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    SimonStClareSimonStClare Posts: 7,976
    edited August 2016
    DaveDave said:

    You may have covered this already, but surely Farage could be the next leader of UKIP. I assume there are odds somewhere?

    His name is not on the ballot – barring a civil war, surely a named person will be next leader?
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    RobDRobD Posts: 58,990
    Speedy said:

    Speedy said:

    JackW said:

    I need to pick your brain.

    Imagine if John McCain was the GOP nominee in 2000, would he have become POTUS, defeating Al Gore?

    Yes.

    McCain's double misfortune was Bush winning on 2000 largely on the basis of Gore detaching himself from Bill Clinton and then in 08 coming up against the brilliant campaigner in Obama and the financial crisis.

    McCain would also win now against Clinton.
    McCain would have nuked the entire world on 9/11.

    His only policy is:

    "I'm John McCain, and I endorse WAR"

    Anyway this is circulating:

    https://twitter.com/LarrySabato/status/760841043499585537
    He can't withdraw, his name would still go forward as the Republican candidate.
    The idea is that Trump resigns the nomination and the RNC nominates someone else, there is precedent from 1912 and 1972 but for VP's.

    I can't see that working politically because half of republican voters are Trump fanatics, only if they replaced Trump with another Trump would it work.

    Best case right now, Trump resigns but the nomination stays in the Trump family and goes to Ivanka.

    She is well liked by the media, is seen as the most political savvy of the Trump family and as a woman she would get Hillary's only card.

    But the only ones who can convince Trump of doing this is probably his own family.
    It's probably for the better of them since the Trump family name is going through the gutter right now, and Trump is facing a hostile and politically charged Jury on his trial.

    I never though that my 10000th comment would be speculation of Trump withdrawing from the GOP nomination, but there you go.
    10,001 ;)
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    ThreeQuidderThreeQuidder Posts: 6,133
    MTimT said:

    Charles said:

    MaxPB said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    I expect Farage will start a new populist anti immigration party which Woolfe will lead and UKIP will be left with Carswell, Neil Hamilton and whichever nonentity they now elect to lead them and wither on the vine

    Since the EU is no longer an issue they should just concentrate on being British ...

    Sounds like you want them to be rather nationalist, they should put National in their name too ...

    Obviously they are a Party ...

    Now what name could they go for ...
    When May agrees to continue free movement with controls to get some access to the single market that will be the time for an anti immigration party and the British Nationalists is as good a name as any
    Why not just add the word Socialist on the end. British national socialist party. Has a nice ring to it, plus if they are going to try and appeal to traditional Labour voters then saying they are socialist is a must.
    They also need to mention Workers. British Workers National Socialist Party.
    Workers & National Kipper, English Regions & Socialist party?
    I wonder what acronym we could use for that?
    How about the Local Occasionally Socialist English Regions Syndicate?
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    oxfordsimonoxfordsimon Posts: 5,831

    DaveDave said:

    You may have covered this already, but surely Farage could be the next leader of UKIP. I assume there are odds somewhere?

    His name is not on the ballot – barring a civil war, surely a named person will be next leader?
    I thought Named Persons was now illegal....
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    SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    RobD said:

    Speedy said:

    Speedy said:

    JackW said:

    I need to pick your brain.

    Imagine if John McCain was the GOP nominee in 2000, would he have become POTUS, defeating Al Gore?

    Yes.

    McCain's double misfortune was Bush winning on 2000 largely on the basis of Gore detaching himself from Bill Clinton and then in 08 coming up against the brilliant campaigner in Obama and the financial crisis.

    McCain would also win now against Clinton.
    McCain would have nuked the entire world on 9/11.

    His only policy is:

    "I'm John McCain, and I endorse WAR"

    Anyway this is circulating:

    https://twitter.com/LarrySabato/status/760841043499585537
    He can't withdraw, his name would still go forward as the Republican candidate.
    The idea is that Trump resigns the nomination and the RNC nominates someone else, there is precedent from 1912 and 1972 but for VP's.

    I can't see that working politically because half of republican voters are Trump fanatics, only if they replaced Trump with another Trump would it work.

    Best case right now, Trump resigns but the nomination stays in the Trump family and goes to Ivanka.

    She is well liked by the media, is seen as the most political savvy of the Trump family and as a woman she would get Hillary's only card.

    But the only ones who can convince Trump of doing this is probably his own family.
    It's probably for the better of them since the Trump family name is going through the gutter right now, and Trump is facing a hostile and politically charged Jury on his trial.

    I never though that my 10000th comment would be speculation of Trump withdrawing from the GOP nomination, but there you go.
    10,001 ;)
    10000th

    The Larry Sabato tweet post.
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    houndtanghoundtang Posts: 450
    Is Wolfe worth a punt at 6-1 on the basis this could be reversed?
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    RobDRobD Posts: 58,990
    edited August 2016
    Speedy said:

    RobD said:

    Speedy said:

    Speedy said:

    JackW said:

    I need to pick your brain.

    Imagine if John McCain was the GOP nominee in 2000, would he have become POTUS, defeating Al Gore?

    Yes.

    McCain's double misfortune was Bush winning on 2000 largely on the basis of Gore detaching himself from Bill Clinton and then in 08 coming up against the brilliant campaigner in Obama and the financial crisis.

    McCain would also win now against Clinton.
    McCain would have nuked the entire world on 9/11.

    His only policy is:

    "I'm John McCain, and I endorse WAR"

    Anyway this is circulating:

    https://twitter.com/LarrySabato/status/760841043499585537
    He can't withdraw, his name would still go forward as the Republican candidate.
    The idea is that Trump resigns the nomination and the RNC nominates someone else, there is precedent from 1912 and 1972 but for VP's.

    I can't see that working politically because half of republican voters are Trump fanatics, only if they replaced Trump with another Trump would it work.

    Best case right now, Trump resigns but the nomination stays in the Trump family and goes to Ivanka.

    She is well liked by the media, is seen as the most political savvy of the Trump family and as a woman she would get Hillary's only card.

    But the only ones who can convince Trump of doing this is probably his own family.
    It's probably for the better of them since the Trump family name is going through the gutter right now, and Trump is facing a hostile and politically charged Jury on his trial.

    I never though that my 10000th comment would be speculation of Trump withdrawing from the GOP nomination, but there you go.
    10,001 ;)
    10000th

    The Larry Sabato tweet post.
    10000th and 10001st then. But agreed, barmy times.
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    HurstLlamaHurstLlama Posts: 9,098
    @valleyboy

    "You should have come over to Pembrokeshire. Better beaches but less crowded. Mind you, the mobile signal is shit."

    We had a holiday in North Devon a few years ago and I thought then why isn't there a ferry across to Wales? If done in the holiday season I would have thought it could be done at a profit and benefit both sides.

    That said I spent most of the crossing to and from Lundy Island trying not to spew my ring and that on a lovely, if somewhat blowy, day in August.
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    oxfordsimonoxfordsimon Posts: 5,831
    Did anyone else notice what Woolfe was wearing for his TV appearances today?

