Other two unions seen the wind change against Corbyn?
Len has an election next year. His only challengers will be to his left. That may explain the Unite stance through all of this.
I just wonder whether GMB and Unison may be less helpful to Corbyn than they have been up to now. Jones being pro-Trident and advocating a second Brexit referendum are big, union-friendly differentiators with Corbyn given that they agree on so much else.
Make just enough enemies to lose a confidence vote or some such (Budget eg) Have to go to the country in spring 2017 Stuff Labour and increase majority Have a bigger majority which renders her enemies impotent with new MPs ready to Yes Miss, No Miss three bags full Miss.
No, you don't want to go to the country from the weak position of losing a (genuine) confidence vote.
"In view of the serious constitutional questions my Government is addressing it is clearly inappropriate to have an Opposition front bench staffed by only 6 individuals. Since the Labour Party have been unable to remove the Leader Of The Opposition, I am calling for a General Election, and I trust the good citizens of Islington North will do their duty by the nation."
Other two unions seen the wind change against Corbyn?
Len has an election next year. His only challengers will be to his left. That may explain the Unite stance through all of this.
I just wonder whether GMB and Unison may be less helpful to Corbyn than they have been up to now. Jones being pro-Trident and advocating a second Brexit referendum are big, union-friendly differentiators with Corbyn given that they agree on so much else.
Jones?
This is the third time in two days I've seen this happen.
Other two unions seen the wind change against Corbyn?
Len has an election next year. His only challengers will be to his left. That may explain the Unite stance through all of this.
I just wonder whether GMB and Unison may be less helpful to Corbyn than they have been up to now. Jones being pro-Trident and advocating a second Brexit referendum are big, union-friendly differentiators with Corbyn given that they agree on so much else.
Jones?
This is the third time in two days I've seen this happen.
Make just enough enemies to lose a confidence vote or some such (Budget eg) Have to go to the country in spring 2017 Stuff Labour and increase majority Have a bigger majority which renders her enemies impotent with new MPs ready to Yes Miss, No Miss three bags full Miss.
No, you don't want to go to the country from the weak position of losing a (genuine) confidence vote.
Miss Plato, it does amuse me that it's 'Women and Equality'.
Has the same intellectual credibility as 'Whites and Equality'.
The Nottingham Police story is even more bonkers than you described it as being (according to today's Times) Apparently, they will treat comments like "a woman's place is in the home" or "it's her time of the month" as hate crimes, even though no criminal offence has actually been committed by making such comments. They will not attempt to prosecute such comments (presumably because the CPS would laugh at them) but will attempt something called "restorative justice".
" The Bank's network of contacts across the UK reported that "one third of business contacts they had spoken to in the week following the referendum result expected some "detrimental impact" from the result on their spending plans over the next year, the minutes said.
However, the Bank's Agents noted that there was "no clear evidence yet of a sharp slowing in activity" with many firms only beginning "to formulate new business strategies in response to the vote". "
On the Garden Bridge - I have been against it for a while - indeed I wrote a blogpost about it back in January 2015 - the vast majority of which still holds in my view.
Couple of points:
The link isn't to Temple, but to Temple Place - it's at the far Western edge of the Temple zone. The area between the Strand and the Thames (known as Northbank) has absolutely fallen behind most of the rest of London in terms of development - it really needs the kickstart of the extra footfall coming through it.
The £30m taxpayers money is planned to be used anyway on the redevelopment of Temple, so the actually difference in cost (a slightly stronger roof) isn't much
What is this, Mr. Charles? Public money to be spent on redevelopment of the Temple? Surely not, the bloody lawyers have got enough money to pay for their own building work. I must have misunderstood you. Perhaps you are talking about Temple tube station.
ANyway that stretch of the North bank West of Blackfriars Bridge down To Waterloo Bridge, even down to Westminster don't need any development, it is lovely as it is, thank you very much. Not that there is much space to develop anyway - you can't muck about with the Temple, the gardens, KCL or Somerset House.
I was meaning Temple Tube.
It's not the literal north bank of the river, but the streets leading up to the Strand - Villiers to Arundel, Adams, etc that are the problem. It's fragmented and not really very nice - but lots of potential.
