Woolfe was strongly backed by Nigel Farage, who criticised his party’s NEC just days ago
"I have been fought at every step of the way by total amateurs who come to London once a month with sandwiches in their rucksacks, to attend NEC meetings that normally last seven hours."
Looks like Farage’s rubbishing of his own party’s NEC didn’t help Woolfe's chances,
And now UKIP NEC members have resigned in protest.
A whelk stall springs to mind.
Did Farage in an unguarded moment ever refer to the membership as being dominated by swivel-eyed fruitcakes, by any chance?
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Trump spokesman blames the death of Captain Khan in 2004 on Obama and Clinton changing the rules of engagement whilst President Bush was in office ....
Is this the cue for rightwing kippers to (re)join the Conservative party?
Not sure why they'd do that.
Entryism.
That's my biggest fear for the Tory party.
They've seen how they can change the Labour party, they might try and topple Theresa May and replace her with the ghastly Andrea Leadsom
The only mechanism to topple May lies with the MPs. Entryism is pretty difficult to pull off in the Conservative party, we have decent rules
I know, but I'm worried about the next Tory leadership contest, which, if we're lucky wont happen until 2025 ish but our decent rules didn't stop IDS becoming leader
IDS won because of what he wasn't. He wasn't a headbanger europhile like Ken. You know that. Now that we're heading out of the EU I find it hard to believe the Leadbangers will get a look in.
I expect Farage will start a new populist anti immigration party which Woolfe will lead and UKIP will be left with Carswell, Neil Hamilton and whichever nonentity they now elect to lead them and wither on the vine
Since the EU is no longer an issue they should just concentrate on being British ...
Sounds like you want them to be rather nationalist, they should put National in their name too ...
I expect Farage will start a new populist anti immigration party which Woolfe will lead and UKIP will be left with Carswell, Neil Hamilton and whichever nonentity they now elect to lead them and wither on the vine
Since the EU is no longer an issue they should just concentrate on being British ...
Sounds like you want them to be rather nationalist, they should put National in their name too ...
Obviously they are a Party ...
Now what name could they go for ...
When May agrees to continue free movement with controls to get some access to the single market that will be the time for an anti immigration party and the British Nationalists is as good a name as any
I expect Farage will start a new populist anti immigration party which Woolfe will lead and UKIP will be left with Carswell, Neil Hamilton and whichever nonentity they now elect to lead them and wither on the vine
Since the EU is no longer an issue they should just concentrate on being British ...
Sounds like you want them to be rather nationalist, they should put National in their name too ...
Obviously they are a Party ...
Now what name could they go for ...
When May agrees to continue free movement with controls to get some access to the single market that will be the time for an anti immigration party and the British Nationalists is as good a name as any
Where is HYUFD today to tell us how this is good news for UKIP who will sweep to power in 2020 because of this ?
Did you miss is heroic performance the other night that Steven Woolfe hadn't filled in his nomination paper for Manchester Police Commissioner incorrectly?
Woolfe claims his conviction for drink driving his scooter was spent but regardless things have moved on
I expect Farage will start a new populist anti immigration party which Woolfe will lead and UKIP will be left with Carswell, Neil Hamilton and whichever nonentity they now elect to lead them and wither on the vine
Since the EU is no longer an issue they should just concentrate on being British ...
Sounds like you want them to be rather nationalist, they should put National in their name too ...
Obviously they are a Party ...
Now what name could they go for ...
When May agrees to continue free movement with controls to get some access to the single market that will be the time for an anti immigration party and the British Nationalists is as good a name as any
Why not just add the word Socialist on the end. British national socialist party. Has a nice ring to it, plus if they are going to try and appeal to traditional Labour voters then saying they are socialist is a must.
Where is HYUFD today to tell us how this is good news for UKIP who will sweep to power in 2020 because of this ?
Did you miss is heroic performance the other night that Steven Woolfe hadn't filled in his nomination paper for Manchester Police Commissioner incorrectly?
Woolfe claims his conviction for drink driving his scooter was spent but regardless things have moved on
If there is a Nobel prize for point-missing, have your secretary research flights to Stockholm.
Where is HYUFD today to tell us how this is good news for UKIP who will sweep to power in 2020 because of this ?
Did you miss is heroic performance the other night that Steven Woolfe hadn't filled in his nomination paper for Manchester Police Commissioner incorrectly?
