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Mr. P, Corbyn may want to consider the fate of gay men and Fatah supporters who found themselves taking a swift descent from Gaza rooftops at Hamas' hands. Wrong sort of injustice, perhaps.0
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Trump wasn't in office in 1939, wasn't it the Democrat FDR?SouthamObserver said:0 -
Mr. glw, I agree, and that's one reason I disagreed with Mr. Eagles' odd view (not the only one...) that we should vote to Remain and then leave a decade down the line.0
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Speaking of egregious lefty hypocrisy over dealing with Middle Eastern regimes;
http://www.lbc.co.uk/radio/presenters/iain-dale/iain-lib-dem-mp-in-fiery-exchange-over-turkey/0 -
Thats so obviously not him tweeting.Scott_P said:Corbyn has woken up...
https://twitter.com/jeremycorbyn/status/825410025803878401
One thing I do like about Trump, clearly has HIS OWN twitter account :>0 -
Ch4 News shows a clip of Trump speaking, followed by the reporter saying "That's not true"
Welcome to the next 4 years.0 -
Probably best learning to spell hypocrisy before you start the calling out stuff.Sandpit said:
I'm not sure that any went on the record to say that they would to be honest.malcolmg said:
LOL, name a lying Tory that has put up one , usual Tory whining all talk and no action. I will not hold my breath awaiting your list.Sandpit said:
LOL, except of course that Nicola (and that snowflake Yvette) don't have any refugees living in their homes. Funny that, all talk and no action.CarlottaVance said:
Not at all!Sandpit said:
Theresa May's response is absolutely the only thing she can say on the subject, no matter how aggressively the liberal media all want to keep asking her the same question over again.Big_G_NorthWales said:The MSM need to be careful here.
Clip of Theresa May says the 'United States is responsible for its policy on refugees, the UK is responsible for its refugees' sounded a good response. No other leader has condemned the US so far.
The Fench and German ministers say it can only 'worry us'
This is going to be a big story but there is no saying that the polarised views will change much
She should do what Nicola Sturgeon did and personally promise to house refugees in her own home!
Surely May should aim to live up to the glowing example Nicola set?
It's not the action, it's the hypocrisy of saying in front of the cameras you'll put up a refugee in your own home, yet not following through with actually doing it. They should be called out on the virtue signalling hypocracy every single time.0 -
WE would have 24 hour news parading lying politicians in that case. For the sanctimonious Tories to call out anybody is a disgrace. They would sell their granny.Sandpit said:
I'm not sure that any went on the record to say that they would to be honest.malcolmg said:
LOL, name a lying Tory that has put up one , usual Tory whining all talk and no action. I will not hold my breath awaiting your list.Sandpit said:
LOL, except of course that Nicola (and that snowflake Yvette) don't have any refugees living in their homes. Funny that, all talk and no action.CarlottaVance said:
Not at all!Sandpit said:
Theresa May's response is absolutely the only thing she can say on the subject, no matter how aggressively the liberal media all want to keep asking her the same question over again.Big_G_NorthWales said:The MSM need to be careful here.
Clip of Theresa May says the 'United States is responsible for its policy on refugees, the UK is responsible for its refugees' sounded a good response. No other leader has condemned the US so far.
The Fench and German ministers say it can only 'worry us'
This is going to be a big story but there is no saying that the polarised views will change much
She should do what Nicola Sturgeon did and personally promise to house refugees in her own home!
Surely May should aim to live up to the glowing example Nicola set?
It's not the action, it's the hypocrisy of saying in front of the cameras you'll put up a refugee in your own home, yet not following through with actually doing it. They should be called out on the virtue signalling hypocracy every single time.0 -
Is that the executive summary of the Chakrabarti Inquiry report?Scott_P said:Corbyn has woken up...
https://twitter.com/jeremycorbyn/status/8254100258038784010 -
Fun fact: Iran is one of the leading countries for sexual reassignment surgery (or gender confirmation surgery if you prefer). This is due to homosexuality being illegal (with the death penalty to boot) while transsexualism is not. Many gay people end up transitioning (with plenty of anecdotal reports that this is due to coercion). It's bloody sad.madasafish said:
Try standing in Tehran and supporting Jews and Israel. Your fate would be the same as in pre war Germany..Dromedary said:
The Iranian regimes under the Shah and the ayatollahs were fascist. The current one isn't.MikeK said:
So you don't think a closed Theocratic dictatorship like Iran is not Fascist? Which shows what a warped mind you have Dromedary. Maybe it's because you're a camel!Dromedary said:
I didn't think you were from the US. Iran has done the right thing and I hope many other countries follow suit. US embassies should be shut down and US officials required to leave within days.SeanT said:
Jests. That's a killer blow. All those Yanks planning a holiday in the fleshpots of Tehran will be fuming.Theuniondivvie said:It's all going swimmingly.
https://twitter.com/lbcbreaking/status/825392511883603968
This does rather underline the imbalance. Lots of them want to come here. Few of us want to go there.
Trump has banned refugees from the US, and he has promised to "bomb the shit" out of parts of Syria and Iraq, to "blow up every inch", and then "ring" the area he has bombed.
It is clear what fate he plans for those who manage to survive the bombing and who, because everything has been destroyed, will try to flee the area for reasons of food and shelter. Bloodletting will start soon, either there or in the US itself or somewhere else. If there's one thing all fascism is geared towards, it's war.
Before I heard about Iran, I was going to say my money would be on Bolivia as the first country to stand up to the US dictatorship on this.0 -
As a green card holder myself, my understanding was that a Lawful Permanent Resident arriving at the US border has the right to be paroled into the US and be brought before an Immigration Judge (IJ) to determine whether the "alien" still has LPR status. Typically this would come into play for LPRs who'd stayed out of the US for too long (over 6 months can cause problems at the border, over a year can cause Customs and Border Protection to determine that you've abandoned your LPR status, the IJ has the final say). So, if my layman's understanding of the law is correct, it would seem arbitrarily barring LPRs from certain countries would be unlawful. Of course, if DHS is telling the airlines that they'll be fined for any of these people they fly to the border, they're not going to be able to get on a plane in the first place.John_M said:
I believe so. Still trying to get some clarity on the green card wossname. Conflicting reports atm.perdix said:
If airlines transport people who are forbidden to enter the USA, do the airlines have to return them to the country of embarkation?John_M said:
I'm waiting for clarity as to whether this is HS enforcing the XO, or the airlines over-reacting on the precautionary principle.not_on_fire said:
Seriously? Having been deemed worthy of permanent residence it's outrageous to suddennly be stranded abroad because the rules have changed.viewcode said:
If memory serves, that happened to Charlie Chaplin. Although surprisingly I have not a lot of sympathy here. If you intend to live in a country long-term and don't take out at least dual citizenship, you do lay yourself open to this sort of thing.not_on_fire said:So it seems that Trump's visa ban includes green cards for citizens from the "Axis of Islam". People who may have lawfully lived in the US for decades and who happened to be on holiday this week are being barred from re-entering.
In any case, many countries don't allow dual citizenship, e.g. Germany, India, China.
As to Charlie Chaplin, it would seem that he held a re-entry permit, which allows LPRs who spend longer outside the US than would be compatible with maintaining their status to do so, conditionally. It is discretionary and it seems in Chaplin's case it was revoked.
Whilst as a white, nominally Christian male, I'm at the end of the list of those they'll come for next, I am quite glad I finally got my naturalization application in last year. Just worried that Trump will decide to suspend processing of those too.0 -
There are many and varied views on this forum and I would invite opinions from those who can provide it without unnecessary abuse as to where they expect this going to end
Trump has so much power that are Countries going to take him on, withdraw their ambassadors and refuse to trade with him.
Germany and France are making weak noises - are they afraid what Trump may do to them commercially especially as he is anti EU.
