With UKIP there isn't the "OMG but the brand is so valuable" objection to starting a new party - rather the reverse.
"Brexit" would be a snappy enough name for a political party.
A split in UKIP would add to May's joys immensely.
Lib Dems beware, lest Theresa May's Sauronic eye fall upon thee, to your enduring and utter woe.
A LD split into factions would be...an achievement!
Even the remaining LDs are not a unified force - several LD members on here voted for Leave, for instance.
I understand that several Conservative and several Labour members also voted in different ways in the referendum. By your definition no party is a unified force.
Er, yes, obviously. I was making the point that just because the LDs are small does not mean they cannot split, or that it would be difficult to split into its factions. Even small parties are coalitions of opinions, therefore potentially open to split.
Probably only UKIP and the LibDems have a totally united Parliamentary Party.
Even UKIP regularly gets Parliamentary rebellions.
"The UK economy is contracting at its fastest rate since the financial crisis, making an interest rate cut "a foregone conclusion", according to financial data company Markit." http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-36962059
Both Labour and Ukip have a pretty shoddy approach to democratically electing their leaders
Labour Centrists trying to keep Corbyn off the ballot, and kippers of both sides making the rules up as they go along with regard to Suzanne Evans and Steven Woolfe
May an even luckier leader than Cameron in terms of oppo? Probably the right person to steady the shipping Brexit vote
With UKIP there isn't the "OMG but the brand is so valuable" objection to starting a new party - rather the reverse.
"Brexit" would be a snappy enough name for a political party.
A split in UKIP would add to May's joys immensely.
Lib Dems beware, lest Theresa May's Sauronic eye fall upon thee, to your enduring and utter woe.
A LD split into factions would be...an achievement!
Even the remaining LDs are not a unified force - several LD members on here voted for Leave, for instance.
I understand that several Conservative and several Labour members also voted in different ways in the referendum. By your definition no party is a unified force.
Er, yes, obviously. I was making the point that just because the LDs are small does not mean they cannot split, or that it would be difficult to split into its factions. Even small parties are coalitions of opinions, therefore potentially open to split.
Probably only UKIP and the LibDems have a totally united Parliamentary Party.
Even UKIP regularly gets Parliamentary rebellions.
The story of the Labour Police Commissioner candidate who had to stand down because of a teenage conviction reminded me of Simon Weston. In Wales we were denied the chance to vote for that courageous man in a Police Commissioner election because he had a minor conviction 35 years earlier. It struck me at the time that if ever there was an individual who was entitled to say that he had lived down the indiscretion of youth it was he. But he was barred. I am surprised that the Act has not been amended since.
With UKIP there isn't the "OMG but the brand is so valuable" objection to starting a new party - rather the reverse.
"Brexit" would be a snappy enough name for a political party.
A split in UKIP would add to May's joys immensely.
Lib Dems beware, lest Theresa May's Sauronic eye fall upon thee, to your enduring and utter woe.
A LD split into factions would be...an achievement!
Even the remaining LDs are not a unified force - several LD members on here voted for Leave, for instance.
I understand that several Conservative and several Labour members also voted in different ways in the referendum. By your definition no party is a unified force.
Er, yes, obviously. I was making the point that just because the LDs are small does not mean they cannot split, or that it would be difficult to split into its factions. Even small parties are coalitions of opinions, therefore potentially open to split.
Probably only UKIP and the LibDems have a totally united Parliamentary Party.
Even UKIP regularly gets Parliamentary rebellions.
Carswell argues with himself?
There’s more than one House in Parliament.
Ah yes, they have 3 Lords, more than enough to have a split.
If he had got his papers in an hour earlier, none of this would have happened.
The NEC had no choice but the follow the rules. No choice at all.
I am looking forward to the police investigation into his admitted breach of Electoral law. And, of course, the investigation by the Bar Council. Not good for a barrister to have broken such an important law.
If he had got his papers in an hour earlier, none of this would have happened.
The NEC had no choice but the follow the rules. No choice at all.
I am looking forward to the police investigation into his admitted breach of Electoral law. And, of course, the investigation by the Bar Council. Not good for a barrister to have broken such an important law.
I also hope he didn't forget to tell his insurance company about his conviction.
If he had got his papers in an hour earlier, none of this would have happened.
The NEC had no choice but the follow the rules. No choice at all.
I am looking forward to the police investigation into his admitted breach of Electoral law. And, of course, the investigation by the Bar Council. Not good for a barrister to have broken such an important law.
I also hope he didn't forget to tell his insurance company about his conviction.
If he had got his papers in an hour earlier, none of this would have happened.
The NEC had no choice but the follow the rules. No choice at all.
I am looking forward to the police investigation into his admitted breach of Electoral law. And, of course, the investigation by the Bar Council. Not good for a barrister to have broken such an important law.
It's hard to disagree. Filing one's application on time is hardly rocket science.
All you need to do is submit it in person (and get a receipt) or by recorded delivery.
If he had got his papers in an hour earlier, none of this would have happened.
The NEC had no choice but the follow the rules. No choice at all.
I am looking forward to the police investigation into his admitted breach of Electoral law. And, of course, the investigation by the Bar Council. Not good for a barrister to have broken such an important law.
I also hope he didn't forget to tell his insurance company about his conviction.
