religions would not allow mass immigration of a religion that is at odds with the host society
So you are stupid, sexist, and a coward. And yes, I'd call you all of these, and a racist, to your face. And unlike you I wouldn't run away, because I'm right and you're a coward.
If the man had turned around and decked you - as many men of whatever ethnicity would, you'd be playing the victim.
But he didn't, so you try to play the victim card by stating how nervous you were on the journey home.
What a low, pathetic individual you are.
Who ran away?
You can say it to my face if you like and see how you get on
I will say it to your face. And the great thing is, in that little dried-up slug that passes for your soul, you will know I'm right.
I mean, leaving all the other complicating factors aside, do you really think that wolf-whistling is acceptable nowadays? And the fact you publicise it by mentioning it on here (in what reads like a mistaken act of bravado): really?
"I wolf whistled at a woman in a burqa in front of her old man in Covent Garden last year just to mess with him... a very nervous tube ride home"
Now, some will say that that's not racism. But it is hardly the actions of a rational person who wants good relations between people of different religions.
Well some would say its not racism because its not racism. She could have been a white bloke for all I know, couldn't tell.
The rational person who wants good relations between people of different religions would not allow mass immigration of a religion that is at odds with the host society
So you are stupid, sexist, and a coward. And yes, I'd call you all of these, and a racist, to your face. And unlike you I wouldn't run away, because I'm right and you're a coward.
If the man had turned around and decked you - as many men of whatever ethnicity would, you'd be playing the victim.
But he didn't, so you try to play the victim card by stating how nervous you were on the journey home.
What a low, pathetic individual you are.
Who ran away?
You can say it to my face if you like and see how you get on
I will say it to your face. And the great thing is, in that little dried-up slug that passes for your soul, you will know I'm right.
I mean, leaving all the other complicating factors aside, do you really think that wolf-whistling is acceptable nowadays? And the fact you publicise it by mentioning it on here (in what reads like a mistaken act of bravado): really?
I am afraid you are wrong on that first assertion
On your second, I would never wolf whistle in any other circumstance, don't think I ever have. But when I saw the creepy sight of a woman dressed up in medieval garb in 21st Century London I felt like ridiculing it, so I did.
On your second, I would never wolf whistle in any other circumstance, don't think I ever have. But when I saw the creepy sight of a woman dressed up in medieval garb in 21st Century London I felt like ridiculing it, so I did.
Excuses, excuses.
You actively want conflict. And before you start creating self-serving excuses again, just remember that the very people you seem to hate make exactly the same arguments you do.
E.g. on a middle-eastern beach: "But when I saw the creepy sight of a woman in a bikini I felt like ridiculing it."
You and the Muslim extremists are more alike than you'd like to admit. Any excuse for hate.
On your second, I would never wolf whistle in any other circumstance, don't think I ever have. But when I saw the creepy sight of a woman dressed up in medieval garb in 21st Century London I felt like ridiculing it, so I did.
Excuses, excuses.
You actively want conflict. And before you start creating self-serving excuses again, just remember that the very people you seem to hate make exactly the same arguments you do.
E.g. on a middle-eastern beach: "But when I saw the creepy sight of a woman in a bikini I felt like ridiculing it."
You and the Muslim extremists are more alike than you'd like to admit. Any excuse for hate.
Of course I don't want conflict. But when you import masses of people with a completely different worldview to the county they arrive in, conflict is unavoidable.
On your second, I would never wolf whistle in any other circumstance, don't think I ever have. But when I saw the creepy sight of a woman dressed up in medieval garb in 21st Century London I felt like ridiculing it, so I did.
Excuses, excuses.
You actively want conflict. And before you start creating self-serving excuses again, just remember that the very people you seem to hate make exactly the same arguments you do.
E.g. on a middle-eastern beach: "But when I saw the creepy sight of a woman in a bikini I felt like ridiculing it."
You and the Muslim extremists are more alike than you'd like to admit. Any excuse for hate.
Of course I don't want conflict. But when you import masses of people with a completely different worldview to the county they arrive in, conflict is unavoidable.
It seems like you want conflict.. with me!
You say you don't want conflict, yet you actively do something that might cause conflict with a stranger for absolutely no reason. As I say below, it rather sounds as if you hoped there would be conflict.
And you're the person who wrote: "You can say it to my face if you like and see how you get on"
On your second, I would never wolf whistle in any other circumstance, don't think I ever have. But when I saw the creepy sight of a woman dressed up in medieval garb in 21st Century London I felt like ridiculing it, so I did.