Fair enough, Mr. Charles, those streets do feel a bit tatty. As long as the developers are capped at the number of stories they can build to - I would hate to see skyscrapers along that stretch. Mind you that is a fair way (in London terms) West of the Garden Bridge, which is where we started this conversation.
I wonder who owns that land between Villiers Street and Adam Street
Not sure - probably part of the Duchy of Lancaster (Savoy Estate?)
Make just enough enemies to lose a confidence vote or some such (Budget eg) Have to go to the country in spring 2017 Stuff Labour and increase majority Have a bigger majority which renders her enemies impotent with new MPs ready to Yes Miss, No Miss three bags full Miss.
She won't wait until the Spring, it'll be this year. For all that she has said "no need for an election" there are two major issues:
1. No working majority. In Cameron's first year the government was repeatedly defeated and forced into u-turns. Then we had the few months of the new parliamentary year where a queens speech with no bills in it didn't get passed without amendment. Since then we have had Tory civil war and now she is gutting out the Cameroons from the Cabinet. How will she drive through massive constitutional change with no majority? 2. No opposition. Labour about to descend into rival legal appeals which assuming we don't fall apart over that means we will have a leadership election which will make us fall apart in September.
So. No majority. No real mandate for what must be done. Her party divided, our party more divided. The promise of a Thatcher-sized landslide majority. I don't see how she won't go to the country this year.
Miss Plato, it does amuse me that it's 'Women and Equality'.
Has the same intellectual credibility as 'Whites and Equality'.
The Nottingham Police story is even more bonkers than you described it as being (according to today's Times) Apparently, they will treat comments like "a woman's place is in the home" or "it's her time of the month" as hate crimes, even though no criminal offence has actually been committed by making such comments. They will not attempt to prosecute such comments (presumably because the CPS would laugh at them) but will attempt something called "restorative justice".
Really, they are a bunch of cockweasels.
Jeez - that's beyond the outer edges of Guardianland.
Mr. F, thanks for posting that, as I don't get the Times.
That sounds demented. Nottingham Police must be doing a bloody good job, having resolved all actual crime and being forced to diversify away from law enforcement to give their officers something to do.
Make just enough enemies to lose a confidence vote or some such (Budget eg) Have to go to the country in spring 2017 Stuff Labour and increase majority Have a bigger majority which renders her enemies impotent with new MPs ready to Yes Miss, No Miss three bags full Miss.
No, you don't want to go to the country from the weak position of losing a (genuine) confidence vote.
Just heard Martin Schultz's comments on the R4 news about this being about Tory party internal politics. Since when has it been appropriate for foreign politicians to comment on the internal affairs of another democracy or am I being too sensitive?
Other two unions seen the wind change against Corbyn?
Len has an election next year. His only challengers will be to his left. That may explain the Unite stance through all of this.
I just wonder whether GMB and Unison may be less helpful to Corbyn than they have been up to now. Jones being pro-Trident and advocating a second Brexit referendum are big, union-friendly differentiators with Corbyn given that they agree on so much else.
Was Liz Truss the one who got into trouble with her Con Association in Norfolk and was branded a Tory Trollop?
Yes. But actually quite liked at Environment. That is to say, considered passable; most farmers have a natural dislike of government so any SoS starts at a disadvantage.
@bbclaurak: Sounds like Hunt is staying at health, expect to be confirmed in next few minutes - but hey, its a reshuffle, not official til its official
Was Liz Truss the one who got into trouble with her Con Association in Norfolk and was branded a Tory Trollop?
Yes. But actually quite liked at Environment. That is to say, considered passable; most farmers have a natural dislike of government so any SoS starts at a disadvantage.
I thought she did a great job in Beijing, opening up new pork markets...
Ed Conway "some people will be saying that Carney has mislead the markets again" over interest rates.
Better to delay things until you see the real situation rather than acting in haste. When it comes to interest rate drops after 7 years of static rates you don't want to have to repent....
@bbclaurak: Sounds like Hunt is staying at health, expect to be confirmed in next few minutes - but hey, its a reshuffle, not official til its official
Well the journos either were wrong or are wrong...
Just heard Martin Schultz's comments on the R4 news about this being about Tory party internal politics. Since when has it been appropriate for foreign politicians to comment on the internal affairs of another democracy or am I being too sensitive?