One has to shake ones head in disbelief in what the opposition parties are up to. It has to be absolutely the worst state of affairs EVER in terms of the mess they are all in..
Another insult to the Queen, naming it after someone who told the monarch to know their place (and was executed for their principles)
Wasn't that Thomas More?
Ooops you're right, I'm displaying Morris Dancer levels of historical ignorance at the moment.
Can I blame jet lag?
Jet lag? Weren't you going now on a staycation? Eire at best/worst?
I flew to New York on Thursday then was planning to go to Florida.
Decided to come back to Blighty because of Zika in Florida, now going to Cornwall for a few days.
TSE.. do you have a bun in the oven?
Go stay at the Tresanton in St Mawes. Wonderful village, great hotel with great food. Lots of day trips to do, including many of those amazing Cornish gardens. And, of course, you can ask the locals the way to Feock.
One has to shake ones head in disbelief in what the opposition parties are up to. It has to be absolutely the worst state of affairs EVER in terms of the mess they are all in..
Nah. Twas worse in 1918 and 1931. Not by all that much, mind.
One has to shake ones head in disbelief in what the opposition parties are up to. It has to be absolutely the worst state of affairs EVER in terms of the mess they are all in..
It's the political satirists I feel sorry for. How in God's name do they compete with this?
One has to shake ones head in disbelief in what the opposition parties are up to. It has to be absolutely the worst state of affairs EVER in terms of the mess they are all in..
Nah. Twas worse in 1918 and 1931. Not by all that much, mind.
This is worse because it is being played out in the era of 24 hour news coverage and an entire battalion of 'political experts' passing comment on the smallest of details.
Having it play out in the print media of the first half of the 20th Century gave everyone a bit more time to breathe...
One has to shake ones head in disbelief in what the opposition parties are up to. It has to be absolutely the worst state of affairs EVER in terms of the mess they are all in..
Nah. Twas worse in 1918 and 1931. Not by all that much, mind.
This is worse because it is being played out in the era of 24 hour news coverage and an entire battalion of 'political experts' passing comment on the smallest of details.
Having it play out in the print media of the first half of the 20th Century gave everyone a bit more time to breathe...
That's what I was going to say, or words of the same gist.
Isn't it amazing that against the disaster that is Donald Trump, Hillary is mustering a meagre 43% ...
Isn't it amazing that against the disaster that is Jeremy Corbyn, Theresa is mustering a meagre ....
Some GOP voters would vote for the elephant in the room with a red rosette as their POTUS candidate and the same is true of the donkey Clinton. The difference being voters seem more inclined to the ass than Donald and his big trunk.
Shouldn't bookmakers be compelled to offer the other side of bets? Would it be a good rule of thumb as a punter NEVER to bet on things where bookmakers only offer one side as they are probably mug bets?
Another insult to the Queen, naming it after someone who told the monarch to know their place (and was executed for their principles)
Wasn't that Thomas More?
Ooops you're right, I'm displaying Morris Dancer levels of historical ignorance at the moment.
Can I blame jet lag?
Jet lag? Weren't you going now on a staycation? Eire at best/worst?
I flew to New York on Thursday then was planning to go to Florida.
Decided to come back to Blighty because of Zika in Florida, now going to Cornwall for a few days.
Which part of our fine country are you visiting? The weather has adopted its customary tourist-hating August mizzle, though it's just started to clear up in the far west in the last couple of hours and looks good next week.
What time of day. I know that in that part of the world the biggies tend to take off in the wee hours of the morning for the heavier air.
12:45 local, 08:45GMT. Horrible weather today, seriously hot and humid. Pressure was 988mb and temp 49C. Rumour is that there was a wind shear and he tried to go around but fell into the hole in the air. Very unfortunate, and reminiscent of the BA crash in a similar 777 at LHR a few years back, although it for different reasons. Those Boeings are very well built indeed.
Another insult to the Queen, naming it after someone who told the monarch to know their place (and was executed for their principles)
Wasn't that Thomas More?
Ooops you're right, I'm displaying Morris Dancer levels of historical ignorance at the moment.
Can I blame jet lag?
Jet lag? Weren't you going now on a staycation? Eire at best/worst?
I flew to New York on Thursday then was planning to go to Florida.
Decided to come back to Blighty because of Zika in Florida, now going to Cornwall for a few days.
Which part of our fine country are you visiting? The weather has adopted its customary tourist-hating August mizzle, though it's just started to clear up in the far west in the last couple of hours and looks good next week.
Trump starting to tick back up again and Clinton on the way down.
It's very interesting that in the periods where Trump's numbers go down, the number of people who refuse to answer goes up. Maybe the shy Trump phenomenon just oscillates based on the embarrassment factor at any given moment.
Another insult to the Queen, naming it after someone who told the monarch to know their place (and was executed for their principles)
Wasn't that Thomas More?
Ooops you're right, I'm displaying Morris Dancer levels of historical ignorance at the moment.
Can I blame jet lag?
Jet lag? Weren't you going now on a staycation? Eire at best/worst?
I flew to New York on Thursday then was planning to go to Florida.
Decided to come back to Blighty because of Zika in Florida, now going to Cornwall for a few days.
Which part of our fine country are you visiting? The weather has adopted its customary tourist-hating August mizzle, though it's just started to clear up in the far west in the last couple of hours and looks good next week.
