I think the reaction to today's events has wrong footed the MSM who expected total condemnation but in reality the condemnation has been mute and I have been surprised how this has more support then I expected.
The left of course have pressed the outrage button but not sure how much mileage there is for them
If you do not think it is outrageous that people who have made their homes in America, who have paid taxes there, who have friends and family there, and who have committed no crimes there are being denied re-entry simply because of where they were born then I respectfully submit you have a slightly skewed moral compass. I would hope and expect it is not only lefties that have a problem with what Trump has done.
There must be millions of disappointed Americans cancelling their stag do’s in Tehran…
I suspect the Iranian government's move is not designed to discomfit Americans. Instead, it is about building support in the middle east as a defender of moslems. Trump is a gift to the mullahs at a time when their authority may have been weakening. Moving the US embassy to Jerusalem will further reinforce hardliners, as will cancelling the nuclear deal. Over in the US, they'll be fine with it. Europe can probably expect a new wave of refugees over the coming months.
Which is why his attitude to Saudi will be critical.
Which he why he gave the go-ahead for two new oil pipelines last week.
One imagines the US attitude to Saudi will change overnight, the minute the US becomes properly self-sufficient in fossil fuels. It's also why the UK and other O&G importers need to get fracking yesterday.
He's not doing joined up thinking, mind.
If he was, he wouldn't be dismantling the incentives for renewable energy - all of which have a much greater impact on US self-sufficiency than Keystone XL.
To be fair I think he'd rather see the limited Federal cash available go into road and rail infrastructure, rather than renewable fuels.
There must be millions of disappointed Americans cancelling their stag do’s in Tehran…
I suspect the Iranian government's move is not designed to discomfit Americans. Instead, it is about building support in the middle east as a defender of moslems. Trump is a gift to the mullahs at a time when their authority may have been weakening. Moving the US embassy to Jerusalem will further reinforce hardliners, as will cancelling the nuclear deal. Over in the US, they'll be fine with it. Europe can probably expect a new wave of refugees over the coming months.
Which is why his attitude to Saudi will be critical.
Which he why he gave the go-ahead for two new oil pipelines last week.
One imagines the US attitude to Saudi will change overnight, the minute the US becomes properly self-sufficient in fossil fuels. It's also why the UK and other O&G importers need to get fracking yesterday.
I think I've said this before, but the crowd who are desperately hungry for peace to reign in the Middle East and the Western powers to butt out of the joint (which means either sacrificing strategic interests - or deciding that the Middle East is actually not so strategically important at all, and not worth the blood and treasure we've persisted at pouring into it for decades) has a very large intersection with the crowd who'd rather we were deeply strategically and economically dependent on their main export (okay, to be fair, they'd rather we drove cars powered by solar, lived in homes heated by the wind, and flew - if at all - in biodegradable aeroplanes fuelled by virginal mermaid fart) rather than for the West to seek energy self-sufficiency.
In 15-30 years' time, the economics are going to favour renewables far more than is the case today. During the transition, though, I know where I'd rather my petrodollars went. And I think the world would be, on balance, a better place for it. Even the Middle East might be poorer but less bloody.
Yes - I've had conversations with progressive types who are appalled that when we stop needing oil, we will stop giving money to countries who used to have oil. Apparently we should still send the money or something.
Do you have any published source for such a ridiculous anecdote?
I agree with Mike. Labour should be favorite for both by-elections. Tories only workingCopeland. UKI without Farage struggle. But Labour can lose it because of their own stupidity.
Hmm, while not agreeing I can understand Trump having the right to ban visa holders and even LPR holders (greencards). I suspect banning US citizens who are dual nationals from coming in is definitely unconstitutional.
That's not what this means - as Mr Meeks has correctly understood, this is talking about dual nationals of e.g. Iraq and Britain. U.S. citizens are not affected.
How would they know that someone travelling on a British passport also had an Iranian one?
As a matter of interest, has any Shi-ite been involved in terrorism in a western country? Surely it is the Sunnis and Wahabbis from KSA that need scrutiny.
Well, there was that little hiccup in Argentina...
A couple of years ago it seems they launched a suicide bomb attack within the EU, if that counts as "western" enough for you!
There must be millions of disappointed Americans cancelling their stag do’s in Tehran…
I suspect the Iranian government's move is not designed to discomfit Americans. Instead, it is about building support in the middle east as a defender of moslems. Trump is a gift to the mullahs at a time when their authority may have been weakening. Moving the US embassy to Jerusalem will further reinforce hardliners, as will cancelling the nuclear deal. Over in the US, they'll be fine with it. Europe can probably expect a new wave of refugees over the coming months.
Which is why his attitude to Saudi will be critical.
Which he why he gave the go-ahead for two new oil pipelines last week.
One imagines the US attitude to Saudi will change overnight, the minute the US becomes properly self-sufficient in fossil fuels. It's also why the UK and other O&G importers need to get fracking yesterday.
He's not doing joined up thinking, mind.
If he was, he wouldn't be dismantling the incentives for renewable energy - all of which have a much greater impact on US self-sufficiency than Keystone XL.
To be fair I think he'd rather see the limited Federal cash available go into road and rail infrastructure, rather than renewable fuels.
I think the reaction to today's events has wrong footed the MSM who expected total condemnation but in reality the condemnation has been mute and I have been surprised how this has more support then I expected.
The left of course have pressed the outrage button but not sure how much mileage there is for them
If you do not think it is outrageous that people who have made their homes in America, who have paid taxes there, who have friends and family there, and who have committed no crimes there are being denied re-entry simply because of where they were born then I respectfully submit you have a slightly skewed moral compass. I would hope and expect it is not only lefties that have a problem with what Trump has done.
Well said SO .Big G seems to have a moral duty to support trump because of partisan support for May.
I think the reaction to today's events has wrong footed the MSM who expected total condemnation but in reality the condemnation has been mute and I have been surprised how this has more support then I expected.
The left of course have pressed the outrage button but not sure how much mileage there is for them
If you do not think it is outrageous that people who have made their homes in America, who have paid taxes there, who have friends and family there, and who have committed no crimes there are being denied re-entry simply because of where they were born then I respectfully submit you have a slightly skewed moral compass. I would hope and expect it is not only lefties that have a problem with what Trump has done.
Well said SO .Big G seems to have a moral duty to support trump because of partisan support for May.
I think the reaction to today's events has wrong footed the MSM who expected total condemnation but in reality the condemnation has been mute and I have been surprised how this has more support then I expected.
The left of course have pressed the outrage button but not sure how much mileage there is for them
If you do not think it is outrageous that people who have made their homes in America, who have paid taxes there, who have friends and family there, and who have committed no crimes there are being denied re-entry simply because of where they were born then I respectfully submit you have a slightly skewed moral compass. I would hope and expect it is not only lefties that have a problem with what Trump has done.
Well said SO .Big G seems to have a moral duty to support trump because of partisan support for May.
There must be millions of disappointed Americans cancelling their stag do’s in Tehran…
I suspect the Iranian government's move is not designed to discomfit Americans. Instead, it is about building support in the middle east as a defender of moslems. Trump is a gift to the mullahs at a time when their authority may have been weakening. Moving the US embassy to Jerusalem will further reinforce hardliners, as will cancelling the nuclear deal. Over in the US, they'll be fine with it. Europe can probably expect a new wave of refugees over the coming months.
Which is why his attitude to Saudi will be critical.
Which he why he gave the go-ahead for two new oil pipelines last week.
One imagines the US attitude to Saudi will change overnight, the minute the US becomes properly self-sufficient in fossil fuels. It's also why the UK and other O&G importers need to get fracking yesterday.
:
In 15-30 years' time, the economics are going to favour renewables far more than is the case today. During the transition, though, I know where I'd rather my petrodollars went. And I think the world would be, on balance, a better place for it. Even the Middle East might be poorer but less bloody.
Yes - I've had conversations with progressive types who are appalled that when we stop needing oil, we will stop giving money to countries who used to have oil. Apparently we should still send the money or something.
Do you have any published source for such a ridiculous anecdote?
As I said - people I've spoken with. I think they were a bit shocked by my happiness at a future state of affairs where, instead of us giving large sums of money to countries run by demented fools, we don't. The environmental thing is a bonus.
As I understand the thinking involved - since their societies are entirely dependent on oil, we can't stop giving them money, since they would collapse.
Jesus. That's a killer blow. All those Yanks planning a holiday in the fleshpots of Tehran will be fuming.
This does rather underline the imbalance. Lots of them want to come here. Few of us want to go there.
Iran is very much on my to do list. The Persian archeology and sites are supposed to be wonderful, and the mountains near the Caspian glorious.