Excuses, excuses.
You actively want conflict. And before you start creating self-serving excuses again, just remember that the very people you seem to hate make exactly the same arguments you do.
E.g. on a middle-eastern beach: "But when I saw the creepy sight of a woman in a bikini I felt like ridiculing it."
You and the Muslim extremists are more alike than you'd like to admit. Any excuse for hate.
Of course I don't want conflict. But when you import masses of people with a completely different worldview to the county they arrive in, conflict is unavoidable.
It seems like you want conflict.. with me!
You say you don't want conflict, yet you actively do something that might cause conflict with a stranger for absolutely no reason. As I say below, it rather sounds as if you hoped there would be conflict.
And you're the person who wrote: "You can say it to my face if you like and see how you get on"
It wasn't for no reason, it was because his wife was wearing a burqa. Could have been his sister or his mum I suppose.
Yes, I wrote that as a reaction to "I'd call you all of these, and a racist, to your face. And unlike you I wouldn't run away, because I'm right and you're a coward."
All I said was say it and see... it's all a bit silly, you aren't going to say it to my face are you, as we are unlikely to ever meet.
Do you think there is a point in keeping on about this? I am no less certain I am right than when you first started baiting me, I am sure you feel the same
If Theresa May is to continue enabling Trump in his neo fascist agenda, I will.consider her less electable than Jezza
I think you will find a lot of heads nodding and saying brave man, a bit over the top but someone needs to sort it out and at least he is first one to try. Only Liberal lefties will be crying into their quinoa.
@PaulBrandITV: Hard to see how Trump visit will be anything other than disaster now. Even if PM ignores outrage, thin-skinned President will hate protests.
When he receives a hero's welcome from the public, the anti-democratic fuddy duddies will stroke out.
A hero's welcome? They've just got 100,000 signatures in half an hour saying the trip should be cancelled.
On your second, I would never wolf whistle in any other circumstance, don't think I ever have. But when I saw the creepy sight of a woman dressed up in medieval garb in 21st Century London I felt like ridiculing it, so I did.
Excuses, excuses.
You actively want conflict. And before you start creating self-serving excuses again, just remember that the very people you seem to hate make exactly the same arguments you do.
E.g. on a middle-eastern beach: "But when I saw the creepy sight of a woman in a bikini I felt like ridiculing it."
You and the Muslim extremists are more alike than you'd like to admit. Any excuse for hate.
Of course I don't want conflict. But when you import masses of people with a completely different worldview to the county they arrive in, conflict is unavoidable.
It seems like you want conflict.. with me!
You say you don't want conflict, yet you actively do something that might cause conflict with a stranger for absolutely no reason. As I say below, it rather sounds as if you hoped there would be conflict.
And you're the person who wrote: "You can say it to my face if you like and see how you get on"
It wasn't for no reason, it was because his wife was wearing a burqa. Could have been his sister or his mum I suppose.
Yes, I wrote that as a reaction to "I'd call you all of these, and a racist, to your face. And unlike you I wouldn't run away, because I'm right and you're a coward."
All I said was say it and see... it's all a bit silly, you aren't going to say it to my face are you, as we are unlikely to ever meet.
Do you think there is a point in keeping on about this? I am no less certain I am right than when you first started baiting me, I am sure you feel the same
As the next thread says, we shouldn't tolerate the intolerant. Your actions show that you are just as intolerant as the people you hate. Worse, you brag about it.
"it was because his wife was wearing a burqa"
This is exactly the same sort of pathetic excuse as: "It was because she was Jewish / English / she looked at me in a funny way." I'm guessing you would probably find such excuses distasteful?
Just to make it clear: I don't like the burqa; I find it distasteful. There are a few other things that I find distasteful, but I accept that, from the law at the moment, people can do them and that I should not abuse them in the street for it.
On your second, I would never wolf whistle in any other circumstance, don't think I ever have. But when I saw the creepy sight of a woman dressed up in medieval garb in 21st Century London I felt like ridiculing it, so I did.
Excuses, excuses.
You actively want conflict. And before you start creating self-serving excuses again, just remember that the very people you seem to hate make exactly the same arguments you do.
E.g. on a middle-eastern beach: "But when I saw the creepy sight of a woman in a bikini I felt like ridiculing it."
