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Yup.FrancisUrquhart said:
I think that is fine but her behaviour is that of a teenager not getting her way. Rabb was very sensible & she spent the whole time huffing.Mortimer said:
She is really angry, it seems.FrancisUrquhart said:
She is a lecturer at a London university.Mortimer said:Who is the anti-Trump American woman on the panel?
Incidentally, I'm finding my mates-who-moved-to-America are FAR angrier than my born-American mates. Most amusing.0 -
Some of the libertarian Brexit outriders have been going on about CANZUK (i.e. that lot minus the US) for years. I don't suppose that it's impossible, but I'll believe it when I see it.rkrkrk said:
Okay... so that would be UK, Canada, USA, Australia, New Zealand?chestnut said:
I doubt very much that the Europeans will play ball - the currency and defence/historic issues are major obstacles.rkrkrk said:
A new free trade area between Canada, USA and UK and other Western European countries like France, Germany, Spain, Italy etc.chestnut said:
On what?rkrkrk said:
Care to wager on that?chestnut said:I am starting to feel for those who have spent every day since May 2015 searching for bad news. They thought June would be it, but it seems not.
The churlishness has gone up a notch in the last 24 hours. It appears that some feel threatened and can probably see a successful Brexit.
My guess is that a new free trade area that excludes Mexico (min. wage $4 an hour), Bulgaria and Romania etc (€2 an hour) will very soon appear. The forward path is becoming obvious.
The move will be to a free trade area where host nation wages become a factor...
That's what you meant right? Apologies if I misunderstood.
I suspect that we will see an Anglosphere drive though. Trump makes the US seem more probable as a participant.0 -
Out of interest... what assumptions did you make?gettingbetter said:
The tricky one is the Trump 47% market, I had another attempt at calculating it and got about 46.96%, it's very close to be sure.gettingbetter said:
Did you assume late votes will be equal trump v. clinton split as those already gone?
I'm trying to spreadsheet it at the moment using CNN figures but must be making a mistake as I can't make the totals add up...0 -
@FrancisUrquhart
'Mortimer">I see Mrs Balls is has a season ticket for the US outrage bus as well as the British outrage bus...
She is going to burst a blood vessel.'
Maybe housing Syrian refugees is too stressful for her.
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This blonde American lady seems like she is about to cry.0
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The republican lady again is actually again speaking calmly and making sensible points despite not liking trump...lecturer lady just having a petulant teenage breakdown.0
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Michigan will surely put Trump over the 47% mark. WTF are they doing there and NH? How many recounts do they need to make a choice?gettingbetter said:
The tricky one is the Trump 47% market, I had another attempt at calculating it and got about 46.96%, it's very close to be sure.gettingbetter said:0 -
Agreed. That's why I'm keen to bet on it!Black_Rook said:
Some of the libertarian Brexit outriders have been going on about CANZUK (i.e. that lot minus the US) for years. I don't suppose that it's impossible, but I'll believe it when I see it.rkrkrk said:
Okay... so that would be UK, Canada, USA, Australia, New Zealand?chestnut said:
I doubt very much that the Europeans will play ball - the currency and defence/historic issues are major obstacles.rkrkrk said:
A new free trade area between Canada, USA and UK and other Western European countries like France, Germany, Spain, Italy etc.chestnut said:
On what?rkrkrk said:
Care to wager on that?chestnut said:I am starting to feel for those who have spent every day since May 2015 searching for bad news. They thought June would be it, but it seems not.
The churlishness has gone up a notch in the last 24 hours. It appears that some feel threatened and can probably see a successful Brexit.
My guess is that a new free trade area that excludes Mexico (min. wage $4 an hour), Bulgaria and Romania etc (€2 an hour) will very soon appear. The forward path is becoming obvious.
The move will be to a free trade area where host nation wages become a factor...
That's what you meant right? Apologies if I misunderstood.
I suspect that we will see an Anglosphere drive though. Trump makes the US seem more probable as a participant.
Particularly given the comment that it would "very soon appear".0 -
How do they manage to find a British audience full of people who can repeat Democratic talking points?0
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Watching the delightful Dr. Alice Roberts on BBC4
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The more I see of pro-HRCites, the less surprised I am by this result.FrancisUrquhart said:The republican lady again is actually again speaking calmly and making sensible points despite not liking trump...lecturer lady just having a petulant teenage breakdown.
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Labour hold Wandsworth Queenstown0
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Rabb is easily the best on here...trying to answer the question by adding some value rather than having a temper tantrum.0
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How come you're a REMAINER yet an avid Trump fan?williamglenn said:How do they manage to find a British audience full of people who can repeat Democratic talking points?
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It's the BBC.williamglenn said:How do they manage to find a British audience full of people who can repeat Democratic talking points?
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Was Margaret Thatcher judged by "different standards" ?0
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If Raab C Nesbitt is on, it might be worth tuning in.FrancisUrquhart said:Rabb is easily the best on here...trying to answer the question by adding some value rather than having a temper tantrum.