The stonings to death put me off but each to his own.
I have visited plenty of countries with repellent regimes in my time. The people are distinct from their governments.
Travelling in such places and hearing the stories is one reason that I value European culture so highly.
True, the ghastly prison system, numerous state executions and the psychotic relationship with firearms never put me off visiting the USA.
America is in 3rd place in the capital punishment table, after China and Iran. I think only in the USA is capital punishment permissable for crimes commited as a juvenile.
Travelling in such places does require some ethical dilemmas, I always try to spend my money at ground level, rather than in places run by governmrnts and their cronies. Sometimes it is impossible though, such as the fee to get into the incredible complex of Pagan in Burma.
If only someone had predicted, with devastating accuracy, what might happen...
But your hero Enoch was talking about black people. And in that respect he was completely and totally wrong.
No he wasn't talking about black people, he was talking about commonwealth immigrants. Read what he said.
He also said the way to stop the danger was mixed marriages, but the people he talked about wont allow that
Eight years ago in a respectable street in Wolverhampton a house was sold to a Negro. Now only one white (a woman old-age pensioner) lives there. This is her story. She lost her husband and both her sons in the war. So she turned her seven-roomed house, her only asset, into a boarding house. She worked hard and did well, paid off her mortgage and began to put something by for her old age. Then the immigrants moved in. With growing fear, she saw one house after another taken over. The quiet street became a place of noise and confusion. Regretfully, her white tenants moved out.
The telephone is her lifeline. Her family pay the bill, and help her out as best they can. Immigrants have offered to buy her house - at a price which the prospective landlord would be able to recover from his tenants in weeks, or at most a few months. She is becoming afraid to go out. Windows are broken. She finds excreta pushed through her letter box. When she goes to the shops, she is followed by children, charming, wide-grinning piccaninnies. They cannot speak English, but one word they know. "Racialist," they chant. When the new Race Relations Bill is passed, this woman is convinced she will go to prison. And is she so wrong? I begin to wonder.”
I guess some black people or "negros" are from the Commonwealth.......
I think Powell wasn't to exact in his language. During the period in question virtually all "negros" in Wolverhampton would have been West Indian. When I lived there (in his old constituency) the only non-English speakers were Punjabi Sikhs.
I happen to think that Black people have assimilated pretty well in England, the number of people of mixed heritage is evidence of that. But if we were going to be picky, Lee Rigby's murderers...
There must be millions of disappointed Americans cancelling their stag do’s in Tehran…
I suspect the Iranian government's move is not designed to discomfit Americans. Instead, it is about building support in the middle east as a defender of moslems. Trump is a gift to the mullahs at a time when their authority may have been weakening. Moving the US embassy to Jerusalem will further reinforce hardliners, as will cancelling the nuclear deal. Over in the US, they'll be fine with it. Europe can probably expect a new wave of refugees over the coming months.
Which is why his attitude to Saudi will be critical.
Which he why he gave the go-ahead for two new oil pipelines last week.
One imagines the US attitude to Saudi will change overnight, the minute the US becomes properly self-sufficient in fossil fuels. It's also why the UK and other O&G importers need to get fracking yesterday.
:
In 15-30 years' time, the economics are going to favour renewables far more than is the case today. During the transition, though, I know where I'd rather my petrodollars went. And I think the world would be, on balance, a better place for it. Even the Middle East might be poorer but less bloody.
Yes - I've had conversations with progressive types who are appalled that when we stop needing oil, we will stop giving money to countries who used to have oil. Apparently we should still send the money or something.
Do you have any published source for such a ridiculous anecdote?
As I said - people I've spoken with. I think they were a bit shocked by my happiness at a future state of affairs where, instead of us giving large sums of money to countries run by demented fools, we don't. The environmental thing is a bonus.
As I understand the thinking involved - since their societies are entirely dependent on oil, we can't stop giving them money, since they would collapse.
I have never heard anyone say such a thing, you must travel in some very strange circles.
If only someone had predicted, with devastating accuracy, what might happen...
But your hero Enoch was talking about black people. And in that respect he was completely and totally wrong.
No he wasn't talking about black people, he was talking about commonwealth immigrants. Read what he said.
He also said the way to stop the danger was mixed marriages, but the people he talked about wont allow that
Eight years ago in a respectable street in Wolverhampton a house was sold to a Negro. Now only one white (a woman old-age pensioner) lives there. This is her story. She lost her husband and both her sons in the war. So she turned her seven-roomed house, her only asset, into a boarding house. She worked hard and did well, paid off her mortgage and began to put something by for her old age. Then the immigrants moved in. With growing fear, she saw one house after another taken over. The quiet street became a place of noise and confusion. Regretfully, her white tenants moved out.
The telephone is her lifeline. Her family pay the bill, and help her out as best they can. Immigrants have offered to buy her house - at a price which the prospective landlord would be able to recover from his tenants in weeks, or at most a few months. She is becoming afraid to go out. Windows are broken. She finds excreta pushed through her letter box. When she goes to the shops, she is followed by children, charming, wide-grinning piccaninnies. They cannot speak English, but one word they know. "Racialist," they chant. When the new Race Relations Bill is passed, this woman is convinced she will go to prison. And is she so wrong? I begin to wonder.”
I guess some black people or "negros" are from the Commonwealth.......
I think Powell wasn't to exact in his language. During the period in question virtually all "negros" in Wolverhampton would have been West Indian. When I lived there (in his old constituency) the only non-English speakers were Punjabi Sikhs.
I happen to think that Black people have assimilated pretty well in England, the number of people of mixed heritage is evidence of that. But if we were going to be picky, Lee Rigby's murderers...
If only someone had predicted, with devastating accuracy, what might happen...
But your hero Enoch was talking about black people. And in that respect he was completely and totally wrong.
No he wasn't talking about black people, he was talking about commonwealth immigrants. Read what he said.
He also said the way to stop the danger was mixed marriages, but the people he talked about wont allow that
Eight years ago in a respectable street in Wolverhampton a house was sold to a Negro. Now only one white (a woman old-age pensioner) lives there. This is her story. She lost her husband and both her sons in the war. So she turned her seven-roomed house, her only asset, into a boarding house. She worked hard and did well, paid off her mortgage and began to put something by for her old age. Then the immigrants moved in. With growing fear, she saw one house after another taken over. The quiet street became a place of noise and confusion. Regretfully, her white tenants moved out.
The telephone is her lifeline. Her family pay the bill, and help her out as best they can. Immigrants have offered to buy her house - at a price which the prospective landlord would be able to recover from his tenants in weeks, or at most a few months. She is becoming afraid to go out. Windows are broken. She finds excreta pushed through her letter box. When she goes to the shops, she is followed by children, charming, wide-grinning piccaninnies. They cannot speak English, but one word they know. "Racialist," they chant. When the new Race Relations Bill is passed, this woman is convinced she will go to prison. And is she so wrong? I begin to wonder.”
I guess some black people or "negros" are from the Commonwealth.......
I think Powell wasn't to exact in his language. During the period in question virtually all "negros" in Wolverhampton would have been West Indian. When I lived there (in his old constituency) the only non-English speakers were Punjabi Sikhs.
I happen to think that Black people have assimilated pretty well in England, the number of people of mixed heritage is evidence of that. But if we were going to be picky, Lee Rigby's murderers...
If only someone had predicted, with devastating accuracy, what might happen...
But your hero Enoch was talking about black people. And in that respect he was completely and totally wrong.
No he wasn't talking about black people, he was talking about commonwealth immigrants. Read what he said.
He also said the way to stop the danger was mixed marriages, but the people he talked about wont allow that
Eight years ago in a respectable street in Wolverhampton a house was sold to a Negro. Now only one white (a woman old-age pensioner) lives there. This is her story. She lost her husband and both her sons in the war. So she turned her seven-roomed house, her only asset, into a boarding house. She worked hard and did well, paid off her mortgage and began to put something by for her old age. Then the immigrants moved in. With growing fear, she saw one house after another taken over. The quiet street became a place of noise and confusion. Regretfully, her white tenants moved out.
The telephone is her lifeline. Her family pay the bill, and help her out as best they can. Immigrants have offered to buy her house - at a price which the prospective landlord would be able to recover from his tenants in weeks, or at most a few months. She is becoming afraid to go out. Windows are broken. She finds excreta pushed through her letter box. When she goes to the shops, she is followed by children, charming, wide-grinning piccaninnies. They cannot speak English, but one word they know. "Racialist," they chant. When the new Race Relations Bill is passed, this woman is convinced she will go to prison. And is she so wrong? I begin to wonder.”
I guess some black people or "negros" are from the Commonwealth.......
