politicalbetting.com » Blog Archive » Why I’m betting that it’ll be next July at the earliest bef
Comments
-
I'm now utterly convinced you are DairLowlander said:
For example, Fox News are taking their feed from Sky. The UK might be a tiny backwater in political terms but its news services are still important. Issue the D-notices and make sure the coup is properly backed.RobD said:
How many in Turkey are watching Sky?Lowlander said:
Should the D-notices not be issued already?MaxPB said:
She's an AKP member.Chameleon said:Sky news giving a lot of airtime to a blatant Erdogan apologist.
As far as I can tell from the coverage on Sky and the BBC, they are promoting the Erdogan message of getting people on the streets and claiming the coup may fail.
Isn't this what D-notices are meant for?
0 -
Possibility that the large crowds of people on the streets could just be people playing pokemon go?0
-
Two hours ago there were celebrations in Damascus as news of the attempted coup spread. Assad will be very disappointed now.0
-
Doesn't look like they are taking a great deal of notice of Emily Thornberry MP?MarcKlein said:0 -
Yes, and I support democracy. I do not support a tiny faction of the army supporting the installation of a Islamist cleric hiding in Pennsylvania.Lowlander said:
You're a Labourite right?surbiton said:Great news. Turkish people crushes Golan. Golan is an Islamist and these coup plotters were supporting him.
All political parties have come out against the coup.0 -
If you weren't such a complete idiot, you'd have realised that I was quoting someone who was making exactly the point that this coup hasn't been led by the generals.runnymede said:
nice one Richardalex. said:
That's because he's been deposed. This hasn't been led by the generals.Richard_Nabavi said:"The chief of staff of the military has not spoken yet and traditionally with Turkish coups you would expect the head of the military to be on TV taking command.”
https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2016/jul/15/turkey-coup-attempt-military-gunfire-ankara
23.290 -
Hm, what is quicker, going to the airport and trying to fly there, or asking on twitter? Fair enough to ask.Theuniondivvie said:0 -
The ssas market is tiny and sophisticated and shrinking too with group sipps. You are hardly the AE target market then. Either you ensure you are able to say you are a qwps (dk if a ssas can be off the top of my head) or as you say the scheme members have to opt out. You'll be re enrolled in 3 years time too. So unless qwps then. It's all opt out again. I presume no employees in a non ssas scheme?Richard_Nabavi said:
Of course, we have a small self-administered scheme, which we're perfectly happy with, and into which we pay far more than the auto-enrolment limits. But like most such schemes it's not compliant with the auto-enrolment rules.Scrapheap_as_was said:Tiny companies to me are that size. If you are talking 5 to 10 staff then you should be caught by AE if you don't have a scheme for genuine employee directors s
And in fact why would you not just have a qwps already with all the tax advantages there are incl sal exchange for the company???
Anyway - my point to Baroness Altman was a simple one. Why on earth did we have to go through the charade, knowing that it was a charade? Who on earth was the charade supposed to protect? This is supposed to be a government dedicated to sweeping away nonsensical red-tape, and here was a completely unambiguous piece of nonsensical red-tape all ready to be cut out.0 -
Nobody here knows who is behind this. It could be one of all sorts of factions.surbiton said:
Yes, and I support democracy. I do not support a tiny faction of the army supporting the installation of a Islamist cleric hiding in Pennsylvania.Lowlander said:
You're a Labourite right?surbiton said:Great news. Turkish people crushes Golan. Golan is an Islamist and these coup plotters were supporting him.
All political parties have come out against the coup.0 -
The Coup members really needed to take control of key places quicker. Should have made arrests and moved into position before declaring they they were taking control.0
-
What ?RobD said:
I'm now utterly convinced you are DairLowlander said:
For example, Fox News are taking their feed from Sky. The UK might be a tiny backwater in political terms but its news services are still important. Issue the D-notices and make sure the coup is properly backed.RobD said:
How many in Turkey are watching Sky?Lowlander said:
Should the D-notices not be issued already?MaxPB said:
She's an AKP member.Chameleon said:Sky news giving a lot of airtime to a blatant Erdogan apologist.
As far as I can tell from the coverage on Sky and the BBC, they are promoting the Erdogan message of getting people on the streets and claiming the coup may fail.
Isn't this what D-notices are meant for?0 -
In polling terms will this give rocketboosters to Trump ?0
-
Yes, they were too slow in getting the police on side. If they had the police on side the curfew would have been respected.Chameleon said:The Coup members really needed to take control of key places quicker. Should have made arrests and moved into position before declaring they they were taking control.
