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Mr Owls,
It's not the trivia question that's the problem, it was her whole attitude.
"How dare you try to catch me out, you oik."
The accusation of sexism was just embarrassing. Assuming Her Highnesss was on her best behaviour for the interview, I suggest she might be best suited for a back office role.0 -
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A minor adjustment to your post. Remain didn't not choose to debate immigration. When they had to (DP in particular I recall, Newsnight, Pienaar), they simply, transparently, didn't have any kind of answer to the question. So they hesitated, tried to construct some kind of theoretically argument, and hence lost all hands down.MaxPB said:
The Clinton campaign and Remain campaign are eerily similar, even down to the Clinton campaign's strapline "Stronger Together". She is making all of the same mistakes as well, insulting the other side's voters, resorting to calling the other candidate names. It makes her look petulant. The basic problem is that the majority of the US public agree with Trump's main idea of reducing immigration and deporting illegal immigrants. Clinton can't go head to head with Trump on immigration for exactly the same reason Remain chose not to debate immigration with Leave. Again, the similarities are there for anyone to see.Casino_Royale said:
Clinton just doesn't get it. She's making all the sneering mistakes of the Remain campaign, and worse.Paul_Bedfordshire said:
Think .Casino_Royale said:T.
She still might just win, given that Trump is a US Farage (without the glamour and appeal of a Boris on his side too, as Leave did), but it could well be a very damn close run thing.
And she is basically relying on hatred for Trump, and that alone, to carry the day for her.
I think the main difference is that Leave/Remain was a referendum, it wasn't picking the PM or setting the direction of the nation for the next 4/8 years (though in many ways it has done both).
As of now, I can't see beyond a bunch of "shy" Trump supporters turning out in the rust belt and older voters in traditional GOP states doing what they have done for a lifetime which would hand Trump victory. There is a complete lack of enthusiasm for Clinton, again just as there was a lack of enthusiasm for Remain. I know a few people who campaigned for Remain, I was invited to one of their events in London, the difference with Leave was stark. Leave campaigners of all ages seemed to have boundless energy, were willing to get doors closed on them, be called names on the rare occasion and yet we all kept going even when the cause seemed hopeless. The Remain campaign, at least from the single event I went to, was basically paid activists leading a bunch of demoralised volunteers, they all had to be told their lines or read from their script (phone banking). No one seemed to know what the campaign stood for other than not losing to Nigel Farage and Boris Johnson. I get the feeling I could place the Trump and Clinton campaigns into that scenario and it would be quite true.
For those, of course, who dislike immigration.0 -
Mr. Max, he could replace Fox at Trade
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Never interrupt your opponent when he's making a mistake.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. StClare, Trump should do nothing. It's genuinely a time when masterly inactivity would be a good thing. Why distract from the media airing concerns about Clinton's health?
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Was it an old clip? Surely Boris has met him.TOPPING said:
As per the R4 clip just now, of course he didn't know, but he managed not knowing much more elegantly than La Thornberry.bigjohnowls said:
Because does anyone think Boris would knowIanB2 said:
Wot, no mention of Emily's foreign affairs pint of milk?DecrepitJohnL said:
Not much news about? Yesterday was a slow news day, at least domestically. Clinton is foreign news, gold medals are sport. The front pages are all over the place.Morris_Dancer said:Also, why did the BBC News at Ten advertise the Archers for the last few minutes last night? Bloody weird.
Plus, as one of them noted, she had brought up her foreign trip herself. It wasn't as though they were talking about the NHS and she'd then been asked about the French foreign minister.0 -
I'd rather have him as Minister for Brexit, get rid of Davis.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Max, he could replace Fox at Trade
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Thought she said ask Boris.CD13 said:Mr Owls,
It's not the trivia question that's the problem, it was her whole attitude.
"How dare you try to catch me out, you oik."
The accusation of sexism was just embarrassing. Assuming Her Highnesss was on her best behaviour for the interview, I suggest she might be best suited for a back office role.
Do you think Boris would have said something similar to "How dare you try to catch me out, you oik."
What would May have said?
Dave would have said he knew without giving the name.0 -
In which case he will do an impression of her falling.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. StClare, Trump should do nothing. It's genuinely a time when masterly inactivity would be a good thing. Why distract from the media airing concerns about Clinton's health?
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Not sure, they had a few such clips. Most handled much better than The Colonel.DecrepitJohnL said:
Was it an old clip? Surely Boris has met him.TOPPING said:
As per the R4 clip just now, of course he didn't know, but he managed not knowing much more elegantly than La Thornberry.bigjohnowls said:
Because does anyone think Boris would knowIanB2 said:
Wot, no mention of Emily's foreign affairs pint of milk?DecrepitJohnL said:
Not much news about? Yesterday was a slow news day, at least domestically. Clinton is foreign news, gold medals are sport. The front pages are all over the place.Morris_Dancer said:Also, why did the BBC News at Ten advertise the Archers for the last few minutes last night? Bloody weird.
Plus, as one of them noted, she had brought up her foreign trip herself. It wasn't as though they were talking about the NHS and she'd then been asked about the French foreign minister.0 -
Matt Chorley
I asked Team Corbyn what had gone well in his first year. This is what they said: https://t.co/er9XauywpZ https://t.co/f7qIu92t3X0 -
Mr. F, quite.0
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Boris said: "I don't know, so what?"bigjohnowls said:
Thought she said ask Boris.CD13 said:Mr Owls,
It's not the trivia question that's the problem, it was her whole attitude.
"How dare you try to catch me out, you oik."
The accusation of sexism was just embarrassing. Assuming Her Highnesss was on her best behaviour for the interview, I suggest she might be best suited for a back office role.
Do you think Boris would have said something similar to "How dare you try to catch me out, you oik."
What would May have said?
Dave would have said he knew without giving the name.
Edit: oh apologies I thought you meant about the milk. I think most others, having introduced the subject of their visit to foreign capitals, would have taken the time and trouble to know who they would be meeting.0 -
http://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/business/hinkley-style-reactor-has-serious-safety-flaw-wg50jzxhd
More bad news for Hinkley, or at least the EPR design.
Key quote:
"The reactor could be approved for use running at 1,200 or 1,000 megawatts rather than its official 1,630MW capacity, for example.
“That would be very bad for the economics of the plant,” said Stephen Thomas, an expert in nuclear energy at the University of Greenwich."0 -
It's time for Clinton's medical staff to step in and do their professional duty. She's in no fit condition to continue this dangerous farce.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. StClare, Trump should do nothing. It's genuinely a time when masterly inactivity would be a good thing. Why distract from the media airing concerns about Clinton's health?
