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One day you may have daughters - it puts a different perspective on things.....Dadge said:
Yes, Western dress was, um, traditional, until relatively recently. But that was because we were under the yoke of religion and patriarchy - and good riddance. It is good to remember how we used to dress in order not to get too uppity about how some Muslims and others still dress - but anyone who is preoccupied with how much Western women supposedly underdress really needs to get a life. Enjoy the view, re-engage brain and move on.Paul_Bedfordshire said:
"It is no coincidence that the first thing religious bigots do when they get into power is to limit womens' freedoms. Control of clothing is one way of doing that."Cyclefree said:
Womens dress in the west is pretty well unique in the last two thousand years in its revealingness. Nothing like a bikini or tight clothes now worn has been seen since the latter days of Greece or Rome (at least outside elite aristocratic circles).
Peter Hitchens has pointed out that, other than face covering, modern devout muslim dress is little different "modesty" wise to womens dress in Europe prior to world war one (even in regards to "Burkini" swim suits.
It could easily be argued that the west has become decadent and hedonistic and the modest dress of Muslim Women (when not taken to extremes) is a most commendable example to us all (
Being provocative, a culture that allows women to dress revealingly and provocatively and those who use this freedom in conjunction with their sexuality to manipulate men have huge power over (the majority of) men and also gives those women who are most precocious an advantage over other women.
As with all these things a balance is required.
I think it is actually the implicit reproof of the wests godlessness and hedonism that is implicit in muslim womens dress that causes such outrage against muslims. Terrorism is a red herring.0 -
No one, but if the monarchy were later restored, it would deem all acts passed without royal assent to be void, which is what happened in 1660. Anything the Commonwealth parliaments had passed which the restored royal government wanted to retain, such as the Navigation Acts, had to be re-enacted.JackW said:
Who would sign the Act of Parliament into law ?? .....RobD said:But the forces might like the new punishment for theft....
and Parliament could simply vote the Monarchy out of existence.
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And yet it absolutely does not for loads of people who do have daughters (not myself, I hasten to add). So perhaps you mean it may put a different perspective on things, and you wish it did for everyone, but it doesn't.Paul_Bedfordshire said:
One day you may have daughters - it puts a different perspective on things.....Dadge said:
Yes, Western dress was, um, traditional, until relatively recently. But that was because we were under the yoke of religion and patriarchy - and good riddance. It is good to remember how we used to dress in order not to get too uppity about how some Muslims and others still dress - but anyone who is preoccupied with how much Western women supposedly underdress really needs to get a life. Enjoy the view, re-engage brain and move on.Paul_Bedfordshire said:
"It is no coincidence that the first thing religious bigots do when they get into power is to limit womens' freedoms. Control of clothing is one way of doing that."Cyclefree said:
Womens dress in the west is pretty well unique in the last two thousand years in its revealingness. Nothing like a bikini or tight clothes now worn has been seen since the latter days of Greece or Rome (at least outside elite aristocratic circles).
Peter Hitchens has pointed out that, other than face covering, modern devout muslim dress is little different "modesty" wise to womens dress in Europe prior to world war one (even in regards to "Burkini" swim suits.
It could easily be argued that the west has become decadent and hedonistic and the modest dress of Muslim Women (when not taken to extremes) is a most commendable example to us all (
Being provocative, a culture that allows women to dress revealingly and provocatively and those who use this freedom in conjunction with their sexuality to manipulate men have huge power over (the majority of) men and also gives those women who are most precocious an advantage over other women.
As with all these things a balance is required.
I think it is actually the implicit reproof of the wests godlessness and hedonism that is implicit in muslim womens dress that causes such outrage against muslims. Terrorism is a red herring.0 -
Quite amazing – 2 years out to recover, then another 2 years to win British Open title in 2004.MaxPB said:
Amazing story. Recovering from a broken neck to win a gold medal.SimonStClare said:
Nick Skelton is 57 & Big Star 13 – spring chickens to an old rooster such as yourself.JackW said:Nice to see a youngster winning the show jumping ....
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The Mountain fighting under the Kazakh flag. All 6' 9" of him....0
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Fast on his feet for such a big man. I fear this is not going to go well.MarqueeMark said:The Mountain fighting under the Kazakh flag. All 6' 9" of him....
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The bigger they are, the heavier they fall....DavidL said:
Fast on his feet for such a big man. I fear this is not going to go well.MarqueeMark said:The Mountain fighting under the Kazakh flag. All 6' 9" of him....