Is Juncker's going to send Trump to Coventry
Is anyone going to refer him to the UN on which he will resign from and take with him all his dollars
What about the IMF which he is very unhappy with
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Yet not a peep from the usual whinersJohn_M said:
Fun fact: Iran is one of the leading countries for sexual reassignment surgery (or gender confirmation surgery if you prefer). This is due to homosexuality being illegal (with the death penalty to boot) while transsexualism is not. Many gay people end up transitioning (with plenty of anecdotal reports that this is due to coercion). It's bloody sad.madasafish said:
Try standing in Tehran and supporting Jews and Israel. Your fate would be the same as in pre war Germany..Dromedary said:
The Iranian regimes under the Shah and the ayatollahs were fascist. The current one isn't.MikeK said:
So you don't think a closed Theocratic dictatorship like Iran is not Fascist? Which shows what a warped mind you have Dromedary. Maybe it's because you're a camel!Dromedary said:
I didn't think you were from the US. Iran has done the right thing and I hope many other countries follow suit. US embassies should be shut down and US officials required to leave within days.SeanT said:
Jests. That's a killer blow. All those Yanks planning a holiday in the fleshpots of Tehran will be fuming.Theuniondivvie said:It's all going swimmingly.
https://twitter.com/lbcbreaking/status/825392511883603968
This does rather underline the imbalance. Lots of them want to come here. Few of us want to go there.
Trump has banned refugees from the US, and he has promised to "bomb the shit" out of parts of Syria and Iraq, to "blow up every inch", and then "ring" the area he has bombed.
It is clear what fate he plans for those who manage to survive the bombing and who, because everything has been destroyed, will try to flee the area for reasons of food and shelter. Bloodletting will start soon, either there or in the US itself or somewhere else. If there's one thing all fascism is geared towards, it's war.
Before I heard about Iran, I was going to say my money would be on Bolivia as the first country to stand up to the US dictatorship on this.0 -
Mr. M, I was unaware of that. As you say, it's rather sad.
The Persian archaeology does sound interesting, but I'm not so fond of the politics.0 -
Personally I concluded that we would never be asked again, so if you wanted to leave now or might do in the future you had to vote Leave. I suspect that future governments will avoid referenda like the plague.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. glw, I agree, and that's one reason I disagreed with Mr. Eagles' odd view (not the only one...) that we should vote to Remain and then leave a decade down the line.
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Mr. glw, excepting on necessary matters such as changing the voting system (unless they're dodgy as hell).
Anyway, I must be off.0 -
Mr Dancer,
"Once again, a metropolitan over-reaction will probably backfire."
Exactly. I think Trump's actions are idiotic. But the Establishment's imitation of a Victorian woman having a fit of the vapours is amusing. And what's worse is the hysterical shrieking that we MUST condemn this at once.
I will make my own mind up, thank you. I can decide what I want. And now I find myself saying ... "Jehovah, Jehovah, Jehovah."
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"We're not in a strong position now to demand change on human rights in return for trade deals as we were before we decided to leave the European Union."brokenwheel said:Speaking of egregious lefty hypocrisy over dealing with Middle Eastern regimes;
http://www.lbc.co.uk/radio/presenters/iain-dale/iain-lib-dem-mp-in-fiery-exchange-over-turkey/
That is a horrible, horrible answer and one which may well come back to haunt her.0 -
What a gift Trump has given to ISIS.0
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There must be millions of disappointed Americans cancelling their stag do’s in Tehran…0
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Nicola and Yvette said they would do something and didn't, that's the hypocrisy.malcolmg said:
WE would have 24 hour news parading lying politicians in that case. For the sanctimonious Tories to call out anybody is a disgrace. They would sell their granny.Sandpit said:
I'm not sure that any went on the record to say that they would to be honest.malcolmg said:
LOL, name a lying Tory that has put up one , usual Tory whining all talk and no action. I will not hold my breath awaiting your list.Sandpit said:
LOL, except of course that Nicola (and that snowflake Yvette) don't have any refugees living in their homes. Funny that, all talk and no action.CarlottaVance said:
Not at all!Sandpit said:
Theresa May's response is absolutely the only thing she can say on the subject, no matter how aggressively the liberal media all want to keep asking her the same question over again.Big_G_NorthWales said:The MSM need to be careful here.
Clip of Theresa May says the 'United States is responsible for its policy on refugees, the UK is responsible for its refugees' sounded a good response. No other leader has condemned the US so far.
The Fench and German ministers say it can only 'worry us'
This is going to be a big story but there is no saying that the polarised views will change much
She should do what Nicola Sturgeon did and personally promise to house refugees in her own home!
Surely May should aim to live up to the glowing example Nicola set?
It's not the action, it's the hypocrisy of saying in front of the cameras you'll put up a refugee in your own home, yet not following through with actually doing it. They should be called out on the virtue signalling hypocracy every single time.
Nothing to do with 'Tories', no matter what you think of them.
Oh, and isn't tonight when everyone celebrates Burns' Night? Enjoy your evening!0 -
I wonder if she plans to remain a Tory MP.Scott_P said:@sarahwollaston: 1. On his forthcoming State visit I don't think Trump should be invited to address both Houses of Parliament from Westminster Hall
@sarahwollaston: 2. Westminster Hall has great significance & should be reserved for leaders who have made an outstanding positive difference in the world
@sarahwollaston: 3. That doesn't include Mr Trump.
@sarahwollaston: 4. Those who wish to fawn over him should be free to do so in the Royal Gallery as normal. Not Westminster Hall thanks
@sarahwollaston: 5. Not really a story was it
@sarahwollaston: 6.Trump really is a sickening piece of work. That's the story0 -
Is this the old 'Enoch was only reporting what he'd heard said' defence? I'm surprised anyone still goes with that.isam said:
Yes, that was someone else talking.Stark_Dawning said:Eight years ago in a respectable street in Wolverhampton a house was sold to a Negro. Now only one white (a woman old-age pensioner) lives there. This is her story. She lost her husband and both her sons in the war. So she turned her seven-roomed house, her only asset, into a boarding house. She worked hard and did well, paid off her mortgage and began to put something by for her old age. Then the immigrants moved in. With growing fear, she saw one house after another taken over. The quiet street became a place of noise and confusion. Regretfully, her white tenants moved out.
The day after the last one left, she was awakened at 7am by two Negroes who wanted to use her 'phone to contact their employer. When she refused, as she would have refused any stranger at such an hour, she was abused and feared she would have been attacked but for the chain on her door. Immigrant families have tried to rent rooms in her house, but she always refused. Her little store of money went, and after paying rates, she has less than £2 per week. “She went to apply for a rate reduction and was seen by a young girl, who on hearing she had a seven-roomed house, suggested she should let part of it. When she said the only people she could get were Negroes, the girl said, "Racial prejudice won't get you anywhere in this country." So she went home.
The telephone is her lifeline. Her family pay the bill, and help her out as best they can. Immigrants have offered to buy her house - at a price which the prospective landlord would be able to recover from his tenants in weeks, or at most a few months. She is becoming afraid to go out. Windows are broken. She finds excreta pushed through her letter box. When she goes to the shops, she is followed by children, charming, wide-grinning piccaninnies. They cannot speak English, but one word they know. "Racialist," they chant. When the new Race Relations Bill is passed, this woman is convinced she will go to prison. And is she so wrong? I begin to wonder.”
Given that I have studied Powell for years, and read that speech hundreds of times, did you really think I would be convinced by you posting that?
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https://twitter.com/His_Grace/status/825413579562217473Scott_P said:Corbyn has woken up...
https://twitter.com/jeremycorbyn/status/8254100258038784010 -
I agree with others that the events this week are simply political theatre aimed at his base. It's all sound and fury signifying, if not nothing, very little.Big_G_NorthWales said:There are many and varied views on this forum and I would invite opinions from those who can provide it without unnecessary abuse as to where they expect this going to end
Trump has so much power that are Countries going to take him on, withdraw their ambassadors and refuse to trade with him.
Germany and France are making weak noises - are they afraid what Trump may do to them commercially especially as he is anti EU.
Is Juncker's going to send Trump to Coventry
Is anyone going to refer him to the UN on which he will resign from and take with him all his dollars
What about the IMF which he is very unhappy with
Suggestions on what happens next would be interesting
The Euros will mutter under their breath and do nothing. The UN is almost 30% funded by the US and will flap and do nothing.
