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Paddy Power have some Donald Trump specials up, to be honest most of these appear to be taking the piss, as it were, and serve to act as an excellent way to contribute to Paddy Power’s bonus fund.
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And if those assurances are not forthcoming??????SouthamObserver said:
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What is it that's said about bets where the bookie won't take both sides of it..?
1/25 on the inauguration taking place must be value, he'll be surrounded by very tight security between now and then.0 -
There was a recent story about Israel and the same concerns about espionage leaking back to Moscow.SouthamObserver said:0 -
The Kremlin today also cast doubt on the Times Reykjavik summit story and said that the British are just trying to undermine Trump's Presidency.SouthamObserver said:Blimey ...
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Islamic immigration to the U.K. is 'what have the romans ever done for us' in reverse?
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Extraordinary. Apparently the CIA have also advised Israel against intelligence sharing with the Trump administration, lest it finds its way to Russia and then to Iran.SouthamObserver said:0 -
fpt williamglenn said:
"Well it's written by an American so stands more chance than most of being balanced."
A pretty good article.
Personally, I am glad that Hammond, of all people, is signaling back to the EU that threats can go both ways. Him saying it, as the 'dove' and 'soft Brexit' champion within the government, will have far more impact than Fox saying it.
Unlike the author, I think this does not necessarily increase the chances of Hard Brexit, but might work the other way - to level the playing field before the game starts, thereby giving more opportunity for a fairer game and hence a reasonable outcome.
But it could go either way. People are involved, ergo it is unpredictable.0 -
I'm sceptical about these stories. End product reports for the pols are carefully shaped to shed as little light as possible about the sources and techniques used to garner that intelligence.OldKingCole said:
Sometimes it's necessary to show a bit of ankle, but we're used to disseminating intelligence to parties who might be allies (coalition members, the French, the Israelis) but who we don't necessarily trust.0 -
I'm told that footage of Melania and Ivanka Trump already appears on such sites.0
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I like "To paint the White house Gold" at 500/1. Cant be more than a 125/1 chance0
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Asking for a friend, where?Sean_F said:I'm told that footage of Melania and Ivanka Trump already appears on such sites.
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"For example take the bet on the golden shower footage to appear on porn website ‘RedTube’, not being an expert (sexpert?) on niche websites like this, I believe there are many many many more websites of this nature on the internet, that the footage could end up on, that alone makes it an unattractive bet even before you consider the subject material"
But like a big puddle of piss, once it is made it is liable to spread.
If such salacious material really does exist, then as soon as it's leaked it'll spray all over the internet.
Including, presumably, to all those naughty websites. Of which I, too, have no meaningful knowledge.0 -
The golden shower scene is one allegation too far for me. There was a BBC interview with Trump (tip of the tongue lapse with the female presenter's name) which opened with a discussion of Trump not even shaking hands for fear of germs. It doesn't ring true. If there is a price on his tax returns revealing suitcases of roubles, I'd be interested.
On impeachment, I'd want to check what the bookies think the word means. Bill Clinton was impeached; Richard Nixon was not: probably the average bookmaker in the street would have it the other way round.0 -
You can do a google search. I presume they're faked.Gardenwalker said:
Asking for a friend, where?Sean_F said:I'm told that footage of Melania and Ivanka Trump already appears on such sites.
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Even in house. Intel product for civil servants will describe the source (sigint, imagery, humint) and if humint, will discuss the source's reliability, but not have anything which could identify the person directly.John_M said:
I'm sceptical about these stories. End product reports for the pols are carefully shaped to shed as little light as possible about the sources and techniques used to garner that intelligence.OldKingCole said:
Sometimes it's necessary to show a bit of ankle, but we're used to disseminating intelligence to parties who might be allies (coalition members, the French, the Israelis) but who we don't necessarily trust.
Of course, sometimes the content might be such (report on discussions of a small meeting) that could reduce the number of suspects considerably.
So the answer if it is a real concern is to share with the administration only composite intelligence assessments, rather than raw intelligence reports.
I would be amazed if it really came to that (the vast bulk of the sharing is one way and to our benefit), and would expect, even if it did, for the spooks at the working level to sort something out.0 -
Which is why Russian and Trump's demands for proof of Russian hacking are disingenuous -- what Vladimir wants to know is how to cover his tracks better next time, and whether there is a mole looking for a holiday in Siberia.John_M said:
I'm sceptical about these stories. End product reports for the pols are carefully shaped to shed as little light as possible about the sources and techniques used to garner that intelligence.OldKingCole said:
Sometimes it's necessary to show a bit of ankle, but we're used to disseminating intelligence to parties who might be allies (coalition members, the French, the Israelis) but who we don't necessarily trust.0 -
Surely there’s a picture somewhere of him shaking hands or embracing someone ..... no, not like that!DecrepitJohnL said:The golden shower scene is one allegation too far for me. There was a BBC interview with Trump (tip of the tongue lapse with the female presenter's name) which opened with a discussion of Trump not even shaking hands for fear of germs. It doesn't ring true. If there is a price on his tax returns revealing suitcases of roubles, I'd be interested.
On impeachment, I'd want to check what the bookies think the word means. Bill Clinton was impeached; Richard Nixon was not: probably the average bookmaker in the street would have it the other way round.0 -
What is the classic line from 'Dodgeball"? "Is it necessary for me to drink my own urine? No, but I do it anyway because it's sterile and I like the taste"DecrepitJohnL said:The golden shower scene is one allegation too far for me. There was a BBC interview with Trump (tip of the tongue lapse with the female presenter's name) which opened with a discussion of Trump not even shaking hands for fear of germs. It doesn't ring true. If there is a price on his tax returns revealing suitcases of roubles, I'd be interested.
On impeachment, I'd want to check what the bookies think the word means. Bill Clinton was impeached; Richard Nixon was not: probably the average bookmaker in the street would have it the other way round.
PS Not something I'd ever imagined that I would be quoting on PB
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5th Indian wicket at last. But is it too late?0
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Glad to say this latest Trump thing has passed me by.0
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Edward Boyle was Shadow Education Secretary under Heath until October 1969 when Thatcher was given the position. I recall speaking to him in the late 1970s when he brought up the subject of comprehensive schools himself. He seemed pretty passionate in his support for them0 -
I think that some Indians consider a glass of one's own fetulence to have health-giving properties.MTimT said:
What is the classic line from 'Dodgeball"? "Is it necessary for me to drink my own urine? No, but I do it anyway because it's sterile and I like the taste"DecrepitJohnL said:The golden shower scene is one allegation too far for me. There was a BBC interview with Trump (tip of the tongue lapse with the female presenter's name) which opened with a discussion of Trump not even shaking hands for fear of germs. It doesn't ring true. If there is a price on his tax returns revealing suitcases of roubles, I'd be interested.
On impeachment, I'd want to check what the bookies think the word means. Bill Clinton was impeached; Richard Nixon was not: probably the average bookmaker in the street would have it the other way round.
PS Not something I'd ever imagined that I would be quoting on PB0 -
Almost certainly. 200 run partnership at more than 8 an over. Lethal.OldKingCole said:5th Indian wicket at last. But is it too late?