Newquay way.
I just hope o2's coverage map is accurate
Newquay in August? You're a braver man than me. Other than on beaches and right in the middle of the moors, mobile coverage is actually surprisingly good throughout Cornwall - substantially better than the Reading to Plymouth stretch of the mainline from Paddington. It's almost like the county benefited from infrastructure investment from being in some kind of international politico-economic Union.
Is it just me or is the latest Halifax advert a bit odd...they openly seen providing a mortgage to an individual with no legitimate source of income & of dubious character who is in regular scrapes with the law...I thought post crash the banks were being much stricter with who the lend to!
Downing Street is named after George Downing, who was an MP in Cromwell's parliaments though (and turned in former comrades to safe his skin, I'd heard)
Another insult to the Queen, naming it after someone who told the monarch to know their place (and was executed for their principles)
I’m sure HMQ would be tickled pink, as it happened under the house of Stuart.
I thought Henry VIII was of The House of Tudor
Edit: You're talking about Charles I
Indeed. - As a foot note, this battle of the Downing St cats really is silly season stuff.
I know, it's great - I think most are getting political fatigue from all the regular nonsense, or perhaps political gout from this rich and fatty buffet we have been getting.
Imagine if John McCain was the GOP nominee in 2000, would he have become POTUS, defeating Al Gore?
Yes.
McCain's double misfortune was Bush winning on 2000 largely on the basis of Gore detaching himself from Bill Clinton and then in 08 coming up against the brilliant campaigner in Obama and the financial crisis.
Another insult to the Queen, naming it after someone who told the monarch to know their place (and was executed for their principles)
Wasn't that Thomas More?
Ooops you're right, I'm displaying Morris Dancer levels of historical ignorance at the moment.
Can I blame jet lag?
Jet lag? Weren't you going now on a staycation? Eire at best/worst?
I flew to New York on Thursday then was planning to go to Florida.
Decided to come back to Blighty because of Zika in Florida, now going to Cornwall for a few days.
Which part of our fine country are you visiting? The weather has adopted its customary tourist-hating August mizzle, though it's just started to clear up in the far west in the last couple of hours and looks good next week.
Newquay way.
I just hope o2's coverage map is accurate
Newquay in August? You're a braver man than me. Other than on beaches and right in the middle of the moors, mobile coverage is actually surprisingly good throughout Cornwall - substantially better than the Reading to Plymouth stretch of the mainline from Paddington. It's almost like the county benefited from infrastructure investment from being in some kind of international politico-economic Union.
A colleague suggested it, I do enjoy my visits to the South West of England.
Imagine if John McCain was the GOP nominee in 2000, would he have become POTUS, defeating Al Gore?
Yes.
McCain's double misfortune was Bush winning on 2000 largely on the basis of Gore detaching himself from Bill Clinton and then in 08 coming up against the brilliant campaigner in Obama and the financial crisis.
"he committed the party to pushing the minimum wage up to £8.25 and forcing employers to give it to all adults on the payroll, not just those over 25 - to be funded by tax increases for the highest-earners in society and businesses."
Huh...so tax businesses more to pay for businesses to pay their employees more. How does that one work then?
I thought it was caused by a landing gear not being fully deployed? Or perhaps those were unsubstantiated claims.
Looks like he tried to go around, raised the gear but didn't have enough power to climb away in the wind shear. ATC tape confirms the attempted go around, but there was an early rumour he was on approach with the gear up by mistake. Also rumours of a fire on board beforehand, which I think are just rumours. What it definitely wasn't was a landing gear failure identified in the air, as they would have flown around in circles for a bit in that case, to try and fix the problem, which didn't happen (the flying around bit). Pilots' forum link with discussion of 200 comments and rising quickly. http://www.pprune.org/rumours-news/582445-emirates-b777-gear-collapse-dxb.html
"he committed the party to pushing the minimum wage up to £8.25 and forcing employers to give it to all adults on the payroll, not just those over 25 - to be funded by tax increases for the highest-earners in society and businesses."
Huh...so tax businesses more to pay for businesses to pay their employees more. How does that one work then?
For the benefit of Mr Eagles, I'd recommend Carbis Bay, just up from St Ives. Not as mad as St Ives itself and a very pleasant little cove with a good beach.
On the John McCain issue, he couldn't win the 2000 GOP nomination. That was his problem and his tragedy. Bush won that and while he wouldn't have got close to Clinton (either of them) he had the benefit of coming in after eight years of a Democrat White House against an incumbent VP.
He wasn't as good as George HW Bush but he was better than Dukakis though only just.
McCain faced the same problem in 2008 trying to defend eight years of a Republican White House in the midst of a financial crisis and against a class opponent. He never stood a chance.
The very fact HRC is ahead shows the desperate quality of the GOP candidate - again, we see a few on here desperately talking up Trump. Is it because the candidate of "the Right" must always be supported however dire they are ?
"he committed the party to pushing the minimum wage up to £8.25 and forcing employers to give it to all adults on the payroll, not just those over 25 - to be funded by tax increases for the highest-earners in society and businesses."
Huh...so tax businesses more to pay for businesses to pay their employees more. How does that one work then?