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I don't think there are many (responsible) fathers who would approve of their teenage daughters going out dressed like Julia Roberts in Pretty Woman.kle4 said:
And yet it absolutely does not for loads of people who do have daughters (not myself, I hasten to add). So perhaps you mean it may put a different perspective on things, and you wish it did for everyone, but it doesn't.Paul_Bedfordshire said:
One day you may have daughters - it puts a different perspective on things.....Dadge said:
Yes, Western dress was, um, traditional, until relatively recently. But that was because we were under the yoke of religion and patriarchy - and good riddance. It is good to remember how we used to dress in order not to get too uppity about how some Muslims and others still dress - but anyone who is preoccupied with how much Western women supposedly underdress really needs to get a life. Enjoy the view, re-engage brain and move on.Paul_Bedfordshire said:
"It is no coincidence that the first thing religious bigots do when they get into power is to limit womens' freedoms. Control of clothing is one way of doing that."Cyclefree said:
It could easily be argued that the west has become decadent and hedonistic and the modest dress of Muslim Women (when not taken to extremes) is a most commendable example to us all (
Being provocative, a culture that allows women to dress revealingly and provocatively and those who use this freedom in conjunction with their sexuality to manipulate men have huge power over (the majority of) men and also gives those women who are most precocious an advantage over other women.
As with all these things a balance is required.
I think it is actually the implicit reproof of the wests godlessness and hedonism that is implicit in muslim womens dress that causes such outrage against muslims. Terrorism is a red herring.
No I wouldn't want to see a return to pre 1914 womens dress but things have gone a bit far the other way.0 -
Hmm I'd scored that round for Joyce - but it is close.0
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Well he has tested that theory but Joyce loses the first round.MarqueeMark said:
The bigger they are, the heavier they fall....DavidL said:
Fast on his feet for such a big man. I fear this is not going to go well.MarqueeMark said:The Mountain fighting under the Kazakh flag. All 6' 9" of him....
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Well lets see if Joe is going to be robbed.0
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Appalling refereeing, that was a knockdown.0
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Another gold or silver medal for us in the super-heavies0
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That you want to control them?Paul_Bedfordshire said:
One day you may have daughters - it puts a different perspective on things.....Dadge said:
Yes, Western dress was, um, traditional, until relatively recently. But that was because we were under the yoke of religion and patriarchy - and good riddance. It is good to remember how we used to dress in order not to get too uppity about how some Muslims and others still dress - but anyone who is preoccupied with how much Western women supposedly underdress really needs to get a life. Enjoy the view, re-engage brain and move on.Paul_Bedfordshire said:
"It is no coincidence that the first thing religious bigots do when they get into power is to limit womens' freedoms. Control of clothing is one way of doing that."Cyclefree said:
Womens dress in the west is pretty well unique in the last two thousand years in its revealingness. Nothing like a bikini or tight clothes now worn has been seen since the latter days of Greece or Rome (at least outside elite aristocratic circles).
Peter Hitchens has pointed out that, other than face covering, modern devout muslim dress is little different "modesty" wise to womens dress in Europe prior to world war one (even in regards to "Burkini" swim suits.
It could easily be argued that the west has become decadent and hedonistic and the modest dress of Muslim Women (when not taken to extremes) is a most commendable example to us all (
Being provocative, a culture that allows women to dress revealingly and provocatively and those who use this freedom in conjunction with their sexuality to manipulate men have huge power over (the majority of) men and also gives those women who are most precocious an advantage over other women.
As with all these things a balance is required.
I think it is actually the implicit reproof of the wests godlessness and hedonism that is implicit in muslim womens dress that causes such outrage against muslims. Terrorism is a red herring.0 -
We're good when we send in the super-heavies.MarqueeMark said:Another gold or silver medal for us in the super-heavies
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Eric Pickles in the ring ?!? ....MarqueeMark said:The bigger they are, the heavier they fall....
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Nah, Nicholas Soames.JackW said:
Eric Pickles in the ring ?!? ....MarqueeMark said:The bigger they are, the heavier they fall....
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Quite. Picking up my daughter and her pal at the airport tonight from a week in Ibiza. Not expecting too much in the way of washing! We have spoken on Skype and they have had a great time, as they should.Charles said:
That you want to control them?Paul_Bedfordshire said:
One day you may have daughters - it puts a different perspective on things.....Dadge said:
Yes, Western dress was, um, traditional, until relatively recently. But that was because we were under the yoke of religion and patriarchy - and good riddance. It is good to remember how we used to dress in order not to get too uppity about how some Muslims and others still dress - but anyone who is preoccupied with how much Western women supposedly underdress really needs to get a life. Enjoy the view, re-engage brain and move on.Paul_Bedfordshire said:
"It is no coincidence that the first thing religious bigots do when they get into power is to limit womens' freedoms. Control of clothing is one way of doing that."Cyclefree said:
Womens dress in the west is pretty well unique in the last two thousand years in its revealingness. Nothing like a bikini or tight clothes now worn has been seen since the latter days of Greece or Rome (at least outside elite aristocratic circles).
Peter Hitchens has pointed out that, other than face covering, modern devout muslim dress is little different "modesty" wise to womens dress in Europe prior to world war one (even in regards to "Burkini" swim suits.
It could easily be argued that the west has become decadent and hedonistic and the modest dress of Muslim Women (when not taken to extremes) is a most commendable example to us all (
Being provocative, a culture that allows women to dress revealingly and provocatively and those who use this freedom in conjunction with their sexuality to manipulate men have huge power over (the majority of) men and also gives those women who are most precocious an advantage over other women.