It's when he turns his attention to China that my giblets start to flutter. I'm starting to think they really fancy their chances if the US push the South China Sea or Taiwan issues. Europe and the Middle East is just a sideshow.0 -
At least one leader is willing to speak up for Don.
https://twitter.com/netanyahu/status/8253717959728250890 -
I suspect the Iranian government's move is not designed to discomfit Americans. Instead, it is about building support in the middle east as a defender of moslems. Trump is a gift to the mullahs at a time when their authority may have been weakening. Moving the US embassy to Jerusalem will further reinforce hardliners, as will cancelling the nuclear deal. Over in the US, they'll be fine with it. Europe can probably expect a new wave of refugees over the coming months.SimonStClare said:There must be millions of disappointed Americans cancelling their stag do’s in Tehran…
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In the game of Diversity Trumps, gays and women need to remember where they belong.malcolmg said:
Yet not a peep from the usual whinersJohn_M said:
Fun fact: Iran is one of the leading countries for sexual reassignment surgery (or gender confirmation surgery if you prefer). This is due to homosexuality being illegal (with the death penalty to boot) while transsexualism is not. Many gay people end up transitioning (with plenty of anecdotal reports that this is due to coercion). It's bloody sad.madasafish said:
Try standing in Tehran and supporting Jews and Israel. Your fate would be the same as in pre war Germany..Dromedary said:
The Iranian regimes under the Shah and the ayatollahs were fascist. The current one isn't.MikeK said:
So you don't think a closed Theocratic dictatorship like Iran is not Fascist? Which shows what a warped mind you have Dromedary. Maybe it's because you're a camel!Dromedary said:
I didn't think you were from the US. Iran has done the right thing and I hope many other countries follow suit. US embassies should be shut down and US officials required to leave within days.SeanT said:
Jests. That's a killer blow. All those Yanks planning a holiday in the fleshpots of Tehran will be fuming.Theuniondivvie said:It's all going swimmingly.
https://twitter.com/lbcbreaking/status/825392511883603968
This does rather underline the imbalance. Lots of them want to come here. Few of us want to go there.
Trump has banned refugees from the US, and he has promised to "bomb the shit" out of parts of Syria and Iraq, to "blow up every inch", and then "ring" the area he has bombed.
It is clear what fate he plans for those who manage to survive the bombing and who, because everything has been destroyed, will try to flee the area for reasons of food and shelter. Bloodletting will start soon, either there or in the US itself or somewhere else. If there's one thing all fascism is geared towards, it's war.
Before I heard about Iran, I was going to say my money would be on Bolivia as the first country to stand up to the US dictatorship on this.
It's not at the front of the bus. Those seats are *reserved*.
For myself I find the "relative" rights think so confusing. For example - a Polish-Lithuanian bouncer at student union kicked the crap out of some Sikh students beating up a half Sikh-half French gay guy (for being gay), outside the Union bar. I though the bouncer did the right thing - but apparently this showed I didn't have cultural sensitivity.0 -
Another populist right wing leader who outperformed the pollsTheuniondivvie said:At least one leader is willing to speak up for Don.
https://twitter.com/netanyahu/status/825371795972825089
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Best sticking with Enoch's own words.Stark_Dawning said:
Is this the old 'Enoch was only reporting what he'd heard said' defence? I'm surprised anyone still goes with that.isam said:
Yes, that was someone else talking.Stark_Dawning said:Eight years ago in a respectable street in Wolverhampton a house was sold to a Negro. Now only one white (a woman old-age pensioner) lives there. This is her story. She lost her husband and both her sons in the war. So she turned her seven-roomed house, her only asset, into a boarding house. She worked hard and did well, paid off her mortgage and began to put something by for her old age. Then the immigrants moved in. With growing fear, she saw one house after another taken over. The quiet street became a place of noise and confusion. Regretfully, her white tenants moved out.
The day after the last one left, she was awakened at 7am by two Negroes who wanted to use her 'phone to contact their employer. When she refused, as she would have refused any stranger at such an hour, she was abused and feared she would have been attacked but for the chain on her door. Immigrant families have tried to rent rooms in her house, but she always refused. Her little store of money went, and after paying rates, she has less than £2 per week. “She went to apply for a rate reduction and was seen by a young girl, who on hearing she had a seven-roomed house, suggested she should let part of it. When she said the only people she could get were Negroes, the girl said, "Racial prejudice won't get you anywhere in this country." So she went home.
The telephone is her lifeline. Her family pay the bill, and help her out as best they can. Immigrants have offered to buy her house - at a price which the prospective landlord would be able to recover from his tenants in weeks, or at most a few months. She is becoming afraid to go out. Windows are broken. She finds excreta pushed through her letter box. When she goes to the shops, she is followed by children, charming, wide-grinning piccaninnies. They cannot speak English, but one word they know. "Racialist," they chant. When the new Race Relations Bill is passed, this woman is convinced she will go to prison. And is she so wrong? I begin to wonder.”
Given that I have studied Powell for years, and read that speech hundreds of times, did you really think I would be convinced by you posting that?
'fellow guest Michael Cockerell remembered Powell telling him. “What’s wrong with racism? Racism is the basis of nationality.”'
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Israeli territory = 20,000 sq. km (about the size of Wales)Theuniondivvie said:At least one leader is willing to speak up for Don.
https://twitter.com/netanyahu/status/825371795972825089
Arab League states = 14 million sq. km (a bit smaller than Russia).0 -
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Amazing.
Just looking at trains for Cheltenham.
Which is why his attitude to Saudi will be critical.SouthamObserver said:
I suspect the Iranian government's move is not designed to discomfit Americans. Instead, it is about building support in the middle east as a defender of moslems. Trump is a gift to the mullahs at a time when their authority may have been weakening. Moving the US embassy to Jerusalem will further reinforce hardliners, as will cancelling the nuclear deal. Over in the US, they'll be fine with it. Europe can probably expect a new wave of refugees over the coming months.SimonStClare said:There must be millions of disappointed Americans cancelling their stag do’s in Tehran…
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Eating Staffordshire oatcakes with Jezza.
https://twitter.com/gareth_snell/status/825334274995929089/photo/1?ref_src=twsrc^tfw
Good to see that Ruth Smeeth is on smiling terms with the dear leader.0 -
Christiensen (HS spokesmuppet) has confirmed that the suspension includes green card holders. That _is_ boneheaded. Heading off to Twitter to hashtag in impotent fury. BBL.0
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Update on the widely reported case of Iraqi who worked as US Army interpreter who was detained at JFK. He has been released.0
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No ban for Saudis, despite 9/11 links. Funnily enough Trump has business interests in that country. Who'd have thought it?TOPPING said:Amazing.
Just looking at trains for Cheltenham.
Which is why his attitude to Saudi will be critical.SouthamObserver said:
I suspect the Iranian government's move is not designed to discomfit Americans. Instead, it is about building support in the middle east as a defender of moslems. Trump is a gift to the mullahs at a time when their authority may have been weakening. Moving the US embassy to Jerusalem will further reinforce hardliners, as will cancelling the nuclear deal. Over in the US, they'll be fine with it. Europe can probably expect a new wave of refugees over the coming months.SimonStClare said:There must be millions of disappointed Americans cancelling their stag do’s in Tehran…
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Anything that pisses off that punchable tossbag is a bonus.Scott_P said:0 -
Being a Tory isn't now contingent upon Trump devotion, surely?Sean_F said:
I wonder if she plans to remain a Tory MP.Scott_P said:@sarahwollaston: 1. On his forthcoming State visit I don't think Trump should be invited to address both Houses of Parliament from Westminster Hall
@sarahwollaston: 2. Westminster Hall has great significance & should be reserved for leaders who have made an outstanding positive difference in the world
@sarahwollaston: 3. That doesn't include Mr Trump.
