"It is no coincidence that the first thing religious bigots do when they get into power is to limit womens' freedoms. Control of clothing is one way of doing that."
Womens dress in the west is pretty well unique in the last two thousand years in its revealingness. Nothing like a bikini or tight clothes now worn has been seen since the latter days of Greece or Rome (at least outside elite aristocratic circles).
Peter Hitchens has pointed out that, other than face covering, modern devout muslim dress is little different "modesty" wise to womens dress in Europe prior to world war one (even in regards to "Burkini" swim suits.
It could easily be argued that the west has become decadent and hedonistic and the modest dress of Muslim Women (when not taken to extremes) is a most commendable example to us all (
Being provocative, a culture that allows women to dress revealingly and provocatively and those who use this freedom in conjunction with their sexuality to manipulate men have huge power over (the majority of) men and also gives those women who are most precocious an advantage over other women.
As with all these things a balance is required.
I think it is actually the implicit reproof of the wests godlessness and hedonism that is implicit in muslim womens dress that causes such outrage against muslims. Terrorism is a red herring.
Yes, Western dress was, um, traditional, until relatively recently. But that was because we were under the yoke of religion and patriarchy - and good riddance. It is good to remember how we used to dress in order not to get too uppity about how some Muslims and others still dress - but anyone who is preoccupied with how much Western women supposedly underdress really needs to get a life. Enjoy the view, re-engage brain and move on.
One day you may have daughters - it puts a different perspective on things.....
But the forces might like the new punishment for theft....
and Parliament could simply vote the Monarchy out of existence.
Who would sign the Act of Parliament into law ?? .....
No one, but if the monarchy were later restored, it would deem all acts passed without royal assent to be void, which is what happened in 1660. Anything the Commonwealth parliaments had passed which the restored royal government wanted to retain, such as the Navigation Acts, had to be re-enacted.
"It is no coincidence that the first thing religious bigots do when they get into power is to limit womens' freedoms. Control of clothing is one way of doing that."
Womens dress in the west is pretty well unique in the last two thousand years in its revealingness. Nothing like a bikini or tight clothes now worn has been seen since the latter days of Greece or Rome (at least outside elite aristocratic circles).
Peter Hitchens has pointed out that, other than face covering, modern devout muslim dress is little different "modesty" wise to womens dress in Europe prior to world war one (even in regards to "Burkini" swim suits.
It could easily be argued that the west has become decadent and hedonistic and the modest dress of Muslim Women (when not taken to extremes) is a most commendable example to us all (
Being provocative, a culture that allows women to dress revealingly and provocatively and those who use this freedom in conjunction with their sexuality to manipulate men have huge power over (the majority of) men and also gives those women who are most precocious an advantage over other women.
As with all these things a balance is required.
I think it is actually the implicit reproof of the wests godlessness and hedonism that is implicit in muslim womens dress that causes such outrage against muslims. Terrorism is a red herring.
Yes, Western dress was, um, traditional, until relatively recently. But that was because we were under the yoke of religion and patriarchy - and good riddance. It is good to remember how we used to dress in order not to get too uppity about how some Muslims and others still dress - but anyone who is preoccupied with how much Western women supposedly underdress really needs to get a life. Enjoy the view, re-engage brain and move on.
One day you may have daughters - it puts a different perspective on things.....
And yet it absolutely does not for loads of people who do have daughters (not myself, I hasten to add). So perhaps you mean it may put a different perspective on things, and you wish it did for everyone, but it doesn't.
"It is no coincidence that the first thing religious bigots do when they get into power is to limit womens' freedoms. Control of clothing is one way of doing that."
It could easily be argued that the west has become decadent and hedonistic and the modest dress of Muslim Women (when not taken to extremes) is a most commendable example to us all (
Being provocative, a culture that allows women to dress revealingly and provocatively and those who use this freedom in conjunction with their sexuality to manipulate men have huge power over (the majority of) men and also gives those women who are most precocious an advantage over other women.
As with all these things a balance is required.
