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I doubt it. The judge didn't say he was mentally deficient as well.Paul_Bedfordshire said:
I suspect he would fit in even better at South Yorks?ydoethur said:
Surely the obvious solution is to get him a job with North Yorkshire Police. That way, he gets a job and they get to keep a close eye on him.Paul_Bedfordshire said:
I feel very uncomfortable about this sort of thing. If you have not been convicted the state should not be able to do this . Even though there does appear to be reasonable grounds for the police to have concerns in this case, it goes back to the issue of giving the state powers that you might not be so pleased about if a government of a rather different shade took advantage of.nunu said:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-york-north-yorkshire-37134899nunu said:I've posted this already but it is disgraceful he had to represent himself. Wtf?! the cuts have gone too far in some cases.
As a man described by a judge as a narcissist, liar, sexual deviant and violent fantasist, you would expect him to fit right in as well. Indeed he might make Chief Constable in a couple of years.0 -
Not thinking that and trying to enforce your thoughts on adults is two very different things.Paul_Bedfordshire said:I see. So not thinking your teenage kids going round dressed like a cross between Julia Roberts in pretty woman and a chav out of Little Britain is entirely a good idea (not that mine actually do) makes you a religious zealot now?
I would have responded earlier but my eldests hairshirt sackcloth had a hole in it and needed darning while she is at prayers.
Methinks secularists of all strikes are getting worried about the future. Rightly, because tomorrow belongs to those having larger families and that aint the secularists and atheists.
As a father of two very young girls (2 years for one, and 2 months for the other) I have this to look forward to. I'd like to hope that when they are older they have been brought up with self respect and to know their own boundaries but it will be their choices ultimately.
While I might want a shotgun when they're older, the idea they should be compelled to cover up by a man or a priest is abhorrent.0 -
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I don't think they ever have been in the UK other than by general social disapproval - and I reckon that 90% of that came/comes from their womanly peers rather than men.Philip_Thompson said:
Not thinking that and trying to enforce your thoughts on adults is two very different things.Paul_Bedfordshire said:I see. So not thinking your teenage kids going round dressed like a cross between Julia Roberts in pretty woman and a chav out of Little Britain is entirely a good idea (not that mine actually do) makes you a religious zealot now?
I would have responded earlier but my eldests hairshirt sackcloth had a hole in it and needed darning while she is at prayers.
Methinks secularists of all strikes are getting worried about the future. Rightly, because tomorrow belongs to those having larger families and that aint the secularists and atheists.
As a father of two very young girls (2 years for one, and 2 months for the other) I have this to look forward to. I'd like to hope that when they are older they have been brought up with self respect and to know their own boundaries but it will be their choices ultimately.
While I might want a shotgun when they're older, the idea they should be compelled to cover up by a man or a priest is abhorrent.
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What happens now – penalty shootout?TheScreamingEagles said:Bloody Cloggies
OMG - Daley's entry was superb - and he goes into the lead after 3rd dive.0 -
GB on for Silver or Gold in the Men's TK.0
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Good news in the Taekwondo - he's through to the final.0
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If he had lost we would have had to send him to the salt mines...wasd said:Good news in the Taekwondo - he's through to the final.
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IIRC only if it is tied after the fourth quarter.SimonStClare said:
What happens now – penalty shootout?TheScreamingEagles said:Bloody Cloggies
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Not going to pretend I know anything about hockey but they look like they are bossing this to me.TheScreamingEagles said:Bloody Cloggies
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SeanT, insults and sarcasm are no compensation for your not arguing in a grown-up fashion. Nor is accusing someone else of making a straw man argument when you haven't bothered to understand what they're saying. Rottenborough, well, you're just exclaiming. There may be a good case for banning the burqa and hijab outside of the home (as they were banned in at least one MUSLIM country I know of - Tunisia - until a few years ago), but CycleFree was NOT making such an argument.rottenborough said:
These children shouldn't be in Birmingham city centre late at night. They should be in bed.SeanT said:
Ah. You have accepted your hijab argument was ridiculous bollocks, and a stupid attempt at strawmanning. Well done.Dromedary said:
I drove through the centre of Birmingham late one Friday night and saw many drunken young women dressed like sluts. Many people don't want their children to grow up in a city where such dress is regarded as acceptable streetwear because they uphold "the right to be a drunken slut in public".SeanT said:I don't want my daughter to grow up in a city where these horrible hoods and sacks are regarded as acceptable streetwear because some people think "women mustn't be seen".