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I wouldn't go so far as to call it a disaster, but it's not delivering the economic benefits that many people have come to expect (a rising standard of living) and is delivering some disbenefits (changes associated with mass migration, loss of status for many workers, loss of sovereignty) and it grates for the winners from the current set up to go on about how all is for the best in the best of all worlds.RochdalePioneers said:
Its a lack of comprehension that the status quo so beloved of the political establishment is a disaster for tens of millions. When you have nothing to lose - no job, no prospects - then the risk is voting for the status quo.Casino_Royale said:
Clinton just doesn't get it. She's making all the sneering mistakes of the Remain campaign, and worse.Paul_Bedfordshire said:
Think basically staying upright and lucid will be enough now.Casino_Royale said:Trump can do it, but he will need to step-up a gear and act wholly Presidential over the next 8-9 weeks to contrast himself with Clinton.
She still might just win, given that Trump is a US Farage (without the glamour and appeal of a Boris on his side too, as Leave did), but it could well be a very damn close run thing.
And she is basically relying on hatred for Trump, and that alone, to carry the day for her.
It doesn't matter if Trump says things that sound off the wall to the establishment, everything they say and do is destructive to the people who have nothing.
Grasping that unfettered free-market economics have destroyed the life chances of so many and offering an explanation and a solution (however far fetched we may see it) is how we've had the rise in non-establishment politics. Trump. Farage. Front Nationale, Podemos etc0 -
Very goodbigjohnowls said:
Thought she said ask Boris.CD13 said:Mr Owls,
It's not the trivia question that's the problem, it was her whole attitude.
"How dare you try to catch me out, you oik."
The accusation of sexism was just embarrassing. Assuming Her Highnesss was on her best behaviour for the interview, I suggest she might be best suited for a back office role.
Do you think Boris would have said something similar to "How dare you try to catch me out, you oik."
What would May have said?
Dave would have said he knew without giving the name.0 -
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Rejoice!!
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Let me be the first (of many) to link to it...
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Ian Jones
Jeremy Corbyn's first year as Labour leader, according to the polls. https://t.co/nfid1QhBr50 -
More doppelganger fun
Heather Tapper
@Conservative_VW no secret service and I took pics off tv. Not same person. Look at the ear. https://t.co/YfqQZbL2mV0 -
Mr. P, *sighs*
Most people said both campaigns were full of rubbish. Does it include Remain propaganda such as global war, and the downfall of Western civilisation?0 -
Thats some conspiracy level stuff.... but hmmmmmPlatoSaid said:More doppelganger fun
Heather Tapper
@Conservative_VW no secret service and I took pics off tv. Not same person. Look at the ear. https://t.co/YfqQZbL2mV0 -
Morning. Is the big story today not how Trump has managed to shut up for 24!hours, rather than open his mouth for the purpose of putting his foot in it?0
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It was the BBC Producers, with the pinko agenda, in the recording studio.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. L, even so, it was tosh.
Mr. Essexit, was it the Brexiteer, in the polling booth, with the ballot paper?0 -
It's all a bit conspiracy theory, but they are filling a void created by the lack of official comment from Hillary. The two photos could be of the same person, but could equally be two different people. If there is a doppelgänger though, she's the proverbial cooked bread.PlatoSaid said:More doppelganger fun
Heather Tapper
@Conservative_VW no secret service and I took pics off tv. Not same person. Look at the ear. https://t.co/YfqQZbL2mV0 -
On Friday people were saying that claims about Hillary's poor health were a conspiracy...Slackbladder said:
Thats some conspiracy level stuff.... but hmmmmmPlatoSaid said:More doppelganger fun
Heather Tapper
@Conservative_VW no secret service and I took pics off tv. Not same person. Look at the ear. https://t.co/YfqQZbL2mV 0 -
It does seem a bit strange that suddenly she's ill, to suddently she's fine, with a kid! To now 'she's got pneumonia.Sandpit said:
It's all a bit conspiracy theory, but they are filling a void created by the lack of official comment from Hillary. The two photos could be of the same person, but could equally be two different people.PlatoSaid said:More doppelganger fun
Heather Tapper
@Conservative_VW no secret service and I took pics off tv. Not same person. Look at the ear. https://t.co/YfqQZbL2mV
If she doesn't get in front of the cameras today, then even more questions are going to be asked.0 -
If the presidential election was just like brexit then the US pollsters Likely Voter screen should increase Hilary's lead over All Respondents as precious non voter who are going to go Trump this time around filtered out.
This doesn't match reality. The Washington Post poll thr gave Hilary a 8vpointnlead in the two way race gave her a 15 point lead amongst all respondents and a 10 point lead amongst Registered Voters.
Democrats have a lazy voter problem that he US polls adjust for, classic I'll say I'll vote Democrat, DNV on the day.
Now you'd be needing not just CDE Non voters to vote Trump but for them to also say they will vote Hilary to the pollsters.0 -
You'd think Boris would remember Ayrault after his various contretemps with the guy...TOPPING said:
Not sure, they had a few such clips. Most handled much better than The Colonel.DecrepitJohnL said:
Was it an old clip? Surely Boris has met him.TOPPING said:
As per the R4 clip just now, of course he didn't know, but he managed not knowing much more elegantly than La Thornberry.bigjohnowls said:
Because does anyone think Boris would knowIanB2 said:
Wot, no mention of Emily's foreign affairs pint of milk?DecrepitJohnL said:
Not much news about? Yesterday was a slow news day, at least domestically. Clinton is foreign news, gold medals are sport. The front pages are all over the place.Morris_Dancer said:Also, why did the BBC News at Ten advertise the Archers for the last few minutes last night? Bloody weird.
Plus, as one of them noted, she had brought up her foreign trip herself. It wasn't as though they were talking about the NHS and she'd then been asked about the French foreign minister.
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/jul/28/boris-johnson-set-for-talks-with-french-foreign-minister0 -
Nothing to do with the design as the last line of that article makes clear. It's a (debatable)manufacturing problem specific to the Reactor Pressure Vessel made for the EPR at Flammevale.MaxPB said:http://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/business/hinkley-style-reactor-has-serious-safety-flaw-wg50jzxhd
More bad news for Hinkley, or at least the EPR design.
Key quote:
"The reactor could be approved for use running at 1,200 or 1,000 megawatts rather than its official 1,630MW capacity, for example.
“That would be very bad for the economics of the plant,” said Stephen Thomas, an expert in nuclear energy at the University of Greenwich."
Has no bearing on Hinkley C.0 -
Pneumonia is, on the whole, contagious. Why would they think it would be reassuring to show Hillary hugging a small child on her re-emergence from the apartment??0
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No it isn'toxfordsimon said:Pneumonia is, on the whole, contagious. Why would they think it would be reassuring to show Hillary hugging a small child on her re-emergence from the apartment??