I think it is actually the implicit reproof of the wests godlessness and hedonism that is implicit in muslim womens dress that causes such outrage against muslims. Terrorism is a red herring.
Yes, Western dress was, um, traditional, until relatively recently. But that was because we were under the yoke of religion and patriarchy - and good riddance. It is good to remember how we used to dress in order not to get too uppity about how some Muslims and others still dress - but anyone who is preoccupied with how much Western women supposedly underdress really needs to get a life. Enjoy the view, re-engage brain and move on.
One day you may have daughters - it puts a different perspective on things.....
And yet it absolutely does not for loads of people who do have daughters (not myself, I hasten to add). So perhaps you mean it may put a different perspective on things, and you wish it did for everyone, but it doesn't.
I don't think there are many (responsible) fathers who would approve of their teenage daughters going out dressed like Julia Roberts in Pretty Woman.
No I wouldn't want to see a return to pre 1914 womens dress but things have gone a bit far the other way.
"It is no coincidence that the first thing religious bigots do when they get into power is to limit womens' freedoms. Control of clothing is one way of doing that."
Womens dress in the west is pretty well unique in the last two thousand years in its revealingness. Nothing like a bikini or tight clothes now worn has been seen since the latter days of Greece or Rome (at least outside elite aristocratic circles).
Peter Hitchens has pointed out that, other than face covering, modern devout muslim dress is little different "modesty" wise to womens dress in Europe prior to world war one (even in regards to "Burkini" swim suits.
It could easily be argued that the west has become decadent and hedonistic and the modest dress of Muslim Women (when not taken to extremes) is a most commendable example to us all (
Being provocative, a culture that allows women to dress revealingly and provocatively and those who use this freedom in conjunction with their sexuality to manipulate men have huge power over (the majority of) men and also gives those women who are most precocious an advantage over other women.
As with all these things a balance is required.
I think it is actually the implicit reproof of the wests godlessness and hedonism that is implicit in muslim womens dress that causes such outrage against muslims. Terrorism is a red herring.
Yes, Western dress was, um, traditional, until relatively recently. But that was because we were under the yoke of religion and patriarchy - and good riddance. It is good to remember how we used to dress in order not to get too uppity about how some Muslims and others still dress - but anyone who is preoccupied with how much Western women supposedly underdress really needs to get a life. Enjoy the view, re-engage brain and move on.
One day you may have daughters - it puts a different perspective on things.....
"It is no coincidence that the first thing religious bigots do when they get into power is to limit womens' freedoms. Control of clothing is one way of doing that."
Womens dress in the west is pretty well unique in the last two thousand years in its revealingness. Nothing like a bikini or tight clothes now worn has been seen since the latter days of Greece or Rome (at least outside elite aristocratic circles).
Peter Hitchens has pointed out that, other than face covering, modern devout muslim dress is little different "modesty" wise to womens dress in Europe prior to world war one (even in regards to "Burkini" swim suits.
It could easily be argued that the west has become decadent and hedonistic and the modest dress of Muslim Women (when not taken to extremes) is a most commendable example to us all (
Being provocative, a culture that allows women to dress revealingly and provocatively and those who use this freedom in conjunction with their sexuality to manipulate men have huge power over (the majority of) men and also gives those women who are most precocious an advantage over other women.
As with all these things a balance is required.
I think it is actually the implicit reproof of the wests godlessness and hedonism that is implicit in muslim womens dress that causes such outrage against muslims. Terrorism is a red herring.
Yes, Western dress was, um, traditional, until relatively recently. But that was because we were under the yoke of religion and patriarchy - and good riddance. It is good to remember how we used to dress in order not to get too uppity about how some Muslims and others still dress - but anyone who is preoccupied with how much Western women supposedly underdress really needs to get a life. Enjoy the view, re-engage brain and move on.
One day you may have daughters - it puts a different perspective on things.....
That you want to control them?
Quite. Picking up my daughter and her pal at the airport tonight from a week in Ibiza. Not expecting too much in the way of washing! We have spoken on Skype and they have had a great time, as they should.