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Best video on the left's attitude to Trump (and Brexit) yet
https://www.facebook.com/JonathanPieReporter/?hc_ref=NEWSFEED&fref=nf0 -
I seemed to remember they didn't half bang on about trumps hair and being a fatty fatty bum bum.0
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How do you think the British electorate would have voted on Clinton vs. Trump?williamglenn said:How do they manage to find a British audience full of people who can repeat Democratic talking points?
Probably 90% Clinton. Among those interested in politics I'd bump that up to 95%....0 -
Wandsworth - Queenstown
Lab 1551
Con 987
Lib Dem 249
Green 122
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This woman is deranged.0
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rkrkrk said:
How do you think the British electorate would have voted on Clinton vs. Trump?williamglenn said:How do they manage to find a British audience full of people who can repeat Democratic talking points?
Probably 90% Clinton. Among those interested in politics I'd bump that up to 95%....
What is it about your nom de plume that erkerkerks me?rkrkrk said:
How do you think the British electorate would have voted on Clinton vs. Trump?williamglenn said:How do they manage to find a British audience full of people who can repeat Democratic talking points?
Probably 90% Clinton. Among those interested in politics I'd bump that up to 95%....0 -
Trump is not going to do any trade deal with SouthEast Asia or Latin AmericaAlistair said:
What could be changed about TPP to make out better for America?HYUFD said:
The UK imports 9% of its imported goods from the US, a deal with a friendly UK could also be fairly easy to do compared to others on the table and one of the few Trump is likely to have much interest in doing, the others being probably with Israel and Australia and maybe Japanrcs1000 said:
That's my point. If TPP isn't good enough for the US, what trade deal is…?HYUFD said:
Trump has already said he will not sign TPPrcs1000 said:
I'm intrigued to know what deal could be better for the US, than TPP is.HYUFD said:Jon Sopel says Trump was 'inspired by Brexit' and saw a path to victory as a result, he was in Scotland the day after the vote. An interview with Trump's trade adviser also confirms a Trump US will seek to do a trade deal with the 'like minded UK' before the EU
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Lab 1551 Con 987 LD 249 Green 122MarkSenior said:Labour hold Wandsworth Queenstown
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At least you don't have to listen to her for hours a week...some poor sods are going to have to! She doesn't want to listen to anything.MaxPB said:This woman is deranged.
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TPP also includes Peru, Vietnam and Mexico, none of whom Trump will include in any free trade dealrcs1000 said:
That is who TPP is with: Australia, Japan, New Zealand, and South Korea. It opens up 99% of those markets for US firms, against only 85% in return. It enforces US trade standards on these countries. It requires these countries to keep intellectual property laws in lock step with the US. And it has enforcement through US ISDS tribunals.HYUFD said:
The UK imports 9% of its imported goods from the US, a deal with a friendly UK could also be fairly easy to do compared to others on the table and one of the few Trump is likely to have much interest in doing, the others being probably with Israel and Australia and maybe Japanrcs1000 said:
That's my point. If TPP isn't good enough for the US, what trade deal is…?HYUFD said:
Trump has already said he will not sign TPPrcs1000 said:
I'm intrigued to know what deal could be better for the US, than TPP is.HYUFD said:Jon Sopel says Trump was 'inspired by Brexit' and saw a path to victory as a result, he was in Scotland the day after the vote. An interview with Trump's trade adviser also confirms a Trump US will seek to do a trade deal with the 'like minded UK' before the EU
There will never be a more favourable trade deal for the US than the TPP. It's with friendly countries, who have strategic interests in common with the US.
if TPP doesn't work for the US, why should a deal with the UK?
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Sorry!MikeK said:rkrkrk said:
How do you think the British electorate would have voted on Clinton vs. Trump?williamglenn said:How do they manage to find a British audience full of people who can repeat Democratic talking points?
Probably 90% Clinton. Among those interested in politics I'd bump that up to 95%....
What is it about your nom de plume that erkerkerks me?rkrkrk said:
How do you think the British electorate would have voted on Clinton vs. Trump?williamglenn said:How do they manage to find a British audience full of people who can repeat Democratic talking points?
Probably 90% Clinton. Among those interested in politics I'd bump that up to 95%....0 -
Nowhere near that, maybe about 60 - 40 Clinton.rkrkrk said:
How do you think the British electorate would have voted on Clinton vs. Trump?williamglenn said:How do they manage to find a British audience full of people who can repeat Democratic talking points?
Probably 90% Clinton. Among those interested in politics I'd bump that up to 95%....0 -
So when Lord Farage sells us out as the 51st state, we might swing the electoral collage Math.houndtang said:
Nowhere near that, maybe about 60 - 40 Clinton.rkrkrk said:
How do you think the British electorate would have voted on Clinton vs. Trump?williamglenn said:How do they manage to find a British audience full of people who can repeat Democratic talking points?