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The same manufacturing process that will be used by EDF at HPC. Time to junk it. Theresa May should tell the Chinese that we aren't going ahead because the French can't be trusted to complete it.JonathanD said:
Nothing to do with the design as the last line of that article makes clear. It's a (debatable)manufacturing problem specific to the Reactor Pressure Vessel made for the EPR at Flammevale.MaxPB said:http://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/business/hinkley-style-reactor-has-serious-safety-flaw-wg50jzxhd
More bad news for Hinkley, or at least the EPR design.
Key quote:
"The reactor could be approved for use running at 1,200 or 1,000 megawatts rather than its official 1,630MW capacity, for example.
“That would be very bad for the economics of the plant,” said Stephen Thomas, an expert in nuclear energy at the University of Greenwich."
Has no bearing on Hinkley C.0 -
According to Wikipedia it is an infectious disease.Alistair said:
No it isn'toxfordsimon said:Pneumonia is, on the whole, contagious. Why would they think it would be reassuring to show Hillary hugging a small child on her re-emergence from the apartment??
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No it isn't reassuring or no pneumonia isn't contagious?Alistair said:
No it isn'toxfordsimon said:Pneumonia is, on the whole, contagious. Why would they think it would be reassuring to show Hillary hugging a small child on her re-emergence from the apartment??
Because as the majority of cases are viral or bacterial rather than fungal or aspirational, it really is contagious0 -
Jeremy Kyle is epic right now0
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Or for them to be difficult for pollsters to reach, or to give what they consider to be a socially correct answer to interviewers which doesn't match their real views.Alistair said:If the presidential election was just like brexit then the US pollsters Likely Voter screen should increase Hilary's lead over All Respondents as precious non voter who are going to go Trump this time around filtered out.
This doesn't match reality. The Washington Post poll thr gave Hilary a 8vpointnlead in the two way race gave her a 15 point lead amongst all respondents and a 10 point lead amongst Registered Voters.
Democrats have a lazy voter problem that he US polls adjust for, classic I'll say I'll vote Democrat, DNV on the day.
Now you'd be needing not just CDE Non voters to vote Trump but for them to also say they will vote Hilary to the pollsters.0 -
No, the manufacturing process for the RPV can be quite easily changed to modify the steel carbon levels. Or if we aren't convinced by Areva, we get Japan to manufacture it or bung Sheffield Forgemaster some money and have them do it.MaxPB said:
The same manufacturing process that will be used by EDF at HPC. Time to junk it. Theresa May should tell the Chinese that we aren't going ahead because the French can't be trusted to complete it.JonathanD said:
Nothing to do with the design as the last line of that article makes clear. It's a (debatable)manufacturing problem specific to the Reactor Pressure Vessel made for the EPR at Flammevale.MaxPB said:http://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/business/hinkley-style-reactor-has-serious-safety-flaw-wg50jzxhd
More bad news for Hinkley, or at least the EPR design.
Key quote:
"The reactor could be approved for use running at 1,200 or 1,000 megawatts rather than its official 1,630MW capacity, for example.
“That would be very bad for the economics of the plant,” said Stephen Thomas, an expert in nuclear energy at the University of Greenwich."
Has no bearing on Hinkley C.0 -
Or not waste £18bn (or more if we're paying for better steelworks) on a guaranteed white elephant.JonathanD said:
No, the manufacturing process for the RPV can be quite easily changed to modify the steel carbon levels. Or if we aren't convinced by Areva, we get Japan to manufacture it or bung Sheffield Forgemaster some money and have them do it.MaxPB said:
The same manufacturing process that will be used by EDF at HPC. Time to junk it. Theresa May should tell the Chinese that we aren't going ahead because the French can't be trusted to complete it.JonathanD said:
Nothing to do with the design as the last line of that article makes clear. It's a (debatable)manufacturing problem specific to the Reactor Pressure Vessel made for the EPR at Flammevale.MaxPB said:http://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/business/hinkley-style-reactor-has-serious-safety-flaw-wg50jzxhd
More bad news for Hinkley, or at least the EPR design.
Key quote:
"The reactor could be approved for use running at 1,200 or 1,000 megawatts rather than its official 1,630MW capacity, for example.
“That would be very bad for the economics of the plant,” said Stephen Thomas, an expert in nuclear energy at the University of Greenwich."
Has no bearing on Hinkley C.0 -
The risk for Hillary - if she carries on as she has - is that her base don't turn out, whilst Trump's does.Alistair said:If the presidential election was just like brexit then the US pollsters Likely Voter screen should increase Hilary's lead over All Respondents as precious non voter who are going to go Trump this time around filtered out.
This doesn't match reality. The Washington Post poll thr gave Hilary a 8vpointnlead in the two way race gave her a 15 point lead amongst all respondents and a 10 point lead amongst Registered Voters.
Democrats have a lazy voter problem that he US polls adjust for, classic I'll say I'll vote Democrat, DNV on the day.
Now you'd be needing not just CDE Non voters to vote Trump but for them to also say they will vote Hilary to the pollsters.0 -
I thought Hillary's respiratory problems were due to Trump allergy. Not an infection.oxfordsimon said:
No it isn't reassuring or no pneumonia isn't contagious?Alistair said:
No it isn'toxfordsimon said:Pneumonia is, on the whole, contagious. Why would they think it would be reassuring to show Hillary hugging a small child on her re-emergence from the apartment??
Because as the majority of cases are viral or bacterial rather than fungal or aspirational, it really is contagious0 -
Unless Clinton was squuezing mucus straight down the girl's throat she isn't going to catch pneumonia from her.MaxPB said:
According to Wikipedia it is an infectious disease.Alistair said:
No it isn'toxfordsimon said:Pneumonia is, on the whole, contagious. Why would they think it would be reassuring to show Hillary hugging a small child on her re-emergence from the apartment??
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The two are linked, of course.Sean_F said:
I wouldn't go so far as to call it a disaster, but it's not delivering the economic benefits that many people have come to expect (a rising standard of living) and is delivering some disbenefits (changes associated with mass migration, loss of status for many workers, loss of sovereignty) and it grates for the winners from the current set up to go on about how all is for the best in the best of all worlds.RochdalePioneers said:
Its a lack of comprehension that the status quo so beloved of the political establishment is a disaster for tens of millions. When you have nothing to lose - no job, no prospects - then the risk is voting for the status quo.Casino_Royale said:
Clinton just doesn't get it. She's making all the sneering mistakes of the Remain campaign, and worse.Paul_Bedfordshire said:
Think basically staying upright and lucid will be enough now.Casino_Royale said:Trump can do it, but he will need to step-up a gear and act wholly Presidential over the next 8-9 weeks to contrast himself with Clinton.