0 -
So Turkish elections are free and fair?surbiton said:
Yes, and I support democracy. I do not support a tiny faction of the army supporting the installation of a Islamist cleric hiding in Pennsylvania.Lowlander said:
You're a Labourite right?surbiton said:Great news. Turkish people crushes Golan. Golan is an Islamist and these coup plotters were supporting him.
All political parties have come out against the coup.0 -
If this is small group within the military, why aren't the remaining military restoring order?0
-
Not sure he'll be that bothered either way.surbiton said:Two hours ago there were celebrations in Damascus as news of the attempted coup spread. Assad will be very disappointed now.
0 -
exactly.Gallowgate said:If this is small group within the military, why aren't the remaining military restoring order?
0 -
They are. These "Golanists" know what's coming.Gallowgate said:If this is small group within the military, why aren't the remaining military restoring order?
0 -
We have no idea who is behind it. I strongly suspect that it's a coup by the secularists, not the islamists.surbiton said:
So you are supporting a military putsch instigated by an Islamic cleric ?Chameleon said:The Coup members really needed to take control of key places quicker. Should have made arrests and moved into position before declaring they they were taking control.
0 -
The small group line comes from the AKP, it looks like a lot of the military are in this.Gallowgate said:If this is small group within the military, why aren't the remaining military restoring order?
0 -
Are they?surbiton said:
They are. These "Golanists" know what's coming.Gallowgate said:If this is small group within the military, why aren't the remaining military restoring order?
0 -
Fox News has their regular evening programming on.Lowlander said:
For example, Fox News are taking their feed from Sky. The UK might be a tiny backwater in political terms but its news services are still important. Issue the D-notices and make sure the coup is properly backed.RobD said:
How many in Turkey are watching Sky?Lowlander said:
Should the D-notices not be issued already?MaxPB said:
She's an AKP member.Chameleon said:Sky news giving a lot of airtime to a blatant Erdogan apologist.
As far as I can tell from the coverage on Sky and the BBC, they are promoting the Erdogan message of getting people on the streets and claiming the coup may fail.
Isn't this what D-notices are meant for?0 -
Here's the statement from Emily Thornberry MP:
http://press.labour.org.uk/post/147463631189/emily-thornberry-responds-to-reports-of-a-military0 -
Anyone know what is going on in the video on the right of the Sky News stream? There are dozens of soldiers sitting around.0
-
I'm going with JackWThrak said:
Nobody here knows who is behind this. It could be one of all sorts of factions.surbiton said:
Yes, and I support democracy. I do not support a tiny faction of the army supporting the installation of a Islamist cleric hiding in Pennsylvania.Lowlander said:
You're a Labourite right?surbiton said:Great news. Turkish people crushes Golan. Golan is an Islamist and these coup plotters were supporting him.
All political parties have come out against the coup.
0 -
Does it? Maybe I'm being naive but from the pictures, these soldiers look like they are in very small groups.MaxPB said:
The small group line comes from the AKP, it looks like a lot of the military are in this.Gallowgate said:If this is small group within the military, why aren't the remaining military restoring order?
0 -
Bollocks ! All 4 Turkish armies are against. All political parties are against. The people are out on the street against them. The police are against them.MaxPB said:
The small group line comes from the AKP, it looks like a lot of the military are in this.Gallowgate said:If this is small group within the military, why aren't the remaining military restoring order?
It was incredible watching Erdogan appealing to the people to come out on the streets and within 5 minutes Al Jazeera was broadcasting live from Gaziantep taht the people had responded, Another 5 minutes later people were surrounding the tanks in Istanbul airport.
Power to the people !0 -
The military leaders have said that they will rewrite the constitution to the secular one introduced by Atatürk.Chameleon said:
We have no idea who is behind it. I strongly suspect that it's a coup by the secularists, not the islamists.surbiton said:
So you are supporting a military putsch instigated by an Islamic cleric ?Chameleon said:The Coup members really needed to take control of key places quicker. Should have made arrests and moved into position before declaring they they were taking control.
0 -
Then how come it is still going on?surbiton said:
Bollocks ! All 4 Turkish armies are against. All political parties are against. The people are out on the street against them. The police are against them.MaxPB said:
The small group line comes from the AKP, it looks like a lot of the military are in this.Gallowgate said:If this is small group within the military, why aren't the remaining military restoring order?