Probably 90% Clinton. Among those interested in politics I'd bump that up to 95%....0 -
Yvette cooper just dug her own hole there...trying to make a petty point.0
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I wouldn't rely on any opinion polls for that.houndtang said:
Nowhere near that, maybe about 60 - 40 Clinton.rkrkrk said:
How do you think the British electorate would have voted on Clinton vs. Trump?williamglenn said:How do they manage to find a British audience full of people who can repeat Democratic talking points?
Probably 90% Clinton. Among those interested in politics I'd bump that up to 95%....
The shy Trump vote here would be absolubtely massive.0 -
Will we get offered a similar deal? forcing competitive tendering by US corporations, adjudicated by courts that we cannot control.rcs1000 said:
That is who TPP is with: Australia, Japan, New Zealand, and South Korea. It opens up 99% of those markets for US firms, against only 85% in return. It enforces US trade standards on these countries. It requires these countries to keep intellectual property laws in lock step with the US. And it has enforcement through US ISDS tribunals.HYUFD said:
The UK imports 9% of its imported goods from the US, a deal with a friendly UK could also be fairly easy to do compared to others on the table and one of the few Trump is likely to have much interest in doing, the others being probably with Israel and Australia and maybe Japanrcs1000 said:
That's my point. If TPP isn't good enough for the US, what trade deal is…?HYUFD said:
Trump has already said he will not sign TPPrcs1000 said:
I'm intrigued to know what deal could be better for the US, than TPP is.HYUFD said:Jon Sopel says Trump was 'inspired by Brexit' and saw a path to victory as a result, he was in Scotland the day after the vote. An interview with Trump's trade adviser also confirms a Trump US will seek to do a trade deal with the 'like minded UK' before the EU
There will never be a more favourable trade deal for the US than the TPP. It's with friendly countries, who have strategic interests in common with the US.
if TPP doesn't work for the US, why should a deal with the UK?
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Stupid woman.0
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Shut up about trumps hair...0
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Perhaps that could be Sturgeon's backup post-independence plan. Expand Trump Turnberry into Trumpland.Jonathan said:So when Lord Farage sells us out as the 51st state, we might swing the electoral collage Math.
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This poll suggested 49 - 12 apparently... with presumably a lot of undecideds...houndtang said:
Nowhere near that, maybe about 60 - 40 Clinton.rkrkrk said:
How do you think the British electorate would have voted on Clinton vs. Trump?williamglenn said:How do they manage to find a British audience full of people who can repeat Democratic talking points?
Probably 90% Clinton. Among those interested in politics I'd bump that up to 95%....
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/nov/06/tenth-of-britons-back-donald-trump-for-president-while-half-back-hillary-clinton0 -
75 seats in the House!Jonathan said:
So when Lord Farage sells us out as the 51st state, we might swing the electoral collage Math.houndtang said:
Nowhere near that, maybe about 60 - 40 Clinton.rkrkrk said:
How do you think the British electorate would have voted on Clinton vs. Trump?williamglenn said:How do they manage to find a British audience full of people who can repeat Democratic talking points?
Probably 90% Clinton. Among those interested in politics I'd bump that up to 95%....
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Sunil060902/sandbox0 -
Man, you watch the BBC (and indeed other media) these days and it's like being in a parallel universe.0
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Sure, but Mexico and the US already have a free trade agreement (NAFTA), and the TPP is subsidiary to that (that is, when there is conflict between the provisions, the NAFTA ones take precedence). And Peru and Vietnam account for well under one percent of US trade, and score almost zero on the MIT Trade Correlation Index. (I.e., they export almost nothing to each other that is domestically produced.)HYUFD said:
TPP also includes Peru, Vietnam and Mexico, none of whom Trump will include in any free trade dealrcs1000 said:
That is who TPP is with: Australia, Japan, New Zealand, and South Korea. It opens up 99% of those markets for US firms, against only 85% in return. It enforces US trade standards on these countries. It requires these countries to keep intellectual property laws in lock step with the US. And it has enforcement through US ISDS tribunals.HYUFD said:
The UK imports 9% of its imported goods from the US, a deal with a friendly UK could also be fairly easy to do compared to others on the table and one of the few Trump is likely to have much interest in doing, the others being probably with Israel and Australia and maybe Japanrcs1000 said:
That's my point. If TPP isn't good enough for the US, what trade deal is…?HYUFD said:
Trump has already said he will not sign TPPrcs1000 said:
I'm intrigued to know what deal could be better for the US, than TPP is.HYUFD said:Jon Sopel says Trump was 'inspired by Brexit' and saw a path to victory as a result, he was in Scotland the day after the vote. An interview with Trump's trade adviser also confirms a Trump US will seek to do a trade deal with the 'like minded UK' before the EU
There will never be a more favourable trade deal for the US than the TPP. It's with friendly countries, who have strategic interests in common with the US.