    The green velvet collar on his jacket made him look vaguely teutonic. Not exactly a 'man of the people' look...
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    Lots of empty seats at the cricket today.
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    MTimT said:

    Charles said:

    MaxPB said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    I expect Farage will start a new populist anti immigration party which Woolfe will lead and UKIP will be left with Carswell, Neil Hamilton and whichever nonentity they now elect to lead them and wither on the vine

    Since the EU is no longer an issue they should just concentrate on being British ...

    Sounds like you want them to be rather nationalist, they should put National in their name too ...

    Obviously they are a Party ...

    Now what name could they go for ...
    When May agrees to continue free movement with controls to get some access to the single market that will be the time for an anti immigration party and the British Nationalists is as good a name as any
    Why not just add the word Socialist on the end. British national socialist party. Has a nice ring to it, plus if they are going to try and appeal to traditional Labour voters then saying they are socialist is a must.
    They also need to mention Workers. British Workers National Socialist Party.
    Workers & National Kipper, English Regions & Socialist party?
    I wonder what acronym we could use for that?
    How about the Local Occasionally Socialist English Regions Syndicate?
    Freedom Regained Upon Independence To Conservative And Kipper English Socialists
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    Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    MTimT said:

    I wonder what acronym we could use for that?

    NAMBLA
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    SimonStClareSimonStClare Posts: 7,976

    DaveDave said:

    You may have covered this already, but surely Farage could be the next leader of UKIP. I assume there are odds somewhere?

    His name is not on the ballot – barring a civil war, surely a named person will be next leader?
    I thought Named Persons was now illegal....
    any more lip from you sir, and I’ll report you to your head teacher for corrective training :lol:
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    SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    The Trump resignation rumour is picking up steam:

    https://twitter.com/GioBenitez/status/760838639161081856

    https://twitter.com/BraddJaffy/status/760854625847083012

    As I mentioned, this trick could work only if then nomination stays in the Trump family (they can keep all the logos, the policies, Trump voters, but getting rid of Trump's manners), my recommendation would be to give it to Ivanka Trump.
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    TheWhiteRabbitTheWhiteRabbit Posts: 12,388
    houndtang said:

    Is Wolfe worth a punt at 6-1 on the basis this could be reversed?

    Not at 6/1, I don't think. I would say at twice that it would be value.
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    Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453

    Lots of empty seats at the cricket today.

    @hendopolis: Guys on @bbctms wondering why game not sold out. It is £90 and you can't take your own booze.

    @hendopolis: Also stunned the @bbctms guys cheerfully admit they don't know how much tickets cost. Hopelessly privileged?
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    oxfordsimonoxfordsimon Posts: 5,831

    DaveDave said:

    You may have covered this already, but surely Farage could be the next leader of UKIP. I assume there are odds somewhere?

    His name is not on the ballot – barring a civil war, surely a named person will be next leader?
    I thought Named Persons was now illegal....
    any more lip from you sir, and I’ll report you to your head teacher for corrective training :lol:
    Promises, promises...
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    taffystaffys Posts: 9,753
    ''The Trump resignation rumour is picking up steam:''

    Here's what I don;t understand. If Trump's such a rotten candidate, then the dems should simply run against him and thump him.

    No. They seem to want him out of the way.
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    RobDRobD Posts: 58,990
    Speedy said:

    The Trump resignation rumour is picking up steam:

    https://twitter.com/GioBenitez/status/760838639161081856

    https://twitter.com/BraddJaffy/status/760854625847083012

    As I mentioned, this trick could work only if then nomination stays in the Trump family (they can keep all the logos, the policies, Trump voters, but getting rid of Trump's manners), my recommendation would be to give it to Ivanka Trump.

    Reminds me of the lawyers and peers trying to block Brexit.
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    Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    @KeirSimmons: GOP Rep. Richard Hanna: I'll vote for Clinton; first House member to cross party line https://t.co/i3jLVf7lW1 https://t.co/j6y5l9wfa3
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    SandpitSandpit Posts: 49,941
    edited August 2016
    MTimT said:

    Sandpit said:

    MTimT said:

    Sandpit said:

    Afternoon all. Catching up after a busy day and lots of being stuck in traffic.

    For fans of plane crash photos: (nobody seriously injured BTW)
    http://www.thenational.ae/uae/transport/emirates-flight-catches-fire-on-landing-at-dubai-airport---in-pictures
    Looking like bad weather at the moment, was 49 degrees, very low pressure and strong but variable winds today - a pilot's nightmare.

    What time of day. I know that in that part of the world the biggies tend to take off in the wee hours of the morning for the heavier air.
    12:45 local, 08:45GMT. Horrible weather today, seriously hot and humid. Pressure was 988mb and temp 49C. Rumour is that there was a wind shear and he tried to go around but fell into the hole in the air. Very unfortunate, and reminiscent of the BA crash in a similar 777 at LHR a few years back, although it for different reasons. Those Boeings are very well built indeed.
    I think there was a domestic US crash in the mid 80s which led to the discovery of microbursts.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Delta_Air_Lines_Flight_191
    Interesting find, thanks. Will add the full NTSB report to the reading list.

    No storms in DXB today, but the low pressure (993mb) could well have contributed to the accident.
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    RobDRobD Posts: 58,990
    Scott_P said:

    Lots of empty seats at the cricket today.

    @hendopolis: Guys on @bbctms wondering why game not sold out. It is £90 and you can't take your own booze.

    @hendopolis: Also stunned the @bbctms guys cheerfully admit they don't know how much tickets cost. Hopelessly privileged?
    It's their job....
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    Scott_P said:

    Lots of empty seats at the cricket today.

    @hendopolis: Guys on @bbctms wondering why game not sold out. It is £90 and you can't take your own booze.

    @hendopolis: Also stunned the @bbctms guys cheerfully admit they don't know how much tickets cost. Hopelessly privileged?
    Not sure where he got the £90 figure from. A quick look & You can get good seats tomorrow for £40.
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    nunununu Posts: 6,024
    Massive double standards, apparently he was a "volunteer" not brown enough to be a terrorist?

    https://www.google.co.uk/amp/www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/36959218?client=ms-android-oneplus
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    Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,008
    Mildly amused by this. Live business updates. Headline = FTSE down:
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/business-36924092

    How much? A staggering 0.25% according to the feed (BBC front page says it's down 0.17%).

    Talking up bad news? Surely not.
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    Ishmael_XIshmael_X Posts: 3,664

    @valleyboy

    "You should have come over to Pembrokeshire. Better beaches but less crowded. Mind you, the mobile signal is shit."

    We had a holiday in North Devon a few years ago and I thought then why isn't there a ferry across to Wales? If done in the holiday season I would have thought it could be done at a profit and benefit both sides.

    That said I spent most of the crossing to and from Lundy Island trying not to spew my ring and that on a lovely, if somewhat blowy, day in August.

    Tides are a problem - that's why there are no marinas along that coast.
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    Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453

    Not sure where he got the £90 figure from. A quick look & You can get good seats tomorrow for £40.

    I assume the £90s are sold out...
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    oxfordsimonoxfordsimon Posts: 5,831

    Mildly amused by this. Live business updates. Headline = FTSE down:
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/business-36924092

    How much? A staggering 0.25% according to the feed (BBC front page says it's down 0.17%).

    Talking up bad news? Surely not.