0 -
Why does FlightRadar show location of tanks??0
-
Yep, we just had to pretend to sign up (no doubt at some cost to Nest, luckily not to us except for the wasted time), and go though the money laundering nonsense, and then opt out again. As you say, in three years' time - again on pain of criminal sanctions, which really gets my goat - we'll have to pretend to write ourselves letters saying we've been opted back in, and then we'll have to opt out again. Utterly barmy.Scrapheap_as_was said:The ssas market is tiny and sophisticated and shrinking too with group sipps. You are hardly the AE target market then. Either you ensure you are able to say you are a qwps (dk if a ssas can be off the top of my head) or as you say the scheme members have to opt out. You'll be re enrolled in 3 years time too. So unless qwps then. It's all opt out again. I presume no employees in a non ssas scheme?
0 -
All parties against? They have made statements?surbiton said:
Bollocks ! All 4 Turkish armies are against. All political parties are against. The people are out on the street against them. The police are against them.MaxPB said:
The small group line comes from the AKP, it looks like a lot of the military are in this.Gallowgate said:If this is small group within the military, why aren't the remaining military restoring order?
0 -
You have absolutely no evidence it is instigated by Golan beyond the claims of Erdogan. It is far more likely at the moment that it is exactly what is claimed - a secular military coup against an islamist President.surbiton said:
So you are supporting a military putsch instigated by an Islamic cleric ?Chameleon said:The Coup members really needed to take control of key places quicker. Should have made arrests and moved into position before declaring they they were taking control.
0 -
Erdogan speaking on Al Jazeera English live now0
-
Blimey how do you have this intelligence ?surbiton said:
Bollocks ! All 4 Turkish armies are against. All political parties are against. The people are out on the street against them. The police are against them.MaxPB said:
The small group line comes from the AKP, it looks like a lot of the military are in this.Gallowgate said:If this is small group within the military, why aren't the remaining military restoring order?
0 -
How do I manage to always be on the other side of almost any issue from Surbiton?Richard_Tyndall said:
You have absolutely no evidence it is instigated by Golan beyond the claims of Erdogan. It is far more likely at the moment that it is exactly what is claimed - a secular military coup against an islamist President.surbiton said:
So you are supporting a military putsch instigated by an Islamic cleric ?Chameleon said:The Coup members really needed to take control of key places quicker. Should have made arrests and moved into position before declaring they they were taking control.
0 -
Some people are looking very foolish saying they know what is happening. Just admit that you don't know and are parroting someone else. Cool heads maybe? It isn't even our conflict.0
-
This is the video that came out 2-3 hrs ago.Paristonda said:Erdogan speaking on Al Jazeera English live now
0 -
They took over the key infrastructure too quickly and easily. That level of logistics wouldn't be possible for a small group.Gallowgate said:
Does it? Maybe I'm being naive but from the pictures, these soldiers look like they are in very small groups.MaxPB said:
The small group line comes from the AKP, it looks like a lot of the military are in this.Gallowgate said:If this is small group within the military, why aren't the remaining military restoring order?
0 -
Wow, you really have swallowed the Labour coolaid. Backing Islamists over secularists. Pathetic. When's your next rally to implement Sharia in the UK?surbiton said:
Bollocks ! All 4 Turkish armies are against. All political parties are against. The people are out on the street against them. The police are against them.MaxPB said:
The small group line comes from the AKP, it looks like a lot of the military are in this.Gallowgate said:If this is small group within the military, why aren't the remaining military restoring order?
0 -
Are you sure about all that?surbiton said:
Bollocks ! All 4 Turkish armies are against. All political parties are against. The people are out on the street against them. The police are against them.MaxPB said:
The small group line comes from the AKP, it looks like a lot of the military are in this.Gallowgate said:If this is small group within the military, why aren't the remaining military restoring order?
It was incredible watching Erdogan appealing to the people to come out on the streets and within 5 minutes Al Jazeera was broadcasting live from Gaziantep taht the people had responded, Another 5 minutes later people were surrounding the tanks in Istanbul airport.
Power to the people !0 -
Surbiton - do you have a horse in this race? Because whilst most of us on pb pontificate with the certainty of not being able to change anything, you have come out like a honey badger.0
-
The simple answer is nobody knows. Certainly not twitter.Thrak said:Some people are looking very foolish saying they know what is happening. Just admit that you don't know and are parroting someone else. Cool heads maybe? It isn't even our conflict.