Paul's approach reminds us that religious zealots of all stripes have more in common with each other than they do with the rest of us. It is an important lesson.
"It is no coincidence that the first thing religious bigots do when they get into power is to limit womens' freedoms. Control of clothing is one way of doing that."
Womens dress in the west is pretty well unique in the last two thousand years in its revealingness. Nothing like a bikini or tight clothes now worn has been seen since the latter days of Greece or Rome (at least outside elite aristocratic circles).
Peter Hitchens has pointed out that, other than face covering, modern devout muslim dress is little different "modesty" wise to womens dress in Europe prior to world war one (even in regards to "Burkini" swim suits.
It could easily be argued that the west has become decadent and hedonistic and the modest dress of Muslim Women (when not taken to extremes) is a most commendable example to us all (
Being provocative, a culture that allows women to dress revealingly and provocatively and those who use this freedom in conjunction with their sexuality to manipulate men have huge power over (the majority of) men and also gives those women who are most precocious an advantage over other women.
As with all these things a balance is required.
I think it is actually the implicit reproof of the wests godlessness and hedonism that is implicit in muslim womens dress that causes such outrage against muslims. Terrorism is a red herring.
Yes, Western dress was, um, traditional, until relatively recently. But that was because we were under the yoke of religion and patriarchy - and good riddance. It is good to remember how we used to dress in order not to get too uppity about how some Muslims and others still dress - but anyone who is preoccupied with how much Western women supposedly underdress really needs to get a life. Enjoy the view, re-engage brain and move on.
One day you may have daughters - it puts a different perspective on things.....
Surprisingly enough I do have a 12-year-old daughter. And she wears what she likes.
"It is no coincidence that the first thing religious bigots do when they get into power is to limit womens' freedoms. Control of clothing is one way of doing that."
Womens dress in the west is pretty well unique in the last two thousand years in its revealingness. Nothing like a bikini or tight clothes now worn has been seen since the latter days of Greece or Rome (at least outside elite aristocratic circles).
Peter Hitchens has pointed out that, other than face covering, modern devout muslim dress is little different "modesty" wise to womens dress in Europe prior to world war one (even in regards to "Burkini" swim suits.
It could easily be argued that the west has become decadent and hedonistic and the modest dress of Muslim Women (when not taken to extremes) is a most commendable example to us all (
Being provocative, a culture that allows women to dress revealingly and provocatively and those who use this freedom in conjunction with their sexuality to manipulate men have huge power over (the majority of) men and also gives those women who are most precocious an advantage over other women.
As with all these things a balance is required.
I think it is actually the implicit reproof of the wests godlessness and hedonism that is implicit in muslim womens dress that causes such outrage against muslims. Terrorism is a red herring.
Yes, Western dress was, um, traditional, until relatively recently. But that was because we were under the yoke of religion and patriarchy - and good riddance. It is good to remember how we used to dress in order not to get too uppity about how some Muslims and others still dress - but anyone who is preoccupied with how much Western women supposedly underdress really needs to get a life. Enjoy the view, re-engage brain and move on.
One day you may have daughters - it puts a different perspective on things.....
Surprisingly enough I do have a 12-year-old daughter. And she wears what she likes.
My 14 year old is all "gender non-binary". Not yawning is difficult.
"It is no coincidence that the first thing religious bigots do when they get into power is to limit womens' freedoms. Control of clothing is one way of doing that."
Womens dress in the west is pretty well unique in the last two thousand years in its revealingness. Nothing like a bikini or tight clothes now worn has been seen since the latter days of Greece or Rome (at least outside elite aristocratic circles).
Peter Hitchens has pointed out that, other than face covering, modern devout muslim dress is little different "modesty" wise to womens dress in Europe prior to world war one (even in regards to "Burkini" swim suits.