Make just enough enemies to lose a confidence vote or some such (Budget eg) Have to go to the country in spring 2017 Stuff Labour and increase majority Have a bigger majority which renders her enemies impotent with new MPs ready to Yes Miss, No Miss three bags full Miss.
She won't wait until the Spring, it'll be this year. For all that she has said "no need for an election" there are two major issues:
1. No working majority. In Cameron's first year the government was repeatedly defeated and forced into u-turns. Then we had the few months of the new parliamentary year where a queens speech with no bills in it didn't get passed without amendment. Since then we have had Tory civil war and now she is gutting out the Cameroons from the Cabinet. How will she drive through massive constitutional change with no majority? 2. No opposition. Labour about to descend into rival legal appeals which assuming we don't fall apart over that means we will have a leadership election which will make us fall apart in September.
So. No majority. No real mandate for what must be done. Her party divided, our party more divided. The promise of a Thatcher-sized landslide majority. I don't see how she won't go to the country this year.
Just heard Martin Schultz's comments on the R4 news about this being about Tory party internal politics. Since when has it been appropriate for foreign politicians to comment on the internal affairs of another democracy or am I being too sensitive?
Yes. If we're a proper democracy then anyone should be able to comment on or criticise our government.
it would have meant pound falling further also it is a wait and see what happens in the real economy move. They won't be worried about rising inflation yet because inflation is too low at the moment meaning debt becomes bigger.
Just heard Martin Schultz's comments on the R4 news about this being about Tory party internal politics. Since when has it been appropriate for foreign politicians to comment on the internal affairs of another democracy or am I being too sensitive?
He and Juncker are on their way out if Merkel gets her way. Lot of anger in EU over their roles in Brexit
Just heard Martin Schultz's comments on the R4 news about this being about Tory party internal politics. Since when has it been appropriate for foreign politicians to comment on the internal affairs of another democracy or am I being too sensitive?
Yes. If we're a proper democracy then anyone should be able to comment on or criticise our government.
Just heard Martin Schultz's comments on the R4 news about this being about Tory party internal politics. Since when has it been appropriate for foreign politicians to comment on the internal affairs of another democracy or am I being too sensitive?
He wasn't talking to us. So, a bit rude, but not unexpected. We've just shaved the thick end of a percent off the EZ growth forecasts for the next two years. We can't expect them to be turning cartwheels. They think we're vandals who should have simply reformed our welfare system.
On the Garden Bridge - I have been against it for a while - indeed I wrote a blogpost about it back in January 2015 - the vast majority of which still holds in my view.
Couple of points:
The link isn't to Temple, but to Temple Place - it's at the far Western edge of the Temple zone. The area between the Strand and the Thames (known as Northbank) has absolutely fallen behind most of the rest of London in terms of development - it really needs the kickstart of the extra footfall coming through it.
The £30m taxpayers money is planned to be used anyway on the redevelopment of Temple, so the actually difference in cost (a slightly stronger roof) isn't much
What is this, Mr. Charles? Public money to be spent on redevelopment of the Temple? Surely not, the bloody lawyers have got enough money to pay for their own building work. I must have misunderstood you. Perhaps you are talking about Temple tube station.
ANyway that stretch of the North bank West of Blackfriars Bridge down To Waterloo Bridge, even down to Westminster don't need any development, it is lovely as it is, thank you very much. Not that there is much space to develop anyway - you can't muck about with the Temple, the gardens, KCL or Somerset House.
I was meaning Temple Tube.
It's not the literal north bank of the river, but the streets leading up to the Strand - Villiers to Arundel, Adams, etc that are the problem. It's fragmented and not really very nice - but lots of potential.
Fair enough, Mr. Charles, those streets do feel a bit tatty. As long as the developers are capped at the number of stories they can build to - I would hate to see skyscrapers along that stretch. Mind you that is a fair way (in London terms) West of the Garden Bridge, which is where we started this conversation.
I wonder who owns that land between Villiers Street and Adam Street
Geographically, of course, the points we have discussed are at the two extremes - Villers [Embankment Tube] to Arundel [next to Temple Tube] and up to the Strand pretty much encompasses the North Bank
Ed Conway "some people will be saying that Carney has mislead the markets again" over interest rates.
