Mr. Jessop, by that, I'm referring to the apparent necessity of us leaving this Euratom thingummyjig only to rejoin it immediately as an associate.
Actually, Mr D, our departure from Euratom is specified in the A50 Bill.
Only because Lisbon+ says we have to.
So if I've got this straight, it's because the Lisbon Treaty supersedes membership of Euratom. So all those hyper-ventilating scientists should calm down, we have not suddenly turned anti-science or anti-nuclear it's simply that we won't be able to be a member of Euratom due to EU membership, we will have to replace it with an associate membership like Switzerland.
First there was Lisbon (2007). Then there was the EU Amendment Act (2008). This incorporated Euratom under the auspices of the EU (it was originally created under the Treaty of Rome).
Therefore, when we invoke article 50, Euratom is one of the agencies that we automagically leave. As you say, May hasn't suddenly run amok and decided that nukes are evil.
Lol, Tessy getting a lesson in morality from Erdogan. Presumably she'll get in a zinger about Turkey being responsible for Turkey's policy on refugees.
Lol, Tessy getting a lesson in morality from Erdogan. Presumably she'll get in a zinger about Turkey being responsible for Turkey's policy on refugees.
Note that in this story the culprit faces "four years in jail" for causing "some redness in the woman's shins". America is as mad as us. Hence, Trump.
Actually the story says "up to four years", which is presumably the maximum sentence available. In any event, the likelihood of Trump doing anything to reduce the excessive incarceration rate in the US is pretty slim.
Mr. Jessop, by that, I'm referring to the apparent necessity of us leaving this Euratom thingummyjig only to rejoin it immediately as an associate.
Actually, Mr D, our departure from Euratom is specified in the A50 Bill.
Only because Lisbon+ says we have to.
So if I've got this straight, it's because the Lisbon Treaty supersedes membership of Euratom. So all those hyper-ventilating scientists should calm down, we have not suddenly turned anti-science or anti-nuclear it's simply that we won't be able to be a member of Euratom due to EU membership, we will have to replace it with an associate membership like Switzerland.
First there was Lisbon (2007). Then there was the EU Amendment Act (2008). This incorporated Euratom under the auspices of the EU (it was originally created under the Treaty of Rome).
Therefore, when we invoke article 50, Euratom is one of the agencies that we automagically leave. As you say, May hasn't suddenly run amok and decided that nukes are evil.
Supremely good typo.
If you mean 'automagically', not a typo, just one of my many idiosyncracies .
@JustinWolfers: If the only we had implemented Trump's immigration ban list a decade ago, we could have prevented exactly 0 acts of Islamic terror in the US
If only we had implemented and widened Trump's ban 30 years ago, we could have prevented:
Hundreds of honour killings 100.000s of FGMs The burqa on British streets A return of widespread anti Semitism Religious mass murder A nationwide epidemic of racist gang rape of underage white girls.
Call me mister Trumpyface, but... hmm.
If only someone had predicted, with devastating accuracy, what might happen...
Therefore, when we invoke article 50, Euratom is one of the agencies that we automagically leave. As you say, May hasn't suddenly run amok and decided that nukes are evil.
We are going to see a whole series of eruptions of ill-informed outrage as it sinks in what leaving the EU means, aren't we?
I wonder how many people who are outraged at the UK leaving Euratom have any idea what it does.
Less than 1 in a 1,000, and the outrage is mostly due to people not understanding why we are leaving, and assuming something else. Of course a more interesting question is why cooperation on nuclear energy matters became entangled with EU membership. It's almost as though the EU has become what we long feared it would.
It was there from the start. Euratom was created at the same time as the EEC and shared institutions from 1967 i.e. before the UK joined.
True, but it was originally a separate organisation with its own treaty. This is a good illustration of one of the big EU problems, that EU membership comes as a package, it's not flexible, and to solve one issue in particular (immigration control) we are having to leave the EU, single market, customs union, Euratom and much more. A bit of real flexibility and in all likelihood we would have voted to remain.
EURATOM seems a strange one to withdraw from, since much of the money comes here iirc to Culham (?)
I would have thought to go for the Associate Membership Swiss style, if full membership could not be retained.
But EU membership does *not* always come as a package .. there are anomalies everywhere and it is just believed that it comes as a package, which introduces a poisonous creeping inflexibilty.
Which is why we were exactly right to leave - it is an irreformable pig in a poke.
Lol, Tessy getting a lesson in morality from Erdogan. Presumably she'll get in a zinger about Turkey being responsible for Turkey's policy on refugees.
NICOLA Sturgeon said she would be “happy” to have a Syrian refugee stay in her home as she continued to press the UK Government to accept “significant numbers” of those fleeing from Syria to Europe.
@JustinWolfers: If the only we had implemented Trump's immigration ban list a decade ago, we could have prevented exactly 0 acts of Islamic terror in the US
If only we had implemented and widened Trump's ban 30 years ago, we could have prevented:
Hundreds of honour killings 100.000s of FGMs The burqa on British streets A return of widespread anti Semitism Religious mass murder A nationwide epidemic of racist gang rape of underage white girls.
Call me mister Trumpyface, but... hmm.
If only someone had predicted, with devastating accuracy, what might happen...
The problem isn't the people. It is the bizarre way that we allow the foreign funding of nuttbar hatred - including racist hatred.
If we had the American Church of the Creator funding (to the tune of 100s of millions) preachers in this country, proclaiming that Hindus are cow worshipping %^& who deserve to be killed, demanding bans on Darwin, etc what would be the reaction from the progressive regressives?
Apparently cutting off such funding would be a red-line for the Saudis - which should tell you something about it.
@Ed_Miliband: PM's refusal to condemn Trump Muslim ban is shocking, wrong and cannot stand. It flies in the face of the values of people across Britain.
Trump is out of order and I doubt this policy will last long.
Theresa May's response that America has it's policy and UK has ours is the only response most every leader would give.
But those on the left will continue with their fury but I am not sure it will take them far
Bet she is the only leader that gives that response
@JustinWolfers: If the only we had implemented Trump's immigration ban list a decade ago, we could have prevented exactly 0 acts of Islamic terror in the US
If only we had implemented and widened Trump's ban 30 years ago, we could have prevented:
Hundreds of honour killings 100.000s of FGMs The burqa on British streets A return of widespread anti Semitism Religious mass murder A nationwide epidemic of racist gang rape of underage white girls.
Call me mister Trumpyface, but... hmm.
If only someone had predicted, with devastating accuracy, what might happen...
But your hero Enoch was talking about black people. And in that respect he was completely and totally wrong.
No he wasn't talking about black people, he was talking about commonwealth immigrants. Read what he said.