It could easily be argued that the west has become decadent and hedonistic and the modest dress of Muslim Women (when not taken to extremes) is a most commendable example to us all (
Being provocative, a culture that allows women to dress revealingly and provocatively and those who use this freedom in conjunction with their sexuality to manipulate men have huge power over (the majority of) men and also gives those women who are most precocious an advantage over other women.
As with all these things a balance is required.
I think it is actually the implicit reproof of the wests godlessness and hedonism that is implicit in muslim womens dress that causes such outrage against muslims. Terrorism is a red herring.
Yes, Western dress was, um, traditional, until relatively recently. But that was because we were under the yoke of religion and patriarchy - and good riddance. It is good to remember how we used to dress in order not to get too uppity about how some Muslims and others still dress - but anyone who is preoccupied with how much Western women supposedly underdress really needs to get a life. Enjoy the view, re-engage brain and move on.
One day you may have daughters - it puts a different perspective on things.....
Surprisingly enough I do have a 12-year-old daughter. And she wears what she likes.
My 14 year old is all "gender non-binary". Not yawning is difficult.
You might want to pay attention, there'll be a test later.
Be intriguing to compare convictions for FGM to convictions for living up to Cameron's dictum on Twitter.
While I think it is vile and rightly illegal in the UK, what F*** business of ours is it if other countries permit the practice. Or is the sovereignty of nations only valid when they act like good Guardian readers.
Let it not be forgotten that the British Empire was far more a moralising guardianista crusade to civilize primative people than a bunch of right wing thugs looting for their own gain.
But that argument is coming close to justification of slavery and other things so long as we don't do it.
In the modern world, there is the concept of universal human rights which does, under international law, transcend national sovereignty.
Just the modern excuse to carry being imperialist while pretending we are not imperialist.
We decide our values are superior and we will impose it on countries that disagree. Two hundred years it was about imposing "Christian Civilization" on "primative" people for their own good, now it is about imposing human rights on them for their own good.
I'm not necessarily saying our values are not superior - I'm just calling out the hypocracy of the stop the war lefty types.
Also it is just this attitude that resulted in Iraq.
Mr. Bedfordshire, If and when the muslims become a majority in Britain and Islam is rampant, don't come to PB crying when some islamic judge has your tongue pulled out or your hand cut off for some minor infringment.
"It is no coincidence that the first thing religious bigots do when they get into power is to limit womens' freedoms. Control of clothing is one way of doing that."
Womens dress in the west is pretty well unique in the last two thousand years in its revealingness. Nothing like a bikini or tight clothes now worn has been seen since the latter days of Greece or Rome (at least outside elite aristocratic circles).
Peter Hitchens has pointed out that, other than face covering, modern devout muslim dress is little different "modesty" wise to womens dress in Europe prior to world war one (even in regards to "Burkini" swim suits.
It could easily be argued that the west has become decadent and hedonistic and the modest dress of Muslim Women (when not taken to extremes) is a most commendable example to us all (
Being provocative, a culture that allows women to dress revealingly and provocatively and those who use this freedom in conjunction with their sexuality to manipulate men have huge power over (the majority of) men and also gives those women who are most precocious an advantage over other women.
As with all these things a balance is required.
I think it is actually the implicit reproof of the wests godlessness and hedonism that is implicit in muslim womens dress that causes such outrage against muslims. Terrorism is a red herring.
Yes, Western dress was, um, traditional, until relatively recently. But that was because we were under the yoke of religion and patriarchy - and good riddance. It is good to remember how we used to dress in order not to get too uppity about how some Muslims and others still dress - but anyone who is preoccupied with how much Western women supposedly underdress really needs to get a life. Enjoy the view, re-engage brain and move on.
One day you may have daughters - it puts a different perspective on things.....
Surprisingly enough I do have a 12-year-old daughter. And she wears what she likes.
My 14 year old is all "gender non-binary". Not yawning is difficult.
You might want to pay attention, there'll be a test later.
Tom Daley's last chance to make the SPOTY shortlist...
Yup, needs the gold to be in with a chance. The quality of the shortlist this year is going to be higher than ever.
He's going to have a job if that chinese lad keeps diving like that...
