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Occasionally polling throws out a result that really does make you go wow. Today’s Opinium poll for the Social Market Foundation contains a doozy.

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    Some people will always hold perverse views. Those are probably the same people who consider Caesar a superior general to Hannibal.
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    Great bar chart - Lib Dems winning here...
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    What's remarkable is how evenly spread that is. Of course people may be wrong, but it is a pleasingly symmetrical distribution.
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    Isn't 5% of voters thinking Corbyn is right wing just the " Lizardman Constant " ?
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    CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758
    edited September 2016
    @Casino_Royale

    Purpose of the EU Parliament vote is to allow a retrade.

    You the the negotiation between heads of government. Painful concessions made in the last 6 hours, as always but it's all squared away.

    You then go to the Parliament vote and they reject.

    Cue sorrowful shake of the head. "Sorry. Know we had a deal & you've given away your trump cards. But now we need more or it's no deal"

    Unethical, but probably effective.

    Only way round it that I can see is to get Parliamentary consent at an earlier stage (e.g. on heads of terms )
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    PlatoSaidPlatoSaid Posts: 10,383
    What happens if Hillary is too ill to continue?
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    SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    3% think Cameron is left wing, 7% that Farage is left wing, 8% Blair is left wing.
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    CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758
    What's Gray on the chart? Don't know?
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    PlatoSaid said:

    What happens if Hillary is too ill to continue?

    It's too late now to take Clinton off the ballot. It may be different if she actually dies (I'm not sure) but if she is simply ill she would delegate her duties (on the campaign trail and in office if elected) as usual.
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    SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    PlatoSaid said:

    What happens if Hillary is too ill to continue?

    Trump is stuffed.

    Only Hillary can deliver victory to Trump and vice versa.
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    Charles said:

    What's Gray on the chart? Don't know?

    Grey = Centre ground
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    dr_spyndr_spyn Posts: 11,291
    Hilary Clinton is lying...


    on the ground after a collapse.
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    PlatoSaid said:

    What happens if Hillary is too ill to continue?

    It's too late now to take Clinton off the ballot. It may be different if she actually dies (I'm not sure) but if she is simply ill she would delegate her duties (on the campaign trail and in office if elected) as usual.
    Yeah, too late to remove her name from the ballot.

    What would happen I believe is she'd say if she won in November, she'd be inaugurated in January, but resign immediately and be replaced by Tim Kaine,
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    Sean_FSean_F Posts: 35,983
    Worse for Labour is that 50% fall into categories that have broadly right wing views and 24% fall into categories that have broadly left wing views.
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    Dr. Spyn, presuming that's you being silly. If it's serious or silly, please do make it clear, given the chattering that's going on about her health (people may make snap bets otherwise).
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    SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    dr_spyn said:

    Hilary Clinton is lying...


    on the ground after a collapse.

    Trump must be feeling like Heseltine after Thatcher resigned.
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    PlatoSaidPlatoSaid Posts: 10,383

    Jennifer Epstein
    Clinton campaign says HRC felt "overheated" and went to Chelsea's apartment near Madison Square Park
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    Mr. F, but that is self-identifying. In psychology, people are notoriously bad at self-identifying their own personality.

    There's a natural tendency to drift to the middle/centre anyway.

    Also, where does it show half of people falling into right wing views and 24% into left wing?
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    PlatoSaidPlatoSaid Posts: 10,383
    Fox
    Statement from @HillaryClinton campaign spokesman @NickMerrill. https://t.co/oB8afu5PXX
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    SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    Ok so if Hillary doesn't make it to the finish line, everyone who has placed a bet on this election is stuffed.

    Because in that case neither Hillary nor Trump will win.

    Trump is close because Hillary is so unpopular, if she is removed then Trump doesn't have a chance.
    Like wise if Trump goes, Hillary doesn't have a chance.

    So mystery candidate x would win, or rather the VP picks, but how many have placed a bet on Tim Kaine or Mike Pence to win ?
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    tlg86tlg86 Posts: 25,207
    Speedy said:

    3% think Cameron is left wing, 7% that Farage is left wing, 8% Blair is left wing.