Now we have the "slut" argument. Jesus.
What she quoted depended on a shallow universalisation of "freedom" and "compulsion" at opposite poles. Well that won't do. Examine the social pressures that cause people to wear this kind of clothing rather than that; their views on sexuality and what is decent; your own views on what you consider to be decent and acceptable in what context; how those views are mediated through social institutions; what is acceptable for men and what is acceptable for women; and how people (such as yourself) tolerate or do not tolerate other people acting in accordance with their own views, in what context. THAT, my friends, is the area in which this discussion should take place. Yes it is about sexuality.
To propose a position that depends most of all on polarised concepts of "freedom" and "compulsion" is to dodge the difficulties and in fact to provide a cover for prejudice.
We are all prejudiced to some extent. Hiding it behind shouts of "freedom" isn't persuasive.
You can turn on the TV in the morning and watch smiling presenters defend the right to cheat on your spouse, etc. You can indeed watch hordes of young women dressed like sluts in public if you go to a city centre on a Friday or Saturday evening. I'm right about that, and it's relevant. Deal with the issues and appreciate why people wear these or those clothes in what contexts and why behaviour differs across cultures.
The issue cannot be resolved by relying most of all on Tory and Women's Institute concepts of "freedom" and "compulsion" most of all.
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If they were private sector the exact same laws would apply.Paul_Bedfordshire said:
Sadly this and other events show that NHS Medical staff are now state apparatchiks who have to be treated with caution in what you tell them because it will be taken down and may be used as evidence against you.MarkHopkins said:Sandpit said:
Quite. Hopefully the publicity will get him a good lawyer pro bono.Paul_Bedfordshire said:
I feel very uncomfortable about this sort of thing. If you have not been convicted the state should not be able to do this . Even though there does appear to be reasonable grounds for the police to have concerns in this case, it goes back to the issue of giving the state powers that you might not be so pleased about if a government of a rather different shade took advantage of.nunu said:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-york-north-yorkshire-37134899nunu said:I've posted this already but it is disgraceful he had to represent himself. Wtf?! the cuts have gone too far in some cases.
The lessons we learn from this case are:
1. Never speak to a psychiatrist and expect them to keep your discussions confidential.0 -
(part 2 of 2 follows)Dromedary said:(snip)
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Right, so say I own a theatre that's putting on a play. I can allow women in the audience to wear hijabs if I want, right? We're talking about a Tory paradise where the rights of property owners are paramount. Tickets may have been sold publicly, but the theatre is not a public place. People are there because they have agreed a contract with me, the owner. Now say hijabs are banned publicly, as some wish. Ladies wishing to watch the play may wear hijabs, yes, without breaking the law? Is it OK if they park in the car park and walk to the foyer? Or does that depend on whether I own the car park? How about getting out of a car in front of the theatre and crossing the pavement? Is that OK? Or if they wish to wear hijabs in the theatre, must they arrive without them, necks bared to male onlookers, hair too, and then put them on once they're inside?