Awesome. Looks like another Chinese gold to me. We need one more gold....
Men's Taekwondo semi final going well, so looks like a medal there. Nicola Adams and the Women's hockey later...
Sorry, I meant one more we are not "meant" to get. In the hockey we are playing the world champions so a win would be against the rankings, if not current form. Something like that. I think we are expecting Mo to deliver again and Nicola.
Tom Daley's last chance to make the SPOTY shortlist...
Yup, needs the gold to be in with a chance. The quality of the shortlist this year is going to be higher than ever.
He's going to have a job if that chinese lad keeps diving like that...
Awesome. Looks like another Chinese gold to me. We need one more gold....
Men's Taekwondo semi final going well, so looks like a medal there. Nicola Adams and the Women's hockey later...
Sorry, I meant one more we are not "meant" to get. In the hockey we are playing the world champions so a win would be against the rankings, if not current form. Something like that. I think we are expecting Mo to deliver again and Nicola.
Think the men's TK would be a bonus and Joe Joyce in the boxing - there's another division of women's TK as well - in with a decent chance there, too.
One day you may have daughters - it puts a different perspective on things.....
That you want to control them?
Quite. Picking up my daughter and her pal at the airport tonight from a week in Ibiza. Not expecting too much in the way of washing! We have spoken on Skype and they have had a great time, as they should.
Paul's approach reminds us that religious zealots of all stripes have more in common with each other than they do with the rest of us. It is an important lesson.
Tom Daley's last chance to make the SPOTY shortlist...
Yup, needs the gold to be in with a chance. The quality of the shortlist this year is going to be higher than ever.
He's going to have a job if that chinese lad keeps diving like that...
Awesome. Looks like another Chinese gold to me. We need one more gold....
Men's Taekwondo semi final going well, so looks like a medal there. Nicola Adams and the Women's hockey later...
Sorry, I meant one more we are not "meant" to get. In the hockey we are playing the world champions so a win would be against the rankings, if not current form. Something like that. I think we are expecting Mo to deliver again and Nicola.
Think the men's TK would be a bonus and Joe Joyce in the boxing - there's another division of women's TK as well - in with a decent chance there, too.
I agree on both of them. Harchegani is the current European Champion and I think has beat Mohammed before. But you never know.
I feel very uncomfortable about this sort of thing. If you have not been convicted the state should not be able to do this . Even though there does appear to be reasonable grounds for the police to have concerns in this case, it goes back to the issue of giving the state powers that you might not be so pleased about if a government of a rather different shade took advantage of.
I feel very uncomfortable about this sort of thing. If you have not been convicted the state should not be able to do this . Even though there does appear to be reasonable grounds for the police to have concerns in this case, it goes back to the issue of giving the state powers that you might not be so pleased about if a government of a rather different shade took advantage of.
Quite. Hopefully the publicity will get him a good lawyer pro bono.
Thank god for the red button. BBC1 spends most of its time talking and interviewing. Meanwhile BBC4 is showing Latvia against Venezuela in the basketball.
I feel very uncomfortable about this sort of thing. If you have not been convicted the state should not be able to do this . Even though there does appear to be reasonable grounds for the police to have concerns in this case, it goes back to the issue of giving the state powers that you might not be so pleased about if a government of a rather different shade took advantage of.
Quite. Hopefully the publicity will get him a good lawyer pro bono.
The lessons we learn from this case are:
1. Never speak to a psychiatrist and expect them to keep your discussions confidential.
2. It was pointless bringing in PACE (1984, ironically) to ensure suspects were treated fairly. Since now the Police can just do an end-run around the case, if they think someone is a wrong 'un.
I feel very uncomfortable about this sort of thing. If you have not been convicted the state should not be able to do this . Even though there does appear to be reasonable grounds for the police to have concerns in this case, it goes back to the issue of giving the state powers that you might not be so pleased about if a government of a rather different shade took advantage of.
Quite. Hopefully the publicity will get him a good lawyer pro bono.