Woolfe claims his conviction for drink driving his scooter was spent but regardless things have moved on
I expect Farage will start a new populist anti immigration party which Woolfe will lead and UKIP will be left with Carswell, Neil Hamilton and whichever nonentity they now elect to lead them and wither on the vine
Since the EU is no longer an issue they should just concentrate on being British ...
Sounds like you want them to be rather nationalist, they should put National in their name too ...
Obviously they are a Party ...
Now what name could they go for ...
When May agrees to continue free movement with controls to get some access to the single market that will be the time for an anti immigration party and the British Nationalists is as good a name as any
Why not just add the word Socialist on the end. British national socialist party. Has a nice ring to it, plus if they are going to try and appeal to traditional Labour voters then saying they are socialist is a must.
Where is HYUFD today to tell us how this is good news for UKIP who will sweep to power in 2020 because of this ?
Did you miss is heroic performance the other night that Steven Woolfe hadn't filled in his nomination paper for Manchester Police Commissioner incorrectly?
Woolfe claims his conviction for drink driving his scooter was spent but regardless things have moved on
No he didn't say it was spent, the form doesn't ask about spent or unspent convictions, but any convictions that might attract an inprisonable sentence
I expect Farage will start a new populist anti immigration party which Woolfe will lead and UKIP will be left with Carswell, Neil Hamilton and whichever nonentity they now elect to lead them and wither on the vine
Since the EU is no longer an issue they should just concentrate on being British ...
Sounds like you want them to be rather nationalist, they should put National in their name too ...
Obviously they are a Party ...
Now what name could they go for ...
When May agrees to continue free movement with controls to get some access to the single market that will be the time for an anti immigration party and the British Nationalists is as good a name as any
Wow you are beyond parody ...
Well they do not need to repeat the name exactly but they are aiming for the same consumers
Where is HYUFD today to tell us how this is good news for UKIP who will sweep to power in 2020 because of this ?
Did you miss is heroic performance the other night that Steven Woolfe hadn't filled in his nomination paper for Manchester Police Commissioner incorrectly?
Woolfe claims his conviction for drink driving his scooter was spent but regardless things have moved on
AIUI one cannot have a spent conviction when standing for PCC posts. Wasn’t there someone in the West Country (IIRC) who had to withdraw as a PCC candidate because he’d been convicted of something or other minor 30 years before?
Where is HYUFD today to tell us how this is good news for UKIP who will sweep to power in 2020 because of this ?
Did you miss is heroic performance the other night that Steven Woolfe hadn't filled in his nomination paper for Manchester Police Commissioner incorrectly?
Woolfe claims his conviction for drink driving his scooter was spent but regardless things have moved on
AIUI one cannot have a spent conviction when standing for PCC posts. Wasn’t there someone in the West Country (IIRC) who had to withdraw as a PCC candidate because he’d been convicted of something or other minor 30 years before?
Yes well as I said things have moved on, Woolfe is not going to be leading UKIP but most probably a Faragist successor
@PeterMannionMP: Paul Nuttall doesn't run; Suzanne Evans gets barred; Steven Woolfe can't get form in on time; Diane James has freak lawnmower accident #ukip
Freak lawnmower accident?
Lawns are all about border control mind. Get that wrong and I doubt you'll go far in UKIP.
I expect Farage will start a new populist anti immigration party which Woolfe will lead and UKIP will be left with Carswell, Neil Hamilton and whichever nonentity they now elect to lead them and wither on the vine
Since the EU is no longer an issue they should just concentrate on being British ...
Sounds like you want them to be rather nationalist, they should put National in their name too ...
Obviously they are a Party ...
Now what name could they go for ...
When May agrees to continue free movement with controls to get some access to the single market that will be the time for an anti immigration party and the British Nationalists is as good a name as any
Why not just add the word Socialist on the end. British national socialist party. Has a nice ring to it, plus if they are going to try and appeal to traditional Labour voters then saying they are socialist is a must.
They also need to mention Workers. British Workers National Socialist Party.
I expect Farage will start a new populist anti immigration party which Woolfe will lead and UKIP will be left with Carswell, Neil Hamilton and whichever nonentity they now elect to lead them and wither on the vine
Since the EU is no longer an issue they should just concentrate on being British ...
Sounds like you want them to be rather nationalist, they should put National in their name too ...
Obviously they are a Party ...
Now what name could they go for ...
When May agrees to continue free movement with controls to get some access to the single market that will be the time for an anti immigration party and the British Nationalists is as good a name as any
Why not just add the word Socialist on the end. British national socialist party. Has a nice ring to it, plus if they are going to try and appeal to traditional Labour voters then saying they are socialist is a must.