She still might just win, given that Trump is a US Farage (without the glamour and appeal of a Boris on his side too, as Leave did), but it could well be a very damn close run thing.
And she is basically relying on hatred for Trump, and that alone, to carry the day for her.
It doesn't matter if Trump says things that sound off the wall to the establishment, everything they say and do is destructive to the people who have nothing.
Grasping that unfettered free-market economics have destroyed the life chances of so many and offering an explanation and a solution (however far fetched we may see it) is how we've had the rise in non-establishment politics. Trump. Farage. Front Nationale, Podemos etc
It makes it much easier for those who are prospering from the status quo to defend their own economic interests, and unthinkingly dismiss those who aren't, if they symbiotically attach race to it.0 -
Allergies was the story on Friday, heat stroke on Sunday morning and then by Sunday afternoon a retrospective diagnosis of pneumonia which conveniently covered her coughing attack on Friday.MonikerDiCanio said:
I thought Hillary's respiratory problems were due to Trump allergy. Not an infection.oxfordsimon said:
No it isn't reassuring or no pneumonia isn't contagious?Alistair said:
No it isn'toxfordsimon said:Pneumonia is, on the whole, contagious. Why would they think it would be reassuring to show Hillary hugging a small child on her re-emergence from the apartment??
Because as the majority of cases are viral or bacterial rather than fungal or aspirational, it really is contagious0 -
Jeremy Kyle is unwatchable.. right now!PlatoSaid said:Jeremy Kyle is epic right now
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Hilary is polling better with African Americans than Obama did. The base is solid, the difficulty is the floating voters.Casino_Royale said:
The risk for Hillary - if she carries on as she has - is that her base don't turn out, whilst Trump's does.Alistair said:If the presidential election was just like brexit then the US pollsters Likely Voter screen should increase Hilary's lead over All Respondents as precious non voter who are going to go Trump this time around filtered out.
This doesn't match reality. The Washington Post poll thr gave Hilary a 8vpointnlead in the two way race gave her a 15 point lead amongst all respondents and a 10 point lead amongst Registered Voters.
Democrats have a lazy voter problem that he US polls adjust for, classic I'll say I'll vote Democrat, DNV on the day.
Now you'd be needing not just CDE Non voters to vote Trump but for them to also say they will vote Hilary to the pollsters.0 -
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I was waiting for Gove to show his hand, and that's quite significant. Given he might have been the nucleus around which a backbench rebellion (dominated by dillusioned Cameroons) could have formed. It contrasts starkly with Morgan.MaxPB said:http://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/news/gove-will-back-plan-for-new-grammar-schools-pm3kq6d5s
Gove clearly looking to get back in the Cabinet!
May will be grateful.0 -
Betfair market has HC down from a 78% chance to a 63% chance.
Under reaction ?
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That base might not turn out for her.Alistair said:
Hilary is polling better with African Americans than Obama did. The base is solid, the difficulty is the floating voters.Casino_Royale said:
The risk for Hillary - if she carries on as she has - is that her base don't turn out, whilst Trump's does.Alistair said:If the presidential election was just like brexit then the US pollsters Likely Voter screen should increase Hilary's lead over All Respondents as precious non voter who are going to go Trump this time around filtered out.
This doesn't match reality. The Washington Post poll thr gave Hilary a 8vpointnlead in the two way race gave her a 15 point lead amongst all respondents and a 10 point lead amongst Registered Voters.
Democrats have a lazy voter problem that he US polls adjust for, classic I'll say I'll vote Democrat, DNV on the day.
Now you'd be needing not just CDE Non voters to vote Trump but for them to also say they will vote Hilary to the pollsters.0 -
Morgan looks utterly stupid this morning.Casino_Royale said:
I was waiting for Gove to show his hand, and that's quite significant. Given he might have been the nucleus around which a backbench rebellion (dominated by dillusioned Cameroons) could have formed. It contrasts starkly with Morgan.MaxPB said:http://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/news/gove-will-back-plan-for-new-grammar-schools-pm3kq6d5s
Gove clearly looking to get back in the Cabinet!
May will be grateful.0 -
A drop of 15% is about right for the incident but she was and remains too short.TGOHF said:Betfair market has HC down from a 78% chance to a 63% chance.
Under reaction ?0 -
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This not not about the campaign.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. P, *sighs*
Most people said both campaigns were full of rubbish. Does it include Remain propaganda such as global war, and the downfall of Western civilisation?
This is about how BRILLIANT everything is now we have voted.
How much control we have taken back, and exactly how much Sovereignty per head will be bestowed upon us the the 3 Brexiteers.0 -
NHS website:Alistair said:
Unless Clinton was squuezing mucus straight down the girl's throat she isn't going to catch pneumonia from her.MaxPB said:
According to Wikipedia it is an infectious disease.Alistair said:
No it isn'toxfordsimon said:Pneumonia is, on the whole, contagious. Why would they think it would be reassuring to show Hillary hugging a small child on her re-emergence from the apartment??
"...most cases of pneumonia are bacterial and aren't passed on from one person to another"0 -
Hopefully it is enough to get Gove back into Mrs. May's good graces and he takes over the Brexit brief. Davis is proving to be the disappointment that many predicted.Casino_Royale said:
I was waiting for Gove to show his hand, and that's quite significant. Given he might have been the nucleus around which a backbench rebellion (dominated by dillusioned Cameroons) could have formed. It contrasts starkly with Morgan.MaxPB said:http://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/news/gove-will-back-plan-for-new-grammar-schools-pm3kq6d5s
Gove clearly looking to get back in the Cabinet!
May will be grateful.0 -
Still feel let down by democracy Scott ? Lolza.Scott_P said:
This not not about the campaign.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. P, *sighs*
Most people said both campaigns were full of rubbish. Does it include Remain propaganda such as global war, and the downfall of Western civilisation?
This is about how BRILLIANT everything is now we have voted.
How much control we have taken back, and exactly how much Sovereignty per head will be bestowed upon us the the 3 Brexiteers.
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It is 56 days till the election. In the last month there have been (according to the errant source that is RCP) 26 National polls
Hilary Leads - 24
Ties - 1
Trump Leads - 1
With 56 days to go in the European Referendum in the previous month there had been 29 polls
Remain Leads - 16
Ties - 3
Leave Leads - 10
I can see why peopel think these votes are similar.0 -
5/2 then. 2/1 this morning.david_herdson said:0 -
She wasn't exactly a Nobel prize winner before either.tlg86 said:
Morgan looks utterly stupid this morning.Casino_Royale said:
I was waiting for Gove to show his hand, and that's quite significant. Given he might have been the nucleus around which a backbench rebellion (dominated by dillusioned Cameroons) could have formed. It contrasts starkly with Morgan.MaxPB said:http://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/news/gove-will-back-plan-for-new-grammar-schools-pm3kq6d5s
Gove clearly looking to get back in the Cabinet!