The lessons we learn from this case are:
1. Never speak to a psychiatrist and expect them to keep your discussions confidential.
2. It was pointless bringing in PACE (1984, ironically) to ensure suspects were treated fairly. Since now the Police can just do an end-run around the case, if they think someone is a wrong 'un.
3. Justice is only for the rich.
You must be very young if you've only just realised point 3.
Thank god for the red button. BBC1 spends most of its time talking and interviewing. Meanwhile BBC4 is showing Latvia against Venezuela in the basketball.
I feel very uncomfortable about this sort of thing. If you have not been convicted the state should not be able to do this . Even though there does appear to be reasonable grounds for the police to have concerns in this case, it goes back to the issue of giving the state powers that you might not be so pleased about if a government of a rather different shade took advantage of.
Quite. Hopefully the publicity will get him a good lawyer pro bono.
The lessons we learn from this case are:
1. Never speak to a psychiatrist and expect them to keep your discussions confidential.
Sadly this and other events show that NHS Medical staff are now state apparatchiks who have to be treated with caution in what you tell them because it will be taken down and may be used as evidence against you.
Nigerian athletes in Rio only received their Olympic kits on day 13 of the Games, the BBC has learned.
Africa's most populous country has so far won no medals at Rio, with only three more days of competition left to go.
The government had budgeted 600m naira ($1.7m; £1.3m) for the Olympics, the Vanguard reported in July. But payment problems appear to have dogged Nigerian Olympians.
Thank god for the red button. BBC1 spends most of its time talking and interviewing. Meanwhile BBC4 is showing Latvia against Venezuela in the basketball.
Nigerian athletes in Rio only received their Olympic kits on day 13 of the Games, the BBC has learned.
Africa's most populous country has so far won no medals at Rio, with only three more days of competition left to go.
The government had budgeted 600m naira ($1.7m; £1.3m) for the Olympics, the Vanguard reported in July. But payment problems appear to have dogged Nigerian Olympians.
But a former athlete has written to me saying that he is having to sell his gold medal from a previous games for £50,000 and if I send him £5,000 so he can fund arranging the sale he will give me halfof it.
Do you think I should email him back my bank account number?
I doubt Trump will win Michigan even in the unlikely event he wins nationally, Detroit will see to that and as the article suggests it also has a lot of Romney type establishment Republicans in the wealthy suburbs who are not Trump's ideal target voters
Nigerian athletes in Rio only received their Olympic kits on day 13 of the Games, the BBC has learned.
Africa's most populous country has so far won no medals at Rio, with only three more days of competition left to go.
The government had budgeted 600m naira ($1.7m; £1.3m) for the Olympics, the Vanguard reported in July. But payment problems appear to have dogged Nigerian Olympians.
Nigerian athletes in Rio only received their Olympic kits on day 13 of the Games, the BBC has learned.
Africa's most populous country has so far won no medals at Rio, with only three more days of competition left to go.
The government had budgeted 600m naira ($1.7m; £1.3m) for the Olympics, the Vanguard reported in July. But payment problems appear to have dogged Nigerian Olympians.
But a former athlete has written to me saying that he is having to sell his gold medal from a previous games for £50,000 and if I send him £5,000 so he can fund arranging the sale he will give me halfof it.
Do you think I should email him back my bank account number?
The letter I got didn't make half as much sense as that. Something about an old woman dying and leaving a gold medal to me ...
"It is no coincidence that the first thing religious bigots do when they get into power is to limit womens' freedoms. Control of clothing is one way of doing that."
Yes, Western dress was, um, traditional, until relatively recently. But that was because we were under the yoke of religion and patriarchy - and good riddance. It is good to remember how we used to dress in order not to get too uppity about how some Muslims and others still dress - but anyone who is preoccupied with how much Western women supposedly underdress really needs to get a life. Enjoy the view, re-engage brain and move on.
One day you may have daughters - it puts a different perspective on things.....
That you want to control them?