You and the Muslim extremists are more alike than you'd like to admit. Any excuse for hate.
Of course I don't want conflict. But when you import masses of people with a completely different worldview to the county they arrive in, conflict is unavoidable.
It seems like you want conflict.. with me!
You say you don't want conflict, yet you actively do something that might cause conflict with a stranger for absolutely no reason. As I say below, it rather sounds as if you hoped there would be conflict.
And you're the person who wrote: "You can say it to my face if you like and see how you get on"
It wasn't for no reason, it was because his wife was wearing a burqa. Could have been his sister or his mum I suppose.
Yes, I wrote that as a reaction to "I'd call you all of these, and a racist, to your face. And unlike you I wouldn't run away, because I'm right and you're a coward."
All I said was say it and see... it's all a bit silly, you aren't going to say it to my face are you, as we are unlikely to ever meet.
Do you think there is a point in keeping on about this? I am no less certain I am right than when you first started baiting me, I am sure you feel the same
As the next thread says, we shouldn't tolerate the intolerant. Your actions show that you are just as intolerant as the people you hate. Worse, you brag about it.
"it was because his wife was wearing a burqa"
This is exactly the same sort of pathetic excuse as: "It was because she was Jewish / English / she looked at me in a funny way." I'm guessing you would probably find such excuses distasteful?
Just to make it clear: I don't like the burqa; I find it distasteful. There are a few other things that I find distasteful, but I accept that, from the law at the moment, people can do them and that I should not abuse them in the street for it.
Well I don't think making fun of something is beyond the pale, you obviously do, what can I say? Agree to disagree
Well I don't think making fun of something is beyond the pale, you obviously do, what can I say? Agree to disagree
Wolf-whistling is not 'making fun', especially when you do it for the intolerant, hate-filled reasons you did it. And your reaction - that *you* were nervous on the way home - is just delicious. You try to make yourself the victim.
Well I don't think making fun of something is beyond the pale, you obviously do, what can I say? Agree to disagree
Wolf-whistling is not 'making fun', especially when you do it for the intolerant, hate-filled reasons you did it. And your reaction - that *you* were nervous on the way home - is just delicious. You try to make yourself the victim.
You really are like the people you hate.
I was just mucking about, get over it. I really couldn't care less what you think, don't see what you are getting out of continuing this futile barrage of abuse.
Well I don't think making fun of something is beyond the pale, you obviously do, what can I say? Agree to disagree
Wolf-whistling is not 'making fun', especially when you do it for the intolerant, hate-filled reasons you did it. And your reaction - that *you* were nervous on the way home - is just delicious. You try to make yourself the victim.
You really are like the people you hate.
I was just mucking about, get over it. I really couldn't care less what you think, don't see what you are getting out of continuing this futile barrage of abuse.
It's not a barrage of abuse; and that's a bit rich from someone who thinks it's good to abuse someone on the streets for reasons of their religion.
You'd be outraged if a Muslim abused a white woman on the street for wearing a miniskirt, even if he just said "I was just mucking about."
I am hoping you might actually see that what you did was stupid and intolerant. And that's the best I can say about it.
Well I don't think making fun of something is beyond the pale, you obviously do, what can I say? Agree to disagree
Wolf-whistling is not 'making fun', especially when you do it for the intolerant, hate-filled reasons you did it. And your reaction - that *you* were nervous on the way home - is just delicious. You try to make yourself the victim.
You really are like the people you hate.
I was just mucking about, get over it. I really couldn't care less what you think, don't see what you are getting out of continuing this futile barrage of abuse.
It's not a barrage of abuse; and that's a bit rich from someone who thinks it's good to abuse someone on the streets for reasons of their religion.
You'd be outraged if a Muslim abused a white woman on the street for wearing a miniskirt, even if he just said "I was just mucking about."
I am hoping you might actually see that what you did was stupid and intolerant. And that's the best I can say about it.
Crucial difference being white women are not generally forced to wear mini skirts whenever out in public by their husbands (who hold a disproportionate amount of influence over them, backed by their strict religious community)
You can go on all day if you like, I will never give in. I would do the same again in the blink of an eye, no regrets whatsoever. Just accept we don't agree, I am not trying to convince you to like me or what I say, as I said I couldn't care less
Well I don't think making fun of something is beyond the pale, you obviously do, what can I say? Agree to disagree
Wolf-whistling is not 'making fun', especially when you do it for the intolerant, hate-filled reasons you did it. And your reaction - that *you* were nervous on the way home - is just delicious. You try to make yourself the victim.