May will be grateful.0 -
What's the weather forecast for North America ? An autumnal cold snap might thin the presidential field.david_herdson said:
A drop of 15% is about right for the incident but she was and remains too short.TGOHF said:Betfair market has HC down from a 78% chance to a 63% chance.
Under reaction ?0 -
Greening for first cabinet exit?tlg86 said:
Morgan looks utterly stupid this morning.Casino_Royale said:
I was waiting for Gove to show his hand, and that's quite significant. Given he might have been the nucleus around which a backbench rebellion (dominated by dillusioned Cameroons) could have formed. It contrasts starkly with Morgan.MaxPB said:http://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/news/gove-will-back-plan-for-new-grammar-schools-pm3kq6d5s
Gove clearly looking to get back in the Cabinet!
May will be grateful.0 -
If we all predicted he would be useless (and we did) have we any right to be disappointed?MaxPB said:
Hopefully it is enough to get Gove back into Mrs. May's good graces and he takes over the Brexit brief. Davis is proving to be the disappointment that many predicted.Casino_Royale said:
I was waiting for Gove to show his hand, and that's quite significant. Given he might have been the nucleus around which a backbench rebellion (dominated by dillusioned Cameroons) could have formed. It contrasts starkly with Morgan.MaxPB said:http://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/news/gove-will-back-plan-for-new-grammar-schools-pm3kq6d5s
Gove clearly looking to get back in the Cabinet!
May will be grateful.0 -
Fox is the disappointment. He has now realised that his trade deals are going to come to nothing, and he has lined up "fat" "lazy" British business to take the blame.MaxPB said:
Hopefully it is enough to get Gove back into Mrs. May's good graces and he takes over the Brexit brief. Davis is proving to be the disappointment that many predicted.Casino_Royale said:
I was waiting for Gove to show his hand, and that's quite significant. Given he might have been the nucleus around which a backbench rebellion (dominated by dillusioned Cameroons) could have formed. It contrasts starkly with Morgan.MaxPB said:http://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/news/gove-will-back-plan-for-new-grammar-schools-pm3kq6d5s
Gove clearly looking to get back in the Cabinet!
May will be grateful.0 -
I heard Liz Truss on the radio last week, giggling away in front of a Select Committee. Out of her depth did not come even close to describing it. Just embarrassing.rottenborough said:
Greening for first cabinet exit?tlg86 said:
Morgan looks utterly stupid this morning.Casino_Royale said:
I was waiting for Gove to show his hand, and that's quite significant. Given he might have been the nucleus around which a backbench rebellion (dominated by dillusioned Cameroons) could have formed. It contrasts starkly with Morgan.MaxPB said:http://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/news/gove-will-back-plan-for-new-grammar-schools-pm3kq6d5s
Gove clearly looking to get back in the Cabinet!
May will be grateful.0 -
Where's the £350million/week, the NHS needs it now!TGOHF said:
Still feel let down by democracy Scott ? Lolza.Scott_P said:
This not not about the campaign.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. P, *sighs*
Most people said both campaigns were full of rubbish. Does it include Remain propaganda such as global war, and the downfall of Western civilisation?
This is about how BRILLIANT everything is now we have voted.
How much control we have taken back, and exactly how much Sovereignty per head will be bestowed upon us the the 3 Brexiteers.0 -
"That is a DISGRACE."DavidL said:
I heard Liz Truss on the radio last week, giggling away in front of a Select Committee. Out of her depth did not come even close to describing it. Just embarrassing.rottenborough said:
Greening for first cabinet exit?tlg86 said:
Morgan looks utterly stupid this morning.Casino_Royale said:
I was waiting for Gove to show his hand, and that's quite significant. Given he might have been the nucleus around which a backbench rebellion (dominated by dillusioned Cameroons) could have formed. It contrasts starkly with Morgan.MaxPB said:http://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/news/gove-will-back-plan-for-new-grammar-schools-pm3kq6d5s
Gove clearly looking to get back in the Cabinet!
May will be grateful.0 -
I see Biden is the third favourite, ahead of Bernie.MonikerDiCanio said:
What's the weather forecast for North America ? An autumnal cold snap might thin the presidential field.david_herdson said:
A drop of 15% is about right for the incident but she was and remains too short.TGOHF said:Betfair market has HC down from a 78% chance to a 63% chance.
Under reaction ?
Johnson, at 410, must surely be worth a pop in spite of Aleppo. If he gets into the debates, and he now might get his 15%, his odds will surely shorten.0 -
If nothing else, all the anti-democratic whining from all the right people is wonderful to see.Scott_P said:
This not not about the campaign.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. P, *sighs*
Most people said both campaigns were full of rubbish. Does it include Remain propaganda such as global war, and the downfall of Western civilisation?
This is about how BRILLIANT everything is now we have voted.
How much control we have taken back, and exactly how much Sovereignty per head will be bestowed upon us the the 3 Brexiteers.0 -
With that level of debate I can't believe remain lost.logical_song said:
Where's the £350million/week, the NHS needs it now!TGOHF said:
Still feel let down by democracy Scott ? Lolza.Scott_P said:
This not not about the campaign.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. P, *sighs*
Most people said both campaigns were full of rubbish. Does it include Remain propaganda such as global war, and the downfall of Western civilisation?
This is about how BRILLIANT everything is now we have voted.
How much control we have taken back, and exactly how much Sovereignty per head will be bestowed upon us the the 3 Brexiteers.0 -
Indeed. It seems to me that any school which is free of LEA control and wants to enforce some discipline and standards is likely to be a good school. Call them grammars or free schools or academies or charter schools (in the USA) or whatever - the name is immaterial. Morgan seems to have missed this key point. It's also true that having a range of different schools, some catering to the more academic some to the more vocational makes good sense:tlg86 said:
Morgan looks utterly stupid this morning.Casino_Royale said:
I was waiting for Gove to show his hand, and that's quite significant. Given he might have been the nucleus around which a backbench rebellion (dominated by dillusioned Cameroons) could have formed. It contrasts starkly with Morgan.MaxPB said:http://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/news/gove-will-back-plan-for-new-grammar-schools-pm3kq6d5s
Gove clearly looking to get back in the Cabinet!
