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There’s been a change in the Stoke central by-election betting with renewed interest in LAB and the move to Paul Nuttall, the UKIP leader, easing off.
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first like Labour in Stoke and Copeland!0
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second best like liverpool...0
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Well they are odds on with every bookmaker, but on Betfair it is now 2.06 UKIP, and the money has come back for Labour
http://www.oddschecker.com/politics/british-politics/stoke-on-trent-central-by-election/winning-party
As I keep saying, a great betting heat. The range of prices traded on each party is quite extraordinary0 -
Do Labour supporters want Labour to lose to hasten Corbyn's departure or is the horror of Doc Nuttall MP. too awful?0
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Good afternoon, everyone.
I still think Nuttall is too short.0 -
Not as short as Putin or Sadiq, Mr Dancer?Morris_Dancer said:Good afternoon, everyone.
I still think Nuttall is too short.0 -
How are they 2-0 down on 80% possession???Scrapheap_as_was said:second best like liverpool...
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Labour supporters may well be keen to get Corbyn to move on, but not at the price of losing the seat.Roger said:Do Labour supporters want Labour to lose to hasten Corbyn's departure or is the horror of Doc Nuttall MP. too awful?
Snell tweeted:
https://twitter.com/gareth_snell/status/825298803074940928
It doesn't look like a room ful of Islingtonites.0 -
I think losing Copeland to the tories would be a better rebuttal of Corbyn. I'm hoping they hang on in Stoke (or a miraculous LD win!) and lose Copeland. Having Nuttall in parliament will give much needed oxygen to UKIP, which Labour definitely don't want.Roger said:Do Labour supporters want Labour to lose to hasten Corbyn's departure or is the horror of Doc Nuttall MP. too awful?
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Dr. Prasannan, or Ecclestone. But you know what I mean.0
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LD's crack in-form by-election team's hit a brick wall in the Potteries. Back to irrelevance.0
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Going 1-0 down in the first minute a lot to do with thatMarqueeMark said:
How are they 2-0 down on 80% possession???Scrapheap_as_was said:second best like liverpool...
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That 80% of possession has so far resulted in two shots on target - the same as Wolves have achieved with a quarter of Liverpool's possession.MarqueeMark said:
How are they 2-0 down on 80% possession???Scrapheap_as_was said:second best like liverpool...
Its not what you've got that matters but what you do with it.
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Perhaps you could try basing your opinion on the candidate - which one would you like in Parliament?Roger said:Do Labour supporters want Labour to lose to hasten Corbyn's departure or is the horror of Doc Nuttall MP. too awful?
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To be authentically Trumpish Corybn needs to tweet about "Failing PA. Sad."dr_spyn said:Jezza having some problems with PA.
https://twitter.com/DavidWilcockPA/status/8253303260503736330 -
No Prisoners Saint
In case anyone missed it, Trump bought the domain Pussyhat https://t.co/ThbcEH5bly and redirected to the White House. #Classic0 -
https://twitter.com/benjancewicz/status/825158753414680576PlatoSaid said:
No Prisoners Saint
In case anyone missed it, Trump bought the domain Pussyhat https://t.co/ThbcEH5bly and redirected to the White House. #Classic0 -
An army of trolls is taking Fillon down. This Buzzfeed article is informative. They refer to the "Great Liberation of France", which is hosted on Discord, the alt-right chat platform. They favour politicians who in their terminology will "remove kebab". They don't use that phrase much in public, not the way they do with "cuck" or, in the US, "you're fired". What's going on is horribly unpleasant, in France as in the US. The line in this scene is that Russian-backed far-right politicians should get a big troll support effort.
Soon they will target Macron. It wouldn't surprise me if he was videoed at some of the restaurants. Whatever's needed. He'll go into the vote wounded, same as Clinton.
Russia Today are saying Fillon is being targeted because he is "Russophile". Yeah, right.
There are two big troll armies in this world. At the moment they seem to be cooperating.0 -
He would have been happier talking to Press TV.glw said:
To be authentically Trumpish Corybn needs to tweet about "Failing PA. Sad."dr_spyn said:Jezza having some problems with PA.
https://twitter.com/DavidWilcockPA/status/825330326050373633
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Only if they pull their sox up.foxinsoxuk said:first like Labour in Stoke and Copeland!
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Bizarre. 'Remove kebab' is Europa Universalis (that's a Paradox grand strategy videogame for the non-hepcats among us) slang for defeating the Ottomans.Dromedary said:An army of trolls is taking Fillon down. This Buzzfeed article is informative. They refer to the "Great Liberation of France", which is hosted on Discord, the alt-right chat platform. They favour politicians who in their terminology will "remove kebab". They don't use that phrase much in public, not the way they do with "cuck" or, in the US, "you're fired". What's going on is horribly unpleasant, in France as in the US. The line in this scene is that Russian-backed far-right politicians should get a big troll support effort.
Soon they will target Macron. It wouldn't surprise me if he was videoed at some of the restaurants. Whatever's needed. He'll go into the vote wounded, same as Clinton.
Russia Today are saying Fillon is being targeted because he is "Russophile". Yeah, right.