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Ghandi certainly did.Sean_F said:
I think that some Indians consider a glass of one's own fetulence to have health-giving properties.MTimT said:
What is the classic line from 'Dodgeball"? "Is it necessary for me to drink my own urine? No, but I do it anyway because it's sterile and I like the taste"DecrepitJohnL said:The golden shower scene is one allegation too far for me. There was a BBC interview with Trump (tip of the tongue lapse with the female presenter's name) which opened with a discussion of Trump not even shaking hands for fear of germs. It doesn't ring true. If there is a price on his tax returns revealing suitcases of roubles, I'd be interested.
On impeachment, I'd want to check what the bookies think the word means. Bill Clinton was impeached; Richard Nixon was not: probably the average bookmaker in the street would have it the other way round.
PS Not something I'd ever imagined that I would be quoting on PB0 -
We need a couple more wickets quickly or it's going to be an easy score for the hosts.DavidL said:
Almost certainly. 200 run partnership at more than 8 an over. Lethal.OldKingCole said:5th Indian wicket at last. But is it too late?
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Say such a video appeared, how on earth would you authenticate it?0
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Only 6 an over needed now!DavidL said:
Almost certainly. 200 run partnership at more than 8 an over. Lethal.OldKingCole said:5th Indian wicket at last. But is it too late?
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How could the CIA give a guarantee with Trump appointed people in charge?SouthamObserver said:
Better for UK Intelligence not to give the names of agents. Just give code names if anything.0 -
Reminds me of a comment by Michael Flanders.justin124 said:FPT
Edward Boyle was Shadow Education Secretary under Heath until October 1969 when Thatcher was given the position. I recall speaking to him in the late 1970s when he brought up the subject of comprehensive schools himself. He seemed pretty passionate in his support for them
"Snow says that nobody can consider themselves educated who doesn't know at least the basic language of Science. I mean, things like Sir Edward Boyle's Law, for example: the greater the external pressure, the greater the volume of hot air."0 -
I really think it is too late. They bat as deep as we do. The problem for England was that there were several excellent efforts, notably Stokes, but no one went on to devastate the opposition the way that Jadhav and Kohli did.Sandpit said:
We need a couple more wickets quickly or it's going to be an easy score for the hosts.DavidL said:
Almost certainly. 200 run partnership at more than 8 an over. Lethal.OldKingCole said:5th Indian wicket at last. But is it too late?
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Apparently, eating camel excrement helps treat dysentery.OldKingCole said:
Ghandi certainly did.Sean_F said:
I think that some Indians consider a glass of one's own fetulence to have health-giving properties.MTimT said:
What is the classic line from 'Dodgeball"? "Is it necessary for me to drink my own urine? No, but I do it anyway because it's sterile and I like the taste"DecrepitJohnL said:The golden shower scene is one allegation too far for me. There was a BBC interview with Trump (tip of the tongue lapse with the female presenter's name) which opened with a discussion of Trump not even shaking hands for fear of germs. It doesn't ring true. If there is a price on his tax returns revealing suitcases of roubles, I'd be interested.
On impeachment, I'd want to check what the bookies think the word means. Bill Clinton was impeached; Richard Nixon was not: probably the average bookmaker in the street would have it the other way round.
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Doiuble-blind trial results were published where?Sean_F said:
Apparently, eating camel excrement helps treat dysentery.OldKingCole said:
Ghandi certainly did.Sean_F said:
I think that some Indians consider a glass of one's own fetulence to have health-giving properties.MTimT said:
What is the classic line from 'Dodgeball"? "Is it necessary for me to drink my own urine? No, but I do it anyway because it's sterile and I like the taste"DecrepitJohnL said:The golden shower scene is one allegation too far for me. There was a BBC interview with Trump (tip of the tongue lapse with the female presenter's name) which opened with a discussion of Trump not even shaking hands for fear of germs. It doesn't ring true. If there is a price on his tax returns revealing suitcases of roubles, I'd be interested.
On impeachment, I'd want to check what the bookies think the word means. Bill Clinton was impeached; Richard Nixon was not: probably the average bookmaker in the street would have it the other way round.
PS Not something I'd ever imagined that I would be quoting on PB0 -
Very true. Hope everyone got on the 2.6, at the innings break, for India to make the runs.DavidL said:
I really think it is too late. They bat as deep as we do. The problem for England was that there were several excellent efforts, notably Stokes, but no one went on to devastate the opposition the way that Jadhav and Kohli did.Sandpit said:
We need a couple more wickets quickly or it's going to be an easy score for the hosts.DavidL said:
Almost certainly. 200 run partnership at more than 8 an over. Lethal.OldKingCole said:5th Indian wicket at last. But is it too late?
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Always fascinating to listen to two PBers who actually know about this kind of thing...MTimT said:
Even in house. Intel product for civil servants will describe the source (sigint, imagery, humint) and if humint, will discuss the source's reliability, but not have anything which could identify the person directly.John_M said:
I'm sceptical about these stories. End product reports for the pols are carefully shaped to shed as little light as possible about the sources and techniques used to garner that intelligence.OldKingCole said:
Sometimes it's necessary to show a bit of ankle, but we're used to disseminating intelligence to parties who might be allies (coalition members, the French, the Israelis) but who we don't necessarily trust.
Of course, sometimes the content might be such (report on discussions of a small meeting) that could reduce the number of suspects considerably.
So the answer if it is a real concern is to share with the administration only composite intelligence assessments, rather than raw intelligence reports.
I would be amazed if it really came to that (the vast bulk of the sharing is one way and to our benefit), and would expect, even if it did, for the spooks at the working level to sort something out.
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6th wicket gone.Sandpit said:
Very true. Hope everyone got on the 2.6, at the innings break, for India to make the runs.DavidL said:
I really think it is too late. They bat as deep as we do. The problem for England was that there were several excellent efforts, notably Stokes, but no one went on to devastate the opposition the way that Jadhav and Kohli did.Sandpit said:
We need a couple more wickets quickly or it's going to be an easy score for the hosts.DavidL said:
Almost certainly. 200 run partnership at more than 8 an over. Lethal.OldKingCole said:5th Indian wicket at last. But is it too late?
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I had to log off but nobody disproved my contention that for living standards, Eastern Europe (perhaps I should better have said Central Europe, because I mean Czech, Hungary, East Germany, Poland etc) are the best comparators for regions north of the Watford Gap.
GDP per capita is not right, you need PPP if you are comparing living standards. Also, removing Prague from Czech is cheating.
On a different note, this looks like good viewing for a wet Sunday afternoon: Brexit economics debate at the American Economics Association, featuring both pro and anti Brexiters.
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On behalf of Mail on Sunday, Survation interviewed 1,177 UK adults online (including 1,021 in England for NHS England related questions) on attitudes to the NHS, GP services and trust in politicians relating to health.
The polling also carried a current “state of the parties” Westminster voting intention of CON 38% (-1); LAB 29% (NC); UKIP 13% (NC); LD 10% (+2); SNP 4% (-1); Green 2% (-2); Other 4% (+1) (chg. from 23rd Sept. 2016).