As with all these things a balance is required.
I think it is actually the implicit reproof of the wests godlessness and hedonism that is implicit in muslim womens dress that causes such outrage against muslims. Terrorism is a red herring.
Paul's approach reminds us that religious zealots of all stripes have more in common with each other than they do with the rest of us. It is an important lesson.0 -
Been away for a while. Logged in to see Paul_Bedfordshire has converted to Islam. It's been a bit of a funny year but I didn't expect that.0
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Surprisingly enough I do have a 12-year-old daughter. And she wears what she likes.Paul_Bedfordshire said:
One day you may have daughters - it puts a different perspective on things.....Dadge said:
Yes, Western dress was, um, traditional, until relatively recently. But that was because we were under the yoke of religion and patriarchy - and good riddance. It is good to remember how we used to dress in order not to get too uppity about how some Muslims and others still dress - but anyone who is preoccupied with how much Western women supposedly underdress really needs to get a life. Enjoy the view, re-engage brain and move on.Paul_Bedfordshire said:
"It is no coincidence that the first thing religious bigots do when they get into power is to limit womens' freedoms. Control of clothing is one way of doing that."Cyclefree said:
Womens dress in the west is pretty well unique in the last two thousand years in its revealingness. Nothing like a bikini or tight clothes now worn has been seen since the latter days of Greece or Rome (at least outside elite aristocratic circles).
Peter Hitchens has pointed out that, other than face covering, modern devout muslim dress is little different "modesty" wise to womens dress in Europe prior to world war one (even in regards to "Burkini" swim suits.
It could easily be argued that the west has become decadent and hedonistic and the modest dress of Muslim Women (when not taken to extremes) is a most commendable example to us all (
Being provocative, a culture that allows women to dress revealingly and provocatively and those who use this freedom in conjunction with their sexuality to manipulate men have huge power over (the majority of) men and also gives those women who are most precocious an advantage over other women.
As with all these things a balance is required.
I think it is actually the implicit reproof of the wests godlessness and hedonism that is implicit in muslim womens dress that causes such outrage against muslims. Terrorism is a red herring.0 -
My 14 year old is all "gender non-binary". Not yawning is difficult.Dadge said:
Surprisingly enough I do have a 12-year-old daughter. And she wears what she likes.Paul_Bedfordshire said:
One day you may have daughters - it puts a different perspective on things.....Dadge said:
Yes, Western dress was, um, traditional, until relatively recently. But that was because we were under the yoke of religion and patriarchy - and good riddance. It is good to remember how we used to dress in order not to get too uppity about how some Muslims and others still dress - but anyone who is preoccupied with how much Western women supposedly underdress really needs to get a life. Enjoy the view, re-engage brain and move on.Paul_Bedfordshire said:
"It is no coincidence that the first thing religious bigots do when they get into power is to limit womens' freedoms. Control of clothing is one way of doing that."Cyclefree said:
Womens dress in the west is pretty well unique in the last two thousand years in its revealingness. Nothing like a bikini or tight clothes now worn has been seen since the latter days of Greece or Rome (at least outside elite aristocratic circles).
Peter Hitchens has pointed out that, other than face covering, modern devout muslim dress is little different "modesty" wise to womens dress in Europe prior to world war one (even in regards to "Burkini" swim suits.
It could easily be argued that the west has become decadent and hedonistic and the modest dress of Muslim Women (when not taken to extremes) is a most commendable example to us all (
Being provocative, a culture that allows women to dress revealingly and provocatively and those who use this freedom in conjunction with their sexuality to manipulate men have huge power over (the majority of) men and also gives those women who are most precocious an advantage over other women.
As with all these things a balance is required.
I think it is actually the implicit reproof of the wests godlessness and hedonism that is implicit in muslim womens dress that causes such outrage against muslims. Terrorism is a red herring.0 -
Tom Daley's last chance to make the SPOTY shortlist...0
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You might want to pay attention, there'll be a test later.pbr2013 said:
My 14 year old is all "gender non-binary". Not yawning is difficult.Dadge said:
Surprisingly enough I do have a 12-year-old daughter. And she wears what she likes.Paul_Bedfordshire said:
One day you may have daughters - it puts a different perspective on things.....Dadge said:
Yes, Western dress was, um, traditional, until relatively recently. But that was because we were under the yoke of religion and patriarchy - and good riddance. It is good to remember how we used to dress in order not to get too uppity about how some Muslims and others still dress - but anyone who is preoccupied with how much Western women supposedly underdress really needs to get a life. Enjoy the view, re-engage brain and move on.Paul_Bedfordshire said:
"It is no coincidence that the first thing religious bigots do when they get into power is to limit womens' freedoms. Control of clothing is one way of doing that."Cyclefree said:
Womens dress in the west is pretty well unique in the last two thousand years in its revealingness. Nothing like a bikini or tight clothes now worn has been seen since the latter days of Greece or Rome (at least outside elite aristocratic circles).