"Socialism is the greatest system ever invented for making people equally poor." - Friedman in today's NY Times.
@PeterMannionMP: Paul Nuttall doesn't run; Suzanne Evans gets barred; Steven Woolfe can't get form in on time; Diane James has freak lawnmower accident #ukip
Freak lawnmower accident?
Lawns are all about border control mind. Get that wrong and I doubt you'll go far in UKIP.
Where is HYUFD today to tell us how this is good news for UKIP who will sweep to power in 2020 because of this ?
Did you miss is heroic performance the other night that Steven Woolfe hadn't filled in his nomination paper for Manchester Police Commissioner incorrectly?
Woolfe claims his conviction for drink driving his scooter was spent but regardless things have moved on
No he didn't say it was spent, the form doesn't ask about spent or unspent convictions, but any convictions that might attract an inprisonable sentence
Woolfe said he believed at the time his conviction was spent even if that belief was wrong in terms of what the form required but as I said below he will not be a candidate for UKIP leader now anyway
Is this the cue for rightwing kippers to (re)join the Conservative party?
Not sure why they'd do that.
Entryism.
That's my biggest fear for the Tory party.
They've seen how they can change the Labour party, they might try and topple Theresa May and replace her with the ghastly Andrea Leadsom
The only mechanism to topple May lies with the MPs. Entryism is pretty difficult to pull off in the Conservative party, we have decent rules
I know, but I'm worried about the next Tory leadership contest, which, if we're lucky wont happen until 2025 ish but our decent rules didn't stop IDS becoming leader
IDS won because of what he wasn't. He wasn't a headbanger europhile like Ken. You know that. Now that we're heading out of the EU I find it hard to believe the Leadbangers will get a look in.
For now at least it looks like they may as well declare Theresa May PM for life anyway
Give it 6 months and I doubt it will seem that is still the case.
Where is HYUFD today to tell us how this is good news for UKIP who will sweep to power in 2020 because of this ?
Did you miss is heroic performance the other night that Steven Woolfe hadn't filled in his nomination paper for Manchester Police Commissioner incorrectly?
Woolfe claims his conviction for drink driving his scooter was spent but regardless things have moved on
AIUI one cannot have a spent conviction when standing for PCC posts. Wasn’t there someone in the West Country (IIRC) who had to withdraw as a PCC candidate because he’d been convicted of something or other minor 30 years before?
Yup in 2012
The Labour Party candidate due to stand in the Avon and Somerset police commissioner election has stepped down due to a previous criminal conviction.
Bob Ashford, a former Frome councillor, said a crime he committed as a teenager bars him from standing for the post.
The Labour Party received clarification of the ruling from the Home Office and the Electoral Commission
I expect Farage will start a new populist anti immigration party which Woolfe will lead and UKIP will be left with Carswell, Neil Hamilton and whichever nonentity they now elect to lead them and wither on the vine
Since the EU is no longer an issue they should just concentrate on being British ...
Sounds like you want them to be rather nationalist, they should put National in their name too ...
Obviously they are a Party ...
Now what name could they go for ...
When May agrees to continue free movement with controls to get some access to the single market that will be the time for an anti immigration party and the British Nationalists is as good a name as any
Is this the cue for rightwing kippers to (re)join the Conservative party?
Not sure why they'd do that.
Entryism.
That's my biggest fear for the Tory party.
They've seen how they can change the Labour party, they might try and topple Theresa May and replace her with the ghastly Andrea Leadsom
The only mechanism to topple May lies with the MPs. Entryism is pretty difficult to pull off in the Conservative party, we have decent rules
I know, but I'm worried about the next Tory leadership contest, which, if we're lucky wont happen until 2025 ish but our decent rules didn't stop IDS becoming leader
IDS won because of what he wasn't. He wasn't a headbanger europhile like Ken. You know that. Now that we're heading out of the EU I find it hard to believe the Leadbangers will get a look in.
For now at least it looks like they may as well declare Theresa May PM for life anyway
Give it 6 months and I doubt it will seem that is still the case.
In 6 months Corbyn will have been reelected Labour leader
Oh well, on the bright side the UKIP Parliamentary Party can't split.......might defect en masse tho.....
Haven't we had enough excitement for one Summer - after BREXIT and the LEADSOMITES the spotlight had shifted to that cavalcade of wit & beauty that is the PLP - now this - how is one supposed to keep up?