There are two big troll armies in this world. At the moment they seem to be cooperating.
Point of order though, Discord is incredibly popular in the gaming world, particularly the streaming community. It isn't inherently left or right wing. It's just better than Skype or Teamspeak etc for multi-cast voice & chat.0 -
Declined to speak? #AlternativeFactsglw said:
To be authentically Trumpish Corybn needs to tweet about "Failing PA. Sad."dr_spyn said:Jezza having some problems with PA.
https://twitter.com/DavidWilcockPA/status/8253303260503736330 -
How do you know it was Trump who bought it? The owner's name is not public. The proxy registrant is Whois Privacy Services, based in Australia.PlatoSaid said:
No Prisoners Saint
In case anyone missed it, Trump bought the domain Pussyhat https://t.co/ThbcEH5bly and redirected to the White House. #Classic
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I find it quite bizarre that UKIP were ever favourites for this seat. I expect a pretty comfortable Labour hold on a very low turnout.0
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@LukwesaBurak: BREAKING: UK's BAE Systems signs deal with Turkey's national aerospace firm to develop new generation of Turkish fighter jets. @BBCNews0
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Have you seen Labour's candidate, Snell ? Unprepossessing and uninspiring even by their dismal standards.DavidL said:I find it quite bizarre that UKIP were ever favourites for this seat. I expect a pretty comfortable Labour hold on a very low turnout.
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He is a complete twat, based on his Twitter history (the 21st century window into a man's soul). Labour testing the 'donkey with a red rosette' theory to destruction, apparently.MonikerDiCanio said:
Have you seen Labour's candidate, Snell ? Unprepossessing and uninspiring even by their dismal standards.DavidL said:I find it quite bizarre that UKIP were ever favourites for this seat. I expect a pretty comfortable Labour hold on a very low turnout.
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I'd expect turnout to be better than 'very low', even accepting the Stoke Central baseline. I'd be surprised if it's not in the 30s. On that basis, Labour should hold. If it is sub-25, UKIP will stand a good chance. Mike's point is right though: UKIP are not very good at election campaigning and are short of important data which will matter.DavidL said:I find it quite bizarre that UKIP were ever favourites for this seat. I expect a pretty comfortable Labour hold on a very low turnout.
DavidL is quite right that it's bizarre that UKIP were ever favourites given these drags on their vote share and where they're starting from. Personally, I reckon they should be nearer 2/1.0 -
Oh yes, I was not suggesting anything lower than 30%. In the 30s is very low for a Parliamentary vote.david_herdson said:
I'd expect turnout to be better than 'very low', even accepting the Stoke Central baseline. I'd be surprised if it's not in the 30s. On that basis, Labour should hold. If it is sub-25, UKIP will stand a good chance. Mike's point is right though: UKIP are not very good at election campaigning and are short of important data which will matter.DavidL said:I find it quite bizarre that UKIP were ever favourites for this seat. I expect a pretty comfortable Labour hold on a very low turnout.
DavidL is quite right that it's bizarre that UKIP were ever favourites given these drags on their vote share and where they're starting from. Personally, I reckon they should be nearer 2/1.0 -
They will be used to bomb Kurds in Syria?Scott_P said:@LukwesaBurak: BREAKING: UK's BAE Systems signs deal with Turkey's national aerospace firm to develop new generation of Turkish fighter jets. @BBCNews
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Doesn't matter. This is donkey territory and he just about makes the grade for that.MonikerDiCanio said:
Have you seen Labour's candidate, Snell ? Unprepossessing and uninspiring even by their dismal standards.DavidL said:I find it quite bizarre that UKIP were ever favourites for this seat. I expect a pretty comfortable Labour hold on a very low turnout.
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Post-Brexit trade mission not going well then...Scott_P said:@LukwesaBurak: BREAKING: UK's BAE Systems signs deal with Turkey's national aerospace firm to develop new generation of Turkish fighter jets. @BBCNews
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interesting front page in Whitehaven:
Local news for Local people.
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I wonder if it's just a reannouncement of the following, or if we've gone deeper / it's something else:Scott_P said:@LukwesaBurak: BREAKING: UK's BAE Systems signs deal with Turkey's national aerospace firm to develop new generation of Turkish fighter jets. @BBCNews
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TAI_TFX0 -
Stoke voters will enjoy much " Capital of Brexit " glamour with Nuttall. Snell radiates inertia.DavidL said:
Doesn't matter. This is donkey territory and he just about makes the grade for that.MonikerDiCanio said:
Have you seen Labour's candidate, Snell ? Unprepossessing and uninspiring even by their dismal standards.DavidL said:I find it quite bizarre that UKIP were ever favourites for this seat. I expect a pretty comfortable Labour hold on a very low turnout.
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On behalf of the Copeland Labour party.foxinsoxuk said:interesting front page in Whitehaven:
Local news for Local people.