I think Powell wasn't to exact in his language. During the period in question virtually all "negros" in Wolverhampton would have been West Indian. When I lived there (in his old constituency) the only non-English speakers were Punjabi Sikhs.
I happen to think that Black people have assimilated pretty well in England, the number of people of mixed heritage is evidence of that. But if we were going to be picky, Lee Rigby's murderers...
The Rigby murderers were both Christians by upbringing, but became Muslims after sliding into crime.
Indeed far more terrorists seem to have become radicalised in prisons than anywhere else in our country. Spending a bit on sorting this out would probably do much more for our safety than increasing red tape at borders.
If only someone had predicted, with devastating accuracy, what might happen...
But your hero Enoch was talking about black people. And in that respect he was completely and totally wrong.
No he wasn't talking about black people, he was talking about commonwealth immigrants. Read what he said.
He also said the way to stop the danger was mixed marriages, but the people he talked about wont allow that
Eight years ago in a respectable street in Wolverhampton a house was sold to a Negro. Now only one white (a woman old-age pensioner) lives there. This is her story. She lost her husband and both her sons in the war. So she turned her seven-roomed house, her only asset, into a boarding house. She worked hard and did well, paid off her mortgage and began to put something by for her old age. Then the immigrants moved in. With growing fear, she saw one house after another taken over. The quiet street became a place of noise and confusion. Regretfully, her white tenants moved out.
The telephone is her lifeline. Her family pay the bill, and help her out as best they can. Immigrants have offered to buy her house - at a price which the prospective landlord would be able to recover from his tenants in weeks, or at most a few months. She is becoming afraid to go out. Windows are broken. She finds excreta pushed through her letter box. When she goes to the shops, she is followed by children, charming, wide-grinning piccaninnies. They cannot speak English, but one word they know. "Racialist," they chant. When the new Race Relations Bill is passed, this woman is convinced she will go to prison. And is she so wrong? I begin to wonder.”
I guess some black people or "negros" are from the Commonwealth.......
I think Powell wasn't to exact in his language. During the period in question virtually all "negros" in Wolverhampton would have been West Indian. When I lived there (in his old constituency) the only non-English speakers were Punjabi Sikhs.
I happen to think that Black people have assimilated pretty well in England, the number of people of mixed heritage is evidence of that. But if we were going to be picky, Lee Rigby's murderers...
Thats the thing. 10 or twenty years ago people were not saying black have assimilated. The opposite infact.
If only someone had predicted, with devastating accuracy, what might happen...
But your hero Enoch was talking about black people. And in that respect he was completely and totally wrong.
No he wasn't talking about black people, he was talking about commonwealth immigrants. Read what he said.
He also said the way to stop the danger was mixed marriages, but the people he talked about wont allow that
Eight years ago in a respectable street in Wolverhampton a house was sold to a Negro. Now only one white (a woman old-age pensioner) lives there. This is her story. She lost her husband and both her sons in the war. So she turned her seven-roomed house, her only asset, into a boarding house. She worked hard and did well, paid off her mortgage and began to put something by for her old age. Then the immigrants moved in. With growing fear, she saw one house after another taken over. The quiet street became a place of noise and confusion. Regretfully, her white tenants moved out. :begin to wonder.”
I guess some black people or "negros" are from the Commonwealth.......
I think Powell wasn't to exact in his language. During the period in question virtually all "negros" in Wolverhampton would have been West Indian. When I lived there (in his old constituency) the only non-English speakers were Punjabi Sikhs.
I happen to think that Black people have assimilated pretty well in England, the number of people of mixed heritage is evidence of that. But if we were going to be picky, Lee Rigby's murderers...
The Rigby murderers were both Christians by upbringing, but became Muslims after sliding into crime.
Indeed far more terrorists seem to have become radicalised in prisons than anywhere else in our country. Spending a bit on sorting this out would probably do much more for our safety than increasing red tape at borders.
And guess where the radicalising preachers in the prisons get funded from?
I think the reaction to today's events has wrong footed the MSM who expected total condemnation but in reality the condemnation has been mute and I have been surprised how this has more support then I expected.
The left of course have pressed the outrage button but not sure how much mileage there is for them
Sorry to disagree with you Big_G. This is a big mistake from Trump. It's aimed at his base (Look! I'm getting tough on immigration), but he's taken a huge sledgehammer to crack a nut. Stupid and counterproductive - and I don't normally climb on the outrage bus.
I agree with you but there does seem to be more support than I would have expected. Personally I am amazed and disturbed by these happenings and am concerned how this is going to play out
I think the reaction to today's events has wrong footed the MSM who expected total condemnation but in reality the condemnation has been mute and I have been surprised how this has more support then I expected.
The left of course have pressed the outrage button but not sure how much mileage there is for them
Sorry to disagree with you Big_G. This is a big mistake from Trump. It's aimed at his base (Look! I'm getting tough on immigration), but he's taken a huge sledgehammer to crack a nut. Stupid and counterproductive - and I don't normally climb on the outrage bus.
I agree with you but there does seem to be more support than I would have expected. Personally I am amazed and disturbed by these happenings and am concerned how this is going to play out
Who is supporting it outside the right-wing fake news bubble?
Hmm, while not agreeing I can understand Trump having the right to ban visa holders and even LPR holders (greencards). I suspect banning US citizens who are dual nationals from coming in is definitely unconstitutional.
That's not what this means - as Mr Meeks has correctly understood, this is talking about dual nationals of e.g. Iraq and Britain. U.S. citizens are not affected.
How would they know that someone travelling on a British passport also had an Iranian one?
As a matter of interest, has any Shi-ite been involved in terrorism in a western country? Surely it is the Sunnis and Wahabbis from KSA that need scrutiny.
Well, there was that little hiccup in Argentina...
A couple of years ago it seems they launched a suicide bomb attack within the EU, if that counts as "western" enough for you!
If only someone had predicted, with devastating accuracy, what might happen...
But your hero Enoch was talking about black people. And in that respect he was completely and totally wrong.
No he wasn't talking about black people, he was talking about commonwealth immigrants. Read what he said.
He also said the way to stop the danger was mixed marriages, but the people he talked about wont allow that
Eight years ago in a respectable street in Wolverhampton a house was sold to a Negro. Now only one white (a woman old-age pensioner) lives there. This is her story. She lost her husband and both her sons in the war. So she turned her seven-roomed house, her only asset, into a boarding house. She worked hard and did well, paid off her mortgage and began to put something by for her old age. Then the immigrants moved in. With growing fear, she saw one house after another taken over. The quiet street became a place of noise and confusion. Regretfully, her white tenants moved out.
The telephone is her lifeline. Her family pay the bill, and help her out as best they can. Immigrants have offered to buy her house - at a price which the prospective landlord would be able to recover from his tenants in weeks, or at most a few months. She is becoming afraid to go out. Windows are broken. She finds excreta pushed through her letter box. When she goes to the shops, she is followed by children, charming, wide-grinning piccaninnies. They cannot speak English, but one word they know. "Racialist," they chant. When the new Race Relations Bill is passed, this woman is convinced she will go to prison. And is she so wrong? I begin to wonder.”
I guess some black people or "negros" are from the Commonwealth.......
I think Powell wasn't to exact in his language. During the period in question virtually all "negros" in Wolverhampton would have been West Indian. When I lived there (in his old constituency) the only non-English speakers were Punjabi Sikhs.
I happen to think that Black people have assimilated pretty well in England, the number of people of mixed heritage is evidence of that. But if we were going to be picky, Lee Rigby's murderers...
If only someone had predicted, with devastating accuracy, what might happen...
But your hero Enoch was talking about black people. And in that respect he was completely and totally wrong.
No he wasn't talking about black people, he was talking about commonwealth immigrants. Read what he said.
He also said the way to stop the danger was mixed marriages, but the people he talked about wont allow that
Eight years ago in a respectable street in Wolverhampton a house was sold to a Negro. Now only one white (a woman old-age pensioner) lives there. This is her story. She lost her husband and both her sons in the war. So she turned her seven-roomed house, her only asset, into a boarding house. She worked hard and did well, paid off her mortgage and began to put something by for her old age. Then the immigrants moved in. With growing fear, she saw one house after another taken over. The quiet street became a place of noise and confusion. Regretfully, her white tenants moved out. :begin to wonder.”
I guess some black people or "negros" are from the Commonwealth.......
I think Powell wasn't to exact in his language. During the period in question virtually all "negros" in Wolverhampton would have been West Indian. When I lived there (in his old constituency) the only non-English speakers were Punjabi Sikhs.