He also said the way to stop the danger was mixed marriages, but the people he talked about wont allow that
EURATOM seems a strange one to withdraw from, since much of the money comes here iirc to Culham (?)
I would have thought to go for the Associate Membership Swiss style, if full membership could not be retained.
I don't think the government wants to leave, but if our membership is tied to EU membership, which seems to be the case, we have to leave. That will be the case with all sorts of EU run organisations. I guess it has been added to the A50 bill because government lawyers have concluded that we will have to leave Euratom as is and seek some other form of membership. But it is not a sign of the government going wobbly on science or nuclear energy cooperation.
So Trump has banned immigration from paragons of stability like Iran, Iraq, Libya, Somalia, Sudan and Yemen for 90 days. And that makes him a Nazi?
There are very many reasons to criticise Trump - and I have and will - but this ludicrous hand-wringing just shows how wildly out of touch the existing political and broadcasting establishment are.
Note that in this story the culprit faces "four years in jail" for causing "some redness in the woman's shins". America is as mad as us. Hence, Trump.
Actually the story says "up to four years", which is presumably the maximum sentence available. In any event, the likelihood of Trump doing anything to reduce the excessive incarceration rate in the US is pretty slim.
The US gives it's judges a fair degree of flexibility on sentences - other than the areas where the moral majority fools have showed in mandatory minimums.
This is a bit like those horror stories about hackers facing 100,000,000 years in jail just because they hacked (and damaged) government systems in the US. The actual sentences handed out tend to be *lower* than those in the UK, for hacking. To get the high score you'd need to do something like Die Hard 4.
I think Theresa should have tactfully kept her distance from Donald, at least until the reality of him had sunk in. We know why she did it: spooked by Farage and under pressure from the 'Brexit must be seen to be an immediate triumph' crowd. The problem is, if the Trump thing gets a bit sticky, that lot will vanish into the shadows leaving Theresa alone as Trump's hand maiden. She has enough on her plate with Brexit without having to defend Donald's every eccentricity and whim.
Mr. Jessop, by that, I'm referring to the apparent necessity of us leaving this Euratom thingummyjig only to rejoin it immediately as an associate.
Actually, Mr D, our departure from Euratom is specified in the A50 Bill.
Only because Lisbon+ says we have to.
So if I've got this straight, it's because the Lisbon Treaty supersedes membership of Euratom. So all those hyper-ventilating scientists should calm down, we have not suddenly turned anti-science or anti-nuclear it's simply that we won't be able to be a member of Euratom due to EU membership, we will have to replace it with an associate membership like Switzerland.
First there was Lisbon (2007). Then there was the EU Amendment Act (2008). This incorporated Euratom under the auspices of the EU (it was originally created under the Treaty of Rome).
Therefore, when we invoke article 50, Euratom is one of the agencies that we automagically leave. As you say, May hasn't suddenly run amok and decided that nukes are evil.
Supremely good typo.
If you mean 'automagically', not a typo, just one of my many idiosyncracies .
In which case it's a good one. Sums it all up very well.
Therefore, when we invoke article 50, Euratom is one of the agencies that we automagically leave. As you say, May hasn't suddenly run amok and decided that nukes are evil.
We are going to see a whole series of eruptions of ill-informed outrage as it sinks in what leaving the EU means, aren't we?
I wonder how many people who are outraged at the UK leaving Euratom have any idea what it does.
It's an AndAnotherThing about Brexit. I've yet to hear of one incontrovertible and concrete benefit to Brexit. I'm not talking about sovereignty and taking control, which are arguable and in any case there are two sides to those coins.
Sovereignty and democracy are not "arguable". We lost them, now we regain them.
We made a sovereign decision to join the EU and another to leave. The principle applies both ways.
Faisal Islam just said amazingly, that there will be many in the UK who support the US policy
Stopping immigration from places where terrorists who want to kill us live? Hardly surprising
Stopping immigration (presumably to London?) from Bradford, Beeston, Jamaica and Leeds?
I can see some problems with that plan.
Well the damage is already done there. But stopping it from the countries that Trump has stopped it from wouldn't be hugely unpopular I don't think, across the whole country
EURATOM seems a strange one to withdraw from, since much of the money comes here iirc to Culham (?)
I would have thought to go for the Associate Membership Swiss style, if full membership could not be retained.
I don't think the government wants to leave, but if our membership is tied to EU membership, which seems to be the case, we have to leave. That will be the case with all sorts of EU run organisations. I guess it has been added to the A50 bill because government lawyers have concluded that we will have to leave Euratom as is and seek some other form of membership. But it is not a sign of the government going wobbly on science or nuclear energy cooperation.
Yes, a lot of the talking to be done in the next couple of years will be around groups like Euratom and EASA (the latter of which I have some experience dealing with). There's probably a couple of dozen of these EUQuangos, for each of which we will have to agree on what we do with as part of the exit process, mostly it will be quite straightforward but it shows how entwined the EU has become in a number of different areas.
@Ed_Miliband: PM's refusal to condemn Trump Muslim ban is shocking, wrong and cannot stand. It flies in the face of the values of people across Britain.
Trump is out of order and I doubt this policy will last long.
Theresa May's response that America has it's policy and UK has ours is the only response most every leader would give.
But those on the left will continue with their fury but I am not sure it will take them far
Bet she is the only leader that gives that response
Nicola is too busy putting up Syrian refugees.....
Faisal Islam just said amazingly, that there will be many in the UK who support the US policy
Stopping immigration from places where terrorists who want to kill us live? Hardly surprising
Stopping immigration (presumably to London?) from Bradford, Beeston, Jamaica and Leeds?
I can see some problems with that plan.
Well the damage is already done there. But stopping it from the countries that Trump has stopped it from wouldn't be hugely unpopular I don't think, across the whole country
You are Danny Dyer who can trace his English heritage back to Edward III and I claim my fiver.
Totally anecdotal, but FWIW the Labour canvassing in my (possibly Stoke-resembling) WWC patch is going very well. I always measure current responses vs previous from the same people (new data is intriguing but unreliable, but comparable data has proved motly a good indication). There are few gains from other parties compared with 2013-15 but also few losses to others, and UKIP support in particular seems to be sliding back to "won't vote". The division is currently LibDem, formerly Labour, with UKIP 3rd last time and Tories 4th (but trying hard this time and gaining some ex-LibDems). http://www.nottinghamshire.gov.uk/election2013/division/eastwood
"I weep for you," the Sturgeon said: "I deeply sympathize." With sobs and tears she sorted out Those of the largest size, Holding her pocket-handkerchief Before her streaming eyes.