Perhaps you want the police outside shaking their heads as women get out of cars wearing hijabs, saying "More neck, please, love" and "I can't see your hair". And SeanT, please don't tell me I'm setting up a straw man argument. I'm not. The hijab is an item of clothing designed to cover up a woman's hair, neck, sternum and cleavage. Or is it OK if a nun does it but not a Moooslim?0 -
The Netherlanders are the best side in the world, I've been mentally prepped for us to get the silver medalDavidL said:
Not going to pretend I know anything about hockey but they look like they are bossing this to me.TheScreamingEagles said:Bloody Cloggies
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If we were feeling really cruel we'd just make him a Cif moderator.FrancisUrquhart said:
If he had lost we would have had to send him to the salt mines...wasd said:Good news in the Taekwondo - he's through to the final.
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GB maybe edged the first quarter but the second has been one way traffic.DavidL said:
Not going to pretend I know anything about hockey but they look like they are bossing this to me.TheScreamingEagles said:Bloody Cloggies
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I wonder whether they might just be a little more discrete?Freggles said:
If they were private sector the exact same laws would apply.Paul_Bedfordshire said:
Sadly this and other events show that NHS Medical staff are now state apparatchiks who have to be treated with caution in what you tell them because it will be taken down and may be used as evidence against you.MarkHopkins said:Sandpit said:
Quite. Hopefully the publicity will get him a good lawyer pro bono.Paul_Bedfordshire said:
I feel very uncomfortable about this sort of thing. If you have not been convicted the state should not be able to do this . Even though there does appear to be reasonable grounds for the police to have concerns in this case, it goes back to the issue of giving the state powers that you might not be so pleased about if a government of a rather different shade took advantage of.nunu said:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-york-north-yorkshire-37134899nunu said:I've posted this already but it is disgraceful he had to represent himself. Wtf?! the cuts have gone too far in some cases.
The lessons we learn from this case are:
1. Never speak to a psychiatrist and expect them to keep your discussions confidential.0 -
Its getting a real siege now. We have a brilliant goal keeper but....TheScreamingEagles said:
The Netherlanders are the best side in the world, I've been mentally prepped for us to get the silver medalDavidL said:
Not going to pretend I know anything about hockey but they look like they are bossing this to me.TheScreamingEagles said:Bloody Cloggies
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Anyway, the airport beckons. Fatherly duties and all that.0
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2-2! Completely undeserved, but quite frankly, who cares?0
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What has tinder got to do with it?pbr2013 said:
Don't I know it. Pronouns. Like I said, not yawning is difficult.MaxPB said:
Yup, needs the gold to be in with a chance. The quality of the shortlist this year is going to be higher than ever.Pulpstar said:Tom Daley's last chance to make the SPOTY shortlist...
Tindr is a massive culprit in this. Stupidity of the over-privilaged and coddled squared.0 -
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I'm going to stick to the diving, GB seem to score when I'm not watching...0
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Just realised they play 4x15' quarters in the Olympics, rather than the 2x35' halves as in most tournaments.
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We have not been in the 2 in the Summer Olympics medal table since 1908 when we topped the medal table in LondonSeanT said:Silver was expected in this match; it's what we will get.
Can we possibly edge out China?? My Lord, it will be close...
China! Whodathunk
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I'd agree there is a much stronger argument for banning the burqa than the hijab. Banning the hijab in Britain I would see as a provocation, often argued for by those who aren't open about their reasons. That said, I know observant Muslim women who believe that the Tunisian government's decision to allow the wearing of the hijab outside of the home was a step that gave a boost to the kind of criminal extreme-sexist men who are signing up in droves in that country to fight for Daesh.SeanT said:
Just ban the burqa. Like Ticino.Dromedary said:
(part 2 of 2 follows)Dromedary said:(snip)
(to be continued)
Right, so say I own a theatre that's putting on a play. I can allow women in the audience to wear hijabs if I want, right? We're talking about a Tory paradise where the rights of property owners are paramount. Tickets may have been sold publicly, but the theatre is not a public place. People are there because they have agreed a contract with me, the owner. Now say hijabs are banned publicly, as some wish. Ladies wishing to watch the play may wear hijabs, yes, without breaking the law? Is it OK if they park in the car park and walk to the foyer? Or does that depend on whether I own the car park? How about getting out of a car in front of the theatre and crossing the pavement? Is that OK? Or if they wish to wear hijabs in the theatre, must they arrive without them, necks bared to male onlookers, hair too, and then put them on once they're inside?