Quite. Picking up my daughter and her pal at the airport tonight from a week in Ibiza. Not expecting too much in the way of washing! We have spoken on Skype and they have had a great time, as they should.
Paul's approach reminds us that religious zealots of all stripes have more in common with each other than they do with the rest of us. It is an important lesson.
I see. So not thinking your teenage kids going round dressed like a cross between Julia Roberts in pretty woman and a chav out of Little Britain is entirely a good idea (not that mine actually do) makes you a religious zealot now?
I would have responded earlier but my eldests hairshirt sackcloth had a hole in it and needed darning while she is at prayers.
Methinks secularists of all strikes are getting worried about the future. Rightly, because tomorrow belongs to those having larger families and that aint the secularists and atheists.
"It is no coincidence that the first thing religious bigots do when they get into power is to limit womens' freedoms. Control of clothing is one way of doing that."
Yes, Western dress was, um, traditional, until relatively recently. But that was because we were under the yoke of religion and patriarchy - and good riddance. It is good to remember how we used to dress in order not to get too uppity about how some Muslims and others still dress - but anyone who is preoccupied with how much Western women supposedly underdress really needs to get a life. Enjoy the view, re-engage brain and move on.
One day you may have daughters - it puts a different perspective on things.....
That you want to control them?
Quite. Picking up my daughter and her pal at the airport tonight from a week in Ibiza. Not expecting too much in the way of washing! We have spoken on Skype and they have had a great time, as they should.
Paul's approach reminds us that religious zealots of all stripes have more in common with each other than they do with the rest of us. It is an important lesson.
I see. So not thinking your teenage kids going round dressed like a cross between Julia Roberts in pretty woman and a chav out of Little Britain is entirely a good idea (not that mine actually do) makes you a religious zealot now?
I would have responded earlier but my eldests hairshirt sackcloth had a hole in it and needed darning while she is at prayers.
Methinks secularists of all strikes are getting worried about the future. Rightly, because tomorrow belongs to those having larger families and that aint the secularists and atheists.
I'm not sure you are as zealous as you appear Paul. I noticed you asking about the beach volleyball.
I feel very uncomfortable about this sort of thing. If you have not been convicted the state should not be able to do this . Even though there does appear to be reasonable grounds for the police to have concerns in this case, it goes back to the issue of giving the state powers that you might not be so pleased about if a government of a rather different shade took advantage of.
Surely the obvious solution is to get him a job with North Yorkshire Police. That way, he gets a job and they get to keep a close eye on him.
As a man described by a judge as a narcissist, liar, sexual deviant and violent fantasist, you would expect him to fit right in as well. Indeed he might make Chief Constable in a couple of years.
"It is no coincidence that the first thing religious bigots do when they get into power is to limit womens' freedoms. Control of clothing is one way of doing that."
Yes, Western dress was, um, traditional, until relatively recently. But that was because we were under the yoke of religion and patriarchy - and good riddance. It is good to remember how we used to dress in order not to get too uppity about how some Muslims and others still dress - but anyone who is preoccupied with how much Western women supposedly underdress really needs to get a life. Enjoy the view, re-engage brain and move on.
One day you may have daughters - it puts a different perspective on things.....
That you want to control them?
Quite. Picking up my daughter and her pal at the airport tonight from a week in Ibiza. Not expecting too much in the way of washing! We have spoken on Skype and they have had a great time, as they should.
Paul's approach reminds us that religious zealots of all stripes have more in common with each other than they do with the rest of us. It is an important lesson.
I see. So not thinking your teenage kids going round dressed like a cross between Julia Roberts in pretty woman and a chav out of Little Britain is entirely a good idea (not that mine actually do) makes you a religious zealot now?
I would have responded earlier but my eldests hairshirt sackcloth had a hole in it and needed darning while she is at prayers.
Methinks secularists of all strikes are getting worried about the future. Rightly, because tomorrow belongs to those having larger families and that aint the secularists and atheists.
I'm not sure you are as zealous as you appear Paul. I noticed you asking about the beach volleyball.
I did say I was being provocative at the beginning of this......