    That last figure is just ridiculous!
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    MP_SEMP_SE Posts: 3,642
    PlatoSaid said:


    Jennifer Epstein
    Clinton campaign says HRC felt "overheated" and went to Chelsea's apartment near Madison Square Park

    Another day, another incident, another excuse...
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    PlatoSaidPlatoSaid Posts: 10,383
    Well as black swans go, fainting at the 911 memorial is a zinger.

    All the Hillary health memes now have moved from conspiracy theories to legitimate discussion point.

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    CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758

    Charles said:

    What's Gray on the chart? Don't know?

    Grey = Centre ground
    So yellow = Social Democrat? Where do the Liberals go?
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    Speedy said:

    Ok so if Hillary doesn't make it to the finish line, everyone who has placed a bet on this election is stuffed.

    Because in that case neither Hillary nor Trump will win.

    Trump is close because Hillary is so unpopular, if she is removed then Trump doesn't have a chance.
    Like wise if Trump goes, Hillary doesn't have a chance.

    So mystery candidate x would win, or rather the VP picks, but how many have placed a bet on Tim Kaine or Mike Pence to win ?

    When is the ballot cut-off date? I have Biden as my insurance bet.
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    PlatoSaidPlatoSaid Posts: 10,383
    MP_SE said:

    PlatoSaid said:


    Jennifer Epstein
    Clinton campaign says HRC felt "overheated" and went to Chelsea's apartment near Madison Square Park

    Another day, another incident, another excuse...
    I can't wait for Trump to demand her full health records again. He's obviously in energetic form.
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    SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100

    Speedy said:

    Ok so if Hillary doesn't make it to the finish line, everyone who has placed a bet on this election is stuffed.

    Because in that case neither Hillary nor Trump will win.

    Trump is close because Hillary is so unpopular, if she is removed then Trump doesn't have a chance.
    Like wise if Trump goes, Hillary doesn't have a chance.

    So mystery candidate x would win, or rather the VP picks, but how many have placed a bet on Tim Kaine or Mike Pence to win ?

    When is the ballot cut-off date? I have Biden as my insurance bet.
    It's too late for anyone else to enter.
    The ballots have already been printed, voting started on Friday.
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    SandpitSandpit Posts: 49,941

    PlatoSaid said:

    What happens if Hillary is too ill to continue?

    It's too late now to take Clinton off the ballot. It may be different if she actually dies (I'm not sure) but if she is simply ill she would delegate her duties (on the campaign trail and in office if elected) as usual.
    Yeah, too late to remove her name from the ballot.

    What would happen I believe is she'd say if she won in November, she'd be inaugurated in January, but resign immediately and be replaced by Tim Kaine,
    That would upset lots of people with bets on Kaine. Time to make to make sure of laying Trump rather than backing Hillary, just in case.

    If Hillary goes sick, it will be a landslide for the Dems against Trump.

    Oh, and Eid Mubarak :)
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    CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758
    PlatoSaid said:

    Well as black swans go, fainting at the 911 memorial is a zinger.

    All the Hillary health memes now have moved from conspiracy theories to legitimate discussion point.

    Google doesn't give any hits from mainstream ? Jerusalem Post most recognisable (at least to me) - others are Heat Street and BNO News
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    PlatoSaid said:

    Fox
    Statement from @HillaryClinton campaign spokesman @NickMerrill. https://t.co/oB8afu5PXX

    Oh f. Trump will not let this go.
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    SandpitSandpit Posts: 49,941
    PlatoSaid said:

    Well as black swans go, fainting at the 911 memorial is a zinger.

    All the Hillary health memes now have moved from conspiracy theories to legitimate discussion point.

    Yep, Hillary being sick has gone from the right wing talk shows to the headline on CNN.
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    PlatoSaidPlatoSaid Posts: 10,383
    Tom Harris
    Al Quaeda were “driven to” carry out the 9/11 attacks, says Jeremy Corbyn’s spokesman. Utterly rancid. https://t.co/gOoDPUhfK2
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    Charles said:

    PlatoSaid said:

    Well as black swans go, fainting at the 911 memorial is a zinger.

    All the Hillary health memes now have moved from conspiracy theories to legitimate discussion point.

