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And Philip Hammond is bringing a gun to a knife fightTheScreamingEagles said:WHAT!
You can't name the cat Cromwell, that's an insult to Her Majesty.
Cabinet office 'set to appoint cat called Cromwell as Chief Mouser'
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/08/03/cabinet-office-set-to-appoint-cat-called-cromwell-as-chief-mouse/
Is Philip Hammond about to move his 'cat-hating' dog in next to Larry and Palmerston?
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/07/29/is-philip-hammond-about-to-move-his-cat-hating-dog-in-next-to-la/0 -
Still at Number 10, but keeps on getting beaten up by the other catsPhilip_Thompson said:
What's happened to Larry?TheScreamingEagles said:WHAT!
You can't name the cat Cromwell, that's an insult to Her Majesty.
Cabinet office 'set to appoint cat called Cromwell as Chief Mouser'
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/08/03/cabinet-office-set-to-appoint-cat-called-cromwell-as-chief-mouse/0 -
It's a tribute to a former PB poster and his undying support of Rubio ....TheScreamingEagles said:WHAT!
You can't name the cat Cromwell, that's an insult to Her Majesty.
Cabinet office 'set to appoint cat called Cromwell as Chief Mouser'
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/08/03/cabinet-office-set-to-appoint-cat-called-cromwell-as-chief-mouse/
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Another insult to the Queen, naming it after someone who told the monarch to know their place (and was executed for their principles)Sunil_Prasannan said:
Maybe it's Thomas CromwellTheScreamingEagles said:WHAT!
You can't name the cat Cromwell, that's an insult to Her Majesty.
Cabinet office 'set to appoint cat called Cromwell as Chief Mouser'
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/08/03/cabinet-office-set-to-appoint-cat-called-cromwell-as-chief-mouse/
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Anyone seen the Private Eye take on Larry’s being beaten up?TheScreamingEagles said:
Still at Number 10, but keeps on getting beaten up by the other catsPhilip_Thompson said:
What's happened to Larry?TheScreamingEagles said:WHAT!
You can't name the cat Cromwell, that's an insult to Her Majesty.
Cabinet office 'set to appoint cat called Cromwell as Chief Mouser'
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/08/03/cabinet-office-set-to-appoint-cat-called-cromwell-as-chief-mouse/0 -
Maybe it's James Cromwell? Played Philip in "The Queen"?TheScreamingEagles said:
Another insult to the Queen, naming it after someone who told the monarch to know their place (and was executed for their principles)Sunil_Prasannan said:
Maybe it's Thomas CromwellTheScreamingEagles said:WHAT!
You can't name the cat Cromwell, that's an insult to Her Majesty.
Cabinet office 'set to appoint cat called Cromwell as Chief Mouser'
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/08/03/cabinet-office-set-to-appoint-cat-called-cromwell-as-chief-mouse/0 -
Carswell argues with himself?Philip_Thompson said:
Even UKIP regularly gets Parliamentary rebellions.logical_song said:
Probably only UKIP and the LibDems have a totally united Parliamentary Party.kle4 said:
Er, yes, obviously. I was making the point that just because the LDs are small does not mean they cannot split, or that it would be difficult to split into its factions. Even small parties are coalitions of opinions, therefore potentially open to split.logical_song said:
I understand that several Conservative and several Labour members also voted in different ways in the referendum. By your definition no party is a unified force.kle4 said:
Even the remaining LDs are not a unified force - several LD members on here voted for Leave, for instance.felix said:
A LD split into factions would be...an achievement!John_M said:
Lib Dems beware, lest Theresa May's Sauronic eye fall upon thee, to your enduring and utter woe.rottenborough said:
A split in UKIP would add to May's joys immensely.Ishmael_X said:
With UKIP there isn't the "OMG but the brand is so valuable" objection to starting a new party - rather the reverse.TheScreamingEagles said:
"Brexit" would be a snappy enough name for a political party.0 -
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"The UK economy is contracting at its fastest rate since the financial crisis, making an interest rate cut "a foregone conclusion", according to financial data company Markit."
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-369620590 -
Both Labour and Ukip have a pretty shoddy approach to democratically electing their leaders
Labour Centrists trying to keep Corbyn off the ballot, and kippers of both sides making the rules up as they go along with regard to Suzanne Evans and Steven Woolfe
May an even luckier leader than Cameron in terms of oppo? Probably the right person to steady the shipping Brexit vote0 -
There’s more than one House in Parliament.logical_song said:
Carswell argues with himself?Philip_Thompson said:
Even UKIP regularly gets Parliamentary rebellions.logical_song said:
Probably only UKIP and the LibDems have a totally united Parliamentary Party.kle4 said:
Er, yes, obviously. I was making the point that just because the LDs are small does not mean they cannot split, or that it would be difficult to split into its factions. Even small parties are coalitions of opinions, therefore potentially open to split.logical_song said:
I understand that several Conservative and several Labour members also voted in different ways in the referendum. By your definition no party is a unified force.kle4 said:
Even the remaining LDs are not a unified force - several LD members on here voted for Leave, for instance.felix said:
A LD split into factions would be...an achievement!John_M said:
Lib Dems beware, lest Theresa May's Sauronic eye fall upon thee, to your enduring and utter woe.rottenborough said:
A split in UKIP would add to May's joys immensely.Ishmael_X said:
With UKIP there isn't the "OMG but the brand is so valuable" objection to starting a new party - rather the reverse.TheScreamingEagles said:
"Brexit" would be a snappy enough name for a political party.0 -
I’m sure HMQ would be tickled pink, as it happened under the house of Stuart.TheScreamingEagles said:
Another insult to the Queen, naming it after someone who told the monarch to know their place (and was executed for their principles)Sunil_Prasannan said:
Maybe it's Thomas CromwellTheScreamingEagles said:WHAT!
You can't name the cat Cromwell, that's an insult to Her Majesty.
Cabinet office 'set to appoint cat called Cromwell as Chief Mouser'
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/08/03/cabinet-office-set-to-appoint-cat-called-cromwell-as-chief-mouse/
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The story of the Labour Police Commissioner candidate who had to stand down because of a teenage conviction reminded me of Simon Weston. In Wales we were denied the chance to vote for that courageous man in a Police Commissioner election because he had a minor conviction 35 years earlier. It struck me at the time that if ever there was an individual who was entitled to say that he had lived down the indiscretion of youth it was he. But he was barred. I am surprised that the Act has not been amended since.0
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I thought Henry VIII was of The House of TudorSimonStClare said:
I’m sure HMQ would be tickled pink, as it happened under the house of Stuart.TheScreamingEagles said:
Another insult to the Queen, naming it after someone who told the monarch to know their place (and was executed for their principles)Sunil_Prasannan said:
Maybe it's Thomas CromwellTheScreamingEagles said:WHAT!
You can't name the cat Cromwell, that's an insult to Her Majesty.
Cabinet office 'set to appoint cat called Cromwell as Chief Mouser'
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/08/03/cabinet-office-set-to-appoint-cat-called-cromwell-as-chief-mouse/
Edit: You're talking about Charles I0 -
Thomas Cromwell was executed during the reign of Henry VIII, a Tudor. It was a great nephew (IIRC) who executed a Stuart.SimonStClare said:
I’m sure HMQ would be tickled pink, as it happened under the house of Stuart.TheScreamingEagles said:
Another insult to the Queen, naming it after someone who told the monarch to know their place (and was executed for their principles)Sunil_Prasannan said:
Maybe it's Thomas CromwellTheScreamingEagles said:WHAT!
You can't name the cat Cromwell, that's an insult to Her Majesty.
Cabinet office 'set to appoint cat called Cromwell as Chief Mouser'
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/08/03/cabinet-office-set-to-appoint-cat-called-cromwell-as-chief-mouse/0 -
Wasn't that Thomas More?TheScreamingEagles said:
Another insult to the Queen, naming it after someone who told the monarch to know their place (and was executed for their principles)Sunil_Prasannan said:
Maybe it's Thomas CromwellTheScreamingEagles said:WHAT!
You can't name the cat Cromwell, that's an insult to Her Majesty.
Cabinet office 'set to appoint cat called Cromwell as Chief Mouser'
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/08/03/cabinet-office-set-to-appoint-cat-called-cromwell-as-chief-mouse/0 -
When he was at the Admiralty Churchill wanted to name a ship Cromwell. George V told him where he could shove it. Quite right too!TheScreamingEagles said:WHAT!