    They do this nearly every day. Anyone would think they had an agenda...
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    Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,008
    Mr. Simon, quite.

    As I said, bad news shouldn't be ignored, but nor should it be exaggerated or manufactured.
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    RobDRobD Posts: 58,990
    nunu said:

    Massive double standards, apparently he was a "volunteer" not brown enough to be a terrorist?

    https://www.google.co.uk/amp/www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/36959218?client=ms-android-oneplus

    He was fighting with the good guys, surely?
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    Scott_P said:

    Not sure where he got the £90 figure from. A quick look & You can get good seats tomorrow for £40.

    I assume the £90s are sold out...
    I have no idea where he got that figure. The official website is showing loads of tickets everyday at £40-60 behind the bowlers arm. Might go myself.
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    HurstLlamaHurstLlama Posts: 9,098
    runnymede said:

    "he committed the party to pushing the minimum wage up to £8.25 and forcing employers to give it to all adults on the payroll, not just those over 25 - to be funded by tax increases for the highest-earners in society and businesses."

    Huh...so tax businesses more to pay for businesses to pay their employees more. How does that one work then?

    Well if business will not pay their people enough even for a very minimal standard of living and expect the taxpayers to pick up the difference, what can you expect? Some businesses might have a leg to stand on if they were not paying their senior executives very large sums indeed whilst the junior staff cannot afford to keep a roof over their heads on the wages that they are paid.

    In work benefits always strike me as pernicious as they are, in effect a subsidy, from the marginal net taxpayer the larger companies and the very well off. If a company's business model relies on employing people on the minimum legal wage knowing that those wages will be topped up from taxpayers then that company does not deserve to survive.
    Wages are not topped up for employees on the minimum legal wage. If somebody is working 40 hours a week on 7.20 an hour then that is an income of just over £15000 per year. If a couple are doing that then they are on a minimum wage of over £30,000 per year.

    Please show me an automatic subsidy given to all families on more than £30,000 per year.

    Those on benefits are typically getting benefits for children and/or are part timers. If the government wants to pay more for children or people working part time hours then that is not the employers fault. Quite the opposite in fact as an employer it can be a real challenge to get people to agree to work more than 16 hours per week sometimes.
    Housingg benefit, tax credits
    A good move would be to abolish housing benefit entirely, starting in London.
    I agree Mr, Mede but can you imagine the screaming? All those landlords who would suddenly be underwater on their BTL loans. Doesn't bear thinking about. However, I suspect until such distorting payments are abolished then we will never get of the structural deficit and the SE will continue to attract more people than it can properly cope with.

    That said what I would rather like to see in the next couple of years is a government scheme to encourage elderly people to move out of large family houses in the SE into smaller, but not small, houses in the North, places like Hexham. Need not be too expensive, zero stamp duty, a government grant towards moving costs, that sort of thing. Trivial amounts of money in the great scheme of things but perhaps of useful benefit for North, South and me.
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    oxfordsimonoxfordsimon Posts: 5,831

    Mr. Simon, quite.

    As I said, bad news shouldn't be ignored, but nor should it be exaggerated or manufactured.

    The BBC just love to make the news. I am all for proper investigative journalism but they have so many editors/commentators who love to make their comments into news stories that it has completely undermined any good work that real journalists have done.

    I want news to be reported. I don't need someone to give me their opinion on it. I don't need it 'explaining' - just reported.
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    JackWJackW Posts: 14,787
    Speedy said:

    As I mentioned, this trick could work only if then nomination stays in the Trump family (they can keep all the logos, the policies, Trump voters, but getting rid of Trump's manners), my recommendation would be to give it to Ivanka Trump.

    Wasn't Ivanka Trump born in Kenya? .... :smiley:

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    Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453

    I have no idea where he got that figure. The official website is showing loads of tickets everyday at £40-60 behind the bowlers arm. Might go myself.

    @hendopolis: .@DJ_CUPPA @bbctms my Lords ticket cost £90 and so did my Oval ticket.

    Apparently it's cheaper "up north"... :)
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    MarkHopkinsMarkHopkins Posts: 5,584

    I agree Mr, Mede but can you imagine the screaming? All those landlords who would suddenly be underwater on their BTL loans. Doesn't bear thinking about. However, I suspect until such distorting payments are abolished then we will never get of the structural deficit and the SE will continue to attract more people than it can properly cope with.

    That said what I would rather like to see in the next couple of years is a government scheme to encourage elderly people to move out of large family houses in the SE into smaller, but not small, houses in the North, places like Hexham. Need not be too expensive, zero stamp duty, a government grant towards moving costs, that sort of thing. Trivial amounts of money in the great scheme of things but perhaps of useful benefit for North, South and me.


    Move elderly people away from their families and the area they've known all their life?

    Can't see a great number taking that up.

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    nunununu Posts: 6,024
    RobD said:

    nunu said:

    Massive double standards, apparently he was a "volunteer" not brown enough to be a terrorist?

    https://www.google.co.uk/amp/www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/36959218?client=ms-android-oneplus

    He was fighting with the good guys, surely?
    The head of the CPS said whoever goes to fight in Syria is breaking the law no matter what side they are fighting on buy we seem to turn a blind eye when it suits us.
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,292
    edited August 2016
    Scott_P said:

    I have no idea where he got that figure. The official website is showing loads of tickets everyday at £40-60 behind the bowlers arm. Might go myself.

    @hendopolis: .@DJ_CUPPA @bbctms my Lords ticket cost £90 and so did my Oval ticket.

    Apparently it's cheaper "up north"... :)
    So the journo got his facts wrong then...lords is always stupid money but people seem to be willing to pay it in London.

    £40 for a days cricket doesn't seem bad to me. Unfortunately i have meetings tomorrow & Friday, so my concern would be will we get a full day 4.
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    HurstLlamaHurstLlama Posts: 9,098
    Ishmael_X said:

    @valleyboy

    "You should have come over to Pembrokeshire. Better beaches but less crowded. Mind you, the mobile signal is shit."

    We had a holiday in North Devon a few years ago and I thought then why isn't there a ferry across to Wales? If done in the holiday season I would have thought it could be done at a profit and benefit both sides.

    That said I spent most of the crossing to and from Lundy Island trying not to spew my ring and that on a lovely, if somewhat blowy, day in August.

    Tides are a problem - that's why there are no marinas along that coast.
    Ah, thank you, Mr X, that does make sense.
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    RobDRobD Posts: 58,990
    JackW said:

    Speedy said:

    As I mentioned, this trick could work only if then nomination stays in the Trump family (they can keep all the logos, the policies, Trump voters, but getting rid of Trump's manners), my recommendation would be to give it to Ivanka Trump.

    Wasn't Ivanka Trump born in Kenya? .... :smiley:

    Huh, just checking her out on wikipedia, I had naively thought she was a Russian! (I've not heard her speak so I am sure that would have been a dead giveaway).
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    Sigh wicket....need to find a way to get to 300.
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    SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    taffys said:

    ''The Trump resignation rumour is picking up steam:''

    Here's what I don;t understand. If Trump's such a rotten candidate, then the dems should simply run against him and thump him.

    No. They seem to want him out of the way.

    The problem is that Trump has been attacking everybody but Hillary since the convention.
    He has attacked even his own team.

