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    felixfelix Posts: 15,125
    alex. said:

    Woolfe was strongly backed by Nigel Farage, who criticised his party’s NEC just days ago

    "I have been fought at every step of the way by total amateurs who come to London once a month with sandwiches in their rucksacks, to attend NEC meetings that normally last seven hours."

    Looks like Farage’s rubbishing of his own party’s NEC didn’t help Woolfe's chances,

    And now UKIP NEC members have resigned in protest.

    A whelk stall springs to mind.

    Did Farage in an unguarded moment ever refer to the membership as being dominated by swivel-eyed fruitcakes, by any chance?
    Only when he was preening in front of a mirror.
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    FF43FF43 Posts: 15,792
    Scott_P said:

    @PeterMannionMP: Paul Nuttall doesn't run; Suzanne Evans gets barred; Steven Woolfe can't get form in on time; Diane James has freak lawnmower accident #ukip

    Freak lawnmower accident?
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    JackWJackW Posts: 14,787
    Trump spokesman blames the death of Captain Khan in 2004 on Obama and Clinton changing the rules of engagement whilst President Bush was in office ....

    Errr .... :smile:

    http://www.politico.com/story/2016/08/trump-spokeswoman-blames-obama-for-2004-death-of-capt-khan-226598
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    felixfelix Posts: 15,125
    MaxPB said:

    ToryJim said:

    ToryJim said:

    Is this the cue for rightwing kippers to (re)join the Conservative party?

    Not sure why they'd do that.
    Entryism.

    That's my biggest fear for the Tory party.

    They've seen how they can change the Labour party, they might try and topple Theresa May and replace her with the ghastly Andrea Leadsom
    The only mechanism to topple May lies with the MPs. Entryism is pretty difficult to pull off in the Conservative party, we have decent rules ;)
    I know, but I'm worried about the next Tory leadership contest, which, if we're lucky wont happen until 2025 ish but our decent rules didn't stop IDS becoming leader
    IDS won because of what he wasn't. He wasn't a headbanger europhile like Ken. You know that. Now that we're heading out of the EU I find it hard to believe the Leadbangers will get a look in.
    'Leadbangers' - luvit!!!
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    Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    FF43 said:

    Freak lawnmower accident?

    That's a prediction...
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    felixfelix Posts: 15,125

    HYUFD said:

    I expect Farage will start a new populist anti immigration party which Woolfe will lead and UKIP will be left with Carswell, Neil Hamilton and whichever nonentity they now elect to lead them and wither on the vine

    Since the EU is no longer an issue they should just concentrate on being British ...

    Sounds like you want them to be rather nationalist, they should put National in their name too ...

    Obviously they are a Party ...

    Now what name could they go for ...
    :) They could try ENP to confuse the nats.
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,164
    edited August 2016

    HYUFD said:

    I expect Farage will start a new populist anti immigration party which Woolfe will lead and UKIP will be left with Carswell, Neil Hamilton and whichever nonentity they now elect to lead them and wither on the vine

    Since the EU is no longer an issue they should just concentrate on being British ...

    Sounds like you want them to be rather nationalist, they should put National in their name too ...

    Obviously they are a Party ...

    Now what name could they go for ...
    When May agrees to continue free movement with controls to get some access to the single market that will be the time for an anti immigration party and the British Nationalists is as good a name as any
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    Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453

    Since the EU is no longer an issue they should just concentrate on being British ...

    Sounds like you want them to be rather nationalist, they should put National in their name too ...

    Obviously they are a Party ...

    Now what name could they go for ...

    I understand Faragist Little Englanders is available...
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    Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    Meanwhile

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    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    I expect Farage will start a new populist anti immigration party which Woolfe will lead and UKIP will be left with Carswell, Neil Hamilton and whichever nonentity they now elect to lead them and wither on the vine

    Since the EU is no longer an issue they should just concentrate on being British ...

    Sounds like you want them to be rather nationalist, they should put National in their name too ...

    Obviously they are a Party ...

    Now what name could they go for ...
    When May agrees to continue free movement with controls to get some access to the single market that will be the time for an anti immigration party and the British Nationalists is as good a name as any
    Wow you are beyond parody ...
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,164

    Where is HYUFD today to tell us how this is good news for UKIP who will sweep to power in 2020 because of this ?

    At work but managed to make some comments in my lunchhour, see below
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,164
    edited August 2016

    Where is HYUFD today to tell us how this is good news for UKIP who will sweep to power in 2020 because of this ?

    Did you miss is heroic performance the other night that Steven Woolfe hadn't filled in his nomination paper for Manchester Police Commissioner incorrectly?
    Woolfe claims his conviction for drink driving his scooter was spent but regardless things have moved on
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    Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    Didn't Farage unresign last time because "the NEC begged him to"?

    Could he unresign this time just to abolish the NEC?
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    MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 37,630
    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    I expect Farage will start a new populist anti immigration party which Woolfe will lead and UKIP will be left with Carswell, Neil Hamilton and whichever nonentity they now elect to lead them and wither on the vine

    Since the EU is no longer an issue they should just concentrate on being British ...

    Sounds like you want them to be rather nationalist, they should put National in their name too ...

    Obviously they are a Party ...

    Now what name could they go for ...
    When May agrees to continue free movement with controls to get some access to the single market that will be the time for an anti immigration party and the British Nationalists is as good a name as any
    Why not just add the word Socialist on the end. British national socialist party. Has a nice ring to it, plus if they are going to try and appeal to traditional Labour voters then saying they are socialist is a must.
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    Ishmael_XIshmael_X Posts: 3,664
    HYUFD said:

    Where is HYUFD today to tell us how this is good news for UKIP who will sweep to power in 2020 because of this ?

    Did you miss is heroic performance the other night that Steven Woolfe hadn't filled in his nomination paper for Manchester Police Commissioner incorrectly?
    Woolfe claims his conviction for drink driving his scooter was spent but regardless things have moved on
    If there is a Nobel prize for point-missing, have your secretary research flights to Stockholm.
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    PlatoSaidPlatoSaid Posts: 10,383
    HYUFD said:

    Where is HYUFD today to tell us how this is good news for UKIP who will sweep to power in 2020 because of this ?