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Nuttall will lose, and still be unable to find Stoke on the map, let alone make it the capital of anything other than pottery.MonikerDiCanio said:
Stoke voters will enjoy much " Capital of Brexit " glamour with Nuttall. Snell radiates inertia.DavidL said:
Doesn't matter. This is donkey territory and he just about makes the grade for that.MonikerDiCanio said:
Have you seen Labour's candidate, Snell ? Unprepossessing and uninspiring even by their dismal standards.DavidL said:I find it quite bizarre that UKIP were ever favourites for this seat. I expect a pretty comfortable Labour hold on a very low turnout.
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John_M said:
He is a complete twat, based on his Twitter history (the 21st century window into a man's soul). Labour testing the 'donkey with a red rosette' theory to destruction, apparently.MonikerDiCanio said:
Have you seen Labour's candidate, Snell ? Unprepossessing and uninspiring even by their dismal standards.DavidL said:I find it quite bizarre that UKIP were ever favourites for this seat. I expect a pretty comfortable Labour hold on a very low turnout.
LOL.DavidL said:
Doesn't matter. This is donkey territory and he just about makes the grade for that.MonikerDiCanio said:
Have you seen Labour's candidate, Snell ? Unprepossessing and uninspiring even by their dismal standards.DavidL said:I find it quite bizarre that UKIP were ever favourites for this seat. I expect a pretty comfortable Labour hold on a very low turnout.
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Trump is doing a sterling job, keeping all the mass murdering, Google employed Muslims out of the US. Now he just needs to kick out all the toddlers who pick up their parent's guns and shoot people.0
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Have you ever dealt with BAE? By the time they've developed anything, we'll all be living on Mars.nunu said:
They will be used to bomb Kurds in Syria?Scott_P said:@LukwesaBurak: BREAKING: UK's BAE Systems signs deal with Turkey's national aerospace firm to develop new generation of Turkish fighter jets. @BBCNews
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They will crack but not break said theory, with Nuttall a close-ish second.John_M said:
He is a complete twat, based on his Twitter history (the 21st century window into a man's soul). Labour testing the 'donkey with a red rosette' theory to destruction, apparently.MonikerDiCanio said:
Have you seen Labour's candidate, Snell ? Unprepossessing and uninspiring even by their dismal standards.DavidL said:I find it quite bizarre that UKIP were ever favourites for this seat. I expect a pretty comfortable Labour hold on a very low turnout.
If UKIP were able to mount a decent ground campaign they could win this, but they can't so they won't.0 -
It will be on a lot of doorsteps though, and not straight in the bin like political leaflets.nunu said:
On behalf of the Copeland Labour party.foxinsoxuk said:interesting front page in Whitehaven:
Local news for Local people.
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Tories in Second, UKIP going backwards.Essexit said:
They will crack but not break said theory, with Nuttall a close-ish second.John_M said:
He is a complete twat, based on his Twitter history (the 21st century window into a man's soul). Labour testing the 'donkey with a red rosette' theory to destruction, apparently.MonikerDiCanio said:
Have you seen Labour's candidate, Snell ? Unprepossessing and uninspiring even by their dismal standards.DavidL said:I find it quite bizarre that UKIP were ever favourites for this seat. I expect a pretty comfortable Labour hold on a very low turnout.
If UKIP were able to mount a decent ground campaign they could win this, but they can't so they won't.0 -
To be fair, if this is just the existing program then it's not that much trade. Now, if she'd managed to persuade them to buy some of our Tranche-1 Eurofighters ...SimonStClare said:
Post-Brexit trade mission not going well then...Scott_P said:@LukwesaBurak: BREAKING: UK's BAE Systems signs deal with Turkey's national aerospace firm to develop new generation of Turkish fighter jets. @BBCNews
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Is this one of those trade deals the Brexiteers told us we were prevented from signing as a member of the EU?SimonStClare said:Post-Brexit trade mission not going well then...
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Interesting discussion on WC people in the previous thread. So I wonder if PBers see WWC people who feel that immigration is the reason why their wages are stagnating as 'blaming society for their own failures'? Or are only certain groups of WC worthy of a hearing, while others don't deserve one?0
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Your prognosistic faculties are emotively deranged. Nuttall to take the Capital of Brexit handily.foxinsoxuk said:
Nuttall will lose, and still be unable to find Stoke on the map, let alone make it the capital of anything other than pottery.MonikerDiCanio said:
Stoke voters will enjoy much " Capital of Brexit " glamour with Nuttall. Snell radiates inertia.DavidL said:
Doesn't matter. This is donkey territory and he just about makes the grade for that.MonikerDiCanio said:
Have you seen Labour's candidate, Snell ? Unprepossessing and uninspiring even by their dismal standards.DavidL said:I find it quite bizarre that UKIP were ever favourites for this seat. I expect a pretty comfortable Labour hold on a very low turnout.
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Boston is capital of Brexit = 76% LEAVE!MonikerDiCanio said:
Your prognosistic faculties are emotively deranged. Nuttall to take the Capital of Brexit handily.foxinsoxuk said:
Nuttall will lose, and still be unable to find Stoke on the map, let alone make it the capital of anything other than pottery.MonikerDiCanio said:
Stoke voters will enjoy much " Capital of Brexit " glamour with Nuttall. Snell radiates inertia.DavidL said:
Doesn't matter. This is donkey territory and he just about makes the grade for that.MonikerDiCanio said:
Have you seen Labour's candidate, Snell ? Unprepossessing and uninspiring even by their dismal standards.DavidL said:I find it quite bizarre that UKIP were ever favourites for this seat. I expect a pretty comfortable Labour hold on a very low turnout.