    This has a feeling of the legal team of Richard Nixon pleading him to resign before it's too late.

    Will Trump listen ?
    Would there be an ideal compromise, in that Trump steps down to allow his daughter to take over ?
    Should Hillary be afraid that Trump will listen ?
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    For those who cannot speak German, 69% of Germans say Merkel's policy on refugees did not contribute to the recent terrorist attacks in Germany, which makes sense.

    https://twitter.com/andreaspetzold/status/760706316415406080
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    RobDRobD Posts: 58,990
    nunu said:

    RobD said:

    nunu said:

    Massive double standards, apparently he was a "volunteer" not brown enough to be a terrorist?

    https://www.google.co.uk/amp/www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/36959218?client=ms-android-oneplus

    He was fighting with the good guys, surely?
    The head of the CPS said whoever goes to fight in Syria is breaking the law no matter what side they are fighting on buy we seem to turn a blind eye when it suits us.
    Looks like they would prosecute whoever went, so I'm not sure how we are turning a blind eye

    http://www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/exclusive-brits-who-fight-in-syria-face-life-in-jail-9104171.html

    In any case, I'm not sure many people would view him as a terrorist, despite the fact the law says it's illegal to fight in any foreign conflict.
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    JackWJackW Posts: 14,787
    Confident Clinton super PAC scales back ad buys in Colorado in the coming weeks :

    http://www.politico.com/blogs/swing-states-2016-election/2016/08/clinton-super-pac-colorado-ad-buy-226616
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    Ishmael_XIshmael_X Posts: 3,664

    houndtang said:

    Is Wolfe worth a punt at 6-1 on the basis this could be reversed?

    Not at 6/1, I don't think. I would say at twice that it would be value.
    I am certain (as much as one can be, knowing neither the facts nor the rules) there is scope for any amount of 'it depends what you mean by "submitted"/"received"' legal wiggling over the nomination, but Woolfe would have to go to court about it, and he is probably feeling a bit shy over the pcc non-disclosure issue, which hasn't officially reared its head yet but might do so in future.
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    SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100

    For those who cannot speak German, 69% of Germans say Merkel's policy on refugees did not contribute to the recent terrorist attacks in Germany, which makes sense.

    https://twitter.com/andreaspetzold/status/760706316415406080

    She only allowed the terrorists in for free.
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    Scott_P said:

    I have no idea where he got that figure. The official website is showing loads of tickets everyday at £40-60 behind the bowlers arm. Might go myself.

    @hendopolis: .@DJ_CUPPA @bbctms my Lords ticket cost £90 and so did my Oval ticket.

    Apparently it's cheaper "up north"... :)
    So the journo got his facts wrong then...lords is always stupid money but people seem to be willing to pay it in London.

    £40 for a days cricket doesn't seem bad to me. Unfortunately i have meetings tomorrow & Friday, so my concern would be will we get a full day 4.
    I always recall Tests starting on a Thursday (or the rare Friday). Since when was a Wednesday start so common?
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    john_zimsjohn_zims Posts: 3,399
    edited August 2016
    @Speedy

    'She only allowed the terrorists in for free.'

    What else can they say,they know their stuffed ?

    Only around 10,000 of the million Merkel allowed in are terrorists.

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    Scott_P said:

    I have no idea where he got that figure. The official website is showing loads of tickets everyday at £40-60 behind the bowlers arm. Might go myself.

    @hendopolis: .@DJ_CUPPA @bbctms my Lords ticket cost £90 and so did my Oval ticket.

    Apparently it's cheaper "up north"... :)
    So the journo got his facts wrong then...lords is always stupid money but people seem to be willing to pay it in London.

    £40 for a days cricket doesn't seem bad to me. Unfortunately i have meetings tomorrow & Friday, so my concern would be will we get a full day 4.
    I always recall Tests starting on a Thursday (or the rare Friday). Since when was a Wednesday start so common?
    It is because they used to play one week on, one week off, but now they try to get 2 test series plus one sayers & T20, so more back to back tests & general shift around of things.
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    Scott_P said:

    I have no idea where he got that figure. The official website is showing loads of tickets everyday at £40-60 behind the bowlers arm. Might go myself.

    @hendopolis: .@DJ_CUPPA @bbctms my Lords ticket cost £90 and so did my Oval ticket.

    Apparently it's cheaper "up north"... :)
    So the journo got his facts wrong then...lords is always stupid money but people seem to be willing to pay it in London.

    £40 for a days cricket doesn't seem bad to me. Unfortunately i have meetings tomorrow & Friday, so my concern would be will we get a full day 4.
    I always recall Tests starting on a Thursday (or the rare Friday). Since when was a Wednesday start so common?
    When we moved to back to back tests.

    Is now either Tests starting Thursday and Friday or Wednesday and Thursday
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    SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    edited August 2016
    JackW said:

    Speedy said:

    As I mentioned, this trick could work only if then nomination stays in the Trump family (they can keep all the logos, the policies, Trump voters, but getting rid of Trump's manners), my recommendation would be to give it to Ivanka Trump.

    Wasn't Ivanka Trump born in Kenya? .... :smiley:

    She is qualified by the constitution, she would be 35 years old by election day.
    She would probably beat Hillary by a landslide in that she is:

    A. Trump
    B. Not Donald
    C. A woman
    D. Is a young mother
    E. Liked by media

    Donald Trump would probably gain a pardon from his daughter in case of conviction on his Trump University trial and of course access to the White House.
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    john_zims said:

    @Speedy

    'She only allowed the terrorists in for free.'

    What else can they say,they know their stuffed ?

    So come on John, list all the the terrorist attacks in Germany carried out by the recently arrived immigrants of Frau Merkel's policy.
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,292
    edited August 2016
    The cricviz thing is so broken. England are 55% fav, Pakistan 30%. England will do well to get 300.
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    HurstLlamaHurstLlama Posts: 9,098

    I agree Mr, Mede but can you imagine the screaming? All those landlords who would suddenly be underwater on their BTL loans. Doesn't bear thinking about. However, I suspect until such distorting payments are abolished then we will never get of the structural deficit and the SE will continue to attract more people than it can properly cope with.

    That said what I would rather like to see in the next couple of years is a government scheme to encourage elderly people to move out of large family houses in the SE into smaller, but not small, houses in the North, places like Hexham. Need not be too expensive, zero stamp duty, a government grant towards moving costs, that sort of thing. Trivial amounts of money in the great scheme of things but perhaps of useful benefit for North, South and me.


    Move elderly people away from their families and the area they've known all their life?

    Can't see a great number taking that up.

    You might be surprised., Mr. Hopkins.

    At present in the SE the figures for downsizing just don't work and actually there are a lot of people who would very much like to downsize and whose children and families are spread all over the globe let alone the UK. So I think you might be surprised about how little attachment to place there is amongst the elderly in the SE.

    Add into that the massive housebuilding that is going on in the SE without the concomitant investment in infrastructure (transport and health particularly) and it is not difficult to see how for the investment of, in relative terms, a few quid shifting the oldies up North, whilst leaving them with a wodge to pay for health/social care, might e a very attractive option.
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    malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 42,077

    DaveDave said:

    You may have covered this already, but surely Farage could be the next leader of UKIP. I assume there are odds somewhere?