0 -
The Erdogan supporting generals are against it. The brigadiers and colonels are making this happen.surbiton said:
Bollocks ! All 4 Turkish armies are against. All political parties are against. The people are out on the street against them. The police are against them.MaxPB said:
The small group line comes from the AKP, it looks like a lot of the military are in this.Gallowgate said:If this is small group within the military, why aren't the remaining military restoring order?
It was incredible watching Erdogan appealing to the people to come out on the streets and within 5 minutes Al Jazeera was broadcasting live from Gaziantep taht the people had responded, Another 5 minutes later people were surrounding the tanks in Istanbul airport.
Power to the people !0 -
I am intelligent. You are not.Pulpstar said:
Blimey how do you have this intelligence ?surbiton said:
Bollocks ! All 4 Turkish armies are against. All political parties are against. The people are out on the street against them. The police are against them.MaxPB said:
The small group line comes from the AKP, it looks like a lot of the military are in this.Gallowgate said:If this is small group within the military, why aren't the remaining military restoring order?
0 -
Excellent rebuttal.surbiton said:
I am intelligent. You are not.Pulpstar said:
Blimey how do you have this intelligence ?surbiton said:
Bollocks ! All 4 Turkish armies are against. All political parties are against. The people are out on the street against them. The police are against them.MaxPB said:
The small group line comes from the AKP, it looks like a lot of the military are in this.Gallowgate said:If this is small group within the military, why aren't the remaining military restoring order?
0 -
Yes. Don't watch BBC. They are showing tapes from 2 hours back.. The so-called "coup" is over. Assad must be very disappointed.RobD said:
All parties against? They have made statements?surbiton said:
Bollocks ! All 4 Turkish armies are against. All political parties are against. The people are out on the street against them. The police are against them.MaxPB said:
The small group line comes from the AKP, it looks like a lot of the military are in this.Gallowgate said:If this is small group within the military, why aren't the remaining military restoring order?
0 -
It means you're doing things right.Chameleon said:
How do I manage to always be on the other side of almost any issue from Surbiton?Richard_Tyndall said:
You have absolutely no evidence it is instigated by Golan beyond the claims of Erdogan. It is far more likely at the moment that it is exactly what is claimed - a secular military coup against an islamist President.surbiton said:
So you are supporting a military putsch instigated by an Islamic cleric ?Chameleon said:The Coup members really needed to take control of key places quicker. Should have made arrests and moved into position before declaring they they were taking control.
0 -
He's fighting for Erdogan more strongly than I remember him arguing for Labour in 2015, it is quite extraordinary.TheWhiteRabbit said:Surbiton - do you have a horse in this race? Because whilst most of us on pb pontificate with the certainty of not being able to change anything, you have come out like a honey badger.
0 -
I'm not watching the BBC. Where are the statements from the other parties then?surbiton said:
Yes. Don't watch BBC. They are showing tapes from 2 hours back.. The so-called "coup" is over. Assad must be very disappointed.RobD said:
All parties against? They have made statements?surbiton said:
Bollocks ! All 4 Turkish armies are against. All political parties are against. The people are out on the street against them. The police are against them.MaxPB said:
The small group line comes from the AKP, it looks like a lot of the military are in this.Gallowgate said:If this is small group within the military, why aren't the remaining military restoring order?
LOL. the coup is over?0 -
Common sense? Human decency? The desire for people to be free?Chameleon said:
How do I manage to always be on the other side of almost any issue from Surbiton?Richard_Tyndall said:
You have absolutely no evidence it is instigated by Golan beyond the claims of Erdogan. It is far more likely at the moment that it is exactly what is claimed - a secular military coup against an islamist President.surbiton said:
So you are supporting a military putsch instigated by an Islamic cleric ?Chameleon said:The Coup members really needed to take control of key places quicker. Should have made arrests and moved into position before declaring they they were taking control.
There's probably an unlimited number of reasons to be on the other side to Labourites like Surbiton.0 -
You could do both.RobD said:
Hm, what is quicker, going to the airport and trying to fly there, or asking on twitter? Fair enough to ask.Theuniondivvie said:
Of course old school hacks might have their own contacts to hook up with rather than plaintively asking the great unwashed of Twitterdom what's going down.0 -
So you support a military coup ? Not even led by the Generals. Everybody in Turket hates the army. Turks, Kurds everybody.MaxPB said:
It means you're doing things right.Chameleon said:
How do I manage to always be on the other side of almost any issue from Surbiton?Richard_Tyndall said:
You have absolutely no evidence it is instigated by Golan beyond the claims of Erdogan. It is far more likely at the moment that it is exactly what is claimed - a secular military coup against an islamist President.surbiton said:
So you are supporting a military putsch instigated by an Islamic cleric ?Chameleon said:The Coup members really needed to take control of key places quicker. Should have made arrests and moved into position before declaring they they were taking control.