You can't name the cat Cromwell, that's an insult to Her Majesty.
Cabinet office 'set to appoint cat called Cromwell as Chief Mouser'
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/08/03/cabinet-office-set-to-appoint-cat-called-cromwell-as-chief-mouse/0 -
Indeed. - As a foot note, this battle of the Downing St cats really is silly season stuff.TheScreamingEagles said:
I thought Henry VIII was of The House of TudorSimonStClare said:
I’m sure HMQ would be tickled pink, as it happened under the house of Stuart.TheScreamingEagles said:
Another insult to the Queen, naming it after someone who told the monarch to know their place (and was executed for their principles)Sunil_Prasannan said:
Maybe it's Thomas CromwellTheScreamingEagles said:WHAT!
You can't name the cat Cromwell, that's an insult to Her Majesty.
Cabinet office 'set to appoint cat called Cromwell as Chief Mouser'
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/08/03/cabinet-office-set-to-appoint-cat-called-cromwell-as-chief-mouse/
Edit: You're talking about Charles I0 -
Ooops you're right, I'm displaying Morris Dancer levels of historical ignorance at the moment.alex. said:
Wasn't that Thomas More?TheScreamingEagles said:
Another insult to the Queen, naming it after someone who told the monarch to know their place (and was executed for their principles)Sunil_Prasannan said:
Maybe it's Thomas CromwellTheScreamingEagles said:WHAT!
You can't name the cat Cromwell, that's an insult to Her Majesty.
Cabinet office 'set to appoint cat called Cromwell as Chief Mouser'
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/08/03/cabinet-office-set-to-appoint-cat-called-cromwell-as-chief-mouse/
Can I blame jet lag?0 -
Ah yes, they have 3 Lords, more than enough to have a split.OldKingCole said:
There’s more than one House in Parliament.logical_song said:
Carswell argues with himself?Philip_Thompson said:
Even UKIP regularly gets Parliamentary rebellions.logical_song said:
Probably only UKIP and the LibDems have a totally united Parliamentary Party.kle4 said:
Er, yes, obviously. I was making the point that just because the LDs are small does not mean they cannot split, or that it would be difficult to split into its factions. Even small parties are coalitions of opinions, therefore potentially open to split.logical_song said:
I understand that several Conservative and several Labour members also voted in different ways in the referendum. By your definition no party is a unified force.kle4 said:
Even the remaining LDs are not a unified force - several LD members on here voted for Leave, for instance.felix said:
A LD split into factions would be...an achievement!John_M said:
Lib Dems beware, lest Theresa May's Sauronic eye fall upon thee, to your enduring and utter woe.rottenborough said:
A split in UKIP would add to May's joys immensely.Ishmael_X said:
With UKIP there isn't the "OMG but the brand is so valuable" objection to starting a new party - rather the reverse.TheScreamingEagles said:
"Brexit" would be a snappy enough name for a political party.0 -
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Well it is the silly season, it's just that politics keeps getting in the way.SimonStClare said:
Indeed. - As a foot note, this battle of the Downing St cats really is silly season stuff.TheScreamingEagles said:
I thought Henry VIII was of The House of TudorSimonStClare said:
I’m sure HMQ would be tickled pink, as it happened under the house of Stuart.TheScreamingEagles said:
Another insult to the Queen, naming it after someone who told the monarch to know their place (and was executed for their principles)Sunil_Prasannan said:
Maybe it's Thomas CromwellTheScreamingEagles said:WHAT!
You can't name the cat Cromwell, that's an insult to Her Majesty.
Cabinet office 'set to appoint cat called Cromwell as Chief Mouser'
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/08/03/cabinet-office-set-to-appoint-cat-called-cromwell-as-chief-mouse/
Edit: You're talking about Charles I0 -
He only has himself to blame.PlatoSaid said:
If he had got his papers in an hour earlier, none of this would have happened.
The NEC had no choice but the follow the rules. No choice at all.
I am looking forward to the police investigation into his admitted breach of Electoral law. And, of course, the investigation by the Bar Council. Not good for a barrister to have broken such an important law.0 -
I also hope he didn't forget to tell his insurance company about his conviction.oxfordsimon said:
He only has himself to blame.PlatoSaid said:
If he had got his papers in an hour earlier, none of this would have happened.
The NEC had no choice but the follow the rules. No choice at all.
I am looking forward to the police investigation into his admitted breach of Electoral law. And, of course, the investigation by the Bar Council. Not good for a barrister to have broken such an important law.
That really would cause him problems.0 -
In related news, Lion Ted has been spotted in Cornwall.SimonStClare said:
Indeed. - As a foot note, this battle of the Downing St cats really is silly season stuff.TheScreamingEagles said:
I thought Henry VIII was of The House of TudorSimonStClare said:
I’m sure HMQ would be tickled pink, as it happened under the house of Stuart.TheScreamingEagles said:
Another insult to the Queen, naming it after someone who told the monarch to know their place (and was executed for their principles)Sunil_Prasannan said:
Maybe it's Thomas CromwellTheScreamingEagles said:WHAT!
You can't name the cat Cromwell, that's an insult to Her Majesty.
Cabinet office 'set to appoint cat called Cromwell as Chief Mouser'
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/08/03/cabinet-office-set-to-appoint-cat-called-cromwell-as-chief-mouse/
Edit: You're talking about Charles I
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3719967/Lion-loose-Police-searching-big-cat-lorry-driver-sighting-Cornwall.html0 -
Jet lag? Weren't you going now on a staycation? Eire at best/worst?TheScreamingEagles said:
Ooops you're right, I'm displaying Morris Dancer levels of historical ignorance at the moment.alex. said:
Wasn't that Thomas More?TheScreamingEagles said:
Another insult to the Queen, naming it after someone who told the monarch to know their place (and was executed for their principles)Sunil_Prasannan said:
Maybe it's Thomas CromwellTheScreamingEagles said:WHAT!
You can't name the cat Cromwell, that's an insult to Her Majesty.
Cabinet office 'set to appoint cat called Cromwell as Chief Mouser'
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/08/03/cabinet-office-set-to-appoint-cat-called-cromwell-as-chief-mouse/
Can I blame jet lag?0 -
O'T TSE who's your avatar?TheScreamingEagles said:
I also hope he didn't forget to tell his insurance company about his conviction.oxfordsimon said:
He only has himself to blame.PlatoSaid said:
If he had got his papers in an hour earlier, none of this would have happened.
The NEC had no choice but the follow the rules. No choice at all.
I am looking forward to the police investigation into his admitted breach of Electoral law. And, of course, the investigation by the Bar Council. Not good for a barrister to have broken such an important law.
That really would cause him problems.0 -
I flew to New York on Thursday then was planning to go to Florida.TOPPING said:
Jet lag? Weren't you going now on a staycation? Eire at best/worst?TheScreamingEagles said:
Ooops you're right, I'm displaying Morris Dancer levels of historical ignorance at the moment.alex. said:
Wasn't that Thomas More?TheScreamingEagles said:
Another insult to the Queen, naming it after someone who told the monarch to know their place (and was executed for their principles)Sunil_Prasannan said:
Maybe it's Thomas CromwellTheScreamingEagles said:WHAT!
You can't name the cat Cromwell, that's an insult to Her Majesty.
Cabinet office 'set to appoint cat called Cromwell as Chief Mouser'
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/08/03/cabinet-office-set-to-appoint-cat-called-cromwell-as-chief-mouse/
Can I blame jet lag?
Decided to come back to Blighty because of Zika in Florida, now going to Cornwall for a few days.0 -
It's hard to disagree. Filing one's application on time is hardly rocket science.oxfordsimon said:
He only has himself to blame.PlatoSaid said:
If he had got his papers in an hour earlier, none of this would have happened.
The NEC had no choice but the follow the rules. No choice at all.
I am looking forward to the police investigation into his admitted breach of Electoral law. And, of course, the investigation by the Bar Council. Not good for a barrister to have broken such an important law.