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I think most of us come here to tap into the expertise and perspective that this site offers. It's worth adding that even now, we don't share everything with the Yanks; that's why we continue to develop our own crypto, and UKEO is still a thing. Equally, the US has plenty of NOFORN intelligence that it will not share with anyone, even the plucky Brits.MyBurningEars said:
Always fascinating to listen to two PBers who actually know about this kind of thing...MTimT said:
Even in house. Intel product for civil servants will describe the source (sigint, imagery, humint) and if humint, will discuss the source's reliability, but not have anything which could identify the person directly.John_M said:
I'm sceptical about these stories. End product reports for the pols are carefully shaped to shed as little light as possible about the sources and techniques used to garner that intelligence.OldKingCole said:
Sometimes it's necessary to show a bit of ankle, but we're used to disseminating intelligence to parties who might be allies (coalition members, the French, the Israelis) but who we don't necessarily trust.
Of course, sometimes the content might be such (report on discussions of a small meeting) that could reduce the number of suspects considerably.
So the answer if it is a real concern is to share with the administration only composite intelligence assessments, rather than raw intelligence reports.
I would be amazed if it really came to that (the vast bulk of the sharing is one way and to our benefit), and would expect, even if it did, for the spooks at the working level to sort something out.
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It's not whether it is true.edmundintokyo said:Say such a video appeared, how on earth would you authenticate it?
It is whether people believe it.0 -
Survation and Opinium do not seem too far apart on the main parties' vote share - though disagree on LibDems.0
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Twitter suggests that Penthouse put up a reward of $1m for the video, and had has a number of replies0
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We had the same over the alleged N word videos and people willing to put up the supposed $3 million to cover the legal costs and nothing ever appeared.Scott_P said:Twitter suggests that Penthouse put up a reward of $1m for the video, and had has a number of replies
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Ooh. That was a bit silly by Jadeja.0
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7th Wicket. Too late?0
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I have just been looking at the detailed crossbreaks of the Opinium poll giving the Tories a lead of 8% across GB as a whole - representing a swing from Lab to Con of 0.7%. Interestingly the data for England shows a Tory lead of 7% - compared with 9.5% in 2015 - implying a swing from Con to Lab of 1.25% there. In Scotland the Tories lead Labour by 16% - a swing from Lab to Con of 13%! It appears to be further evidence of a strong Tory showing in Scotland distorting the GB headline figures.
The poll also shows the Tories 3% ahead of Labour in Wales - which seems a bit unlikely.0 -
How firmly does one have to insert it?Sean_F said:
Apparently, eating camel excrement helps treat dysentery.OldKingCole said:
Ghandi certainly did.Sean_F said:
I think that some Indians consider a glass of one's own fetulence to have health-giving properties.MTimT said:
What is the classic line from 'Dodgeball"? "Is it necessary for me to drink my own urine? No, but I do it anyway because it's sterile and I like the taste"DecrepitJohnL said:The golden shower scene is one allegation too far for me. There was a BBC interview with Trump (tip of the tongue lapse with the female presenter's name) which opened with a discussion of Trump not even shaking hands for fear of germs. It doesn't ring true. If there is a price on his tax returns revealing suitcases of roubles, I'd be interested.
On impeachment, I'd want to check what the bookies think the word means. Bill Clinton was impeached; Richard Nixon was not: probably the average bookmaker in the street would have it the other way round.
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Places like the Czech Republic, Slovenia, Slovakia, the Baltic States are now very prosperous.Gardenwalker said:FPT:
I had to log off but nobody disproved my contention that for living standards, Eastern Europe (perhaps I should better have said Central Europe, because I mean Czech, Hungary, East Germany, Poland etc) are the best comparators for regions north of the Watford Gap.
GDP per capita is not right, you need PPP if you are comparing living standards. Also, removing Prague from Czech is cheating.
On a different note, this looks like good viewing for a wet Sunday afternoon: Brexit economics debate at the American Economics Association, featuring both pro and anti Brexiters.
https://www.aeaweb.org/webcasts/2017/brexit.php0 -
Le Parisien says it won't be commissioning any more opinion polls on the French presidential election. They cite Brexit, Trump, and Fillon's victory in the right-wing primary. As far as I know, the only legal ban on polls is on the day of each round of voting and the preceding day.
Dates for the calendar.
21 Jan: International right-wing populist "European counter-summit" in Koblenz, Germany, hosted by Le Pen.
This is the day after Trump's inauguration. Attenders will include Matteo Salvini (Northern League), Geert Wilders (PfF), Tom Van Grieken (Vlaams Belang, Belgium), Norbert Hofer (Freedom Pary), Frauke Petry (AfD), and others of the same ilk from Denmark and Norway. Observers or others may come from the US Republicans and the Israeli Likud. Word is that Trump may speak by video link. Unclear whether Nigel Farage will attend.
Hypothesis: Le Pen sorted out some money in Trump Tower, and now we're going to find out what the money has bought.
1 Feb: Nicolas Dupont-Aignan launches his campaign
Don't underestimate this guy. He may only be at 1.5% in the polls now, but two months ago when Le Pen was at around 30% he was at around 5% and in a few polls touched 7%. If Le Pen's poll score starts climbing then his probably will too. If she gets into the second round and he doesn't then his votes will mainly go to her. If he does get into the second round - which looks very unlikely at the moment - he will win. Against Le Pen, the left would vote for him. Against another candidate, Le Pen supporters and many who respect much of Le Pen's manifesto but haven't bought into her party's detoxification will also vote for him.
4 Feb: Le Pen launches her campaign
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That's how those who ate it ended up...OldKingCole said:
Doiuble-blind trial results were published where?Sean_F said:
Apparently, eating camel excrement helps treat dysentery.OldKingCole said:
Ghandi certainly did.Sean_F said:
I think that some Indians consider a glass of one's own fetulence to have health-giving properties.MTimT said:
What is the classic line from 'Dodgeball"? "Is it necessary for me to drink my own urine? No, but I do it anyway because it's sterile and I like the taste"DecrepitJohnL said:The golden shower scene is one allegation too far for me. There was a BBC interview with Trump (tip of the tongue lapse with the female presenter's name) which opened with a discussion of Trump not even shaking hands for fear of germs. It doesn't ring true. If there is a price on his tax returns revealing suitcases of roubles, I'd be interested.
On impeachment, I'd want to check what the bookies think the word means. Bill Clinton was impeached; Richard Nixon was not: probably the average bookmaker in the street would have it the other way round.
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Yes, they have done very well since 1989.Sean_F said:
Places like the Czech Republic, Slovenia, Slovakia, the Baltic States are now very prosperous.Gardenwalker said:FPT:
I had to log off but nobody disproved my contention that for living standards, Eastern Europe (perhaps I should better have said Central Europe, because I mean Czech, Hungary, East Germany, Poland etc) are the best comparators for regions north of the Watford Gap.
GDP per capita is not right, you need PPP if you are comparing living standards. Also, removing Prague from Czech is cheating.
On a different note, this looks like good viewing for a wet Sunday afternoon: Brexit economics debate at the American Economics Association, featuring both pro and anti Brexiters.
https://www.aeaweb.org/webcasts/2017/brexit.php
But the "North" has stagnated. They have now met in the middle, give or take.
But both are still far short of the best Western European standards of living. We should aspire to better.0 -
Does anyone have any experience of holidaying in Northern Cyprus. It looks AOK to me but thought I'd ask/....0
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Parts of the North are very well-heeled, such as Cheshire, North and East Yorkshire, and Leeds. But, other cities and districts are depressed.Gardenwalker said:
Yes, they have done very well since 1989.Sean_F said:
Places like the Czech Republic, Slovenia, Slovakia, the Baltic States are now very prosperous.Gardenwalker said:FPT:
I had to log off but nobody disproved my contention that for living standards, Eastern Europe (perhaps I should better have said Central Europe, because I mean Czech, Hungary, East Germany, Poland etc) are the best comparators for regions north of the Watford Gap.