@JustinWolfers: If the only we had implemented Trump's immigration ban list a decade ago, we could have prevented exactly 0 acts of Islamic terror in the US
If only we had implemented and widened Trump's ban 30 years ago, we could have prevented:
Hundreds of honour killings 100.000s of FGMs The burqa on British streets A return of widespread anti Semitism Religious mass murder A nationwide epidemic of racist gang rape of underage white girls.
Call me mister Trumpyface, but... hmm.
But, all those things are part of the joy of diversity.
I see that Owen Jones is having a twitter meltdown over May calling her a tyrant. Probably means quite a lot in the UK will agree with her view of things.
Clip of Theresa May says the 'United States is responsible for its policy on refugees, the UK is responsible for its refugees' sounded a good response. No other leader has condemned the US so far.
The Fench and German ministers say it can only 'worry us'
This is going to be a big story but there is no saying that the polarised views will change much
Agreed, the media on both sides of the Atlantic have taken collective leave of their senses.
They don't understand what just happened, and more importantly / worryingly they don't seem to want to try and understand what just happened - except to believe that the people have somehow been brainwashed into voting the 'wrong' way.
Theresa May's response is absolutely the only thing she can say on the subject, no matter how aggressively the liberal media all want to keep asking her the same question over again.
Faisal Islam just said amazingly, that there will be many in the UK who support the US policy
Stopping immigration from places where terrorists who want to kill us live? Hardly surprising
Stopping immigration (presumably to London?) from Bradford, Beeston, Jamaica and Leeds?
I can see some problems with that plan.
Well the damage is already done there. But stopping it from the countries that Trump has stopped it from wouldn't be hugely unpopular I don't think, across the whole country
What's wrong with stopping immigration from violent dysfunctional societies?
@Ed_Miliband: PM's refusal to condemn Trump Muslim ban is shocking, wrong and cannot stand. It flies in the face of the values of people across Britain.
Trump is out of order and I doubt this policy will last long.
Theresa May's response that America has it's policy and UK has ours is the only response most every leader would give.
But those on the left will continue with their fury but I am not sure it will take them far
Bet she is the only leader that gives that response
Nicola is too busy putting up Syrian refugees.....
The ban is wrong when negotiations are underway, Trump has acted in a "reckless and provocative manner" and both sides need to "set aside the rhetoric" and "get around the negotiating table to stop this happening again".
If only someone had predicted, with devastating accuracy, what might happen...
But your hero Enoch was talking about black people. And in that respect he was completely and totally wrong.
No he wasn't talking about black people, he was talking about commonwealth immigrants. Read what he said.
He also said the way to stop the danger was mixed marriages, but the people he talked about wont allow that
Eight years ago in a respectable street in Wolverhampton a house was sold to a Negro. Now only one white (a woman old-age pensioner) lives there. This is her story. She lost her husband and both her sons in the war. So she turned her seven-roomed house, her only asset, into a boarding house. She worked hard and did well, paid off her mortgage and began to put something by for her old age. Then the immigrants moved in. With growing fear, she saw one house after another taken over. The quiet street became a place of noise and confusion. Regretfully, her white tenants moved out.
The day after the last one left, she was awakened at 7am by two Negroes who wanted to use her 'phone to contact their employer. When she refused, as she would have refused any stranger at such an hour, she was abused and feared she would have been attacked but for the chain on her door. Immigrant families have tried to rent rooms in her house, but she always refused. Her little store of money went, and after paying rates, she has less than £2 per week. “She went to apply for a rate reduction and was seen by a young girl, who on hearing she had a seven-roomed house, suggested she should let part of it. When she said the only people she could get were Negroes, the girl said, "Racial prejudice won't get you anywhere in this country." So she went home.
The telephone is her lifeline. Her family pay the bill, and help her out as best they can. Immigrants have offered to buy her house - at a price which the prospective landlord would be able to recover from his tenants in weeks, or at most a few months. She is becoming afraid to go out. Windows are broken. She finds excreta pushed through her letter box. When she goes to the shops, she is followed by children, charming, wide-grinning piccaninnies. They cannot speak English, but one word they know. "Racialist," they chant. When the new Race Relations Bill is passed, this woman is convinced she will go to prison. And is she so wrong? I begin to wonder.”
Faisal Islam just said amazingly, that there will be many in the UK who support the US policy
Stopping immigration from places where terrorists who want to kill us live? Hardly surprising
Stopping immigration (presumably to London?) from Bradford, Beeston, Jamaica and Leeds?
I can see some problems with that plan.
Well the damage is already done there. But stopping it from the countries that Trump has stopped it from wouldn't be hugely unpopular I don't think, across the whole country
What's wrong with stopping immigration from violent dysfunctional societies?
I doubt a lot of people think anything at all is wrong for it, in fact I would say many long for it
Clip of Theresa May says the 'United States is responsible for its policy on refugees, the UK is responsible for its refugees' sounded a good response. No other leader has condemned the US so far.
The Fench and German ministers say it can only 'worry us'
This is going to be a big story but there is no saying that the polarised views will change much
Theresa May's response is absolutely the only thing she can say on the subject, no matter how aggressively the liberal media all want to keep asking her the same question over again.
Not at all!
She should do what Nicola Sturgeon did and personally promise to house refugees in her own home!
Surely May should aim to live up to the glowing example Nicola set?
So Trump has banned immigration from paragons of stability like Iran, Iraq, Libya, Somalia, Sudan and Yemen for 90 days. And that makes him a Nazi?
There are very many reasons to criticise Trump - and I have and will - but this ludicrous hand-wringing just shows how wildly out of touch the existing political and broadcasting establishment are.
In terms of practical administration, this order has shown a mixture of inexperience and ineptness. Lots of rough edges to be smoothed out on this one - wonder whether it will be the high-skilled Silicon Valley techies or the ex-military translators that get exempted first?
In terms of political adroitness, I think that list of countries was absolutely ingenious. Precisely designed so a whole lot of people are going to say "well I'm not sure we do want to be letting in loads of people from these places without being super-careful about it". This isn't the America I wanted to see. I think this policy is bad, I think it is wrong, and I think above all, it won't even work. If this was a pure and honest terror-prevention or anti-radicalisation/counter-extremism issue, there are other countries that ought to make the list (Saudi, anyone?) but would tick off key allies or be economically unpalatable
Yet as a piece of political theatre, as a way of giving the voters "what they wanted" without opting for the frankly fascistic pledge they were offered, as a way of painting one's opponents as on the wrong side and supporting "the wrong people", and with - let's be honest - fairly minimal direct economic cost,* this is a disgusting and brilliant piece of brinkmanship. I expect more to come.
* The damage to American reputation and the concept of the American Dream itself is likely going to be far more costly, in the long-term. But like many things, I'm not sure the long-term is Trump's problem - or a problem he perceives as his, no matter how much of it he owns.