All you need to do is submit it in person (and get a receipt) or by recorded delivery.0 -
Kimberley Walsh, formerly of Girls AloudBlue_rog said:
O'T TSE who's your avatar?TheScreamingEagles said:
I also hope he didn't forget to tell his insurance company about his conviction.oxfordsimon said:
He only has himself to blame.PlatoSaid said:
If he had got his papers in an hour earlier, none of this would have happened.
The NEC had no choice but the follow the rules. No choice at all.
I am looking forward to the police investigation into his admitted breach of Electoral law. And, of course, the investigation by the Bar Council. Not good for a barrister to have broken such an important law.
That really would cause him problems.0 -
TSE.. do you have a bun in the oven?TheScreamingEagles said:
I flew to New York on Thursday then was planning to go to Florida.TOPPING said:
Jet lag? Weren't you going now on a staycation? Eire at best/worst?TheScreamingEagles said:
Ooops you're right, I'm displaying Morris Dancer levels of historical ignorance at the moment.alex. said:
Wasn't that Thomas More?TheScreamingEagles said:
Another insult to the Queen, naming it after someone who told the monarch to know their place (and was executed for their principles)Sunil_Prasannan said:
Maybe it's Thomas CromwellTheScreamingEagles said:WHAT!
You can't name the cat Cromwell, that's an insult to Her Majesty.
Cabinet office 'set to appoint cat called Cromwell as Chief Mouser'
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/08/03/cabinet-office-set-to-appoint-cat-called-cromwell-as-chief-mouse/
Can I blame jet lag?
Decided to come back to Blighty because of Zika in Florida, now going to Cornwall for a few days.
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One has to shake ones head in disbelief in what the opposition parties are up to. It has to be absolutely the worst state of affairs EVER in terms of the mess they are all in..0
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Richard Hammond makes an autumn statement? Even after leaving Top Gear? Does Jeremy Clarkson get to trigger Article 50?TheScreamingEagles said:
September, October, and November are going to be so exciting, that's why we need the rest in August.Blue_rog said:
I REALLY hope the excitement will continue through September and October as I'll be laid up recovering from foot surgery.TheScreamingEagles said:Anyway, so much for Mike's hope (and mine) that we'd have a quiet August
September = Labour leadership contest, and a potential Labour split if Jez wins
October = The business end of the US Presidential election campaign and Article 50 court case
November = New POTUS elected
December = Hammond's autumn statement and proper speculation on when Article 50 is going to be triggered in 20170 -
National IPSOS/Reuters
Clinton 42.8% .. Trump 34.5%
http://polling.reuters.com/#!poll/TM651Y15_DS_13/filters/LIKELY:1/type/smallest/dates/20160710-20160801/collapsed/true/spotlight/10 -
Go stay at the Tresanton in St Mawes. Wonderful village, great hotel with great food. Lots of day trips to do, including many of those amazing Cornish gardens. And, of course, you can ask the locals the way to Feock.RobD said:
TSE.. do you have a bun in the oven?TheScreamingEagles said:
I flew to New York on Thursday then was planning to go to Florida.TOPPING said:
Jet lag? Weren't you going now on a staycation? Eire at best/worst?TheScreamingEagles said:
Ooops you're right, I'm displaying Morris Dancer levels of historical ignorance at the moment.alex. said:
Wasn't that Thomas More?TheScreamingEagles said:
Another insult to the Queen, naming it after someone who told the monarch to know their place (and was executed for their principles)Sunil_Prasannan said:
Maybe it's Thomas CromwellTheScreamingEagles said:WHAT!
You can't name the cat Cromwell, that's an insult to Her Majesty.
Cabinet office 'set to appoint cat called Cromwell as Chief Mouser'
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/08/03/cabinet-office-set-to-appoint-cat-called-cromwell-as-chief-mouse/
Can I blame jet lag?
Decided to come back to Blighty because of Zika in Florida, now going to Cornwall for a few days.0 -
Enjoy.TheScreamingEagles said:
I flew to New York on Thursday then was planning to go to Florida.TOPPING said:
Jet lag? Weren't you going now on a staycation? Eire at best/worst?TheScreamingEagles said:
Ooops you're right, I'm displaying Morris Dancer levels of historical ignorance at the moment.alex. said:
Wasn't that Thomas More?TheScreamingEagles said:
Another insult to the Queen, naming it after someone who told the monarch to know their place (and was executed for their principles)Sunil_Prasannan said:
Maybe it's Thomas CromwellTheScreamingEagles said:WHAT!
You can't name the cat Cromwell, that's an insult to Her Majesty.
Cabinet office 'set to appoint cat called Cromwell as Chief Mouser'
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/08/03/cabinet-office-set-to-appoint-cat-called-cromwell-as-chief-mouse/
Can I blame jet lag?
Decided to come back to Blighty because of Zika in Florida, now going to Cornwall for a few days.0 -
Isn't it amazing that against the disaster that is Donald Trump, Hillary is mustering a meagre 43% ...JackW said:National IPSOS/Reuters
Clinton 42.8% .. Trump 34.5%
http://polling.reuters.com/#!poll/TM651Y15_DS_13/filters/LIKELY:1/type/smallest/dates/20160710-20160801/collapsed/true/spotlight/10 -
Nah. Twas worse in 1918 and 1931. Not by all that much, mind.SquareRoot said:One has to shake ones head in disbelief in what the opposition parties are up to. It has to be absolutely the worst state of affairs EVER in terms of the mess they are all in..
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It's the political satirists I feel sorry for. How in God's name do they compete with this?SquareRoot said:One has to shake ones head in disbelief in what the opposition parties are up to. It has to be absolutely the worst state of affairs EVER in terms of the mess they are all in..
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This is worse because it is being played out in the era of 24 hour news coverage and an entire battalion of 'political experts' passing comment on the smallest of details.david_herdson said:
Nah. Twas worse in 1918 and 1931. Not by all that much, mind.SquareRoot said:One has to shake ones head in disbelief in what the opposition parties are up to. It has to be absolutely the worst state of affairs EVER in terms of the mess they are all in..
Having it play out in the print media of the first half of the 20th Century gave everyone a bit more time to breathe...0 -
That's what I was going to say, or words of the same gist.oxfordsimon said:
This is worse because it is being played out in the era of 24 hour news coverage and an entire battalion of 'political experts' passing comment on the smallest of details.david_herdson said:
Nah. Twas worse in 1918 and 1931. Not by all that much, mind.SquareRoot said:One has to shake ones head in disbelief in what the opposition parties are up to. It has to be absolutely the worst state of affairs EVER in terms of the mess they are all in..
Having it play out in the print media of the first half of the 20th Century gave everyone a bit more time to breathe...0 -
Afternoon all. Catching up after a busy day and lots of being stuck in traffic.
For fans of plane crash photos: (nobody seriously injured BTW)
http://www.thenational.ae/uae/transport/emirates-flight-catches-fire-on-landing-at-dubai-airport---in-pictures
Looking like bad weather at the moment, was 49 degrees, very low pressure and strong but variable winds today - a pilot's nightmare.0 -
Perhaps Woolfe will challenge the UKIP NEC at the High Court - and loose, just like the Labour rebels.PlatoSaid said:0 -
Isn't it amazing that against the disaster that is Jeremy Corbyn, Theresa is mustering a meagre ....MTimT said:Isn't it amazing that against the disaster that is Donald Trump, Hillary is mustering a meagre 43% ...
Some GOP voters would vote for the elephant in the room with a red rosette as their POTUS candidate and the same is true of the donkey Clinton. The difference being voters seem more inclined to the ass than Donald and his big trunk.0 -
On topic, the Farage special from Ladbrokes
Shouldn't bookmakers be compelled to offer the other side of bets? Would it be a good rule of thumb as a punter NEVER to bet on things where bookmakers only offer one side as they are probably mug bets?
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What time of day. I know that in that part of the world the biggies tend to take off in the wee hours of the morning for the heavier air.Sandpit said:Afternoon all. Catching up after a busy day and lots of being stuck in traffic.