    His name is not on the ballot – barring a civil war, surely a named person will be next leader?
    I thought Named Persons was now illegal....
    No still in trials and will be with you in a month or two, once they get round the right wing Junta kangaroo court ruling
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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,584
    edited August 2016

    I agree Mr, Mede but can you imagine the screaming? All those landlords who would suddenly be underwater on their BTL loans. Doesn't bear thinking about. However, I suspect until such distorting payments are abolished then we will never get of the structural deficit and the SE will continue to attract more people than it can properly cope with.

    That said what I would rather like to see in the next couple of years is a government scheme to encourage elderly people to move out of large family houses in the SE into smaller, but not small, houses in the North, places like Hexham. Need not be too expensive, zero stamp duty, a government grant towards moving costs, that sort of thing. Trivial amounts of money in the great scheme of things but perhaps of useful benefit for North, South and me.


    Move elderly people away from their families and the area they've known all their life?

    Can't see a great number taking that up.

    You might be surprised., Mr. Hopkins.

    At present in the SE the figures for downsizing just don't work and actually there are a lot of people who would very much like to downsize and whose children and families are spread all over the globe let alone the UK. So I think you might be surprised about how little attachment to place there is amongst the elderly in the SE.

    Add into that the massive housebuilding that is going on in the SE without the concomitant investment in infrastructure (transport and health particularly) and it is not difficult to see how for the investment of, in relative terms, a few quid shifting the oldies up North, whilst leaving them with a wodge to pay for health/social care, might e a very attractive option.
    Why should the North have to deal with the South's problems?

    It's not like there's a problem with house prices oop North.

    Civil Wars have started over less.
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    Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    malcolmg said:

    No still in trials and will be with you in a month or two, once they get round the right wing Junta kangaroo court ruling

    Parents in the current trials are now considering court action, since the trials are probably illegal too
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    "he committed the party to pushing the minimum wage up to £8.25 and forcing employers to give it to all adults on the payroll, not just those over 25 - to be funded by tax increases for the highest-earners in society and businesses."

    Huh...so tax businesses more to pay for businesses to pay their employees more. How does that one work then?

    Well if business will not pay their people enough even for a very minimal standard of living and expect the taxpayers to pick up the difference, what can you expect? Some businesses might have a leg to stand on if they were not paying their senior executives very large sums indeed whilst the junior staff cannot afford to keep a roof over their heads on the wages that they are paid.

    In work benefits always strike me as pernicious as they are, in effect a subsidy, from the marginal net taxpayer the larger companies and the very well off. If a company's business model relies on employing people on the minimum legal wage knowing that those wages will be topped up from taxpayers then that company does not deserve to survive.
    Wages are not topped up for employees on the minimum legal wage. If somebody is working 40 hours a week on 7.20 an hour then that is an income of just over £15000 per year. If a couple are doing that then they are on a minimum wage of over £30,000 per year.

    Please show me an automatic subsidy given to all families on more than £30,000 per year.

    Those on benefits are typically getting benefits for children and/or are part timers. If the government wants to pay more for children or people working part time hours then that is not the employers fault. Quite the opposite in fact as an employer it can be a real challenge to get people to agree to work more than 16 hours per week sometimes.
    Housingg benefit, tax credits
    A childless couple earning a family income of £30k pa are automatically entitled to Housing Benefit and Tax Credits are they? Are you sure? How much?
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    nunununu Posts: 6,024
    RobD said:

    nunu said:

    RobD said:

    nunu said:

    Massive double standards, apparently he was a "volunteer" not brown enough to be a terrorist?

    https://www.google.co.uk/amp/www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/36959218?client=ms-android-oneplus

    He was fighting with the good guys, surely?
    The head of the CPS said whoever goes to fight in Syria is breaking the law no matter what side they are fighting on buy we seem to turn a blind eye when it suits us.
    Looks like they would prosecute whoever went, so I'm not sure how we are turning a blind eye

    http://www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/exclusive-brits-who-fight-in-syria-face-life-in-jail-9104171.html

    In any case, I'm not sure many people would view him as a terrorist, despite the fact the law says it's illegal to fight in any foreign conflict.
    No that article was written before white Briton started travelling to fight with the Kurds some have returned without being charged.
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    malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 42,077

    I agree Mr, Mede but can you imagine the screaming? All those landlords who would suddenly be underwater on their BTL loans. Doesn't bear thinking about. However, I suspect until such distorting payments are abolished then we will never get of the structural deficit and the SE will continue to attract more people than it can properly cope with.

    That said what I would rather like to see in the next couple of years is a government scheme to encourage elderly people to move out of large family houses in the SE into smaller, but not small, houses in the North, places like Hexham. Need not be too expensive, zero stamp duty, a government grant towards moving costs, that sort of thing. Trivial amounts of money in the great scheme of things but perhaps of useful benefit for North, South and me.


    Move elderly people away from their families and the area they've known all their life?

    Can't see a great number taking that up.

    You might be surprised., Mr. Hopkins.

    At present in the SE the figures for downsizing just don't work and actually there are a lot of people who would very much like to downsize and whose children and families are spread all over the globe let alone the UK. So I think you might be surprised about how little attachment to place there is amongst the elderly in the SE.

    Add into that the massive housebuilding that is going on in the SE without the concomitant investment in infrastructure (transport and health particularly) and it is not difficult to see how for the investment of, in relative terms, a few quid shifting the oldies up North, whilst leaving them with a wodge to pay for health/social care, might e a very attractive option.
    Hurst, move to God's country you will get a nice mansion and plenty change for sure
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    HurstLlamaHurstLlama Posts: 9,098

    I agree Mr, Mede but can you imagine the screaming? All those landlords who would suddenly be underwater on their BTL loans. Doesn't bear thinking about. However, I suspect until such distorting payments are abolished then we will never get of the structural deficit and the SE will continue to attract more people than it can properly cope with.

    That said what I would rather like to see in the next couple of years is a government scheme to encourage elderly people to move out of large family houses in the SE into smaller, but not small, houses in the North, places like Hexham. Need not be too expensive, zero stamp duty, a government grant towards moving costs, that sort of thing. Trivial amounts of money in the great scheme of things but perhaps of useful benefit for North, South and me.


    Move elderly people away from their families and the area they've known all their life?

    Can't see a great number taking that up.

    You might be surprised., Mr. Hopkins.

    At present in the SE the figures for downsizing just don't work and actually there are a lot of people who would very much like to downsize and whose children and families are spread all over the globe let alone the UK. So I think you might be surprised about how little attachment to place there is amongst the elderly in the SE.

    Add into that the massive housebuilding that is going on in the SE without the concomitant investment in infrastructure (transport and health particularly) and it is not difficult to see how for the investment of, in relative terms, a few quid shifting the oldies up North, whilst leaving them with a wodge to pay for health/social care, might e a very attractive option.
    Why should the North have to deal with the South's problems?

    It's not like there's a problem with house prices oop North.