@sarahwollaston: 4. Those who wish to fawn over him should be free to do so in the Royal Gallery as normal. Not Westminster Hall thanks
@sarahwollaston: 5. Not really a story was it
@sarahwollaston: 6.Trump really is a sickening piece of work. That's the story0 -
Hmm, while not agreeing I can understand Trump having the right to ban visa holders and even LPR holders (greencards). I suspect banning US citizens who are dual nationals from coming in is definitely unconstitutional.Scott_P said:0 -
Sounds fair to me. Leaving the EU means we have to act nice around people like Trump and Errogan.Pulpstar said:
"We're not in a strong position now to demand change on human rights in return for trade deals as we were before we decided to leave the European Union."brokenwheel said:Speaking of egregious lefty hypocrisy over dealing with Middle Eastern regimes;
http://www.lbc.co.uk/radio/presenters/iain-dale/iain-lib-dem-mp-in-fiery-exchange-over-turkey/
That is a horrible, horrible answer and one which may well come back to haunt her.0 -
Hollande on Trump
'When he refuses the arrival of refugees, when Europe has done it's duty' !!!!!!!!!
He is just so full of hypocrisy - in truth they havevno idea how to deal with Trump0 -
That guy has got some serious issues with Richard Branson.Sunil_Prasannan said:0 -
Donald Trump and Mini May
https://sidoxia.files.wordpress.com/2009/07/minime.jpg0 -
If you read the article it's people who have dual nationality with one of the banned countries and a non-US country who are banned.firstlight40 said:
Hmm, while not agreeing I can understand Trump having the right to ban visa holders and even LPR holders (greencards). I suspect banning US citizens who are dual nationals from coming in is definitely unconstitutional.Scott_P said:
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The whole thing is absurd. I can't stand the fauxrage or cobblers spouted by MSM anymore. I'd a few left in my timeline - they're gone.Casino_Royale said:So Trump has banned immigration from paragons of stability like Iran, Iraq, Libya, Somalia, Sudan and Yemen for 90 days. And that makes him a Nazi?
There are very many reasons to criticise Trump - and I have and will - but this ludicrous hand-wringing just shows how wildly out of touch the existing political and broadcasting establishment are.
My dwindling faith has been squished.0 -
https://twitter.com/wsj/status/825414944665518087
Theresa May doesn't have the option of not commenting because this now presumably affects British citizens.0 -
That's Tory Brexit for you.Stark_Dawning said:
Being a Tory isn't now contingent upon Trump devotion, surely?Sean_F said:
I wonder if she plans to remain a Tory MP.Scott_P said:@sarahwollaston: 1. On his forthcoming State visit I don't think Trump should be invited to address both Houses of Parliament from Westminster Hall
@sarahwollaston: 2. Westminster Hall has great significance & should be reserved for leaders who have made an outstanding positive difference in the world
@sarahwollaston: 3. That doesn't include Mr Trump.
@sarahwollaston: 4. Those who wish to fawn over him should be free to do so in the Royal Gallery as normal. Not Westminster Hall thanks
@sarahwollaston: 5. Not really a story was it
@sarahwollaston: 6.Trump really is a sickening piece of work. That's the story
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It'll be interesting to see what else Iran can do in response. The nuclear deal is probably sacrosanct as other countries are signatories, and they wouldn't want to annoy them.SouthamObserver said:
I suspect the Iranian government's move is not designed to discomfit Americans. Instead, it is about building support in the middle east as a defender of moslems. Trump is a gift to the mullahs at a time when their authority may have been weakening. Moving the US embassy to Jerusalem will further reinforce hardliners, as will cancelling the nuclear deal. Over in the US, they'll be fine with it. Europe can probably expect a new wave of refugees over the coming months.SimonStClare said:There must be millions of disappointed Americans cancelling their stag do’s in Tehran…
The obvious one is a pausing, or outright cancellation, of the $16 billion order for Boeing planes that Iran placed last month. That'd hurt Boeing and the US. But Iran *really* needs those planes. Will they shift the order and increase their buy from Airbus?0 -
Good thing there's no cobblers or faux outrage in your right wing blogs. Enjoy your alternate reality.PlatoSaid said:
The whole thing is absurd. I can't stand the fauxrage or cobblers spouted by MSM anymore. I'd a few left in my timeline - they're gone.Casino_Royale said:So Trump has banned immigration from paragons of stability like Iran, Iraq, Libya, Somalia, Sudan and Yemen for 90 days. And that makes him a Nazi?
There are very many reasons to criticise Trump - and I have and will - but this ludicrous hand-wringing just shows how wildly out of touch the existing political and broadcasting establishment are.
My dwindling faith has been squished.
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Financial scandals are now hitting Fillon (use of parliamentary funds), Macron (ministerial funds), and Le Pen (EU parliamentary funds). Perhaps Mélenchon, polling fourth, will win? I wish I could be so optimistic.
Mr Supporting Brexit - opposing Trump's refugee ban is an excellent use of the memory of your 39 relatives who died more than 70 years ago. Stop misusing their memory yourself.
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Corbyn just now
'it is more important than ever for us to say to refugees seeking a place of safety that they will always be welcome in Britain'
The man is so unaware - even now UKIP's printing presses for Stoke will quoting him0 -
I guess some black people or "negros" are from the Commonwealth.......Stark_Dawning said:
Eight years ago in a respectable street in Wolverhampton a house was sold to a Negro. Now only one white (a woman old-age pensioner) lives there. This is her story. She lost her husband and both her sons in the war. So she turned her seven-roomed house, her only asset, into a boarding house. She worked hard and did well, paid off her mortgage and began to put something by for her old age. Then the immigrants moved in. With growing fear, she saw one house after another taken over. The quiet street became a place of noise and confusion. Regretfully, her white tenants moved out.isam said:
No he wasn't talking about black people, he was talking about commonwealth immigrants. Read what he said.SeanT said:
But your hero Enoch was talking about black people. And in that respect he was completely and totally wrong.isam said:
If only someone had predicted, with devastating accuracy, what might happen...
He also said the way to stop the danger was mixed marriages, but the people he talked about wont allow that
The day after the last one left, she was awakened at 7am by two Negroes who wanted to use her 'phone to contact their employer. When she refused, as she would have refused any stranger at such an hour, she was abused and feared she would have been attacked but for the chain on her door. Immigrant families have tried to rent rooms in her house, but she always refused. Her little store of money went, and after paying rates, she has less than £2 per week. “She went to apply for a rate reduction and was seen by a young girl, who on hearing she had a seven-roomed house, suggested she should let part of it. When she said the only people she could get were Negroes, the girl said, "Racial prejudice won't get you anywhere in this country." So she went home.
The telephone is her lifeline. Her family pay the bill, and help her out as best they can. Immigrants have offered to buy her house - at a price which the prospective landlord would be able to recover from his tenants in weeks, or at most a few months. She is becoming afraid to go out. Windows are broken. She finds excreta pushed through her letter box. When she goes to the shops, she is followed by children, charming, wide-grinning piccaninnies. They cannot speak English, but one word they know. "Racialist," they chant. When the new Race Relations Bill is passed, this woman is convinced she will go to prison. And is she so wrong? I begin to wonder.”0 -
One of my erstwhile colleagues is in the US on a Green card, of Iranian birth, with a British passport.AlastairMeeks said:Theresa May doesn't have the option of not commenting because this now presumably affects British citizens.
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You want an unrepentant communist, who calls for an overthrow of the bourgeoisie, to win?Dromedary said:Financial scandals are now hitting Fillon (use of parliamentary funds), Macron (ministerial funds), and Le Pen (EU parliamentary funds). Perhaps Mélenchon, polling fourth, will win? I wish I could be so optimistic.
Mr Supporting Brexit - opposing Trump's refugee ban is an excellent use of the memory of your 39 relatives who died more than 70 years ago. Stop misusing their memory yourself.0 -
Banning people who have been given permanent residence in the US from entering the country is the action of a tyrant. The media reaction is justified.Casino_Royale said:So Trump has banned immigration from paragons of stability like Iran, Iraq, Libya, Somalia, Sudan and Yemen for 90 days. And that makes him a Nazi?
There are very many reasons to criticise Trump - and I have and will - but this ludicrous hand-wringing just shows how wildly out of touch the existing political and broadcasting establishment are.0 -
That's not what this means - as Mr Meeks has correctly understood, this is talking about dual nationals of e.g. Iraq and Britain. U.S. citizens are not affected.firstlight40 said:
Hmm, while not agreeing I can understand Trump having the right to ban visa holders and even LPR holders (greencards). I suspect banning US citizens who are dual nationals from coming in is definitely unconstitutional.Scott_P said:0 -
No one can be all bad.Stark_Dawning said:
That guy has got some serious issues with Richard Branson.Sunil_Prasannan said:0 -
Banning US citizens from entering the US is a breach of the UNs Universal Declaration of Human Rights. Article 13 states that
"Everyone has the right to leave any country, including his own, and to return to his country."
