@LOS_Fisher: NEW: Labour NEC procedures cmte has ruled 6-month freeze date applies to affiliates in leadership contest. Stops £2 sign ups by Unite et al
This has to head to the courts.
It feels completely contrary to natural justice to have this sort of restriction imposed - creating massive confusion and being an unfair change to the terms and conditions under which people joined the party at various levels.
No different to three month freeze imposed by Tories. Freeze dates normal function of NEC. It's just that the weird Tories for Corbyn gang don't like it. Sorry.
All those journalists who thought it would be a minor reshuffle with Hammond and Osborne swapping roles and a few Brexiteers promoted look pretty silly now. I've no idea why they thought that, it was clear May would want to reshape things extensively.
Jamie Wareham @jamie_wareham 4m4 minutes ago New Chancellor Philip Hammond: 'We will leave the single market, it's about negotiating access now' #audio:
Will be a disaster if so. Not even sure it will get through the Commons.
At the always impartial BBC...never...The thing despite all the claims about how he was going to kill off the BBC, he didn't do anything of any substance with the charter renewal. It was completely the wrong decision not to push the BBC towards the modern world, as 10 years in media is a very long time and they need to stat to deleverage from the licence fee model before then because it isn't sustainable.
The hatred for Whittingdale by the BBC is odd, given with that one little change he's prolonged the BBC's existence wrt online iPlayer viewing. Their next issue is trying to make it work without it becoming a.n.other subscription service, which loses them their USP. Or worse, universal taxation.
@LOS_Fisher: NEW: Labour NEC procedures cmte has ruled 6-month freeze date applies to affiliates in leadership contest. Stops £2 sign ups by Unite et al
This has to head to the courts.
It feels completely contrary to natural justice to have this sort of restriction imposed - creating massive confusion and being an unfair change to the terms and conditions under which people joined the party at various levels.
At end of previous thread (so near top, easily findable by one and all) I posted an email from Momentum - informing people what voting options were available - and I noted that a lot of the cheeky affiliate workarounds doing the rounds on Twitter were *not* included. The email suggested Momentum were in difficulty in terms of recruiting non-members to bolster Corbyn. It is worth a read through to anybody betting on this market.
Last time round an inspection of candidates' emails and websites showed Corbyn was being much more efficient at channeling potential supporters (eg heavily advertised "pay £3 to vote - click here") whereas this time the NEC seem to have kiboshed him.
All those folk who spent their time toadying to George and ignoring Theresa discovering what 'rueful' means.
Remember the anonymous MP quoted the weekend before the Referendum. "The careerists are shitting themselves. It must be terrible to spend years kissing backsides, only to discover you've been kissing the *wrong* backsides."
Even more so when you have got the job by convincing the local Association that you are for Brexit - then line up with Remain, because you are holding a chit for advancement from that nice Mr Osborne. He's gone but the local Association - oh, they are very much still in place. And mad as all hell...
Jamie Wareham @jamie_wareham 4m4 minutes ago New Chancellor Philip Hammond: 'We will leave the single market, it's about negotiating access now' #audio:
Will be a disaster if so. Not even sure it will get through the Commons.
He means, we aren't intriniscally part of it. "Access" to the single market could mean anything.
@LOS_Fisher: NEW: Labour NEC procedures cmte has ruled 6-month freeze date applies to affiliates in leadership contest. Stops £2 sign ups by Unite et al
This has to head to the courts.
It feels completely contrary to natural justice to have this sort of restriction imposed - creating massive confusion and being an unfair change to the terms and conditions under which people joined the party at various levels.
It is the NEC's role to make such decisions. A judge could only ask for the decision process to be carried out again if the process was not legitimate. No judge will make a decision on behalf of a legitimate body.
Quite right.
For balance, I also think challenging the Corbyn auto ballot decision in the courts is similar unwise and similarly doomed.
@Jobabob If you can't see the difference between how the Conservative, Lib Dem, Green and even UKIP leadership contests are being run compared to the naked gerrymandering of Tom Watson's Labour party you're being utterly wilfully blind.
@LOS_Fisher: NEW: Labour NEC procedures cmte has ruled 6-month freeze date applies to affiliates in leadership contest. Stops £2 sign ups by Unite et al
This has to head to the courts.
It feels completely contrary to natural justice to have this sort of restriction imposed - creating massive confusion and being an unfair change to the terms and conditions under which people joined the party at various levels.
At end of previous thread (so near top, easily findable by one and all) I posted an email from Momentum - informing people what voting options were available - and I noted that a lot of the cheeky affiliate workarounds doing the rounds on Twitter were *not* included. The email suggested Momentum were in difficulty in terms of recruiting non-members to bolster Corbyn. It is worth a read through to anybody betting on this market.
Last time round an inspection of candidates' emails and websites showed Corbyn was being much more efficient at channeling potential supporters (eg heavily advertised "pay £3 to vote - click here") whereas this time the NEC seem to have kiboshed him.
Can you repost? That email has betting implications as you say.
All those folk who spent their time toadying to George and ignoring Theresa discovering what 'rueful' means.
Remember the anonymous MP quoted the weekend before the Referendum. "The careerists are shitting themselves. It must be terrible to spend years kissing backsides, only to discover you've been kissing the *wrong* backsides."