For fans of plane crash photos: (nobody seriously injured BTW)
http://www.thenational.ae/uae/transport/emirates-flight-catches-fire-on-landing-at-dubai-airport---in-pictures
Looking like bad weather at the moment, was 49 degrees, very low pressure and strong but variable winds today - a pilot's nightmare.0 -
he wouldn't he loves the French apperently.MTimT said:
Richard Hammond makes an autumn statement? Even after leaving Top Gear? Does Jeremy Clarkson get to trigger Article 50?TheScreamingEagles said:
September, October, and November are going to be so exciting, that's why we need the rest in August.Blue_rog said:
I REALLY hope the excitement will continue through September and October as I'll be laid up recovering from foot surgery.TheScreamingEagles said:Anyway, so much for Mike's hope (and mine) that we'd have a quiet August
September = Labour leadership contest, and a potential Labour split if Jez wins
October = The business end of the US Presidential election campaign and Article 50 court case
November = New POTUS elected
December = Hammond's autumn statement and proper speculation on when Article 50 is going to be triggered in 20170 -
TheScreamingEagles said:
I flew to New York on Thursday then was planning to go to Florida.TOPPING said:
Jet lag? Weren't you going now on a staycation? Eire at best/worst?TheScreamingEagles said:
Ooops you're right, I'm displaying Morris Dancer levels of historical ignorance at the moment.alex. said:
Wasn't that Thomas More?TheScreamingEagles said:
Another insult to the Queen, naming it after someone who told the monarch to know their place (and was executed for their principles)Sunil_Prasannan said:
Maybe it's Thomas CromwellTheScreamingEagles said:WHAT!
You can't name the cat Cromwell, that's an insult to Her Majesty.
Cabinet office 'set to appoint cat called Cromwell as Chief Mouser'
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/08/03/cabinet-office-set-to-appoint-cat-called-cromwell-as-chief-mouse/
Can I blame jet lag?
Decided to come back to Blighty because of Zika in Florida, now going to Cornwall for a few days.
Which part of our fine country are you visiting? The weather has adopted its customary tourist-hating August mizzle, though it's just started to clear up in the far west in the last couple of hours and looks good next week.
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Trump starting to tick back up again and Clinton on the way down.JackW said:National IPSOS/Reuters
Clinton 42.8% .. Trump 34.5%
http://polling.reuters.com/#!poll/TM651Y15_DS_13/filters/LIKELY:1/type/smallest/dates/20160710-20160801/collapsed/true/spotlight/10 -
Originated in Trivandrum, the capital of Kerala, my family's homeland, although I haven't been to that particular city since 1987.Sandpit said:Afternoon all. Catching up after a busy day and lots of being stuck in traffic.
For fans of plane crash photos: (nobody seriously injured BTW)
http://www.thenational.ae/uae/transport/emirates-flight-catches-fire-on-landing-at-dubai-airport---in-pictures
Looking like bad weather at the moment, was 49 degrees, very low pressure and strong but variable winds today - a pilot's nightmare.0 -
you know it's silly season whenu have a big cat on the loose story.........williamglenn said:
In related news, Lion Ted has been spotted in Cornwall.SimonStClare said:
Indeed. - As a foot note, this battle of the Downing St cats really is silly season stuff.TheScreamingEagles said:
I thought Henry VIII was of The House of TudorSimonStClare said:
I’m sure HMQ would be tickled pink, as it happened under the house of Stuart.TheScreamingEagles said:
Another insult to the Queen, naming it after someone who told the monarch to know their place (and was executed for their principles)Sunil_Prasannan said:
Maybe it's Thomas CromwellTheScreamingEagles said:WHAT!
You can't name the cat Cromwell, that's an insult to Her Majesty.
Cabinet office 'set to appoint cat called Cromwell as Chief Mouser'
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/08/03/cabinet-office-set-to-appoint-cat-called-cromwell-as-chief-mouse/
Edit: You're talking about Charles I
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3719967/Lion-loose-Police-searching-big-cat-lorry-driver-sighting-Cornwall.html0 -
I thought it was caused by a landing gear not being fully deployed? Or perhaps those were unsubstantiated claims.Sandpit said:Afternoon all. Catching up after a busy day and lots of being stuck in traffic.
For fans of plane crash photos: (nobody seriously injured BTW)
http://www.thenational.ae/uae/transport/emirates-flight-catches-fire-on-landing-at-dubai-airport---in-pictures
Looking like bad weather at the moment, was 49 degrees, very low pressure and strong but variable winds today - a pilot's nightmare.0 -
12:45 local, 08:45GMT. Horrible weather today, seriously hot and humid. Pressure was 988mb and temp 49C. Rumour is that there was a wind shear and he tried to go around but fell into the hole in the air. Very unfortunate, and reminiscent of the BA crash in a similar 777 at LHR a few years back, although it for different reasons. Those Boeings are very well built indeed.MTimT said:
What time of day. I know that in that part of the world the biggies tend to take off in the wee hours of the morning for the heavier air.Sandpit said:Afternoon all. Catching up after a busy day and lots of being stuck in traffic.
For fans of plane crash photos: (nobody seriously injured BTW)
http://www.thenational.ae/uae/transport/emirates-flight-catches-fire-on-landing-at-dubai-airport---in-pictures
Looking like bad weather at the moment, was 49 degrees, very low pressure and strong but variable winds today - a pilot's nightmare.0 -
Newquay way.Polruan said:TheScreamingEagles said:
I flew to New York on Thursday then was planning to go to Florida.TOPPING said:
Jet lag? Weren't you going now on a staycation? Eire at best/worst?TheScreamingEagles said:
Ooops you're right, I'm displaying Morris Dancer levels of historical ignorance at the moment.alex. said:
Wasn't that Thomas More?TheScreamingEagles said:
Another insult to the Queen, naming it after someone who told the monarch to know their place (and was executed for their principles)Sunil_Prasannan said:
Maybe it's Thomas CromwellTheScreamingEagles said:WHAT!
You can't name the cat Cromwell, that's an insult to Her Majesty.
Cabinet office 'set to appoint cat called Cromwell as Chief Mouser'
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/08/03/cabinet-office-set-to-appoint-cat-called-cromwell-as-chief-mouse/
Can I blame jet lag?
Decided to come back to Blighty because of Zika in Florida, now going to Cornwall for a few days.
Which part of our fine country are you visiting? The weather has adopted its customary tourist-hating August mizzle, though it's just started to clear up in the far west in the last couple of hours and looks good next week.
I just hope o2's coverage map is accurate0 -
It's very interesting that in the periods where Trump's numbers go down, the number of people who refuse to answer goes up. Maybe the shy Trump phenomenon just oscillates based on the embarrassment factor at any given moment.DanSmith said:
Trump starting to tick back up again and Clinton on the way down.JackW said:National IPSOS/Reuters
Clinton 42.8% .. Trump 34.5%
http://polling.reuters.com/#!poll/TM651Y15_DS_13/filters/LIKELY:1/type/smallest/dates/20160710-20160801/collapsed/true/spotlight/10 -
Gingrich weighs in on Trump's self destructive nature :
http://www.politico.com/story/2016/08/newt-gingrich-trump-self-destructive-2266080 -
I need to pick your brain.JackW said:Gingrich weighs in on Trump's self destructive nature :
http://www.politico.com/story/2016/08/newt-gingrich-trump-self-destructive-226608
Imagine if John McCain was the GOP nominee in 2000, would he have become POTUS, defeating Al Gore?0 -
Newquay in August? You're a braver man than me. Other than on beaches and right in the middle of the moors, mobile coverage is actually surprisingly good throughout Cornwall - substantially better than the Reading to Plymouth stretch of the mainline from Paddington. It's almost like the county benefited from infrastructure investment from being in some kind of international politico-economic Union.TheScreamingEagles said:
Newquay way.Polruan said:TheScreamingEagles said:
I flew to New York on Thursday then was planning to go to Florida.TOPPING said:
Jet lag? Weren't you going now on a staycation? Eire at best/worst?TheScreamingEagles said:
Ooops you're right, I'm displaying Morris Dancer levels of historical ignorance at the moment.alex. said:
Wasn't that Thomas More?TheScreamingEagles said:
Another insult to the Queen, naming it after someone who told the monarch to know their place (and was executed for their principles)Sunil_Prasannan said:
Maybe it's Thomas CromwellTheScreamingEagles said:WHAT!
You can't name the cat Cromwell, that's an insult to Her Majesty.
Cabinet office 'set to appoint cat called Cromwell as Chief Mouser'
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/08/03/cabinet-office-set-to-appoint-cat-called-cromwell-as-chief-mouse/
Can I blame jet lag?