GDP per capita is not right, you need PPP if you are comparing living standards. Also, removing Prague from Czech is cheating.
On a different note, this looks like good viewing for a wet Sunday afternoon: Brexit economics debate at the American Economics Association, featuring both pro and anti Brexiters.
https://www.aeaweb.org/webcasts/2017/brexit.php
But the "North" has stagnated. They have now met in the middle, give or take.
But both are still far short of the best Western European standards of living. We should aspire to better.0 -
I presume you don't fancy a Greek holiday any time soon after that?SquareRoot said:Does anyone have any experience of holidaying in Northern Cyprus. It looks AOK to me but thought I'd ask/....
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Aren't Nicolas Dupont-Aignan and MLP fishing in the same pool? I would have thought that if he's climbing in the polls, it will be largely at Marine's expense.Dromedary said:Le Parisien says it won't be commissioning any more opinion polls on the French presidential election. They cite Brexit, Trump, and Fillon's victory in the right-wing primary. As far as I know, the only legal ban on polls is on the day of each round of voting and the preceding day.
Dates for the calendar.
21 Jan: International right-wing populist "European counter-summit" in Koblenz, Germany, hosted by Le Pen.
This is the day after Trump's inauguration. Attenders will include Matteo Salvini (Northern League), Geert Wilders (PfF), Tom Van Grieken (Vlaams Belang, Belgium), Norbert Hofer (Freedom Pary), Frauke Petry (AfD), and others of the same ilk from Denmark and Norway. Observers or others may come from the US Republicans and the Israeli Likud. Word is that Trump may speak by video link. Unclear whether Nigel Farage will attend.
Hypothesis: Le Pen sorted out some money in Trump Tower, and now we're going to find out what the money has bought.
1 Feb: Nicolas Dupont-Aignan launches his campaign
Don't underestimate this guy. He may only be at 1.5% in the polls now, but two months ago when Le Pen was at around 30% he was at around 5% and in a few polls touched 7%. If Le Pen's poll score starts climbing then his probably will too. If she gets into the second round and he doesn't then his votes will mainly go to her. If he does get into the second round - which looks very unlikely at the moment - he will win. Against Le Pen, the left would vote for him. Against another candidate, Le Pen supporters and many who respect much of Le Pen's manifesto but haven't bought into her party's detoxification will also vote for him.
4 Feb: Le Pen launches her campaign0 -
Modern ODI is just fabulous entertainment. 706 runs in a day's play, 2 centuries, close finish. Those there got their money's worth and then some.0
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Parts of the North are very well-heeled, such as Cheshire, North and East Yorkshire, and Leeds. But, other cities and districts are depressed.Gardenwalker said:
Yes, they have done very well since 1989.Sean_F said:
Places like the Czech Republic, Slovenia, Slovakia, the Baltic States are now very prosperous.Gardenwalker said:FPT:
I had to log off but nobody disproved my contention that for living standards, Eastern Europe (perhaps I should better have said Central Europe, because I mean Czech, Hungary, East Germany, Poland etc) are the best comparators for regions north of the Watford Gap.
GDP per capita is not right, you need PPP if you are comparing living standards. Also, removing Prague from Czech is cheating.
On a different note, this looks like good viewing for a wet Sunday afternoon: Brexit economics debate at the American Economics Association, featuring both pro and anti Brexiters.
https://www.aeaweb.org/webcasts/2017/brexit.php
But the "North" has stagnated. They have now met in the middle, give or take.
But both are still far short of the best Western European standards of living. We should aspire to better.
Despite it suffering a 30 year low level war, N. Ireland is wealthier than Wales: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of_Northern_Ireland.
It's had more government intervention than Wales has had.
West Germany merged with and modernised East Germany in a period of just over 20 years.
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I lived there as a kid but have not been back since partition. Bellapais, Kyrenia (including the castle), the Panhandle and St Hilarion castle are all must sees.SquareRoot said:Does anyone have any experience of holidaying in Northern Cyprus. It looks AOK to me but thought I'd ask/....
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Yes, I went to Southern Cyprus 20 years ago and they said if you go to the North, it makes getting to Greece or Southern Cyprus difficult (assuming they stamp your passport). If you want to look at the north, just go to Nicosia and look over the demarcation zone. The north is obviously less developed than the south. I enjoyed my holiday in Cyprus (south).FrancisUrquhart said:
I presume you don't fancy a Greek holiday any time soon after that?SquareRoot said:Does anyone have any experience of holidaying in Northern Cyprus. It looks AOK to me but thought I'd ask/....
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no.. Its just thatb there a v good deal on travelzoo... 339 for a wk in a4/5 star hotel.. worth consideringFrancisUrquhart said:
I presume you don't fancy a Greek holiday any time soon after that?SquareRoot said:Does anyone have any experience of holidaying in Northern Cyprus. It looks AOK to me but thought I'd ask/....
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But sadly not enough parts to compensate for the overwhelming lack of prosperity.Sean_F said:
Parts of the North are very well-heeled, such as Cheshire, North and East Yorkshire, and Leeds. But, other cities and districts are depressed.Gardenwalker said:
Yes, they have done very well since 1989.Sean_F said:
Places like the Czech Republic, Slovenia, Slovakia, the Baltic States are now very prosperous.Gardenwalker said:FPT:
I had to log off but nobody disproved my contention that for living standards, Eastern Europe (perhaps I should better have said Central Europe, because I mean Czech, Hungary, East Germany, Poland etc) are the best comparators for regions north of the Watford Gap.
GDP per capita is not right, you need PPP if you are comparing living standards. Also, removing Prague from Czech is cheating.
On a different note, this looks like good viewing for a wet Sunday afternoon: Brexit economics debate at the American Economics Association, featuring both pro and anti Brexiters.
https://www.aeaweb.org/webcasts/2017/brexit.php
But the "North" has stagnated. They have now met in the middle, give or take.
But both are still far short of the best Western European standards of living. We should aspire to better.
The reason I keep banging on about this is, of course, Brexit. Voting for Leave is correlated with being poorer, older, less educated, and "Northern".
But, going back to the Hammond interview, a hard Brexit implies an even *worse* dispensation toward the "North".
If I was giving advice to anyone under the age of 40 in, for eg, Newcastle, I'd say emigrate.0 -
Inner London is the richest area in the western world, the north has suffered from deindustrialisation but is not much different from areas like West Virginia and the industrial Midwest of the US, East Germany or southern ItalyGardenwalker said:
Yes, they have done very well since 1989.Sean_F said:
Places like the Czech Republic, Slovenia, Slovakia, the Baltic States are now very prosperous.Gardenwalker said:FPT:
I had to log off but nobody disproved my contention that for living standards, Eastern Europe (perhaps I should better have said Central Europe, because I mean Czech, Hungary, East Germany, Poland etc) are the best comparators for regions north of the Watford Gap.
GDP per capita is not right, you need PPP if you are comparing living standards. Also, removing Prague from Czech is cheating.