    Did you miss is heroic performance the other night that Steven Woolfe hadn't filled in his nomination paper for Manchester Police Commissioner incorrectly?
    Woolfe claims his conviction for drink driving his scooter was spent but regardless things have moved on
    IIRC it's from 2002.
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,164
    MaxPB said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    I expect Farage will start a new populist anti immigration party which Woolfe will lead and UKIP will be left with Carswell, Neil Hamilton and whichever nonentity they now elect to lead them and wither on the vine

    Since the EU is no longer an issue they should just concentrate on being British ...

    Sounds like you want them to be rather nationalist, they should put National in their name too ...

    Obviously they are a Party ...

    Now what name could they go for ...
    When May agrees to continue free movement with controls to get some access to the single market that will be the time for an anti immigration party and the British Nationalists is as good a name as any
    Why not just add the word Socialist on the end. British national socialist party. Has a nice ring to it, plus if they are going to try and appeal to traditional Labour voters then saying they are socialist is a must.
    Yes, covers all bases
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    HYUFD said:

    Where is HYUFD today to tell us how this is good news for UKIP who will sweep to power in 2020 because of this ?

    Did you miss is heroic performance the other night that Steven Woolfe hadn't filled in his nomination paper for Manchester Police Commissioner incorrectly?
    Woolfe claims his conviction for drink driving his scooter was spent but regardless things have moved on
    No he didn't say it was spent, the form doesn't ask about spent or unspent convictions, but any convictions that might attract an inprisonable sentence
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,164

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    I expect Farage will start a new populist anti immigration party which Woolfe will lead and UKIP will be left with Carswell, Neil Hamilton and whichever nonentity they now elect to lead them and wither on the vine

    Since the EU is no longer an issue they should just concentrate on being British ...

    Sounds like you want them to be rather nationalist, they should put National in their name too ...

    Obviously they are a Party ...

    Now what name could they go for ...
    When May agrees to continue free movement with controls to get some access to the single market that will be the time for an anti immigration party and the British Nationalists is as good a name as any
    Wow you are beyond parody ...
    Well they do not need to repeat the name exactly but they are aiming for the same consumers
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    OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 32,063
    HYUFD said:

    Where is HYUFD today to tell us how this is good news for UKIP who will sweep to power in 2020 because of this ?

    Did you miss is heroic performance the other night that Steven Woolfe hadn't filled in his nomination paper for Manchester Police Commissioner incorrectly?
    Woolfe claims his conviction for drink driving his scooter was spent but regardless things have moved on
    AIUI one cannot have a spent conviction when standing for PCC posts. Wasn’t there someone in the West Country (IIRC) who had to withdraw as a PCC candidate because he’d been convicted of something or other minor 30 years before?
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    MarkHopkinsMarkHopkins Posts: 5,584

    Ok. Can comment now. Have stopped laughing.

    Almost.

    The SNP do Opposition better than Labour.
    The Conservatives do new leaders better than Labour.
    And the UKIP do stupid better than Labour.

    Labour really are in trouble.

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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 76,002
    Backing Diane James at very short odds doesn't particularly tempt me, must say.
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,164

    HYUFD said:

    Where is HYUFD today to tell us how this is good news for UKIP who will sweep to power in 2020 because of this ?

    Did you miss is heroic performance the other night that Steven Woolfe hadn't filled in his nomination paper for Manchester Police Commissioner incorrectly?
    Woolfe claims his conviction for drink driving his scooter was spent but regardless things have moved on
    AIUI one cannot have a spent conviction when standing for PCC posts. Wasn’t there someone in the West Country (IIRC) who had to withdraw as a PCC candidate because he’d been convicted of something or other minor 30 years before?
    Yes well as I said things have moved on, Woolfe is not going to be leading UKIP but most probably a Faragist successor
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    welshowlwelshowl Posts: 4,460
    Pulpstar said:

    Scott_P said:

    The wails of anguish from the left are growing...

    @charlotteahenry: Imagine if both Tories & UKIP have female leader while Labour don't have woman on ballot & no female Lib Dem MP. https://t.co/F85s27VrQp

    The most left wing party in England has a female leader though.. so do the SNP and Plaid..
    And the DUP (!)
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    welshowlwelshowl Posts: 4,460
    FF43 said:

    Scott_P said:

    @PeterMannionMP: Paul Nuttall doesn't run; Suzanne Evans gets barred; Steven Woolfe can't get form in on time; Diane James has freak lawnmower accident #ukip

    Freak lawnmower accident?
    Lawns are all about border control mind. Get that wrong and I doubt you'll go far in UKIP.
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    SimonStClareSimonStClare Posts: 7,976
    edited August 2016
    Haiku

    Woolfe howling
    Farage barking
    mad
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    ThreeQuidderThreeQuidder Posts: 6,133
    MaxPB said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    I expect Farage will start a new populist anti immigration party which Woolfe will lead and UKIP will be left with Carswell, Neil Hamilton and whichever nonentity they now elect to lead them and wither on the vine

    Since the EU is no longer an issue they should just concentrate on being British ...

    Sounds like you want them to be rather nationalist, they should put National in their name too ...

    Obviously they are a Party ...

    Now what name could they go for ...
    When May agrees to continue free movement with controls to get some access to the single market that will be the time for an anti immigration party and the British Nationalists is as good a name as any
    Why not just add the word Socialist on the end. British national socialist party. Has a nice ring to it, plus if they are going to try and appeal to traditional Labour voters then saying they are socialist is a must.
    They also need to mention Workers. British Workers National Socialist Party.
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    rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 58,427
    MaxPB said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    I expect Farage will start a new populist anti immigration party which Woolfe will lead and UKIP will be left with Carswell, Neil Hamilton and whichever nonentity they now elect to lead them and wither on the vine

    Since the EU is no longer an issue they should just concentrate on being British ...

    Sounds like you want them to be rather nationalist, they should put National in their name too ...

    Obviously they are a Party ...