    Google doesn't give any hits from mainstream ? Jerusalem Post most recognisable (at least to me) - others are Heat Street and BNO News
    USA Today.
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    Miss Plato, that Al-Qaeda quote is special. Even for Labour.
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    dr_spyn said:

    Hilary Clinton is lying...


    on the ground after a collapse.

    Take it OGH is on holiday then?

    The world's political leaders, from all backgrounds, should strap him to his desk. No more minibreaks for you, Mike.
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    If Jadahi Jez is right wing in some people's mind, I wonder what left wing looks like?
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    CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758

    Charles said:

    PlatoSaid said:

    Well as black swans go, fainting at the 911 memorial is a zinger.

    All the Hillary health memes now have moved from conspiracy theories to legitimate discussion point.

    Google doesn't give any hits from mainstream ? Jerusalem Post most recognisable (at least to me) - others are Heat Street and BNO News
    USA Today.
    Google stories for "usa today clinton faints" are from December 2012
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    SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    edited September 2016
    Sandpit said:

    PlatoSaid said:

    What happens if Hillary is too ill to continue?

    It's too late now to take Clinton off the ballot. It may be different if she actually dies (I'm not sure) but if she is simply ill she would delegate her duties (on the campaign trail and in office if elected) as usual.
    Yeah, too late to remove her name from the ballot.

    What would happen I believe is she'd say if she won in November, she'd be inaugurated in January, but resign immediately and be replaced by Tim Kaine,
    That would upset lots of people with bets on Kaine. Time to make to make sure of laying Trump rather than backing Hillary, just in case.

    If Hillary goes sick, it will be a landslide for the Dems against Trump.

    Oh, and Eid Mubarak :)
    I think we need a betting market for presidential resignations.

    Though Hillary and Trump have ego's the size of Jupiter.
    So I doubt that they will resign on their own free will.
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    PlatoSaidPlatoSaid Posts: 10,383
    edited September 2016
    Great advert

    History
    September 11, 1977: The Atari 2600 was released. It was originally sold as the Atari VCS. https://t.co/ULxVb502ZK
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    PlatoSaidPlatoSaid Posts: 10,383
    David Frum
    86% of likely Republican voters now coalescing around Trump. He’s succeeding in normalizing himself. https://t.co/8pqIGCxWR4
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    Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,010
    edited September 2016
    BBC take - she was unwell but now feeling better:
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-us-2016-37332106

    As an aside, they're both younger than when Seleucus and Lysimachus fought at the Battle of Corupedium to determine mastery of the world.

    Edited extra bit: ahem, younger than Seleucus and Lysimachus were when they... etc.
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    Charles said:

    Charles said:

    PlatoSaid said:

    Well as black swans go, fainting at the 911 memorial is a zinger.

    All the Hillary health memes now have moved from conspiracy theories to legitimate discussion point.

    Google doesn't give any hits from mainstream ? Jerusalem Post most recognisable (at least to me) - others are Heat Street and BNO News
    USA Today.
    Google stories for "usa today clinton faints" are from December 2012
    Just google 'clinton' and click news. This one is in top few hits:


    http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/elections/2016/2016/09/11/hillary-clinton-911-new-york-city/90223902/
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    GeoffMGeoffM Posts: 6,071

    Mr. F, but that is self-identifying. In psychology, people are notoriously bad at self-identifying their own personality.

    There's a natural tendency to drift to the middle/centre anyway.

    Also, where does it show half of people falling into right wing views and 24% into left wing?

    Indeed. I am anti-EU, pro-death penalty, free-trade, anti-islam, pro-gun ownership and I support a return to a hereditaries-only Lords.

    I self-identify as Centre. Possibly Centre-Right if you factor in my pro field sports thing too. But I'd have stuck myself in the 45% group.
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    BBC take - she was unwell but now feeling better:
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-us-2016-37332106

    As an aside, they're both younger than when Seleucus and Lysimachus fought at the Battle of Corupedium to determine mastery of the world.

    Edited extra bit: ahem, younger than Seleucus and Lysimachus were when they... etc.