May will be grateful.
http://www.adamsmith.org/blog/just-what-is-the-problem-with-grammar-schools
Aren't we trying to emulate German educational outcomes and employment stats? Their school system is highly graded.0 -
The POTUS election is not a single national one.Alistair said:It is 56 days till the election. In the last month there have been (according to the errant source that is RCP) 26 National polls
Hilary Leads - 24
Ties - 1
Trump Leads - 1
With 56 days to go in the European Referendum in the previous month there had been 29 polls
Remain Leads - 16
Ties - 3
Leave Leads - 10
I can see why peopel think these votes are similar.0 -
We love democracy. And when Jezza is democratically elected leader of Labour I presume you will join in the accepted wisdom that it was the best outcome.TGOHF said:
Still feel let down by democracy Scott ? Lolza.Scott_P said:
This not not about the campaign.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. P, *sighs*
Most people said both campaigns were full of rubbish. Does it include Remain propaganda such as global war, and the downfall of Western civilisation?
This is about how BRILLIANT everything is now we have voted.
How much control we have taken back, and exactly how much Sovereignty per head will be bestowed upon us the the 3 Brexiteers.
No one disputes such a decision has democratic legitimacy, nor would any sensible person disagree that it would be an idiotic one.0 -
'Clinton was squeezing mucus straight down the girl's throat'Alistair said:
Unless Clinton was squuezing mucus straight down the girl's throat she isn't going to catch pneumonia from her.MaxPB said:
According to Wikipedia it is an infectious disease.Alistair said:
No it isn'toxfordsimon said:Pneumonia is, on the whole, contagious. Why would they think it would be reassuring to show Hillary hugging a small child on her re-emergence from the apartment??
Trump's nascent tweet before his mobile was wrestled from his grasp by aides.0 -
JC winning the leadership election is indeed the best outcome for the country. Not for Labour mind you but well..TOPPING said:
We love democracy. And when Jezza is democratically elected leader of Labour I presume you will join in the accepted wisdom that it was the best outcome.TGOHF said:
Still feel let down by democracy Scott ? Lolza.Scott_P said:
This not not about the campaign.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. P, *sighs*
Most people said both campaigns were full of rubbish. Does it include Remain propaganda such as global war, and the downfall of Western civilisation?
This is about how BRILLIANT everything is now we have voted.
How much control we have taken back, and exactly how much Sovereignty per head will be bestowed upon us the the 3 Brexiteers.
No one disputes such a decision has democratic legitimacy, nor would any sensible person disagree that it would be an idiotic one.
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Morgan was utterly housetrained at the Department of Education, all the signs are she is still singing from their civil service hymn sheet after losing her job.Patrick said:
Indeed. It seems to me that any school which is free of LEA control and wants to enforce some discipline and standards is likely to be a good school. Call them grammars or free schools or academies or charter schools (in the USA) or whatever - the name is immaterial. Morgan seems to have missed this key point. It's also true that having a range of different schools, some catering to the more academic some to the more vocational makes good sense:tlg86 said:
Morgan looks utterly stupid this morning.Casino_Royale said:
I was waiting for Gove to show his hand, and that's quite significant. Given he might have been the nucleus around which a backbench rebellion (dominated by dillusioned Cameroons) could have formed. It contrasts starkly with Morgan.MaxPB said:http://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/news/gove-will-back-plan-for-new-grammar-schools-pm3kq6d5s
Gove clearly looking to get back in the Cabinet!
May will be grateful.
http://www.adamsmith.org/blog/just-what-is-the-problem-with-grammar-schools
Aren't we trying to emulate German educational outcomes and employment stats? Their school system is highly graded.0 -
That is probably true but calling schools Grammar Schools is like walking around a petrol depot with lit matches. It would have been so easy to avoid most of the grief by just using a different word. Madness.Patrick said:
Indeed. It seems to me that any school which is free of LEA control and wants to enforce some discipline and standards is likely to be a good school. Call them grammars or free schools or academies or charter schools (in the USA) or whatever - the name is immaterial. Morgan seems to have missed this key point. It's also true that having a range of different schools, some catering to the more academic some to the more vocational makes good sense:tlg86 said:
Morgan looks utterly stupid this morning.Casino_Royale said:
I was waiting for Gove to show his hand, and that's quite significant. Given he might have been the nucleus around which a backbench rebellion (dominated by dillusioned Cameroons) could have formed. It contrasts starkly with Morgan.MaxPB said:http://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/news/gove-will-back-plan-for-new-grammar-schools-pm3kq6d5s
Gove clearly looking to get back in the Cabinet!
May will be grateful.
http://www.adamsmith.org/blog/just-what-is-the-problem-with-grammar-schools
Aren't we trying to emulate German educational outcomes and employment stats? Their school system is highly graded.0 -
She's a lightweight. I was astonished May gave her that job.DavidL said:
I heard Liz Truss on the radio last week, giggling away in front of a Select Committee. Out of her depth did not come even close to describing it. Just embarrassing.rottenborough said:
Greening for first cabinet exit?tlg86 said:
Morgan looks utterly stupid this morning.Casino_Royale said:
I was waiting for Gove to show his hand, and that's quite significant. Given he might have been the nucleus around which a backbench rebellion (dominated by dillusioned Cameroons) could have formed. It contrasts starkly with Morgan.MaxPB said:http://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/news/gove-will-back-plan-for-new-grammar-schools-pm3kq6d5s
Gove clearly looking to get back in the Cabinet!
May will be grateful.0 -
I'm levelled up on the main market at the moment, I think the odds are about right.
My last move was to lay Trump rather than back Clinton though, which I'm happy with this morning.0 -
It wouldnt have had half the resonance or "red meat" value with a different name. This has all the hallmarks of picking a popular fight before the BrExit fight starts in earnest. Possibly as a pretext to doing something about the House of Lords without it looking like it is linked to BrExit.DavidL said:
That is probably true but calling schools Grammar Schools is like walking around a petrol depot with lit matches. It would have been so easy to avoid most of the grief by just using a different word. Madness.Patrick said:
Indeed. It seems to me that any school which is free of LEA control and wants to enforce some discipline and standards is likely to be a good school. Call them grammars or free schools or academies or charter schools (in the USA) or whatever - the name is immaterial. Morgan seems to have missed this key point. It's also true that having a range of different schools, some catering to the more academic some to the more vocational makes good sense:tlg86 said:
Morgan looks utterly stupid this morning.Casino_Royale said:
I was waiting for Gove to show his hand, and that's quite significant. Given he might have been the nucleus around which a backbench rebellion (dominated by dillusioned Cameroons) could have formed. It contrasts starkly with Morgan.MaxPB said:http://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/news/gove-will-back-plan-for-new-grammar-schools-pm3kq6d5s
Gove clearly looking to get back in the Cabinet!