Even more so when you have got the job by convincing the local Association that you are for Brexit - then line up with Remain, because you are holding a chit for advancement from that nice Mr Osborne. He's gone but the local Association - oh, they are very much still in place. And mad as all hell...
Good point. What cabinet role will Alan Mak get, I wonder?
''All those journalists who thought it would be a minor reshuffle with Hammond and Osborne swapping roles and a few Brexiteers promoted look pretty silly now. I've no idea why they thought that, it was clear May would want to reshape things extensively. ''
When you think of some of the total rubbish they have come up with in recent weeks, the profession has taken a huge hit.
Many manifestly have no contacts or ins to government at all. Tweets from 'senior sources' based on what they think might happen, or what they want to happen, but with no basis in truth, are common.
@LOS_Fisher: NEW: Labour NEC procedures cmte has ruled 6-month freeze date applies to affiliates in leadership contest. Stops £2 sign ups by Unite et al
This has to head to the courts.
It feels completely contrary to natural justice to have this sort of restriction imposed - creating massive confusion and being an unfair change to the terms and conditions under which people joined the party at various levels.
No different to three month freeze imposed by Tories. Freeze dates normal function of NEC. It's just that the weird Tories for Corbyn gang don't like it. Sorry.
Not really, the Tory freeze applies to three months before the final day when ballots are supposed to be received. This is some arbitrary six month freeze from before there was even a hint of a leadership challenge. What happens to all those activists who joined in February to campaign for Labour In or Sadiq for Mayor or even in the local elections? They've paid their £60 and now they won't have a vote despite having been members for six months already.
If the NEC said that they would use a cut off date of when they met to set the terms, that would be fair IMO. As of now loads of people who have joined to actually campaign for Labour and for Labour causes are being excluded.
All those folk who spent their time toadying to George and ignoring Theresa discovering what 'rueful' means.
Remember the anonymous MP quoted the weekend before the Referendum. "The careerists are shitting themselves. It must be terrible to spend years kissing backsides, only to discover you've been kissing the *wrong* backsides."
Even more so when you have got the job by convincing the local Association that you are for Brexit - then line up with Remain, because you are holding a chit for advancement from that nice Mr Osborne. He's gone but the local Association - oh, they are very much still in place. And mad as all hell...
Might be time for a few aspiring PPCs to dust off their CVs
Have to say it's rather silly of French and German foreign ministers to criticize BoJo publicly. Whatever the truth it's really none of their business.
They don't like it up 'em.
They haven't name checked Boris. They're still just venting over 'populist' politicians in general. Apparently populism is still de trop in Europe.
All those folk who spent their time toadying to George and ignoring Theresa discovering what 'rueful' means.
Remember the anonymous MP quoted the weekend before the Referendum. "The careerists are shitting themselves. It must be terrible to spend years kissing backsides, only to discover you've been kissing the *wrong* backsides."
Even more so when you have got the job by convincing the local Association that you are for Brexit - then line up with Remain, because you are holding a chit for advancement from that nice Mr Osborne. He's gone but the local Association - oh, they are very much still in place. And mad as all hell...
Good point. What cabinet role will Alan Mak get, I wonder?
All those folk who spent their time toadying to George and ignoring Theresa discovering what 'rueful' means.
Remember the anonymous MP quoted the weekend before the Referendum. "The careerists are shitting themselves. It must be terrible to spend years kissing backsides, only to discover you've been kissing the *wrong* backsides."
Even more so when you have got the job by convincing the local Association that you are for Brexit - then line up with Remain, because you are holding a chit for advancement from that nice Mr Osborne. He's gone but the local Association - oh, they are very much still in place. And mad as all hell...
Good point. What cabinet role will Alan Mak get, I wonder?
All those folk who spent their time toadying to George and ignoring Theresa discovering what 'rueful' means.
Remember the anonymous MP quoted the weekend before the Referendum. "The careerists are shitting themselves. It must be terrible to spend years kissing backsides, only to discover you've been kissing the *wrong* backsides."
Even more so when you have got the job by convincing the local Association that you are for Brexit - then line up with Remain, because you are holding a chit for advancement from that nice Mr Osborne. He's gone but the local Association - oh, they are very much still in place. And mad as all hell...
Any examples of such Cons Assocs turning on their MPs? Haven't seen any public spat.
@Jobabob If you can't see the difference between how the Conservative, Lib Dem, Green and even UKIP leadership contests are being run compared to the naked gerrymandering of Tom Watson's Labour party you're being utterly wilfully blind.
Says a man who deliberately gerrymandered the last leadership poll himself by voting in it despite thinking the party "a cancer" that "should dissolve itself".
Jamie Wareham @jamie_wareham 4m4 minutes ago New Chancellor Philip Hammond: 'We will leave the single market, it's about negotiating access now' #audio:
Seems very significant. I think it makes sense politically. It's clean and it shuts up the Out squad in a government with a tiny majority. But it is also a weak negotiating strategy which is likely to be ineffective and which will come with a high economic cost.
@LOS_Fisher: NEW: Labour NEC procedures cmte has ruled 6-month freeze date applies to affiliates in leadership contest. Stops £2 sign ups by Unite et al
This has to head to the courts.