On a different note, this looks like good viewing for a wet Sunday afternoon: Brexit economics debate at the American Economics Association, featuring both pro and anti Brexiters.
https://www.aeaweb.org/webcasts/2017/brexit.php
But the "North" has stagnated. They have now met in the middle, give or take.
But both are still far short of the best Western European standards of living. We should aspire to better.0 -
Maybe but Hogg was the Education Secretary at the time of the 1964 election and was supportive of grammars as was the Conservative manifesto at that time, if the Tories had been re-elected circular 10/165 which Crosland introduced would never have come into beingjustin124 said:FPT
Edward Boyle was Shadow Education Secretary under Heath until October 1969 when Thatcher was given the position. I recall speaking to him in the late 1970s when he brought up the subject of comprehensive schools himself. He seemed pretty passionate in his support for them
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Plato keeps telling us how clever Trump is. Maybe she's right, choosing a Vice president worse than himself was a stroke of genius.0
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I think you can request for an insert rather than a stamp in your passport if you're worried about going to other countries. Then again, I did a day trip in North Cyprus and just a year later I went to Greece. They clearly didn't care about the North Cyprus stamp in there.SquareRoot said:
no.. Its just thatb there a v good deal on travelzoo... 339 for a wk in a4/5 star hotel.. worth consideringFrancisUrquhart said:
I presume you don't fancy a Greek holiday any time soon after that?SquareRoot said:Does anyone have any experience of holidaying in Northern Cyprus. It looks AOK to me but thought I'd ask/....
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Very sad. Immigration is not behind NHS failure. This ignorance explains both Brexit *and* why we cannot reform ourselves.Scott_P said:0 -
why is it such an issue? is it problem in Spain as I go there a fair bitMaxPB said:
I think you can request for an insert rather than a stamp in your passport if you're worried about going to other countries. Then again, I did a day trip in North Cyprus and just a year later I went to Greece. They clearly didn't care about the North Cyprus stamp in there.SquareRoot said:
no.. Its just thatb there a v good deal on travelzoo... 339 for a wk in a4/5 star hotel.. worth consideringFrancisUrquhart said:
I presume you don't fancy a Greek holiday any time soon after that?SquareRoot said:Does anyone have any experience of holidaying in Northern Cyprus. It looks AOK to me but thought I'd ask/....
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Last time I was in hospital (November) the only ‘immigrants' were the staff! Same applied when my wife was in a month later!Scott_P said:0 -
Agree entirely about immigration not being a cause. Trouble is that one of the most important reasons - an aging population - is rated very low whilst the basic failure of the whole structure of the NHS is not even mentioned.Gardenwalker said:
Very sad. Immigration is not behind NHS failure. This ignorance explains both Brexit *and* why we cannot reform ourselves.Scott_P said:0 -
EU immigrants or non EU immigrants?OldKingCole said:
Last time I was in hospital (November) the only ‘immigrants' were the staff! Same applied when my wife was in a month later!Scott_P said:0 -
If you want to keep Prague within the Czech GDP stats then you have to include the proportion of London GDP which relates to north of the Watford Gap.Gardenwalker said:FPT:
I had to log off but nobody disproved my contention that for living standards, Eastern Europe (perhaps I should better have said Central Europe, because I mean Czech, Hungary, East Germany, Poland etc) are the best comparators for regions north of the Watford Gap.
GDP per capita is not right, you need PPP if you are comparing living standards. Also, removing Prague from Czech is cheating.
On a different note, this looks like good viewing for a wet Sunday afternoon: Brexit economics debate at the American Economics Association, featuring both pro and anti Brexiters.
https://www.aeaweb.org/webcasts/2017/brexit.php
Now if you want to see some evidence about comparative living standards then go to a supermarket in Lincolnshire or South Yorkshire and you will hear the languages of Eastern Europe.
Now do you think the supermarkets of Eastern Europe have an equivalent level of British customers ?
If you want to compare PPP levels then you'll probably find that large amounts of Northern England are richer than London on account of much lower living costs.
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Yes, but our issue is that maybe 3/5 the UK population live in the equivalent of East Germany.HYUFD said:
Inner London is the richest area in the western world, the north has suffered from deindustrialisation but is not much different from areas like West Virginia and the industrial Midwest of the US, East Germany or southern ItalyGardenwalker said:
Yes, they have done very well since 1989.Sean_F said:
Places like the Czech Republic, Slovenia, Slovakia, the Baltic States are now very prosperous.Gardenwalker said:FPT:
I had to log off but nobody disproved my contention that for living standards, Eastern Europe (perhaps I should better have said Central Europe, because I mean Czech, Hungary, East Germany, Poland etc) are the best comparators for regions north of the Watford Gap.
GDP per capita is not right, you need PPP if you are comparing living standards. Also, removing Prague from Czech is cheating.
On a different note, this looks like good viewing for a wet Sunday afternoon: Brexit economics debate at the American Economics Association, featuring both pro and anti Brexiters.
https://www.aeaweb.org/webcasts/2017/brexit.php
But the "North" has stagnated. They have now met in the middle, give or take.
But both are still far short of the best Western European standards of living. We should aspire to better.
Whereas the real East Germany is just 20% of the total German population.0 -
To Sunderland?Gardenwalker said:
But sadly not enough parts to compensate for the overwhelming lack of prosperity.Sean_F said:
Parts of the North are very well-heeled, such as Cheshire, North and East Yorkshire, and Leeds. But, other cities and districts are depressed.Gardenwalker said:
Yes, they have done very well since 1989.Sean_F said:
Places like the Czech Republic, Slovenia, Slovakia, the Baltic States are now very prosperous.Gardenwalker said:FPT:
I had to log off but nobody disproved my contention that for living standards, Eastern Europe (perhaps I should better have said Central Europe, because I mean Czech, Hungary, East Germany, Poland etc) are the best comparators for regions north of the Watford Gap.
GDP per capita is not right, you need PPP if you are comparing living standards. Also, removing Prague from Czech is cheating.
On a different note, this looks like good viewing for a wet Sunday afternoon: Brexit economics debate at the American Economics Association, featuring both pro and anti Brexiters.
https://www.aeaweb.org/webcasts/2017/brexit.php
But the "North" has stagnated. They have now met in the middle, give or take.
But both are still far short of the best Western European standards of living. We should aspire to better.
The reason I keep banging on about this is, of course, Brexit. Voting for Leave is correlated with being poorer, older, less educated, and "Northern".
But, going back to the Hammond interview, a hard Brexit implies an even *worse* dispensation toward the "North".
If I was giving advice to anyone under the age of 40 in, for eg, Newcastle, I'd say emigrate.
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so Scotland's in the South ?Gardenwalker said:
But sadly not enough parts to compensate for the overwhelming lack of prosperity.Sean_F said:
Parts of the North are very well-heeled, such as Cheshire, North and East Yorkshire, and Leeds. But, other cities and districts are depressed.Gardenwalker said:
Yes, they have done very well since 1989.Sean_F said:
Places like the Czech Republic, Slovenia, Slovakia, the Baltic States are now very prosperous.Gardenwalker said:FPT:
I had to log off but nobody disproved my contention that for living standards, Eastern Europe (perhaps I should better have said Central Europe, because I mean Czech, Hungary, East Germany, Poland etc) are the best comparators for regions north of the Watford Gap.