May will be grateful.
http://www.adamsmith.org/blog/just-what-is-the-problem-with-grammar-schools
Aren't we trying to emulate German educational outcomes and employment stats? Their school system is highly graded.0 -
The thought had crossed my mind. Not a market I'm interested in, though - they'll probably be some unexpected resignation.rottenborough said:
Greening for first cabinet exit?tlg86 said:
Morgan looks utterly stupid this morning.Casino_Royale said:
I was waiting for Gove to show his hand, and that's quite significant. Given he might have been the nucleus around which a backbench rebellion (dominated by dillusioned Cameroons) could have formed. It contrasts starkly with Morgan.MaxPB said:http://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/news/gove-will-back-plan-for-new-grammar-schools-pm3kq6d5s
Gove clearly looking to get back in the Cabinet!
May will be grateful.0 -
I'm assuming you haven't read what he actually said.Barnesian said:
Fox is the disappointment. He has now realised that his trade deals are going to come to nothing, and he has lined up "fat" "lazy" British business to take the blame.MaxPB said:
Hopefully it is enough to get Gove back into Mrs. May's good graces and he takes over the Brexit brief. Davis is proving to be the disappointment that many predicted.Casino_Royale said:
I was waiting for Gove to show his hand, and that's quite significant. Given he might have been the nucleus around which a backbench rebellion (dominated by dillusioned Cameroons) could have formed. It contrasts starkly with Morgan.MaxPB said:http://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/news/gove-will-back-plan-for-new-grammar-schools-pm3kq6d5s
Gove clearly looking to get back in the Cabinet!
May will be grateful.0 -
Nor that it would not have come about but for the utter and absolute incompetent feckwittery of those on the other side of the argument.TOPPING said:
We love democracy. And when Jezza is democratically elected leader of Labour I presume you will join in the accepted wisdom that it was the best outcome.TGOHF said:
Still feel let down by democracy Scott ? Lolza.Scott_P said:
This not not about the campaign.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. P, *sighs*
Most people said both campaigns were full of rubbish. Does it include Remain propaganda such as global war, and the downfall of Western civilisation?
This is about how BRILLIANT everything is now we have voted.
How much control we have taken back, and exactly how much Sovereignty per head will be bestowed upon us the the 3 Brexiteers.
No one disputes such a decision has democratic legitimacy, nor would any sensible person disagree that it would be an idiotic one.0 -
The Guardian didn't read what he actually said, most left-leaning people are regurgitating their synthetic outrage about something he didn't say. Plus ce la change.ThreeQuidder said:
I'm assuming you haven't read what he actually said.Barnesian said:
Fox is the disappointment. He has now realised that his trade deals are going to come to nothing, and he has lined up "fat" "lazy" British business to take the blame.MaxPB said:
Hopefully it is enough to get Gove back into Mrs. May's good graces and he takes over the Brexit brief. Davis is proving to be the disappointment that many predicted.Casino_Royale said:
I was waiting for Gove to show his hand, and that's quite significant. Given he might have been the nucleus around which a backbench rebellion (dominated by dillusioned Cameroons) could have formed. It contrasts starkly with Morgan.MaxPB said:http://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/news/gove-will-back-plan-for-new-grammar-schools-pm3kq6d5s
Gove clearly looking to get back in the Cabinet!
May will be grateful.
It is objectively the case that only 11 percent of British businesses export anything, and our exports expressed as a percentage of GDP are the lowest in Europe, and half the average.0 -
Agreed. She couldn't make her mind up whether to proceed with Gove's prison reforms or not. No clear views, no ideas, no principles that she wanted to apply, no obvious concerns, she just didn't know. Having equality of the sexes in the cabinet is just not worth this.PlatoSaid said:
She's a lightweight. I was astonished May gave her that job.DavidL said:
I heard Liz Truss on the radio last week, giggling away in front of a Select Committee. Out of her depth did not come even close to describing it. Just embarrassing.rottenborough said:
Greening for first cabinet exit?tlg86 said:
Morgan looks utterly stupid this morning.Casino_Royale said:
I was waiting for Gove to show his hand, and that's quite significant. Given he might have been the nucleus around which a backbench rebellion (dominated by dillusioned Cameroons) could have formed. It contrasts starkly with Morgan.MaxPB said:http://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/news/gove-will-back-plan-for-new-grammar-schools-pm3kq6d5s
Gove clearly looking to get back in the Cabinet!
May will be grateful.0 -
But that was Leave`s strongest argument, Mr TGOHF.TGOHF said:
With that level of debate I can't believe remain lost.logical_song said:Where's the £350million/week, the NHS needs it now!
The whole Referendum was a nonsense from beginning to end. Nobody ought to take any notice of it, and Mrs May ought to sack her three goons immediately. Save a lot of time and money.0 -
This is what he actually said, verbatim:Indigo said:
The Guardian didn't read what he actually said, most left-leaning people are regurgitating their synthetic outrage about something he didn't say. Plus ce la change.ThreeQuidder said:
I'm assuming you haven't read what he actually said.Barnesian said:
Fox is the disappointment. He has now realised that his trade deals are going to come to nothing, and he has lined up "fat" "lazy" British business to take the blame.MaxPB said:
Hopefully it is enough to get Gove back into Mrs. May's good graces and he takes over the Brexit brief. Davis is proving to be the disappointment that many predicted.Casino_Royale said:
I was waiting for Gove to show his hand, and that's quite significant. Given he might have been the nucleus around which a backbench rebellion (dominated by dillusioned Cameroons) could have formed. It contrasts starkly with Morgan.MaxPB said:http://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/news/gove-will-back-plan-for-new-grammar-schools-pm3kq6d5s
Gove clearly looking to get back in the Cabinet!
May will be grateful.
It is objectively the case that only 11 percent of British businesses export anything, and our exports expressed as a percentage of GDP are the lowest in Europe, and half the average.
In a recording of the event published in The Times, Dr Fox is heard saying: "This country is not the free-trading nation that it once was. We have become too lazy, and too fat on our successes in previous generations."0 -
Yep there was plenty of that also.Ishmael_X said:
Nor that it would not have come about but for the utter and absolute incompetent feckwittery of those on the other side of the argument.TOPPING said:
We love democracy. And when Jezza is democratically elected leader of Labour I presume you will join in the accepted wisdom that it was the best outcome.TGOHF said:
Still feel let down by democracy Scott ? Lolza.Scott_P said:
This not not about the campaign.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. P, *sighs*
Most people said both campaigns were full of rubbish. Does it include Remain propaganda such as global war, and the downfall of Western civilisation?
This is about how BRILLIANT everything is now we have voted.
How much control we have taken back, and exactly how much Sovereignty per head will be bestowed upon us the the 3 Brexiteers.
No one disputes such a decision has democratic legitimacy, nor would any sensible person disagree that it would be an idiotic one.0 -
Demonstrating once again that a more accurate name for the LDs would be the Illiberal StatistsPClipp said:
But that was Leave`s strongest argument, Mr TGOHF.TGOHF said:
With that level of debate I can't believe remain lost.logical_song said:Where's the £350million/week, the NHS needs it now!