It feels completely contrary to natural justice to have this sort of restriction imposed - creating massive confusion and being an unfair change to the terms and conditions under which people joined the party at various levels.
No different to three month freeze imposed by Tories. Freeze dates normal function of NEC. It's just that the weird Tories for Corbyn gang don't like it. Sorry.
Not really, the Tory freeze applies to three months before the final day when ballots are supposed to be received. This is some arbitrary six month freeze from before there was even a hint of a leadership challenge. What happens to all those activists who joined in February to campaign for Labour In or Sadiq for Mayor or even in the local elections? They've paid their £60 and now they won't have a vote despite having been members for six months already.
If the NEC said that they would use a cut off date of when they met to set the terms, that would be fair IMO. As of now loads of people who have joined to actually campaign for Labour and for Labour causes are being excluded.
The ends always always always justify the means in @Jobabobs world. When you take that approach, you can see how ALOT of the 97-10 Gov't decisions were arrived at.
The sooner Labour is consigned to the dustbin of history, the better.
''All those journalists who thought it would be a minor reshuffle with Hammond and Osborne swapping roles and a few Brexiteers promoted look pretty silly now. I've no idea why they thought that, it was clear May would want to reshape things extensively. ''
When you think of some of the total rubbish they have come up with in recent weeks, the profession has taken a huge hit.
Many manifestly have no contacts or ins to government at all. Tweets from 'senior sources' based on what they think might happen, or what they want to happen, but with no basis in truth, are common.
Dan's *senior shadow cabinet* source and his friends don't seem to know anything much now. Wrong clique.
All those folk who spent their time toadying to George and ignoring Theresa discovering what 'rueful' means.
Remember the anonymous MP quoted the weekend before the Referendum. "The careerists are shitting themselves. It must be terrible to spend years kissing backsides, only to discover you've been kissing the *wrong* backsides."
Even more so when you have got the job by convincing the local Association that you are for Brexit - then line up with Remain, because you are holding a chit for advancement from that nice Mr Osborne. He's gone but the local Association - oh, they are very much still in place. And mad as all hell...
Good point. What cabinet role will Alan Mak get, I wonder?
Ah, but Alan made sure he was strategically placed for Theresa's photo-call! He's no fool.
Jamie Wareham @jamie_wareham 4m4 minutes ago New Chancellor Philip Hammond: 'We will leave the single market, it's about negotiating access now' #audio:
Will be a disaster if so. Not even sure it will get through the Commons.
He means, we aren't intriniscally part of it. "Access" to the single market could mean anything.
As long as London has unchanged passporting and I can continue to hire European nationals that will be okay.
All those folk who spent their time toadying to George and ignoring Theresa discovering what 'rueful' means.
Remember the anonymous MP quoted the weekend before the Referendum. "The careerists are shitting themselves. It must be terrible to spend years kissing backsides, only to discover you've been kissing the *wrong* backsides."
Even more so when you have got the job by convincing the local Association that you are for Brexit - then line up with Remain, because you are holding a chit for advancement from that nice Mr Osborne. He's gone but the local Association - oh, they are very much still in place. And mad as all hell...
Good point. What cabinet role will Alan Mak get, I wonder?
Ah, but Alan made sure he was strategically placed for Theresa's photo-call! He's no fool.
He's actually extremely bright. He just needs to tone down the pushiness. By about 95%.
Jamie Wareham @jamie_wareham 4m4 minutes ago New Chancellor Philip Hammond: 'We will leave the single market, it's about negotiating access now' #audio:
Will be a disaster if so. Not even sure it will get through the Commons.
He means, we aren't intriniscally part of it. "Access" to the single market could mean anything.
As long as London has unchanged passporting and I can continue to hire European nationals that will be okay.
@Jobabob If you can't see the difference between how the Conservative, Lib Dem, Green and even UKIP leadership contests are being run compared to the naked gerrymandering of Tom Watson's Labour party you're being utterly wilfully blind.
Says a man who deliberately gerrymandered the last leadership poll himself by voting in it despite thinking the party "a cancer" that "should dissolve itself".
Freeze dates are the normal function of the NEC.
Yes I had a bit of fun with your crazy leadership rules, and if everyone had voted the same way as me you'd have had Liz Kendall in charge with Stella Creasy as deputy
I did think the Labour party had a place in British politics then. A flawed, lumbering beast maybe - but definitely a place for it.
All those folk who spent their time toadying to George and ignoring Theresa discovering what 'rueful' means.
Remember the anonymous MP quoted the weekend before the Referendum. "The careerists are shitting themselves. It must be terrible to spend years kissing backsides, only to discover you've been kissing the *wrong* backsides."
Even more so when you have got the job by convincing the local Association that you are for Brexit - then line up with Remain, because you are holding a chit for advancement from that nice Mr Osborne. He's gone but the local Association - oh, they are very much still in place. And mad as all hell...
Good point. What cabinet role will Alan Mak get, I wonder?
Ah, but Alan made sure he was strategically placed for Theresa's photo-call! He's no fool.
All those folk who spent their time toadying to George and ignoring Theresa discovering what 'rueful' means
Remember the anonymous MP quoted the weekend before the Referendum. "The careerists are shitting themselves. It must be terrible to spend years kissing backsides, only to discover you've been kissing the *wrong* backsides."