Stoke managed a measly 69%
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Hanretty estimates Stoke Central as 65% leave. It is the Capital of Brexit in the same way Luton is the capital of England.Sunil_Prasannan said:
Boston is capital of Brexit = 76% LEAVE!MonikerDiCanio said:
Your prognosistic faculties are emotively deranged. Nuttall to take the Capital of Brexit handily.foxinsoxuk said:
Nuttall will lose, and still be unable to find Stoke on the map, let alone make it the capital of anything other than pottery.MonikerDiCanio said:
Stoke voters will enjoy much " Capital of Brexit " glamour with Nuttall. Snell radiates inertia.DavidL said:
Doesn't matter. This is donkey territory and he just about makes the grade for that.MonikerDiCanio said:
Have you seen Labour's candidate, Snell ? Unprepossessing and uninspiring even by their dismal standards.DavidL said:I find it quite bizarre that UKIP were ever favourites for this seat. I expect a pretty comfortable Labour hold on a very low turnout.
Stoke managed a measly 69%
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Euratom participation by long-term EU member Switzerland?Scott_P said:0 -
Boston was the Geoff Hurst but Stoke the Bobby Moore. Our Captain and Capital.Sunil_Prasannan said:
Boston is capital of Brexit = 76% LEAVE!MonikerDiCanio said:
Your prognosistic faculties are emotively deranged. Nuttall to take the Capital of Brexit handily.foxinsoxuk said:
Nuttall will lose, and still be unable to find Stoke on the map, let alone make it the capital of anything other than pottery.MonikerDiCanio said:
Stoke voters will enjoy much " Capital of Brexit " glamour with Nuttall. Snell radiates inertia.DavidL said:
Doesn't matter. This is donkey territory and he just about makes the grade for that.MonikerDiCanio said:
Have you seen Labour's candidate, Snell ? Unprepossessing and uninspiring even by their dismal standards.DavidL said:I find it quite bizarre that UKIP were ever favourites for this seat. I expect a pretty comfortable Labour hold on a very low turnout.
Stoke managed a measly 69%
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Isn't ITER an example of a program that we would likely continue working on/contributing to? I think the reason for the Euratom pull out is due to the link with the ECJ.Scott_P said:0 -
Did I hit a nreve..!Scott_P said:
Is this one of those trade deals the Brexiteers told us we were prevented from signing as a member of the EU?SimonStClare said:Post-Brexit trade mission not going well then...
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As the US dictator issues a decree banning entry to the US by people coming from Syria or Iraq, and by refugees wherever they come from, here's a reminder that before he took office he promised to
● "bomb the shit" out of areas of Syria and Iraq
● "blow up every single inch"
● arrange a big contract there for Exxon
● take the oil, and
● "ring" the region.
Such a horrific attack would cause many, many more people to become refugees in the region than already are.
What does it mean to "ring" somewhere? What happens to people inside the ring? It doesn't sound as though the plan is to let them out. Will the "kebab" be "removed"?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aWejiXvd-P8
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z-fddd9rQjYSunil_Prasannan said:
Euratom participation by long-term EU member Switzerland?Scott_P said:
Brexit MEANS BREXIT Sunil.
The country voted to leave, and all that other EU nonsense
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ezib57ztua8
"Sounds like a UKIP conference speech !"
Not half cocked leavers like Switzerland or Norway. PROPER LEAVING FOR PROPER PEOPLE !0 -
It's human nature to blame others for our own shortcomings, real or imagined. It's a long time since I lived cheek by jowl with genuinely poor people (Beeston, Leeds in the middle/late 80s), so I can't claim any recent insight.The_Apocalypse said:Interesting discussion on WC people in the previous thread. So I wonder if PBers see WWC people who feel that immigration is the reason why their wages are stagnating as 'blaming society for their own failures'? Or are only certain groups of WC worthy of a hearing, while others don't deserve one?
This is platitudinous, but of course we should give everyone a hearing. There's no happy ending if we just gesture at a tranche of society, tell them to 'git gud' , give them a pittance in welfare and call it job done.0 -
I guess the EU will have to expel us now we're ignoring their diktats.Scott_P said:
Is this one of those trade deals the Brexiteers told us we were prevented from signing as a member of the EU?SimonStClare said:Post-Brexit trade mission not going well then...
Oh, wait...
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No, it's PROPER Brexit for PROPER People!Pulpstar said:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z-fddd9rQjYSunil_Prasannan said:
Euratom participation by long-term EU member Switzerland?Scott_P said:
Brexit MEANS BREXIT Sunil.
The country voted to leave, and all that other EU nonsense
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ezib57ztua8
"Sounds like a UKIP conference speech !"
Not half cocked leavers like Switzerland or Norway. PROPER LEAVING FOR PROPER PEOPLE !