I happen to think that Black people have assimilated pretty well in England, the number of people of mixed heritage is evidence of that. But if we were going to be picky, Lee Rigby's murderers...
The Rigby murderers were both Christians by upbringing, but became Muslims after sliding into crime.
Indeed far more terrorists seem to have become radicalised in prisons than anywhere else in our country. Spending a bit on sorting this out would probably do much more for our safety than increasing red tape at borders.
And guess where the radicalising preachers in the prisons get funded from?
Saudi? notable for its close relations with our own government as well as Trumpistan.
If only someone had predicted, with devastating accuracy, what might happen...
But your hero Enoch was talking about black people. And in that respect he was completely and totally wrong.
No he wasn't talking about black people, he was talking about commonwealth immigrants. Read what he said.
He also said the way to stop the danger was mixed marriages, but the people he talked about wont allow that
Eight years ago in a respectable street in Wolverhampton a house was sold to a Negro. Now only one white (a woman old-age pensioner) lives there. This is her story. She lost her husband and both her sons in the war. So she turned her seven-roomed house, her only asset, into a boarding house. She worked hard and did well, paid off her mortgage and began to put something by for her old age. Then the immigrants moved in. With growing fear, she saw one house after another taken over. The quiet street became a place of noise and confusion. Regretfully, her white tenants moved out.
The telephone is her lifeline. Her family pay the bill, and help her out as best they can. Immigrants have offered to buy her house - at a price which the prospective landlord would be able to recover from his tenants in weeks, or at most a few months. She is becoming afraid to go out. Windows are broken. She finds excreta pushed through her letter box. When she goes to the shops, she is followed by children, charming, wide-grinning piccaninnies. They cannot speak English, but one word they know. "Racialist," they chant. When the new Race Relations Bill is passed, this woman is convinced she will go to prison. And is she so wrong? I begin to wonder.”
I guess some black people or "negros" are from the Commonwealth.......
I think Powell wasn't to exact in his language. During the period in question virtually all "negros" in Wolverhampton would have been West Indian. When I lived there (in his old constituency) the only non-English speakers were Punjabi Sikhs.
I happen to think that Black people have assimilated pretty well in England, the number of people of mixed heritage is evidence of that. But if we were going to be picky, Lee Rigby's murderers...
Thats the thing. 10 or twenty years ago people were not saying black have assimilated. The opposite infact.
Well we don't have to wonder, it is not subjective, we can compare the number of babies born to mixed parents of all kinds and we will have proof of who assimilates and who doesnt
There must be millions of disappointed Americans cancelling their stag do’s in Tehran…
I suspect the Iranian government's move is not designed to discomfit Americans. Instead, it is about building support in the middle east as a defender of moslems. Trump is a gift to the mullahs at a time when their authority may have been weakening. Moving the US embassy to Jerusalem will further reinforce hardliners, as will cancelling the nuclear deal. Over in the US, they'll be fine with it. Europe can probably expect a new wave of refugees over the coming months.
Which is why his attitude to Saudi will be critical.
Which he why he gave the go-ahead for two new oil pipelines last week.
One imagines the US attitude to Saudi will change overnight, the minute the US becomes properly self-sufficient in fossil fuels. It's also why the UK and other O&G importers need to get fracking yesterday.
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Yes - I've had conversations with progressive types who are appalled that when we stop needing oil, we will stop giving money to countries who used to have oil. Apparently we should still send the money or something.
Do you have any published source for such a ridiculous anecdote?
As I said - people I've spoken with. I think they were a bit shocked by my happiness at a future state of affairs where, instead of us giving large sums of money to countries run by demented fools, we don't. The environmental thing is a bonus.
As I understand the thinking involved - since their societies are entirely dependent on oil, we can't stop giving them money, since they would collapse.
I have never heard anyone say such a thing, you must travel in some very strange circles.
Chat to some Corbynites - some of them are such fun. The weird twisted bigotries some "intellectuals" invent... it's like looking a really ugly vine. To such people the problem with the scenario above is that a First World country (us) would end up improving it's position vs a Second World country or two.
File this one away for when countries start banning oil imports for fuel (the plastics industry will be on oil for a while yet) - figure within 20 years. You will hear such people then...
The world is more interesting when you talk to people you normally wouldn't.
I think the reaction to today's events has wrong footed the MSM who expected total condemnation but in reality the condemnation has been mute and I have been surprised how this has more support then I expected.
The left of course have pressed the outrage button but not sure how much mileage there is for them
Sorry to disagree with you Big_G. This is a big mistake from Trump. It's aimed at his base (Look! I'm getting tough on immigration), but he's taken a huge sledgehammer to crack a nut. Stupid and counterproductive - and I don't normally climb on the outrage bus.
I agree with you but there does seem to be more support than I would have expected. Personally I am amazed and disturbed by these happenings and am concerned how this is going to play out
And to other posters previously commenting that I support Trump because I support Theresa May.
Let me make this clear I am very disturbed by Trump's action but also defend May on her response as it is exactly the response other leaders would make. I have not heard any leader anywhere condemn Trump and that includes Merkel and Hollande
As far as MSM is concerned it was Faisal Islam who suggested that Trump's action would find support in the UK
Trump is a complete tube but he is also POTUS and we have to deal with that reality. May seems to have done that quite well and that is her job as UK PM.
I remember a court case many years ago when the advocate I was instructing turned around and said of a more than averagely eccentric sheriff, "the tide of madness turns our way" . That is what we need to achieve. To get what we want out of this ego centric idiot who can help or hinder us depending on what delusions are uppermost at any one time.
I think the reaction to today's events has wrong footed the MSM who expected total condemnation but in reality the condemnation has been mute and I have been surprised how this has more support then I expected.
The left of course have pressed the outrage button but not sure how much mileage there is for them
Sorry to disagree with you Big_G. This is a big mistake from Trump. It's aimed at his base (Look! I'm getting tough on immigration), but he's taken a huge sledgehammer to crack a nut. Stupid and counterproductive - and I don't normally climb on the outrage bus.
I agree with you but there does seem to be more support than I would have expected. Personally I am amazed and disturbed by these happenings and am concerned how this is going to play out
Who is supporting it outside the right-wing fake news bubble?
According to the Yougov daily poll 33% would approve such a policy here vs 36% against, with the remainder ambivalent.
If only someone had predicted, with devastating accuracy, what might happen...
But your hero Enoch was talking about black people. And in that respect he was completely and totally wrong.
No he wasn't talking about black people, he was talking about commonwealth immigrants. Read what he said.
He also said the way to stop the danger was mixed marriages, but the people he talked about wont allow that
Eight years ago in a respectable street in Wolverhampton a house was sold to a Negro. Now only one white (a woman old-age pensioner) lives there. This is her story. She lost her husband and both her sons in the war. So she turned her seven-roomed house, her only asset, into a boarding house. She worked hard and did well, paid off her mortgage and began to put something by for her old age. Then the immigrants moved in. With growing fear, she saw one house after another taken over. The quiet street became a place of noise and confusion. Regretfully, her white tenants moved out.
The telephone is her lifeline. Her family pay the bill, and help her out as best they can. Immigrants have offerw Race Relations Bill is passed, this woman is convinced she will go to prison. And is she so wrong? I begin to wonder.”
I guess some black people or "negros" are from the Commonwealth.......
I think Powell wasn't to exact in his language. During the period in question virtually all "negros" in Wolverhampton would have been West Indian. When I lived there (in his old constituency) the only non-English speakers were Punjabi Sikhs.
I happen to think that Black people have assimilated pretty well in England, the number of people of mixed heritage is evidence of that. But if we were going to be picky, Lee Rigby's murderers...
Thats the thing. 10 or twenty years ago people were not saying black have assimilated. The opposite infact.
Well we don't have to wonder, it is not subjective, we can compare the number of babies born to mixed parents of all kinds and we will have proof of who assimilates and who doesnt
At a guess, I would think White people intermarry the most, followed by Black people, followed by East Asians, followed by South Asians and Middle Easterners.
If only someone had predicted, with devastating accuracy, what might happen...
But your hero Enoch was talking about black people. And in that respect he was completely and totally wrong.
No he wasn't talking about black people, he was talking about commonwealth immigrants. Read what he said.
He also said the way to stop the danger was mixed marriages, but the people he talked about wont allow that
Eight years ago in a respectable street in Wolverhampton a house was sold to a Negro. Now only one white (a woman old-age pensioner) lives there. This is her story. She lost her husband and both her sons in the war. So she turned her seven-roomed house, her only asset, into a boarding house. She worked hard and did well, paid off her mortgage and began to put something by for her old age. Then the immigrants moved in. With growing fear, she saw one house after another taken over. The quiet street became a place of noise and confusion. Regretfully, her white tenants moved out.