GDP per capita is not right, you need PPP if you are comparing living standards. Also, removing Prague from Czech is cheating.
On a different note, this looks like good viewing for a wet Sunday afternoon: Brexit economics debate at the American Economics Association, featuring both pro and anti Brexiters.
https://www.aeaweb.org/webcasts/2017/brexit.php
But the "North" has stagnated. They have now met in the middle, give or take.
But both are still far short of the best Western European standards of living. We should aspire to better.
The reason I keep banging on about this is, of course, Brexit. Voting for Leave is correlated with being poorer, older, less educated, and "Northern".
But, going back to the Hammond interview, a hard Brexit implies an even *worse* dispensation toward the "North".
If I was giving advice to anyone under the age of 40 in, for eg, Newcastle, I'd say emigrate.
your analysis of Brexit is just plain wrong every region in England voted out except for London
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No, because London skews the whole picture. As someone pointed out, it's the richest part of Europe. But it does bugger all for living standards in, say, Hartlepool.another_richard said:
If you want to keep Prague within the Czech GDP stats then you have to include the proportion of London GDP which relates to north of the Watford Gap.Gardenwalker said:FPT:
I had to log off but nobody disproved my contention that for living standards, Eastern Europe (perhaps I should better have said Central Europe, because I mean Czech, Hungary, East Germany, Poland etc) are the best comparators for regions north of the Watford Gap.
GDP per capita is not right, you need PPP if you are comparing living standards. Also, removing Prague from Czech is cheating.
On a different note, this looks like good viewing for a wet Sunday afternoon: Brexit economics debate at the American Economics Association, featuring both pro and anti Brexiters.
https://www.aeaweb.org/webcasts/2017/brexit.php
Now if you want to see some evidence about comparative living standards then go to a supermarket in Lincolnshire or South Yorkshire and you will hear the languages of Eastern Europe.
Now do you think the supermarkets of Eastern Europe have an equivalent level of British customers ?
If you want to compare PPP levels then you'll probably find that large amounts of Northern England are richer than London on account of much lower living costs.
And as for Polish people in Lincolnshire, they are there for the jobs, opportunity, and the opportunity to remit valuable ££.0 -
The Greatest Show on Earth is no more. Ringling Bros. Barnum and Bailey Circus is to shut down.
http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2017/01/15/509903805/after-146-years-ringling-bros-and-barnum-bailey-circus-to-shut-down0 -
Depends on the staff grade.David_Evershed said:
EU immigrants or non EU immigrants?OldKingCole said:
Last time I was in hospital (November) the only ‘immigrants' were the staff! Same applied when my wife was in a month later!Scott_P said:0 -
But the places you compare to the North are prosperous, not poor. And, it's not really like for like to include cities like Prague, Talinn, Bratislava, etc., and their environs, which pull up the overall figures for the countries you mention, while excluding their British equivalent.Gardenwalker said:
But sadly not enough parts to compensate for the overwhelming lack of prosperity.Sean_F said:
Parts of the North are very well-heeled, such as Cheshire, North and East Yorkshire, and Leeds. But, other cities and districts are depressed.Gardenwalker said:
Yes, they have done very well since 1989.Sean_F said:
Places like the Czech Republic, Slovenia, Slovakia, the Baltic States are now very prosperous.Gardenwalker said:FPT:
I had to log off but nobody disproved my contention that for living standards, Eastern Europe (perhaps I should better have said Central Europe, because I mean Czech, Hungary, East Germany, Poland etc) are the best comparators for regions north of the Watford Gap.
GDP per capita is not right, you need PPP if you are comparing living standards. Also, removing Prague from Czech is cheating.
On a different note, this looks like good viewing for a wet Sunday afternoon: Brexit economics debate at the American Economics Association, featuring both pro and anti Brexiters.
https://www.aeaweb.org/webcasts/2017/brexit.php
But the "North" has stagnated. They have now met in the middle, give or take.
But both are still far short of the best Western European standards of living. We should aspire to better.
The reason I keep banging on about this is, of course, Brexit. Voting for Leave is correlated with being poorer, older, less educated, and "Northern".
But, going back to the Hammond interview, a hard Brexit implies an even *worse* dispensation toward the "North".
If I was giving advice to anyone under the age of 40 in, for eg, Newcastle, I'd say emigrate.
WRT Brexit, most of the South and East Anglia also voted in favour.0 -
I put quotes around "Northern" because I thought PBers wouldn't need the long form. There is a regional correlation with Brexit. The poorer the region, the more likely to vote Leave.Alanbrooke said:
so Scotland's in the South ?Gardenwalker said:
But sadly not enough parts to compensate for the overwhelming lack of prosperity.Sean_F said:
Parts of the North are very well-heeled, such as Cheshire, North and East Yorkshire, and Leeds. But, other cities and districts are depressed.Gardenwalker said:
Yes, they have done very well since 1989.Sean_F said:
Places like the Czech Republic, Slovenia, Slovakia, the Baltic States are now very prosperous.Gardenwalker said:FPT:
I had to log off but nobody disproved my contention that for living standards, Eastern Europe (perhaps I should better have said Central Europe, because I mean Czech, Hungary, East Germany, Poland etc) are the best comparators for regions north of the Watford Gap.
GDP per capita is not right, you need PPP if you are comparing living standards. Also, removing Prague from Czech is cheating.
On a different note, this looks like good viewing for a wet Sunday afternoon: Brexit economics debate at the American Economics Association, featuring both pro and anti Brexiters.
https://www.aeaweb.org/webcasts/2017/brexit.php
But the "North" has stagnated. They have now met in the middle, give or take.
But both are still far short of the best Western European standards of living. We should aspire to better.
The reason I keep banging on about this is, of course, Brexit. Voting for Leave is correlated with being poorer, older, less educated, and "Northern".
But, going back to the Hammond interview, a hard Brexit implies an even *worse* dispensation toward the "North".
If I was giving advice to anyone under the age of 40 in, for eg, Newcastle, I'd say emigrate.
your analysis of Brexit is just plain wrong every region in England voted out except for London
But I underestimated your tendency to try to make a Brextarded cheap shot.
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Mr. Walker, makes it yet more intriguing that Leeds was split almost exactly down the middle.0
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Was this a deliberate mistake by Flanders? The higher the pressure the lower the volume (neglecting things like temperature)dr_spyn said:Reminds me of a comment by Michael Flanders.
"...things like Sir Edward Boyle's Law, for example: the greater the external pressure, the greater the volume of hot air..."
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the most sceptical region is the W MidlandsGardenwalker said:
I put quotes around "Northern" because I thought PBers wouldn't need the long form. There is a regional correlation with Brexit. The poorer the region, the more likely to vote Leave.Alanbrooke said:
so Scotland's in the South ?Gardenwalker said:
But sadly not enough parts to compensate for the overwhelming lack of prosperity.Sean_F said:
Parts of the North are very well-heeled, such as Cheshire, North and East Yorkshire, and Leeds. But, other cities and districts are depressed.Gardenwalker said:
Yes, they have done very well since 1989.Sean_F said:
Places like the Czech Republic, Slovenia, Slovakia, the Baltic States are now very prosperous.Gardenwalker said:FPT:
I had to log off but nobody disproved my contention that for living standards, Eastern Europe (perhaps I should better have said Central Europe, because I mean Czech, Hungary, East Germany, Poland etc) are the best comparators for regions north of the Watford Gap.