if TPP doesn't work for the US, why should a deal with the UK?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trans-Pacific_Partnership0 -
Stupid stunt comes back to bite her own the arse....0
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Who let the taxi driver in?0
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You are looking at TPP terms, which given Trump is ripping up that deal is rather pointless, the US is the largest destination for UK exports, of course we want a trade deal with themfoxinsoxuk said:
Will we get offered a similar deal? forcing competitive tendering by US corporations, adjudicated by courts that we cannot control.rcs1000 said:
That is who TPP is with: Australia, Japan, New Zealand, and South Korea. It opens up 99% of those markets for US firms, against only 85% in return. It enforces US trade standards on these countries. It requires these countries to keep intellectual property laws in lock step with the US. And it has enforcement through US ISDS tribunals.HYUFD said:
The UK imports 9% of its imported goods from the US, a deal with a friendly UK could also be fairly easy to do compared to others on the table and one of the few Trump is likely to have much interest in doing, the others being probably with Israel and Australia and maybe Japanrcs1000 said:
That's my point. If TPP isn't good enough for the US, what trade deal is…?HYUFD said:
Trump has already said he will not sign TPPrcs1000 said:
I'm intrigued to know what deal could be better for the US, than TPP is.HYUFD said:Jon Sopel says Trump was 'inspired by Brexit' and saw a path to victory as a result, he was in Scotland the day after the vote. An interview with Trump's trade adviser also confirms a Trump US will seek to do a trade deal with the 'like minded UK' before the EU
There will never be a more favourable trade deal for the US than the TPP. It's with friendly countries, who have strategic interests in common with the US.
if TPP doesn't work for the US, why should a deal with the UK?
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Shy Trumpers?rkrkrk said:
This poll suggested 49 - 12 apparently... with presumably a lot of undecideds...houndtang said:
Nowhere near that, maybe about 60 - 40 Clinton.rkrkrk said:
How do you think the British electorate would have voted on Clinton vs. Trump?williamglenn said:How do they manage to find a British audience full of people who can repeat Democratic talking points?
Probably 90% Clinton. Among those interested in politics I'd bump that up to 95%....
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/nov/06/tenth-of-britons-back-donald-trump-for-president-while-half-back-hillary-clinton0 -
I know why I virtually never watch QT these days!0
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Yougov poll said 59%-8% to Clinton. 67% though he would make a terrible president, 5% good or great. Clinton got 22% good/great, 42% average, 25% poor/teriblehoundtang said:
Nowhere near that, maybe about 60 - 40 Clinton.rkrkrk said:
How do you think the British electorate would have voted on Clinton vs. Trump?williamglenn said:How do they manage to find a British audience full of people who can repeat Democratic talking points?
Probably 90% Clinton. Among those interested in politics I'd bump that up to 95%....
http://d25d2506sfb94s.cloudfront.net/cumulus_uploads/document/vuun7hasza/Eurotrack_GB_USElection_Website.pdf0 -
Yes. But TPP is an amazing deal for the US with some of its closest allies. Why would the US say "TPP is not good enough for us, but hey Britain, have a deal that's worse for America"?HYUFD said:
You are looking at TPP terms, which given Trump is ripping up that deal is rather pointless, the US is the largest destination for UK exports, of course we want a trade deal with themfoxinsoxuk said:
Will we get offered a similar deal? forcing competitive tendering by US corporations, adjudicated by courts that we cannot control.rcs1000 said:
That is who TPP is with: Australia, Japan, New Zealand, and South Korea. It opens up 99% of those markets for US firms, against only 85% in return. It enforces US trade standards on these countries. It requires these countries to keep intellectual property laws in lock step with the US. And it has enforcement through US ISDS tribunals.HYUFD said:
The UK imports 9% of its imported goods from the US, a deal with a friendly UK could also be fairly easy to do compared to others on the table and one of the few Trump is likely to have much interest in doing, the others being probably with Israel and Australia and maybe Japanrcs1000 said:
That's my point. If TPP isn't good enough for the US, what trade deal is…?HYUFD said:
Trump has already said he will not sign TPPrcs1000 said:
I'm intrigued to know what deal could be better for the US, than TPP is.HYUFD said:Jon Sopel says Trump was 'inspired by Brexit' and saw a path to victory as a result, he was in Scotland the day after the vote. An interview with Trump's trade adviser also confirms a Trump US will seek to do a trade deal with the 'like minded UK' before the EU
There will never be a more favourable trade deal for the US than the TPP. It's with friendly countries, who have strategic interests in common with the US.
if TPP doesn't work for the US, why should a deal with the UK?
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Nice!Sunil_Prasannan said:
75 seats in the House!Jonathan said:
So when Lord Farage sells us out as the 51st state, we might swing the electoral collage Math.houndtang said:
Nowhere near that, maybe about 60 - 40 Clinton.rkrkrk said:
How do you think the British electorate would have voted on Clinton vs. Trump?williamglenn said:How do they manage to find a British audience full of people who can repeat Democratic talking points?
Probably 90% Clinton. Among those interested in politics I'd bump that up to 95%....
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However, in a reflection of both candidates’ underlying unpopularity, almost a third of respondents (32%) said they would not vote for either. <- TRUMPhoundtang said:
Shy Trumpers?rkrkrk said:
This poll suggested 49 - 12 apparently... with presumably a lot of undecideds...houndtang said:
Nowhere near that, maybe about 60 - 40 Clinton.rkrkrk said:
How do you think the British electorate would have voted on Clinton vs. Trump?williamglenn said:How do they manage to find a British audience full of people who can repeat Democratic talking points?