Perhaps you want the police outside shaking their heads as women get out of cars wearing hijabs, saying "More neck, please love" and "I can't see your hair". And SeanT, don't tell me I'm setting up a straw man argument. I'm notThe hijab is an item of clothing designed to cover up a woman's hair, neck, sternum and cleavage. Or is it OK if a nun does it but not a Moooslim?
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/muslims-fined-8000-wearing-burkas-niqab-switzerland-ticino-islamic-dress-a7124586.html
A ban on the burqa is coming anyway, to all of Europe, so we might as well get on with it
Until recently most women one saw in London wearing burqas were the wives of ultra-rich sheikhs from the Gulf. Ban the burqa and they probably wouldn't let their wives out of the home at all.
Another consideration here is the prevalence of sexual hypocrisy among Muslim men. And where are the limits of criminalising social pressures that are considered to be harmful?
Then there's the Jewish burqa.0 -
We should borrow the idea of the EU medal table and break the US's totals down by state.0
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Kicky kicky in PJs really is an odd sport. It basically one legged kicking competition.0
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Anecdotal evidence about burqas - was last month on a flight from Dubai to Kiev. Many more burqas got on the plane in Dubai than got off in Kiev.0
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The group, which was estimated to number around 100 in 2008 and several hundred in 2011Dromedary said:SeanT said:
Just ban the burqa. Like Ticino.Dromedary said:
(part 2 of 2 follows)Dromedary said:(snip)
(to be continued)
Right, so say I own a theatre that's putting on a play. I can allow women in the audience to wear hijabs if I want, right? We're talking about a Tory paradise where the rights of property owners are paramount. Tickets may have been sold publicly, but the theatre is not a public place. People are there because they have agreed a contract with me, the owner. Now say hijabs are banned publicly, as some wish. Ladies wishing to watch the play may wear hijabs, yes, without breaking the law? Is it OK if they park in the car park and walk to the foyer? Or does that depend on whether I own the car park? How about getting out of a car in front of the theatre and crossing the pavement? Is that OK? Or if they wish to wear hijabs in the theatre, must they arrive without them, necks bared to male onlookers, hair too, and then put them on once they're inside?
Perhaps you want the police outside shaking their heads as women get out of cars wearing hijabs, saying "More neck, please love" and "I can't see your hair". And SeanT, don't tell me I'm setting up a straw man argument. I'm notThe hijab is an item of clothing designed to cover up a woman's hair, neck, sternum and cleavage. Or is it OK if a nun does it but not a Moooslim?
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/muslims-fined-8000-wearing-burkas-niqab-switzerland-ticino-islamic-dress-a7124586.html
A ban on the burqa is coming anyway, to all of Europe, so we might as well get on with it
Then there's the Jewish burqa.
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Hope folk are enjoying the sport. When I saw Nick Skelton's lips going on the podium, I wanted to give the man a hug.
Bit hot-tempered in here today. Can I suggest having a calm relaxing read of this classic book about blowing other people's brains out, instead?
That link is to a beautifully scanned edition of Sniping in France by Hesketh Vernon Hesketh-Prichard, DSO, MC, FRGS, FZS - British explorer, adventurer, big-game hunter, marksman, and possessor of an absolutely top-notch name to boot. Guest appearance by John Buchan! For those with an interest in travel literature, Hesketh-Prichard also wrote an account of his trek across Haiti in 1899 - apparently the first white man to cross the interior of the island since it had been transformed into a republic ruled by former slaves in the 1803 revolution. That book is also available online, with the charmingly politically-correct title Where Black Rules White.0 -
The fact that it's even a possibility at this stage is a huge triumph.SeanT said:
I reckon we will *just* fall short. But then, I tend to the pessimistic in certain respects (see my other comment)HYUFD said:
We have not been in the 2 in the Summer Olympics medal table since 1908 when we topped the medal table in LondonSeanT said:Silver was expected in this match; it's what we will get.