I expect Farage will start a new populist anti immigration party which Woolfe will lead and UKIP will be left with Carswell, Neil Hamilton and whichever nonentity they now elect to lead them and wither on the vine
Since the EU is no longer an issue they should just concentrate on being British ...
Sounds like you want them to be rather nationalist, they should put National in their name too ...
Obviously they are a Party ...
Now what name could they go for ...
When May agrees to continue free movement with controls to get some access to the single market that will be the time for an anti immigration party and the British Nationalists is as good a name as any
Why not just add the word Socialist on the end. British national socialist party. Has a nice ring to it, plus if they are going to try and appeal to traditional Labour voters then saying they are socialist is a must.
"Socialism is the greatest system ever invented for making people equally poor." - Friedman in today's NY Times.
"The inherent vice of capitalism is the unequal sharing of blessings. The inherent virtue of Socialism is the equal sharing of miseries."
- Churchill in the House of Commons, October 22, 1945.
Is this the cue for rightwing kippers to (re)join the Conservative party?
Not sure why they'd do that.
Entryism.
That's my biggest fear for the Tory party.
They've seen how they can change the Labour party, they might try and topple Theresa May and replace her with the ghastly Andrea Leadsom
The only mechanism to topple May lies with the MPs. Entryism is pretty difficult to pull off in the Conservative party, we have decent rules
I know, but I'm worried about the next Tory leadership contest, which, if we're lucky wont happen until 2025 ish but our decent rules didn't stop IDS becoming leader
IDS won because of what he wasn't. He wasn't a headbanger europhile like Ken. You know that. Now that we're heading out of the EU I find it hard to believe the Leadbangers will get a look in.
For now at least it looks like they may as well declare Theresa May PM for life anyway
Give it 6 months and I doubt it will seem that is still the case.
In 6 months Corbyn will have been reelected Labour leader
True, but the MPs will mostly have gone quiet as they capitulate, and May's honeymoon will be over as things heat up over Europe and the economy. SHe'll probably still be leading, it will be hard not to under Corbyn, but she won't look as invicincible as she does now.
I expect Farage will start a new populist anti immigration party which Woolfe will lead and UKIP will be left with Carswell, Neil Hamilton and whichever nonentity they now elect to lead them and wither on the vine
Since the EU is no longer an issue they should just concentrate on being British ...
Sounds like you want them to be rather nationalist, they should put National in their name too ...
Obviously they are a Party ...
Now what name could they go for ...
When May agrees to continue free movement with controls to get some access to the single market that will be the time for an anti immigration party and the British Nationalists is as good a name as any
ROFL - you truly lack self-awareness.
26% want no free movement and no single market access according to Comres, that provides a base for Farage and Woolfe. Anyway back to work
UKIP have missed the boat excluding Woolfe. He could have transformed UKIP to take on Labour in the north just as they're at their most vulnerable.
Woolfe to be fair missed the boat submitting his application late, I don't understand those who blame technical problems when submitting a last minute application, why don't you just submit a day or two early hence avoiding this risk?
Definitely. Even a few hours before would help. Sure, you expect things to work, but why was it necessary to leave it so late in the first place.
On topic. Can someone explain why UKIP are so desperate to distance themselves from Farage/Woolf? Farage made them what they are today and on paper Woolf seems like the ideal candidate foe UKIP. I'm not a big fan of Nigel but no one can deny the effect he has had on British politics, without him we would not have voted to leave the EU. A candidate who can keep that going and dump some of the negatives would probably be quite successful.
To be honest it's best not to bother scratching your head too much about the motivations of some of the characters in the UKIP organisation.
Where is HYUFD today to tell us how this is good news for UKIP who will sweep to power in 2020 because of this ?
Did you miss is heroic performance the other night that Steven Woolfe hadn't filled in his nomination paper for Manchester Police Commissioner incorrectly?
Woolfe claims his conviction for drink driving his scooter was spent but regardless things have moved on
No he didn't say it was spent, the form doesn't ask about spent or unspent convictions, but any convictions that might attract an inprisonable sentence
Woolfe said he believed at the time his conviction was spent even if that belief was wrong in terms of what the form required
It's not like he's a lawyer or anything like that, is it?
Where is HYUFD today to tell us how this is good news for UKIP who will sweep to power in 2020 because of this ?
Did you miss is heroic performance the other night that Steven Woolfe hadn't filled in his nomination paper for Manchester Police Commissioner incorrectly?