Also perhaps he might like to consult some of his colleagues who actually introduced the minimum wage with a lower rate for the under 25s before he tries to argue that its existence amounts to 'discrimination' against those who receive it.
Imagine if John McCain was the GOP nominee in 2000, would he have become POTUS, defeating Al Gore?
Yes.
McCain's double misfortune was Bush winning on 2000 largely on the basis of Gore detaching himself from Bill Clinton and then in 08 coming up against the brilliant campaigner in Obama and the financial crisis.
"he committed the party to pushing the minimum wage up to £8.25 and forcing employers to give it to all adults on the payroll, not just those over 25 - to be funded by tax increases for the highest-earners in society and businesses."
Huh...so tax businesses more to pay for businesses to pay their employees more. How does that one work then?
Well if Owen Smith does manage to win the leadership and then somehow wins power in the 2020 GE, is he actually going to reduce the living wage of £9 per hour, already scheduled by the Conservatives, down to £8.25?
Another insult to the Queen, naming it after someone who told the monarch to know their place (and was executed for their principles)
Wasn't that Thomas More?
Ooops you're right, I'm displaying Morris Dancer levels of historical ignorance at the moment.
Can I blame jet lag?
Jet lag? Weren't you going now on a staycation? Eire at best/worst?
I flew to New York on Thursday then was planning to go to Florida.
Decided to come back to Blighty because of Zika in Florida, now going to Cornwall for a few days.
Which part of our fine country are you visiting? The weather has adopted its customary tourist-hating August mizzle, though it's just started to clear up in the far west in the last couple of hours and looks good next week.
Newquay way.
I just hope o2's coverage map is accurate
Newquay in August? You're a braver man than me. Other than on beaches and right in the middle of the moors, mobile coverage is actually surprisingly good throughout Cornwall - substantially better than the Reading to Plymouth stretch of the mainline from Paddington. It's almost like the county benefited from infrastructure investment from being in some kind of international politico-economic Union.
A colleague suggested it, I do enjoy my visits to the South West of England.
I hope you have a good time - if you make it down to Penzance/Land's End and want some suggestions on less well-known places to visit/eat, do let me know. It's worth the drive to Marazion for Ben's Kitchen alone, and that's before you get started on the best beaches in the world™ around Porthcurno.
"he committed the party to pushing the minimum wage up to £8.25 and forcing employers to give it to all adults on the payroll, not just those over 25 - to be funded by tax increases for the highest-earners in society and businesses."
Huh...so tax businesses more to pay for businesses to pay their employees more. How does that one work then?
It's a trick to get unemployment back up to 3m and more.
"he committed the party to pushing the minimum wage up to £8.25 and forcing employers to give it to all adults on the payroll, not just those over 25 - to be funded by tax increases for the highest-earners in society and businesses."
Huh...so tax businesses more to pay for businesses to pay their employees more. How does that one work then?
Well if business will not pay their people enough even for a very minimal standard of living and expect the taxpayers to pick up the difference, what can you expect? Some businesses might have a leg to stand on if they were not paying their senior executives very large sums indeed whilst the junior staff cannot afford to keep a roof over their heads on the wages that they are paid.
In work benefits always strike me as pernicious as they are, in effect a subsidy, from the marginal net taxpayer the larger companies and the very well off. If a company's business model relies on employing people on the minimum legal wage knowing that those wages will be topped up from taxpayers then that company does not deserve to survive.
Is this the cue for rightwing kippers to (re)join the Conservative party?
Not sure why they'd do that.
Entryism.
That's my biggest fear for the Tory party.
They've seen how they can change the Labour party, they might try and topple Theresa May and replace her with the ghastly Andrea Leadsom
The only mechanism to topple May lies with the MPs. Entryism is pretty difficult to pull off in the Conservative party, we have decent rules
I know, but I'm worried about the next Tory leadership contest, which, if we're lucky wont happen until 2025 ish but our decent rules didn't stop IDS becoming leader
To be fair, Leadsom will either have proved herself (9 years in the Cabinet) or have faded from view by then, so I don't think you need to be worried about her.
"he committed the party to pushing the minimum wage up to £8.25 and forcing employers to give it to all adults on the payroll, not just those over 25 - to be funded by tax increases for the highest-earners in society and businesses."
Huh...so tax businesses more to pay for businesses to pay their employees more. How does that one work then?
Well if Owen Smith does manage to win the leadership and then somehow wins power in the 2020 GE, is he actually going to reduce the living wage of £9 per hour, already scheduled by the Conservatives, down to £8.25?
Can't see that attracting many voters.
Apparently his new made up freshly out of his backside numbers is "well over £10 " post 2020.
With UKIP there isn't the "OMG but the brand is so valuable" objection to starting a new party - rather the reverse.
"Brexit" would be a snappy enough name for a political party.
A split in UKIP would add to May's joys immensely.
Lib Dems beware, lest Theresa May's Sauronic eye fall upon thee, to your enduring and utter woe.
I does rather look like that, doesn't it. The Tories standing athwart the battlefield, with the wreckage of UKIP, Labour and the LibDems surrounding them. There is only a small band of marauders in one corner of the field left to worry about
"he committed the party to pushing the minimum wage up to £8.25 and forcing employers to give it to all adults on the payroll, not just those over 25 - to be funded by tax increases for the highest-earners in society and businesses."