Can we possibly edge out China?? My Lord, it will be close...
China! Whodathunk
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Trying to clock up the air miles by not leaving the plane?Sandpit said:Anecdotal evidence about burqas - was last month on a flight from Dubai to Kiev. Many more burqas got on the plane in Dubai than got off in Kiev.
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And Scottish Independence, though frankly I think I'm the same.SeanT said:
lol. I am often ridiculously rubbish at sports predixRobD said:
That and when SeanT predicts failure.... Both of you keep it up!Pulpstar said:I'm going to stick to the diving, GB seem to score when I'm not watching...
I've worked out my problem. When I am emotionally over-invested in something happening, I presume and predict the opposite outcome, as a kind of hedge against disappointment. e.g. I really want Team GB to do well, so I predicted they would flop in Rio
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It is indeed about different views of sexuality, amongst other things. But concepts of freedom and compulsion are not shallow. This is perhaps not the place to go into this in detail but there are some very good, long and thoughtful articles on this topic which are well worth reading. Happy to share if you (or others) are interested.Dromedary said:
SeanT, insults and sarcasm are no compensation for your not arguing in a grown-up fashion. Nor is accusing someone else of making a straw man argument when you haven't bothered to understand what they're saying. Rottenborough, well, you're just exclaiming. There may be a good case for banning the burqa and hijab outside of the home (as they were banned in at least one MUSLIM country I know of - Tunisia - until a few years ago), but CycleFree was NOT making such an argument.rottenborough said:
What she quoted depended on a shallow universalisation of "freedom" and "compulsion" at opposite poles. Well that won't do. Examine the social pressures that cause people to wear this kind of clothing rather than that; their views on sexuality and what is decent; your own views on what you consider to be decent and acceptable in what context; how those views are mediated through social institutions; what is acceptable for men and what is acceptable for women; and how people (such as yourself) tolerate or do not tolerate other people acting in accordance with their own views, in what context. THAT, my friends, is the area in which this discussion should take place. Yes it is about sexuality.
To propose a position that depends most of all on polarised concepts of "freedom" and "compulsion" is to dodge the difficulties and in fact to provide a cover for prejudice.
We are all prejudiced to some extent. Hiding it behind shouts of "freedom" isn't persuasive.
You can turn on the TV in the morning and watch smiling presenters defend the right to cheat on your spouse, etc. You can indeed watch hordes of young women dressed like sluts in public if you go to a city centre on a Friday or Saturday evening. I'm right about that, and it's relevant. Deal with the issues and appreciate why people wear these or those clothes in what contexts and why behaviour differs across cultures.
I think that those who think that the burqa is simply an issue of allowing Muslim women the freedom to wear a piece of religious or cultural clothing are the ones in danger of being shallow and missing what lies behind the push to impose a very limited and fundamentalist view of what Islam is and what that means for those Western countries with significant Muslim communities.
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Maybe but if we do it it will be an astonishing achievement and the Chinese will certainly not be happy. Even if we stay in third place we have only managed that 4 times, in 2012, 1920, 1912 and 1900SeanT said:
I reckon we will *just* fall short. But then, I tend to the pessimistic in certain respects (see my other comment)HYUFD said:
We have not been in the 2 in the Summer Olympics medal table since 1908 when we topped the medal table in LondonSeanT said:Silver was expected in this match; it's what we will get.
Can we possibly edge out China?? My Lord, it will be close...