Woolfe claims his conviction for drink driving his scooter was spent but regardless things have moved on
AIUI one cannot have a spent conviction when standing for PCC posts. Wasn’t there someone in the West Country (IIRC) who had to withdraw as a PCC candidate because he’d been convicted of something or other minor 30 years before?
Yup in 2012
The Labour Party candidate due to stand in the Avon and Somerset police commissioner election has stepped down due to a previous criminal conviction.
Bob Ashford, a former Frome councillor, said a crime he committed as a teenager bars him from standing for the post.
The Labour Party received clarification of the ruling from the Home Office and the Electoral Commission
Going by the statistics, the general election of 2014 has seen the highest number of politicians with criminal records being elected to the Indian parliament. As per records, every third newly elected MP in the Indian parliament has a criminal record.
Are we all watching the Life of Brian here? Not only do we have the Judean People's Front and the Popular Front of Judea going on in two significant parties, but many seem to see Jezza like he's some sort of Messiah who can do no wrong, come to change politics forever when it's clear to anyone this side of lucidity he's just a very naughty boy, (or the Black Knight claiming just another flesh wound - to be Pythonesque again).
The world of UK political parties has gone truly bonkers.
I expect Farage will start a new populist anti immigration party which Woolfe will lead and UKIP will be left with Carswell, Neil Hamilton and whichever nonentity they now elect to lead them and wither on the vine
Since the EU is no longer an issue they should just concentrate on being British ...
Sounds like you want them to be rather nationalist, they should put National in their name too ...
Obviously they are a Party ...
Now what name could they go for ...
When May agrees to continue free movement with controls to get some access to the single market that will be the time for an anti immigration party and the British Nationalists is as good a name as any
ROFL - you truly lack self-awareness.
How about the British Nationalist and Empire Loyalists (Channelling the spirit of Enoch Powell) Party ?
Are we all watching the Life of Brian here? Not only do we have the Judean People's Front and the Popular Front of Judea going on in two significant parties, but many seem to see Jezza like he's some sort of Messiah who can do no wrong, come to change politics forever when it's clear to anyone this side of lucidity he's just a very naughty boy, (or the Black Knight claiming just another flesh wound - to be Pythonesque again).
The world of UK political parties has gone truly bonkers.
"Look, you've got it all wrong! You don't NEED to follow ME, You don't NEED to follow ANYBODY! You've got to think for yourselves! You're ALL individuals!"
I expect Farage will start a new populist anti immigration party which Woolfe will lead and UKIP will be left with Carswell, Neil Hamilton and whichever nonentity they now elect to lead them and wither on the vine
Since the EU is no longer an issue they should just concentrate on being British ...
Sounds like you want them to be rather nationalist, they should put National in their name too ...
Obviously they are a Party ...
Now what name could they go for ...
When May agrees to continue free movement with controls to get some access to the single market that will be the time for an anti immigration party and the British Nationalists is as good a name as any
ROFL - you truly lack self-awareness.
How about the British Nationalist and Empire Loyalists (Channelling the spirit of Enoch Powell) Party ?
If Ukip split and Labour split, that'd be 6 parties going for the Labour vote? What hope is there that at some point someone in one of those groups might notice that the whole Labour vote is less than the Tory vote?
Are we all watching the Life of Brian here? Not only do we have the Judean People's Front and the Popular Front of Judea going on in two significant parties, but many seem to see Jezza like he's some sort of Messiah who can do no wrong, come to change politics forever when it's clear to anyone this side of lucidity he's just a very naughty boy, (or the Black Knight claiming just another flesh wound - to be Pythonesque again).
The world of UK political parties has gone truly bonkers.
"Look, you've got it all wrong! You don't NEED to follow ME, You don't NEED to follow ANYBODY! You've got to think for yourselves! You're ALL individuals!"
Are we all watching the Life of Brian here? Not only do we have the Judean People's Front and the Popular Front of Judea going on in two significant parties, but many seem to see Jezza like he's some sort of Messiah who can do no wrong, come to change politics forever when it's clear to anyone this side of lucidity he's just a very naughty boy, (or the Black Knight claiming just another flesh wound - to be Pythonesque again).
The world of UK political parties has gone truly bonkers.
"Look, you've got it all wrong! You don't NEED to follow ME, You don't NEED to follow ANYBODY! You've got to think for yourselves! You're ALL individuals!"