Huh...so tax businesses more to pay for businesses to pay their employees more. How does that one work then?
It's a trick to get unemployment back up to 3m and more.
Who would employ an 18 year old when you can pick someone in their twenties for the same money? Seems dumb to me.
"he committed the party to pushing the minimum wage up to £8.25 and forcing employers to give it to all adults on the payroll, not just those over 25 - to be funded by tax increases for the highest-earners in society and businesses."
Huh...so tax businesses more to pay for businesses to pay their employees more. How does that one work then?
Well if business will not pay their people enough even for a very minimal standard of living and expect the taxpayers to pick up the difference, what can you expect? Some businesses might have a leg to stand on if they were not paying their senior executives very large sums indeed whilst the junior staff cannot afford to keep a roof over their heads on the wages that they are paid.
In work benefits always strike me as pernicious as they are, in effect a subsidy, from the marginal net taxpayer the larger companies and the very well off. If a company's business model relies on employing people on the minimum legal wage knowing that those wages will be topped up from taxpayers then that company does not deserve to survive.
Agree, but surely increasing taxes on business and then increasing the minimum wage is counterproductive. It would lead to higher unemployment. Especially among young people who will get priced out of the market.
"he committed the party to pushing the minimum wage up to £8.25 and forcing employers to give it to all adults on the payroll, not just those over 25 - to be funded by tax increases for the highest-earners in society and businesses."
Huh...so tax businesses more to pay for businesses to pay their employees more. How does that one work then?
Well if business will not pay their people enough even for a very minimal standard of living and expect the taxpayers to pick up the difference, what can you expect? Some businesses might have a leg to stand on if they were not paying their senior executives very large sums indeed whilst the junior staff cannot afford to keep a roof over their heads on the wages that they are paid.
In work benefits always strike me as pernicious as they are, in effect a subsidy, from the marginal net taxpayer the larger companies and the very well off. If a company's business model relies on employing people on the minimum legal wage knowing that those wages will be topped up from taxpayers then that company does not deserve to survive.
Wages are not topped up for employees on the minimum legal wage. If somebody is working 40 hours a week on 7.20 an hour then that is an income of just over £15000 per year. If a couple are doing that then they are on a minimum wage of over £30,000 per year.
Please show me an automatic subsidy given to all families on more than £30,000 per year.
Those on benefits are typically getting benefits for children and/or are part timers. If the government wants to pay more for children or people working part time hours then that is not the employers fault. Quite the opposite in fact as an employer it can be a real challenge to get people to agree to work more than 16 hours per week sometimes.
I expect Farage will start a new populist anti immigration party which Woolfe will lead and UKIP will be left with Carswell, Neil Hamilton and whichever nonentity they now elect to lead them and wither on the vine
Since the EU is no longer an issue they should just concentrate on being British ...
Sounds like you want them to be rather nationalist, they should put National in their name too ...
Obviously they are a Party ...
Now what name could they go for ...
When May agrees to continue free movement with controls to get some access to the single market that will be the time for an anti immigration party and the British Nationalists is as good a name as any
Why not just add the word Socialist on the end. British national socialist party. Has a nice ring to it, plus if they are going to try and appeal to traditional Labour voters then saying they are socialist is a must.
They also need to mention Workers. British Workers National Socialist Party.
Workers & National Kipper, English Regions & Socialist party?
With UKIP there isn't the "OMG but the brand is so valuable" objection to starting a new party - rather the reverse.
"Brexit" would be a snappy enough name for a political party.
A split in UKIP would add to May's joys immensely.
Lib Dems beware, lest Theresa May's Sauronic eye fall upon thee, to your enduring and utter woe.
I does rather look like that, doesn't it. The Tories standing athwart the battlefield, with the wreckage of UKIP, Labour and the LibDems surrounding them. There is only a small band of marauders in one corner of the field left to worry about
Based on the recent local election results the Lib Dems are the party to watch. They could yet re-emerge as the only credible party of opposition. Having so few MPs at the moment is a handicap of course.
Imagine if John McCain was the GOP nominee in 2000, would he have become POTUS, defeating Al Gore?
Yes.
McCain's double misfortune was Bush winning on 2000 largely on the basis of Gore detaching himself from Bill Clinton and then in 08 coming up against the brilliant campaigner in Obama and the financial crisis.
I expect Farage will start a new populist anti immigration party which Woolfe will lead and UKIP will be left with Carswell, Neil Hamilton and whichever nonentity they now elect to lead them and wither on the vine
Since the EU is no longer an issue they should just concentrate on being British ...
Sounds like you want them to be rather nationalist, they should put National in their name too ...
Obviously they are a Party ...
Now what name could they go for ...
When May agrees to continue free movement with controls to get some access to the single market that will be the time for an anti immigration party and the British Nationalists is as good a name as any
Why not just add the word Socialist on the end. British national socialist party. Has a nice ring to it, plus if they are going to try and appeal to traditional Labour voters then saying they are socialist is a must.
They also need to mention Workers. British Workers National Socialist Party.
Workers & National Kipper, English Regions & Socialist party?
"he committed the party to pushing the minimum wage up to £8.25 and forcing employers to give it to all adults on the payroll, not just those over 25 - to be funded by tax increases for the highest-earners in society and businesses."