Peter Hitchens has pointed out that, other than face covering, modern devout muslim dress is little different "modesty" wise to womens dress in Europe prior to world war one (even in regards to "Burkini" swim suits.
It could easily be argued that the west has become decadent and hedonistic and the modest dress of Muslim Women (when not taken to extremes) is a most commendable example to us all (
Being provocative, a culture that allows women to dress revealingly and provocatively and those who use this freedom in conjunction with their sexuality to manipulate men have huge power over (the majority of) men and also gives those women who are most precocious an advantage over other women.
As with all these things a balance is required.
I think it is actually the implicit reproof of the wests godlessness and hedonism that is implicit in muslim womens dress that causes such outrage against muslims. Terrorism is a red herring.0 -
pb.com won't exist then.MikeK said:
Mr. Bedfordshire, If and when the muslims become a majority in Britain and Islam is rampant, don't come to PB crying when some islamic judge has your tongue pulled out or your hand cut off for some minor infringment.Paul_Bedfordshire said:
Just the modern excuse to carry being imperialist while pretending we are not imperialist.MTimT said:
But that argument is coming close to justification of slavery and other things so long as we don't do it.Paul_Bedfordshire said:
While I think it is vile and rightly illegal in the UK, what F*** business of ours is it if other countries permit the practice. Or is the sovereignty of nations only valid when they act like good Guardian readers.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. StClare, quite.
Be intriguing to compare convictions for FGM to convictions for living up to Cameron's dictum on Twitter.
Let it not be forgotten that the British Empire was far more a moralising guardianista crusade to civilize primative people than a bunch of right wing thugs looting for their own gain.
In the modern world, there is the concept of universal human rights which does, under international law, transcend national sovereignty.
We decide our values are superior and we will impose it on countries that disagree. Two hundred years it was about imposing "Christian Civilization" on "primative" people for their own good, now it is about imposing human rights on them for their own good.
I'm not necessarily saying our values are not superior - I'm just calling out the hypocracy of the stop the war lefty types.
Also it is just this attitude that resulted in Iraq.0 -
LOL. Sounds familiar!corporeal said:
You might want to pay attention, there'll be a test later.pbr2013 said:
My 14 year old is all "gender non-binary". Not yawning is difficult.Dadge said:
Surprisingly enough I do have a 12-year-old daughter. And she wears what she likes.Paul_Bedfordshire said:
One day you may have daughters - it puts a different perspective on things.....Dadge said:
Yes, Western dress was, um, traditional, until relatively recently. But that was because we were under the yoke of religion and patriarchy - and good riddance. It is good to remember how we used to dress in order not to get too uppity about how some Muslims and others still dress - but anyone who is preoccupied with how much Western women supposedly underdress really needs to get a life. Enjoy the view, re-engage brain and move on.Paul_Bedfordshire said:
"It is no coincidence that the first thing religious bigots do when they get into power is to limit womens' freedoms. Control of clothing is one way of doing that."Cyclefree said:
Womens dress in the west is pretty well unique in the last two thousand years in its revealingness. Nothing like a bikini or tight clothes now worn has been seen since the latter days of Greece or Rome (at least outside elite aristocratic circles).
Peter Hitchens has pointed out that, other than face covering, modern devout muslim dress is little different "modesty" wise to womens dress in Europe prior to world war one (even in regards to "Burkini" swim suits.
It could easily be argued that the west has become decadent and hedonistic and the modest dress of Muslim Women (when not taken to extremes) is a most commendable example to us all (
Being provocative, a culture that allows women to dress revealingly and provocatively and those who use this freedom in conjunction with their sexuality to manipulate men have huge power over (the majority of) men and also gives those women who are most precocious an advantage over other women.
As with all these things a balance is required.
I think it is actually the implicit reproof of the wests godlessness and hedonism that is implicit in muslim womens dress that causes such outrage against muslims. Terrorism is a red herring.0 -
Awesome. Looks like another Chinese gold to me. We need one more gold....Pulpstar said:0 -
Why not go back to the Olympic scoring where each good punch got a point?
That was much more transparent and less likely to get an unfair result.0 -
Don't I know it. Pronouns. Like I said, not yawning is difficult.MaxPB said:
Yup, needs the gold to be in with a chance. The quality of the shortlist this year is going to be higher than ever.Pulpstar said:Tom Daley's last chance to make the SPOTY shortlist...
Tindr is a massive culprit in this. Stupidity of the over-privilaged and coddled squared.0 -
Sorry, I meant one more we are not "meant" to get. In the hockey we are playing the world champions so a win would be against the rankings, if not current form. Something like that. I think we are expecting Mo to deliver again and Nicola.AramintaMoonbeamQC said:0 -
Against Slugger Soames....JackW said:
Eric Pickles in the ring ?!? ....MarqueeMark said:The bigger they are, the heavier they fall....