If only someone had predicted, with devastating accuracy, what might happen...
But your hero Enoch was talking about black people. And in that respect he was completely and totally wrong.
No he wasn't talking about black people, he was talking about commonwealth immigrants. Read what he said.
He also said the way to stop the danger was mixed marriages, but the people he talked about wont allow that
Eight years ago in a respectable street in Wolverhampton a house was sold to a Negro. Now only one white (a woman old-age pensioner) lives there. This is her story. She lost her husband and both her sons in the war. So she turned her seven-roomed house, her only asset, into a boarding house. She worked hard and did well, paid off her mortgage and began to put something by for her old age. Then the immigrants moved in. With growing fear, she saw one house after another taken over. The quiet street became a place of noise and confusion. Regretfully, her white tenants moved out.
The day after the last one left, she was awakened at 7am by two Negroes who wanted to use her 'phone to contact their employer. When she refused, as she would have refused any stranger at such an hour, she was abused and feared she would have been attacked but for the chain on her door. Immigrant families have tried to rent rooms in her house, but she always refused. Her little store of money went, and after paying rates, she has less than £2 per week. “She went to apply for a rate reduction and was seen by a young girl, who on hearing she had a seven-roomed house, suggested she should let part of it. When she said the only people she could get were Negroes, the girl said, "Racial prejudice won't get you anywhere in this country." So she went home.
The telephone is her lifeline. Her family pay the bill, and help her out as best they can. Immigrants have offered to buy her house - at a price which the prospective landlord would be able to recover from his tenants in weeks, or at most a few months. She is becoming afraid to go out. Windows are broken. She finds excreta pushed through her letter box. When she goes to the shops, she is followed by children, charming, wide-grinning piccaninnies. They cannot speak English, but one word they know. "Racialist," they chant. When the new Race Relations Bill is passed, this woman is convinced she will go to prison. And is she so wrong? I begin to wonder.”
Yes, that was someone else talking.
Given that I have studied Powell for years, and read that speech hundreds of times, did you really think I would be convinced by you posting that?
Listening to henry rollins a couple of days ago he recalled his account of visiting there and had to flee in the middle of the night simply because it was found he was a "famous" American and they "wanted a word".
Totally anecdotal, but FWIW the Labour canvassing in my (possibly Stoke-resembling) WWC patch is going very well. I always measure current responses vs previous from the same people (new data is intriguing but unreliable, but comparable data has proved motly a good indication). There are few gains from other parties compared with 2013-15 but also few losses to others, and UKIP support in particular seems to be sliding back to "won't vote". The division is currently LibDem, formerly Labour, with UKIP 3rd last time and Tories 4th (but trying hard this time and gaining some ex-LibDems). http://www.nottinghamshire.gov.uk/election2013/division/eastwood
Early days, of course!
Yeh, you thought your election campaign in Brox-something was also going well. We shall see.
@Ed_Miliband: PM's refusal to condemn Trump Muslim ban is shocking, wrong and cannot stand. It flies in the face of the values of people across Britain.
Trump is out of order and I doubt this policy will last long.
Theresa May's response that America has it's policy and UK has ours is the only response most every leader would give.
But those on the left will continue with their fury but I am not sure it will take them far
Bet she is the only leader that gives that response
Doubt it - no one has given any direct crititicism and if they are so annoyed what about sanctions.
Do you think someone is going to stand up to the US over this
@Ed_Miliband: PM's refusal to condemn Trump Muslim ban is shocking, wrong and cannot stand. It flies in the face of the values of people across Britain.
Trump is out of order and I doubt this policy will last long.
Theresa May's response that America has it's policy and UK has ours is the only response most every leader would give.
But those on the left will continue with their fury but I am not sure it will take them far
Bet she is the only leader that gives that response
Nicola is too busy putting up Syrian refugees.....
The ban is wrong when negotiations are underway, Trump has acted in a "reckless and provocative manner" and both sides need to "set aside the rhetoric" and "get around the negotiating table to stop this happening again".
Sorry, how many Syrian refugees has Nicola put up?
Listening to henry rollins a couple of days ago he recalled his account of visiting there and had to flee in the middle of the night simply because it was found he was a "famous" American and they "wanted a word".
Just great. How are the US going to keep tabs on the nuclear developments or lack of if they can't enter the country?
Mr. Topping, nah, the Pope's the chap who responded to the murder of cartoonists for the 'crime' of drawing a 7th century man by saying if someone insulted his mother he'd punch them. Nowhere near as brash as Trump.
Totally anecdotal, but FWIW the Labour canvassing in my (possibly Stoke-resembling) WWC patch is going very well. I always measure current responses vs previous from the same people (new data is intriguing but unreliable, but comparable data has proved motly a good indication). There are few gains from other parties compared with 2013-15 but also few losses to others, and UKIP support in particular seems to be sliding back to "won't vote". The division is currently LibDem, formerly Labour, with UKIP 3rd last time and Tories 4th (but trying hard this time and gaining some ex-LibDems). http://www.nottinghamshire.gov.uk/election2013/division/eastwood
Early days, of course!
Interesting, but I don't think it looks anything like Stoke demographically so not surprising Lib/lab there on 75% compared to 44% in Central.
Listening to henry rollins a couple of days ago he recalled his account of visiting there and had to flee in the middle of the night simply because it was found he was a "famous" American and they "wanted a word".
As a music lover I wish the Revolutionary Guard had got their man.
Clip of Theresa May says the 'United States is responsible for its policy on refugees, the UK is responsible for its refugees' sounded a good response. No other leader has condemned the US so far.
The Fench and German ministers say it can only 'worry us'
This is going to be a big story but there is no saying that the polarised views will change much
Theresa May's response is absolutely the only thing she can say on the subject, no matter how aggressively the liberal media all want to keep asking her the same question over again.
Not at all!
She should do what Nicola Sturgeon did and personally promise to house refugees in her own home!
Surely May should aim to live up to the glowing example Nicola set?
LOL, except of course that Nicola (and that snowflake Yvette) don't have any refugees living in their homes. Funny that, all talk and no action.
Listening to henry rollins a couple of days ago he recalled his account of visiting there and had to flee in the middle of the night simply because it was found he was a "famous" American and they "wanted a word".
As a music lover I wish the Revolutionary Guard had got their man.
Lol...he is actually much more interesting individual post music than when he screamed the house down as lead "singer" of black flag.
So Trump has banned immigration from paragons of stability like Iran, Iraq, Libya, Somalia, Sudan and Yemen for 90 days. And that makes him a Nazi?
There are very many reasons to criticise Trump - and I have and will - but this ludicrous hand-wringing just shows how wildly out of touch the existing political and broadcasting establishment are.