Switzerland is an ASSOCIATED member of Euratom, BTW!!!0 -
On the Stoke betting, I've been keeping the field onside until now by laying @ 99.x% book, rather than backing.
If one of the more popular city independents had thrown their hat into the ring - or Denise Coates put her name forward - then the betting could have been really shaken up.
A bit late now, I think.
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How does that ‘association’ work and will the other members want another ‘associate'?Sunil_Prasannan said:
No, it's PROPER Brexit for PROPER People!Pulpstar said:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z-fddd9rQjYSunil_Prasannan said:
Euratom participation by long-term EU member Switzerland?Scott_P said:
Brexit MEANS BREXIT Sunil.
The country voted to leave, and all that other EU nonsense
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ezib57ztua8
"Sounds like a UKIP conference speech !"
Not half cocked leavers like Switzerland or Norway. PROPER LEAVING FOR PROPER PEOPLE !
Switzerland is an ASSOCIATED member of Euratom, BTW!!!0 -
Brexit capital or no, if UKIP can't win in Stoke with their leader standing, they won't win any Labour seats. Their much publicised Northern breakthrough will last as long as Jurgen Klopp's wonder side. Will have to go back to pestering Tories on the East coast.0
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I disagree, and think the 8/1 that Ladbrokes have on UKIP below 20% is good value.MonikerDiCanio said:
Your prognosistic faculties are emotively deranged. Nuttall to take the Capital of Brexit handily.foxinsoxuk said:
Nuttall will lose, and still be unable to find Stoke on the map, let alone make it the capital of anything other than pottery.MonikerDiCanio said:
Stoke voters will enjoy much " Capital of Brexit " glamour with Nuttall. Snell radiates inertia.DavidL said:
Doesn't matter. This is donkey territory and he just about makes the grade for that.MonikerDiCanio said:
Have you seen Labour's candidate, Snell ? Unprepossessing and uninspiring even by their dismal standards.DavidL said:I find it quite bizarre that UKIP were ever favourites for this seat. I expect a pretty comfortable Labour hold on a very low turnout.
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Dr. Foxinsox, I agree UKIP are unlikely to win. Not sure they'll be below 20% but in a four way contest that's definitely possible. Hmm.0
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Scott's struggling to discern the difference between day to day commerce and FTAs. Probably just a bit tired.MonikerDiCanio said:
I guess the EU will have to expel us now we're ignoring their diktats.Scott_P said:
Is this one of those trade deals the Brexiteers told us we were prevented from signing as a member of the EU?SimonStClare said:Post-Brexit trade mission not going well then...
Oh, wait...
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I think this is a case of DYOR.OldKingCole said:
How does that ‘association’ work and will the other members want another ‘associate'?Sunil_Prasannan said:
No, it's PROPER Brexit for PROPER People!Pulpstar said:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z-fddd9rQjYSunil_Prasannan said:
Euratom participation by long-term EU member Switzerland?Scott_P said:
Brexit MEANS BREXIT Sunil.
The country voted to leave, and all that other EU nonsense
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ezib57ztua8
"Sounds like a UKIP conference speech !"
Not half cocked leavers like Switzerland or Norway. PROPER LEAVING FOR PROPER PEOPLE !
Switzerland is an ASSOCIATED member of Euratom, BTW!!!0 -
Blimey... are we the new Liverpool?0
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Our host does well to avoid the phrase "ground game".
I'm betting against UKIP until they start showing they can win seats through by-elections. Their track record is dismal.0 -
Yep, this is their Gettysburg. Weak local candidate vs party leader. Strong Leave vote. Labour leader madder by the day. If they can't win Stoke, we can stick a fork in 'em and call it done.dixiedean said:Brexit capital or no, if UKIP can't win in Stoke with their leader standing, they won't win any Labour seats. Their much publicised Northern breakthrough will last as long as Jurgen Klopp's wonder side. Will have to go back to pestering Tories on the East coast.
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You never know, Mr M; surprising what can be found out by asking here!John_M said:
I think this is a case of DYOR.OldKingCole said:
How does that ‘association’ work and will the other members want another ‘associate'?Sunil_Prasannan said:
No, it's PROPER Brexit for PROPER People!Pulpstar said:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z-fddd9rQjYSunil_Prasannan said:
Euratom participation by long-term EU member Switzerland?Scott_P said:
Brexit MEANS BREXIT Sunil.
The country voted to leave, and all that other EU nonsense
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ezib57ztua8
"Sounds like a UKIP conference speech !"
Not half cocked leavers like Switzerland or Norway. PROPER LEAVING FOR PROPER PEOPLE !
Switzerland is an ASSOCIATED member of Euratom, BTW!!!0 -
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Probably true.John_M said:
Yep, this is their Gettysburg. Weak local candidate vs party leader. Strong Leave vote. Labour leader madder by the day. If they can't win Stoke, we can stick a fork in 'em and call it done.dixiedean said:Brexit capital or no, if UKIP can't win in Stoke with their leader standing, they won't win any Labour seats. Their much publicised Northern breakthrough will last as long as Jurgen Klopp's wonder side. Will have to go back to pestering Tories on the East coast.