    Now what name could they go for ...
    When May agrees to continue free movement with controls to get some access to the single market that will be the time for an anti immigration party and the British Nationalists is as good a name as any
    Why not just add the word Socialist on the end. British national socialist party. Has a nice ring to it, plus if they are going to try and appeal to traditional Labour voters then saying they are socialist is a must.
    "Socialism is the greatest system ever invented for making people equally poor." - Friedman in today's NY Times.
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 92,048
    Which will split first? UKIP. Labour won't split (a handful of MPs leaving will not be a split).
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    OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 32,063
    welshowl said:

    FF43 said:

    Scott_P said:

    @PeterMannionMP: Paul Nuttall doesn't run; Suzanne Evans gets barred; Steven Woolfe can't get form in on time; Diane James has freak lawnmower accident #ukip

    Freak lawnmower accident?
    Lawns are all about border control mind. Get that wrong and I doubt you'll go far in UKIP.
    Like it!
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,164
    edited August 2016

    HYUFD said:

    Where is HYUFD today to tell us how this is good news for UKIP who will sweep to power in 2020 because of this ?

    Did you miss is heroic performance the other night that Steven Woolfe hadn't filled in his nomination paper for Manchester Police Commissioner incorrectly?
    Woolfe claims his conviction for drink driving his scooter was spent but regardless things have moved on
    No he didn't say it was spent, the form doesn't ask about spent or unspent convictions, but any convictions that might attract an inprisonable sentence
    Woolfe said he believed at the time his conviction was spent even if that belief was wrong in terms of what the form required but as I said below he will not be a candidate for UKIP leader now anyway
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 92,048
    felix said:

    John_M said:

    Ishmael_X said:

    With UKIP there isn't the "OMG but the brand is so valuable" objection to starting a new party - rather the reverse.

    "Brexit" would be a snappy enough name for a political party.
    A split in UKIP would add to May's joys immensely.
    Lib Dems beware, lest Theresa May's Sauronic eye fall upon thee, to your enduring and utter woe.
    A LD split into factions would be...an achievement!
    Even the remaining LDs are not a unified force - several LD members on here voted for Leave, for instance.
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 92,048
    HYUFD said:

    MaxPB said:

    ToryJim said:

    ToryJim said:

    Is this the cue for rightwing kippers to (re)join the Conservative party?

    Not sure why they'd do that.
    Entryism.

    That's my biggest fear for the Tory party.

    They've seen how they can change the Labour party, they might try and topple Theresa May and replace her with the ghastly Andrea Leadsom
    The only mechanism to topple May lies with the MPs. Entryism is pretty difficult to pull off in the Conservative party, we have decent rules ;)
    I know, but I'm worried about the next Tory leadership contest, which, if we're lucky wont happen until 2025 ish but our decent rules didn't stop IDS becoming leader
    IDS won because of what he wasn't. He wasn't a headbanger europhile like Ken. You know that. Now that we're heading out of the EU I find it hard to believe the Leadbangers will get a look in.
    For now at least it looks like they may as well declare Theresa May PM for life anyway
    Give it 6 months and I doubt it will seem that is still the case.
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    HYUFD said:

    Where is HYUFD today to tell us how this is good news for UKIP who will sweep to power in 2020 because of this ?

    Did you miss is heroic performance the other night that Steven Woolfe hadn't filled in his nomination paper for Manchester Police Commissioner incorrectly?
    Woolfe claims his conviction for drink driving his scooter was spent but regardless things have moved on
    AIUI one cannot have a spent conviction when standing for PCC posts. Wasn’t there someone in the West Country (IIRC) who had to withdraw as a PCC candidate because he’d been convicted of something or other minor 30 years before?
    Yup in 2012

    The Labour Party candidate due to stand in the Avon and Somerset police commissioner election has stepped down due to a previous criminal conviction.

    Bob Ashford, a former Frome councillor, said a crime he committed as a teenager bars him from standing for the post.

    The Labour Party received clarification of the ruling from the Home Office and the Electoral Commission

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-somerset-19181071
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    felixfelix Posts: 15,125
    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    I expect Farage will start a new populist anti immigration party which Woolfe will lead and UKIP will be left with Carswell, Neil Hamilton and whichever nonentity they now elect to lead them and wither on the vine

    Since the EU is no longer an issue they should just concentrate on being British ...

    Sounds like you want them to be rather nationalist, they should put National in their name too ...

    Obviously they are a Party ...

    Now what name could they go for ...
    When May agrees to continue free movement with controls to get some access to the single market that will be the time for an anti immigration party and the British Nationalists is as good a name as any
    ROFL - you truly lack self-awareness.
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,164
    kle4 said:

    HYUFD said:

    MaxPB said:

    ToryJim said:

    ToryJim said:

    Is this the cue for rightwing kippers to (re)join the Conservative party?

    Not sure why they'd do that.
    Entryism.

    That's my biggest fear for the Tory party.

    They've seen how they can change the Labour party, they might try and topple Theresa May and replace her with the ghastly Andrea Leadsom
    The only mechanism to topple May lies with the MPs. Entryism is pretty difficult to pull off in the Conservative party, we have decent rules ;)
    I know, but I'm worried about the next Tory leadership contest, which, if we're lucky wont happen until 2025 ish but our decent rules didn't stop IDS becoming leader
    IDS won because of what he wasn't. He wasn't a headbanger europhile like Ken. You know that. Now that we're heading out of the EU I find it hard to believe the Leadbangers will get a look in.
    For now at least it looks like they may as well declare Theresa May PM for life anyway
    Give it 6 months and I doubt it will seem that is still the case.
    In 6 months Corbyn will have been reelected Labour leader
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    CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 59,787
    Oh well, on the bright side the UKIP Parliamentary Party can't split.......might defect en masse tho.....

    Haven't we had enough excitement for one Summer - after BREXIT and the LEADSOMITES the spotlight had shifted to that cavalcade of wit & beauty that is the PLP - now this - how is one supposed to keep up?
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    MaxPB said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    I expect Farage will start a new populist anti immigration party which Woolfe will lead and UKIP will be left with Carswell, Neil Hamilton and whichever nonentity they now elect to lead them and wither on the vine

    Since the EU is no longer an issue they should just concentrate on being British ...

    Sounds like you want them to be rather nationalist, they should put National in their name too ...

    Obviously they are a Party ...