    Civil Wars have started over less.
    An influx of people who are cash and time rich, in need of services but able to pay for them you think that is a bad idea. Weird folk in Sheffield. I suppose that is why it has been for many years been referred to as the People's Republic of South Yorkshire and has been a shit place and had shit services to match.
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    HurstLlama I've just entered into the government's tax credit calculator 15000 each for two people with no kids and funnily enough Tax Credits available was £0. So couples working full time in minimum wage are not entitled to Tax Credits.

    Again if the government wants to give benefits to part timers or parents that's not a businesses responsibility. Unless you think perhaps we should have one minimum wage for childless people and a higher minimum wage if you employ a parent.
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    malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 42,077
    edited August 2016
    Scott_P said:

    malcolmg said:

    No still in trials and will be with you in a month or two, once they get round the right wing Junta kangaroo court ruling

    Parents in the current trials are now considering court action, since the trials are probably illegal too
    Yes can imagine there will be a few Tories involved. Nice to see reported in papers that the cretins that brought the last case are being investigated for misuse of charity funds.
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    JackWJackW Posts: 14,787
    Speedy said:

    She is qualified by the constitution, she would be 35 years old by election day.
    She would probably beat Hillary by a landslide in that she is:

    A. Trump
    B. Not Donald
    C. A woman
    D. Is a young mother
    E. Liked by media

    Donald Trump would probably gain a pardon from his daughter in case of conviction on his Trump University trial and of course access to the White House.

    You forgot ....

    F. "Sun" endorsement as a former "glamour" girl .... :smiley:
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    DanSmithDanSmith Posts: 1,215
    Trump dropping out is from the same school of wishful thinking that through Corbyn would step down for the good of the party.
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    I agree Mr, Mede but can you imagine the screaming? All those landlords who would suddenly be underwater on their BTL loans. Doesn't bear thinking about. However, I suspect until such distorting payments are abolished then we will never get of the structural deficit and the SE will continue to attract more people than it can properly cope with.

    That said what I would rather like to see in the next couple of years is a government scheme to encourage elderly people to move out of large family houses in the SE into smaller, but not small, houses in the North, places like Hexham. Need not be too expensive, zero stamp duty, a government grant towards moving costs, that sort of thing. Trivial amounts of money in the great scheme of things but perhaps of useful benefit for North, South and me.


    Move elderly people away from their families and the area they've known all their life?

    Can't see a great number taking that up.

    You might be surprised., Mr. Hopkins.

    At present in the SE the figures for downsizing just don't work and actually there are a lot of people who would very much like to downsize and whose children and families are spread all over the globe let alone the UK. So I think you might be surprised about how little attachment to place there is amongst the elderly in the SE.

    Add into that the massive housebuilding that is going on in the SE without the concomitant investment in infrastructure (transport and health particularly) and it is not difficult to see how for the investment of, in relative terms, a few quid shifting the oldies up North, whilst leaving them with a wodge to pay for health/social care, might e a very attractive option.
    Why should the North have to deal with the South's problems?

    It's not like there's a problem with house prices oop North.

    Civil Wars have started over less.
    An influx of people who are cash and time rich, in need of services but able to pay for them you think that is a bad idea. Weird folk in Sheffield. I suppose that is why it has been for many years been referred to as the People's Republic of South Yorkshire and has been a shit place and had shit services to match.
    In my part of Sheffield, we were the second richest constituency in the UK until house prices went OTT (not that I'm complaining, I did very well out of the London house price boom)

    There's a shortage of houses in Sheffield, so explain to me, how encouraging Southern Jessies, who water their alcohol to move to Sheffield will help Sheffielders, especially those who want to join the housing ladder?
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    malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 42,077
    Ruth underemployed, fit her better to try and come up with a policy or two and try to make the Tories anything other than a joke.
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    HurstLlamaHurstLlama Posts: 9,098

    HurstLlama I've just entered into the government's tax credit calculator 15000 each for two people with no kids and funnily enough Tax Credits available was £0. So couples working full time in minimum wage are not entitled to Tax Credits.

    Again if the government wants to give benefits to part timers or parents that's not a businesses responsibility. Unless you think perhaps we should have one minimum wage for childless people and a higher minimum wage if you employ a parent.

    Tell you what, Mr. Thompson, you come down to this part of the world with a family and see how far you get on £30k. Do that and let me know how you get on.
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    williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 48,146
    Speedy said:

    JackW said:

    Speedy said:

    As I mentioned, this trick could work only if then nomination stays in the Trump family (they can keep all the logos, the policies, Trump voters, but getting rid of Trump's manners), my recommendation would be to give it to Ivanka Trump.

    Wasn't Ivanka Trump born in Kenya? .... :smiley:

    She is qualified by the constitution, she would be 35 years old by election day.
    She would probably beat Hillary by a landslide in that she is:

    A. Trump
    B. Not Donald
    C. A woman
    D. Is a young mother
    E. Liked by media

    Donald Trump would probably gain a pardon from his daughter in case of conviction on his Trump University trial and of course access to the White House.
    Here Ivanka is asked if she would ever run for public office.

    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/08/02/ivanka-trump-says-clearly-disagrees-with-obama-calling-her-father-unfit-to-be-president.html
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    ThreeQuidderThreeQuidder Posts: 6,133

    Scott_P said:

    I have no idea where he got that figure. The official website is showing loads of tickets everyday at £40-60 behind the bowlers arm. Might go myself.

    @hendopolis: .@DJ_CUPPA @bbctms my Lords ticket cost £90 and so did my Oval ticket.

    Apparently it's cheaper "up north"... :)
    So the journo got his facts wrong then...lords is always stupid money but people seem to be willing to pay it in London.

    £40 for a days cricket doesn't seem bad to me. Unfortunately i have meetings tomorrow & Friday, so my concern would be will we get a full day 4.
    I always recall Tests starting on a Thursday (or the rare Friday). Since when was a Wednesday start so common?
    When we moved to back to back tests.

    Is now either Tests starting Thursday and Friday or Wednesday and Thursday
    It's not that, it's since the ICC required three clear days between Tests. We used to have back-to-back Tests Thursday to Monday.
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    notmenotme Posts: 3,293

    HurstLlama I've just entered into the government's tax credit calculator 15000 each for two people with no kids and funnily enough Tax Credits available was £0. So couples working full time in minimum wage are not entitled to Tax Credits.

    Again if the government wants to give benefits to part timers or parents that's not a businesses responsibility. Unless you think perhaps we should have one minimum wage for childless people and a higher minimum wage if you employ a parent.

    Tell you what, Mr. Thompson, you come down to this part of the world with a family and see how far you get on £30k. Do that and let me know how you get on.
    If only one works though and they have three kids, one person earning £15k full time creates £10k of tax credits.
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 92,048
    malcolmg said:

    Ruth underemployed, fit her better to try and come up with a policy or two and try to make the Tories anything other than a joke.
    She got them to second in the Scottish Parliament elections - a distant second, to be sure, but that makes them the best joke in Scotland at least.
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    HurstLlama I've just entered into the government's tax credit calculator 15000 each for two people with no kids and funnily enough Tax Credits available was £0. So couples working full time in minimum wage are not entitled to Tax Credits.

    Again if the government wants to give benefits to part timers or parents that's not a businesses responsibility. Unless you think perhaps we should have one minimum wage for childless people and a higher minimum wage if you employ a parent.