In recent by elections, the only ones UKIP had a hope of winning were Clacton and Rochester, which they won. No others were winnable (H&M was a massive surprise 2nd). Sure, UKIP haters tried to make it seem like all their 2nds were failures, but that was partisan nonsense.
This one, though is winnable and would be a failure if they lost.
Everyone on this site said Reckless would lose the Rochester By Election though, and a few cast doubt on Carswell in Clacton! Par for the course, so don't pay too much attention.0 -
Heywood and Middleton? Sure it was a surprise they came so close, but it was certainly "winnable."isam said:
Probably true.John_M said:
Yep, this is their Gettysburg. Weak local candidate vs party leader. Strong Leave vote. Labour leader madder by the day. If they can't win Stoke, we can stick a fork in 'em and call it done.dixiedean said:Brexit capital or no, if UKIP can't win in Stoke with their leader standing, they won't win any Labour seats. Their much publicised Northern breakthrough will last as long as Jurgen Klopp's wonder side. Will have to go back to pestering Tories on the East coast.
In recent by elections the only ones UKIP had a hope of winning were Clacton and Rochester. No others were winnable. Sure, UKIP haters tried to make it seem like all their 2nds were failures, but that was partisan nonsense.
This one, though is winnable and would be a failure if they lost.
Everyone on this site said Reckless would lose the Rochester By Election though, and a few cast doubt on Carswell in Clacton! Par for the course0 -
I apologise, that came across as a bit shirty. Please forgive my testiness!OldKingCole said:
You never know, Mr M; surprising what can be found out by asking here!John_M said:
I think this is a case of DYOR.OldKingCole said:
How does that ‘association’ work and will the other members want another ‘associate'?Sunil_Prasannan said:
No, it's PROPER Brexit for PROPER People!Pulpstar said:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z-fddd9rQjYSunil_Prasannan said:
Euratom participation by long-term EU member Switzerland?Scott_P said:
Brexit MEANS BREXIT Sunil.
The country voted to leave, and all that other EU nonsense
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ezib57ztua8
"Sounds like a UKIP conference speech !"
Not half cocked leavers like Switzerland or Norway. PROPER LEAVING FOR PROPER PEOPLE !
Switzerland is an ASSOCIATED member of Euratom, BTW!!!
As a mild penance, I can testify that this whole field is littered with alphabetti-spaghetti agencies, and a web of bilateral and multilateral agreements, both regional and global. That doesn't provide you with an answer, but I can at least point you at:
http://ec.europa.eu/research/energy/euratom/index_en.cfm?pg=coop0 -
More like A Local Brexit for Local People: there's nothing for you here, young Dr Sunil...Sunil_Prasannan said:No, it's PROPER Brexit for PROPER People!
Switzerland is an ASSOCIATED member of Euratom, BTW!!!
Anyhoo, I came here because of our previous discussion regarding the orientation of Serbia: I argued that Serbia was historically allied with Russia, you pointed to Serbia's EU bid.
I was reading Jane's Defense Weekly and noted this article: http://www.janes.com/article/66503/russia-to-donate-mig-29s-t-72s-to-serbia
The disadvantage of Brexit. Pause. One of the disadvantages of Brexit. Pause. One of the many disadvantages of Brexit. Pause. One of the ginormous disadvantage clusterfuck that is Brexit...is that while we're crawling up our own bottom trying to disentangle ourselves from the EU, we have no resources left over to do anything useful. One of those useful things is keeping an eye on the Balkans...0 -
I edited to include that! It was winnable in hindsight I guess, but they were massive outsiders by polling day, about 14/1 I think. Labour went 1.02 on Betfair by the nightdixiedean said:
Heywood and Middleton? Sure it was a surprise they came so close, but it was certainly "winnable."isam said:
Probably true.John_M said:
Yep, this is their Gettysburg. Weak local candidate vs party leader. Strong Leave vote. Labour leader madder by the day. If they can't win Stoke, we can stick a fork in 'em and call it done.dixiedean said:Brexit capital or no, if UKIP can't win in Stoke with their leader standing, they won't win any Labour seats. Their much publicised Northern breakthrough will last as long as Jurgen Klopp's wonder side. Will have to go back to pestering Tories on the East coast.
In recent by elections the only ones UKIP had a hope of winning were Clacton and Rochester. No others were winnable. Sure, UKIP haters tried to make it seem like all their 2nds were failures, but that was partisan nonsense.
This one, though is winnable and would be a failure if they lost.
Everyone on this site said Reckless would lose the Rochester By Election though, and a few cast doubt on Carswell in Clacton! Par for the course
Also they did very little campaigning, so yeah fair do's it was winnable0 -
Apologies! Didn't spot that!isam said:
I edited to include that! It was winnable in hindsight I guess, but they were massive outsiders by polling day, about 14/1 I think. Labour went 1.02 on Betfair by the nightdixiedean said:
Heywood and Middleton? Sure it was a surprise they came so close, but it was certainly "winnable."isam said:
Probably true.John_M said:
Yep, this is their Gettysburg. Weak local candidate vs party leader. Strong Leave vote. Labour leader madder by the day. If they can't win Stoke, we can stick a fork in 'em and call it done.dixiedean said:Brexit capital or no, if UKIP can't win in Stoke with their leader standing, they won't win any Labour seats. Their much publicised Northern breakthrough will last as long as Jurgen Klopp's wonder side. Will have to go back to pestering Tories on the East coast.