    Now what name could they go for ...
    When May agrees to continue free movement with controls to get some access to the single market that will be the time for an anti immigration party and the British Nationalists is as good a name as any
    Why not just add the word Socialist on the end. British national socialist party. Has a nice ring to it, plus if they are going to try and appeal to traditional Labour voters then saying they are socialist is a must.
    "Socialism is the greatest system ever invented for making people equally poor." - Friedman in today's NY Times.
    "The inherent vice of capitalism is the unequal sharing of blessings. The inherent virtue of Socialism is the equal sharing of miseries."

    - Churchill in the House of Commons, October 22, 1945.
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    MattWMattW Posts: 18,715
    edited August 2016

    Haiku

    Woolfe howling
    Farage barking
    mad

    Nine syllables seem to have split from your Haiku...
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 92,048
    HYUFD said:

    kle4 said:

    HYUFD said:

    MaxPB said:

    ToryJim said:

    ToryJim said:

    Is this the cue for rightwing kippers to (re)join the Conservative party?

    Not sure why they'd do that.
    Entryism.

    That's my biggest fear for the Tory party.

    They've seen how they can change the Labour party, they might try and topple Theresa May and replace her with the ghastly Andrea Leadsom
    The only mechanism to topple May lies with the MPs. Entryism is pretty difficult to pull off in the Conservative party, we have decent rules ;)
    I know, but I'm worried about the next Tory leadership contest, which, if we're lucky wont happen until 2025 ish but our decent rules didn't stop IDS becoming leader
    IDS won because of what he wasn't. He wasn't a headbanger europhile like Ken. You know that. Now that we're heading out of the EU I find it hard to believe the Leadbangers will get a look in.
    For now at least it looks like they may as well declare Theresa May PM for life anyway
    Give it 6 months and I doubt it will seem that is still the case.
    In 6 months Corbyn will have been reelected Labour leader
    True, but the MPs will mostly have gone quiet as they capitulate, and May's honeymoon will be over as things heat up over Europe and the economy. SHe'll probably still be leading, it will be hard not to under Corbyn, but she won't look as invicincible as she does now.
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,164
    felix said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    I expect Farage will start a new populist anti immigration party which Woolfe will lead and UKIP will be left with Carswell, Neil Hamilton and whichever nonentity they now elect to lead them and wither on the vine

    Since the EU is no longer an issue they should just concentrate on being British ...

    Sounds like you want them to be rather nationalist, they should put National in their name too ...

    Obviously they are a Party ...

    Now what name could they go for ...
    When May agrees to continue free movement with controls to get some access to the single market that will be the time for an anti immigration party and the British Nationalists is as good a name as any
    ROFL - you truly lack self-awareness.
    26% want no free movement and no single market access according to Comres, that provides a base for Farage and Woolfe. Anyway back to work
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    CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 59,787
    Pulpstar said:

    Backing Diane James at very short odds doesn't particularly tempt me, must say.

    They haven't checked behind her fridge yet.....
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    OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 32,063
    kle4 said:

    felix said:

    John_M said:

    Ishmael_X said:

    With UKIP there isn't the "OMG but the brand is so valuable" objection to starting a new party - rather the reverse.

    "Brexit" would be a snappy enough name for a political party.
    A split in UKIP would add to May's joys immensely.
    Lib Dems beware, lest Theresa May's Sauronic eye fall upon thee, to your enduring and utter woe.
    A LD split into factions would be...an achievement!
    Even the remaining LDs are not a unified force - several LD members on here voted for Leave, for instance.
    To be fair, the Liberal Party........ those who didn’t join the LD’s ....... were in favour of Leave. Part of the historic Free Trade policy.
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 92,048

    UKIP have missed the boat excluding Woolfe. He could have transformed UKIP to take on Labour in the north just as they're at their most vulnerable.

    Woolfe to be fair missed the boat submitting his application late, I don't understand those who blame technical problems when submitting a last minute application, why don't you just submit a day or two early hence avoiding this risk?

    Definitely. Even a few hours before would help. Sure, you expect things to work, but why was it necessary to leave it so late in the first place.
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    runnymederunnymede Posts: 2,536
    MaxPB said:

    On topic. Can someone explain why UKIP are so desperate to distance themselves from Farage/Woolf? Farage made them what they are today and on paper Woolf seems like the ideal candidate foe UKIP. I'm not a big fan of Nigel but no one can deny the effect he has had on British politics, without him we would not have voted to leave the EU. A candidate who can keep that going and dump some of the negatives would probably be quite successful.

    To be honest it's best not to bother scratching your head too much about the motivations of some of the characters in the UKIP organisation.
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    CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 59,787
    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Where is HYUFD today to tell us how this is good news for UKIP who will sweep to power in 2020 because of this ?

    Did you miss is heroic performance the other night that Steven Woolfe hadn't filled in his nomination paper for Manchester Police Commissioner incorrectly?
    Woolfe claims his conviction for drink driving his scooter was spent but regardless things have moved on
    No he didn't say it was spent, the form doesn't ask about spent or unspent convictions, but any convictions that might attract an inprisonable sentence
    Woolfe said he believed at the time his conviction was spent even if that belief was wrong in terms of what the form required
    It's not like he's a lawyer or anything like that, is it?
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    HYUFD said:

    Where is HYUFD today to tell us how this is good news for UKIP who will sweep to power in 2020 because of this ?

    Did you miss is heroic performance the other night that Steven Woolfe hadn't filled in his nomination paper for Manchester Police Commissioner incorrectly?
    Woolfe claims his conviction for drink driving his scooter was spent but regardless things have moved on
    AIUI one cannot have a spent conviction when standing for PCC posts. Wasn’t there someone in the West Country (IIRC) who had to withdraw as a PCC candidate because he’d been convicted of something or other minor 30 years before?
    Yup in 2012

    The Labour Party candidate due to stand in the Avon and Somerset police commissioner election has stepped down due to a previous criminal conviction.

    Bob Ashford, a former Frome councillor, said a crime he committed as a teenager bars him from standing for the post.