    Tell you what, Mr. Thompson, you come down to this part of the world with a family and see how far you get on £30k. Do that and let me know how you get on.
    It is government's responsibility to set policy for the whole nation not just one part of it. Which is why £30k with no kids gets not a single penny of tax credits. Tell me how much you think is the minimum a business should be paying in any part of the country if that is not high enough.
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    john_zimsjohn_zims Posts: 3,399
    @TheScreamingEagles

    john_zims">@Speedy

    'She only allowed the terrorists in for free.'

    What else can they say,they know their stuffed ?

    'So come on John, list all the the terrorist attacks in Germany carried out by the recently arrived immigrants of Frau Merkel's policy.'


    What difference does it make if the terrorists arrived last week or last year when innocent people are massacred ?

    Two of the incidents last month, the Afghan axe man & the guy who blew himself up in the beer garden were both refugees that arrived in Germany during Merkel's administration.
    .

    Are you claiming there are not thousands of ISIS terrorists now in Europe due to Merkel's open door policy ?
    The security forces must have got it badly wrong.
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    notme said:

    HurstLlama I've just entered into the government's tax credit calculator 15000 each for two people with no kids and funnily enough Tax Credits available was £0. So couples working full time in minimum wage are not entitled to Tax Credits.

    Again if the government wants to give benefits to part timers or parents that's not a businesses responsibility. Unless you think perhaps we should have one minimum wage for childless people and a higher minimum wage if you employ a parent.

    Tell you what, Mr. Thompson, you come down to this part of the world with a family and see how far you get on £30k. Do that and let me know how you get on.
    If only one works though and they have three kids, one person earning £15k full time creates £10k of tax credits.
    Is it the business that created the kids?
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    SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100

    Speedy said:

    JackW said:

    Speedy said:

    As I mentioned, this trick could work only if then nomination stays in the Trump family (they can keep all the logos, the policies, Trump voters, but getting rid of Trump's manners), my recommendation would be to give it to Ivanka Trump.

    Wasn't Ivanka Trump born in Kenya? .... :smiley:

    She is qualified by the constitution, she would be 35 years old by election day.
    She would probably beat Hillary by a landslide in that she is:

    A. Trump
    B. Not Donald
    C. A woman
    D. Is a young mother
    E. Liked by media

    Donald Trump would probably gain a pardon from his daughter in case of conviction on his Trump University trial and of course access to the White House.
    Here Ivanka is asked if she would ever run for public office.

    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/08/02/ivanka-trump-says-clearly-disagrees-with-obama-calling-her-father-unfit-to-be-president.html
    " The businesswoman said while her father always told her "never to say never" on the possibility of running for elected office one day, she told Van Susteren the possibility of running is "not something I want to be doing." "

    Open doors and windows.
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    john_zims said:

    @TheScreamingEagles

    john_zims">@Speedy

    'She only allowed the terrorists in for free.'

    What else can they say,they know their stuffed ?

    'So come on John, list all the the terrorist attacks in Germany carried out by the recently arrived immigrants of Frau Merkel's policy.'


    What difference does it make if the terrorists arrived last week or last year when innocent people are massacred ?

    Two of the incidents last month, the Afghan axe man & the guy who blew himself up in the beer garden were both refugees that arrived in Germany during Merkel's administration.
    .

    Are you claiming there are not thousands of ISIS terrorists now in Europe due to Merkel's open door policy ?
    The security forces must have got it badly wrong.

    Slow John, learn to use the reply button, your responses are incoherent
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    williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 48,146
    Speedy said:

    Speedy said:

    JackW said:

    Speedy said:

    As I mentioned, this trick could work only if then nomination stays in the Trump family (they can keep all the logos, the policies, Trump voters, but getting rid of Trump's manners), my recommendation would be to give it to Ivanka Trump.

    Wasn't Ivanka Trump born in Kenya? .... :smiley:

    She is qualified by the constitution, she would be 35 years old by election day.
    She would probably beat Hillary by a landslide in that she is:

    A. Trump
    B. Not Donald
    C. A woman
    D. Is a young mother
    E. Liked by media

    Donald Trump would probably gain a pardon from his daughter in case of conviction on his Trump University trial and of course access to the White House.
    Here Ivanka is asked if she would ever run for public office.

    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/08/02/ivanka-trump-says-clearly-disagrees-with-obama-calling-her-father-unfit-to-be-president.html
    " The businesswoman said while her father always told her "never to say never" on the possibility of running for elected office one day, she told Van Susteren the possibility of running is "not something I want to be doing." "

    Open doors and windows.
    She's a class act and is as adept at striking the right tone as her father is at doing the opposite. It's an intriguing thought.
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    MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 50,144


    A colleague suggested it, I do enjoy my visits to the South West of England.

    Not sure how long you are down for, but if you are still around, the British Fireworks Championships in Plymouth on 16th-17th Aug are worth catching....
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    Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,008
    Don't be grumpy, everyone.

    It's only about four weeks until Explorations, the sci-fi anthology in which I have a short story, is released.

    [For those who're into Chinese classics, there are one or two little bits inspired by that sort of thing].
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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,584
    edited August 2016


    A colleague suggested it, I do enjoy my visits to the South West of England.

    Not sure how long you are down for, but if you are still around, the British Fireworks Championships in Plymouth on 16th-17th Aug are worth catching....
    Arriving this Friday and leaving the following Friday, sadly, I likes fireworks.

    I'd like to make it Lewes for bonfire night one year
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    SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    The conversation that Trump needs to have right now:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JkChfgx51GY
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    not_on_firenot_on_fire Posts: 4,341
    Speedy said:

    JackW said:

    Speedy said:

    As I mentioned, this trick could work only if then nomination stays in the Trump family (they can keep all the logos, the policies, Trump voters, but getting rid of Trump's manners), my recommendation would be to give it to Ivanka Trump.

    Wasn't Ivanka Trump born in Kenya? .... :smiley:

    She is qualified by the constitution, she would be 35 years old by election day.
    She would probably beat Hillary by a landslide in that she is:

    A. Trump
    B. Not Donald
    C. A woman
    D. Is a young mother
    E. Liked by media

    Donald Trump would probably gain a pardon from his daughter in case of conviction on his Trump University trial and of course access to the White House.
    Ivanka cannot be president. She is only 34 and the consitution requires that the President is aged at least 45
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    MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 50,144


    A colleague suggested it, I do enjoy my visits to the South West of England.

    Not sure how long you are down for, but if you are still around, the British Fireworks Championships in Plymouth on 16th-17th Aug are worth catching....
    Arriving this Friday and leaving the following Friday, sadly, I likes fireworks.

    I'd like to make it Lewes for bonfire night one year
    Shame - it's one of the fixtures in the diary down here.
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    JackWJackW Posts: 14,787
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    Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,008
    Mr. Fire, that's insane. It'd rule out Pitt.

    For that matter, both Jesus and Alexander would've died before becoming eligible [on age grounds, obviously neither were US citizens :p ].

    Hannibal was in his thirties when he invaded Italy.

    The Black Prince was 29 years too young when he gave the French a thrashing at Crecy.
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    Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    Lots of chatter about Arron Banks contemplating new party.