The telephone is her lifeline. Her family pay the bill, and help her out as best they can. Immigrants have offered to buy her house - at a price which the prospective landlord would be able to recover from his tenants in weeks, or at most a few months. She is becoming afraid to go out. Windows are broken. She finds excreta pushed through her letter box. When she goes to the shops, she is followed by children, charming, wide-grinning piccaninnies. They cannot speak English, but one word they know. "Racialist," they chant. When the new Race Relations Bill is passed, this woman is convinced she will go to prison. And is she so wrong? I begin to wonder.”
I guess some black people or "negros" are from the Commonwealth.......
I think Powell wasn't to exact in his language. During the period in question virtually all "negros" in Wolverhampton would have been West Indian. When I lived there (in his old constituency) the only non-English speakers were Punjabi Sikhs.
I happen to think that Black people have assimilated pretty well in England, the number of people of mixed heritage is evidence of that. But if we were going to be picky, Lee Rigby's murderers...
Thats the thing. 10 or twenty years ago people were not saying black have assimilated. The opposite infact.
Well we don't have to wonder, it is not subjective, we can compare the number of babies born to mixed parents of all kinds and we will have proof of who assimilates and who doesnt
I think the reaction to today's events has wrong footed the MSM who expected total condemnation but in reality the condemnation has been mute and I have been surprised how this has more support then I expected.
The left of course have pressed the outrage button but not sure how much mileage there is for them
If you do not think it is outrageous that people who have made their homes in America, who have paid taxes there, who have friends and family there, and who have committed no crimes there are being denied re-entry simply because of where they were born then I respectfully submit you have a slightly skewed moral compass. I would hope and expect it is not only lefties that have a problem with what Trump has done.
Well said SO .Big G seems to have a moral duty to support trump because of partisan support for May.
I think the reaction to today's events has wrong footed the MSM who expected total condemnation but in reality the condemnation has been mute and I have been surprised how this has more support then I expected.
The left of course have pressed the outrage button but not sure how much mileage there is for them
If you do not think it is outrageous that people who have made their homes in America, who have paid taxes there, who have friends and family there, and who have committed no crimes there are being denied re-entry simply because of where they were born then I respectfully submit you have a slightly skewed moral compass. I would hope and expect it is not only lefties that have a problem with what Trump has done.
Well said SO .Big G seems to have a moral duty to support trump because of partisan support for May.
Indeed. Post of the week.
Dumbest post of the week, surely? I think someone famously said something to the effect that the test of intelligence is the ability to have in mind two apparently contradictory ideas at the same time. Disturbingly many posters seem to think that one must believe either that Trump is a demented creep with funny hair and very small hands, or that Trump is POTUS. In fact both propositions are true, and May has only done what any PM would have done in her place by virtue of his being POTUS. It is not the case, although it's hard to believe this from some of the posts on here, that there is a Manichaean sort of setup in the USA with a good POTUS and an evil POTUS and that May has aligned herself with the evil POTUS. That was kind of the case last year, but as of November 8 the superposed possibilities have collapsed into Trump.
If only someone had predicted, with devastating accuracy, what might happen...
But your hero Enoch was talking about black people. And in that respect he was completely and totally wrong.
No he wasn't talking about black people, he was talking about commonwealth immigrants. Read what he said.
He also said the way to stop the danger was mixed marriages, but the people he talked about wont allow that
Eight years ago in a respectable street in Wolverhampton a house was sold to a Negro. Now only one white (a woman old-age pensioner) lives there. This is her story. She lost her husband and both her sons in the war. So she turned her seven-roomed house, her only asset, into a boarding house. She worked hard and did well, paid off her mortgage and began to put something by for her old age. Then the immigrants moved in. With growing fear, she saw one house after another taken over. The quiet street became a place of noise and confusion. Regretfully, her white tenants moved out.
The telephone is her lifeline. Her family pay the bill, and help her out as best they can. Immigrants have offered to buy her house - at a price which the prospective landlord would be able to recover from his tenants in weeks, or at most a few months. She is becoming afraid to go out. Windows are broken. She finds excreta pushed through her letter box. When she goes to the shops, she is followed by children, charming, wide-grinning piccaninnies. They cannot speak English, but one word they know. "Racialist," they chant. When the new Race Relations Bill is passed, this woman is convinced she will go to prison. And is she so wrong? I begin to wonder.”
I guess some black people or "negros" are from the Commonwealth.......
I think Powell wasn't to exact in his language. During
I happen to think that Black people have assimilated pretty well in England, the number of people of mixed heritage is evidence of that. But if we were going to be picky, Lee Rigby's murderers...
Thats the thing. 10 or twenty years ago people were not saying black have assimilated. The opposite infact.
Well we don't have to wonder, it is not subjective, we can compare the number of babies born to mixed parents of all kinds and we will have proof of who assimilates and who doesnt
So you're only assimilated if you are at least part-white? That's fairly offensive.
@JustinTrudeau: To those fleeing persecution, terror & war, Canadians will welcome you, regardless of your faith. Diversity is our strength #WelcomeToCanada
If only someone had predicted, with devastating accuracy, what might happen...
But your hero Enoch was talking about black people. And in that respect he was completely and totally wrong.
No he wasn't talking about black people, he was talking about commonwealth immigrants. Read what he said.
He also said the way to stop the danger was mixed marriages, but the people he talked about wont allow that
Eight years ago in a respectable street in Wolverhampton a house was sold to a Negro. Now only one white (a woman old-age pensioner) lives there. This is her story. She lost her husband and both her sons in the war. So she turned her seven-roomed house, her only asset, into a boarding house. She worked hard and did well, paid off her mortgage and began to put something by for her old age. Then the immigrants moved in. With growing fear, she saw one house after another taken over. The quiet street became a place of noise and confusion. Regretfully, her white tenants moved out.
The telephone is her lifeline. Her family pay the bill, and help her out as best they can. Immigrants have offered to buy her house - at a price which the prospective landlord would be able to recover from his tenants in weeks, or at most a few months. She is becoming afraid to go out. Windows are broken. She finds excreta pushed through her letter box. When she goes to the shops, she is followed by children, charming, wide-grinning piccaninnies. They cannot speak English, but one word they know. "Racialist," they chant. When the new Race Relations Bill is passed, this woman is convinced she will go to prison. And is she so wrong? I begin to wonder.”
I guess some black people or "negros" are from the Commonwealth.......
I think Powell wasn't to exact in his language. During
I happen to think that Black people have assimilated pretty well in England, the number of people of mixed heritage is evidence of that. But if we were going to be picky, Lee Rigby's murderers...
Thats the thing. 10 or twenty years ago people were not saying black have assimilated. The opposite infact.
Well we don't have to wonder, it is not subjective, we can compare the number of babies born to mixed parents of all kinds and we will have proof of who assimilates and who doesnt
So you're only assimilated if you are at least part-white? That's fairly offensive.
"For I speak to you not just as Prime Minister of the United Kingdom, but as a fellow Conservative who believes in the same principles that underpin the agenda of your party."
Theresa May to the republican party 26/1/17
Standing shoulder to shoulder with a white nationalist as he bans our citizens with dual nationality from entering the US?
Hmm, while not agreeing I can understand Trump having the right to ban visa holders and even LPR holders (greencards). I suspect banning US citizens who are dual nationals from coming in is definitely unconstitutional.
That's not what this means - as Mr Meeks has correctly understood, this is talking about dual nationals of e.g. Iraq and Britain. U.S. citizens are not affected.
How would they know that someone travelling on a British passport also had an Iranian one?
As a matter of interest, has any Shi-ite been involved in terrorism in a western country? Surely it is the Sunnis and Wahabbis from KSA that need scrutiny.
Well, there was that little hiccup in Argentina...
A couple of years ago it seems they launched a suicide bomb attack within the EU, if that counts as "western" enough for you!
Incidentally, the main suspects were Canadian and Australian, countries that the PB League of Empire Loyalists are keen to have free movement with.
Hezbollah were very unhappy about being designated (or at least their military wing) a terrorist org by the EU. I don't know nearly enough about the situation to decide whether that is a sufficient reason for them to choose "plausible deniability" or whether, in fact, they'd never have risked it. But when they killed 85 people in Argentina, they didn't claim that either. (Assuming it was them.)
If only someone had predicted, with devastating accuracy, what might happen...
But your hero Enoch was talking about black people. And in that respect he was completely and totally wrong.
No he wasn't talking about black people, he was talking about commonwealth immigrants. Read what he said.