Even more so when you have got the job by convincing the local Association that you are for Brexit - then line up with Remain, because you are holding a chit for advancement from that nice Mr Osborne. He's gone but the local Association - oh, they are very much still in place. And mad as all hell...
Good point. What cabinet role will Alan Mak get, I wonder?
Ah, but Alan made sure he was strategically placed for Theresa's photo-call! He's no fool.
He's actually extremely bright. He just needs to tone down the pushiness. By about 95%.
When Gavin Barwell came out for Remain - I read a very unhappy open letter from a big wig in the local association suggesting he should write another a book - this time on how to lose his seat.
@LOS_Fisher: NEW: Labour NEC procedures cmte has ruled 6-month freeze date applies to affiliates in leadership contest. Stops £2 sign ups by Unite et al
This has to head to the courts.
It feels completely contrary to natural justice to have this sort of restriction imposed - creating massive confusion and being an unfair change to the terms and conditions under which people joined the party at various levels.
No different to three month freeze imposed by Tories. Freeze dates normal function of NEC. It's just that the weird Tories for Corbyn gang don't like it. Sorry.
Not really, the Tory freeze applies to three months before the final day when ballots are supposed to be received. This is some arbitrary six month freeze from before there was even a hint of a leadership challenge. What happens to all those activists who joined in February to campaign for Labour In or Sadiq for Mayor or even in the local elections? They've paid their £60 and now they won't have a vote despite having been members for six months already.
If the NEC said that they would use a cut off date of when they met to set the terms, that would be fair IMO. As of now loads of people who have joined to actually campaign for Labour and for Labour causes are being excluded.
The ends always always always justify the means in @Jobabobs world. When you take that approach, you can see how ALOT of the 97-10 Gov't decisions were arrived at.
The sooner Labour is consigned to the dustbin of history, the better.
Hang on. You have got a nerve. If people who didn't support the party hadn't gamed the system by voting in the last poll (as you admit you did), I'd venture that such a stringent freeze would not have been required. Witness the likes of Plato paying three quid to vote for Corbyn.
Re: the Tories, they crowned their leader, they didn't even offer ANY members the vote (rightly in my view but then I am not the one moralising).
Re: the Liberals, under that system, Corbyn would have needed nominations, so again, this issue wouldn't have arisen.
And finally, if Corbyn hadn't been outside crowing to the press the freeze would never have passed. It was a show of hands and he had left the building!
On the Garden Bridge - I have been against it for a while - indeed I wrote a blogpost about it back in January 2015 - the vast majority of which still holds in my view.
Couple of points:
The link isn't to Temple, but to Temple Place - it's at the far Western edge of the Temple zone. The area between the Strand and the Thames (known as Northbank) has absolutely fallen behind most of the rest of London in terms of development - it really needs the kickstart of the extra footfall coming through it.
The £30m taxpayers money is planned to be used anyway on the redevelopment of Temple, so the actually difference in cost (a slightly stronger roof) isn't much
What is this, Mr. Charles? Public money to be spent on redevelopment of the Temple? Surely not, the bloody lawyers have got enough money to pay for their own building work. I must have misunderstood you. Perhaps you are talking about Temple tube station.
ANyway that stretch of the North bank West of Blackfriars Bridge down To Waterloo Bridge, even down to Westminster don't need any development, it is lovely as it is, thank you very much. Not that there is much space to develop anyway - you can't muck about with the Temple, the gardens, KCL or Somerset House.
I was meaning Temple Tube.
It's not the literal north bank of the river, but the streets leading up to the Strand - Villiers to Arundel, Adams, etc that are the problem. It's fragmented and not really very nice - but lots of potential.
@Jobabob If you can't see the difference between how the Conservative, Lib Dem, Green and even UKIP leadership contests are being run compared to the naked gerrymandering of Tom Watson's Labour party you're being utterly wilfully blind.
Says a man who deliberately gerrymandered the last leadership poll himself by voting in it despite thinking the party "a cancer" that "should dissolve itself".
Freeze dates are the normal function of the NEC.
Yes I had a bit of fun with your crazy leadership rules, and if everyone had voted the same way as me you'd have had Liz Kendall in charge with Stella Creasy as deputy
I did think the Labour party had a place in British politics then. A flawed, lumbering beast maybe - but definitely a place for it.
No more.
Your? I am not a member of the party, nor of any party. Never have been.
All those folk who spent their time toadying to George and ignoring Theresa discovering what 'rueful' means
Remember the anonymous MP quoted the weekend before the Referendum. "The careerists are shitting themselves. It must be terrible to spend years kissing backsides, only to discover you've been kissing the *wrong* backsides."
Even more so when you have got the job by convincing the local Association that you are for Brexit - then line up with Remain, because you are holding a chit for advancement from that nice Mr Osborne. He's gone but the local Association - oh, they are very much still in place. And mad as all hell...
Good point. What cabinet role will Alan Mak get, I wonder?
Ah, but Alan made sure he was strategically placed for Theresa's photo-call! He's no fool.
He's actually extremely bright. He just needs to tone down the pushiness. By about 95%.