Are we all watching the Life of Brian here? Not only do we have the Judean People's Front and the Popular Front of Judea going on in two significant parties, but many seem to see Jezza like he's some sort of Messiah who can do no wrong, come to change politics forever when it's clear to anyone this side of lucidity he's just a very naughty boy, (or the Black Knight claiming just another flesh wound - to be Pythonesque again).
The world of UK political parties has gone truly bonkers.
"Look, you've got it all wrong! You don't NEED to follow ME, You don't NEED to follow ANYBODY! You've got to think for yourselves! You're ALL individuals!"
I'm not.
Shhhh!
Is this where the (ex?) mayor of Aberystwyth appears in the window? Always did enjoy that bit!
If Ukip split and Labour split, that'd be 6 parties going for the Labour vote? What hope is there that at some point someone in one of those groups might notice that the whole Labour vote is less than the Tory vote?
How ironic that after all the predictions that the conservatives would be murdering each other after the EU referendum, that they look to be the most united party. You couldn't make it up - lol!
I have absolutely no sympathy for Steven Woolfe, why on earth did he leave it so late to declare?
With UKIP there isn't the "OMG but the brand is so valuable" objection to starting a new party - rather the reverse.
"Brexit" would be a snappy enough name for a political party.
A split in UKIP would add to May's joys immensely.
Lib Dems beware, lest Theresa May's Sauronic eye fall upon thee, to your enduring and utter woe.
A LD split into factions would be...an achievement!
Even the remaining LDs are not a unified force - several LD members on here voted for Leave, for instance.
I understand that several Conservative and several Labour members also voted in different ways in the referendum. By your definition no party is a unified force.
If Ukip split and Labour split, that'd be 6 parties going for the Labour vote? What hope is there that at some point someone in one of those groups might notice that the whole Labour vote is less than the Tory vote?
The more the merrier - I hope they all find their place, but sadly FPTP is working against long term exciting multi-party politics. Seeing UKIP split and the threat potentially diminish will probably concentrate Labour minds as well. Like EU support going up in the Brexit aftermath (at least for now - if we are a successor it will again look a decent option), the chaos will make them not want to rock the boat.
They're already tipping each other over, but who is to be first to drill a hole in the bottom?
Where is HYUFD today to tell us how this is good news for UKIP who will sweep to power in 2020 because of this ?
Did you miss is heroic performance the other night that Steven Woolfe hadn't filled in his nomination paper for Manchester Police Commissioner incorrectly?
Woolfe claims his conviction for drink driving his scooter was spent but regardless things have moved on
No he didn't say it was spent, the form doesn't ask about spent or unspent convictions, but any convictions that might attract an inprisonable sentence
Woolfe said he believed at the time his conviction was spent even if that belief was wrong in terms of what the form required but as I said below he will not be a candidate for UKIP leader now anyway
What seems odd is that he's not been ruled out on grounds of the PCC election issue or his membership - both of which might seem reasonable - but on his form being received late. Now it may be that it was submitted late and if so, that's fair enough but if it was somehow delayed by a slow server or leaves on the superhighway or whatever, then there may well be a case to be made that his exclusion is unfair. It would certainly have been a very helpfully-timed technical issue for those with an interest in blocking him.
If Ukip split and Labour split, that'd be 6 parties going for the Labour vote? What hope is there that at some point someone in one of those groups might notice that the whole Labour vote is less than the Tory vote?
How ironic that after all the predictions that the conservatives would be murdering each other after the EU referendum, that they look to be the most united party. You couldn't make it up - lol!
I have absolutely no sympathy for Steven Woolfe, why on earth did he leave it so late to declare?
AFAIK there were technical problems when he tried earlier, then he was out the day before.
With UKIP there isn't the "OMG but the brand is so valuable" objection to starting a new party - rather the reverse.
"Brexit" would be a snappy enough name for a political party.
A split in UKIP would add to May's joys immensely.
Lib Dems beware, lest Theresa May's Sauronic eye fall upon thee, to your enduring and utter woe.
A LD split into factions would be...an achievement!
Even the remaining LDs are not a unified force - several LD members on here voted for Leave, for instance.
I understand that several Conservative and several Labour members also voted in different ways in the referendum. By your definition no party is a unified force.
Er, yes, obviously. I was making the point that just because the LDs are small does not mean they cannot split, or that it would be difficult to split into its factions. Even small parties are coalitions of opinions, therefore potentially open to split.
UKIP have missed the boat excluding Woolfe. He could have transformed UKIP to take on Labour in the north just as they're at their most vulnerable.