In terms of practical administration, this order has shown a mixture of inexperience and ineptness. Lots of rough edges to be smoothed out on this one - wonder whether it will be the high-skilled Silicon Valley techies or the ex-military translators that get exempted first?
In terms of political adroitness, I think that list of countries was absolutely ingenious. Precisely designed so a whole lot of people are going to say "well I'm not sure we do want to be letting in loads of people from these places without being super-careful about it". This isn't the America I wanted to see. I think this policy is bad, I think it is wrong, and I think above all, it won't even work. If this was a pure and honest terror-prevention or anti-radicalisation/counter-extremism issue, there are other countries that ought to make the list (Saudi, anyone?) but would tick off key allies or be economically unpalatable
Yet as a piece of political theatre, as a way of giving the voters "what they wanted" without opting for the frankly fascistic pledge they were offered, as a way of painting one's opponents as on the wrong side and supporting "the wrong people", and with - let's be honest - fairly minimal direct economic cost,* this is a disgusting and brilliant piece of brinkmanship. I expect more to come.
* The damage to American reputation and the concept of the American Dream itself is likely going to be far more costly, in the long-term. But like many things, I'm not sure the long-term is Trump's problem - or a problem he perceives as his, no matter how much of it he owns.
That seems a pretty fair analysis to me. You might have added that the "countries which ought to have made the list", but didn't, include the ones in which Trump does business.
Reports that passengers are stuck in Cairo and Doha, as airlines try and confirm with US immigration about passengers from countries on the ban list with existing US visas. Not sure if airlines playing safe or various arms of the US govt not communicating the policy change effectively.
Totally anecdotal, but FWIW the Labour canvassing in my (possibly Stoke-resembling) WWC patch is going very well. I always measure current responses vs previous from the same people (new data is intriguing but unreliable, but comparable data has proved motly a good indication). There are few gains from other parties compared with 2013-15 but also few losses to others, and UKIP support in particular seems to be sliding back to "won't vote". The division is currently LibDem, formerly Labour, with UKIP 3rd last time and Tories 4th (but trying hard this time and gaining some ex-LibDems). http://www.nottinghamshire.gov.uk/election2013/division/eastwood
Early days, of course!
Interesting, but I don't think it looks anything like Stoke demographically so not surprising Lib/lab there on 75% compared to 44% in Central.
Listening to henry rollins a couple of days ago he recalled his account of visiting there and had to flee in the middle of the night simply because it was found he was a "famous" American and they "wanted a word".
As a music lover I wish the Revolutionary Guard had got their man.
Lol...he is actually much more interesting individual post music than when he screamed the house down as lead "singer" of black flag.
Rollins' " spoken word " is entered higher in my black book of cultural crimes than his heinous " punk rock " offences.
Jests. That's a killer blow. All those Yanks planning a holiday in the fleshpots of Tehran will be fuming.
This does rather underline the imbalance. Lots of them want to come here. Few of us want to go there.
I didn't think you were from the US. Iran has done the right thing and I hope many other countries follow suit. US embassies should be shut down and US officials required to leave within days.
Trump has banned refugees from the US, and he has promised to "bomb the shit" out of parts of Syria and Iraq, to "blow up every inch", and then "ring" the area he has bombed.
It is clear what fate he plans for those who manage to survive the bombing and who, because everything has been destroyed, will try to flee the area for reasons of food and shelter. Bloodletting will start soon, either there or in the US itself or somewhere else. If there's one thing all fascism is geared towards, it's war.
Before I heard about Iran, I was going to say my money would be on Bolivia as the first country to stand up to the US dictatorship on this.
Mr. F, it's intriguing how embracing diversity doesn't (for some) apply to opinions.
Embracing diversity doesn't generally apply to opinions because those who claim to embrace "diversity" have not examined the word, themselves, or very much else.
They repeat nostrums in the manner of the lay folk of the medieval Catholic church - proud of the ignorance of the philosophy which they allege to espouse. To them, "diversity" is a talismanic word in their religion.
So Trump has banned immigration from paragons of stability like Iran, Iraq, Libya, Somalia, Sudan and Yemen for 90 days. And that makes him a Nazi?
There are very many reasons to criticise Trump - and I have and will - but this ludicrous hand-wringing just shows how wildly out of touch the existing political and broadcasting establishment are.
In terms of practical administration, this order has shown a mixture of inexperience and ineptness. Lots of rough edges to be smoothed out on this one - wonder whether it will be the high-skilled Silicon Valley techies or the ex-military translators that get exempted first?
In terms of political adroitness, I think that list of countries was absolutely ingenious. Precisely designed so a whole lot of people are going to say "well I'm not sure we do want to be letting in loads of people from these places without being super-careful about it". This isn't the America I wanted to see. I think this policy is bad, I think it is wrong, and I think above all, it won't even work. If this was a pure and honest terror-prevention or anti-radicalisation/counter-extremism issue, there are other countries that ought to make the list (Saudi, anyone?) but would tick off key allies or be economically unpalatable
Yet as a piece of political theatre, as a way of giving the voters "what they wanted" without opting for the frankly fascistic pledge they were offered, as a way of painting one's opponents as on the wrong side and supporting "the wrong people", and with - let's be honest - fairly minimal direct economic cost,* this is a disgusting and brilliant piece of brinkmanship. I expect more to come.
* The damage to American reputation and the concept of the American Dream itself is likely going to be far more costly, in the long-term. But like many things, I'm not sure the long-term is Trump's problem - or a problem he perceives as his, no matter how much of it he owns.
That seems a pretty fair analysis to me. You might have added that the "countries which ought to have made the list", but didn't, include the ones in which Trump does business.
The travails of the those on H1B visas will resonate in a ugly way. I've met a number of Americans who had the experience of overseas workers being bought in to be trained in their own jobs, and then go home..
There will be some angry people who are happy at that - and no, I'm not happy about any of this crap.
Jests. That's a killer blow. All those Yanks planning a holiday in the fleshpots of Tehran will be fuming.
This does rather underline the imbalance. Lots of them want to come here. Few of us want to go there.
I didn't think you were from the US. Iran has done the right thing and I hope many other countries follow suit. US embassies should be shut down and US officials required to leave within days.
Trump has banned refugees from the US, and he has promised to "bomb the shit" out of parts of Syria and Iraq, to "blow up every inch", and then "ring" the area he has bombed.
It is clear what fate he plans for those who manage to survive the bombing and who, because everything has been destroyed, will try to flee the area for reasons of food and shelter. Bloodletting will start soon, either there or in the US itself or somewhere else. If there's one thing all fascism is geared towards, it's war.
Before I heard about Iran, I was going to say my money would be on Bolivia as the first country to stand up to the US dictatorship on this.