You really are like the people you hate.
I was just mucking about, get over it. I really couldn't care less what you think, don't see what you are getting out of continuing this futile barrage of abuse.
It's not a barrage of abuse; and that's a bit rich from someone who thinks it's good to abuse someone on the streets for reasons of their religion.
You'd be outraged if a Muslim abused a white woman on the street for wearing a miniskirt, even if he just said "I was just mucking about."
I am hoping you might actually see that what you did was stupid and intolerant. And that's the best I can say about it.
Crucial difference being white women are not generally forced to wear mini skirts whenever out in public by their husbands (who hold a disproportionate amount of influence over them, backed by their strict religious community)
You can go on all day if you like, I will never give in. I would do the same again in the blink of an eye, no regrets whatsoever. Just accept we don't agree, I am not trying to convince you to like me or what I say, as I said I couldn't care less
I guess you'd do the same thing again; the fact you're willing to admit that says more about you and your hate-filed views of life than anything I could say.
As I said before: you're just as bad as the people you hate. It's quite delicious to see you actually admit it.
Well I don't think making fun of something is beyond the pale, you obviously do, what can I say? Agree to disagree
Wolf-whistling is not 'making fun', especially when you do it for the intolerant, hate-filled reasons you did it. And your reaction - that *you* were nervous on the way home - is just delicious. You try to make yourself the victim.
You really are like the people you hate.
I was just mucking about, get over it. I really couldn't care less what you think, don't see what you are getting out of continuing this futile barrage of abuse.
It's not a barrage of abuse; and that's a bit rich from someone who thinks it's good to abuse someone on the streets for reasons of their religion.
You'd be outraged if a Muslim abused a white woman on the street for wearing a miniskirt, even if he just said "I was just mucking about."
I am hoping you might actually see that what you did was stupid and intolerant. And that's the best I can say about it.
Crucial difference being white women are not generally forced to wear mini skirts whenever out in public by their husbands (who hold a disproportionate amount of influence over them, backed by their strict religious community)
You can go on all day if you like, I will never give in. I would do the same again in the blink of an eye, no regrets whatsoever. Just accept we don't agree, I am not trying to convince you to like me or what I say, as I said I couldn't care less
I guess you'd do the same thing again; the fact you're willing to admit that says more about you and your hate-filed views of life than anything I could say.
As I said before: you're just as bad as the people you hate. It's quite delicious to see you actually admit it.
Whatever, bore someone who cares
What do I have to do to make you stop? Do you want the last word?
Well I don't think making fun of something is beyond the pale, you obviously do, what can I say? Agree to disagree
Wolf-whistling is not 'making fun', especially when you do it for the intolerant, hate-filled reasons you did it. And your reaction - that *you* were nervous on the way home - is just delicious. You try to make yourself the victim.
You really are like the people you hate.
I was just mucking about, get over it. I really couldn't care less what you think, don't see what you are getting out of continuing this futile barrage of abuse.
It's not a barrage of abuse; and that's a bit rich from someone who thinks it's good to abuse someone on the streets for reasons of their religion.
You'd be outraged if a Muslim abused a white woman on the street for wearing a miniskirt, even if he just said "I was just mucking about."
I am hoping you might actually see that what you did was stupid and intolerant. And that's the best I can say about it.
Crucial difference being white women are not generally forced to wear mini skirts whenever out in public by their husbands (who hold a disproportionate amount of influence over them, backed by their strict religious community)
You can go on all day if you like, I will never give in. I would do the same again in the blink of an eye, no regrets whatsoever. Just accept we don't agree, I am not trying to convince you to like me or what I say, as I said I couldn't care less
I guess you'd do the same thing again; the fact you're willing to admit that says more about you and your hate-filed views of life than anything I could say.
As I said before: you're just as bad as the people you hate. It's quite delicious to see you actually admit it.
Whatever, bore someone who cares
What do I have to do to make you stop? Do you want the last word?
It's not about having the last word or not; it's trying to get you to see some sense. Sadly it seems that you are incapable of seeing the folly of your actions.
You've actually made things worse by admitting you'd do it again.
You're going to end up getting arrested or beaten up. Either of which would probably make you feel a martyr.
Well I don't think making fun of something is beyond the pale, you obviously do, what can I say? Agree to disagree
You really are like the people you hate.