    The Labour Party received clarification of the ruling from the Home Office and the Electoral Commission

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-somerset-19181071
    Tsk. Such amateurs!

    http://www.ibtimes.co.in/186-indian-members-parliament-have-criminal-cases-including-murder-rape-600584#Odl6ejED1vHt84gr.97

    Going by the statistics, the general election of 2014 has seen the highest number of politicians with criminal records being elected to the Indian parliament. As per records, every third newly elected MP in the Indian parliament has a criminal record.
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    Anyway, so much for Mike's hope (and mine) that we'd have a quiet August
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    PlatoSaidPlatoSaid Posts: 10,383

    Haiku

    Woolfe howling
    Farage barking
    mad

    /pedant

    Isn't a haiku 5/7/5 syllables?
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 92,048
    ToryJim said:

    ToryJim said:

    Is this the cue for rightwing kippers to (re)join the Conservative party?

    Not sure why they'd do that.
    Entryism.

    That's my biggest fear for the Tory party.

    They've seen how they can change the Labour party, they might try and topple Theresa May and replace her with the ghastly Andrea Leadsom
    The only mechanism to topple May lies with the MPs. Entryism is pretty difficult to pull off in the Conservative party, we have decent rules ;)
    Elitism in politics has its place, as a certain someone might say
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 92,048
    SeanT said:

    The SNP would have split if YES had won. It will be difficult for UKIP to avoid the same political logic.

    Right away though? It's impressive how long purporting 'big tent' nationalist parties can last.
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    runnymederunnymede Posts: 2,536
    kle4 said:

    ToryJim said:

    ToryJim said:

    Is this the cue for rightwing kippers to (re)join the Conservative party?

    Not sure why they'd do that.
    Entryism.

    That's my biggest fear for the Tory party.

    They've seen how they can change the Labour party, they might try and topple Theresa May and replace her with the ghastly Andrea Leadsom
    The only mechanism to topple May lies with the MPs. Entryism is pretty difficult to pull off in the Conservative party, we have decent rules ;)
    Elitism in politics has its place, as a certain someone might say
    What the Conservatives need is exitism just now, i.e. of Cameron's chums and the sad little rump of EU-worshippers.
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    welshowlwelshowl Posts: 4,460
    edited August 2016
    Are we all watching the Life of Brian here? Not only do we have the Judean People's Front and the Popular Front of Judea going on in two significant parties, but many seem to see Jezza like he's some sort of Messiah who can do no wrong, come to change politics forever when it's clear to anyone this side of lucidity he's just a very naughty boy, (or the Black Knight claiming just another flesh wound - to be Pythonesque again).

    The world of UK political parties has gone truly bonkers.
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    felix said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    I expect Farage will start a new populist anti immigration party which Woolfe will lead and UKIP will be left with Carswell, Neil Hamilton and whichever nonentity they now elect to lead them and wither on the vine

    Since the EU is no longer an issue they should just concentrate on being British ...

    Sounds like you want them to be rather nationalist, they should put National in their name too ...

    Obviously they are a Party ...

    Now what name could they go for ...
    When May agrees to continue free movement with controls to get some access to the single market that will be the time for an anti immigration party and the British Nationalists is as good a name as any
    ROFL - you truly lack self-awareness.
    How about the British Nationalist and Empire Loyalists (Channelling the spirit of Enoch Powell) Party ?
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    taffystaffys Posts: 9,753
    "The inherent vice of capitalism is the unequal sharing of blessings. The inherent virtue of Socialism is the equal sharing of miseries."

    With Socialism everybody drives a Trabant. With Capitalism everybody drives different qualities of car, but its all better than a Trabant.
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    Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 49,446
    edited August 2016
    welshowl said:

    Are we all watching the Life of Brian here? Not only do we have the Judean People's Front and the Popular Front of Judea going on in two significant parties, but many seem to see Jezza like he's some sort of Messiah who can do no wrong, come to change politics forever when it's clear to anyone this side of lucidity he's just a very naughty boy, (or the Black Knight claiming just another flesh wound - to be Pythonesque again).

    The world of UK political parties has gone truly bonkers.

    "Look, you've got it all wrong! You don't NEED to follow ME, You don't NEED to follow ANYBODY! You've got to think for yourselves! You're ALL individuals!" :)
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    felix said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    I expect Farage will start a new populist anti immigration party which Woolfe will lead and UKIP will be left with Carswell, Neil Hamilton and whichever nonentity they now elect to lead them and wither on the vine

    Since the EU is no longer an issue they should just concentrate on being British ...

    Sounds like you want them to be rather nationalist, they should put National in their name too ...

    Obviously they are a Party ...

    Now what name could they go for ...
    When May agrees to continue free movement with controls to get some access to the single market that will be the time for an anti immigration party and the British Nationalists is as good a name as any
    ROFL - you truly lack self-awareness.
    How about the British Nationalist and Empire Loyalists (Channelling the spirit of Enoch Powell) Party ?
    "We must be SAD, literally SAD!" :lol:
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    DadgeDadge Posts: 2,038
    If Ukip split and Labour split, that'd be 6 parties going for the Labour vote? What hope is there that at some point someone in one of those groups might notice that the whole Labour vote is less than the Tory vote?
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    welshowlwelshowl Posts: 4,460

    welshowl said:

    Are we all watching the Life of Brian here? Not only do we have the Judean People's Front and the Popular Front of Judea going on in two significant parties, but many seem to see Jezza like he's some sort of Messiah who can do no wrong, come to change politics forever when it's clear to anyone this side of lucidity he's just a very naughty boy, (or the Black Knight claiming just another flesh wound - to be Pythonesque again).

    The world of UK political parties has gone truly bonkers.

    "Look, you've got it all wrong! You don't NEED to follow ME, You don't NEED to follow ANYBODY! You've got to think for yourselves! You're ALL individuals!" :)
    I'm not.
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    welshowl said:

    welshowl said:

    Are we all watching the Life of Brian here? Not only do we have the Judean People's Front and the Popular Front of Judea going on in two significant parties, but many seem to see Jezza like he's some sort of Messiah who can do no wrong, come to change politics forever when it's clear to anyone this side of lucidity he's just a very naughty boy, (or the Black Knight claiming just another flesh wound - to be Pythonesque again).

    The world of UK political parties has gone truly bonkers.

    "Look, you've got it all wrong! You don't NEED to follow ME, You don't NEED to follow ANYBODY! You've got to think for yourselves! You're ALL individuals!" :)
    I'm not.
    Shhhh!
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    welshowlwelshowl Posts: 4,460

    welshowl said:

    welshowl said:

    Are we all watching the Life of Brian here? Not only do we have the Judean People's Front and the Popular Front of Judea going on in two significant parties, but many seem to see Jezza like he's some sort of Messiah who can do no wrong, come to change politics forever when it's clear to anyone this side of lucidity he's just a very naughty boy, (or the Black Knight claiming just another flesh wound - to be Pythonesque again).