He also said the way to stop the danger was mixed marriages, but the people he talked about wont allow that
Eight years ago in a respectable street in Wolverhampton a house was sold to a Negro. Now only one white (a woman old-age pensioner) lives there. This is her
is convinced she will go to prison. And is she so wrong? I begin to wonder.”
I guess some black people or "negros" are from the Commonwealth.......
I think Powell wasn't to exact in his language. During
I happen to think that Black people have assimilated pretty well in England, the number of people of mixed heritage is evidence of that. But if we were going to be picky, Lee Rigby's murderers...
Thats the thing. 10 or twenty years ago people were not saying black have assimilated. The opposite infact.
Well we don't have to wonder, it is not subjective, we can compare the number of babies born to mixed parents of all kinds and we will have proof of who assimilates and who doesnt
So you're only assimilated if you are at least part-white? That's fairly offensive.
Be offended then. It's quite a tangible guide, I didn't say it was the only way. Plenty of Jews are white, but some people (generally in an attempt to defend muslims) point out areas of non assimilated Jews.
If only someone had predicted, with devastating accuracy, what might happen...
But your hero Enoch was talking about black people. And in that respect he was completely and totally wrong.
No he wasn't talking about black people, he was talking about commonwealth immigrants. Read what he said.
He also said the way to stop the danger was mixed marriages, but the people he talked about wont allow that
I guess some black people or "negros" are from the Commonwealth.......
I think Powell wasn't to exact in his language. During the period in question virtually all "negros" in Wolverhampton would have been West Indian. When I lived there (in his old constituency) the only non-English speakers were Punjabi Sikhs.
I happen to think that Black people have assimilated pretty well in England, the number of people of mixed heritage is evidence of that. But if we were going to be picky, Lee Rigby's murderers...
Thats the thing. 10 or twenty years ago people were not saying black have assimilated. The opposite infact.
Well we don't have to wonder, it is not subjective, we can compare the number of babies born to mixed parents of all kinds and we will have proof of who assimilates and who doesnt
At a guess, I would think White people intermarry the most, followed by Black people, followed by East Asians, followed by South Asians and Middle Easterners.
Nope. Whites (as in 'pure' whites) are the least likely to intermarry. The next most reluctant are the various peoples of the sub-continent. Chinese are positively promiscuous about inter-marriage.
There must be millions of disappointed Americans cancelling their stag do’s in Tehran…
I suspect
Which is why his attitude to Saudi will be critical.
Which he why he gave the go-ahead for two new oil pipelines last week.
One imagines the US attitude to Saudi will change overnight, the minute the US becomes properly self-sufficient in fossil fuels. It's also why the UK and other O&G importers need to get fracking yesterday.
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Yes - I've had conversations with progressive types who are appalled that when we stop needing oil, we will stop giving money to countries who used to have oil. Apparently we should still send the money or something.
Do you have any published source for such a ridiculous anecdote?
As I said - people I've spoken with. I think they were a bit shocked by my happiness at a future state of affairs where, instead of us giving large sums of money to countries run by demented fools, we don't. The environmental thing is a bonus.
As I understand the thinking involved - since their societies are entirely dependent on oil, we can't stop giving them money, since they would collapse.
I have never heard anyone say such a thing, you must travel in some very strange circles.
Chat to some Corbynites - some of them are such fun. The weird twisted bigotries some "intellectuals" invent... it's like looking a really ugly vine. To such people the problem with the scenario above is that a First World country (us) would end up improving it's position vs a Second World country or two.
File this one away for when countries start banning oil imports for fuel (the plastics industry will be on oil for a while yet) - figure within 20 years. You will hear such people then...
The world is more interesting when you talk to people you normally wouldn't.
I talk to people from all walks of life, in one of the most multicultural cities in the world, and have never heard such rot.
Surely you must have tweets or blog posts that would support your anecdotes?
I think the reaction to today's events has wrong footed the MSM who expected total condemnation but in reality the condemnation has been mute and I have been surprised how this has more support then I expected.
The left of course have pressed the outrage button but not sure how much mileage there is for them
Sorry to disagree with you Big_G. This is a big mistake from Trump. It's aimed at his base (Look! I'm getting tough on immigration), but he's taken a huge sledgehammer to crack a nut. Stupid and counterproductive - and I don't normally climb on the outrage bus.
I agree with you but there does seem to be more support than I would have expected. Personally I am amazed and disturbed by these happenings and am concerned how this is going to play out
Who is supporting it outside the right-wing fake news bubble?
According to the Yougov daily poll 33% would approve such a policy here vs 36% against, with the remainder ambivalent.
By that it would indicate 20 million in UK could support it - seems very high, have I made a mistake
The BBC is one company that may have a problem with Trumps new visa requirements, many of their news teams are composed of crews in which the majority are muslims. No wonder news casters are foaming at the mouth as they mention Trumps actions.
@sundersays: Did UK govt ever say that East Germany's policy on a Berlin wall to prevent its own citizens leaving was a matter for East Germany? Why not?
@sundersays: Did UK govt ever say that East Germany's policy on a Berlin wall to prevent its own citizens leaving was a matter for East Germany? Why not?
@sundersays: Did UK govt ever say that East Germany's policy on a Berlin wall to prevent its own citizens leaving was a matter for East Germany? Why not?
If Trump was detaining UK citizens and preventing them from going back home I think (hope) the FCO would be saying a little more!
There must be millions of disappointed Americans cancelling their stag do’s in Tehran…
I suspect
Which is why his attitude to Saudi will be critical.
Which he why he gave the go-ahead for two new oil pipelines last week.
One imagines the US attitude to Saudi will change overnight, the minute the US becomes properly self-sufficient in fossil fuels. It's also why the UK and other O&G importers need to get fracking yesterday.
: :
Yes - I've had conversations with progressive types who are appalled that when we stop needing oil, we will stop giving money to countries who used to have oil. Apparently we should still send the money or something.
Do you have any published source for such a ridiculous anecdote?
As I said - people I've spoken with. I think they were a bit shocked by my happiness at a future state of affairs where, instead of us giving large sums of money to countries run by demented fools, we don't. The environmental thing is a bonus.
As I understand the thinking involved - since their societies are entirely dependent on oil, we can't stop giving them money, since they would collapse.
I have never heard anyone say such a thing, you must travel in some very strange circles.
Chat to some Corbynites - some of them are such fun. The weird twisted bigotries some "intellectuals" invent... it's like looking a really ugly vine. To such people the problem with the scenario above is that a First World country (us) would end up improving it's position vs a Second World country or two.
File this one away for when countries start banning oil imports for fuel (the plastics industry will be on oil for a while yet) - figure within 20 years. You will hear such people then...
The world is more interesting when you talk to people you normally wouldn't.
I talk to people from all walks of life, in one of the most multicultural cities in the world, and have never heard such rot.
Surely you must have tweets or blog posts that would support your anecdotes?
"rot" - that people believe that the duty of the First World is to supply money to various countries? You are easily surprised.
@sundersays: Did UK govt ever say that East Germany's policy on a Berlin wall to prevent its own citizens leaving was a matter for East Germany? Why not?
lol, I love it when these people who are completely ignorant of history post this kind of thing. We spent a lot of blood and treasure trying to bring down the Sovs and their WP buddies. We didn't just stand about remonstrating with them and making banners.
@JustinTrudeau: To those fleeing persecution, terror & war, Canadians will welcome you, regardless of your faith. Diversity is our strength #WelcomeToCanada
Surely this is arrant tosh. There are several million refugees from Syria in camps in surrounding countries. Does he mean that if they can get shipped to Canada, they'll just take the lot? All those in Greece and Italy too? Am I missing something?
If Trump is to come a cropper, this I think is how it will happen. Even Trump supporters respect the constitution more than the man?
I'd argue that the US Constitution applies only to the citizens of the United States (wherever they are) and to the territory (however defined) of the United States. It does not cover treatment of non-US citizens outside US territory.
If only someone had predicted, with devastating accuracy, what might happen...
But your hero Enoch was talking about black people. And in that respect he was completely and totally wrong.
No he wasn't talking about black people, he was talking about commonwealth immigrants. Read what he said.
He also said the way to stop the danger was mixed marriages, but the people he talked about wont allow that
I guess some black people or "negros" are from the Commonwealth.......
I think Powell wasn't to exact in his language. During the period in question virtually all "negros" in Wolverhampton would have been West Indian. When I lived there (in his old constituency) the only non-English speakers were Punjabi Sikhs.
I happen to think that Black people have assimilated pretty well in England, the number of people of mixed heritage is evidence of that. But if we were going to be picky, Lee Rigby's murderers...
Thats the thing. 10 or twenty years ago people were not saying black have assimilated. The opposite infact.