Probably 90% Clinton. Among those interested in politics I'd bump that up to 95%....
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/nov/06/tenth-of-britons-back-donald-trump-for-president-while-half-back-hillary-clinton0 -
Hillary would have won the UK by as big a margin as she won New York state and Massachusetts ie winning around 60%+ at least. In London and Scotland she would have won around 90%+ ie the same margin she won DC. The only places Trump would likely have won would have been parts of Essex and maybe a few industrial towns like Hartlepool and Nuneaton and seaside towns like Great Yarmouth and Blackpool and some rural parts of Yorkshirerkrkrk said:
How do you think the British electorate would have voted on Clinton vs. Trump?williamglenn said:How do they manage to find a British audience full of people who can repeat Democratic talking points?
Probably 90% Clinton. Among those interested in politics I'd bump that up to 95%....0 -
Bloody hell she's deranged.0
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Why would anyone who isn't the US sign up to TPP? I didn't vote to get rid of one master on 23rd June, to get another.rcs1000 said:
Yes. But TPP is an amazing deal for the US with some of its closest allies. Why would the US say "TPP is not good enough for us, but hey Britain, have a deal that's worse for America"?HYUFD said:
You are looking at TPP terms, which given Trump is ripping up that deal is rather pointless, the US is the largest destination for UK exports, of course we want a trade deal with themfoxinsoxuk said:
Will we get offered a similar deal? forcing competitive tendering by US corporations, adjudicated by courts that we cannot control.rcs1000 said:
That is who TPP is with: Australia, Japan, New Zealand, and South Korea. It opens up 99% of those markets for US firms, against only 85% in return. It enforces US trade standards on these countries. It requires these countries to keep intellectual property laws in lock step with the US. And it has enforcement through US ISDS tribunals.HYUFD said:
The UK imports 9% of its imported goods from the US, a deal with a friendly UK could also be fairly easy to do compared to others on the table and one of the few Trump is likely to have much interest in doing, the others being probably with Israel and Australia and maybe Japanrcs1000 said:
That's my point. If TPP isn't good enough for the US, what trade deal is…?HYUFD said:
Trump has already said he will not sign TPPrcs1000 said:
I'm intrigued to know what deal could be better for the US, than TPP is.HYUFD said:Jon Sopel says Trump was 'inspired by Brexit' and saw a path to victory as a result, he was in Scotland the day after the vote. An interview with Trump's trade adviser also confirms a Trump US will seek to do a trade deal with the 'like minded UK' before the EU
There will never be a more favourable trade deal for the US than the TPP. It's with friendly countries, who have strategic interests in common with the US.
if TPP doesn't work for the US, why should a deal with the UK?
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Evergreen tweet just rediscovered by Twitter:
https://twitter.com/MSmithsonPB/status/6404365673545687050 -
I assumed the stein and others were the same% but used the Clinton trump difference on remaining votea from the new York time site. Though theh don't seem to be updating it any more very often and others have more up to date totalsrkrkrk said:
Out of interest... what assumptions did you make?gettingbetter said:
The tricky one is the Trump 47% market, I had another attempt at calculating it and got about 46.96%, it's very close to be sure.gettingbetter said:
Did you assume late votes will be equal trump v. clinton split as those already gone?
I'm trying to spreadsheet it at the moment using CNN figures but must be making a mistake as I can't make the totals add up...0 -
Thank God only a few more minutes....MaxPB said:Bloody hell she's deranged.
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Horsham Con hold
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I don't disagree with that. My point is that the US does not do equal trade treaties. It enters into trade treaties where it controls standards and enforcement, and only then when the benefits are overwhelming. Any deal with the UK that was acceptable to Trump and Congress would not - I suspect - be acceptable to the British people.Sean_F said:
Why would anyone who isn't the US sign up to TPP? I didn't vote to get rid of one master on 23rd June, to get another.rcs1000 said:
Yes. But TPP is an amazing deal for the US with some of its closest allies. Why would the US say "TPP is not good enough for us, but hey Britain, have a deal that's worse for America"?HYUFD said:
You are looking at TPP terms, which given Trump is ripping up that deal is rather pointless, the US is the largest destination for UK exports, of course we want a trade deal with themfoxinsoxuk said:
Will we get offered a similar deal? forcing competitive tendering by US corporations, adjudicated by courts that we cannot control.rcs1000 said:
That is who TPP is with: Australia, Japan, New Zealand, and South Korea. It opens up 99% of those markets for US firms, against only 85% in return. It enforces US trade standards on these countries. It requires these countries to keep intellectual property laws in lock step with the US. And it has enforcement through US ISDS tribunals.HYUFD said:
The UK imports 9% of its imported goods from the US, a deal with a friendly UK could also be fairly easy to do compared to others on the table and one of the few Trump is likely to have much interest in doing, the others being probably with Israel and Australia and maybe Japanrcs1000 said:
That's my point. If TPP isn't good enough for the US, what trade deal is…?HYUFD said:
Trump has already said he will not sign TPPrcs1000 said:
I'm intrigued to know what deal could be better for the US, than TPP is.HYUFD said:Jon Sopel says Trump was 'inspired by Brexit' and saw a path to victory as a result, he was in Scotland the day after the vote. An interview with Trump's trade adviser also confirms a Trump US will seek to do a trade deal with the 'like minded UK' before the EU
There will never be a more favourable trade deal for the US than the TPP. It's with friendly countries, who have strategic interests in common with the US.
if TPP doesn't work for the US, why should a deal with the UK?