In recent by elections the only ones UKIP had a hope of winning were Clacton and Rochester. No others were winnable. Sure, UKIP haters tried to make it seem like all their 2nds were failures, but that was partisan nonsense.
This one, though is winnable and would be a failure if they lost.
Everyone on this site said Reckless would lose the Rochester By Election though, and a few cast doubt on Carswell in Clacton! Par for the course
Also they did very little campaigning, so yeah fair do's it was winnable0 -
I think they clean the lab coats.OldKingCole said:
How does that ‘association’ work and will the other members want another ‘associate'?Sunil_Prasannan said:
No, it's PROPER Brexit for PROPER People!Pulpstar said:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z-fddd9rQjYSunil_Prasannan said:
Euratom participation by long-term EU member Switzerland?Scott_P said:
Brexit MEANS BREXIT Sunil.
The country voted to leave, and all that other EU nonsense
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ezib57ztua8
"Sounds like a UKIP conference speech !"
Not half cocked leavers like Switzerland or Norway. PROPER LEAVING FOR PROPER PEOPLE !
Switzerland is an ASSOCIATED member of Euratom, BTW!!!0 -
Mr. Isam, there's been a huge change since those by-elections, though.
I've put a small sum on Dr. Foxinsox's suggestion that UKIP will get under 20%. I don't think they will, but I do think 9 is too long, in a potentially close four way contest.0 -
So it seems that Trump's visa ban includes green cards for citizens from the "Axis of Islam". People who may have lawfully lived in the US for decades and who happened to be on holiday this week are being barred from re-entering.0
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Do we know Lab have canvassing data? They complained during the referendum of no real party presence in safe seats...0
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No, my fault, I edited late.dixiedean said:
Apologies! Didn't spot that!isam said:
I edited to include that! It was winnable in hindsight I guess, but they were massive outsiders by polling day, about 14/1 I think. Labour went 1.02 on Betfair by the nightdixiedean said:
Heywood and Middleton? Sure it was a surprise they came so close, but it was certainly "winnable."isam said:
Probably true.John_M said:
Yep, this is their Gettysburg. Weak local candidate vs party leader. Strong Leave vote. Labour leader madder by the day. If they can't win Stoke, we can stick a fork in 'em and call it done.dixiedean said:Brexit capital or no, if UKIP can't win in Stoke with their leader standing, they won't win any Labour seats. Their much publicised Northern breakthrough will last as long as Jurgen Klopp's wonder side. Will have to go back to pestering Tories on the East coast.
In recent by elections the only ones UKIP had a hope of winning were Clacton and Rochester. No others were winnable. Sure, UKIP haters tried to make it seem like all their 2nds were failures, but that was partisan nonsense.
This one, though is winnable and would be a failure if they lost.
Everyone on this site said Reckless would lose the Rochester By Election though, and a few cast doubt on Carswell in Clacton! Par for the course
Also they did very little campaigning, so yeah fair do's it was winnable
What UKIP could do with is finding out what Gareth Snell was tweeting during the referendum campaign. I have found old tweets of him slagging UKIP off, inc calling Nuttall "Eddie Hitler", but he has deleted everything pre July.
He is obviously a loudmouth on social media, I'd have it odds on he made disparaging comments about Leavers0 -
If memory serves, that happened to Charlie Chaplin. Although surprisingly I have not a lot of sympathy here. If you intend to live in a country long-term and don't take out at least dual citizenship, you do lay yourself open to this sort of thing.not_on_fire said:So it seems that Trump's visa ban includes green cards for citizens from the "Axis of Islam". People who may have lawfully lived in the US for decades and who happened to be on holiday this week are being barred from re-entering.
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Seriously? Having been deemed worthy of permanent residence it's outrageous to suddennly be stranded abroad because the rules have changed.viewcode said:
If memory serves, that happened to Charlie Chaplin. Although surprisingly I have not a lot of sympathy here. If you intend to live in a country long-term and don't take out at least dual citizenship, you do lay yourself open to this sort of thing.not_on_fire said:So it seems that Trump's visa ban includes green cards for citizens from the "Axis of Islam". People who may have lawfully lived in the US for decades and who happened to be on holiday this week are being barred from re-entering.
In any case, many countries don't allow dual citizenship, e.g. Germany, India, China.0 -
Mr. Fire, are Germany/China one?
I met a chap in China who was a dual citizen (Chinese-German), which enabled him to get around the one child policy. Well, that was my understanding.
Edited extra bit: should stress this was some time ago.0 -
Not a problem, Mr M. Thanks for the info.John_M said:
I apologise, that came across as a bit shirty. Please forgive my testiness!OldKingCole said:
You never know, Mr M; surprising what can be found out by asking here!John_M said:
I think this is a case of DYOR.OldKingCole said:
How does that ‘association’ work and will the other members want another ‘associate'?Sunil_Prasannan said:
No, it's PROPER Brexit for PROPER People!Pulpstar said:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z-fddd9rQjYSunil_Prasannan said:
Euratom participation by long-term EU member Switzerland?Scott_P said:
Brexit MEANS BREXIT Sunil.