Well we don't have to wonder, it is not subjective, we can compare the number of babies born to mixed parents of all kinds and we will have proof of who assimilates and who doesnt
At a guess, I would think White people intermarry the most, followed by Black people, followed by East Asians, followed by South Asians and Middle Easterners.
Nope. Whites (as in 'pure' whites) are the least likely to intermarry. The next most reluctant are the various peoples of the sub-continent. Chinese are positively promiscuous about inter-marriage.
Of all people in inter-ethnic relationships, 4 in 10 (40%) included someone who was White British - the most common being between Other White and White British (16%)
If only someone had predicted, with devastating accuracy, what might happen...
But your hero Enoch was talking about black people. And in that respect he was completely and totally wrong.
No he wasn't talking about black people, he was talking about commonwealth immigrants. Read what he said.
He also said the way to stop the danger was mixed marriages, but the people he talked about wont allow that
I guess some black people or "negros" are from the Commonwealth.......
I think Powell wasn't to exact in his language. During the period in question virtually all "negros" in Wolverhampton would have been West Indian. When I lived there (in his old constituency) the only non-English speakers were Punjabi Sikhs.
I happen to think that Black people have assimilated pretty well in England, the number of people of mixed heritage is evidence of that. But if we were going to be picky, Lee Rigby's murderers...
Thats the thing. 10 or twenty years ago people were not saying black have assimilated. The opposite infact.
Well we don't have to wonder, it is not subjective, we can compare the number of babies born to mixed parents of all kinds and we will have proof of who assimilates and who doesnt
At a guess, I would think White people intermarry the most, followed by Black people, followed by East Asians, followed by South Asians and Middle Easterners.
Nope. Whites (as in 'pure' whites) are the least likely to intermarry. The next most reluctant are the various peoples of the sub-continent. Chinese are positively promiscuous about inter-marriage.
If only someone had predicted, with devastating accuracy, what might happen...
But your hero Enoch was talking about black people. And in that respect he was completely and totally wrong.
No he wasn't talking about black people, he was talking about commonwealth immigrants. Read what he said.
He also said the way to stop the danger was mixed marriages, but the people he talked about wont allow that
I guess some black people or "negros" are from the Commonwealth.......
I think Powell wasn't to exact in his language. During the period in question virtually all "negros" in Wolverhampton would have been West Indian. When I lived there (in his old constituency) the only non-English speakers were Punjabi Sikhs.
I happen to think that Black people have assimilated pretty well in England, the number of people of mixed heritage is evidence of that. But if we were going to be picky, Lee Rigby's murderers...
Thats the thing. 10 or twenty years ago people were not saying black have assimilated. The opposite infact.
Well we don't have to wonder, it is not subjective, we can compare the number of babies born to mixed parents of all kinds and we will have proof of who assimilates and who doesnt
At a guess, I would think White people intermarry the most, followed by Black people, followed by East Asians, followed by South Asians and Middle Easterners.
Nope. Whites (as in 'pure' whites) are the least likely to intermarry. The next most reluctant are the various peoples of the sub-continent. Chinese are positively promiscuous about inter-marriage.
Of all people in inter-ethnic relationships, 4 in 10 (40%) included someone who was White British - the most common being between Other White and White British (16%)
Further up Sunil, further up:
"• White British (4%) were least likely to be in inter-ethnic relationships, followed by Bangladeshi (7%), Pakistani (9%) and Indian (12%) ethnic groups."
I think the reaction to today's events has wrong footed the MSM who expected total condemnation but in reality the condemnation has been mute and I have been surprised how this has more support then I expected.
The left of course have pressed the outrage button but not sure how much mileage there is for them
Sorry to disagree with you Big_G. This is a big mistake from Trump. It's aimed at his base (Look! I'm getting tough on immigration), but he's taken a huge sledgehammer to crack a nut. Stupid and counterproductive - and I don't normally climb on the outrage bus.
I agree with you but there does seem to be more support than I would have expected. Personally I am amazed and disturbed by these happenings and am concerned how this is going to play out
Who is supporting it outside the right-wing fake news bubble?
According to the Yougov daily poll 33% would approve such a policy here vs 36% against, with the remainder ambivalent.
By that it would indicate 20 million in UK could support it - seems very high, have I made a mistake
No. It's also true that had Hitler invaded the UK in 1940 most of it's population would have co-operated with the nazis, just as those of the Channel Islands did. As for the Jews, there would have been willing helpers in that genocide.
I'd argue that the US Constitution applies only to the citizens of the United States (wherever they are) and to the territory (however defined) of the United States. It does not cover treatment of non-US citizens outside US territory.
Surely it applies to those who travelled to the US to become citizens, right?
Has Trump gone back of any of his pledges yet? Only one I can think of is Clinton.
@JustinTrudeau: To those fleeing persecution, terror & war, Canadians will welcome you, regardless of your faith. Diversity is our strength #WelcomeToCanada
If Trump is to come a cropper, this I think is how it will happen. Even Trump supporters respect the constitution more than the man?
I'd argue that the US Constitution applies only to the citizens of the United States (wherever they are) and to the territory (however defined) of the United States. It does not cover treatment of non-US citizens outside US territory.
Incidentally, am I right in thinking that legally (in the States) the Moon is US territory?
@JustinTrudeau: To those fleeing persecution, terror & war, Canadians will welcome you, regardless of your faith. Diversity is our strength #WelcomeToCanada
Surely this is arrant tosh. There are several million refugees from Syria in camps in surrounding countries. Does he mean that if they can get shipped to Canada, they'll just take the lot? All those in Greece and Italy too? Am I missing something?
My son married a Canadian in June 2015 and it took to September 2016 for him to be accepted into Canada from New Zealand. Are they going to suspend their paperwork and process.
Trudeau like Corbyn is playing to his gallery but it is not going to happen
I'd argue that the US Constitution applies only to the citizens of the United States (wherever they are) and to the territory (however defined) of the United States. It does not cover treatment of non-US citizens outside US territory.
Surely it applies to those who travelled to the US to become citizens, right?
If only someone had predicted, with devastating accuracy, what might happen...
But your hero Enoch was talking about black people. And in that respect he was completely and totally wrong.
No he wasn't talking about black people, he was talking about commonwealth immigrants. Read what he said.
He also said the way to stop the danger was mixed marriages, but the people he talked about wont allow that
I guess some black people or "negros" are from the Commonwealth.......
I think Powell wasn't to exact in his language. During the period in question virtually all "negros" in Wolverhampton would have been West Indian. When I lived there (in his old constituency) the only non-English speakers were Punjabi Sikhs.
I happen to think that Black people have assimilated pretty well in England, the number of people of mixed heritage is evidence of that. But if we were going to be picky, Lee Rigby's murderers...
Thats the thing. 10 or twenty years ago people were not saying black have assimilated. The opposite infact.
Well we don't have to wonder, it is not subjective, we can compare the number of babies born to mixed parents of all kinds and we will have proof of who assimilates and who doesnt
At a guess, I would think White people intermarry the most, followed by Black people, followed by East Asians, followed by South Asians and Middle Easterners.
Nope. Whites (as in 'pure' whites) are the least likely to intermarry. The next most reluctant are the various peoples of the sub-continent. Chinese are positively promiscuous about inter-marriage.
Of all people in inter-ethnic relationships, 4 in 10 (40%) included someone who was White British - the most common being between Other White and White British (16%)
Further up Sunil, further up:
"• White British (4%) were least likely to be in inter-ethnic relationships, followed by Bangladeshi (7%), Pakistani (9%) and Indian (12%) ethnic groups."
Hence my 'pure'.
Of all people in inter-ethnic relationships, 4 in 10 (40%) included someone who was White British
There must be millions of disappointed Americans cancelling their stag do’s in Tehran…
I suspect
Which is why his attitude to Saudi will be critical.
Which he why he gave the go-ahead for two new oil pipelines last week.
One imagines the US attitude to Saudi will change overnight, the minute the US becomes properly self-sufficient in fossil fuels. It's also why the UK and other O&G importers need to get fracking yesterday.
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Yes - I've had conversations with progressive types who are appalled that when we stop needing oil, we will stop giving money to countries who used to have oil. Apparently we should still send the money or something.
Do you have any published source for such a ridiculous anecdote?
As I said - people I've spoken with. I think they were a bit shocked by my happiness at a future state of affairs where, instead of us giving large sums of money to countries run by demented fools, we don't. The environmental thing is a bonus.
As I understand the thinking involved - since their societies are entirely dependent on oil, we can't stop giving them money, since they would collapse.
I have never heard anyone say such a thing, you must travel in some very strange circles.