Huh...so tax businesses more to pay for businesses to pay their employees more. How does that one work then?
Well if business will not pay their people enough even for a very minimal standard of living and expect the taxpayers to pick up the difference, what can you expect? Some businesses might have a leg to stand on if they were not paying their senior executives very large sums indeed whilst the junior staff cannot afford to keep a roof over their heads on the wages that they are paid.
In work benefits always strike me as pernicious as they are, in effect a subsidy, from the marginal net taxpayer the larger companies and the very well off. If a company's business model relies on employing people on the minimum legal wage knowing that those wages will be topped up from taxpayers then that company does not deserve to survive.
Wages are not topped up for employees on the minimum legal wage. If somebody is working 40 hours a week on 7.20 an hour then that is an income of just over £15000 per year. If a couple are doing that then they are on a minimum wage of over £30,000 per year.
Please show me an automatic subsidy given to all families on more than £30,000 per year.
Those on benefits are typically getting benefits for children and/or are part timers. If the government wants to pay more for children or people working part time hours then that is not the employers fault. Quite the opposite in fact as an employer it can be a real challenge to get people to agree to work more than 16 hours per week sometimes.
Another insult to the Queen, naming it after someone who told the monarch to know their place (and was executed for their principles)
Wasn't that Thomas More?
Ooops you're right, I'm displaying Morris Dancer levels of historical ignorance at the moment.
Can I blame jet lag?
Jet lag? Weren't you going now on a staycation? Eire at best/worst?
I flew to New York on Thursday then was planning to go to Florida.
Decided to come back to Blighty because of Zika in Florida, now going to Cornwall for a few days.
Which part of our fine country are you visiting? The weather has adopted its customary tourist-hating August mizzle, though it's just started to clear up in the far west in the last couple of hours and looks good next week.
Newquay way.
I just hope o2's coverage map is accurate
Newquay in August? You're a braver man than me. Other than on beaches and right in the middle of the moors, mobile coverage is actually surprisingly good throughout Cornwall - substantially better than the Reading to Plymouth stretch of the mainline from Paddington. It's almost like the county benefited from infrastructure investment from being in some kind of international politico-economic Union.
A colleague suggested it, I do enjoy my visits to the South West of England.
You should have come over to Pembrokeshire. Better beaches but less crowded. Mind you, the mobile signal is shit.
"he committed the party to pushing the minimum wage up to £8.25 and forcing employers to give it to all adults on the payroll, not just those over 25 - to be funded by tax increases for the highest-earners in society and businesses."
Huh...so tax businesses more to pay for businesses to pay their employees more. How does that one work then?
Well if business will not pay their people enough even for a very minimal standard of living and expect the taxpayers to pick up the difference, what can you expect? Some businesses might have a leg to stand on if they were not paying their senior executives very large sums indeed whilst the junior staff cannot afford to keep a roof over their heads on the wages that they are paid.
In work benefits always strike me as pernicious as they are, in effect a subsidy, from the marginal net taxpayer the larger companies and the very well off. If a company's business model relies on employing people on the minimum legal wage knowing that those wages will be topped up from taxpayers then that company does not deserve to survive.
Wages are not topped up for employees on the minimum legal wage. If somebody is working 40 hours a week on 7.20 an hour then that is an income of just over £15000 per year. If a couple are doing that then they are on a minimum wage of over £30,000 per year.
Please show me an automatic subsidy given to all families on more than £30,000 per year.
Those on benefits are typically getting benefits for children and/or are part timers. If the government wants to pay more for children or people working part time hours then that is not the employers fault. Quite the opposite in fact as an employer it can be a real challenge to get people to agree to work more than 16 hours per week sometimes.
Housingg benefit, tax credits
A good move would be to abolish housing benefit entirely, starting in London.
I expect Farage will start a new populist anti immigration party which Woolfe will lead and UKIP will be left with Carswell, Neil Hamilton and whichever nonentity they now elect to lead them and wither on the vine
Since the EU is no longer an issue they should just concentrate on being British ...
Sounds like you want them to be rather nationalist, they should put National in their name too ...
Obviously they are a Party ...
Now what name could they go for ...
When May agrees to continue free movement with controls to get some access to the single market that will be the time for an anti immigration party and the British Nationalists is as good a name as any
Why not just add the word Socialist on the end. British national socialist party. Has a nice ring to it, plus if they are going to try and appeal to traditional Labour voters then saying they are socialist is a must.
They also need to mention Workers. British Workers National Socialist Party.
Workers & National Kipper, English Regions & Socialist party?
I expect Farage will start a new populist anti immigration party which Woolfe will lead and UKIP will be left with Carswell, Neil Hamilton and whichever nonentity they now elect to lead them and wither on the vine
Since the EU is no longer an issue they should just concentrate on being British ...
Sounds like you want them to be rather nationalist, they should put National in their name too ...
Obviously they are a Party ...
Now what name could they go for ...
When May agrees to continue free movement with controls to get some access to the single market that will be the time for an anti immigration party and the British Nationalists is as good a name as any
Why not just add the word Socialist on the end. British national socialist party. Has a nice ring to it, plus if they are going to try and appeal to traditional Labour voters then saying they are socialist is a must.
They also need to mention Workers. British Workers National Socialist Party.
Workers & National Kipper, English Regions & Socialist party?