Decided to come back to Blighty because of Zika in Florida, now going to Cornwall for a few days.
Which part of our fine country are you visiting? The weather has adopted its customary tourist-hating August mizzle, though it's just started to clear up in the far west in the last couple of hours and looks good next week.
I just hope o2's coverage map is accurate0 -
Is it just me or is the latest Halifax advert a bit odd...they openly seen providing a mortgage to an individual with no legitimate source of income & of dubious character who is in regular scrapes with the law...I thought post crash the banks were being much stricter with who the lend to!0
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Downing Street is named after George Downing, who was an MP in Cromwell's parliaments though (and turned in former comrades to safe his skin, I'd heard)TheScreamingEagles said:WHAT!
You can't name the cat Cromwell, that's an insult to Her Majesty.
Cabinet office 'set to appoint cat called Cromwell as Chief Mouser'
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/08/03/cabinet-office-set-to-appoint-cat-called-cromwell-as-chief-mouse/
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I know, it's great - I think most are getting political fatigue from all the regular nonsense, or perhaps political gout from this rich and fatty buffet we have been getting.SimonStClare said:
Indeed. - As a foot note, this battle of the Downing St cats really is silly season stuff.TheScreamingEagles said:
I thought Henry VIII was of The House of TudorSimonStClare said:
I’m sure HMQ would be tickled pink, as it happened under the house of Stuart.TheScreamingEagles said:
Another insult to the Queen, naming it after someone who told the monarch to know their place (and was executed for their principles)Sunil_Prasannan said:
Maybe it's Thomas CromwellTheScreamingEagles said:WHAT!
You can't name the cat Cromwell, that's an insult to Her Majesty.
Cabinet office 'set to appoint cat called Cromwell as Chief Mouser'
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/08/03/cabinet-office-set-to-appoint-cat-called-cromwell-as-chief-mouse/
Edit: You're talking about Charles I
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Yes.TheScreamingEagles said:I need to pick your brain.
Imagine if John McCain was the GOP nominee in 2000, would he have become POTUS, defeating Al Gore?
McCain's double misfortune was Bush winning on 2000 largely on the basis of Gore detaching himself from Bill Clinton and then in 08 coming up against the brilliant campaigner in Obama and the financial crisis.
McCain would also win now against Clinton.0 -
A colleague suggested it, I do enjoy my visits to the South West of England.Polruan said:
Newquay in August? You're a braver man than me. Other than on beaches and right in the middle of the moors, mobile coverage is actually surprisingly good throughout Cornwall - substantially better than the Reading to Plymouth stretch of the mainline from Paddington. It's almost like the county benefited from infrastructure investment from being in some kind of international politico-economic Union.TheScreamingEagles said:
Newquay way.Polruan said:TheScreamingEagles said:
I flew to New York on Thursday then was planning to go to Florida.TOPPING said:
Jet lag? Weren't you going now on a staycation? Eire at best/worst?TheScreamingEagles said:
Ooops you're right, I'm displaying Morris Dancer levels of historical ignorance at the moment.alex. said:
Wasn't that Thomas More?TheScreamingEagles said:
Another insult to the Queen, naming it after someone who told the monarch to know their place (and was executed for their principles)Sunil_Prasannan said:
Maybe it's Thomas CromwellTheScreamingEagles said:WHAT!
You can't name the cat Cromwell, that's an insult to Her Majesty.
Cabinet office 'set to appoint cat called Cromwell as Chief Mouser'
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/08/03/cabinet-office-set-to-appoint-cat-called-cromwell-as-chief-mouse/
Can I blame jet lag?
Decided to come back to Blighty because of Zika in Florida, now going to Cornwall for a few days.
Which part of our fine country are you visiting? The weather has adopted its customary tourist-hating August mizzle, though it's just started to clear up in the far west in the last couple of hours and looks good next week.
I just hope o2's coverage map is accurate0 -
Thanks, that what I thought too.JackW said:
Yes.TheScreamingEagles said:I need to pick your brain.
Imagine if John McCain was the GOP nominee in 2000, would he have become POTUS, defeating Al Gore?
McCain's double misfortune was Bush winning on 2000 largely on the basis of Gore detaching himself from Bill Clinton and then in 08 coming up against the brilliant campaigner in Obama and the financial crisis.
McCain would also win now against Clinton.0 -
"he committed the party to pushing the minimum wage up to £8.25 and forcing employers to give it to all adults on the payroll, not just those over 25 - to be funded by tax increases for the highest-earners in society and businesses."
Huh...so tax businesses more to pay for businesses to pay their employees more. How does that one work then?0 -
Looks like he tried to go around, raised the gear but didn't have enough power to climb away in the wind shear. ATC tape confirms the attempted go around, but there was an early rumour he was on approach with the gear up by mistake. Also rumours of a fire on board beforehand, which I think are just rumours. What it definitely wasn't was a landing gear failure identified in the air, as they would have flown around in circles for a bit in that case, to try and fix the problem, which didn't happen (the flying around bit).RobD said:
I thought it was caused by a landing gear not being fully deployed? Or perhaps those were unsubstantiated claims.Sandpit said:Afternoon all. Catching up after a busy day and lots of being stuck in traffic.
For fans of plane crash photos: (nobody seriously injured BTW)
http://www.thenational.ae/uae/transport/emirates-flight-catches-fire-on-landing-at-dubai-airport---in-pictures
Looking like bad weather at the moment, was 49 degrees, very low pressure and strong but variable winds today - a pilot's nightmare.
Pilots' forum link with discussion of 200 comments and rising quickly.
http://www.pprune.org/rumours-news/582445-emirates-b777-gear-collapse-dxb.html0 -
Good afternoon, everyone.0
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DC Transit Officer Charged With Supporting IS
http://news.sky.com/story/dc-transit-officer-charged-with-supporting-is-105214650 -
magic money treeFrancisUrquhart said:"he committed the party to pushing the minimum wage up to £8.25 and forcing employers to give it to all adults on the payroll, not just those over 25 - to be funded by tax increases for the highest-earners in society and businesses."
Huh...so tax businesses more to pay for businesses to pay their employees more. How does that one work then?0 -
Afternoon all
For the benefit of Mr Eagles, I'd recommend Carbis Bay, just up from St Ives. Not as mad as St Ives itself and a very pleasant little cove with a good beach.
On the John McCain issue, he couldn't win the 2000 GOP nomination. That was his problem and his tragedy. Bush won that and while he wouldn't have got close to Clinton (either of them) he had the benefit of coming in after eight years of a Democrat White House against an incumbent VP.
He wasn't as good as George HW Bush but he was better than Dukakis though only just.
McCain faced the same problem in 2008 trying to defend eight years of a Republican White House in the midst of a financial crisis and against a class opponent. He never stood a chance.
The very fact HRC is ahead shows the desperate quality of the GOP candidate - again, we see a few on here desperately talking up Trump. Is it because the candidate of "the Right" must always be supported however dire they are ?0 -
Also perhaps he might like to consult some of his colleagues who actually introduced the minimum wage with a lower rate for the under 25s before he tries to argue that its existence amounts to 'discrimination' against those who receive it.FrancisUrquhart said:"he committed the party to pushing the minimum wage up to £8.25 and forcing employers to give it to all adults on the payroll, not just those over 25 - to be funded by tax increases for the highest-earners in society and businesses."
Huh...so tax businesses more to pay for businesses to pay their employees more. How does that one work then?0 -
McCain would have nuked the entire world on 9/11.JackW said:
Yes.TheScreamingEagles said:I need to pick your brain.
Imagine if John McCain was the GOP nominee in 2000, would he have become POTUS, defeating Al Gore?
McCain's double misfortune was Bush winning on 2000 largely on the basis of Gore detaching himself from Bill Clinton and then in 08 coming up against the brilliant campaigner in Obama and the financial crisis.
McCain would also win now against Clinton.
His only policy is:
"I'm John McCain, and I endorse WAR"
Anyway this is circulating:
https://twitter.com/LarrySabato/status/7608410434995855370 -
Well if Owen Smith does manage to win the leadership and then somehow wins power in the 2020 GE, is he actually going to reduce the living wage of £9 per hour, already scheduled by the Conservatives, down to £8.25?FrancisUrquhart said:"he committed the party to pushing the minimum wage up to £8.25 and forcing employers to give it to all adults on the payroll, not just those over 25 - to be funded by tax increases for the highest-earners in society and businesses."