Woolfe to be fair missed the boat submitting his application late, I don't understand those who blame technical problems when submitting a last minute application, why don't you just submit a day or two early hence avoiding this risk?
Definitely. Even a few hours before would help. Sure, you expect things to work, but why was it necessary to leave it so late in the first place.
When an agent I always made it a rule to get the nomination papers in in good time. That way any queries the Returning Officer might have could be sorted.
Now in retirement I always start comparing car insurance etc prices a couple of weeks before the deadline.
I expect Farage will start a new populist anti immigration party which Woolfe will lead and UKIP will be left with Carswell, Neil Hamilton and whichever nonentity they now elect to lead them and wither on the vine
Since the EU is no longer an issue they should just concentrate on being British ...
Sounds like you want them to be rather nationalist, they should put National in their name too ...
Obviously they are a Party ...
Now what name could they go for ...
When May agrees to continue free movement with controls to get some access to the single market that will be the time for an anti immigration party and the British Nationalists is as good a name as any
Wow you are beyond parody ...
Well they do not need to repeat the name exactly but they are aiming for the same consumers
Yes it sure seems like that. They can probably achieve getting all 1,667 of them.
Again reinforcing how right the Electoral Commission was to choose Vote Leave rather than the plaything of an oddball.
It's appropriate that Vote Leave's official Twitter account has been silent since June 23rd while still having a banner saying 'We send the EU £350m a week. Let's fund our NHS instead."
With UKIP there isn't the "OMG but the brand is so valuable" objection to starting a new party - rather the reverse.
"Brexit" would be a snappy enough name for a political party.
A split in UKIP would add to May's joys immensely.
Lib Dems beware, lest Theresa May's Sauronic eye fall upon thee, to your enduring and utter woe.
A LD split into factions would be...an achievement!
Even the remaining LDs are not a unified force - several LD members on here voted for Leave, for instance.
I understand that several Conservative and several Labour members also voted in different ways in the referendum. By your definition no party is a unified force.
Er, yes, obviously. I was making the point that just because the LDs are small does not mean they cannot split, or that it would be difficult to split into its factions. Even small parties are coalitions of opinions, therefore potentially open to split.
Probably only UKIP and the LibDems have a totally united Parliamentary Party.
Again reinforcing how right the Electoral Commission was to choose Vote Leave rather than the plaything of an oddball.
It's appropriate that Vote Leave's official Twitter account has been silent since June 23rd while still having a banner saying 'We send the EU £350m a week. Let's fund our NHS instead."
It is. Nowhere in that quote does it say all £350m will go to the NHS.
Again reinforcing how right the Electoral Commission was to choose Vote Leave rather than the plaything of an oddball.
It's appropriate that Vote Leave's official Twitter account has been silent since June 23rd while still having a banner saying 'We send the EU £350m a week. Let's fund our NHS instead."
Again reinforcing how right the Electoral Commission was to choose Vote Leave rather than the plaything of an oddball.
It's appropriate that Vote Leave's official Twitter account has been silent since June 23rd while still having a banner saying 'We send the EU £350m a week. Let's fund our NHS instead."
With UKIP there isn't the "OMG but the brand is so valuable" objection to starting a new party - rather the reverse.
"Brexit" would be a snappy enough name for a political party.
A split in UKIP would add to May's joys immensely.
Lib Dems beware, lest Theresa May's Sauronic eye fall upon thee, to your enduring and utter woe.
A LD split into factions would be...an achievement!
Even the remaining LDs are not a unified force - several LD members on here voted for Leave, for instance.
I understand that several Conservative and several Labour members also voted in different ways in the referendum. By your definition no party is a unified force.
Er, yes, obviously. I was making the point that just because the LDs are small does not mean they cannot split, or that it would be difficult to split into its factions. Even small parties are coalitions of opinions, therefore potentially open to split.
Probably only UKIP and the LibDems have a totally united Parliamentary Party.
Even UKIP regularly gets Parliamentary rebellions.
With UKIP there isn't the "OMG but the brand is so valuable" objection to starting a new party - rather the reverse.
"Brexit" would be a snappy enough name for a political party.
A split in UKIP would add to May's joys immensely.
Lib Dems beware, lest Theresa May's Sauronic eye fall upon thee, to your enduring and utter woe.
A LD split into factions would be...an achievement!
Even the remaining LDs are not a unified force - several LD members on here voted for Leave, for instance.