When Gavin Barwell came out for Remain - I read a very unhappy open letter from a big wig in the local association suggesting he should write another a book - this time on how to lose his seat.
I would never have expected Gavin Barwell to support Leave, though.
All those folk who spent their time toadying to George and ignoring Theresa discovering what 'rueful' means.
Remember the anonymous MP quoted the weekend before the Referendum. "The careerists are shitting themselves. It must be terrible to spend years kissing backsides, only to discover you've been kissing the *wrong* backsides."
Even more so when you have got the job by convincing the local Association that you are for Brexit - then line up with Remain, because you are holding a chit for advancement from that nice Mr Osborne. He's gone but the local Association - oh, they are very much still in place. And mad as all hell...
Mr Mak was very much in evidence in the group photo outside St Stephen's Gate, I assume his usual optimism is continuing
Jamie Wareham @jamie_wareham 4m4 minutes ago New Chancellor Philip Hammond: 'We will leave the single market, it's about negotiating access now' #audio:
Will be a disaster if so. Not even sure it will get through the Commons.
He means, we aren't intriniscally part of it. "Access" to the single market could mean anything.
As long as London has unchanged passporting and I can continue to hire European nationals that will be okay.
I'm alright Jack, eh?
Best of a bad job. No point destroying the greatest city in the world because of a knife edge vote.
Hang on. You have got a nerve. If people who didn't support the party hadn't gamed the system by voting in the last poll (as you admit you did), I'd venture that such a stringent freeze would not have been required. Witness the likes of Plato paying three quid to vote for Corbyn.
Re: the Tories, they crowned their leader, they didn't even offer ANY members the vote (rightly in my view but then I am not the one moralising).
Re: the Liberals, under that system, Corbyn would have needed nominations, so again, this issue wouldn't have arisen.
And finally, if Corbyn hadn't been outside crowing to the press the freeze would never have passed. It was a show of hands and he had left the building!
Why not set the date of the freeze to the date of the NEC meeting then? As I said, the current freeze date excludes people who will have signed up to campaign for Labour and Labour's causes over the last six months. That's not fair. Explain to me why someone who signed up from the SWP last year as a full member to vote for Jez should get a vote this time but someone who signed up in February to help Sadiq get elected as Mayor shouldn't. The freeze is correct, every serious party should have one, but the date is extremely unfair.
All those folk who spent their time toadying to George and ignoring Theresa discovering what 'rueful' means
Remember the anonymous MP quoted the weekend before the Referendum. "The careerists are shitting themselves. It must be terrible to spend years kissing backsides, only to discover you've been kissing the *wrong* backsides."
Even more so when you have got the job by convincing the local Association that you are for Brexit - then line up with Remain, because you are holding a chit for advancement from that nice Mr Osborne. He's gone but the local Association - oh, they are very much still in place. And mad as all hell...
Good point. What cabinet role will Alan Mak get, I wonder?
Ah, but Alan made sure he was strategically placed for Theresa's photo-call! He's no fool.
He's actually extremely bright. He just needs to tone down the pushiness. By about 95%.
When Gavin Barwell came out for Remain - I read a very unhappy open letter from a big wig in the local association suggesting he should write another a book - this time on how to lose his seat.
The referendum is over. What we need is good government. Leaving aside Brexit posts, what we need are the best people in the right roles, regardless of how they voted.
Jamie Wareham @jamie_wareham 4m4 minutes ago New Chancellor Philip Hammond: 'We will leave the single market, it's about negotiating access now' #audio:
Seems very significant. I think it makes sense politically. It's clean and it shuts up the Out squad in a government with a tiny majority. But it is also a weak negotiating strategy which is likely to be ineffective and which will come with a high economic cost.
It's a statement of reality: implementing Article 50 inevitably implies leaving the single market unless some other arrangement is made as part of the exit negotiations. The Single Market is a feature of the EU and leaving the one means leaving the other. The only exception would be if agreement can be reached on continued membership, either on the same terms or on different ones - but that, as Hammond says, is effectively a discussion about access.
Hang on. You have got a nerve. If people who didn't support the party hadn't gamed the system by voting in the last poll (as you admit you did), I'd venture that such a stringent freeze would not have been required. Witness the likes of Plato paying three quid to vote for Corbyn.
Re: the Tories, they crowned their leader, they didn't even offer ANY members the vote (rightly in my view but then I am not the one moralising).
Re: the Liberals, under that system, Corbyn would have needed nominations, so again, this issue wouldn't have arisen.
And finally, if Corbyn hadn't been outside crowing to the press the freeze would never have passed. It was a show of hands and he had left the building!
Why not set the date of the freeze to the date of the NEC meeting then? As I said, the current freeze date excludes people who will have signed up to campaign for Labour and Labour's causes over the last six months. That's not fair. Explain to me why someone who signed up from the SWP last year as a full member to vote for Jez should get a vote this time but someone who signed up in February to help Sadiq get elected as Mayor shouldn't. The freeze is correct, every serious party should have one, but the date is extremely unfair.
We could argue the toss over the date Max. Still, Corbyn sodded off so it was his own fault. Nevertheless, it won't matter because Corbyn will win again and then the likes of @Pulpstar will get their wish because Labour will be no more.