I wonder what acronym we could use for that?
They'd never attract the policy wonks to build a coherent platform.
Based on the recent local election results the Lib Dems are the party to watch. They could yet re-emerge as the only credible party of opposition. Having so few MPs at the moment is a handicap of course.
Traditionally, the LDs have been the first port of call for disaffected Conservatives between elections. Next year the Conservatives and UKIP will be defending a lot of seats won in 2013. I expect UKIP to do badly which may mask a moderate Conservative performance and a good LD effort.
As an example, the Conservatives won 58 of the 81 seats in Surrey last time but the LDs lost four and UKIP won three. It's not inconceivable the LDs will make gains and UKIP will lose their seats back to the Conservatives.
Another insult to the Queen, naming it after someone who told the monarch to know their place (and was executed for their principles)
Wasn't that Thomas More?
Ooops you're right, I'm displaying Morris Dancer levels of historical ignorance at the moment.
Can I blame jet lag?
Jet lag? Weren't you going now on a staycation? Eire at best/worst?
I flew to New York on Thursday then was planning to go to Florida.
Decided to come back to Blighty because of Zika in Florida, now going to Cornwall for a few days.
Which part of our fine country are you visiting? The weather has adopted its customary tourist-hating August mizzle, though it's just started to clear up in the far west in the last couple of hours and looks good next week.
Newquay way.
I just hope o2's coverage map is accurate
Newquay in August? You're a braver man than me. Other than on beaches and right in the middle of the moors, mobile coverage is actually surprisingly good throughout Cornwall - substantially better than the Reading to Plymouth stretch of the mainline from Paddington. It's almost like the county benefited from infrastructure investment from being in some kind of international politico-economic Union.
A colleague suggested it, I do enjoy my visits to the South West of England.
You should have come over to Pembrokeshire. Better beaches but less crowded. Mind you, the mobile signal is shit.
What time of day. I know that in that part of the world the biggies tend to take off in the wee hours of the morning for the heavier air.
12:45 local, 08:45GMT. Horrible weather today, seriously hot and humid. Pressure was 988mb and temp 49C. Rumour is that there was a wind shear and he tried to go around but fell into the hole in the air. Very unfortunate, and reminiscent of the BA crash in a similar 777 at LHR a few years back, although it for different reasons. Those Boeings are very well built indeed.
I think there was a domestic US crash in the mid 80s which led to the discovery of microbursts.
Another insult to the Queen, naming it after someone who told the monarch to know their place (and was executed for their principles)
Wasn't that Thomas More?
Ooops you're right, I'm displaying Morris Dancer levels of historical ignorance at the moment.
Can I blame jet lag?
Jet lag? Weren't you going now on a staycation? Eire at best/worst?
I flew to New York on Thursday then was planning to go to Florida.
Decided to come back to Blighty because of Zika in Florida, now going to Cornwall for a few days.
Which part of our fine country are you visiting? The weather has adopted its customary tourist-hating August mizzle, though it's just started to clear up in the far west in the last couple of hours and looks good next week.
Newquay way.
I just hope o2's coverage map is accurate
Newquay in August? You're a braver man than me. Other than on beaches and right in the middle of the moors, mobile coverage is actually surprisingly good throughout Cornwall - substantially better than the Reading to Plymouth stretch of the mainline from Paddington. It's almost like the county benefited from infrastructure investment from being in some kind of international politico-economic Union.
A colleague suggested it, I do enjoy my visits to the South West of England.
You should have come over to Pembrokeshire. Better beaches but less crowded. Mind you, the mobile signal is shit.
A weekend in Hay can't be beat if you like books
Seconded. Hay is lovely and there are great walks all around.
Imagine if John McCain was the GOP nominee in 2000, would he have become POTUS, defeating Al Gore?
Yes.
McCain's double misfortune was Bush winning on 2000 largely on the basis of Gore detaching himself from Bill Clinton and then in 08 coming up against the brilliant campaigner in Obama and the financial crisis.
He can't withdraw, his name would still go forward as the Republican candidate.
The idea is that Trump resigns the nomination and the RNC nominates someone else, there is precedent from 1912 and 1972 but for VP's.
I can't see that working politically because half of republican voters are Trump fanatics, only if they replaced Trump with another Trump would it work.
Best case right now, Trump resigns but the nomination stays in the Trump family and goes to Ivanka.
She is well liked by the media, is seen as the most political savvy of the Trump family and as a woman she would get Hillary's only card.
But the only ones who can convince Trump of doing this is probably his own family. It's probably for the better of them since the Trump family name is going through the gutter right now, and Trump is facing a hostile and politically charged Jury on his trial.
I never though that my 10000th comment would be speculation of Trump withdrawing from the GOP nomination, but there you go.
Comments
Is Philip Hammond about to move his 'cat-hating' dog in next to Larry and Palmerston?
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/07/29/is-philip-hammond-about-to-move-his-cat-hating-dog-in-next-to-la/
And await a new May Day
The lady don't kip
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-36962059
Labour Centrists trying to keep Corbyn off the ballot, and kippers of both sides making the rules up as they go along with regard to Suzanne Evans and Steven Woolfe
May an even luckier leader than Cameron in terms of oppo? Probably the right person to steady the shipping Brexit vote
Edit: You're talking about Charles I
Can I blame jet lag?
http://www.stevenwoolfe.uk/news--press/statement-by-steven-woolfe-mep-on-leadership-contest
If he had got his papers in an hour earlier, none of this would have happened.