I was just mucking about, get over it. I really couldn't care less what you think, don't see what you are getting out of continuing this futile barrage of abuse.
I am hoping you might actually see that what you did was stupid and intolerant. And that's the best I can say about it.
Crucial difference being white women are not generally forced to wear mini skirts whenever out in public by their husbands (who hold a disproportionate amount of influence over them, backed by their strict religious community)
You can go on all day if you like, I will never give in. I would do the same again in the blink of an eye, no regrets whatsoever. Just accept we don't agree, I am not trying to convince you to like me or what I say, as I said I couldn't care less
I guess you'd do the same thing again; the fact you're willing to admit that says more about you and your hate-filed views of life than anything I could say.
As I said before: you're just as bad as the people you hate. It's quite delicious to see you actually admit it.
Whatever, bore someone who cares
What do I have to do to make you stop? Do you want the last word?
It's not about having the last word or not; it's trying to get you to see some sense. Sadly it seems that you are incapable of seeing the folly of your actions.
You've actually made things worse by admitting you'd do it again.
You're going to end up getting arrested or beaten up. Either of which would probably make you feel a martyr.
I have said "agree to disagree".
You can think whatever you like and make incorrect predictions of how I would feel or act, what can I do about that? This whole nonsense started on an incorrect remark from you, as I have no problem with Asian people, I have several Asian friends, and would not wolf whistle sarcastically at an Asian woman who wasn't wearing a burqa, or a woman on her own who was wearing one. I would not be friends with someone whose wife wore a burqa, and the wolf whistle was to annoy the man who is comfortable with his wife wearing one
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The current Leader of the Opposition is half-Taiwanese (born Taiwanese, naturalized Japanese in 1985), and got in a bit of trouble recently when it emerged that she still had Taiwanese citizenship, which is forbidden as Japan doesn't allow dual citizenship. She goes "Renho", which is a foreign derivation-sounding version of her Chinese name that she formerly used when she worked in soft porn [slightly NSFW for soft porn]. She came first in Tokyo in the last elections by quite a decent margin.
Letting you know who's taking the piss.
Of course not ONE refugee, Syrian or otherwise has been let in to Saudi.
https://twitter.com/nadhimzahawi/status/715124474471952384
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/La_Brea_Tar_Pits
and the Tar Baby
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tar-Baby
are American.
Anyway, as your hero said, what's wrong with racism?
Whereas the people who signed the 'stop immigration' petitions had a good correlation with marginal constituencies.
I don't think it will be long before we have media reports that all the people in a Crouch End café have signed the Trump petition.
Though I suspect we'll get fewer reports on the thoughts from Nuneaton pubs.
He didn't mean "what's wrong with being nasty to people because of their race"... he was talking of a time when nationality and race were less fluid than now. I blame the fact he was on his death bed with Parkinson's for him being a bit out of touch
https://twitter.com/Queen_UK/status/825702834314342402
Given his thin-skinness, he could well pull out anyway.
I’ve mentioned in this blog a few times that persuasion works even when the subject of the persuasion recognizes all the techniques as they happen. This is a perfect case. The left has been watching Trump make big offers and dial them back for the past year. And yet they still think this time it will be different. The Persuasion Filter says that 70-year old Trump will act the same way today as he has for the past several decades: Big first offer, then negotiate.
http://blog.dilbert.com/post/156532225711/the-persuasion-filter-and-immigration
Offering a state visit is not necessarily the same as hosting one.
HMQ's diary might be as fully booked as your local dentist's.
Especially with her and Philip's age and health.
Syrian human rights activist @radwanziadeh is trapped in Istanbul & cant come home. He's lived in US for 10 years; 3 kids all US citizens
https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/171928.json
Astonishing tho.
Just completed weekly round-robin call with the sibs. Both blissfully ignorant of the raging furore of the past 24 hours (which is about 20 Twitter lifetimes). It's clear that not all of us exist on the cutting edge of current affairs
Brexit is what you have in the morning.
In the middle of the day, you get Lunchit.
What's Tokyo's policy on Islamic immigration ?
Tokyo doesn't have an immigration policy, because there is free movement within Japan and such things are decided at national level. Japan's immigration system doesn't discriminate by religion.
Is this an appropriate time to use the word synecdoche?
https://twitter.com/david__osland/status/825695969605992448
"I wolf whistled at a woman in a burqa in front of her old man in Covent Garden last year just to mess with him... a very nervous tube ride home"
Now, some will say that that's not racism. But it is hardly the actions of a rational person who wants good relations between people of different religions.