It will be interesting to see how the age balance of this cabinet ends up compared with the previous one. My impression is that it's going to be quite a bit older on average.
All those folk who spent their time toadying to George and ignoring Theresa discovering what 'rueful' means
Remember the anonymous MP quoted the weekend before the Referendum. "The careerists are shitting themselves. It must be terrible to spend years kissing backsides, only to discover you've been kissing the *wrong* backsides."
Even more so when you have got the job by convincing the local Association that you are for Brexit - then line up with Remain, because you are holding a chit for advancement from that nice Mr Osborne. He's gone but the local Association - oh, they are very much still in place. And mad as all hell...
Good point. What cabinet role will Alan Mak get, I wonder?
Ah, but Alan made sure he was strategically placed for Theresa's photo-call! He's no fool.
He's actually extremely bright. He just needs to tone down the pushiness. By about 95%.
When Gavin Barwell came out for Remain - I read a very unhappy open letter from a big wig in the local association suggesting he should write another a book - this time on how to lose his seat.
The referendum is over. What we need is good government. Leaving aside Brexit posts, what we need are the best people in the right roles, regardless of how they voted.
Scott_P is like one of those Japanese soliders on a remote island 30 years after WW2 ended - still thinks the referendum is live...
All those folk who spent their time toadying to George and ignoring Theresa discovering what 'rueful' means
Remember the anonymous MP quoted the weekend before the Referendum. "The careerists are shitting themselves. It must be terrible to spend years kissing backsides, only to discover you've been kissing the *wrong* backsides."
Even more so when you have got the job by convincing the local Association that you are for Brexit - then line up with Remain, because you are holding a chit for advancement from that nice Mr Osborne. He's gone but the local Association - oh, they are very much still in place. And mad as all hell...
Good point. What cabinet role will Alan Mak get, I wonder?
Ah, but Alan made sure he was strategically placed for Theresa's photo-call! He's no fool.
He's actually extremely bright. He just needs to tone down the pushiness. By about 95%.
When Gavin Barwell came out for Remain - I read a very unhappy open letter from a big wig in the local association suggesting he should write another a book - this time on how to lose his seat.
The referendum is over. What we need is good government. Leaving aside Brexit posts, what we need are the best people in the right roles, regardless of how they voted.
Yes I agree and Barwell should not be part of it. IT CCHQ guy circa 2006. "Mr Barwell we are designing the new Merlin voter database system and should it have the capability to link to the internet so that canvassing and GOTV data can be input remotely to it etc". Mr Barwell "No." (A genius at work) (or words to that effect.)
There have been some reports that health Secretary Jeremy Hunt has been sacked from the cabinet, but the BBC understands he's likely to get another job rather than leaving government.
It will be interesting to see how the age balance of this cabinet ends up compared with the previous one. My impression is that it's going to be quite a bit older on average.
All those folk who spent their time toadying to George and ignoring Theresa discovering what 'rueful' means
Remember the anonymous MP quoted the weekend before the Referendum. "The careerists are shitting themselves. It must be terrible to spend years kissing backsides, only to discover you've been kissing the *wrong* backsides."
Even more so when you have got the job by convincing the local Association that you are for Brexit - then line up with Remain, because you are holding a chit for advancement from that nice Mr Osborne. He's gone but the local Association - oh, they are very much still in place. And mad as all hell...
Good point. What cabinet role will Alan Mak get, I wonder?
Ah, but Alan made sure he was strategically placed for Theresa's photo-call! He's no fool.
He's actually extremely bright. He just needs to tone down the pushiness. By about 95%.
When Gavin Barwell came out for Remain - I read a very unhappy open letter from a big wig in the local association suggesting he should write another a book - this time on how to lose his seat.
The referendum is over. What we need is good government. Leaving aside Brexit posts, what we need are the best people in the right roles, regardless of how they voted.
Everyone has just been putting the boot into Gove because of is lack of trustworthiness, but yet its apparently fine to lie to your constituency association to further your career ? It's not about Remain or Leave, its about lying to your members.
Why not set the date of the freeze to the date of the NEC meeting then? As I said, the current freeze date excludes people who will have signed up to campaign for Labour and Labour's causes over the last six months. That's not fair. Explain to me why someone who signed up from the SWP last year as a full member to vote for Jez should get a vote this time but someone who signed up in February to help Sadiq get elected as Mayor shouldn't. The freeze is correct, every serious party should have one, but the date is extremely unfair.
We could argue the toss over the date Max. Still, Corbyn sodded off so it was his own fault. Nevertheless, it won't matter because Corbyn will win again and then the likes of @Pulpstar will get their wish because Labour will be no more.
There is always a freeze date and generally its 6 or 12 months. That there wasn't one for last September's election was the oddity not that one has been reimposed now. To not have a freeze date is to argue that people can join the day before the vote and still have a vote - in practical terms how do you make that work?
All those folk who spent their time toadying to George and ignoring Theresa discovering what 'rueful' means.
Remember the anonymous MP quoted the weekend before the Referendum. "The careerists are shitting themselves. It must be terrible to spend years kissing backsides, only to discover you've been kissing the *wrong* backsides."
Even more so when you have got the job by convincing the local Association that you are for Brexit - then line up with Remain, because you are holding a chit for advancement from that nice Mr Osborne. He's gone but the local Association - oh, they are very much still in place. And mad as all hell...