    FDR nearly did 4 terms.
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    How is Clinton going to manage the utterly insane schedule required of a candidate for POTUS for the next two months?
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    If Jadahi Jez is right wing in some people's mind, I wonder what left wing looks like?

    Stalin.
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    SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100

    How is Clinton going to manage the utterly insane schedule required of a candidate for POTUS for the next two months?

    She never had an insane schedule, she barely campaigned before.
    Her entire campaign is based on TV ads and fawning Journalists.
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    Mr. M, indeed. It's normal for individuals to identify themselves as the centre (sometimes of the universe :p ) and define left and right relative to their position.

    That can also happen on an institutional level, such as the Catholic Church once believing the Earth was the centre of the universe. Or the view that if there's, saying, a changing climate the only possible cause must be the Evil of Man. Ahem.
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    Clinton has 'medical episode' – that should quell any health fears circulating in the press...!
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    MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 50,144
    A surplus "is" towards the end of the first para TSE....
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    MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 50,144

    How is Clinton going to manage the utterly insane schedule required of a candidate for POTUS for the next two months?

    How is Clinton going to manage the utterly insane schedule required of a POTUS for the next four years?
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    SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    PlatoSaid said:

    David Frum
    86% of likely Republican voters now coalescing around Trump. He’s succeeding in normalizing himself. https://t.co/8pqIGCxWR4

    I think the big news is that for Hillary to win by 5 in the ABC poll, Obama has to be as popular as when he was inaugurated, which is very questionable.

    Surely Obama's popularity has increased to 50 or just above it, but it's not close to 60%.

    Thankfully I have my own average daily tracking poll that doesn't depend on monthly polls, less outliers this way.
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    MTimTMTimT Posts: 7,034
    TSE Surely the data would imply Labour's ceiling, not floor, is 25% under Corbyn
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    How is Clinton going to manage the utterly insane schedule required of a candidate for POTUS for the next two months?

    How is Clinton going to manage the utterly insane schedule required of a POTUS for the next four years?
    Do what Obama does and play golf all day?
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    RobDRobD Posts: 58,990
    Heh. Great header!
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    MTimTMTimT Posts: 7,034
    Charles said:

    @Casino_Royale

    Purpose of the EU Parliament vote is to allow a retrade.

    You the the negotiation between heads of government. Painful concessions made in the last 6 hours, as always but it's all squared away.

    You then go to the Parliament vote and they reject.

    Cue sorrowful shake of the head. "Sorry. Know we had a deal & you've given away your trump cards. But now we need more or it's no deal"

    Unethical, but probably effective.

    Only way round it that I can see is to get Parliamentary consent at an earlier stage (e.g. on heads of terms )

    That's exactly how the US negotiates except when the Administration have Fast Track authority. Final texts go to the Senate for approval, and it is sorry, but we need a little bit more. Like your soul.
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    Well we know why Clinton always has an ambulance follow her around. Danger of overheating.
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    A surplus "is" towards the end of the first para TSE....

    Ta
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    DavidLDavidL Posts: 51,402
    TSE's natural optimism shines through once again: only 5% of the electorate should not be allowed out on their own or access to sharp implements? Ridiculous.
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    Its interesting that when McCain ran, a big feature was he was too old etc etc etc to POTUS, now Clinton and Trump are older / don't appear to be in anywhere near as good health.
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    Sandpit said:

    PlatoSaid said:

    What happens if Hillary is too ill to continue?

    It's too late now to take Clinton off the ballot. It may be different if she actually dies (I'm not sure) but if she is simply ill she would delegate her duties (on the campaign trail and in office if elected) as usual.
    Yeah, too late to remove her name from the ballot.

    What would happen I believe is she'd say if she won in November, she'd be inaugurated in January, but resign immediately and be replaced by Tim Kaine,
    That would upset lots of people with bets on Kaine. Time to make to make sure of laying Trump rather than backing Hillary, just in case.

    If Hillary goes sick, it will be a landslide for the Dems against Trump.

    Oh, and Eid Mubarak :)
    Thanks. We're celebrating it tomorrow. So glad it isn't today.