China! Whodathunk
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You will never, ever match my fabulous sporting prediction on PB, when I criticised Alistair Cook for putting Australia in and said England would face a huge total...SeanT said:
lol. I am often ridiculously rubbish at sports predixRobD said:
That and when SeanT predicts failure.... Both of you keep it up!Pulpstar said:I'm going to stick to the diving, GB seem to score when I'm not watching...
I've worked out my problem. When I am emotionally over-invested in something happening, I presume and predict the opposite outcome, as a kind of hedge against disappointment. e.g. I really want Team GB to do well, so I predicted they would flop in Rio
I do the same for English rugby, sometimes the cricket, and most rightwing political victories
...at the start of the 2015 Trent Bridge Test.0 -
Maryland would have a solid total.williamglenn said:We should borrow the idea of the EU medal table and break the US's totals down by state.
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It seems ridiculously easy to foul in Hockey, intentionally and unintentionally.0
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Ha! More like the Arabs being aware of different cultures. They came off the plane dressed in western clothes with a headscarf, leaving the abayas in the bag.FrancisUrquhart said:
Trying to clock up the air miles by not leaving the plane?Sandpit said:Anecdotal evidence about burqas - was last month on a flight from Dubai to Kiev. Many more burqas got on the plane in Dubai than got off in Kiev.
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Diver almost kills himself off the high board. Missed the board by an inch with his head.0
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We cannot keep conceding this many penalty corners and expect to win.
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they can punch aswell.FrancisUrquhart said:Kicky kicky in PJs really is an odd sport. It basically one legged kicking competition.
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I've watched 4-5 bouts at these games, and although occasionally they make an odd stiff armed motion with their hand, like a mock punch, I don't think I've actually seen one connect or even look like it was intended to connect, are there some sort of restrictions on when and how they can do it?nunu said:
they can punch aswell.FrancisUrquhart said:Kicky kicky in PJs really is an odd sport. It basically one legged kicking competition.
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Everybody has Ibrahimovic as captain, right?DavidL said:That's more than half and hour and Pogba has not scored. What a waste of money.
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You can't punch to the head. I think attempting a body punch would just leave you too open to a kick at the top levels.kle4 said:
I've watched 4-5 bouts at these games, and although occasionally they make an odd stiff armed motion with their hand, like a mock punch, I don't think I've actually seen one connect or even look like it was intended to connect, are there some sort of restrictions on when and how they can do it?nunu said:
they can punch aswell.FrancisUrquhart said:Kicky kicky in PJs really is an odd sport. It basically one legged kicking competition.
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Your link has the word "sect" in it and that's being over-generous.Dromedary said:
Then there's the Jewish burqa.
"The group, which was estimated to number around 100 in 2008 and several hundred in 2011, is concentrated in the town of Beit Shemesh."
So not exactly 'coming to a street near you', is it.
You're trying too hard and it's getting painful to watch.
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Aggers for me !ThreeQuidder said:
Everybody has Ibrahimovic as captain, right?DavidL said:That's more than half and hour and Pogba has not scored. What a waste of money.
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It strikes me like the pyjama wrestling. If a normal person were to engage with a world class judo player they would be on their arse in seconds, but at the highest level they seem to spend a lot of time cancelling each other out.Pulpstar said:
You can't punch to the head. I think attempting a body punch would just leave you too open to a kick at the top levels.kle4 said:
I've watched 4-5 bouts at these games, and although occasionally they make an odd stiff armed motion with their hand, like a mock punch, I don't think I've actually seen one connect or even look like it was intended to connect, are there some sort of restrictions on when and how they can do it?nunu said:
they can punch aswell.FrancisUrquhart said:Kicky kicky in PJs really is an odd sport. It basically one legged kicking competition.
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Four superb dives by Daley – every time China did brilliantly & took the lead, Tom bettered it.Pulpstar said:Daley could do a massive bomb for his last dive and still qualify
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Isn't he a bit past it? And a cricketer?Pulpstar said:
Aggers for me !ThreeQuidder said:
Everybody has Ibrahimovic as captain, right?DavidL said:That's more than half and hour and Pogba has not scored. What a waste of money.