I feel very uncomfortable about this sort of thing. If you have not been convicted the state should not be able to do this . Even though there does appear to be reasonable grounds for the police to have concerns in this case, it goes back to the issue of giving the state powers that you might not be so pleased about if a government of a rather different shade took advantage of.
Surely the obvious solution is to get him a job with North Yorkshire Police. That way, he gets a job and they get to keep a close eye on him.
As a man described by a judge as a narcissist, liar, sexual deviant and violent fantasist, you would expect him to fit right in as well. Indeed he might make Chief Constable in a couple of years.
I suspect he would fit in even better at South Yorks?
"It is no coincidence that the first thing religious bigots do when they get into power is to limit womens' freedoms. Control of clothing is one way of doing that."
Yes, Western dress was, um, traditional, until relatively recently. But that was because we were under the yoke of religion and patriarchy - and good riddance. It is good to remember how we used to dress in order not to get too uppity about how some Muslims and others still dress - but anyone who is preoccupied with how much Western women supposedly underdress really needs to get a life. Enjoy the view, re-engage brain and move on.
One day you may have daughters - it puts a different perspective on things.....
That you want to control them?
Quite. Picking up my daughter and her pal at the airport tonight from a week in Ibiza. Not expecting too much in the way of washing! We have spoken on Skype and they have had a great time, as they should.
Paul's approach reminds us that religious zealots of all stripes have more in common with each other than they do with the rest of us. It is an important lesson.
I see. So not thinking your teenage kids going round dressed like a cross between Julia Roberts in pretty woman and a chav out of Little Britain is entirely a good idea (not that mine actually do) makes you a religious zealot now?
I would have responded earlier but my eldests hairshirt sackcloth had a hole in it and needed darning while she is at prayers.
Methinks secularists of all strikes are getting worried about the future. Rightly, because tomorrow belongs to those having larger families and that aint the secularists and atheists.
I'm not sure you are as zealous as you appear Paul. I noticed you asking about the beach volleyball.
I did say I was being provocative at the beginning of this......
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No I wouldn't want to see a return to pre 1914 womens dress but things have gone a bit far the other way.
Paul's approach reminds us that religious zealots of all stripes have more in common with each other than they do with the rest of us. It is an important lesson.
That was much more transparent and less likely to get an unfair result.
Tindr is a massive culprit in this. Stupidity of the over-privilaged and coddled squared.
http://www.politico.com/story/2016/08/trump-clinton-michigan-election-227176
And did Jack win it?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-37128752
I somehow don't think the standards are quite up to the Shearaton Grand.
At the original Games....
http://www.spiked-online.com/newsite/article/in-dystopian-britain-the-police-now-hunt-down-8216pre-rapists8217/17954#.V7deP6nTXqA
Oh....
The lessons we learn from this case are:
1. Never speak to a psychiatrist and expect them to keep your discussions confidential.
2. It was pointless bringing in PACE (1984, ironically) to ensure suspects were treated fairly. Since now the Police can just do an end-run around the case, if they think someone is a wrong 'un.
3. Justice is only for the rich.
Africa's most populous country has so far won no medals at Rio, with only three more days of competition left to go.
The government had budgeted 600m naira ($1.7m; £1.3m) for the Olympics, the Vanguard reported in July. But payment problems appear to have dogged Nigerian Olympians.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-37132138
"Payment problems" is that code for something?
Clinton 42 .. Trump 34
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-election-poll-idUSKCN10U1YI?utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=Social
Do you think I should email him back my bank account number?
I would have responded earlier but my eldests hairshirt sackcloth had a hole in it and needed darning while she is at prayers.
Methinks secularists of all strikes are getting worried about the future. Rightly, because tomorrow belongs to those having larger families and that aint the secularists and atheists.
As a man described by a judge as a narcissist, liar, sexual deviant and violent fantasist, you would expect him to fit right in as well. Indeed he might make Chief Constable in a couple of years.
Almost as good as beach volleyball
1-0! Where were the cloggies?