GDP per capita is not right, you need PPP if you are comparing living standards. Also, removing Prague from Czech is cheating.
On a different note, this looks like good viewing for a wet Sunday afternoon: Brexit economics debate at the American Economics Association, featuring both pro and anti Brexiters.
https://www.aeaweb.org/webcasts/2017/brexit.php
But the "North" has stagnated. They have now met in the middle, give or take.
But both are still far short of the best Western European standards of living. We should aspire to better.
The reason I keep banging on about this is, of course, Brexit. Voting for Leave is correlated with being poorer, older, less educated, and "Northern".
But, going back to the Hammond interview, a hard Brexit implies an even *worse* dispensation toward the "North".
If I was giving advice to anyone under the age of 40 in, for eg, Newcastle, I'd say emigrate.
your analysis of Brexit is just plain wrong every region in England voted out except for London
But I underestimated your tendency to try to make a Brextarded cheap shot.
its richer than Norhern Ireland which voted remain
in your desire to advance a flawed argument your are making huge generalities without undertsanding whats happenend.
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Goddamn it! They'll be banning hoops and child chimney sweeps next!Tim_B said:The Greatest Show on Earth is no more. Ringling Bros. Barnum and Bailey Circus is to shut down.
http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2017/01/15/509903805/after-146-years-ringling-bros-and-barnum-bailey-circus-to-shut-down0 -
It is if you consider London and its hinterland a law unto itself. It operates and succeeds in a global level. It's wealth masks pathetic performance in the other 60% of the country.Sean_F said:
But the places you compare to the North are prosperous, not poor. And, it's not really like for like to include cities like Prague, Talinn, Bratislava, etc., and their environs, which pull up the overall figures for the countries you mention, while excluding their British equivalent.Gardenwalker said:
But sadly not enough parts to compensate for the overwhelming lack of prosperity.Sean_F said:
Parts of the North are very well-heeled, such as Cheshire, North and East Yorkshire, and Leeds. But, other cities and districts are depressed.Gardenwalker said:
Yes, they have done very well since 1989.Sean_F said:
Places like the Czech Republic, Slovenia, Slovakia, the Baltic States are now very prosperous.Gardenwalker said:FPT:
I had to log off but nobody disproved my contention that for living standards, Eastern Europe (perhaps I should better have said Central Europe, because I mean Czech, Hungary, East Germany, Poland etc) are the best comparators for regions north of the Watford Gap.
GDP per capita is not right, you need PPP if you are comparing living standards. Also, removing Prague from Czech is cheating.
On a different note, this looks like good viewing for a wet Sunday afternoon: Brexit economics debate at the American Economics Association, featuring both pro and anti Brexiters.
https://www.aeaweb.org/webcasts/2017/brexit.php
But the "North" has stagnated. They have now met in the middle, give or take.
But both are still far short of the best Western European standards of living. We should aspire to better.
The reason I keep banging on about this is, of course, Brexit. Voting for Leave is correlated with being poorer, older, less educated, and "Northern".
But, going back to the Hammond interview, a hard Brexit implies an even *worse* dispensation toward the "North".
If I was giving advice to anyone under the age of 40 in, for eg, Newcastle, I'd say emigrate.
WRT Brexit, most of the South and East Anglia also voted in favour.
WRT Brexit, I am talking correlation not binary outcome. The poorer the region, the more likely to vote Brexit.
Not sure why this is controversial, except perhaps that Brexiters on here may resent being lumped in with the less educated, poorer voters.
But it's true.0 -
It was the introduction to a song about the laws of thermodynamics.viewcode said:
Was this a deliberate mistake by Flanders? The higher the pressure the lower the volume (neglecting things like temperature)dr_spyn said:Reminds me of a comment by Michael Flanders.
"...things like Sir Edward Boyle's Law, for example: the greater the external pressure, the greater the volume of hot air..."
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VnbiVw_1FNs0 -
No they don't, the majority of the UK population lives in London, the South or ScotlandGardenwalker said:
Yes, but our issue is that maybe 3/5 the UK population live in the equivalent of East Germany.HYUFD said:
Inner London is the richest area in the western world, the north has suffered from deindustrialisation but is not much different from areas like West Virginia and the industrial Midwest of the US, East Germany or southern ItalyGardenwalker said:
Yes, they have done very well since 1989.Sean_F said:
Places like the Czech Republic, Slovenia, Slovakia, the Baltic States are now very prosperous.Gardenwalker said:FPT:
I had to log off but nobody disproved my contention that for living standards, Eastern Europe (perhaps I should better have said Central Europe, because I mean Czech, Hungary, East Germany, Poland etc) are the best comparators for regions north of the Watford Gap.
GDP per capita is not right, you need PPP if you are comparing living standards. Also, removing Prague from Czech is cheating.
On a different note, this looks like good viewing for a wet Sunday afternoon: Brexit economics debate at the American Economics Association, featuring both pro and anti Brexiters.
https://www.aeaweb.org/webcasts/2017/brexit.php
But the "North" has stagnated. They have now met in the middle, give or take.
But both are still far short of the best Western European standards of living. We should aspire to better.
Whereas the real East Germany is just 20% of the total German population.0 -
No. I am listing the variables which have been identified as correlated with Brexit.Alanbrooke said:
the most sceptical region is the W MidlandsGardenwalker said:
I put quotes around "Northern" because I thought PBers wouldn't need the long form. There is a regional correlation with Brexit. The poorer the region, the more likely to vote Leave.Alanbrooke said:
so Scotland's in the South ?Gardenwalker said:
But sadly not enough parts to compensate for the overwhelming lack of prosperity.Sean_F said:
Parts of the North are very well-heeled, such as Cheshire, North and East Yorkshire, and Leeds. But, other cities and districts are depressed.Gardenwalker said:
Yes, they have done very well since 1989.Sean_F said:
Places like the Czech Republic, Slovenia, Slovakia, the Baltic States are now very prosperous.Gardenwalker said:FPT:
I had to log off but nobody disproved my contention that for living standards, Eastern Europe (perhaps I should better have said Central Europe, because I mean Czech, Hungary, East Germany, Poland etc) are the best comparators for regions north of the Watford Gap.
GDP per capita is not right, you need PPP if you are comparing living standards. Also, removing Prague from Czech is cheating.
On a different note, this looks like good viewing for a wet Sunday afternoon: Brexit economics debate at the American Economics Association, featuring both pro and anti Brexiters.
https://www.aeaweb.org/webcasts/2017/brexit.php
But the "North" has stagnated. They have now met in the middle, give or take.
But both are still far short of the best Western European standards of living. We should aspire to better.
The reason I keep banging on about this is, of course, Brexit. Voting for Leave is correlated with being poorer, older, less educated, and "Northern".
But, going back to the Hammond interview, a hard Brexit implies an even *worse* dispensation toward the "North".
If I was giving advice to anyone under the age of 40 in, for eg, Newcastle, I'd say emigrate.
your analysis of Brexit is just plain wrong every region in England voted out except for London
But I underestimated your tendency to try to make a Brextarded cheap shot.
its richer than Norhern Ireland which voted remain
in your desire to advance a flawed argument your are making huge generalities without undertsanding whats happenend.