I understand that several Conservative and several Labour members also voted in different ways in the referendum. By your definition no party is a unified force.
Er, yes, obviously. I was making the point that just because the LDs are small does not mean they cannot split, or that it would be difficult to split into its factions. Even small parties are coalitions of opinions, therefore potentially open to split.
Probably only UKIP and the LibDems have a totally united Parliamentary Party.
And the SNP, who are forbidden to disagree with the Leader.
With UKIP there isn't the "OMG but the brand is so valuable" objection to starting a new party - rather the reverse.
"Brexit" would be a snappy enough name for a political party.
A split in UKIP would add to May's joys immensely.
Lib Dems beware, lest Theresa May's Sauronic eye fall upon thee, to your enduring and utter woe.
A LD split into factions would be...an achievement!
Even the remaining LDs are not a unified force - several LD members on here voted for Leave, for instance.
I understand that several Conservative and several Labour members also voted in different ways in the referendum. By your definition no party is a unified force.
Er, yes, obviously. I was making the point that just because the LDs are small does not mean they cannot split, or that it would be difficult to split into its factions. Even small parties are coalitions of opinions, therefore potentially open to split.
Probably only UKIP and the LibDems have a totally united Parliamentary Party.
And the SNP, who are forbidden to disagree with the Leader.
What about the DUP, PC, Greens and I'm sure a couple of other equivalents.
Again reinforcing how right the Electoral Commission was to choose Vote Leave rather than the plaything of an oddball.
It's appropriate that Vote Leave's official Twitter account has been silent since June 23rd while still having a banner saying 'We send the EU £350m a week. Let's fund our NHS instead."
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Errr ....
http://www.politico.com/story/2016/08/trump-spokeswoman-blames-obama-for-2004-death-of-capt-khan-226598
BBCr4today: Donald Trump “is psychologically unbalanced”, says Republican Jan Halper-Hayes. Interview: https://t.co/KFAMWi1QNC https://t.co/UYdxuxAz6H
Could he unresign this time just to abolish the NEC?
Ok. Can comment now. Have stopped laughing.
Almost.
The SNP do Opposition better than Labour.
The Conservatives do new leaders better than Labour.
And the UKIP do stupid better than Labour.
Labour really are in trouble.
Woolfe howling
Farage barking
mad
The Labour Party candidate due to stand in the Avon and Somerset police commissioner election has stepped down due to a previous criminal conviction.
Bob Ashford, a former Frome councillor, said a crime he committed as a teenager bars him from standing for the post.
The Labour Party received clarification of the ruling from the Home Office and the Electoral Commission
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-somerset-19181071
Haven't we had enough excitement for one Summer - after BREXIT and the LEADSOMITES the spotlight had shifted to that cavalcade of wit & beauty that is the PLP - now this - how is one supposed to keep up?
- Churchill in the House of Commons, October 22, 1945.
http://www.ibtimes.co.in/186-indian-members-parliament-have-criminal-cases-including-murder-rape-600584#Odl6ejED1vHt84gr.97
Going by the statistics, the general election of 2014 has seen the highest number of politicians with criminal records being elected to the Indian parliament. As per records, every third newly elected MP in the Indian parliament has a criminal record.
Isn't a haiku 5/7/5 syllables?
The world of UK political parties has gone truly bonkers.
With Socialism everybody drives a Trabant. With Capitalism everybody drives different qualities of car, but its all better than a Trabant.
I have absolutely no sympathy for Steven Woolfe, why on earth did he leave it so late to declare?
They're already tipping each other over, but who is to be first to drill a hole in the bottom?
Seriously we really are not far off here......
AFAIK there were technical problems when he tried earlier, then he was out the day before.
He explained it at some point.
September = Labour leadership contest, and a potential Labour split if Jez wins
October = The business end of the US Presidential election campaign and Article 50 court case
November = New POTUS elected
December = Hammond's autumn statement and proper speculation on when Article 50 is going to be triggered in 2017
Now in retirement I always start comparing car insurance etc prices a couple of weeks before the deadline.
Again reinforcing how right the Electoral Commission was to choose Vote Leave rather than the plaything of an oddball.
Forgotten while lurks outside
A Woolfe at the door
Be LEAVE!
You can't name the cat Cromwell, that's an insult to Her Majesty.
Cabinet office 'set to appoint cat called Cromwell as Chief Mouser'
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/08/03/cabinet-office-set-to-appoint-cat-called-cromwell-as-chief-mouse/