Good point. What cabinet role will Alan Mak get, I wonder?
Ah, but Alan made sure he was strategically placed for Theresa's photo-call! He's no fool.
He's actually extremely bright. He just needs to tone down the pushiness. By about 95%.
I knew Alan before his St. Peter's days. He's one of the few people that's ever made me feel stupid rather than just deficient in knowledge.
Flowers delivered to No 10 so BBC's idiot commentator Norman Smith presumes people currying favours. Why not expressions of best wishes and congratulations by friends?
Reposted upon request: an email from the Momentum mailing list yesterday (13 July).
Yesterday we won a huge victory for democracy. Labour's National Executive Committee (NEC) decided that Jeremy Corbyn would be on the ballot paper automatically for the leadership election.
However, the NEC did also made some rulings that could impact on your ability to vote in this crucial election.
There is still a degree of confusion and we are trying to seek greater clarity, which we’ll tell you as soon as possible. Here is what we do know:
If you joined the Labour Party after 12 January 2016:
As it stands, you will not be able to vote in the Labour leadership election. If you joined after 12 January, please complete this survey [there is a link at this point, but believe it was specific to my email - filling in the survey gives details about your membership situation so enables Momentum to contact you with advice once things are clarified] so we can keep you informed with any advice that follows. You may be able to join as a registered supporter or affiliate member (see below) to vote in the leadership contest.
If you were a registered supporter last year:
You will need to join again as either a registered supporter or affiliate member (see below) unless you joined as a full member prior to 12 January.
If you are a member of an affiliated union:
If you’re in an affiliated trade union, check to make sure you haven’t opted out of the political levy and then you can register with Labour as an affiliated member and you will be able to vote in the leadership elections. The deadline is the 8th August.
As it stands, there are two ways you can obtain a vote if you’ve been disenfranchised by the NEC's decision.
1. Join as an affiliate supporter before 8 August (likely to be the cheaper option)
It is likely that you will only be able to register between Monday 18 - Wednesday 20 July. The timetable will be confirmed tomorrow. Regrettably the cost has been raised to £25. [Note that there is no link here - not even to a holding page.]
Hang on. You have got a nerve. If people who didn't support the party hadn't gamed the system by voting in the last poll (as you admit you did), I'd venture that such a stringent freeze would not have been required. Witness the likes of Plato paying three quid to vote for Corbyn.
Re: the Tories, they crowned their leader, they didn't even offer ANY members the vote (rightly in my view but then I am not the one moralising).
Re: the Liberals, under that system, Corbyn would have needed nominations, so again, this issue wouldn't have arisen.
And finally, if Corbyn hadn't been outside crowing to the press the freeze would never have passed. It was a show of hands and he had left the building!
Why not set the date of the freeze to the date of the NEC meeting then? As I said, the current freeze date excludes people who will have signed up to campaign for Labour and Labour's causes over the last six months. That's not fair. Explain to me why someone who signed up from the SWP last year as a full member to vote for Jez should get a vote this time but someone who signed up in February to help Sadiq get elected as Mayor shouldn't. The freeze is correct, every serious party should have one, but the date is extremely unfair.
A backdated freeze is entirely inappropriate. The Tory freeze is in effect and known when you sign up, that if an election is called within 3 months you won't get a vote.
It will be interesting to see how the age balance of this cabinet ends up compared with the previous one. My impression is that it's going to be quite a bit older on average.
The email is trying to convert people who have got onto the Momentum mailing list, eg by signing a petition of support for Corbyn, into voters. It is something Corbyn's internet warriors (mailing lists, facebook operation, twitter, website) pushed very effectively when he won, channeling potential supporters to sign up to vote. This email seems very confused. In some cases they are requesting people to supply details so that a personalised email can be sent showing sign-up options when the situation has been clarified. They are definitely on the back foot here. Note that they are *not* advocating some of the supposed "loopholes" that are doing the rounds on Twitter (eg the ethnic minority/LGBT Labour groups). Those omissions are telling. If there was a workable "backdoor" then the Momentum lot would most likely have identified it and started pushing it by now.
All those folk who spent their time toadying to George and ignoring Theresa discovering what 'rueful' means.
Remember the anonymous MP quoted the weekend before the Referendum. "The careerists are shitting themselves. It must be terrible to spend years kissing backsides, only to discover you've been kissing the *wrong* backsides."
Even more so when you have got the job by convincing the local Association that you are for Brexit - then line up with Remain, because you are holding a chit for advancement from that nice Mr Osborne. He's gone but the local Association - oh, they are very much still in place. And mad as all hell...
Good point. What cabinet role will Alan Mak get, I wonder?
Ah, but Alan made sure he was strategically placed for Theresa's photo-call! He's no fool.
He's actually extremely bright. He just needs to tone down the pushiness. By about 95%.
I knew Alan before his St. Peter's days. He's one of the few people that's ever made me feel stupid rather than just deficient in knowledge.
I had that experience with Sir Hugh Orde. He's one of the brightest men I've met. It was so effortless and without any side.
Flowers delivered to No 10 so BBC's idiot commentator Norman Smith presumes people currying favours. Why not expressions of best wishes and congratulations by friends?