So you don't think a closed Theocratic dictatorship like Iran is not Fascist? Which shows what a warped mind you have Dromedary. Maybe it's because you're a camel!
Mr. Palmer, do you think (in Stoke) that Labour and UKIP are broadly fishing in the same pool for voters?
I don't know anything about Stoke except for the limited coverage in the press, so it's hard for me to say. In general, I think UKIP appeals to people who once voted Labour but for some time have either abstained or (to a lesser extent) voted Tory. They partially mobilised people who haven't voted for years, as we saw with part of the Leave vote, and an interesting question is whether these will now resume voting or not. I think the remaining Labour vote is quite resistant, though - people who wanted to go UKIP have in fact already gone.
That's why I'll be surprised if they win in Stoke, despite the Tory hint that they're not going to try hard themselves.
Jests. That's a killer blow. All those Yanks planning a holiday in the fleshpots of Tehran will be fuming.
This does rather underline the imbalance. Lots of them want to come here. Few of us want to go there.
I didn't think you were from the US. Iran has done the right thing and I hope many other countries follow suit. US embassies should be shut down and US officials required to leave within days.
Trump has banned refugees from the US, and he has promised to "bomb the shit" out of parts of Syria and Iraq, to "blow up every inch", and then "ring" the area he has bombed.
It is clear what fate he plans for those who manage to survive the bombing and who, because everything has been destroyed, will try to flee the area for reasons of food and shelter. Bloodletting will start soon, either there or in the US itself or somewhere else. If there's one thing all fascism is geared towards, it's war.
Before I heard about Iran, I was going to say my money would be on Bolivia as the first country to stand up to the US dictatorship on this.
So you don't think a closed Theocratic dictatorship like Iran is not Fascist? Which shows what a warped mind you have Dromedary. Maybe it's because you're a camel!
Jests. That's a killer blow. All those Yanks planning a holiday in the fleshpots of Tehran will be fuming.
This does rather underline the imbalance. Lots of them want to come here. Few of us want to go there.
I didn't think you were from the US. Iran has done the right thing and I hope many other countries follow suit. US embassies should be shut down and US officials required to leave within days.
Trump has banned refugees from the US, and he has promised to "bomb the shit" out of parts of Syria and Iraq, to "blow up every inch", and then "ring" the area he has bombed.
It is clear what fate he plans for those who manage to survive the bombing and who, because everything has been destroyed, will try to flee the area for reasons of food and shelter. Bloodletting will start soon, either there or in the US itself or somewhere else. If there's one thing all fascism is geared towards, it's war.
Before I heard about Iran, I was going to say my money would be on Bolivia as the first country to stand up to the US dictatorship on this.
Maybe he'll pay Putin to do the dirty work. Russia is poorer.
This is probably rather worse than 1964 would have been with President Goldwater in charge.
"Is Trump's Muslim ban a hate crime and, if so, shouldn't he be refused entry to U.K.? Answer: ........"
Left to my own devices, I'd have said Trump's actions are silly and pointless, but now the Media are up in arms, I've changed my mind.
The Media are unreservedly condemning it. They're not reporting facts, they're telling you how you should respond. It may be perversity on my part, but my response now is ... "Do it, you fat fraud, just for the effect on the Snowflakes."
Am I alone in getting irritated by being preached at by self-important morons who think they know best? That could explain my dislike of MPs (with few exceptions)
Jests. That's a killer blow. All those Yanks planning a holiday in the fleshpots of Tehran will be fuming.
This does rather underline the imbalance. Lots of them want to come here. Few of us want to go there.
I didn't think you were from the US. Iran has done the right thing and I hope many other countries follow suit. US embassies should be shut down and US officials required to leave within days.
Trump has banned refugees from the US, and he has promised to "bomb the shit" out of parts of Syria and Iraq, to "blow up every inch", and then "ring" the area he has bombed.
It is clear what fate he plans for those who manage to survive the bombing and who, because everything has been destroyed, will try to flee the area for reasons of food and shelter. Bloodletting will start soon, either there or in the US itself or somewhere else. If there's one thing all fascism is geared towards, it's war.
Before I heard about Iran, I was going to say my money would be on Bolivia as the first country to stand up to the US dictatorship on this.
So you don't think a closed Theocratic dictatorship like Iran is not Fascist? Which shows what a warped mind you have Dromedary. Maybe it's because you're a camel!
The Iranian regimes under the Shah and the ayatollahs were fascist. The current one isn't.
If only someone had predicted, with devastating accuracy, what might happen...
But your hero Enoch was talking about black people. And in that respect he was completely and totally wrong.
No he wasn't talking about black people, he was talking about commonwealth immigrants. Read what he said.
He also said the way to stop the danger was mixed marriages, but the people he talked about wont allow that
Eight years ago in a respectable street in Wolverhampton a house was sold to a Negro. Now only one white (a woman old-age pensioner) lives there. This is her story. She lost her husband and both her sons in the war. So she turned her seven-roomed house, her only asset, into a boarding house. She worked hard and did well, paid off her mortgage and began to put something by for her old age. Then the immigrants moved in. With growing fear, she saw one house after another taken over. The quiet street became a place of noise and confusion. Regretfully, her white tenants moved out.
The day after the last one left, she was awakened at 7am by two Negroes who wanted to use her 'phone to contact their employer. When she refused, as she would have refused any stranger at such an hour, she was abused and feared she would have been attacked but for the chain on her door. Immigrant families have tried to rent rooms in her house, but she always refused. Her little store of money went, and after paying rates, she has less than £2 per week. “She went to apply for a rate reduction and was seen by a young girl, who on hearing she had a seven-roomed house, suggested she should let part of it. When she said the only people she could get were Negroes, the girl said, "Racial prejudice won't get you anywhere in this country." So she went home.
The telephone is her lifeline. Her family pay the bill, and help her out as best they can. Immigrants have offered to buy her house - at a price which the prospective landlord would be able to recover from his tenants in weeks, or at most a few months. She is becoming afraid to go out. Windows are broken. She finds excreta pushed through her letter box. When she goes to the shops, she is followed by children, charming, wide-grinning piccaninnies. They cannot speak English, but one word they know. "Racialist," they chant. When the new Race Relations Bill is passed, this woman is convinced she will go to prison. And is she so wrong? I begin to wonder.”
Yes, that was someone else talking.
Given that I have studied Powell for years, and read that speech hundreds of times, did you really think I would be convinced by you posting that?
Clip of Theresa May says the 'United States is responsible for its policy on refugees, the UK is responsible for its refugees' sounded a good response. No other leader has condemned the US so far.