Citizenship may be stripped, but that isnt what Trump is doing.0 -
Re-entering the country, too. These are people who have already made their homes in the US. It is genuinely shocking - de facto expulsions are taking place.not_on_fire said:
Banning people who have been given permanent residence in the US from entering the country is the action of a tyrant. The media reaction is justified.Casino_Royale said:So Trump has banned immigration from paragons of stability like Iran, Iraq, Libya, Somalia, Sudan and Yemen for 90 days. And that makes him a Nazi?
There are very many reasons to criticise Trump - and I have and will - but this ludicrous hand-wringing just shows how wildly out of touch the existing political and broadcasting establishment are.
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Hollande has a 4 % approval rating. Even the French don't deserve this wretched dwarf.Big_G_NorthWales said:Hollande on Trump
'When he refuses the arrival of refugees, when Europe has done it's duty' !!!!!!!!!
He is just so full of hypocrisy - in truth they havevno idea how to deal with Trump0 -
I get the distinct impression that if Trump organised a Kristallnacht style event then this place would be full of complaints about the "out of touch liberal media" and their "overrreaction"SouthamObserver said:
Re-entering the country, too. These are people who have already made their homes in the US. It is genuinely shocking - de facto expulsions are taking place.not_on_fire said:
Banning people who have been given permanent residence in the US from entering the country is the action of a tyrant. The media reaction is justified.Casino_Royale said:So Trump has banned immigration from paragons of stability like Iran, Iraq, Libya, Somalia, Sudan and Yemen for 90 days. And that makes him a Nazi?
There are very many reasons to criticise Trump - and I have and will - but this ludicrous hand-wringing just shows how wildly out of touch the existing political and broadcasting establishment are.0 -
The Trump state visit later this year is going to be ... very lively.
On a state visit, the leaders of the Opposition parties usually meet the visitor.
And Trump is surely going to want to visit Scotland, the ancestral home of his
mother & his golf courses.
Wouldn't the Scottish Government normally host this?
Lively, ... very lively.
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Which he why he gave the go-ahead for two new oil pipelines last week.TOPPING said:
Which is why his attitude to Saudi will be critical.SouthamObserver said:
I suspect the Iranian government's move is not designed to discomfit Americans. Instead, it is about building support in the middle east as a defender of moslems. Trump is a gift to the mullahs at a time when their authority may have been weakening. Moving the US embassy to Jerusalem will further reinforce hardliners, as will cancelling the nuclear deal. Over in the US, they'll be fine with it. Europe can probably expect a new wave of refugees over the coming months.SimonStClare said:There must be millions of disappointed Americans cancelling their stag do’s in Tehran…
One imagines the US attitude to Saudi will change overnight, the minute the US becomes properly self-sufficient in fossil fuels. It's also why the UK and other O&G importers need to get fracking yesterday.0 -
How would they know that someone travelling on a British passport also had an Iranian one?MyBurningEars said:
That's not what this means - as Mr Meeks has correctly understood, this is talking about dual nationals of e.g. Iraq and Britain. U.S. citizens are not affected.firstlight40 said:
Hmm, while not agreeing I can understand Trump having the right to ban visa holders and even LPR holders (greencards). I suspect banning US citizens who are dual nationals from coming in is definitely unconstitutional.Scott_P said:
As a matter of interest, has any Shi-ite been involved in terrorism in a western country? Surely it is the Sunnis and Wahabbis from KSA that need scrutiny.0 -
Here. Have the Ludicrous Hyperbole award. No, really, you deserve it.not_on_fire said:
I get the distinct impression that if Trump organised a Kristallnacht style event then this place would be full of complaints about the "out of touch liberal media" and their "overrreaction"SouthamObserver said:
Re-entering the country, too. These are people who have already made their homes in the US. It is genuinely shocking - de facto expulsions are taking place.not_on_fire said:
Banning people who have been given permanent residence in the US from entering the country is the action of a tyrant. The media reaction is justified.Casino_Royale said:So Trump has banned immigration from paragons of stability like Iran, Iraq, Libya, Somalia, Sudan and Yemen for 90 days. And that makes him a Nazi?
There are very many reasons to criticise Trump - and I have and will - but this ludicrous hand-wringing just shows how wildly out of touch the existing political and broadcasting establishment are.0 -
Any guesses as to what Scottish Nationalist EUDivvie doesn't like about europhile Englishman Branson ?Theuniondivvie said:
No one can be all bad.Stark_Dawning said:
That guy has got some serious issues with Richard Branson.Sunil_Prasannan said:0 -
Putin understands this distinction which is why Hezzbollah and Russia haven't clashed in Syria. I'm genuinely unsure about Trump's relationship with Saudi, it surely can't be as head up arse as Bush/Obama's was though.foxinsoxuk said:
How would they know that someone travelling on a British passport also had an Iranian one?MyBurningEars said:
That's not what this means - as Mr Meeks has correctly understood, this is talking about dual nationals of e.g. Iraq and Britain. U.S. citizens are not affected.firstlight40 said:
Hmm, while not agreeing I can understand Trump having the right to ban visa holders and even LPR holders (greencards). I suspect banning US citizens who are dual nationals from coming in is definitely unconstitutional.Scott_P said:
As a matter of interest, has any Shi-ite been involved in terrorism in a western country? Surely it is the Sunnis and Wahabbis from KSA that need scrutiny.0 -
Trump has business interests in Saudi Arabia.Sandpit said:
Which he why he gave the go-ahead for two new oil pipelines last week.TOPPING said:
Which is why his attitude to Saudi will be critical.SouthamObserver said:
I suspect the Iranian government's move is not designed to discomfit Americans. Instead, it is about building support in the middle east as a defender of moslems. Trump is a gift to the mullahs at a time when their authority may have been weakening. Moving the US embassy to Jerusalem will further reinforce hardliners, as will cancelling the nuclear deal. Over in the US, they'll be fine with it. Europe can probably expect a new wave of refugees over the coming months.SimonStClare said:There must be millions of disappointed Americans cancelling their stag do’s in Tehran…
One imagines the US attitude to Saudi will change overnight, the minute the US becomes properly self-sufficient in fossil fuels. It's also why the UK and other O&G importers need to get fracking yesterday.
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Yes, and "Why don't you condemn North Korea?"not_on_fire said:
I get the distinct impression that if Trump organised a Kristallnacht style event then this place would be full of complaints about the "out of touch liberal media" and their "overrreaction"SouthamObserver said:
Re-entering the country, too. These are people who have already made their homes in the US. It is genuinely shocking - de facto expulsions are taking place.not_on_fire said:
Banning people who have been given permanent residence in the US from entering the country is the action of a tyrant. The media reaction is justified.Casino_Royale said:So Trump has banned immigration from paragons of stability like Iran, Iraq, Libya, Somalia, Sudan and Yemen for 90 days. And that makes him a Nazi?
There are very many reasons to criticise Trump - and I have and will - but this ludicrous hand-wringing just shows how wildly out of touch the existing political and broadcasting establishment are.
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I think Powell wasn't to exact in his language. During the period in question virtually all "negros" in Wolverhampton would have been West Indian. When I lived there (in his old constituency) the only non-English speakers were Punjabi Sikhs.nunu said:
I guess some black people or "negros" are from the Commonwealth.......Stark_Dawning said:
Eight years ago in a respectable street in Wolverhampton a house was sold to a Negro. Now only one white (a woman old-age pensioner) lives there. This is her story. She lost her husband and both her sons in the war. So she turned her seven-roomed house, her only asset, into a boarding house. She worked hard and did well, paid off her mortgage and began to put something by for her old age. Then the immigrants moved in. With growing fear, she saw one house after another taken over. The quiet street became a place of noise and confusion. Regretfully, her white tenants moved out.isam said:
No he wasn't talking about black people, he was talking about commonwealth immigrants. Read what he said.SeanT said:
But your hero Enoch was talking about black people. And in that respect he was completely and totally wrong.isam said:
If only someone had predicted, with devastating accuracy, what might happen...