The country voted to leave, and all that other EU nonsense
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ezib57ztua8
"Sounds like a UKIP conference speech !"
Not half cocked leavers like Switzerland or Norway. PROPER LEAVING FOR PROPER PEOPLE !
Switzerland is an ASSOCIATED member of Euratom, BTW!!!
As a mild penance, I can testify that this whole field is littered with alphabetti-spaghetti agencies, and a web of bilateral and multilateral agreements, both regional and global. That doesn't provide you with an answer, but I can at least point you at:
http://ec.europa.eu/research/energy/euratom/index_en.cfm?pg=coop
Have done a bit of looking and it very much looks as though we’ll have to leave, because we’re leaving the EU, and rejoin as associates on Brexit+1. Anything else would be utterly stupid, and would handicap all sorts of activities not least medicine.0 -
I'm waiting for clarity as to whether this is HS enforcing the XO, or the airlines over-reacting on the precautionary principle.not_on_fire said:
Seriously? Having been deemed worthy of permanent residence it's outrageous to suddennly be stranded abroad because the rules have changed.viewcode said:
If memory serves, that happened to Charlie Chaplin. Although surprisingly I have not a lot of sympathy here. If you intend to live in a country long-term and don't take out at least dual citizenship, you do lay yourself open to this sort of thing.not_on_fire said:So it seems that Trump's visa ban includes green cards for citizens from the "Axis of Islam". People who may have lawfully lived in the US for decades and who happened to be on holiday this week are being barred from re-entering.
In any case, many countries don't allow dual citizenship, e.g. Germany, India, China.0 -
King Cole, assuming we leave (not guaranteed), it'll be interesting to see whether the EU reforms certain institutions/procedures to stop silly bureaucratic problems in case anyone else goes.0
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I think a lot of Leavers will be happy with May, and go Tory or not turn out, while Labour voters will vote Labour on other issues and for a local guy. UKIP are at risk of a squeeze.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Isam, there's been a huge change since those by-elections, though.
I've put a small sum on Dr. Foxinsox's suggestion that UKIP will get under 20%. I don't think they will, but I do think 9 is too long, in a potentially close four way contest.0 -
The EU retconned EUratom into the Lisbon treaty in 2008. Don't know why (and not particularly motivated to do the digging, in truth!).OldKingCole said:
Not a problem, Mr M. Thanks for the info.John_M said:
I apologise, that came across as a bit shirty. Please forgive my testiness!OldKingCole said:
You never know, Mr M; surprising what can be found out by asking here!John_M said:
I think this is a case of DYOR.OldKingCole said:
How does that ‘association’ work and will the other members want another ‘associate'?Sunil_Prasannan said:
No, it's PROPER Brexit for PROPER People!Pulpstar said:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z-fddd9rQjYSunil_Prasannan said:
Euratom participation by long-term EU member Switzerland?Scott_P said:
Brexit MEANS BREXIT Sunil.
The country voted to leave, and all that other EU nonsense
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ezib57ztua8
"Sounds like a UKIP conference speech !"
Not half cocked leavers like Switzerland or Norway. PROPER LEAVING FOR PROPER PEOPLE !
Switzerland is an ASSOCIATED member of Euratom, BTW!!!
As a mild penance, I can testify that this whole field is littered with alphabetti-spaghetti agencies, and a web of bilateral and multilateral agreements, both regional and global. That doesn't provide you with an answer, but I can at least point you at:
http://ec.europa.eu/research/energy/euratom/index_en.cfm?pg=coop
Have done a bit of looking and it very much looks as though we’ll have to leave, because we’re leaving the EU, and rejoin as associates on Brexit+1. Anything else would be utterly stupid, and would handicap all sorts of activities not least medicine.
I do agree your point. While everyone is screechingly distracted by the great white whale of Single Market membership, I think the meat and potatoes of our talks are going to be on which European programs we retain membership of, under what terms, and at what cost.0 -
She's MP for Lewisham East. Lewisham voted 70:30 to Remain, and the Lib Dems were her main challengers in 2010. Thus, her decision is hardly a surprise.AlastairMeeks said:A Labour rebel writes:
https://twitter.com/heidi_mp/status/8252966260172636160 -
Dr. Foxinsox, I largely agree, although low turnout could be an issue.
As I said, I think it's odds against, but it seems odd to me UKIP are shorter (6 against 9) to get 41-50% of the vote than under 20% in what could be a tight four-way result.0 -
Why do you conclude they're 'silly bureaucratic problems' ?Morris_Dancer said:King Cole, assuming we leave (not guaranteed), it'll be interesting to see whether the EU reforms certain institutions/procedures to stop silly bureaucratic problems in case anyone else goes.
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Mr. Jessop, by that, I'm referring to the apparent necessity of us leaving this Euratom thingummyjig only to rejoin it immediately as an associate.0
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The chaos starts:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-387835120