Either the thing is being manipulated or the system is not working as it should.
Any journalists around to cover this?
https://twitter.com/mattwardman/status/825713987698491394
Surely people have realised by now that making comments about wanting senior politicians killed, tends to attract the not inconsiderable attention of those charged with making sure they're not!
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/01/05/theresa-may-sent-two-closest-aides-meet-donald-trump-backed/
Panic had set in when the Farage-in-the-lift photo was being beamed across the globe, so the comment about 24-hour news cycles is apposite.
The rational person who wants good relations between people of different religions would not allow mass immigration of a religion that is at odds with the host society
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As you showed yesterday, when a Muslim woman doing her job at an airport was verbally and physically abused, you backed the attacker.
I followed the one from Jonathon Freedland here:
https://twitter.com/Freedland/status/825689782974050305
The link is a couple of hours old so the session id - and I couldn't obviously see one on the link - should have expired.
If the man had turned around and decked you - as many men of whatever ethnicity would, you'd be playing the victim.
But he didn't, so you try to play the victim card by stating how nervous you were on the journey home.
What a low, pathetic individual you are.
You can say it to my face if you like and see how you get on
I mean, leaving all the other complicating factors aside, do you really think that wolf-whistling is acceptable nowadays? And the fact you publicise it by mentioning it on here (in what reads like a mistaken act of bravado): really?
On your second, I would never wolf whistle in any other circumstance, don't think I ever have. But when I saw the creepy sight of a woman dressed up in medieval garb in 21st Century London I felt like ridiculing it, so I did.
You actively want conflict. And before you start creating self-serving excuses again, just remember that the very people you seem to hate make exactly the same arguments you do.
E.g. on a middle-eastern beach: "But when I saw the creepy sight of a woman in a bikini I felt like ridiculing it."
You and the Muslim extremists are more alike than you'd like to admit. Any excuse for hate.
It seems like you want conflict.. with me!
I suspect that you are thinking of his horrible record-breaking pardoning of criminals.
https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/obama-granted-clemency-unlike-any-other-president-in-history/
And you're the person who wrote: "You can say it to my face if you like and see how you get on"
Yes, I wrote that as a reaction to "I'd call you all of these, and a racist, to your face. And unlike you I wouldn't run away, because I'm right and you're a coward."
All I said was say it and see... it's all a bit silly, you aren't going to say it to my face are you, as we are unlikely to ever meet.
Do you think there is a point in keeping on about this? I am no less certain I am right than when you first started baiting me, I am sure you feel the same
"it was because his wife was wearing a burqa"
This is exactly the same sort of pathetic excuse as: "It was because she was Jewish / English / she looked at me in a funny way." I'm guessing you would probably find such excuses distasteful?
Just to make it clear: I don't like the burqa; I find it distasteful. There are a few other things that I find distasteful, but I accept that, from the law at the moment, people can do them and that I should not abuse them in the street for it.
You really are like the people you hate.
You'd be outraged if a Muslim abused a white woman on the street for wearing a miniskirt, even if he just said "I was just mucking about."
I am hoping you might actually see that what you did was stupid and intolerant. And that's the best I can say about it.
You can go on all day if you like, I will never give in. I would do the same again in the blink of an eye, no regrets whatsoever. Just accept we don't agree, I am not trying to convince you to like me or what I say, as I said I couldn't care less
As I said before: you're just as bad as the people you hate. It's quite delicious to see you actually admit it.
What do I have to do to make you stop? Do you want the last word?
You've actually made things worse by admitting you'd do it again.
You're going to end up getting arrested or beaten up. Either of which would probably make you feel a martyr.
You can think whatever you like and make incorrect predictions of how I would feel or act, what can I do about that? This whole nonsense started on an incorrect remark from you, as I have no problem with Asian people, I have several Asian friends, and would not wolf whistle sarcastically at an Asian woman who wasn't wearing a burqa, or a woman on her own who was wearing one. I would not be friends with someone whose wife wore a burqa, and the wolf whistle was to annoy the man who is comfortable with his wife wearing one
None of that is racist
I doubt I would get beaten up
Besides, it all started when you tried to be a braggart with your sick prejudices and hatred.
You had absolutely no idea about their situation, or what was happening. All you did was spread a little more hatred in the world. Well done!
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