He also said the way to stop the danger was mixed marriages, but the people he talked about wont allow that
The telephone is her lifeline. Her family pay the bill, and help her out as best they can. Immigrants have offered to buy her house - at a price which the prospective landlord would be able to recover from his tenants in weeks, or at most a few months. She is becoming afraid to go out. Windows are broken. She finds excreta pushed through her letter box. When she goes to the shops, she is followed by children, charming, wide-grinning piccaninnies. They cannot speak English, but one word they know. "Racialist," they chant. When the new Race Relations Bill is passed, this woman is convinced she will go to prison. And is she so wrong? I begin to wonder.”
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The supreme leader of the UK is head of a religion and came to the role Because of birth and without merit. Your point is?Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Dromedary, the supreme leader of Iran is an ayatollah.
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He's the elected boss of the USA, who said he would do this if elected. It is up to the American people as to who they let into their country - it isn't anyone else's business.SouthamObserver said:
Re-entering the country, too. These are people who have already made their homes in the US. It is genuinely shocking - de facto expulsions are taking place.not_on_fire said:
Banning people who have been given permanent residence in the US from entering the country is the action of a tyrant. The media reaction is justified.Casino_Royale said:So Trump has banned immigration from paragons of stability like Iran, Iraq, Libya, Somalia, Sudan and Yemen for 90 days. And that makes him a Nazi?
There are very many reasons to criticise Trump - and I have and will - but this ludicrous hand-wringing just shows how wildly out of touch the existing political and broadcasting establishment are.
Most countries are very fussy who they will let in. Criticising Trump on this matter is like the pot calling the kettle black. Governments who allow too much unrestricted immigration can get kicked in the ass at election time - that is why Brexit is happening.0 -
US State department now 'clarifying' position on green cards. Admittance on a case by case basis. OK, they've now gone from 'completely stupid' to 'cumbersome and stupid'.0
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And in the Emirates and Egypt. So that's three of the four countries that the perpetrators of the 911 attacks came from. (The fourth was Lebanon.)SouthamObserver said:
Trump has business interests in Saudi Arabia.Sandpit said:
Which he why he gave the go-ahead for two new oil pipelines last week.TOPPING said:
Which is why his attitude to Saudi will be critical.SouthamObserver said:
I suspect the Iranian government's move is not designed to discomfit Americans. Instead, it is about building support in the middle east as a defender of moslems. Trump is a gift to the mullahs at a time when their authority may have been weakening. Moving the US embassy to Jerusalem will further reinforce hardliners, as will cancelling the nuclear deal. Over in the US, they'll be fine with it. Europe can probably expect a new wave of refugees over the coming months.SimonStClare said:There must be millions of disappointed Americans cancelling their stag do’s in Tehran…
One imagines the US attitude to Saudi will change overnight, the minute the US becomes properly self-sufficient in fossil fuels. It's also why the UK and other O&G importers need to get fracking yesterday.
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'Someone punched a Nazi' would be right up there.Dromedary said:
Yes, and "Why don't you condemn North Korea?"not_on_fire said:
I get the distinct impression that if Trump organised a Kristallnacht style event then this place would be full of complaints about the "out of touch liberal media" and their "overrreaction"SouthamObserver said:
Re-entering the country, too. These are people who have already made their homes in the US. It is genuinely shocking - de facto expulsions are taking place.not_on_fire said:
Banning people who have been given permanent residence in the US from entering the country is the action of a tyrant. The media reaction is justified.Casino_Royale said:So Trump has banned immigration from paragons of stability like Iran, Iraq, Libya, Somalia, Sudan and Yemen for 90 days. And that makes him a Nazi?
There are very many reasons to criticise Trump - and I have and will - but this ludicrous hand-wringing just shows how wildly out of touch the existing political and broadcasting establishment are.0 -
Reading a letter from a constituent is what it isStark_Dawning said:
Is this the old 'Enoch was only reporting what he'd heard said' defence? I'm surprised anyone still goes with that.isam said:
Yes, that was someone else talking.Stark_Dawning said:Eight years ago in a respectable street in Wolverhampton a house was sold to a Negro. Now only one white (a woman old-age pensioner) lives there. This is her story. She lost her husband and both her sons in the war. So she turned her seven-roomed house, her only asset, into a boarding house. She worked hard and did well, paid off her mortgage and began to put something by for her old age. Then the immigrants moved in. With growing fear, she saw one house after another taken over. The quiet street became a place of noise and confusion. Regretfully, her white tenants moved out.
The day after the last one left, she was awakened at 7am by two Negroes who wanted to use her 'phone to contact their employer. When she refused, as she would have refused any stranger at such an hour, she was abused and feared she would have been attacked but for the chain on her door. Immigrant families have tried to rent rooms in her house, but she always refused. Her little store of money went, and after paying rates, she has less than £2 per week. “She went to apply for a rate reduction and was seen by a young girl, who on hearing she had a seven-roomed house, suggested she should let part of it. When she said the only people she could get were Negroes, the girl said, "Racial prejudice won't get you anywhere in this country." So she went home.
The telephone is her lifeline. Her family pay the bill, and help her out as best they can. Immigrants have offered to buy her house - at a price which the prospective landlord would be able to recover from his tenants in weeks, or at most a few months. She is becoming afraid to go out. Windows are broken. She finds excreta pushed through her letter box. When she goes to the shops, she is followed by children, charming, wide-grinning piccaninnies. They cannot speak English, but one word they know. "Racialist," they chant. When the new Race Relations Bill is passed, this woman is convinced she will go to prison. And is she so wrong? I begin to wonder.”
Given that I have studied Powell for years, and read that speech hundreds of times, did you really think I would be convinced by you posting that?0 -
I thought Trump’s behaviour at the PMs recent visit was surprisingly civil, even dare I say it, deferential. A state visit with all the pomp and circumstance the UK can muster will I suspect rather overawe him into behaving himself. – The streets however will be awash with outraged but 'lively' protestors attired with silly bobble hats..YBarddCwsc said:The Trump state visit later this year is going to be ... very lively.
On a state visit, the leaders of the Opposition parties usually meet the visitor.
And Trump is surely going to want to visit Scotland, the ancestral home of his
mother & his golf courses.
Wouldn't the Scottish Government normally host this?
Lively, ... very lively.0 -
I think I've said this before, but the crowd who are desperately hungry for peace to reign in the Middle East and the Western powers to butt out of the joint (which means either sacrificing strategic interests - or deciding that the Middle East is actually not so strategically important at all, and not worth the blood and treasure we've persisted at pouring into it for decades) has a very large intersection with the crowd who'd rather we were deeply strategically and economically dependent on their main export (okay, to be fair, they'd rather we drove cars powered by solar, lived in homes heated by the wind, and flew - if at all - in biodegradable aeroplanes fuelled by virginal mermaid fart) rather than for the West to seek energy self-sufficiency.Sandpit said:
Which he why he gave the go-ahead for two new oil pipelines last week.TOPPING said:
Which is why his attitude to Saudi will be critical.SouthamObserver said:
I suspect the Iranian government's move is not designed to discomfit Americans. Instead, it is about building support in the middle east as a defender of moslems. Trump is a gift to the mullahs at a time when their authority may have been weakening. Moving the US embassy to Jerusalem will further reinforce hardliners, as will cancelling the nuclear deal. Over in the US, they'll be fine with it. Europe can probably expect a new wave of refugees over the coming months.SimonStClare said:There must be millions of disappointed Americans cancelling their stag do’s in Tehran…
One imagines the US attitude to Saudi will change overnight, the minute the US becomes properly self-sufficient in fossil fuels. It's also why the UK and other O&G importers need to get fracking yesterday.