    The world of UK political parties has gone truly bonkers.

    "Look, you've got it all wrong! You don't NEED to follow ME, You don't NEED to follow ANYBODY! You've got to think for yourselves! You're ALL individuals!" :)
    I'm not.
    Shhhh!
    Is this where the (ex?) mayor of Aberystwyth appears in the window? Always did enjoy that bit!
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    Dadge said:

    If Ukip split and Labour split, that'd be 6 parties going for the Labour vote? What hope is there that at some point someone in one of those groups might notice that the whole Labour vote is less than the Tory vote?
    "Only the true Messiah denies His divinity!"
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    LadyBucketLadyBucket Posts: 590
    How ironic that after all the predictions that the conservatives would be murdering each other after the EU referendum, that they look to be the most united party. You couldn't make it up - lol!

    I have absolutely no sympathy for Steven Woolfe, why on earth did he leave it so late to declare?
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    logical_songlogical_song Posts: 9,727
    kle4 said:

    felix said:

    John_M said:

    Ishmael_X said:

    With UKIP there isn't the "OMG but the brand is so valuable" objection to starting a new party - rather the reverse.

    "Brexit" would be a snappy enough name for a political party.
    A split in UKIP would add to May's joys immensely.
    Lib Dems beware, lest Theresa May's Sauronic eye fall upon thee, to your enduring and utter woe.
    A LD split into factions would be...an achievement!
    Even the remaining LDs are not a unified force - several LD members on here voted for Leave, for instance.
    I understand that several Conservative and several Labour members also voted in different ways in the referendum. By your definition no party is a unified force.
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 92,048
    Dadge said:

    If Ukip split and Labour split, that'd be 6 parties going for the Labour vote? What hope is there that at some point someone in one of those groups might notice that the whole Labour vote is less than the Tory vote?
    The more the merrier - I hope they all find their place, but sadly FPTP is working against long term exciting multi-party politics. Seeing UKIP split and the threat potentially diminish will probably concentrate Labour minds as well. Like EU support going up in the Brexit aftermath (at least for now - if we are a successor it will again look a decent option), the chaos will make them not want to rock the boat.

    They're already tipping each other over, but who is to be first to drill a hole in the bottom?
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    david_herdsondavid_herdson Posts: 17,422
    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Where is HYUFD today to tell us how this is good news for UKIP who will sweep to power in 2020 because of this ?

    Did you miss is heroic performance the other night that Steven Woolfe hadn't filled in his nomination paper for Manchester Police Commissioner incorrectly?
    Woolfe claims his conviction for drink driving his scooter was spent but regardless things have moved on
    No he didn't say it was spent, the form doesn't ask about spent or unspent convictions, but any convictions that might attract an inprisonable sentence
    Woolfe said he believed at the time his conviction was spent even if that belief was wrong in terms of what the form required but as I said below he will not be a candidate for UKIP leader now anyway
    What seems odd is that he's not been ruled out on grounds of the PCC election issue or his membership - both of which might seem reasonable - but on his form being received late. Now it may be that it was submitted late and if so, that's fair enough but if it was somehow delayed by a slow server or leaves on the superhighway or whatever, then there may well be a case to be made that his exclusion is unfair. It would certainly have been a very helpfully-timed technical issue for those with an interest in blocking him.
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    Blue_rogBlue_rog Posts: 2,019

    Anyway, so much for Mike's hope (and mine) that we'd have a quiet August

    I REALLY hope the excitement will continue through September and October as I'll be laid up recovering from foot surgery.
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    rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 58,427
    Blue_rog said:

    Anyway, so much for Mike's hope (and mine) that we'd have a quiet August

    I REALLY hope the excitement will continue through September and October as I'll be laid up recovering from foot surgery.
    I think it's safe to assume you'll be royally entertained!!
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    welshowlwelshowl Posts: 4,460

    Dadge said:

    If Ukip split and Labour split, that'd be 6 parties going for the Labour vote? What hope is there that at some point someone in one of those groups might notice that the whole Labour vote is less than the Tory vote?
    "Only the true Messiah denies His divinity!"
    Following the gourd or the shoe?

    Seriously we really are not far off here......
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    MarkHopkinsMarkHopkins Posts: 5,584
    edited August 2016

    How ironic that after all the predictions that the conservatives would be murdering each other after the EU referendum, that they look to be the most united party. You couldn't make it up - lol!

    I have absolutely no sympathy for Steven Woolfe, why on earth did he leave it so late to declare?


    AFAIK there were technical problems when he tried earlier, then he was out the day before.

    He explained it at some point.

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    kle4kle4 Posts: 92,048

    kle4 said:

    felix said:

    John_M said:

    Ishmael_X said:

    With UKIP there isn't the "OMG but the brand is so valuable" objection to starting a new party - rather the reverse.

    "Brexit" would be a snappy enough name for a political party.
    A split in UKIP would add to May's joys immensely.
    Lib Dems beware, lest Theresa May's Sauronic eye fall upon thee, to your enduring and utter woe.
    A LD split into factions would be...an achievement!
    Even the remaining LDs are not a unified force - several LD members on here voted for Leave, for instance.
    I understand that several Conservative and several Labour members also voted in different ways in the referendum. By your definition no party is a unified force.
    Er, yes, obviously. I was making the point that just because the LDs are small does not mean they cannot split, or that it would be difficult to split into its factions. Even small parties are coalitions of opinions, therefore potentially open to split.
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    TykejohnnoTykejohnno Posts: 7,362
    felix said:

    Is this the cue for rightwing kippers to (re)join the Conservative party?

    Please god no - they'd try to bring Leadsom back :)
    Farage might want to rejoin the tories,that would be fun.
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    Blue_rog said:

    Anyway, so much for Mike's hope (and mine) that we'd have a quiet August

    I REALLY hope the excitement will continue through September and October as I'll be laid up recovering from foot surgery.
    September, October, and November are going to be so exciting, that's why we need the rest in August.