Take back control, my arse!0 -
Class.Tissue_Price said:Evergreen tweet just rediscovered by Twitter:
https://twitter.com/MSmithsonPB/status/6404365673545687050 -
See the polls are right.rcs1000 said:
Class.Tissue_Price said:Evergreen tweet just rediscovered by Twitter:
https://twitter.com/MSmithsonPB/status/6404365673545687050 -
I think she didn't realise that none of use had a vote.FrancisUrquhart said:
Thank God only a few more minutes....MaxPB said:Bloody hell she's deranged.
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What is annoying with people like that is they don't want to listen to any view different from their own. Rabb was trying to be pragmatic, diplomatic and sensible and she just huffed and puffed like a child when he spoke.MaxPB said:
I think she didn't realise that none of use had a vote.FrancisUrquhart said:
Thank God only a few more minutes....MaxPB said:Bloody hell she's deranged.
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The British people voted for Brexit, they knew they needed to do deals elsewhere, the US is the largest destination for UK exportsrcs1000 said:
I don't disagree with that. My point is that the US does not do equal trade treaties. It enters into trade treaties where it controls standards and enforcement, and only then when the benefits are overwhelming. Any deal with the UK that was acceptable to Trump and Congress would not - I suspect - be acceptable to the British people.Sean_F said:
Why would anyone who isn't the US sign up to TPP? I didn't vote to get rid of one master on 23rd June, to get another.rcs1000 said:
Yes. But TPP is an amazing deal for the US with some of its closest allies. Why would the US say "TPP is not good enough for us, but hey Britain, have a deal that's worse for America"?HYUFD said:
Youfoxinsoxuk said:
Will we get offered a similar deal? forcing competitive tendering by US corporations, adjudicated by courts that we cannot control.rcs1000 said:
That is who TPP is with: Australia, Japan, New Zealand, and South Korea. It opens up 99% of those markets for US firms, against only 85% in return. It enforces US trade standards on these countries. It requires these countries to keep intellectual property laws in lock step with the US. And it has enforcement through US ISDS tribunals.HYUFD said:
The UK imports 9% of its imported goods from the US, a deal with a friendly UK could also be fairly easy to do compared to others on the table and one of the few Trump is likely to have much interest in doing, the others being probably with Israel and Australia and maybe Japanrcs1000 said:
That's my point. If TPP isn't good enough for the US, what trade deal is…?HYUFD said:
Trump has already said he will not sign TPPrcs1000 said:
I'm intrigued to know what deal could be better for the US, than TPP is.HYUFD said:Jon Sopel says Trump was 'inspired by Brexit' and saw a path to victory as a result, he was in Scotland the day after the vote. An interview with Trump's trade adviser also confirms a Trump US will seek to do a trade deal with the 'like minded UK' before the EU
There will never be a more favourable trade deal for the US than the TPP. It's with friendly countries, who have strategic interests in common with the US.
if TPP doesn't work for the US, why should a deal with the UK?
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No it isn't, it allows yet more cheap imports from and outsourcing to Mexico which was what Trump was raging againstrcs1000 said:
Yes. But TPP is an amazing deal for the US with some of its closest allies. Why would the US say "TPP is not good enough for us, but hey Britain, have a deal that's worse for America"?HYUFD said:
You are looking at TPP terms, which given Trump is ripping up that deal is rather pointless, the US is the largest destination for UK exports, of course we want a trade deal with themfoxinsoxuk said:
Will we get offered a similar deal? forcing competitive tendering by US corporations, adjudicated by courts that we cannot control.rcs1000 said:
That is who TPP is with: Australia, Japan, New Zealand, and South Korea. It opens up 99% of those markets for US firms, against only 85% in return. It enforces US trade standards on these countries. It requires these countries to keep intellectual property laws in lock step with the US. And it has enforcement through US ISDS tribunals.HYUFD said:
The UK imports 9% of its imported goods from the US, a deal with a friendly UK could also be fairly easy to do compared to others on the table and one of the few Trump is likely to have much interest in doing, the others being probably with Israel and Australia and maybe Japanrcs1000 said:
That's my point. If TPP isn't good enough for the US, what trade deal is…?HYUFD said:
Trump has already said he will not sign TPPrcs1000 said:
I'm intrigued to know what deal could be better for the US, than TPP is.HYUFD said:Jon Sopel says Trump was 'inspired by Brexit' and saw a path to victory as a result, he was in Scotland the day after the vote. An interview with Trump's trade adviser also confirms a Trump US will seek to do a trade deal with the 'like minded UK' before the EU
There will never be a more favourable trade deal for the US than the TPP. It's with friendly countries, who have strategic interests in common with the US.
if TPP doesn't work for the US, why should a deal with the UK?