Chat to some Corbynites - some of them are such fun. The weird twisted bigotries some "intellectuals" invent... it's like looking a really ugly vine. To such people the problem with the scenario above is that a First World country (us) would end up improving it's position vs a Second World country or two.
File this one away for when countries start banning oil imports for fuel (the plastics industry will be on oil for a while yet) - figure within 20 years. You will hear such people then...
The world is more interesting when you talk to people you normally wouldn't.
I talk to people from all walks of life, in one of the most multicultural cities in the world, and have never heard such rot.
Surely you must have tweets or blog posts that would support your anecdotes?
"rot" - that people believe that the duty of the First World is to supply money to various countries? You are easily surprised.
Lots of people worldwide support foreign aid, but I have never heard anyone suggest that oil-states should be recipients.
If Trump is to come a cropper, this I think is how it will happen. Even Trump supporters respect the constitution more than the man?
I'd argue that the US Constitution applies only to the citizens of the United States (wherever they are) and to the territory (however defined) of the United States. It does not cover treatment of non-US citizens outside US territory.
Incidentally, am I right in thinking that legally (in the States) the Moon is US territory?
No, It belongs to Vilos Cohaagen. Or was that Mars?
If only someone had predicted, with devastating accuracy, what might happen...
But your hero Enoch was talking about black people. And in that respect he was completely and totally wrong.
anger was mixed marriages, but the people he talked about wont allow that
I guess some black people or "negros" are from the Commonwealth.......
I think ll "negros" in Wolverhampton would have been West Indian. When I lived there (in his old constituency) the only non-English speakers were Punjabi Sikhs.
I happen to think that Black people have assimilated pretty well in England, the number of people of mixed heritage is evidence of that. But if we were going to be picky, Lee Rigby's murderers...
Thats the thing. 10 or twenty years ago people were not saying black have assimilated. The opposite infact.
Well we don't have to wonder, it is not subjective, we can compare the number of babies born to mixed parents of all kinds and we will have proof of who assimilates and who doesnt
At a guess, I would think White people intermarry the most, followed by Black people, followed by East Asians, followed by South Asians and Middle Easterners.
Nope. Whites (as in 'pure' whites) are the least likely to intermarry. The next most reluctant are the various peoples of the sub-continent. Chinese are positively promiscuous about inter-marriage.
Of all people in inter-ethnic relationships, 4 in 10 (40%) included someone who was White British - the most common being between Other White and White British (16%)
Further up Sunil, further up:
"• White British (4%) were least likely to be in inter-ethnic relationships, followed by Bangladeshi (7%), Pakistani (9%) and Indian (12%) ethnic groups."
Hence my 'pure'.
Is that a % of White British? In actual number they are surely the highest?
And isn't there a ceiling for white British (being the most in absolute number) that doesn't apply to any other group?
If Trump is to come a cropper, this I think is how it will happen. Even Trump supporters respect the constitution more than the man?
I'd argue that the US Constitution applies only to the citizens of the United States (wherever they are) and to the territory (however defined) of the United States. It does not cover treatment of non-US citizens outside US territory.
Incidentally, am I right in thinking that legally (in the States) the Moon is US territory?
@JustinTrudeau: To those fleeing persecution, terror & war, Canadians will welcome you, regardless of your faith. Diversity is our strength #WelcomeToCanada
Surely this is arrant tosh. There are several million refugees from Syria in camps in surrounding countries. Does he mean that if they can get shipped to Canada, they'll just take the lot? All those in Greece and Italy too? Am I missing something?
My son married a Canadian in June 2015 and it took to September 2016 for him to be accepted into Canada from New Zealand. Are they going to suspend their paperwork and process.
Trudeau like Corbyn is playing to his gallery but it is not going to happen
Like corbyn the man is an imbecile, unlike corbyn now that Obama has left the stage he is media's fav world leader.
@JustinTrudeau: To those fleeing persecution, terror & war, Canadians will welcome you, regardless of your faith. Diversity is our strength #WelcomeToCanada
Surely this is arrant tosh. There are several million refugees from Syria in camps in surrounding countries. Does he mean that if they can get shipped to Canada, they'll just take the lot? All those in Greece and Italy too? Am I missing something?
My son married a Canadian in June 2015 and it took to September 2016 for him to be accepted into Canada from New Zealand. Are they going to suspend their paperwork and process.
Trudeau like Corbyn is playing to his gallery but it is not going to happen
Like corbyn the man is an imbecile, unlike corbyn now that Obama has left the stage he is media's fav world leader.
I wonder how many Moslem countries have banned Israelis from entry? Oh 16 it is then.
Surely the US should aspire to higher standards. But out of interest, how many of those 16 ban British citizens from entry? The US does.
A rare chance to agree with SO cannot be missed. This is not a time for whataboutery. This is a dumb decision by an inexperienced and over-confident administration. They should have appreciated that a few of those countries are old European stamping grounds and highly likely to have citizens with dual nationalities from (at a guess) Britain, France and Italy.
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There's a lot of jobs in renewables, though. http://m.slashdot.org/story/321807
Or were things quiet for Merkel and Obama?
https://twitter.com/snevin1/status/825429959934148613
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2012_Burgas_bus_bombing
They aren't folk we should be having warm fuzzy feelings about. Even those of us who are angry at the injustices of the Israel-Palestine situation.
As I understand the thinking involved - since their societies are entirely dependent on oil, we can't stop giving them money, since they would collapse.
Travelling in such places does require some ethical dilemmas, I always try to spend my money at ground level, rather than in places run by governmrnts and their cronies. Sometimes it is impossible though, such as the fee to get into the incredible complex of Pagan in Burma.
Indeed far more terrorists seem to have become radicalised in prisons than anywhere else in our country. Spending a bit on sorting this out would probably do much more for our safety than increasing red tape at borders.
edit: Oh is see applies to dual nationality. Stupid, very stupid.
https://twitter.com/nadhimzahawi/status/825431033537560576
More interesting is that people from Pakistan have not been banned, it's quite unstable right now. Egypt too.
Also do americans do a lot of business in Iraq and Libya apart from oil?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-21359254
Incidentally, the main suspects were Canadian and Australian, countries that the PB League of Empire Loyalists are keen to have free movement with.
https://www.justsecurity.org/36936/well-court-trumps-executive-order-refugees-violates-establishment-clause/
If Trump is to come a cropper, this I think is how it will happen. Even Trump supporters respect the constitution more than the man?
Though I do take your wider point.
File this one away for when countries start banning oil imports for fuel (the plastics industry will be on oil for a while yet) - figure within 20 years. You will hear such people then...
The world is more interesting when you talk to people you normally wouldn't.
Let me make this clear I am very disturbed by Trump's action but also defend May on her response as it is exactly the response other leaders would make. I have not heard any leader anywhere condemn Trump and that includes Merkel and Hollande
As far as MSM is concerned it was Faisal Islam who suggested that Trump's action would find support in the UK
I remember a court case many years ago when the advocate I was instructing turned around and said of a more than averagely eccentric sheriff, "the tide of madness turns our way" . That is what we need to achieve. To get what we want out of this ego centric idiot who can help or hinder us depending on what delusions are uppermost at any one time.
leftie luvvieTory MP on Trump...https://twitter.com/alistairburtmp/status/825430045888016384
https://twitter.com/jimmyrushmore/status/825437117060882432
"For I speak to you not just as Prime Minister of the United Kingdom, but as a fellow Conservative who believes in the same principles that underpin the agenda of your party."
Theresa May to the republican party 26/1/17
Standing shoulder to shoulder with a white nationalist as he bans our citizens with dual nationality from entering the US?
And this is your agenda, Theresa?
You're making Jeremy Corbyn look good.
Impeccable provenance:
http://webarchive.nationalarchives.gov.uk/20160105160709/http://www.ons.gov.uk/ons/dcp171776_369571.pdf
Surely you must have tweets or blog posts that would support your anecdotes?
Of all people in inter-ethnic relationships, 4 in 10 (40%) included someone who was White British - the most common being between Other White and White British (16%)
I think those values should really be normalised by age and geography to be valid.
An 80 year old couple in the Hebridies are very unlikely to have had the opportunity to meet other ethnicities at peak courting age.
"• White British (4%) were least likely to be in inter-ethnic relationships, followed by Bangladeshi (7%), Pakistani (9%) and Indian (12%) ethnic groups."
Hence my 'pure'.
Trudeau like Corbyn is playing to his gallery but it is not going to happen
https://twitter.com/RoguePOTUSStaff/status/825372368180756482
And isn't there a ceiling for white British (being the most in absolute number) that doesn't apply to any other group?
Let than sink in.