The NEC had no choice but the follow the rules. No choice at all.
I am looking forward to the police investigation into his admitted breach of Electoral law. And, of course, the investigation by the Bar Council. Not good for a barrister to have broken such an important law.
That really would cause him problems.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3719967/Lion-loose-Police-searching-big-cat-lorry-driver-sighting-Cornwall.html
Decided to come back to Blighty because of Zika in Florida, now going to Cornwall for a few days.
All you need to do is submit it in person (and get a receipt) or by recorded delivery.
Clinton 42.8% .. Trump 34.5%
http://polling.reuters.com/#!poll/TM651Y15_DS_13/filters/LIKELY:1/type/smallest/dates/20160710-20160801/collapsed/true/spotlight/1
Having it play out in the print media of the first half of the 20th Century gave everyone a bit more time to breathe...
For fans of plane crash photos: (nobody seriously injured BTW)
http://www.thenational.ae/uae/transport/emirates-flight-catches-fire-on-landing-at-dubai-airport---in-pictures
Looking like bad weather at the moment, was 49 degrees, very low pressure and strong but variable winds today - a pilot's nightmare.
Some GOP voters would vote for the elephant in the room with a red rosette as their POTUS candidate and the same is true of the donkey Clinton. The difference being voters seem more inclined to the ass than Donald and his big trunk.
Shouldn't bookmakers be compelled to offer the other side of bets? Would it be a good rule of thumb as a punter NEVER to bet on things where bookmakers only offer one side as they are probably mug bets?
Which part of our fine country are you visiting? The weather has adopted its customary tourist-hating August mizzle, though it's just started to clear up in the far west in the last couple of hours and looks good next week.
I just hope o2's coverage map is accurate
http://www.politico.com/story/2016/08/newt-gingrich-trump-self-destructive-226608
Imagine if John McCain was the GOP nominee in 2000, would he have become POTUS, defeating Al Gore?
McCain's double misfortune was Bush winning on 2000 largely on the basis of Gore detaching himself from Bill Clinton and then in 08 coming up against the brilliant campaigner in Obama and the financial crisis.
McCain would also win now against Clinton.
Huh...so tax businesses more to pay for businesses to pay their employees more. How does that one work then?
Pilots' forum link with discussion of 200 comments and rising quickly.
http://www.pprune.org/rumours-news/582445-emirates-b777-gear-collapse-dxb.html
http://news.sky.com/story/dc-transit-officer-charged-with-supporting-is-10521465
For the benefit of Mr Eagles, I'd recommend Carbis Bay, just up from St Ives. Not as mad as St Ives itself and a very pleasant little cove with a good beach.
On the John McCain issue, he couldn't win the 2000 GOP nomination. That was his problem and his tragedy. Bush won that and while he wouldn't have got close to Clinton (either of them) he had the benefit of coming in after eight years of a Democrat White House against an incumbent VP.
He wasn't as good as George HW Bush but he was better than Dukakis though only just.
McCain faced the same problem in 2008 trying to defend eight years of a Republican White House in the midst of a financial crisis and against a class opponent. He never stood a chance.
The very fact HRC is ahead shows the desperate quality of the GOP candidate - again, we see a few on here desperately talking up Trump. Is it because the candidate of "the Right" must always be supported however dire they are ?
His only policy is:
"I'm John McCain, and I endorse WAR"
Anyway this is circulating:
https://twitter.com/LarrySabato/status/760841043499585537
Can't see that attracting many voters.
In work benefits always strike me as pernicious as they are, in effect a subsidy, from the marginal net taxpayer the larger companies and the very well off. If a company's business model relies on employing people on the minimum legal wage knowing that those wages will be topped up from taxpayers then that company does not deserve to survive.
Please show me an automatic subsidy given to all families on more than £30,000 per year.
Those on benefits are typically getting benefits for children and/or are part timers. If the government wants to pay more for children or people working part time hours then that is not the employers fault. Quite the opposite in fact as an employer it can be a real challenge to get people to agree to work more than 16 hours per week sometimes.
http://www.latimes.com/politics/la-na-pol-usc-daybreak-poll-methodology-20160714-snap-story.html
As an example, the Conservatives won 58 of the 81 seats in Surrey last time but the LDs lost four and UKIP won three. It's not inconceivable the LDs will make gains and UKIP will lose their seats back to the Conservatives.
I think there was a domestic US crash in the mid 80s which led to the discovery of microbursts.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Delta_Air_Lines_Flight_191
I can't see that working politically because half of republican voters are Trump fanatics, only if they replaced Trump with another Trump would it work.
Best case right now, Trump resigns but the nomination stays in the Trump family and goes to Ivanka.
She is well liked by the media, is seen as the most political savvy of the Trump family and as a woman she would get Hillary's only card.
But the only ones who can convince Trump of doing this is probably his own family.
It's probably for the better of them since the Trump family name is going through the gutter right now, and Trump is facing a hostile and politically charged Jury on his trial.
I never though that my 10000th comment would be speculation of Trump withdrawing from the GOP nomination, but there you go.