    September = Labour leadership contest, and a potential Labour split if Jez wins

    October = The business end of the US Presidential election campaign and Article 50 court case

    November = New POTUS elected

    December = Hammond's autumn statement and proper speculation on when Article 50 is going to be triggered in 2017
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    Blue_rog said:

    Anyway, so much for Mike's hope (and mine) that we'd have a quiet August

    I REALLY hope the excitement will continue through September and October as I'll be laid up recovering from foot surgery.
    September, October, and November are going to be so exciting, that's why we need the rest in August.

    September = Labour leadership contest, and a potential Labour split if Jez wins

    October = The business end of the US Presidential election campaign and Article 50 court case

    November = New POTUS elected

    December = Hammond's autumn statement and proper speculation on when Article 50 is going to be triggered in 2017
    "Are you not entertained? Are you not entertained? Is this not why you are here??"
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    OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 32,063
    kle4 said:

    UKIP have missed the boat excluding Woolfe. He could have transformed UKIP to take on Labour in the north just as they're at their most vulnerable.

    Woolfe to be fair missed the boat submitting his application late, I don't understand those who blame technical problems when submitting a last minute application, why don't you just submit a day or two early hence avoiding this risk?

    Definitely. Even a few hours before would help. Sure, you expect things to work, but why was it necessary to leave it so late in the first place.
    When an agent I always made it a rule to get the nomination papers in in good time. That way any queries the Returning Officer might have could be sorted.

    Now in retirement I always start comparing car insurance etc prices a couple of weeks before the deadline.
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 76,002

    Blue_rog said:

    Anyway, so much for Mike's hope (and mine) that we'd have a quiet August

    I REALLY hope the excitement will continue through September and October as I'll be laid up recovering from foot surgery.
    September, October, and November are going to be so exciting, that's why we need the rest in August.

    September = Labour leadership contest, and a potential Labour split if Jez wins

    October = The business end of the US Presidential election campaign and Article 50 court case

    November = New POTUS elected

    December = Hammond's autumn statement and proper speculation on when Article 50 is going to be triggered in 2017
    That lot is nothing compared to the phone call I've just had.
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    Pulpstar said:

    Blue_rog said:

    Anyway, so much for Mike's hope (and mine) that we'd have a quiet August

    I REALLY hope the excitement will continue through September and October as I'll be laid up recovering from foot surgery.
    September, October, and November are going to be so exciting, that's why we need the rest in August.

    September = Labour leadership contest, and a potential Labour split if Jez wins

    October = The business end of the US Presidential election campaign and Article 50 court case

    November = New POTUS elected

    December = Hammond's autumn statement and proper speculation on when Article 50 is going to be triggered in 2017
    That lot is nothing compared to the phone call I've just had.
    Good news?
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    williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 48,146

    TSE @TSEofPB

    Interesting from Arron Banks via @katyballs

    No doubt if he won Labour would use 'Keep the Woolfe from the poor' at some point.
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    Is it appropriate for Banks to be using the Leave.EU logo?

    Again reinforcing how right the Electoral Commission was to choose Vote Leave rather than the plaything of an oddball.
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 76,002

    Pulpstar said:

    Blue_rog said:

    Anyway, so much for Mike's hope (and mine) that we'd have a quiet August

    I REALLY hope the excitement will continue through September and October as I'll be laid up recovering from foot surgery.
    September, October, and November are going to be so exciting, that's why we need the rest in August.

    September = Labour leadership contest, and a potential Labour split if Jez wins

    October = The business end of the US Presidential election campaign and Article 50 court case

    November = New POTUS elected

    December = Hammond's autumn statement and proper speculation on when Article 50 is going to be triggered in 2017
    That lot is nothing compared to the phone call I've just had.
    Good news?
    Vanilla !
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    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    I expect Farage will start a new populist anti immigration party which Woolfe will lead and UKIP will be left with Carswell, Neil Hamilton and whichever nonentity they now elect to lead them and wither on the vine

    Since the EU is no longer an issue they should just concentrate on being British ...

    Sounds like you want them to be rather nationalist, they should put National in their name too ...

    Obviously they are a Party ...

    Now what name could they go for ...
    When May agrees to continue free movement with controls to get some access to the single market that will be the time for an anti immigration party and the British Nationalists is as good a name as any
    Wow you are beyond parody ...
    Well they do not need to repeat the name exactly but they are aiming for the same consumers
    Yes it sure seems like that. They can probably achieve getting all 1,667 of them.
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    david_herdsondavid_herdson Posts: 17,422
    PlatoSaid said:

    Haiku

    Woolfe howling
    Farage barking
    mad

    /pedant

    Isn't a haiku 5/7/5 syllables?
    Fractious victory
    Forgotten while lurks outside
    A Woolfe at the door
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    williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 48,146

    Again reinforcing how right the Electoral Commission was to choose Vote Leave rather than the plaything of an oddball.

    It's appropriate that Vote Leave's official Twitter account has been silent since June 23rd while still having a banner saying 'We send the EU £350m a week. Let's fund our NHS instead."
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    david_herdsondavid_herdson Posts: 17,422

    Blue_rog said:

    Anyway, so much for Mike's hope (and mine) that we'd have a quiet August

    I REALLY hope the excitement will continue through September and October as I'll be laid up recovering from foot surgery.
    September, October, and November are going to be so exciting, that's why we need the rest in August.

    September = Labour leadership contest, and a potential Labour split if Jez wins

    October = The business end of the US Presidential election campaign and Article 50 court case

    November = New POTUS elected

    December = Hammond's autumn statement and proper speculation on when Article 50 is going to be triggered in 2017
    January = Trump's inaugural speech? (OK. probably not - but can you imagine?)
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    logical_songlogical_song Posts: 9,727
    kle4 said:

    kle4 said:

    felix said:

    John_M said:

    Ishmael_X said:

    With UKIP there isn't the "OMG but the brand is so valuable" objection to starting a new party - rather the reverse.