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Sarah Palin is the obvious choice for Russian ambassador; she could work from home.0
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Trump has also suggested ripping up NAFTA, so he is not going to do a similar deal insteadrcs1000 said:
Sure, but Mexico and the US already have a free trade agreement (NAFTA), and the TPP is subsidiary to that (that is, when there is conflict between the provisions, the NAFTA ones take precedence). And Peru and Vietnam account for well under one percent of US trade, and score almost zero on the MIT Trade Correlation Index. (I.e., they export almost nothing to each other that is domestically produced.)HYUFD said:
TPP also includes Peru, Vietnam and Mexico, none of whom Trump will include in any free trade dealrcs1000 said:
That is who TPP is with: Australia, Japan, New Zealand, and South Korea. It opens up 99% of those markets for US firms, against only 85% in return. It enforces US trade standards on these countries. It requires these countries to keep intellectual property laws in lock step with the US. And it has enforcement through US ISDS tribunals.HYUFD said:
The UK imports 9% of its imported goods from the US, a deal with a friendly UK could also be fairly easy to do compared to others on the table and one of the few Trump is likely to have much interest in doing, the others being probably with Israel and Australia and maybe Japanrcs1000 said:
That's my point. If TPP isn't good enough for the US, what trade deal is…?HYUFD said:
Trump has already said he will not sign TPPrcs1000 said:
I'm intrigued to know what deal could be better for the US, than TPP is.HYUFD said:Jon Sopel says Trump was 'inspired by Brexit' and saw a path to victory as a result, he was in Scotland the day after the vote. An interview with Trump's trade adviser also confirms a Trump US will seek to do a trade deal with the 'like minded UK' before the EU
There will never be a more favourable trade deal for the US than the TPP. It's with friendly countries, who have strategic interests in common with the US.
if TPP doesn't work for the US, why should a deal with the UK?
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yep makes sensePulpstar said:
However, in a reflection of both candidates’ underlying unpopularity, almost a third of respondents (32%) said they would not vote for either. <- TRUMP</p>houndtang said:
Shy Trumpers?rkrkrk said:
This poll suggested 49 - 12 apparently... with presumably a lot of undecideds...houndtang said:
Nowhere near that, maybe about 60 - 40 Clinton.rkrkrk said:
How do you think the British electorate would have voted on Clinton vs. Trump?williamglenn said:How do they manage to find a British audience full of people who can repeat Democratic talking points?
Probably 90% Clinton. Among those interested in politics I'd bump that up to 95%....
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/nov/06/tenth-of-britons-back-donald-trump-for-president-while-half-back-hillary-clinton0 -
Hope he lumped on!rcs1000 said:
Class.Tissue_Price said:Evergreen tweet just rediscovered by Twitter:
https://twitter.com/MSmithsonPB/status/6404365673545687050 -
Even a stopped clock is right twice a daynunu said:
See the polls are right.rcs1000 said:
Class.Tissue_Price said:Evergreen tweet just rediscovered by Twitter:
https://twitter.com/MSmithsonPB/status/640436567354568705
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I wouldn't want the job of being her interpreter.IanB2 said:Sarah Palin is the obvious choice for Russian ambassador; she could work from home.
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As a member of the governing party Raab played a straight bat. Fair enough. The republican lady was reasonable I thought, lots of truth bombs that people just didn't want to listen to. On NATO her points were relevant, its time for Europe to pay up, Raab got applause for that so I'm glad the liberal audience were on board as well.FrancisUrquhart said:
What is annoying with people like that is they don't want to listen to any view different from their own. Rabb was trying to be pragmatic, diplomatic and sensible and she just huffed and puffed like a child when he spoke.MaxPB said:
I think she didn't realise that none of use had a vote.FrancisUrquhart said:
Thank God only a few more minutes....MaxPB said:Bloody hell she's deranged.
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"Will Britain ever have a black Prime Minister"
Why is this even a question ?
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Chillax, Alistair. What will be will be. You can't change it, and it's too late to adjust your position, so there's no point spending any effort, let alone emotion, on figuring out whether it will be a winner or a loser.Alistair said:STEIN PREDICTION UPDATE!!!!!!