Flowers delivered to No 10 so BBC's idiot commentator Norman Smith presumes people currying favours. Why not expressions of best wishes and congratulations by friends?
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https://twitter.com/leshinton/status/753533466709458944
They will have to do some thinking and rebranding. What will they stand for when we are out?
Will be a disaster if so. Not even sure it will get through the Commons.
Last time round an inspection of candidates' emails and websites showed Corbyn was being much more efficient at channeling potential supporters (eg heavily advertised "pay £3 to vote - click here") whereas this time the NEC seem to have kiboshed him.
For balance, I also think challenging the Corbyn auto ballot decision in the courts is similar unwise and similarly doomed.
When you think of some of the total rubbish they have come up with in recent weeks, the profession has taken a huge hit.
Many manifestly have no contacts or ins to government at all. Tweets from 'senior sources' based on what they think might happen, or what they want to happen, but with no basis in truth, are common.
If the NEC said that they would use a cut off date of when they met to set the terms, that would be fair IMO. As of now loads of people who have joined to actually campaign for Labour and for Labour causes are being excluded.
Freeze dates are the normal function of the NEC.
The sooner Labour is consigned to the dustbin of history, the better.
Number 10 has just sent out a statement confirming that four cabinet ministers have been sacked this morning.
This morning the following Cabinet ministers left the Government.
Rt Hon Michael Gove MP, Lord Chancellor and Secretary of State for Justice
Rt Hon Oliver Letwin MP, Chancellor of the Duchy of Lancaster
Rt Hon John Whittingdale, Secretary of State for Culture, Media and Sport
Rt Hon Nicky Morgan MP, Secretary of State for Education and Minister for Women and Equalities
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/blog/live/2016/jul/14/theresa-may-cabinet-reshuffle-boris-johnson-philip-hammond-rules-out-emergency-budget
No Hunt.....
I did think the Labour party had a place in British politics then. A flawed, lumbering beast maybe - but definitely a place for it.
No more.
I am so aroused right now.
Theresa = The Iron Lady II!
Re: the Tories, they crowned their leader, they didn't even offer ANY members the vote (rightly in my view but then I am not the one moralising).
Re: the Liberals, under that system, Corbyn would have needed nominations, so again, this issue wouldn't have arisen.
And finally, if Corbyn hadn't been outside crowing to the press the freeze would never have passed. It was a show of hands and he had left the building!
It's not the literal north bank of the river, but the streets leading up to the Strand - Villiers to Arundel, Adams, etc that are the problem. It's fragmented and not really very nice - but lots of potential.
Or deliberate ?
IT CCHQ guy circa 2006. "Mr Barwell we are designing the new Merlin voter database system and should it have the capability to link to the internet so that canvassing and GOTV data can be input remotely to it etc".
Mr Barwell "No." (A genius at work)
(or words to that effect.)
There have been some reports that health Secretary Jeremy Hunt has been sacked from the cabinet, but the BBC understands he's likely to get another job rather than leaving government.
Javid hasn't had a phone call yet.
Greening arriving now.
Why not expressions of best wishes and congratulations by friends?
Donner und Blitzen
last year 2.13 million people migrated to Germany and 1.0 million left leaving a net influx of 1.13 million. That's some churn.
http://www.faz.net/aktuell/politik/inland/deutschland-mehr-zuwanderung-als-je-zuvor-14339969.html
Yesterday we won a huge victory for democracy. Labour's National Executive Committee (NEC) decided that Jeremy Corbyn would be on the ballot paper automatically for the leadership election.
However, the NEC did also made some rulings that could impact on your ability to vote in this crucial election.
There is still a degree of confusion and we are trying to seek greater clarity, which we’ll tell you as soon as possible. Here is what we do know:
If you joined the Labour Party after 12 January 2016:
As it stands, you will not be able to vote in the Labour leadership election. If you joined after 12 January, please complete this survey [there is a link at this point, but believe it was specific to my email - filling in the survey gives details about your membership situation so enables Momentum to contact you with advice once things are clarified] so we can keep you informed with any advice that follows. You may be able to join as a registered supporter or affiliate member (see below) to vote in the leadership contest.
If you were a registered supporter last year:
You will need to join again as either a registered supporter or affiliate member (see below) unless you joined as a full member prior to 12 January.
If you are a member of an affiliated union:
If you’re in an affiliated trade union, check to make sure you haven’t opted out of the political levy and then you can register with Labour as an affiliated member and you will be able to vote in the leadership elections. The deadline is the 8th August.
As it stands, there are two ways you can obtain a vote if you’ve been disenfranchised by the NEC's decision.
1. Join as an affiliate supporter before 8 August (likely to be the cheaper option)
You can find an affiliated trade union to join here. Providing that you don’t opt out of the political levy, you can then register with Labour as an affiliated member and you will be able to vote in the leadership elections.
2. To join as a registered supporter
It is likely that you will only be able to register between Monday 18 - Wednesday 20 July. The timetable will be confirmed tomorrow. Regrettably the cost has been raised to £25. [Note that there is no link here - not even to a holding page.]
We will let you know as soon as we know more but in the meantime, please sign up to volunteer, donate and get active. [This link is to jeremyforlabour.com]
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