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Oops. Fat finger. Meant to reply to Corporeal.pbr2013 said:
Don't I know it. Pronouns. Like I said, not yawning is difficult.MaxPB said:
Yup, needs the gold to be in with a chance. The quality of the shortlist this year is going to be higher than ever.Pulpstar said:Tom Daley's last chance to make the SPOTY shortlist...
Tindr is a massive culprit in this. Stupidity of the over-privilaged and coddled squared.0 -
It was the shock of Brexitpbr2013 said:Been away for a while. Logged in to see Paul_Bedfordshire has converted to Islam. It's been a bit of a funny year but I didn't expect that.
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Think the men's TK would be a bonus and Joe Joyce in the boxing - there's another division of women's TK as well - in with a decent chance there, too.DavidL said:
Sorry, I meant one more we are not "meant" to get. In the hockey we are playing the world champions so a win would be against the rankings, if not current form. Something like that. I think we are expecting Mo to deliver again and Nicola.AramintaMoonbeamQC said:0 -
It's come down to cheering the French lass in the boxing - Anyone But China in the gold medal clashes.....0
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Daniel Strauss of "Politico" looks at why Trump's Rust State strategy is failing in Michigan :
http://www.politico.com/story/2016/08/trump-clinton-michigan-election-2271760 -
I've posted this already but it is disgraceful he had to represent himself. Wtf?! the cuts have gone too far in some cases.0
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-york-north-yorkshire-37134899nunu said:I've posted this already but it is disgraceful he had to represent himself. Wtf?! the cuts have gone too far in some cases.
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Hah! Mine is 4 and I already know what you mean!DavidL said:
Quite. Picking up my daughter and her pal at the airport tonight from a week in Ibiza. Not expecting too much in the way of washing! We have spoken on Skype and they have had a great time, as they should.Charles said:
That you want to control them?Paul_Bedfordshire said:
One day you may have daughters - it puts a different perspective on things.....
Paul's approach reminds us that religious zealots of all stripes have more in common with each other than they do with the rest of us. It is an important lesson.0 -
I agree on both of them. Harchegani is the current European Champion and I think has beat Mohammed before. But you never know.AramintaMoonbeamQC said:
Think the men's TK would be a bonus and Joe Joyce in the boxing - there's another division of women's TK as well - in with a decent chance there, too.DavidL said:
Sorry, I meant one more we are not "meant" to get. In the hockey we are playing the world champions so a win would be against the rankings, if not current form. Something like that. I think we are expecting Mo to deliver again and Nicola.AramintaMoonbeamQC said:0 -
Chinese vs French in the boxing....neither been this conflicted between Alien vs Predrator since it was Dawn Butler vs Sarah Teather.0
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I can never believe how close their heads go to that concrete platform.0
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I feel very uncomfortable about this sort of thing. If you have not been convicted the state should not be able to do this . Even though there does appear to be reasonable grounds for the police to have concerns in this case, it goes back to the issue of giving the state powers that you might not be so pleased about if a government of a rather different shade took advantage of.nunu said:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-york-north-yorkshire-37134899nunu said:I've posted this already but it is disgraceful he had to represent himself. Wtf?! the cuts have gone too far in some cases.
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Allez les européens!FrancisUrquhart said:Chinese vs French in the boxing....neither been this conflicted between Alien vs Predrator since it was Dawn Butler vs Sarah Teather.
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I’ve settled for polite applause for the French lass – any more would be not quite British.MarqueeMark said:It's come down to cheering the French lass in the boxing - Anyone But China in the gold medal clashes.....
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Roy Hodgson and the England team have SPOTY in the bag.0
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My daughter is now 23. Never had any cause to worry or remonstrate. In some ways she's older than I am.0
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What is the oldest ever?MarqueeMark said:I think we also have the oldest Gold of these Olympics.
And did Jack win it?0 -
A wise man once sang, "I was so much older then; I'm younger than that now."John_M said:My daughter is now 23. Never had any cause to worry or remonstrate. In some ways she's older than I am.
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Bravo, French lass....0
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Senior Olympic official Pat Hickey is being held in a notorious Rio prison following his arrest over alleged illegal sales of tickets for the games.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-37128752
I somehow don't think the standards are quite up to the Shearaton Grand.0 -
Jack won the hundred metres .....chasing matron.Paul_Bedfordshire said:
What is the oldest ever?MarqueeMark said:I think we also have the oldest Gold of these Olympics.
And did Jack win it?
At the original Games....0 -
Interesting article on the subject of these sexual risk orders at Spiked.
http://www.spiked-online.com/newsite/article/in-dystopian-britain-the-police-now-hunt-down-8216pre-rapists8217/17954#.V7deP6nTXqA0 -
Well, he deserves it, for selling so few tickets.FrancisUrquhart said:Senior Olympic official Pat Hickey is being held in a notorious Rio prison following his arrest over alleged illegal sales of tickets for the games.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-37128752
I somehow don't think the standards are quite up to the Shearaton Grand.
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Doesn't sound like JackW.williamglenn said:
A wise man once sang, "I was so much older then; I'm younger than that now."John_M said:My daughter is now 23. Never had any cause to worry or remonstrate. In some ways she's older than I am.