I haven't, as an aside, listed "white". Ethnicity was less of an indicator that perhaps many Remainers think it was.0 -
Unfortunately, thanks to global warming, the demand for child chimney sweeps is way down. How will they improve their lot now?viewcode said:
Goddamn it! They'll be banning hoops and child chimney sweeps next!Tim_B said:The Greatest Show on Earth is no more. Ringling Bros. Barnum and Bailey Circus is to shut down.
http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2017/01/15/509903805/after-146-years-ringling-bros-and-barnum-bailey-circus-to-shut-down
They have shows in Atlanta and Duluth in Feb - Mar. I feel a family circus trip coming on, even without the elephants.
As a kid I remember frequently going to Blackpool Tower Circus.0 -
All this talk about UK poverty puzzles me. People aren't rational economic robots. I would imagine that many Londoners would hate it here in the Wye valley. it's one of the richer areas of Wales, but if you shifted the border a couple of miles west, we'd be one of the poorest areas in England.
However, I love it here. It's clean, uncrowded, relatively inexpensive and beautiful. I used to work in Holborn: I chose to be a country mouse, and sacrificed the restaurants and culture of the city for a simpler, poorer life and a better environment for my children. Plenty of people like me, all over the country.0 -
Nothing wrong with it. It's just that in a roundabout way, the public services in the Wye Valley are subsidised by the poor hamsters on a wheel back in Holborn.John_M said:All this talk about UK poverty puzzles me. People aren't rational economic robots. I would imagine that many Londoners would hate it here in the Wye valley. it's one of the richer areas of Wales, but if you shifted the border a couple of miles west, we'd be one of the poorest areas in England.
However, I love it here. It's clean, uncrowded, relatively inexpensive and beautiful. I used to work in Holborn: I chose to be a country mouse, and sacrificed the restaurants and culture of the city for a simpler, poorer life and a better environment for my children. Plenty of people like me, all over the country.0 -
The original allegation is that Trump choreographed and spectated at a floor show by the girls, not that he participated in it. There are 2 things about the distinction. First, judging by a night out on the Reeperbahn (as a guest of a Hamburg client, not by personal choice) people don't seem to mind being seen to be spectators of stuff which they certainly wouldn't want to be thought to participate in. Secondly it makes producing satisfactory video quite difficult. This is a big room (It is part of the presidential suite) Unless the whole thing is covered by one fisheye lens (and I have no idea whether that is technically achievable) it's unlikely you would get Trump and the action in the same shot, and cutting between 2 cameras doesn't have much impact.0
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the variables you list have yet to be properly examinedGardenwalker said:
No. I am listing the variables which have been identified as correlated with Brexit.Alanbrooke said:
the most sceptical region is the W MidlandsGardenwalker said:
I put quotes around "Northern" because I thought PBers wouldn't need the long form. There is a regional correlation with Brexit. The poorer the region, the more likely to vote Leave.Alanbrooke said:
so Scotland's in the South ?Gardenwalker said:
But sadly not enough pa the "North".Sean_F said:
Parts of the North are very well-heeled, such as Cheshire, North and East Yorkshire, and Leeds. But, other cities and districts are depressed.Gardenwalker said:
Yes, they have done very well since 1989.n the middle, give or take.Sean_F said:
Places like the Czech Republic, Slovenia, Slovakia, the Baltic States are now very prosperous.Gardenwalker said:FPT:
I had to log off but nobody disproved my contention that for living standards, Eastern Europe (perhaps I should better have said Central Europe, because I mean Czech, Hungary, East Germany, Poland etc) are the best comparators for regions north of the Watford Gap.
GDP per capita is not right, you need PPP if you are comparing living standards. Also, removing Prague from Czech is cheating.
On a different note, this looks like good viewing for a wet Sunday afternoon: Brexit economics debate at the American Economics Association, featuring both pro and anti Brexiters.
https://www.aeaweb.org/webcasts/2017/brexit.php
But both are still far short of the best Western European standards of living. We should aspire to better.
If I was giving advice to anyone under the age of 40 in, for eg, Newcastle, I'd say emigrate.
your analysis of Brexit is just plain wrong every region in England voted out except for London
But I underestimated your tendency to try to make a Brextarded cheap shot.
its richer than Norhern Ireland which voted remain
in your desire to advance a flawed argument your are making huge generalities without undertsanding whats happenend.
I haven't, as an aside, listed "white". Ethnicity was less of an indicator that perhaps many Remainers think it was.
the daft argument that the uneducated voted out ignores the fact that so did the old.
my parents generation maybe had 5% of people go to uni
my generation maybe 25%
my kids 50%
education in this instance is a meaningless measure except that we can note the old and ignorant know how to vote and the young and educated appear not to.0 -
Does anyone else find the following interesting -
1) Information stolen from the DNC/Hillary Clinton was published to influence the American election. This was done by Russian intelligence. This is bad.
2) Information has been provided by Russian intelligence to a private spook outfit, paid by the opponents of Donald Trump, to influence American politics. This is good.0 -
If you exclude capital cities, and the most prosperous regions, from countries, you get lower overall numbers for GDP per head.Gardenwalker said:
It is if you consider London and its hinterland a law unto itself. It operates and succeeds in a global level. It's wealth masks pathetic performance in the other 60% of the country.Sean_F said:
But the places you compare to the North are prosperous, not poor. And, it's not really like for like to include cities like Prague, Talinn, Bratislava, etc., and their environs, which pull up the overall figures for the countries you mention, while excluding their British equivalent.Gardenwalker said:
But sadly not enough parts to compensate for the overwhelming lack of prosperity.Sean_F said:
Parts of the North are very well-heeled, such as Cheshire, North and East Yorkshire, and Leeds. But, other cities and districts are depressed.Gardenwalker said:
Yes, they have done verySean_F said:
Places like the Czech Republic, Slovenia, Slovakia, the Baltic States are now very prosperous.Gardenwalker said:FPT:
I had to log off but nobody disproved my contention that for living standards, Eastern Europe (perhaps I should better have said Central Europe, because I mean Czech, Hungary, East Germany, Poland etc) are the best comparators for regions north of the Watford Gap.
GDP per capita is not right, you need PPP if you are comparing living standards. Also, removing Prague from Czech is cheating.
On a different note, this looks like good viewing for a wet Sunday afternoon: Brexit economics debate at the American Economics Association, featuring both pro and anti Brexiters.
https://www.aeaweb.org/webcasts/2017/brexit.php
But both are still far short of the best Western European standards of living. We should aspire to better.
The reason I keep banging on about this is, of course, Brexit. Voting for Leave is correlated with being poorer, older, less educated, and "Northern".
But, going back an even *
If I was giving advice to anyone under the age of 40 in, for eg, Newcastle, I'd say emigrate.
WRT Brexit, most of the South and East Anglia also voted in favour.
WRT Brexit, I am talking correlation not binary outcome. The poorer the region, the more likely to vote Brexit.
Not sure why this is controversial, except perhaps that Brexiters on here may resent being lumped in with the less educated, poorer voters.
But it's true.
France is notably worse without Greater Paris; Holland is notably worse without Greater Amsterdam; Italy is notably worse without Lombardy and Venezia; Spain is notably worse without Madrid and Catalonia; and so on.0