    I just know Trump and Farage would be saying 'look at all those Muslims celebrating on the anniversary of 9/11'
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    SandpitSandpit Posts: 49,941
    Ha ha, I guess that's the same as all the Conservatives who think he's doing a fantastic job as LotO when that question is polled.
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    SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    MTimT said:

    TSE Surely the data would imply Labour's ceiling, not floor, is 25% under Corbyn

    On that same metric the Tory ceiling should be 30% and the LD at 45%.
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    tlg86tlg86 Posts: 25,207
    The worst thing about the Clinton thing is that she won't stand down. She will keep on going until she's dead. Who in the Democratic Party will be prepared to have a quiet word with her?
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    SandpitSandpit Posts: 49,941

    Sandpit said:

    PlatoSaid said:

    What happens if Hillary is too ill to continue?

    It's too late now to take Clinton off the ballot. It may be different if she actually dies (I'm not sure) but if she is simply ill she would delegate her duties (on the campaign trail and in office if elected) as usual.
    Yeah, too late to remove her name from the ballot.

    What would happen I believe is she'd say if she won in November, she'd be inaugurated in January, but resign immediately and be replaced by Tim Kaine,
    That would upset lots of people with bets on Kaine. Time to make to make sure of laying Trump rather than backing Hillary, just in case.

    If Hillary goes sick, it will be a landslide for the Dems against Trump.

    Oh, and Eid Mubarak :)
    Thanks. We're celebrating it tomorrow. So glad it isn't today.

    I just know Trump and Farage would be saying 'look at all those Muslims celebrating on the anniversary of 9/11'
    Ha, we're just starting now in the sandpit - think I'll stay in for the next couple of days, rather than venture outside into the chaos that usually happens.

    Did you go to New Anfield yesterday? The new TV camera view from the top of the stand is going to take a bit of getting used to!
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    glwglw Posts: 9,554

    If Jadahi Jez is right wing in some people's mind, I wonder what left wing looks like?

    Pol Pot.
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    MTimTMTimT Posts: 7,034
    Charles said:

    Charles said:

    PlatoSaid said:

    Well as black swans go, fainting at the 911 memorial is a zinger.

    All the Hillary health memes now have moved from conspiracy theories to legitimate discussion point.

    Google doesn't give any hits from mainstream ? Jerusalem Post most recognisable (at least to me) - others are Heat Street and BNO News
    USA Today.
    Google stories for "usa today clinton faints" are from December 2012

    Google for "hillary clinton on ground after collapsing" are from today.
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    I expect this is most easily explained by people confusing left and right wing. I know a few people who do that.
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    SandpitSandpit Posts: 49,941
    tlg86 said:

    The worst thing about the Clinton thing is that she won't stand down. She will keep on going until she's dead. Who in the Democratic Party will be prepared to have a quiet word with her?

    Someone needs to show her some polling - anyone else up against Trump wins a landslide, she needs to stand aside for the good of the Democratic Party. Think of the Supreme Court Judges.
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    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    PlatoSaid said:

    What happens if Hillary is too ill to continue?

    It's too late now to take Clinton off the ballot. It may be different if she actually dies (I'm not sure) but if she is simply ill she would delegate her duties (on the campaign trail and in office if elected) as usual.
    Yeah, too late to remove her name from the ballot.

    What would happen I believe is she'd say if she won in November, she'd be inaugurated in January, but resign immediately and be replaced by Tim Kaine,
    That would upset lots of people with bets on Kaine. Time to make to make sure of laying Trump rather than backing Hillary, just in case.

    If Hillary goes sick, it will be a landslide for the Dems against Trump.

    Oh, and Eid Mubarak :)
    Thanks. We're celebrating it tomorrow. So glad it isn't today.

    I just know Trump and Farage would be saying 'look at all those Muslims celebrating on the anniversary of 9/11'
    Ha, we're just starting now in the sandpit - think I'll stay in for the next couple of days, rather than venture outside into the chaos that usually happens.

    Did you go to New Anfield yesterday? The new TV camera view from the top of the stand is going to take a bit of getting used to!
    I was there. Up in the clouds. The view was rather good.

    The acoustics are really good.

    If only David Moores and Rick Parry had gone down this route back in 2003.
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    DadgeDadge Posts: 2,038

    I expect this is most easily explained by people confusing left and right wing. I know a few people who do that.