Error in my spreadsheet. She is instead heading for 0.98%, I had accidentally projected Oregon's results with California high percentage of remaining votes to cast
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Donald Trump IMMEDIATELY shifted tone upon becoming POTUS-elect, "crooked Hillary" to "Secretary Clinton" - the Government here of course needs to do the same now.MaxPB said:
As a member of the governing party Raab played a straight bat. Fair enough. The republican lady was reasonable I thought, lots of truth bombs that people just didn't want to listen to. On NATO her points were relevant, its time for Europe to pay up, Raab got applause for that so I'm glad the liberal audience were on board as well.FrancisUrquhart said:
What is annoying with people like that is they don't want to listen to any view different from their own. Rabb was trying to be pragmatic, diplomatic and sensible and she just huffed and puffed like a child when he spoke.MaxPB said:
I think she didn't realise that none of use had a vote.FrancisUrquhart said:
Thank God only a few more minutes....MaxPB said:Bloody hell she's deranged.
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What the Hell-boy!!!viewcode said:Please let this not be a hoax
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Conservatives gain Greenwich by around 60 votes0
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It was from Southend. On Sea. In Essex. south Essex.MaxPB said:
As a member of the governing party Raab played a straight bat. Fair enough. The republican lady was reasonable I thought, lots of truth bombs that people just didn't want to listen to. On NATO her points were relevant, its time for Europe to pay up, Raab got applause for that so I'm glad the liberal audience were on board as well.FrancisUrquhart said:
What is annoying with people like that is they don't want to listen to any view different from their own. Rabb was trying to be pragmatic, diplomatic and sensible and she just huffed and puffed like a child when he spoke.MaxPB said:
I think she didn't realise that none of use had a vote.FrancisUrquhart said:
Thank God only a few more minutes....MaxPB said:Bloody hell she's deranged.
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Oops, I was wrong.MarkSenior said:Conservatives gain Greenwich by around 60 votes
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Seems majority was 38IanB2 said:0 -
Still a BBC audience.IanB2 said:
It was from Southend. On Sea. In Essex. south Essex.MaxPB said:
As a member of the governing party Raab played a straight bat. Fair enough. The republican lady was reasonable I thought, lots of truth bombs that people just didn't want to listen to. On NATO her points were relevant, its time for Europe to pay up, Raab got applause for that so I'm glad the liberal audience were on board as well.FrancisUrquhart said:
What is annoying with people like that is they don't want to listen to any view different from their own. Rabb was trying to be pragmatic, diplomatic and sensible and she just huffed and puffed like a child when he spoke.MaxPB said:
I think she didn't realise that none of use had a vote.FrancisUrquhart said:
Thank God only a few more minutes....MaxPB said:Bloody hell she's deranged.
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Other than angry taxi driver, not a lot of Only Way Is Essex cast members...MaxPB said:
Still a BBC audience.IanB2 said:
It was from Southend. On Sea. In Essex. south Essex.MaxPB said:
As a member of the governing party Raab played a straight bat. Fair enough. The republican lady was reasonable I thought, lots of truth bombs that people just didn't want to listen to. On NATO her points were relevant, its time for Europe to pay up, Raab got applause for that so I'm glad the liberal audience were on board as well.FrancisUrquhart said:
What is annoying with people like that is they don't want to listen to any view different from their own. Rabb was trying to be pragmatic, diplomatic and sensible and she just huffed and puffed like a child when he spoke.MaxPB said:
I think she didn't realise that none of use had a vote.FrancisUrquhart said:
Thank God only a few more minutes....MaxPB said:Bloody hell she's deranged.
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I swear to God if I was American I'd vote for him.Sunil_Prasannan said:
What the Hell-boy!!!viewcode said:Please let this not be a hoax
Ron Perlman for POTUS 20200 -
Just catching up with Question Time.
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Don't bother is my advice.GIN1138 said:Just catching up with Question Time.
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The bet was sound, winner or loser.Richard_Nabavi said:
Chillax, Alistair. What will be will be. You can't change it, and it's too late to adjust your position, so there's no point spending any effort, let alone emotion, on figuring out whether it will be a winner or a loser.Alistair said:STEIN PREDICTION UPDATE!!!!!!
Error in my spreadsheet. She is instead heading for 0.98%, I had accidentally projected Oregon's results with California high percentage of remaining votes to cast
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Seems majority was 38IanB2 said:
https://www.twitter.com/Royal_Greenwich/status/7968680845690880010 -
FrancisUrquhart said:
Don't bother is my advice.
Have had to turn it off... That American lady ranting and raving was too much to cope with...MaxPB said:
Don't bother mate.
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She didn't get any better...GIN1138 said:FrancisUrquhart said:
Don't bother is my advice.
Have had to turn it off... That American lady ranting and raving was too much to cope with...MaxPB said:
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It was all fake. In 2008 he was singing her praises, called her a "great Senator", a "wonderful woman", "very smart woman", "very nice person", and Bill Clinton a great President.Pulpstar said:
Donald Trump IMMEDIATELY shifted tone upon becoming POTUS-elect, "crooked Hillary" to "Secretary Clinton"
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Looked like the only one to come out of that car crash was Dom Rabb.... Wonder when Theresa will allow him back into her governments bosom?FrancisUrquhart said:
She didn't get any better...GIN1138 said:FrancisUrquhart said:
Don't bother is my advice.
Have had to turn it off... That American lady ranting and raving was too much to cope with...MaxPB said:
Don't bother mate.0
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