0 -
Depends whether it turns out the coup was organised from Hillary's servers....Pulpstar said:In polling terms will this give rocketboosters to Trump ?
0 -
To be fair Sky's coverage has been good. And as you say, you can do both - ask your contacts and twitter.Theuniondivvie said:
You could do both.RobD said:
Hm, what is quicker, going to the airport and trying to fly there, or asking on twitter? Fair enough to ask.Theuniondivvie said:
Of course old school hacks might have their own contacts to hook up with rather than plaintively asking the great unwashed of Twitterdom what's going down.0 -
''He's fighting for Erdogan more strongly than I remember him arguing for Labour in 2015, it is quite extraordinary.''
Indeed. Surbiton's posts are quite incredible.0 -
You know bugger all.MaxPB said:
The Erdogan supporting generals are against it. The brigadiers and colonels are making this happen.surbiton said:
Bollocks ! All 4 Turkish armies are against. All political parties are against. The people are out on the street against them. The police are against them.MaxPB said:
The small group line comes from the AKP, it looks like a lot of the military are in this.Gallowgate said:If this is small group within the military, why aren't the remaining military restoring order?
It was incredible watching Erdogan appealing to the people to come out on the streets and within 5 minutes Al Jazeera was broadcasting live from Gaziantep taht the people had responded, Another 5 minutes later people were surrounding the tanks in Istanbul airport.
Power to the people !0 -
"There are no tanks in Istanbul!"RobD said:
I'm not watching the BBC. Where are the statements from the other parties then?surbiton said:
Yes. Don't watch BBC. They are showing tapes from 2 hours back.. The so-called "coup" is over. Assad must be very disappointed.RobD said:
All parties against? They have made statements?surbiton said:
Bollocks ! All 4 Turkish armies are against. All political parties are against. The people are out on the street against them. The police are against them.MaxPB said:
The small group line comes from the AKP, it looks like a lot of the military are in this.Gallowgate said:If this is small group within the military, why aren't the remaining military restoring order?
LOL. the coup is over?0 -
And what is the source of your incredible knowledge on the subject then?surbiton said:
You know bugger all.MaxPB said:
The Erdogan supporting generals are against it. The brigadiers and colonels are making this happen.surbiton said:
Bollocks ! All 4 Turkish armies are against. All political parties are against. The people are out on the street against them. The police are against them.MaxPB said:
The small group line comes from the AKP, it looks like a lot of the military are in this.Gallowgate said:If this is small group within the military, why aren't the remaining military restoring order?
It was incredible watching Erdogan appealing to the people to come out on the streets and within 5 minutes Al Jazeera was broadcasting live from Gaziantep taht the people had responded, Another 5 minutes later people were surrounding the tanks in Istanbul airport.
Power to the people !0 -
If you have to have a scheme for non directors who aren't in the ssas you directors could just join too pay the phased bare minimums and then carry on with the ssas regardless for main provision. The key though is you are untypical of the swathe of employers now staging and who mainly have shell stakeholders if they had need if anything at all. The tiny firms are ok too as I've defined them and Richard t shows.Richard_Nabavi said:
Yep, we just had to pretend to sign up (no doubt at some cost to Nest, luckily not to us except for the wasted time), and go though the money laundering nonsense, and then opt out again. As you say, in three years' time - again on pain of criminal sanctions, which really gets my goat - we'll have to pretend to write ourselves letters saying we've been opted back in, and then we'll have to opt out again. Utterly barmy.Scrapheap_as_was said:The ssas market is tiny and sophisticated and shrinking too with group sipps. You are hardly the AE target market then. Either you ensure you are able to say you are a qwps (dk if a ssas can be off the top of my head) or as you say the scheme members have to opt out. You'll be re enrolled in 3 years time too. So unless qwps then. It's all opt out again. I presume no employees in a non ssas scheme?
0 -
Reuters — fighter jet shoots down military helicopter.0
-
And according to the office of the Turkish PM, Erdogan is in Istanbul....
Are there like touring versions of Erdogan, like the Four Tops franchise?