    NUKIP
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    williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 48,146

    Speedy said:

    JackW said:

    Speedy said:

    As I mentioned, this trick could work only if then nomination stays in the Trump family (they can keep all the logos, the policies, Trump voters, but getting rid of Trump's manners), my recommendation would be to give it to Ivanka Trump.

    Wasn't Ivanka Trump born in Kenya? .... :smiley:

    She is qualified by the constitution, she would be 35 years old by election day.
    She would probably beat Hillary by a landslide in that she is:

    A. Trump
    B. Not Donald
    C. A woman
    D. Is a young mother
    E. Liked by media

    Donald Trump would probably gain a pardon from his daughter in case of conviction on his Trump University trial and of course access to the White House.
    Ivanka cannot be president. She is only 34 and the consitution requires that the President is aged at least 45
    "No Person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of 35 Years, and been 14 Years a Resident within the United States."
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    john_zimsjohn_zims Posts: 3,399
    @TheScreamingEagles


    'Slow John, learn to use the reply button, your responses are incoherent'

    I can understand your reply after the absurd point you were trying to make.
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    SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    edited August 2016

    Speedy said:

    JackW said:

    Speedy said:

    As I mentioned, this trick could work only if then nomination stays in the Trump family (they can keep all the logos, the policies, Trump voters, but getting rid of Trump's manners), my recommendation would be to give it to Ivanka Trump.

    Wasn't Ivanka Trump born in Kenya? .... :smiley:

    She is qualified by the constitution, she would be 35 years old by election day.
    She would probably beat Hillary by a landslide in that she is:

    A. Trump
    B. Not Donald
    C. A woman
    D. Is a young mother
    E. Liked by media

    Donald Trump would probably gain a pardon from his daughter in case of conviction on his Trump University trial and of course access to the White House.
    Ivanka cannot be president. She is only 34 and the consitution requires that the President is aged at least 45
    35, not 45.

    She will be 35 on October 30th, the election is on November 8th.

    It's very historically convenient if she becomes the GOP nominee in the place of her father, just in the nick of time, if she was born 10 days later she would have been ineligible.
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    JackWJackW Posts: 14,787

    Ivanka cannot be president. She is only 34 and the consitution requires that the President is aged at least 45

    Incorrect. 35 is the POTUS age qualification. Ivanka would qualify.
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    not_on_firenot_on_fire Posts: 4,341
    edited August 2016

    Speedy said:

    JackW said:

    Speedy said:

    As I mentioned, this trick could work only if then nomination stays in the Trump family (they can keep all the logos, the policies, Trump voters, but getting rid of Trump's manners), my recommendation would be to give it to Ivanka Trump.

    Wasn't Ivanka Trump born in Kenya? .... :smiley:

    She is qualified by the constitution, she would be 35 years old by election day.
    She would probably beat Hillary by a landslide in that she is:

    A. Trump
    B. Not Donald
    C. A woman
    D. Is a young mother
    E. Liked by media

    Donald Trump would probably gain a pardon from his daughter in case of conviction on his Trump University trial and of course access to the White House.
    Ivanka cannot be president. She is only 34 and the consitution requires that the President is aged at least 45
    "No Person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of 35 Years, and been 14 Years a Resident within the United States."
    Ah, I stand corrected. Her 35th birthday is on 30 October so she just makes it!

    A min age of 35 must still have been a relatively high barrier in 1788 given lower life expectancy. Probably equivalent to about 50 today.

    Also, presumably George Washington was spared the 14 year rule?
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    williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 48,146
    Speedy said:

    Speedy said:

    JackW said:

    Speedy said:

    As I mentioned, this trick could work only if then nomination stays in the Trump family (they can keep all the logos, the policies, Trump voters, but getting rid of Trump's manners), my recommendation would be to give it to Ivanka Trump.

    Wasn't Ivanka Trump born in Kenya? .... :smiley:

    She is qualified by the constitution, she would be 35 years old by election day.
    She would probably beat Hillary by a landslide in that she is:

    A. Trump
    B. Not Donald
    C. A woman
    D. Is a young mother
    E. Liked by media

    Donald Trump would probably gain a pardon from his daughter in case of conviction on his Trump University trial and of course access to the White House.
    Ivanka cannot be president. She is only 34 and the consitution requires that the President is aged at least 45
    35, not 45.

    She will be 35 on October 30th, the election is on November 8th.

    It's very historically convenient if she becomes the GOP nominee in the place of her father, just in the nick of time.
    Someone registered draftivanka.com last October. That's forward planning!
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    John_MJohn_M Posts: 7,503

    Speedy said:

    JackW said:

    Speedy said:

    As I mentioned, this trick could work only if then nomination stays in the Trump family (they can keep all the logos, the policies, Trump voters, but getting rid of Trump's manners), my recommendation would be to give it to Ivanka Trump.

    Wasn't Ivanka Trump born in Kenya? .... :smiley:

    She is qualified by the constitution, she would be 35 years old by election day.
    She would probably beat Hillary by a landslide in that she is:

    A. Trump
    B. Not Donald
    C. A woman
    D. Is a young mother
    E. Liked by media

    Donald Trump would probably gain a pardon from his daughter in case of conviction on his Trump University trial and of course access to the White House.
    Ivanka cannot be president. She is only 34 and the consitution requires that the President is aged at least 45
    "No Person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of 35 Years, and been 14 Years a Resident within the United States."
    Ah, I stand corrected. Her 35th birthday is on 30 October so she just makes it!

    A min age of 35 must still have been a relatively high barrier in 1776 given lower life expectancy. Probably equivalent to about 50 today.
    Pre-industrial life expectancy was heavily skewed by high child mortality.
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    Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,008
    Mr. M, and those at the upper end of society had better life expectancy.

    That said, it's still relatively higher than it would be today.
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    SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100

    Speedy said:

    Speedy said:

    JackW said:

    Speedy said:

    As I mentioned, this trick could work only if then nomination stays in the Trump family (they can keep all the logos, the policies, Trump voters, but getting rid of Trump's manners), my recommendation would be to give it to Ivanka Trump.

    Wasn't Ivanka Trump born in Kenya? .... :smiley:

    She is qualified by the constitution, she would be 35 years old by election day.
    She would probably beat Hillary by a landslide in that she is:

    A. Trump
    B. Not Donald
    C. A woman
    D. Is a young mother
    E. Liked by media

    Donald Trump would probably gain a pardon from his daughter in case of conviction on his Trump University trial and of course access to the White House.
    Ivanka cannot be president. She is only 34 and the consitution requires that the President is aged at least 45
    35, not 45.

    She will be 35 on October 30th, the election is on November 8th.

    It's very historically convenient if she becomes the GOP nominee in the place of her father, just in the nick of time.
    Someone registered draftivanka.com last October. That's forward planning!
    True, but Donald Trump would have to make that decision (just like Nixon in 1974) in these few days.
    Or else it will be too late to save what can be saved of his reputation, his freedom and his influence.
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    ThreeQuidderThreeQuidder Posts: 6,133
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/opinion/2016/08/03/brexit-britain-needs-ukip-to-get-its-act-together/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

    Contrary to appearances, the process of selecting a new leader for the UK Independence Party is not a joke

    Ok then.
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