    Also there a few on the far left who think all mainstream politicians are right-wing.

    Plus a few people just messing.
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    DavidLDavidL Posts: 51,402

    I expect this is most easily explained by people confusing left and right wing. I know a few people who do that.

    Bit like my wife with directions.
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    Moses_Moses_ Posts: 4,865

    RickLeventhalFoxNews ✔@RickLeventhal
    MORE ON #HILLARY per witness: "unexpected early departure"; she stumbled off curb, "knees buckled", lost a shoe as she was helped into van
    2:52 PM - 11 Sep 2016

    This and her others previous " reported issues" does not sound like someone who should be considering running for president. If there is any ceremony in the year where total attendance is required and no candidate would ever leave unless it's seriously bad .....it's this one. It has to becoming a concern for her and family as well as to the electorate.
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,168
    edited September 2016
    Corbyn is seen as more left-wing than Farage is right-wing, May as centre to centre right. Given 13% see themselves as rightwing and just 10% as leftwing if UKIP build on that base and take a few centre right voters and socially conservative Labour voters and the LDs start to take some of the centre left and centre off Labour then Corbyn Labour will be facing a challenge to remain the main opposition in voteshare let alone win the next general election
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    MTimTMTimT Posts: 7,034
    Speedy said:

    MTimT said:

    TSE Surely the data would imply Labour's ceiling, not floor, is 25% under Corbyn

    On that same metric the Tory ceiling should be 30% and the LD at 45%.
    No, because the Tories under May are capable of appealing to the centre, Labour under Corbyn are not.
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 92,054

    I expect this is most easily explained by people confusing left and right wing. I know a few people who do that.

    Easily done because the left-right spectrum is mostly nonsense, mere tribal labels and people will support policies until they find out who proposed them, as that makes them not of the 'right' tribe, it is not who they think they should vote for, regardless of whether it accords more with their views.
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    DadgeDadge Posts: 2,038
    What data is available on the side-switching in the US election? Which pollsters provide the best data on this? i.e. Romney voters who say they're voting Clinton, and Obama voters who say they're voting Trump. Thanks.
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    weejonnieweejonnie Posts: 3,820

    Sandpit said:

    PlatoSaid said:

    What happens if Hillary is too ill to continue?

    It's too late now to take Clinton off the ballot. It may be different if she actually dies (I'm not sure) but if she is simply ill she would delegate her duties (on the campaign trail and in office if elected) as usual.
    Yeah, too late to remove her name from the ballot.

    What would happen I believe is she'd say if she won in November, she'd be inaugurated in January, but resign immediately and be replaced by Tim Kaine,
    That would upset lots of people with bets on Kaine. Time to make to make sure of laying Trump rather than backing Hillary, just in case.

    If Hillary goes sick, it will be a landslide for the Dems against Trump.

    Oh, and Eid Mubarak :)
    Thanks. We're celebrating it tomorrow. So glad it isn't today.

    I just know Trump and Farage would be saying 'look at all those Muslims celebrating on the anniversary of 9/11'
    You mean like they did on the actual date?
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    SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    Sandpit said:

    tlg86 said:

    The worst thing about the Clinton thing is that she won't stand down. She will keep on going until she's dead. Who in the Democratic Party will be prepared to have a quiet word with her?

    Someone needs to show her some polling - anyone else up against Trump wins a landslide, she needs to stand aside for the good of the Democratic Party. Think of the Supreme Court Judges.
    She fixed the primaries so she could win, she strong armed everyone else including Biden so that she had no effective opposition, she installed her personal friend as chair of the Democratic Party.

    There is no one left to tell her to step down, she is the Democratic Party.

    The only wings of the DNC that have some autonomy from her is NBC and Obama.
    I doubt that Obama would publicly call for her to step down, but NBC can through it's shows.

    But I also doubt that NBC has the power to force her out.
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 92,054
    Speedy said:

    3% think Cameron is left wing, 7% that Farage is left wing, 8% Blair is left wing.

    Given the number of Hard right Tories who thought Cameron was a LD, I'm a little surprised it is only 3% who think that.
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 92,054

    Isn't 5% of voters thinking Corbyn is right wing just the " Lizardman Constant " ?