The Fench and German ministers say it can only 'worry us'
This is going to be a big story but there is no saying that the polarised views will change much
Theresa May's response is absolutely the only thing she can say on the subject, no matter how aggressively the liberal media all want to keep asking her the same question over again.
Not at all!
She should do what Nicola Sturgeon did and personally promise to house refugees in her own home!
Surely May should aim to live up to the glowing example Nicola set?
LOL, except of course that Nicola (and that snowflake Yvette) don't have any refugees living in their homes. Funny that, all talk and no action.
LOL, name a lying Tory that has put up one , usual Tory whining all talk and no action. I will not hold my breath awaiting your list.
Therefore, when we invoke article 50, Euratom is one of the agencies that we automagically leave. As you say, May hasn't suddenly run amok and decided that nukes are evil.
We are going to see a whole series of eruptions of ill-informed outrage as it sinks in what leaving the EU means, aren't we?
I wonder how many people who are outraged at the UK leaving Euratom have any idea what it does.
Less than 1 in a 1,000, and the outrage is mostly due to people not understanding why we are leaving, and assuming something else. Of course a more interesting question is why cooperation on nuclear energy matters became entangled with EU membership. It's almost as though the EU has become what we long feared it would.
And is a good sign of how much more difficult Leaving would have been in 10, or 20, or 30 years when the process of federalising forced the issue.
@sarahwollaston: 1. On his forthcoming State visit I don't think Trump should be invited to address both Houses of Parliament from Westminster Hall
@sarahwollaston: 2. Westminster Hall has great significance & should be reserved for leaders who have made an outstanding positive difference in the world
Clip of Theresa May says the 'United States is responsible for its policy on refugees, the UK is responsible for its refugees' sounded a good response. No other leader has condemned the US so far.
The Fench and German ministers say it can only 'worry us'
This is going to be a big story but there is no saying that the polarised views will change much
Theresa May's response is absolutely the only thing she can say on the subject, no matter how aggressively the liberal media all want to keep asking her the same question over again.
Not at all!
She should do what Nicola Sturgeon did and personally promise to house refugees in her own home!
Surely May should aim to live up to the glowing example Nicola set?
LOL, except of course that Nicola (and that snowflake Yvette) don't have any refugees living in their homes. Funny that, all talk and no action.
LOL, name a lying Tory that has put up one , usual Tory whining all talk and no action. I will not hold my breath awaiting your list.
I'm not sure that any went on the record to say that they would to be honest.
It's not the action, it's the hypocrisy of saying in front of the cameras you'll put up a refugee in your own home, yet not following through with actually doing it. They should be called out on the virtue signalling hypocracy every single time.
For anyone wondering (doubtful, I know), I don't quite take Mr. CD13's stance.
The executive order is ill-conceived and clearly unfair. It's a sledgehammer to crack a nut, and even for those wanting a strict curb on incoming foreigners, preventing those with green cards from returning smacks of injustice.
However, the media's bed-wetting excitement at having something to attack Trump over (again) does them little credit. The broad thrust of the policy is something quite a lot of people will support. Once again, a metropolitan over-reaction will probably backfire.
Jests. That's a killer blow. All those Yanks planning a holiday in the fleshpots of Tehran will be fuming.
This does rather underline the imbalance. Lots of them want to come here. Few of us want to go there.
I didn't think you were from the US. Iran has done the right thing and I hope many other countries follow suit. US embassies should be shut down and US officials required to leave within days.
Trump has banned refugees from the US, and he has promised to "bomb the shit" out of parts of Syria and Iraq, to "blow up every inch", and then "ring" the area he has bombed.
It is clear what fate he plans for those who manage to survive the bombing and who, because everything has been destroyed, will try to flee the area for reasons of food and shelter. Bloodletting will start soon, either there or in the US itself or somewhere else. If there's one thing all fascism is geared towards, it's war.
Before I heard about Iran, I was going to say my money would be on Bolivia as the first country to stand up to the US dictatorship on this.
So you don't think a closed Theocratic dictatorship like Iran is not Fascist? Which shows what a warped mind you have Dromedary. Maybe it's because you're a camel!
The Iranian regimes under the Shah and the ayatollahs were fascist. The current one isn't.
Try standing in Tehran and supporting Jews and Israel. Your fate would be the same as in pre war Germany..
And is a good sign of how much more difficult Leaving would have been in 10, or 20, or 30 years when the process of federalising forced the issue.
If there is one good thing about the shock that we are leaving the single market, and the shock that we are leaving the customs union, and the shock that we are leaving Euratom, and the many more shocks that will follow, it's this, they show how deeply and broadly integrated the EU already is. Maybe this will help to open a few eyes.
And yeah however hard to leave the EU is now it would only be worse if we put it off.
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As do gamblers who bet on you as next Labour leader at 200/1.
In any event, the likelihood of Trump doing anything to reduce the excessive incarceration rate in the US is pretty slim.
https://order-order.com/2017/01/28/corbyn-snell-run-questions-hamas/
I would have thought to go for the Associate Membership Swiss style, if full membership could not be retained.
But EU membership does *not* always come as a package .. there are anomalies everywhere and it is just believed that it comes as a package, which introduces a poisonous creeping inflexibilty.
Which is why we were exactly right to leave - it is an irreformable pig in a poke.
Had to laugh though that some people discussing it looked around to see who was in ear shot before speaking.
Free speech eh?
https://www.scotsman.com/news/politics/nicola-sturgeon-happy-to-give-refugees-a-home-1-3879126/amp
If we had the American Church of the Creator funding (to the tune of 100s of millions) preachers in this country, proclaiming that Hindus are cow worshipping %^& who deserve to be killed, demanding bans on Darwin, etc what would be the reaction from the progressive regressives?
Apparently cutting off such funding would be a red-line for the Saudis - which should tell you something about it.
http://www.conservativewoman.co.uk/leave-dying-church-england-urges-former-queens-chaplain/
Defender of the faith ends up resigning for defending the faith.
He also said the way to stop the danger was mixed marriages, but the people he talked about wont allow that
There are very many reasons to criticise Trump - and I have and will - but this ludicrous hand-wringing just shows how wildly out of touch the existing political and broadcasting establishment are.
I can see some problems with that plan.
This is a bit like those horror stories about hackers facing 100,000,000 years in jail just because they hacked (and damaged) government systems in the US. The actual sentences handed out tend to be *lower* than those in the UK, for hacking. To get the high score you'd need to do something like Die Hard 4.
Mr. T, quite. The salami-slicing, frog-boiling bureaucratic takeover is a prime reason to leave.
Anyone would think the Nats didn't know the answer....
https://twitter.com/sturdyAlex/status/825390436458123269
Harlan Hill
What is wrong with these people? Selfies in a holocaust memorial? https://t.co/jMjkbc7AH6
Early days, of course!