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That's more than half and hour and Pogba has not scored. What a waste of money.0
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Quite. Hopefully the publicity will get him a good lawyer pro bono.Paul_Bedfordshire said:
I feel very uncomfortable about this sort of thing. If you have not been convicted the state should not be able to do this . Even though there does appear to be reasonable grounds for the police to have concerns in this case, it goes back to the issue of giving the state powers that you might not be so pleased about if a government of a rather different shade took advantage of.nunu said:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-york-north-yorkshire-37134899nunu said:I've posted this already but it is disgraceful he had to represent himself. Wtf?! the cuts have gone too far in some cases.
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Usain Bolt wasn't the first to do the treble treble ....MarqueeMark said:Jack won the hundred metres .....chasing matron.
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Well he used to be 104...OldKingCole said:
Doesn't sound like JackW.williamglenn said:
A wise man once sang, "I was so much older then; I'm younger than that now."John_M said:My daughter is now 23. Never had any cause to worry or remonstrate. In some ways she's older than I am.
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Eighty years ago......williamglenn said:
Well he used to be 104...OldKingCole said:
Doesn't sound like JackW.williamglenn said:
A wise man once sang, "I was so much older then; I'm younger than that now."John_M said:My daughter is now 23. Never had any cause to worry or remonstrate. In some ways she's older than I am.
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Thank god for the red button. BBC1 spends most of its time talking and interviewing. Meanwhile BBC4 is showing Latvia against Venezuela in the basketball.0
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Sandpit said:
Quite. Hopefully the publicity will get him a good lawyer pro bono.Paul_Bedfordshire said:
I feel very uncomfortable about this sort of thing. If you have not been convicted the state should not be able to do this . Even though there does appear to be reasonable grounds for the police to have concerns in this case, it goes back to the issue of giving the state powers that you might not be so pleased about if a government of a rather different shade took advantage of.nunu said:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-york-north-yorkshire-37134899nunu said:I've posted this already but it is disgraceful he had to represent himself. Wtf?! the cuts have gone too far in some cases.
The lessons we learn from this case are:
1. Never speak to a psychiatrist and expect them to keep your discussions confidential.
2. It was pointless bringing in PACE (1984, ironically) to ensure suspects were treated fairly. Since now the Police can just do an end-run around the case, if they think someone is a wrong 'un.
3. Justice is only for the rich.
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You must be very young if you've only just realised point 3.MarkHopkins said:Sandpit said:
Quite. Hopefully the publicity will get him a good lawyer pro bono.Paul_Bedfordshire said:
I feel very uncomfortable about this sort of thing. If you have not been convicted the state should not be able to do this . Even though there does appear to be reasonable grounds for the police to have concerns in this case, it goes back to the issue of giving the state powers that you might not be so pleased about if a government of a rather different shade took advantage of.nunu said:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-york-north-yorkshire-37134899nunu said:I've posted this already but it is disgraceful he had to represent himself. Wtf?! the cuts have gone too far in some cases.
The lessons we learn from this case are:
1. Never speak to a psychiatrist and expect them to keep your discussions confidential.
2. It was pointless bringing in PACE (1984, ironically) to ensure suspects were treated fairly. Since now the Police can just do an end-run around the case, if they think someone is a wrong 'un.
3. Justice is only for the rich.
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You and Jezza being the only ones watching that.Dadge said:Thank god for the red button. BBC1 spends most of its time talking and interviewing. Meanwhile BBC4 is showing Latvia against Venezuela in the basketball.
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Sadly this and other events show that NHS Medical staff are now state apparatchiks who have to be treated with caution in what you tell them because it will be taken down and may be used as evidence against you.MarkHopkins said:Sandpit said:
Quite. Hopefully the publicity will get him a good lawyer pro bono.Paul_Bedfordshire said:
I feel very uncomfortable about this sort of thing. If you have not been convicted the state should not be able to do this . Even though there does appear to be reasonable grounds for the police to have concerns in this case, it goes back to the issue of giving the state powers that you might not be so pleased about if a government of a rather different shade took advantage of.nunu said:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-york-north-yorkshire-37134899nunu said:I've posted this already but it is disgraceful he had to represent himself. Wtf?! the cuts have gone too far in some cases.
The lessons we learn from this case are:
1. Never speak to a psychiatrist and expect them to keep your discussions confidential.
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Nigerian athletes in Rio only received their Olympic kits on day 13 of the Games, the BBC has learned.
Africa's most populous country has so far won no medals at Rio, with only three more days of competition left to go.
The government had budgeted 600m naira ($1.7m; £1.3m) for the Olympics, the Vanguard reported in July. But payment problems appear to have dogged Nigerian Olympians.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-37132138
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Is there some beach volleyball on thenFrancisUrquhart said:
You and Jezza being the only ones watching that.Dadge said:Thank god for the red button. BBC1 spends most of its time talking and interviewing. Meanwhile BBC4 is showing Latvia against Venezuela in the basketball.