The whole Referendum was a nonsense from beginning to end. Nobody ought to take any notice of it, and Mrs May ought to sack her three goons immediately. Save a lot of time and money.0 -
Indeed. Can you see the words "british business" in that sentence, because I can't.logical_song said:
This is what he actually said, verbatim:Indigo said:
The Guardian didn't read what he actually said, most left-leaning people are regurgitating their synthetic outrage about something he didn't say. Plus ce la change.ThreeQuidder said:
I'm assuming you haven't read what he actually said.Barnesian said:
Fox is the disappointment. He has now realised that his trade deals are going to come to nothing, and he has lined up "fat" "lazy" British business to take the blame.MaxPB said:
Hopefully it is enough to get Gove back into Mrs. May's good graces and he takes over the Brexit brief. Davis is proving to be the disappointment that many predicted.Casino_Royale said:
I was waiting for Gove to show his hand, and that's quite significant. Given he might have been the nucleus around which a backbench rebellion (dominated by dillusioned Cameroons) could have formed. It contrasts starkly with Morgan.MaxPB said:http://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/news/gove-will-back-plan-for-new-grammar-schools-pm3kq6d5s
Gove clearly looking to get back in the Cabinet!
May will be grateful.
It is objectively the case that only 11 percent of British businesses export anything, and our exports expressed as a percentage of GDP are the lowest in Europe, and half the average.
In a recording of the event published in The Times, Dr Fox is heard saying: "This country is not the free-trading nation that it once was. We have become too lazy, and too fat on our successes in previous generations."0 -
Should Terry Wogan be paid for Children in Need? Large charities are more like corporations these days, so they need to pay a lot. I suspect in most cases they still offer six-figure salaries for what would normally be seven-figure jobs. I could perhaps be persuaded the whole market is out of control and most organisations are paying Premier League salaries for Championship players.logical_song said:Is it morally correct to take $700,000 a year for running a charity?
http://www.newstatesman.com/2016/09/what-david-miliband-thinks-jeremy-corbyn
Oh, and it's a clickbait title from the New Statesman because all Milband says is they disagree.0 -
I'm at work who block bookmakers including Betfair so I'm really hoping for no dramatic moves today as my book, while green, is quite skewed at the moment.Pulpstar said:I'm levelled up on the main market at the moment, I think the odds are about right.
My last move was to lay Trump rather than back Clinton though, which I'm happy with this morning.0 -
That whole democracy thing is silly, isn't it?PClipp said:
But that was Leave`s strongest argument, Mr TGOHF.TGOHF said:
With that level of debate I can't believe remain lost.logical_song said:Where's the £350million/week, the NHS needs it now!
The whole Referendum was a nonsense from beginning to end. Nobody ought to take any notice of it, and Mrs May ought to sack her three goons immediately. Save a lot of time and money.0 -
Morgan is the female Burnham.0
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It's simple. That's how Leave won, by lying to the electorate on a grand scale. Now they've won, they've dropped the claim that they considered so important that it was in huge letters on their battlebus.TGOHF said:
With that level of debate I can't believe remain lost.logical_song said:
Where's the £350million/week, the NHS needs it now!TGOHF said:
Still feel let down by democracy Scott ? Lolza.Scott_P said:
This not not about the campaign.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. P, *sighs*
Most people said both campaigns were full of rubbish. Does it include Remain propaganda such as global war, and the downfall of Western civilisation?
This is about how BRILLIANT everything is now we have voted.
How much control we have taken back, and exactly how much Sovereignty per head will be bestowed upon us the the 3 Brexiteers.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/brexit-vote-leave-wipes-nhs-350m-claim-and-rest-of-its-website-after-eu-referendum-a7105546.html0 -
May has made a few dodgy appointments, Truss clearly one of them. But counting the number of obvious duffers in Cabinet, I reckon she's about on par with Cameron - no obvious deterioration.PlatoSaid said:
She's a lightweight. I was astonished May gave her that job.DavidL said:
I heard Liz Truss on the radio last week, giggling away in front of a Select Committee. Out of her depth did not come even close to describing it. Just embarrassing.rottenborough said:
Greening for first cabinet exit?tlg86 said:
Morgan looks utterly stupid this morning.Casino_Royale said:
I was waiting for Gove to show his hand, and that's quite significant. Given he might have been the nucleus around which a backbench rebellion (dominated by dillusioned Cameroons) could have formed. It contrasts starkly with Morgan.MaxPB said:http://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/news/gove-will-back-plan-for-new-grammar-schools-pm3kq6d5s
Gove clearly looking to get back in the Cabinet!
May will be grateful.
0 -
What does "we" refer to, in this context? Who does Liam Fox mean when he says "we" have become too lazy?Indigo said:
Indeed. Can you see the words "british business" in that sentence, because I can't.logical_song said:
This is what he actually said, verbatim:Indigo said:
The Guardian didn't read what he actually said, most left-leaning people are regurgitating their synthetic outrage about something he didn't say. Plus ce la change.ThreeQuidder said:
I'm assuming you haven't read what he actually said.Barnesian said:
Fox is the disappointment. He has now realised that his trade deals are going to come to nothing, and he has lined up "fat" "lazy" British business to take the blame.MaxPB said:
Hopefully it is enough to get Gove back into Mrs. May's good graces and he takes over the Brexit brief. Davis is proving to be the disappointment that many predicted.Casino_Royale said:
I was waiting for Gove to show his hand, and that's quite significant. Given he might have been the nucleus around which a backbench rebellion (dominated by dillusioned Cameroons) could have formed. It contrasts starkly with Morgan.MaxPB said:http://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/news/gove-will-back-plan-for-new-grammar-schools-pm3kq6d5s
Gove clearly looking to get back in the Cabinet!
May will be grateful.
It is objectively the case that only 11 percent of British businesses export anything, and our exports expressed as a percentage of GDP are the lowest in Europe, and half the average.
In a recording of the event published in The Times, Dr Fox is heard saying: "This country is not the free-trading nation that it once was. We have become too lazy, and too fat on our successes in previous generations."0 -
I take it you are betting on Trump to win while losing the National Popular Vote then?ThreeQuidder said:
The POTUS election is not a single national one.Alistair said:It is 56 days till the election. In the last month there have been (according to the errant source that is RCP) 26 National polls
Hilary Leads - 24
Ties - 1
Trump Leads - 1
With 56 days to go in the European Referendum in the previous month there had been 29 polls
Remain Leads - 16
Ties - 3
Leave Leads - 10
I can see why peopel think these votes are similar.0
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