Huh...so tax businesses more to pay for businesses to pay their employees more. How does that one work then?
Can't see that attracting many voters.
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I hope you have a good time - if you make it down to Penzance/Land's End and want some suggestions on less well-known places to visit/eat, do let me know. It's worth the drive to Marazion for Ben's Kitchen alone, and that's before you get started on the best beaches in the world™ around Porthcurno.TheScreamingEagles said:
A colleague suggested it, I do enjoy my visits to the South West of England.Polruan said:
Newquay in August? You're a braver man than me. Other than on beaches and right in the middle of the moors, mobile coverage is actually surprisingly good throughout Cornwall - substantially better than the Reading to Plymouth stretch of the mainline from Paddington. It's almost like the county benefited from infrastructure investment from being in some kind of international politico-economic Union.TheScreamingEagles said:
Newquay way.Polruan said:TheScreamingEagles said:
I flew to New York on Thursday then was planning to go to Florida.TOPPING said:
Jet lag? Weren't you going now on a staycation? Eire at best/worst?TheScreamingEagles said:
Ooops you're right, I'm displaying Morris Dancer levels of historical ignorance at the moment.alex. said:
Wasn't that Thomas More?TheScreamingEagles said:
Another insult to the Queen, naming it after someone who told the monarch to know their place (and was executed for their principles)Sunil_Prasannan said:
Maybe it's Thomas CromwellTheScreamingEagles said:WHAT!
You can't name the cat Cromwell, that's an insult to Her Majesty.
Cabinet office 'set to appoint cat called Cromwell as Chief Mouser'
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/08/03/cabinet-office-set-to-appoint-cat-called-cromwell-as-chief-mouse/
Can I blame jet lag?
Decided to come back to Blighty because of Zika in Florida, now going to Cornwall for a few days.
Which part of our fine country are you visiting? The weather has adopted its customary tourist-hating August mizzle, though it's just started to clear up in the far west in the last couple of hours and looks good next week.
I just hope o2's coverage map is accurate0 -
It's a trick to get unemployment back up to 3m and more.FrancisUrquhart said:"he committed the party to pushing the minimum wage up to £8.25 and forcing employers to give it to all adults on the payroll, not just those over 25 - to be funded by tax increases for the highest-earners in society and businesses."
Huh...so tax businesses more to pay for businesses to pay their employees more. How does that one work then?0 -
Well if business will not pay their people enough even for a very minimal standard of living and expect the taxpayers to pick up the difference, what can you expect? Some businesses might have a leg to stand on if they were not paying their senior executives very large sums indeed whilst the junior staff cannot afford to keep a roof over their heads on the wages that they are paid.FrancisUrquhart said:"he committed the party to pushing the minimum wage up to £8.25 and forcing employers to give it to all adults on the payroll, not just those over 25 - to be funded by tax increases for the highest-earners in society and businesses."
Huh...so tax businesses more to pay for businesses to pay their employees more. How does that one work then?
In work benefits always strike me as pernicious as they are, in effect a subsidy, from the marginal net taxpayer the larger companies and the very well off. If a company's business model relies on employing people on the minimum legal wage knowing that those wages will be topped up from taxpayers then that company does not deserve to survive.0 -
To be fair, Leadsom will either have proved herself (9 years in the Cabinet) or have faded from view by then, so I don't think you need to be worried about her.TheScreamingEagles said:
I know, but I'm worried about the next Tory leadership contest, which, if we're lucky wont happen until 2025 ish but our decent rules didn't stop IDS becoming leaderToryJim said:
The only mechanism to topple May lies with the MPs. Entryism is pretty difficult to pull off in the Conservative party, we have decent rulesTheScreamingEagles said:
Entryism.ToryJim said:
Not sure why they'd do that.AlastairMeeks said:Is this the cue for rightwing kippers to (re)join the Conservative party?
That's my biggest fear for the Tory party.
They've seen how they can change the Labour party, they might try and topple Theresa May and replace her with the ghastly Andrea Leadsom0 -
Apparently his new made up freshly out of his backside numbers is "well over £10 " post 2020.BudG said:
Well if Owen Smith does manage to win the leadership and then somehow wins power in the 2020 GE, is he actually going to reduce the living wage of £9 per hour, already scheduled by the Conservatives, down to £8.25?FrancisUrquhart said:"he committed the party to pushing the minimum wage up to £8.25 and forcing employers to give it to all adults on the payroll, not just those over 25 - to be funded by tax increases for the highest-earners in society and businesses."
Huh...so tax businesses more to pay for businesses to pay their employees more. How does that one work then?
Can't see that attracting many voters.0 -
I does rather look like that, doesn't it. The Tories standing athwart the battlefield, with the wreckage of UKIP, Labour and the LibDems surrounding them. There is only a small band of marauders in one corner of the field left to worry aboutJohn_M said:
Lib Dems beware, lest Theresa May's Sauronic eye fall upon thee, to your enduring and utter woe.rottenborough said:
A split in UKIP would add to May's joys immensely.Ishmael_X said:
With UKIP there isn't the "OMG but the brand is so valuable" objection to starting a new party - rather the reverse.TheScreamingEagles said:
"Brexit" would be a snappy enough name for a political party.0 -
Who would employ an 18 year old when you can pick someone in their twenties for the same money? Seems dumb to me.felix said:
It's a trick to get unemployment back up to 3m and more.FrancisUrquhart said:"he committed the party to pushing the minimum wage up to £8.25 and forcing employers to give it to all adults on the payroll, not just those over 25 - to be funded by tax increases for the highest-earners in society and businesses."
Huh...so tax businesses more to pay for businesses to pay their employees more. How does that one work then?0 -
Agree, but surely increasing taxes on business and then increasing the minimum wage is counterproductive. It would lead to higher unemployment. Especially among young people who will get priced out of the market.HurstLlama said:
Well if business will not pay their people enough even for a very minimal standard of living and expect the taxpayers to pick up the difference, what can you expect? Some businesses might have a leg to stand on if they were not paying their senior executives very large sums indeed whilst the junior staff cannot afford to keep a roof over their heads on the wages that they are paid.FrancisUrquhart said:"he committed the party to pushing the minimum wage up to £8.25 and forcing employers to give it to all adults on the payroll, not just those over 25 - to be funded by tax increases for the highest-earners in society and businesses."
Huh...so tax businesses more to pay for businesses to pay their employees more. How does that one work then?
In work benefits always strike me as pernicious as they are, in effect a subsidy, from the marginal net taxpayer the larger companies and the very well off. If a company's business model relies on employing people on the minimum legal wage knowing that those wages will be topped up from taxpayers then that company does not deserve to survive.0 -
Wages are not topped up for employees on the minimum legal wage. If somebody is working 40 hours a week on 7.20 an hour then that is an income of just over £15000 per year. If a couple are doing that then they are on a minimum wage of over £30,000 per year.HurstLlama said:
Well if business will not pay their people enough even for a very minimal standard of living and expect the taxpayers to pick up the difference, what can you expect? Some businesses might have a leg to stand on if they were not paying their senior executives very large sums indeed whilst the junior staff cannot afford to keep a roof over their heads on the wages that they are paid.FrancisUrquhart said:"he committed the party to pushing the minimum wage up to £8.25 and forcing employers to give it to all adults on the payroll, not just those over 25 - to be funded by tax increases for the highest-earners in society and businesses."
Huh...so tax businesses more to pay for businesses to pay their employees more. How does that one work then?
In work benefits always strike me as pernicious as they are, in effect a subsidy, from the marginal net taxpayer the larger companies and the very well off. If a company's business model relies on employing people on the minimum legal wage knowing that those wages will be topped up from taxpayers then that company does not deserve to survive.
Please show me an automatic subsidy given to all families on more than £30,000 per year.