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But a former athlete has written to me saying that he is having to sell his gold medal from a previous games for £50,000 and if I send him £5,000 so he can fund arranging the sale he will give me halfof it.FrancisUrquhart said:Nigerian athletes in Rio only received their Olympic kits on day 13 of the Games, the BBC has learned.
Africa's most populous country has so far won no medals at Rio, with only three more days of competition left to go.
The government had budgeted 600m naira ($1.7m; £1.3m) for the Olympics, the Vanguard reported in July. But payment problems appear to have dogged Nigerian Olympians.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-37132138
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"So you've won a gold medal. What was it like when Tom Daley knew who you were?"Dadge said:Thank god for the red button. BBC1 spends most of its time talking and interviewing.
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I doubt Trump will win Michigan even in the unlikely event he wins nationally, Detroit will see to that and as the article suggests it also has a lot of Romney type establishment Republicans in the wealthy suburbs who are not Trump's ideal target votersJackW said:Daniel Strauss of "Politico" looks at why Trump's Rust State strategy is failing in Michigan :
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They didn't give it to a General to disburse did they?FrancisUrquhart said:Nigerian athletes in Rio only received their Olympic kits on day 13 of the Games, the BBC has learned.
Africa's most populous country has so far won no medals at Rio, with only three more days of competition left to go.
The government had budgeted 600m naira ($1.7m; £1.3m) for the Olympics, the Vanguard reported in July. But payment problems appear to have dogged Nigerian Olympians.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-37132138
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The letter I got didn't make half as much sense as that. Something about an old woman dying and leaving a gold medal to me ...Paul_Bedfordshire said:
But a former athlete has written to me saying that he is having to sell his gold medal from a previous games for £50,000 and if I send him £5,000 so he can fund arranging the sale he will give me halfof it.FrancisUrquhart said:Nigerian athletes in Rio only received their Olympic kits on day 13 of the Games, the BBC has learned.
Africa's most populous country has so far won no medals at Rio, with only three more days of competition left to go.
The government had budgeted 600m naira ($1.7m; £1.3m) for the Olympics, the Vanguard reported in July. But payment problems appear to have dogged Nigerian Olympians.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-37132138
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You're never going to win anything with an anthem like that, Dutch people.0
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I see. So not thinking your teenage kids going round dressed like a cross between Julia Roberts in pretty woman and a chav out of Little Britain is entirely a good idea (not that mine actually do) makes you a religious zealot now?DavidL said:
Quite. Picking up my daughter and her pal at the airport tonight from a week in Ibiza. Not expecting too much in the way of washing! We have spoken on Skype and they have had a great time, as they should.Charles said:
That you want to control them?Paul_Bedfordshire said:
One day you may have daughters - it puts a different perspective on things.....Dadge said:
Yes, Western dress was, um, traditional, until relatively recently. But that was because we were under the yoke of religion and patriarchy - and good riddance. It is good to remember how we used to dress in order not to get too uppity about how some Muslims and others still dress - but anyone who is preoccupied with how much Western women supposedly underdress really needs to get a life. Enjoy the view, re-engage brain and move on.Paul_Bedfordshire said:
"It is no coincidence that the first thing religious bigots do when they get into power is to limit womens' freedoms. Control of clothing is one way of doing that."Cyclefree said:
Paul's approach reminds us that religious zealots of all stripes have more in common with each other than they do with the rest of us. It is an important lesson.
I would have responded earlier but my eldests hairshirt sackcloth had a hole in it and needed darning while she is at prayers.
Methinks secularists of all strikes are getting worried about the future. Rightly, because tomorrow belongs to those having larger families and that aint the secularists and atheists.0 -
Poland?tlg86 said:And where are the Germans?
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Just hope it's not Poland.....tlg86 said:And where are the Germans?
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I'm not sure you are as zealous as you appear Paul. I noticed you asking about the beach volleyball.Paul_Bedfordshire said:
I see. So not thinking your teenage kids going round dressed like a cross between Julia Roberts in pretty woman and a chav out of Little Britain is entirely a good idea (not that mine actually do) makes you a religious zealot now?DavidL said:
Quite. Picking up my daughter and her pal at the airport tonight from a week in Ibiza. Not expecting too much in the way of washing! We have spoken on Skype and they have had a great time, as they should.Charles said:
That you want to control them?Paul_Bedfordshire said:
One day you may have daughters - it puts a different perspective on things.....Dadge said:
Yes, Western dress was, um, traditional, until relatively recently. But that was because we were under the yoke of religion and patriarchy - and good riddance. It is good to remember how we used to dress in order not to get too uppity about how some Muslims and others still dress - but anyone who is preoccupied with how much Western women supposedly underdress really needs to get a life. Enjoy the view, re-engage brain and move on.Paul_Bedfordshire said:
"It is no coincidence that the first thing religious bigots do when they get into power is to limit womens' freedoms. Control of clothing is one way of doing that."Cyclefree said:
Paul's approach reminds us that religious zealots of all stripes have more in common with each other than they do with the rest of us. It is an important lesson.