0 -
I think it's Al Jazeera.RobD said:
And what is the source of your incredible knowledge on the subject then?surbiton said:
You know bugger all.MaxPB said:
The Erdogan supporting generals are against it. The brigadiers and colonels are making this happen.surbiton said:
Bollocks ! All 4 Turkish armies are against. All political parties are against. The people are out on the street against them. The police are against them.MaxPB said:
The small group line comes from the AKP, it looks like a lot of the military are in this.Gallowgate said:If this is small group within the military, why aren't the remaining military restoring order?
It was incredible watching Erdogan appealing to the people to come out on the streets and within 5 minutes Al Jazeera was broadcasting live from Gaziantep taht the people had responded, Another 5 minutes later people were surrounding the tanks in Istanbul airport.
Power to the people !-1 -
I support anyone who removes Islamists. I also supported al-Sisi.surbiton said:
So you support a military coup ? Not even led by the Generals. Everybody in Turket hates the army. Turks, Kurds everybody.MaxPB said:
It means you're doing things right.Chameleon said:
How do I manage to always be on the other side of almost any issue from Surbiton?Richard_Tyndall said:
You have absolutely no evidence it is instigated by Golan beyond the claims of Erdogan. It is far more likely at the moment that it is exactly what is claimed - a secular military coup against an islamist President.surbiton said:
So you are supporting a military putsch instigated by an Islamic cleric ?Chameleon said:The Coup members really needed to take control of key places quicker. Should have made arrests and moved into position before declaring they they were taking control.
The generals have been arrested.0 -
Starting to look more and more like this coup attempt was organised by the PLP. Erdogan, will have his feet on the desk citing his mandate from the people within a few hours.0
-
-
The Coup Plotters have been arrested.0
-
I've got to pop off for a bit, but I suspect that the coup-ers have moved too slow, and it looks like it may have failed, but still too early to say with any certainty. Erdogan's team is playing the foreign media very, very well.0
-
just heard that helicopter has been "shot down"0
-
All sides furiously pumping out propaganda.0
-
"It will make the EU refugee crisis harder to control and lead to a series of purges and crackdowns and curbs to media freedoms and human rights that could last indefinitely. This is a Nato ally. It is will have far-reaching repercussions."
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/07/15/turkey-low-flying-jets-and-gunfire-heard-in-ankara1/0 -
As plotters they were fucking useless?surbiton said:The Coup Plotters have been arrested.
0 -
President Obama has urged support for "democratically-elected" Turkish government.
0 -
Paying in to a scheme rather than opting-out would be absurdly burdensome in terms of the admin required.Scrapheap_as_was said:If you have to have a scheme for non directors who aren't in the ssas you directors could just join too pay the phased bare minimums and then carry on with the ssas regardless for main provision. The key though is you are untypical of the swathe of employers now staging and who mainly have shell stakeholders if they had need if anything at all. The tiny firms are ok too as I've defined them and Richard t shows.
Sure, tiny firms with one employee-director are fine. But not tiny firms (of which there are many, especially hi-tech start-ups) with two or three employee-directors. That was my simple point, which Baroness Altman didn't bother to respond to. So good riddance that she's gone.0 -
This is going to be an hilarious thread to look back on. Proper Comical somebody....0
-
US calling it for Erdogan?FrancisUrquhart said:President Obama has urged support for "democratically-elected" Turkish government.
0 -
Just as a review
TRT is held by the coup organisers
NTV is a pro Erdogan channel.0 -
Just posting what is on the Sky live feed, but that is how I read it.RobD said:
US calling it for Erdogan?FrancisUrquhart said:President Obama has urged support for "democratically-elected" Turkish government.
0 -
Obama calls it for Erdogan while Kerry in Russia stays cool. Obama also supported Morsi in Egypt though, he seems to be a bit of a foreign policy fool.FrancisUrquhart said:President Obama has urged support for "democratically-elected" Turkish government.
0 -
@taffys
''He's fighting for Erdogan more strongly than I remember him arguing for Labour in 2015, it is quite extraordinary.''
Indeed. Surbiton's posts are quite incredible.'
Surby likes politicians that try to close down democracy, free speech & impose islam a lot in common with his pal Corbyn.
0 -
.@POTUS & @JohnKerry agreed all parties in Turkey should support the democratically-elected Gov't of Turkey, show restraint, avoid violence.0
-
Will the UK's membership of the EU outlast Turkey's membership of NATO?0
-
Whatever the result of this, the EU's policy with regard to the middle east is a mess of colossal proportions.
Colossal.0 -
They've survived two coups while being in NATO.williamglenn said:Will the UK's membership of the EU outlast Turkey's membership of NATO?
0