Those on benefits are typically getting benefits for children and/or are part timers. If the government wants to pay more for children or people working part time hours then that is not the employers fault. Quite the opposite in fact as an employer it can be a real challenge to get people to agree to work more than 16 hours per week sometimes.0 -
Workers & National Kipper, English Regions & Socialist party?ThreeQuidder said:
They also need to mention Workers. British Workers National Socialist Party.MaxPB said:
Why not just add the word Socialist on the end. British national socialist party. Has a nice ring to it, plus if they are going to try and appeal to traditional Labour voters then saying they are socialist is a must.HYUFD said:
When May agrees to continue free movement with controls to get some access to the single market that will be the time for an anti immigration party and the British Nationalists is as good a name as anyPhilip_Thompson said:
Since the EU is no longer an issue they should just concentrate on being British ...HYUFD said:I expect Farage will start a new populist anti immigration party which Woolfe will lead and UKIP will be left with Carswell, Neil Hamilton and whichever nonentity they now elect to lead them and wither on the vine
Sounds like you want them to be rather nationalist, they should put National in their name too ...
Obviously they are a Party ...
Now what name could they go for ...0 -
Based on the recent local election results the Lib Dems are the party to watch. They could yet re-emerge as the only credible party of opposition. Having so few MPs at the moment is a handicap of course.Charles said:
I does rather look like that, doesn't it. The Tories standing athwart the battlefield, with the wreckage of UKIP, Labour and the LibDems surrounding them. There is only a small band of marauders in one corner of the field left to worry aboutJohn_M said:
Lib Dems beware, lest Theresa May's Sauronic eye fall upon thee, to your enduring and utter woe.rottenborough said:
A split in UKIP would add to May's joys immensely.Ishmael_X said:
With UKIP there isn't the "OMG but the brand is so valuable" objection to starting a new party - rather the reverse.TheScreamingEagles said:
"Brexit" would be a snappy enough name for a political party.0 -
He can't withdraw, his name would still go forward as the Republican candidate.Speedy said:
McCain would have nuked the entire world on 9/11.JackW said:
Yes.TheScreamingEagles said:I need to pick your brain.
Imagine if John McCain was the GOP nominee in 2000, would he have become POTUS, defeating Al Gore?
McCain's double misfortune was Bush winning on 2000 largely on the basis of Gore detaching himself from Bill Clinton and then in 08 coming up against the brilliant campaigner in Obama and the financial crisis.
McCain would also win now against Clinton.
His only policy is:
"I'm John McCain, and I endorse WAR"
Anyway this is circulating:
https://twitter.com/LarrySabato/status/7608410434995855370 -
Charles said:
Workers & National Kipper, English Regions & Socialist party?ThreeQuidder said:
They also need to mention Workers. British Workers National Socialist Party.MaxPB said:
Why not just add the word Socialist on the end. British national socialist party. Has a nice ring to it, plus if they are going to try and appeal to traditional Labour voters then saying they are socialist is a must.HYUFD said:
When May agrees to continue free movement with controls to get some access to the single market that will be the time for an anti immigration party and the British Nationalists is as good a name as anyPhilip_Thompson said:
Since the EU is no longer an issue they should just concentrate on being British ...HYUFD said:I expect Farage will start a new populist anti immigration party which Woolfe will lead and UKIP will be left with Carswell, Neil Hamilton and whichever nonentity they now elect to lead them and wither on the vine
Sounds like you want them to be rather nationalist, they should put National in their name too ...
Obviously they are a Party ...
Now what name could they go for ...
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Housingg benefit, tax creditsPhilip_Thompson said:
Wages are not topped up for employees on the minimum legal wage. If somebody is working 40 hours a week on 7.20 an hour then that is an income of just over £15000 per year. If a couple are doing that then they are on a minimum wage of over £30,000 per year.HurstLlama said:
Well if business will not pay their people enough even for a very minimal standard of living and expect the taxpayers to pick up the difference, what can you expect? Some businesses might have a leg to stand on if they were not paying their senior executives very large sums indeed whilst the junior staff cannot afford to keep a roof over their heads on the wages that they are paid.FrancisUrquhart said:"he committed the party to pushing the minimum wage up to £8.25 and forcing employers to give it to all adults on the payroll, not just those over 25 - to be funded by tax increases for the highest-earners in society and businesses."
Huh...so tax businesses more to pay for businesses to pay their employees more. How does that one work then?
In work benefits always strike me as pernicious as they are, in effect a subsidy, from the marginal net taxpayer the larger companies and the very well off. If a company's business model relies on employing people on the minimum legal wage knowing that those wages will be topped up from taxpayers then that company does not deserve to survive.
Please show me an automatic subsidy given to all families on more than £30,000 per year.
Those on benefits are typically getting benefits for children and/or are part timers. If the government wants to pay more for children or people working part time hours then that is not the employers fault. Quite the opposite in fact as an employer it can be a real challenge to get people to agree to work more than 16 hours per week sometimes.0 -
You should have come over to Pembrokeshire. Better beaches but less crowded. Mind you, the mobile signal is shit.TheScreamingEagles said:
A colleague suggested it, I do enjoy my visits to the South West of England.Polruan said:
Newquay in August? You're a braver man than me. Other than on beaches and right in the middle of the moors, mobile coverage is actually surprisingly good throughout Cornwall - substantially better than the Reading to Plymouth stretch of the mainline from Paddington. It's almost like the county benefited from infrastructure investment from being in some kind of international politico-economic Union.TheScreamingEagles said:
Newquay way.Polruan said:TheScreamingEagles said:
I flew to New York on Thursday then was planning to go to Florida.TOPPING said:
Jet lag? Weren't you going now on a staycation? Eire at best/worst?TheScreamingEagles said:
Ooops you're right, I'm displaying Morris Dancer levels of historical ignorance at the moment.alex. said:
Wasn't that Thomas More?TheScreamingEagles said:
Another insult to the Queen, naming it after someone who told the monarch to know their place (and was executed for their principles)Sunil_Prasannan said:
Maybe it's Thomas CromwellTheScreamingEagles said:WHAT!
You can't name the cat Cromwell, that's an insult to Her Majesty.
Cabinet office 'set to appoint cat called Cromwell as Chief Mouser'
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/08/03/cabinet-office-set-to-appoint-cat-called-cromwell-as-chief-mouse/
Can I blame jet lag?
Decided to come back to Blighty because of Zika in Florida, now going to Cornwall for a few days.
Which part of our fine country are you visiting? The weather has adopted its customary tourist-hating August mizzle, though it's just started to clear up in the far west in the last couple of hours and looks good next week.
I just hope o2's coverage map is accurate0 -
Trump still leading in the USC/LA Times poll 45.3% to 43.7%.
http://www.latimes.com/politics/la-na-pol-usc-daybreak-poll-methodology-20160714-snap-story.html0 -
A good move would be to abolish housing benefit entirely, starting in London.HurstLlama said:
Housingg benefit, tax creditsPhilip_Thompson said:
Wages are not topped up for employees on the minimum legal wage. If somebody is working 40 hours a week on 7.20 an hour then that is an income of just over £15000 per year. If a couple are doing that then they are on a minimum wage of over £30,000 per year.HurstLlama said:
Well if business will not pay their people enough even for a very minimal standard of living and expect the taxpayers to pick up the difference, what can you expect? Some businesses might have a leg to stand on if they were not paying their senior executives very large sums indeed whilst the junior staff cannot afford to keep a roof over their heads on the wages that they are paid.FrancisUrquhart said:"he committed the party to pushing the minimum wage up to £8.25 and forcing employers to give it to all adults on the payroll, not just those over 25 - to be funded by tax increases for the highest-earners in society and businesses."
Huh...so tax businesses more to pay for businesses to pay their employees more. How does that one work then?
In work benefits always strike me as pernicious as they are, in effect a subsidy, from the marginal net taxpayer the larger companies and the very well off. If a company's business model relies on employing people on the minimum legal wage knowing that those wages will be topped up from taxpayers then that company does not deserve to survive.
Please show me an automatic subsidy given to all families on more than £30,000 per year.
Those on benefits are typically getting benefits for children and/or are part timers. If the government wants to pay more for children or people working part time hours then that is not the employers fault. Quite the opposite in fact as an employer it can be a real challenge to get people to agree to work more than 16 hours per week sometimes.0 -
I wonder what acronym we could use for that?Charles said:
Workers & National Kipper, English Regions & Socialist party?ThreeQuidder said:
They also need to mention Workers. British Workers National Socialist Party.MaxPB said:
Why not just add the word Socialist on the end. British national socialist party. Has a nice ring to it, plus if they are going to try and appeal to traditional Labour voters then saying they are socialist is a must.HYUFD said:
When May agrees to continue free movement with controls to get some access to the single market that will be the time for an anti immigration party and the British Nationalists is as good a name as anyPhilip_Thompson said:
Since the EU is no longer an issue they should just concentrate on being British ...HYUFD said:I expect Farage will start a new populist anti immigration party which Woolfe will lead and UKIP will be left with Carswell, Neil Hamilton and whichever nonentity they now elect to lead them and wither on the vine
Sounds like you want them to be rather nationalist, they should put National in their name too ...