    "Brexit" would be a snappy enough name for a political party.
    A split in UKIP would add to May's joys immensely.
    Lib Dems beware, lest Theresa May's Sauronic eye fall upon thee, to your enduring and utter woe.
    A LD split into factions would be...an achievement!
    Even the remaining LDs are not a unified force - several LD members on here voted for Leave, for instance.
    I understand that several Conservative and several Labour members also voted in different ways in the referendum. By your definition no party is a unified force.
    Er, yes, obviously. I was making the point that just because the LDs are small does not mean they cannot split, or that it would be difficult to split into its factions. Even small parties are coalitions of opinions, therefore potentially open to split.
    Probably only UKIP and the LibDems have a totally united Parliamentary Party.
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    ThreeQuidderThreeQuidder Posts: 6,133

    Is it appropriate for Banks to be using the Leave.EU logo?

    Again reinforcing how right the Electoral Commission was to choose Vote Leave rather than the plaything of an oddball.
    That decision was necessary (but not sufficient) for a Leave win.
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    Again reinforcing how right the Electoral Commission was to choose Vote Leave rather than the plaything of an oddball.

    It's appropriate that Vote Leave's official Twitter account has been silent since June 23rd while still having a banner saying 'We send the EU £350m a week. Let's fund our NHS instead."
    It is. Nowhere in that quote does it say all £350m will go to the NHS.
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    Again reinforcing how right the Electoral Commission was to choose Vote Leave rather than the plaything of an oddball.

    It's appropriate that Vote Leave's official Twitter account has been silent since June 23rd while still having a banner saying 'We send the EU £350m a week. Let's fund our NHS instead."
    Believe in Britain!

    Be LEAVE! :)
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    SimonStClareSimonStClare Posts: 7,976
    edited August 2016

    Again reinforcing how right the Electoral Commission was to choose Vote Leave rather than the plaything of an oddball.

    It's appropriate that Vote Leave's official Twitter account has been silent since June 23rd while still having a banner saying 'We send the EU £350m a week. Let's fund our NHS instead."
    Believe in Britain!

    Be LEAVE! :)
    time to put that one to bed methinks...
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    kle4 said:

    kle4 said:

    felix said:

    John_M said:

    Ishmael_X said:

    With UKIP there isn't the "OMG but the brand is so valuable" objection to starting a new party - rather the reverse.

    "Brexit" would be a snappy enough name for a political party.
    A split in UKIP would add to May's joys immensely.
    Lib Dems beware, lest Theresa May's Sauronic eye fall upon thee, to your enduring and utter woe.
    A LD split into factions would be...an achievement!
    Even the remaining LDs are not a unified force - several LD members on here voted for Leave, for instance.
    I understand that several Conservative and several Labour members also voted in different ways in the referendum. By your definition no party is a unified force.
    Er, yes, obviously. I was making the point that just because the LDs are small does not mean they cannot split, or that it would be difficult to split into its factions. Even small parties are coalitions of opinions, therefore potentially open to split.
    Probably only UKIP and the LibDems have a totally united Parliamentary Party.
    Even UKIP regularly gets Parliamentary rebellions.
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    ThreeQuidderThreeQuidder Posts: 6,133

    kle4 said:

    kle4 said:

    felix said:

    John_M said:

    Ishmael_X said:

    With UKIP there isn't the "OMG but the brand is so valuable" objection to starting a new party - rather the reverse.

    "Brexit" would be a snappy enough name for a political party.
    A split in UKIP would add to May's joys immensely.
    Lib Dems beware, lest Theresa May's Sauronic eye fall upon thee, to your enduring and utter woe.
    A LD split into factions would be...an achievement!
    Even the remaining LDs are not a unified force - several LD members on here voted for Leave, for instance.
    I understand that several Conservative and several Labour members also voted in different ways in the referendum. By your definition no party is a unified force.
    Er, yes, obviously. I was making the point that just because the LDs are small does not mean they cannot split, or that it would be difficult to split into its factions. Even small parties are coalitions of opinions, therefore potentially open to split.
    Probably only UKIP and the LibDems have a totally united Parliamentary Party.
    And the SNP, who are forbidden to disagree with the Leader.
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    Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826
    edited August 2016

    kle4 said:

    kle4 said:

    felix said:

    John_M said:

    Ishmael_X said:

    With UKIP there isn't the "OMG but the brand is so valuable" objection to starting a new party - rather the reverse.

    "Brexit" would be a snappy enough name for a political party.
    A split in UKIP would add to May's joys immensely.
    Lib Dems beware, lest Theresa May's Sauronic eye fall upon thee, to your enduring and utter woe.
    A LD split into factions would be...an achievement!
    Even the remaining LDs are not a unified force - several LD members on here voted for Leave, for instance.
    I understand that several Conservative and several Labour members also voted in different ways in the referendum. By your definition no party is a unified force.
    Er, yes, obviously. I was making the point that just because the LDs are small does not mean they cannot split, or that it would be difficult to split into its factions. Even small parties are coalitions of opinions, therefore potentially open to split.
    Probably only UKIP and the LibDems have a totally united Parliamentary Party.
    And the SNP, who are forbidden to disagree with the Leader.
    What about the DUP, PC, Greens and I'm sure a couple of other equivalents.
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    WHAT!

    You can't name the cat Cromwell, that's an insult to Her Majesty.

    Cabinet office 'set to appoint cat called Cromwell as Chief Mouser'

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/08/03/cabinet-office-set-to-appoint-cat-called-cromwell-as-chief-mouse/
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    WHAT!

    You can't name the cat Cromwell, that's an insult to Her Majesty.

    Cabinet office 'set to appoint cat called Cromwell as Chief Mouser'

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/08/03/cabinet-office-set-to-appoint-cat-called-cromwell-as-chief-mouse/

    What's happened to Larry?
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    WHAT!

    You can't name the cat Cromwell, that's an insult to Her Majesty.

    Cabinet office 'set to appoint cat called Cromwell as Chief Mouser'

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/08/03/cabinet-office-set-to-appoint-cat-called-cromwell-as-chief-mouse/

    Maybe it's Thomas Cromwell ;)
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    Again reinforcing how right the Electoral Commission was to choose Vote Leave rather than the plaything of an oddball.

    It's appropriate that Vote Leave's official Twitter account has been silent since June 23rd while still having a banner saying 'We send the EU £350m a week. Let's fund our NHS instead."
    Believe in Britain!

    Be LEAVE! :)
    time to put that one to bed methinks...
    Article 50 hasn't been triggered...
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