    If that isn't an established phrase, I hope it becomes one.
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    CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758

    A surplus "is" towards the end of the first para TSE....

    Only surplus an Osbornite ever achieved
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    SandpitSandpit Posts: 49,941

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    PlatoSaid said:

    What happens if Hillary is too ill to continue?

    It's too late now to take Clinton off the ballot. It may be different if she actually dies (I'm not sure) but if she is simply ill she would delegate her duties (on the campaign trail and in office if elected) as usual.
    Yeah, too late to remove her name from the ballot.

    What would happen I believe is she'd say if she won in November, she'd be inaugurated in January, but resign immediately and be replaced by Tim Kaine,
    That would upset lots of people with bets on Kaine. Time to make to make sure of laying Trump rather than backing Hillary, just in case.

    If Hillary goes sick, it will be a landslide for the Dems against Trump.

    Oh, and Eid Mubarak :)
    Thanks. We're celebrating it tomorrow. So glad it isn't today.

    I just know Trump and Farage would be saying 'look at all those Muslims celebrating on the anniversary of 9/11'
    Ha, we're just starting now in the sandpit - think I'll stay in for the next couple of days, rather than venture outside into the chaos that usually happens.

    Did you go to New Anfield yesterday? The new TV camera view from the top of the stand is going to take a bit of getting used to!
    I was there. Up in the clouds. The view was rather good.

    The acoustics are really good.

    If only David Moores and Rick Parry had gone down this route back in 2003.
    Cool, glad you got a good view to see us beat the champions!

    A trip there is on the list for next visit to the UK - at least the extra seats mean it's only bloody difficult rather than nigh on impossible to get a ticket!

    And yes, they should have done it years ago, they've been losing millions a year in revenues to the competition for too long.
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    CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758

    I expect this is most easily explained by people confusing left and right wing. I know a few people who do that.

    Are those the ones who think that fascists are right wingers?
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    SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    edited September 2016
    kle4 said:

    Speedy said:

    3% think Cameron is left wing, 7% that Farage is left wing, 8% Blair is left wing.

    Given the number of Hard right Tories who thought Cameron was a LD, I'm a little surprised it is only 3% who think that.
    Even I think Cameron is a Liberal, but the public seems to think he is more right wing than either May or Farage.
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    CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758
    edited September 2016
    I disagree. I think that's a form of mourning what is gone.

    "It was the tallest. Then they built the World Trade Center. And it became known as the second tallest. Now it's the tallest again"

    Doesn't sound like a brag to me.
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    DavidLDavidL Posts: 51,402
    kle4 said:

    Isn't 5% of voters thinking Corbyn is right wing just the " Lizardman Constant " ?

    If that isn't an established phrase, I hope it becomes one.
    It's good isn't it?
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    MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 50,144
    Speedy said:

    Sandpit said:

    tlg86 said:

    The worst thing about the Clinton thing is that she won't stand down. She will keep on going until she's dead. Who in the Democratic Party will be prepared to have a quiet word with her?

    Someone needs to show her some polling - anyone else up against Trump wins a landslide, she needs to stand aside for the good of the Democratic Party. Think of the Supreme Court Judges.
    She fixed the primaries so she could win, she strong armed everyone else including Biden so that she had no effective opposition, she installed her personal friend as chair of the Democratic Party.

    There is no one left to tell her to step down, she is the Democratic Party.

    The only wings of the DNC that have some autonomy from her is NBC and Obama.
    I doubt that Obama would publicly call for her to step down, but NBC can through it's shows.

    But I also doubt that NBC has the power to force her out.
    NBC cannot raise the issue - unless they know Clinton is going. Or they just run Trump's "she's not fit for the White House" schtick for him. But if they do start running with it - lay Hillary!
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 92,054
    Speedy said:

    kle4 said:

    Speedy said:

    3% think Cameron is left wing, 7% that Farage is left wing, 8% Blair is left wing.