"I deeply sympathize."
With sobs and tears she sorted out
Those of the largest size,
Holding her pocket-handkerchief
Before her streaming eyes.
They don't understand what just happened, and more importantly / worryingly they don't seem to want to try and understand what just happened - except to believe that the people have somehow been brainwashed into voting the 'wrong' way.
Theresa May's response is absolutely the only thing she can say on the subject, no matter how aggressively the liberal media all want to keep asking her the same question over again.
The day after the last one left, she was awakened at 7am by two Negroes who wanted to use her 'phone to contact their employer. When she refused, as she would have refused any stranger at such an hour, she was abused and feared she would have been attacked but for the chain on her door. Immigrant families have tried to rent rooms in her house, but she always refused. Her little store of money went, and after paying rates, she has less than £2 per week. “She went to apply for a rate reduction and was seen by a young girl, who on hearing she had a seven-roomed house, suggested she should let part of it. When she said the only people she could get were Negroes, the girl said, "Racial prejudice won't get you anywhere in this country." So she went home.
The telephone is her lifeline. Her family pay the bill, and help her out as best they can. Immigrants have offered to buy her house - at a price which the prospective landlord would be able to recover from his tenants in weeks, or at most a few months. She is becoming afraid to go out. Windows are broken. She finds excreta pushed through her letter box. When she goes to the shops, she is followed by children, charming, wide-grinning piccaninnies. They cannot speak English, but one word they know. "Racialist," they chant. When the new Race Relations Bill is passed, this woman is convinced she will go to prison. And is she so wrong? I begin to wonder.”
Mr. Abode, seeing some twittery today about the 'unelected' PM. *sighs*
That's why I generally avoid political stuff on Twitter. Speaking of which, I wrote a smidgen about Milo and Clodius, and political violence. http://thaddeusthesixth.blogspot.co.uk/2017/01/milo-and-clodius.html
Mr. F, it's intriguing how embracing diversity doesn't (for some) apply to opinions.
https://twitter.com/lbcbreaking/status/825392511883603968
Wall √
Muslims √
Refugees √
Borders √
This is what his voters voted for and wanted. I'm not saying that it will end well, but here is a President keeping his word, for what it's worth.
She should do what Nicola Sturgeon did and personally promise to house refugees in her own home!
Surely May should aim to live up to the glowing example Nicola set?
Who knew?
In terms of political adroitness, I think that list of countries was absolutely ingenious. Precisely designed so a whole lot of people are going to say "well I'm not sure we do want to be letting in loads of people from these places without being super-careful about it". This isn't the America I wanted to see. I think this policy is bad, I think it is wrong, and I think above all, it won't even work. If this was a pure and honest terror-prevention or anti-radicalisation/counter-extremism issue, there are other countries that ought to make the list (Saudi, anyone?) but would tick off key allies or be economically unpalatable
Yet as a piece of political theatre, as a way of giving the voters "what they wanted" without opting for the frankly fascistic pledge they were offered, as a way of painting one's opponents as on the wrong side and supporting "the wrong people", and with - let's be honest - fairly minimal direct economic cost,* this is a disgusting and brilliant piece of brinkmanship. I expect more to come.
* The damage to American reputation and the concept of the American Dream itself is likely going to be far more costly, in the long-term. But like many things, I'm not sure the long-term is Trump's problem - or a problem he perceives as his, no matter how much of it he owns.
Given that I have studied Powell for years, and read that speech hundreds of times, did you really think I would be convinced by you posting that?
Who the fuck is he? The pope?
Do you think someone is going to stand up to the US over this
Ten?
Nine?
Eight?
Seven?
Six?
Five?
Four?
Three?
Two?
One?
ZERO?
http://www.thenational.ae/world/americas/trump-muslim-decree-sparks-chaos-with-travellers-blocked-in-qatar-and-cairo
"Bless us and Splash us, My Precious".
In Russian, presumably...
Trump has banned refugees from the US, and he has promised to "bomb the shit" out of parts of Syria and Iraq, to "blow up every inch", and then "ring" the area he has bombed.
It is clear what fate he plans for those who manage to survive the bombing and who, because everything has been destroyed, will try to flee the area for reasons of food and shelter. Bloodletting will start soon, either there or in the US itself or somewhere else. If there's one thing all fascism is geared towards, it's war.
Before I heard about Iran, I was going to say my money would be on Bolivia as the first country to stand up to the US dictatorship on this.
They repeat nostrums in the manner of the lay folk of the medieval Catholic church - proud of the ignorance of the philosophy which they allege to espouse. To them, "diversity" is a talismanic word in their religion.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/01/28/might-have-distinguishing-characteristics-happened-theresa/
There will be some angry people who are happy at that - and no, I'm not happy about any of this crap.
That's why I'll be surprised if they win in Stoke, despite the Tory hint that they're not going to try hard themselves.
This is probably rather worse than 1964 would have been with President Goldwater in charge.
"Is Trump's Muslim ban a hate crime and, if so, shouldn't he be refused entry to U.K.? Answer: ........"
Left to my own devices, I'd have said Trump's actions are silly and pointless, but now the Media are up in arms, I've changed my mind.
The Media are unreservedly condemning it. They're not reporting facts, they're telling you how you should respond. It may be perversity on my part, but my response now is ... "Do it, you fat fraud, just for the effect on the Snowflakes."
Am I alone in getting irritated by being preached at by self-important morons who think they know best? That could explain my dislike of MPs (with few exceptions)
@sarahwollaston: 2. Westminster Hall has great significance & should be reserved for leaders who have made an outstanding positive difference in the world
@sarahwollaston: 3. That doesn't include Mr Trump.
@sarahwollaston: 4. Those who wish to fawn over him should be free to do so in the Royal Gallery as normal. Not Westminster Hall thanks
@sarahwollaston: 5. Not really a story was it
@sarahwollaston: 6.Trump really is a sickening piece of work. That's the story
*I realise, having finished this post, that may sound a bit, er, misleading.
It's not the action, it's the hypocrisy of saying in front of the cameras you'll put up a refugee in your own home, yet not following through with actually doing it. They should be called out on the virtue signalling hypocracy every single time.
https://twitter.com/jeremycorbyn/status/825410025803878401
The executive order is ill-conceived and clearly unfair. It's a sledgehammer to crack a nut, and even for those wanting a strict curb on incoming foreigners, preventing those with green cards from returning smacks of injustice.
However, the media's bed-wetting excitement at having something to attack Trump over (again) does them little credit. The broad thrust of the policy is something quite a lot of people will support. Once again, a metropolitan over-reaction will probably backfire.
And yeah however hard to leave the EU is now it would only be worse if we put it off.