In 15-30 years' time, the economics are going to favour renewables far more than is the case today. During the transition, though, I know where I'd rather my petrodollars went. And I think the world would be, on balance, a better place for it. Even the Middle East might be poorer but less bloody.0 -
Well, there was that little hiccup in Argentina...foxinsoxuk said:
How would they know that someone travelling on a British passport also had an Iranian one?MyBurningEars said:
That's not what this means - as Mr Meeks has correctly understood, this is talking about dual nationals of e.g. Iraq and Britain. U.S. citizens are not affected.firstlight40 said:
Hmm, while not agreeing I can understand Trump having the right to ban visa holders and even LPR holders (greencards). I suspect banning US citizens who are dual nationals from coming in is definitely unconstitutional.Scott_P said:
As a matter of interest, has any Shi-ite been involved in terrorism in a western country? Surely it is the Sunnis and Wahabbis from KSA that need scrutiny.0 -
I have a friend who has a British mother and an Iranian father. He was born in Britain, and has always regarded himself as British. But his father registered his birth at the Iranian embassy when he was born, and he (technically) once held an Iranian passport.Scott_P said:
He now has to visit the US embassy and waste a day of his life to demonstrate he's not a terrorist to get a visa, rather than entering under ESTA.
I understand why the US is doing this. And I have no objection to the US doing this.
But it's worth remembering that the families of those who fled when the Shah fell hate the Iranian government more than Donald Trump.
And from a straight efficacy perspective, if you double or treble the number of people who need to apply for US visas, you probably lower the amount of scrutiny on each of them.0 -
Completely fair point. The pressure for human rights reform in Turkey is in order to meet EU requirements.not_on_fire said:
Sounds fair to me. Leaving the EU means we have to act nice around people like Trump and Errogan.Pulpstar said:
"We're not in a strong position now to demand change on human rights in return for trade deals as we were before we decided to leave the European Union."brokenwheel said:Speaking of egregious lefty hypocrisy over dealing with Middle Eastern regimes;
http://www.lbc.co.uk/radio/presenters/iain-dale/iain-lib-dem-mp-in-fiery-exchange-over-turkey/
That is a horrible, horrible answer and one which may well come back to haunt her.0 -
Did he say he would not allow permanent residents of the US back into the country? Can you link?daodao said:
He's the elected boss of the USA, who said he would do this if elected. It is up to the American people as to who they let into their country - it isn't anyone else's business.SouthamObserver said:
Re-entering the country, too. These are people who have already made their homes in the US. It is genuinely shocking - de facto expulsions are taking place.not_on_fire said:
Banning people who have been given permanent residence in the US from entering the country is the action of a tyrant. The media reaction is justified.Casino_Royale said:So Trump has banned immigration from paragons of stability like Iran, Iraq, Libya, Somalia, Sudan and Yemen for 90 days. And that makes him a Nazi?
There are very many reasons to criticise Trump - and I have and will - but this ludicrous hand-wringing just shows how wildly out of touch the existing political and broadcasting establishment are.
Most countries are very fussy who they will let in. Criticising Trump on this matter is like the pot calling the kettle black. Governments who allow too much unrestricted immigration can get kicked in the ass at election time - that is why Brexit is happening.
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CORRECTION: the ban applies to dual citizens EXCEPT if they are citizens of the US. So if they're French-Iraqi they are banned but if they are US-Iraqi they aren't.Dromedary said:Banning US citizens from entering the US is a breach of the UNs Universal Declaration of Human Rights. Article 13 states that
"Everyone has the right to leave any country, including his own, and to return to his country."
Citizenship may be stripped, but that isnt what Trump is doing.0 -
He's not doing joined up thinking, mind.Sandpit said:
Which he why he gave the go-ahead for two new oil pipelines last week.TOPPING said:
Which is why his attitude to Saudi will be critical.SouthamObserver said:
I suspect the Iranian government's move is not designed to discomfit Americans. Instead, it is about building support in the middle east as a defender of moslems. Trump is a gift to the mullahs at a time when their authority may have been weakening. Moving the US embassy to Jerusalem will further reinforce hardliners, as will cancelling the nuclear deal. Over in the US, they'll be fine with it. Europe can probably expect a new wave of refugees over the coming months.SimonStClare said:There must be millions of disappointed Americans cancelling their stag do’s in Tehran…
One imagines the US attitude to Saudi will change overnight, the minute the US becomes properly self-sufficient in fossil fuels. It's also why the UK and other O&G importers need to get fracking yesterday.
If he was, he wouldn't be dismantling the incentives for renewable energy - all of which have a much greater impact on US self-sufficiency than Keystone XL.0 -
He says he shut all his Saudi interests down after the election.SouthamObserver said:
Trump has business interests in Saudi Arabia.Sandpit said:
Which he why he gave the go-ahead for two new oil pipelines last week.TOPPING said:
Which is why his attitude to Saudi will be critical.SouthamObserver said:
I suspect the Iranian government's move is not designed to discomfit Americans. Instead, it is about building support in the middle east as a defender of moslems. Trump is a gift to the mullahs at a time when their authority may have been weakening. Moving the US embassy to Jerusalem will further reinforce hardliners, as will cancelling the nuclear deal. Over in the US, they'll be fine with it. Europe can probably expect a new wave of refugees over the coming months.SimonStClare said:There must be millions of disappointed Americans cancelling their stag do’s in Tehran…
One imagines the US attitude to Saudi will change overnight, the minute the US becomes properly self-sufficient in fossil fuels. It's also why the UK and other O&G importers need to get fracking yesterday.
http://iran-daily.com/News/173513.html
He does have interests in the UAE though, a golf course and hotel set to open later this year. Also I think in Qatar and Egypt.
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I think the reaction to today's events has wrong footed the MSM who expected total condemnation but in reality the condemnation has been mute and I have been surprised how this has more support then I expected.
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Can you explain why the US is doing it? I know a Bloomberg journalist currently based in Hong Kong with a green card and UK/Iranian citizenship. He had previously lived in the US for 10 years. Now he may be banned from re-entering. What is not objectionable about that?rcs1000 said:
I have a friend who has a British mother and an Iranian father. He was born in Britain, and has always regarded himself as British. But his father registered his birth at the Iranian embassy when he was born, and he (technically) once held an Iranian passport.Scott_P said:
He now has to visit the US embassy and waste a day of his life to demonstrate he's not a terrorist to get a visa, rather than entering under ESTA.
I understand why the US is doing this. And I have no objection to the US doing this.
But it's worth remembering that the families of those who fled when the Shah fell hate the Iranian government more than Donald Trump.
And from a straight efficacy perspective, if you double or treble the number of people who need to apply for US visas, you probably lower the amount of scrutiny on each of them.
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Who is supporting it that is a credible news source?Big_G_NorthWales said:I think the reaction to today's events has wrong footed the MSM who expected total condemnation but in reality the condemnation has been mute and I have been surprised how this has more support then I expected.
The left of course have pressed the outrage button but not sure how much mileage there is for them0 -
ha ha hanot_on_fire said:
I get the distinct impression that if Trump organised a Kristallnacht style event then this place would be full of complaints about the "out of touch liberal media" and their "overrreaction"SouthamObserver said:
Re-entering the country, too. These are people who have already made their homes in the US. It is genuinely shocking - de facto expulsions are taking place.not_on_fire said:
Banning people who have been given permanent residence in the US from entering the country is the action of a tyrant. The media reaction is justified.Casino_Royale said:So Trump has banned immigration from paragons of stability like Iran, Iraq, Libya, Somalia, Sudan and Yemen for 90 days. And that makes him a Nazi?
There are very many reasons to criticise Trump - and I have and will - but this ludicrous hand-wringing just shows how wildly out of touch the existing political and broadcasting establishment are.
oh shit, you were actually being serious
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I have visited plenty of countries with repellent regimes in my time. The people are distinct from their governments.MonikerDiCanio said:
The stonings to death put me off but each to his own.foxinsoxuk said:
Iran is very much on my to do list. The Persian archeology and sites are supposed to be wonderful, and the mountains near the Caspian glorious.SeanT said:
Jesus. That's a killer blow. All those Yanks planning a holiday in the fleshpots of Tehran will be fuming.Theuniondivvie said:It's all going swimmingly.
https://twitter.com/lbcbreaking/status/825392511883603968
This does rather underline the imbalance. Lots of them want to come here. Few of us want to go there.