I would have responded earlier but my eldests hairshirt sackcloth had a hole in it and needed darning while she is at prayers.
Methinks secularists of all strikes are getting worried about the future. Rightly, because tomorrow belongs to those having larger families and that aint the secularists and atheists.0 -
Surely the obvious solution is to get him a job with North Yorkshire Police. That way, he gets a job and they get to keep a close eye on him.Paul_Bedfordshire said:
I feel very uncomfortable about this sort of thing. If you have not been convicted the state should not be able to do this . Even though there does appear to be reasonable grounds for the police to have concerns in this case, it goes back to the issue of giving the state powers that you might not be so pleased about if a government of a rather different shade took advantage of.nunu said:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-york-north-yorkshire-37134899nunu said:I've posted this already but it is disgraceful he had to represent himself. Wtf?! the cuts have gone too far in some cases.
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-37133037tlg86 said:And where are the Germans?
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I did say I was being provocative at the beginning of this......DavidL said:
I'm not sure you are as zealous as you appear Paul. I noticed you asking about the beach volleyball.Paul_Bedfordshire said:
I see. So not thinking your teenage kids going round dressed like a cross between Julia Roberts in pretty woman and a chav out of Little Britain is entirely a good idea (not that mine actually do) makes you a religious zealot now?DavidL said:
Quite. Picking up my daughter and her pal at the airport tonight from a week in Ibiza. Not expecting too much in the way of washing! We have spoken on Skype and they have had a great time, as they should.Charles said:
That you want to control them?Paul_Bedfordshire said:
One day you may have daughters - it puts a different perspective on things.....Dadge said:
Yes, Western dress was, um, traditional, until relatively recently. But that was because we were under the yoke of religion and patriarchy - and good riddance. It is good to remember how we used to dress in order not to get too uppity about how some Muslims and others still dress - but anyone who is preoccupied with how much Western women supposedly underdress really needs to get a life. Enjoy the view, re-engage brain and move on.Paul_Bedfordshire said:
"It is no coincidence that the first thing religious bigots do when they get into power is to limit womens' freedoms. Control of clothing is one way of doing that."Cyclefree said:
Paul's approach reminds us that religious zealots of all stripes have more in common with each other than they do with the rest of us. It is an important lesson.
I would have responded earlier but my eldests hairshirt sackcloth had a hole in it and needed darning while she is at prayers.
Methinks secularists of all strikes are getting worried about the future. Rightly, because tomorrow belongs to those having larger families and that aint the secularists and atheists.0 -
Penalty for the dutch in the private/grammar/boarding girls jolly hockey sticks.0
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I suspect he would fit in even better at South Yorks?ydoethur said:
Surely the obvious solution is to get him a job with North Yorkshire Police. That way, he gets a job and they get to keep a close eye on him.Paul_Bedfordshire said:
I feel very uncomfortable about this sort of thing. If you have not been convicted the state should not be able to do this . Even though there does appear to be reasonable grounds for the police to have concerns in this case, it goes back to the issue of giving the state powers that you might not be so pleased about if a government of a rather different shade took advantage of.nunu said:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-york-north-yorkshire-37134899nunu said:I've posted this already but it is disgraceful he had to represent himself. Wtf?! the cuts have gone too far in some cases.
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So you did. And it stirred a lively debate.Paul_Bedfordshire said:
I did say I was being provocative at the beginning of this......DavidL said:
I'm not sure you are as zealous as you appear Paul. I noticed you asking about the beach volleyball.Paul_Bedfordshire said:
I see. So not thinking your teenage kids going round dressed like a cross between Julia Roberts in pretty woman and a chav out of Little Britain is entirely a good idea (not that mine actually do) makes you a religious zealot now?DavidL said:
Quite. Picking up my daughter and her pal at the airport tonight from a week in Ibiza. Not expecting too much in the way of washing! We have spoken on Skype and they have had a great time, as they should.Charles said:
That you want to control them?Paul_Bedfordshire said:
One day you may have daughters - it puts a different perspective on things.....Dadge said:
Yes, Western dress was, um, traditional, until relatively recently. But that was because we were under the yoke of religion and patriarchy - and good riddance. It is good to remember how we used to dress in order not to get too uppity about how some Muslims and others still dress - but anyone who is preoccupied with how much Western women supposedly underdress really needs to get a life. Enjoy the view, re-engage brain and move on.Paul_Bedfordshire said:
"It is no coincidence that the first thing religious bigots do when they get into power is to limit womens' freedoms. Control of clothing is one way of doing that."Cyclefree said:
Paul's approach reminds us that religious zealots of all stripes have more in common with each other than they do with the rest of us. It is an important lesson.
I would have responded earlier but my eldests hairshirt sackcloth had a hole in it and needed darning while she is at prayers.
Methinks secularists of all strikes are getting worried about the future. Rightly, because tomorrow belongs to those having larger families and that aint the secularists and atheists.0 -
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