Obviously they are a Party ...
Now what name could they go for ...0 -
They'd never attract the policy wonks to build a coherent platform.MTimT said:
I wonder what acronym we could use for that?Charles said:
Workers & National Kipper, English Regions & Socialist party?ThreeQuidder said:
They also need to mention Workers. British Workers National Socialist Party.MaxPB said:
Why not just add the word Socialist on the end. British national socialist party. Has a nice ring to it, plus if they are going to try and appeal to traditional Labour voters then saying they are socialist is a must.HYUFD said:
When May agrees to continue free movement with controls to get some access to the single market that will be the time for an anti immigration party and the British Nationalists is as good a name as anyPhilip_Thompson said:
Since the EU is no longer an issue they should just concentrate on being British ...HYUFD said:I expect Farage will start a new populist anti immigration party which Woolfe will lead and UKIP will be left with Carswell, Neil Hamilton and whichever nonentity they now elect to lead them and wither on the vine
Sounds like you want them to be rather nationalist, they should put National in their name too ...
Obviously they are a Party ...
Now what name could they go for ...0 -
Traditionally, the LDs have been the first port of call for disaffected Conservatives between elections. Next year the Conservatives and UKIP will be defending a lot of seats won in 2013. I expect UKIP to do badly which may mask a moderate Conservative performance and a good LD effort.williamglenn said:
Based on the recent local election results the Lib Dems are the party to watch. They could yet re-emerge as the only credible party of opposition. Having so few MPs at the moment is a handicap of course.
As an example, the Conservatives won 58 of the 81 seats in Surrey last time but the LDs lost four and UKIP won three. It's not inconceivable the LDs will make gains and UKIP will lose their seats back to the Conservatives.
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A weekend in Hay can't be beat if you like booksvalleyboy said:
You should have come over to Pembrokeshire. Better beaches but less crowded. Mind you, the mobile signal is shit.TheScreamingEagles said:
A colleague suggested it, I do enjoy my visits to the South West of England.Polruan said:
Newquay in August? You're a braver man than me. Other than on beaches and right in the middle of the moors, mobile coverage is actually surprisingly good throughout Cornwall - substantially better than the Reading to Plymouth stretch of the mainline from Paddington. It's almost like the county benefited from infrastructure investment from being in some kind of international politico-economic Union.TheScreamingEagles said:
Newquay way.Polruan said:TheScreamingEagles said:
I flew to New York on Thursday then was planning to go to Florida.TOPPING said:
Jet lag? Weren't you going now on a staycation? Eire at best/worst?TheScreamingEagles said:
Ooops you're right, I'm displaying Morris Dancer levels of historical ignorance at the moment.alex. said:
Wasn't that Thomas More?TheScreamingEagles said:
Another insult to the Queen, naming it after someone who told the monarch to know their place (and was executed for their principles)Sunil_Prasannan said:
Maybe it's Thomas CromwellTheScreamingEagles said:WHAT!
You can't name the cat Cromwell, that's an insult to Her Majesty.
Cabinet office 'set to appoint cat called Cromwell as Chief Mouser'
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/08/03/cabinet-office-set-to-appoint-cat-called-cromwell-as-chief-mouse/
Can I blame jet lag?
Decided to come back to Blighty because of Zika in Florida, now going to Cornwall for a few days.
Which part of our fine country are you visiting? The weather has adopted its customary tourist-hating August mizzle, though it's just started to clear up in the far west in the last couple of hours and looks good next week.
I just hope o2's coverage map is accurate0 -
Sandpit said:
12:45 local, 08:45GMT. Horrible weather today, seriously hot and humid. Pressure was 988mb and temp 49C. Rumour is that there was a wind shear and he tried to go around but fell into the hole in the air. Very unfortunate, and reminiscent of the BA crash in a similar 777 at LHR a few years back, although it for different reasons. Those Boeings are very well built indeed.MTimT said:
What time of day. I know that in that part of the world the biggies tend to take off in the wee hours of the morning for the heavier air.Sandpit said:Afternoon all. Catching up after a busy day and lots of being stuck in traffic.
For fans of plane crash photos: (nobody seriously injured BTW)
http://www.thenational.ae/uae/transport/emirates-flight-catches-fire-on-landing-at-dubai-airport---in-pictures
Looking like bad weather at the moment, was 49 degrees, very low pressure and strong but variable winds today - a pilot's nightmare.
I think there was a domestic US crash in the mid 80s which led to the discovery of microbursts.
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Seconded. Hay is lovely and there are great walks all around.Blue_rog said:
A weekend in Hay can't be beat if you like booksvalleyboy said:
You should have come over to Pembrokeshire. Better beaches but less crowded. Mind you, the mobile signal is shit.TheScreamingEagles said:
A colleague suggested it, I do enjoy my visits to the South West of England.Polruan said:
Newquay in August? You're a braver man than me. Other than on beaches and right in the middle of the moors, mobile coverage is actually surprisingly good throughout Cornwall - substantially better than the Reading to Plymouth stretch of the mainline from Paddington. It's almost like the county benefited from infrastructure investment from being in some kind of international politico-economic Union.TheScreamingEagles said:
Newquay way.Polruan said:TheScreamingEagles said:
I flew to New York on Thursday then was planning to go to Florida.TOPPING said:
Jet lag? Weren't you going now on a staycation? Eire at best/worst?TheScreamingEagles said:
Ooops you're right, I'm displaying Morris Dancer levels of historical ignorance at the moment.alex. said:
Wasn't that Thomas More?TheScreamingEagles said:
Another insult to the Queen, naming it after someone who told the monarch to know their place (and was executed for their principles)Sunil_Prasannan said:
Maybe it's Thomas CromwellTheScreamingEagles said:WHAT!
You can't name the cat Cromwell, that's an insult to Her Majesty.
Cabinet office 'set to appoint cat called Cromwell as Chief Mouser'
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/08/03/cabinet-office-set-to-appoint-cat-called-cromwell-as-chief-mouse/
Can I blame jet lag?
Decided to come back to Blighty because of Zika in Florida, now going to Cornwall for a few days.
Which part of our fine country are you visiting? The weather has adopted its customary tourist-hating August mizzle, though it's just started to clear up in the far west in the last couple of hours and looks good next week.
I just hope o2's coverage map is accurate-1 -
You may have covered this already, but surely Farage could be the next leader of UKIP. I assume there are odds somewhere?0
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The idea is that Trump resigns the nomination and the RNC nominates someone else, there is precedent from 1912 and 1972 but for VP's.TheWhiteRabbit said:
He can't withdraw, his name would still go forward as the Republican candidate.Speedy said:
McCain would have nuked the entire world on 9/11.JackW said:
Yes.TheScreamingEagles said:I need to pick your brain.
Imagine if John McCain was the GOP nominee in 2000, would he have become POTUS, defeating Al Gore?
McCain's double misfortune was Bush winning on 2000 largely on the basis of Gore detaching himself from Bill Clinton and then in 08 coming up against the brilliant campaigner in Obama and the financial crisis.
McCain would also win now against Clinton.
His only policy is:
"I'm John McCain, and I endorse WAR"
Anyway this is circulating:
https://twitter.com/LarrySabato/status/760841043499585537
I can't see that working politically because half of republican voters are Trump fanatics, only if they replaced Trump with another Trump would it work.
Best case right now, Trump resigns but the nomination stays in the Trump family and goes to Ivanka.
She is well liked by the media, is seen as the most political savvy of the Trump family and as a woman she would get Hillary's only card.
But the only ones who can convince Trump of doing this is probably his own family.
It's probably for the better of them since the Trump family name is going through the gutter right now, and Trump is facing a hostile and politically charged Jury on his trial.
I never though that my 10000th comment would be speculation of Trump withdrawing from the GOP nomination, but there you go.0