Travelling in such places and hearing the stories is one reason that I value European culture so highly.0 -
Yes - I've had conversations with progressive types who are appalled that when we stop needing oil, we will stop giving money to countries who used to have oil. Apparently we should still send the money or something.MyBurningEars said:
I think I've said this before, but the crowd who are desperately hungry for peace to reign in the Middle East and the Western powers to butt out of the joint (which means either sacrificing strategic interests - or deciding that the Middle East is actually not so strategically important at all, and not worth the blood and treasure we've persisted at pouring into it for decades) has a very large intersection with the crowd who'd rather we were deeply strategically and economically dependent on their main export (okay, to be fair, they'd rather we drove cars powered by solar, lived in homes heated by the wind, and flew - if at all - in biodegradable aeroplanes fuelled by virginal mermaid fart) rather than for the West to seek energy self-sufficiency.Sandpit said:
Which he why he gave the go-ahead for two new oil pipelines last week.TOPPING said:
Which is why his attitude to Saudi will be critical.SouthamObserver said:
I suspect the Iranian government's move is not designed to discomfit Americans. Instead, it is about building support in the middle east as a defender of moslems. Trump is a gift to the mullahs at a time when their authority may have been weakening. Moving the US embassy to Jerusalem will further reinforce hardliners, as will cancelling the nuclear deal. Over in the US, they'll be fine with it. Europe can probably expect a new wave of refugees over the coming months.SimonStClare said:There must be millions of disappointed Americans cancelling their stag do’s in Tehran…
One imagines the US attitude to Saudi will change overnight, the minute the US becomes properly self-sufficient in fossil fuels. It's also why the UK and other O&G importers need to get fracking yesterday.
In 15-30 years' time, the economics are going to favour renewables far more than is the case today. During the transition, though, I know where I'd rather my petrodollars went. And I think the world would be, on balance, a better place for it. Even the Middle East might be poorer but less bloody.0 -
Sadly I suspect many people's reaction to your friend's stitiation would be to shrug. Demagogues liked trump have managed to seduce much of the population into an attitude that anyone not like them isn't a real person.SouthamObserver said:
Can you explain why the US is doing it? I know a Bloomberg journalist currently based in Hong Kong with a green card and UK/Iranian citizenship. He had previously lived in the US for 10 years. Now he may be banned from re-entering. What is not objectionable about that?rcs1000 said:
I have a friend who has a British mother and an Iranian father. He was born in Britain, and has always regarded himself as British. But his father registered his birth at the Iranian embassy when he was born, and he (technically) once held an Iranian passport.Scott_P said:
He now has to visit the US embassy and waste a day of his life to demonstrate he's not a terrorist to get a visa, rather than entering under ESTA.
I understand why the US is doing this. And I have no objection to the US doing this.
But it's worth remembering that the families of those who fled when the Shah fell hate the Iranian government more than Donald Trump.
And from a straight efficacy perspective, if you double or treble the number of people who need to apply for US visas, you probably lower the amount of scrutiny on each of them.0 -
I think he requires an interview and a visa, rather than this being a total ban.SouthamObserver said:
Can you explain why the US is doing it? I know a Bloomberg journalist currently based in Hong Kong with a green card and UK/Iranian citizenship. He had previously lived in the US for 10 years. Now he may be banned from re-entering. What is not objectionable about that?rcs1000 said:
I have a friend who has a British mother and an Iranian father. He was born in Britain, and has always regarded himself as British. But his father registered his birth at the Iranian embassy when he was born, and he (technically) once held an Iranian passport.Scott_P said:
He now has to visit the US embassy and waste a day of his life to demonstrate he's not a terrorist to get a visa, rather than entering under ESTA.
I understand why the US is doing this. And I have no objection to the US doing this.
But it's worth remembering that the families of those who fled when the Shah fell hate the Iranian government more than Donald Trump.
And from a straight efficacy perspective, if you double or treble the number of people who need to apply for US visas, you probably lower the amount of scrutiny on each of them.
But I agree: there are millions of people with dual Iranian citizenship, most of whom are from families driven out when the Shah was deposed, and who are implacably opposed to any form of Islamic law. The biggest group affected are those least likely to be a threat to the US. The US is imposing a cost on itself, and its friends, and one that probably increases the chance that a terrorist will get through.
Good headlines make bad laws.0 -
Sorry to disagree with you Big_G. This is a big mistake from Trump. It's aimed at his base (Look! I'm getting tough on immigration), but he's taken a huge sledgehammer to crack a nut. Stupid and counterproductive - and I don't normally climb on the outrage bus.Big_G_NorthWales said:I think the reaction to today's events has wrong footed the MSM who expected total condemnation but in reality the condemnation has been mute and I have been surprised how this has more support then I expected.
The left of course have pressed the outrage button but not sure how much mileage there is for them0 -
It's official: the outrage bus has been upgraded to an outrage train - all aboard for the liberal left!!
BTW I think the measure is silly.0 -
Bit like Corbyn in that respect.isam said:
Reading a letter from a constituent is what it isStark_Dawning said:
Is this the old 'Enoch was only reporting what he'd heard said' defence? I'm surprised anyone still goes with that.isam said:
Yes, that was someone else talking.Stark_Dawning said:Eight years ago in a respectable street in Wolverhampton a house was sold to a Negro. Now only one white (a woman old-age pensioner) lives there. This is her story. She lost her husband and both her sons in the war. So she turned her seven-roomed house, her only asset, into a boarding house. She worked hard and did well, paid off her mortgage and began to put something by for her old age. Then the immigrants moved in. With growing fear, she saw one house after another taken over. The quiet street became a place of noise and confusion. Regretfully, her white tenants moved out.
The day after the last one left, she was awakened at 7am by two Negroes who wanted to use her 'phone to contact their employer. When she refused, as she would have refused any stranger at such an hour, she was abused and feared she would have been attacked but for the chain on her door. Immigrant families have tried to rent rooms in her house, but she always refused. Her little store of money went, and after paying rates, she has less than £2 per week. “She went to apply for a rate reduction and was seen by a young girl, who on hearing she had a seven-roomed house, suggested she should let part of it. When she said the only people she could get were Negroes, the girl said, "Racial prejudice won't get you anywhere in this country." So she went home.
The telephone is her lifeline. Her family pay the bill, and help her out as best they can. Immigrants have offered to buy her house - at a price which the prospective landlord would be able to recover from his tenants in weeks, or at most a few months. She is becoming afraid to go out. Windows are broken. She finds excreta pushed through her letter box. When she goes to the shops, she is followed by children, charming, wide-grinning piccaninnies. They cannot speak English, but one word they know. "Racialist," they chant. When the new Race Relations Bill is passed, this woman is convinced she will go to prison. And is she so wrong? I begin to wonder.”
Given that I have studied Powell for years, and read that speech hundreds of times, did you really think I would be convinced by you posting that?0 -
Why should he have to go for an interview and get a visa when he's been a permanent resident for 10 years, presumably without issue?!rcs1000 said:
I think he requires an interview and a visa, rather than this being a total ban.SouthamObserver said:
Can you explain why the US is doing it? I know a Bloomberg journalist currently based in Hong Kong with a green card and UK/Iranian citizenship. He had previously lived in the US for 10 years. Now he may be banned from re-entering. What is not objectionable about that?rcs1000 said:
I have a friend who has a British mother and an Iranian father. He was born in Britain, and has always regarded himself as British. But his father registered his birth at the Iranian embassy when he was born, and he (technically) once held an Iranian passport.Scott_P said:
He now has to visit the US embassy and waste a day of his life to demonstrate he's not a terrorist to get a visa, rather than entering under ESTA.
I understand why the US is doing this. And I have no objection to the US doing this.
But it's worth remembering that the families of those who fled when the Shah fell hate the Iranian government more than Donald Trump.
And from a straight efficacy perspective, if you double or treble the number of people who need to apply for US visas, you probably lower the amount of scrutiny on each of them.
But I agree: there are millions of people with dual Iranian citizenship, most of whom are from families driven out when the Shah was deposed, and who are implacably opposed to any form of Islamic law. The biggest group affected are those least likely to be a threat to the US. The US is imposing a cost on itself, and its friends, and one that probably increases the chance that a terrorist will get through.
Good headlines make bad laws.0