    Given the number of Hard right Tories who thought Cameron was a LD, I'm a little surprised it is only 3% who think that.
    Even I think Cameron is a Liberal, but the public seems to think he is more right wing that either May or Farage.
    Which is also weird, as I'm sure I've read pieces suggesting Cameron is indeed pretty right wing, but the reason he was successful (prior to EU) was in general people regarded as pretty centrist and benign despite being pretty right wing.

    I think the public and commentariat are all very confused.
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    DavidLDavidL Posts: 51,402
    And the Lib Dems are on about 10%. #epicfail
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    RobDRobD Posts: 58,990
    kle4 said:

    Speedy said:

    kle4 said:

    Speedy said:

    3% think Cameron is left wing, 7% that Farage is left wing, 8% Blair is left wing.

    Given the number of Hard right Tories who thought Cameron was a LD, I'm a little surprised it is only 3% who think that.
    Even I think Cameron is a Liberal, but the public seems to think he is more right wing that either May or Farage.
    Which is also weird, as I'm sure I've read pieces suggesting Cameron is indeed pretty right wing, but the reason he was successful (prior to EU) was in general people regarded as pretty centrist and benign despite being pretty right wing.

    I think the public and commentariat are all very confused.
    We know one thing.... he wasn't neutral!
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    CD13CD13 Posts: 6,351
    I've just seen the Sky Interview with lady Bucket.

    She reminds me strongly of Jezza. The same irritation with questions she doesn't like and a rant against the interviewer. No wonder they get on well.

    I bet she'd be the same with the French and South Korean foreign ministers (whoever they are). No problem with the Frogs but we don't want war with South Korea, so best keep her away.
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    kle4 said:

    Speedy said:

    3% think Cameron is left wing, 7% that Farage is left wing, 8% Blair is left wing.

    Given the number of Hard right Tories who thought Cameron was a LD, I'm a little surprised it is only 3% who think that.
    Except Lib Dems should not be thought of as left wing but libertarians versus authoritarians (such as the Labour party). Gladstone for example was all for free markets, a small state and people spending their own money, whilst protecting those who could not look after themselves.
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    DavidL said:

    kle4 said:

    Isn't 5% of voters thinking Corbyn is right wing just the " Lizardman Constant " ?

    If that isn't an established phrase, I hope it becomes one.
    It's good isn't it?
    It must be an established phrase ! I didn't think of it myself !
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    SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    kle4 said:

    Speedy said:

    kle4 said:

    Speedy said:

    3% think Cameron is left wing, 7% that Farage is left wing, 8% Blair is left wing.

    Given the number of Hard right Tories who thought Cameron was a LD, I'm a little surprised it is only 3% who think that.
    Even I think Cameron is a Liberal, but the public seems to think he is more right wing that either May or Farage.
    Which is also weird, as I'm sure I've read pieces suggesting Cameron is indeed pretty right wing, but the reason he was successful (prior to EU) was in general people regarded as pretty centrist and benign despite being pretty right wing.

    I think the public and commentariat are all very confused.
    I think the public read Cameron's statements and the commentariat weighted his actions.

    Statements and actions can be different, especially in politics.
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    jonny83jonny83 Posts: 1,261
    On a day when people are paying tribute to the victims of 9/11 15 years on Corbyn comes out with his pathetic, ignorant 'tribute'.

    Shameful. It would be better if he said nothing at all on the matter.
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 92,054
    edited September 2016

    kle4 said:

    Speedy said:

    3% think Cameron is left wing, 7% that Farage is left wing, 8% Blair is left wing.

    Given the number of Hard right Tories who thought Cameron was a LD, I'm a little surprised it is only 3% who think that.
    Except Lib Dems should not be thought of as left wing but libertarians versus authoritarians (such as the Labour party). Gladstone for example was all for free markets, a small state and people spending their own money, whilst protecting those who could not look after themselves.
    The LD base evaporated the instant they worked with the Tories and 'betrayed' the centre-left progressive alliance (and then got worse over the years, but the instant reaction is telling); they definitely though the LDs were left wing. Whether they should be Gladstonian liberals or not is a far cry from the question of whether the party, its activists or its voters are that, which is a question for another time.

    Nevertheless, the point was actually that to some Tories Cameron was like a LD, and those people would definitely say the LDs were left wing.
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