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So you did, I was remembering.SeanT said:
Actually Sindyref is one I called right. I stuck by my early prediction of a narrow NO win, and I was vindicated.kle4 said:
And Scottish Independence, though frankly I think I'm the same.SeanT said:
lol. I am often ridiculously rubbish at sports predixRobD said:
That and when SeanT predicts failure.... Both of you keep it up!Pulpstar said:I'm going to stick to the diving, GB seem to score when I'm not watching...
I've worked out my problem. When I am emotionally over-invested in something happening, I presume and predict the opposite outcome, as a kind of hedge against disappointment. e.g. I really want Team GB to do well, so I predicted they would flop in Rio
I do the same for English rugby, sometimes the cricket, and most rightwing political victories
http://www2.politicalbetting.com/index.php/archives/2014/09/20/the-winner-of-the-indyref-competition-is/SeanT said:
Oi!peter_from_putney said:Yes, thanks from me too Jack. Despite all the doubters, SeanT et al, I was heavily into the 40% - 45% Yes band, largely on account of your unwavering conviction as regards the final outcome.
I had YES at 47.1 (out by 2.42) and turnout at 82.83 (out by just 1.76) - which, combined, probably puts me in the top ten percent of regular commenters?
Whatever! We won! Where's my money Union Divvie?
Can I also politely call attention to a certain Mister antifrank of this manor, who is FOURTH FROM BOTTOM, having predicted a YES vote of 57%.
If I was a client, and he was my lawyer, I'd be a tad concerned.
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Going to need something special in the 4th. We've only had two shots all game.
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Aguero for me too. Although I do at least have Ibrahimovic on the field.Pulpstar said:
Aggers for me !ThreeQuidder said:
Everybody has Ibrahimovic as captain, right?DavidL said:That's more than half and hour and Pogba has not scored. What a waste of money.
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True. As I said once before, we can't live without Jews, or without them.SeanT said:
Gotta love the Jewish name for their burka though: the "frumka".GeoffM said:
Your link has the word "sect" in it and that's being over-generous.Dromedary said:
Then there's the Jewish burqa.
"The group, which was estimated to number around 100 in 2008 and several hundred in 2011, is concentrated in the town of Beit Shemesh."
So not exactly 'coming to a street near you', is it.
You're trying too hard and it's getting painful to watch.
Mixture of "frump" and "burka".
Superb. The world would be immeasurably unhappier without Jewish humour.0 -
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Come on England, 4 mins to play.
Extra time or straight to penalties if it's level at the end?0 -
If it wasn't for this match and that I'm going to Brum in the morning, I'd have goneScott_P said:Jezza is holding a rally tonight.
In Sheffield...0 -
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Ooooo this is not good referral
EDIT - phew0 -
Penalties0
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https://twitter.com/vlubev/status/766748376176136192ToryJim said:Is he alright?
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Well let's all hope our hockey ladies are better at penalties than the England football team!!0
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Oh god penalties..0
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LOL!Scott_P said:
I swear, raving on behalf of or against Thatcher to get almost sexually excited seems about the only thing dinosaurs from the 70s and 80s and children who think they are revolutionaries or the new Thatcher agree upon - we should create a permanent space where these bozos can drone on attacking or defending Thatcher to their heart's content while everyone else gets on with modern problems.0 -
So Jezza is up north, lecturing his supporters on the evils of Thatcherism....nice to see he is out of his comfort zone.0
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I was still doing my A levels when Maggie Thatch left office.Scott_P said:
I'm in my 40s.
Might be nice if people tried to move on and deal with the issues of 21st century, rather than the mid to late 1980s.0 -
that was crap0
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Be fair people. By 'Thatcher years' he means 1979-2016.0
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A penalty in the penalty shoot out!0
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