Better to delay things until you see the real situation rather than acting in haste. When it comes to interest rate drops after 7 years of static rates you don't want to have to repent....
more likely he voted for a cut but wasn't backed by the others- he will have to go soon.
Make just enough enemies to lose a confidence vote or some such (Budget eg) Have to go to the country in spring 2017 Stuff Labour and increase majority Have a bigger majority which renders her enemies impotent with new MPs ready to Yes Miss, No Miss three bags full Miss.
She won't wait until the Spring, it'll be this year. For all that she has said "no need for an election" there are two major issues:
1. No working majority. In Cameron's first year the government was repeatedly defeated and forced into u-turns. Then we had the few months of the new parliamentary year where a queens speech with no bills in it didn't get passed without amendment. Since then we have had Tory civil war and now she is gutting out the Cameroons from the Cabinet. How will she drive through massive constitutional change with no majority? 2. No opposition. Labour about to descend into rival legal appeals which assuming we don't fall apart over that means we will have a leadership election which will make us fall apart in September.
So. No majority. No real mandate for what must be done. Her party divided, our party more divided. The promise of a Thatcher-sized landslide majority. I don't see how she won't go to the country this year.
I gather Labour is very short of money too.
How much does an election cost to hold.... £1million or more...
" The Bank's network of contacts across the UK reported that "one third of business contacts they had spoken to in the week following the referendum result expected some "detrimental impact" from the result on their spending plans over the next year, the minutes said.
However, the Bank's Agents noted that there was "no clear evidence yet of a sharp slowing in activity" with many firms only beginning "to formulate new business strategies in response to the vote". "
Can we note that that is about the *expectations* of business contacts; it isn't about objective, quantifiable financial data. Those expectations are based mainly - I assume - on expectations as to how the politics are going to pan out. We can hope that perhaps the top 5% of those polled base their political expectations on a close reading of PB.com. The rest don't and their political opinions are no more informed than anyone else's. This sort of survey is therefore a lot too close for comfort to being a voodoo poll disguised as something else, and a million miles away from being real data.
Not grinding any axe at all here, just pleading for a bit of epistemological rigour.
Was Liz Truss the one who got into trouble with her Con Association in Norfolk and was branded a Tory Trollop?
Yes. But actually quite liked at Environment. That is to say, considered passable; most farmers have a natural dislike of government so any SoS starts at a disadvantage.
I've seen her a few times on QT and thought she was quite good. These Con associations in Norfolk are an odd bunch.
Just heard Martin Schultz's comments on the R4 news about this being about Tory party internal politics. Since when has it been appropriate for foreign politicians to comment on the internal affairs of another democracy or am I being too sensitive?
Yes. If we're a proper democracy then anyone should be able to comment on or criticise our government.
Fair enough I suppose but still a bit non-U I'd have thought.
Make just enough enemies to lose a confidence vote or some such (Budget eg) Have to go to the country in spring 2017 Stuff Labour and increase majority Have a bigger majority which renders her enemies impotent with new MPs ready to Yes Miss, No Miss three bags full Miss.
She won't wait until the Spring, it'll be this year. For all that she has said "no need for an election" there are two major issues:
1. No working majority. In Cameron's first year the government was repeatedly defeated and forced into u-turns. Then we had the few months of the new parliamentary year where a queens speech with no bills in it didn't get passed without amendment. Since then we have had Tory civil war and now she is gutting out the Cameroons from the Cabinet. How will she drive through massive constitutional change with no majority? 2. No opposition. Labour about to descend into rival legal appeals which assuming we don't fall apart over that means we will have a leadership election which will make us fall apart in September.
So. No majority. No real mandate for what must be done. Her party divided, our party more divided. The promise of a Thatcher-sized landslide majority. I don't see how she won't go to the country this year.
I gather Labour is very short of money too.
How much does an election cost to hold.... £1million or more...
Much more than £1m in the local authorities who run the 650 elections.
Miss Plato, it does amuse me that it's 'Women and Equality'.
Has the same intellectual credibility as 'Whites and Equality'.
Indeed. Wonder what Truss will do about females in prison...
I'm gutted about Gove's departure re Justice - he'd a great agenda and now gone. I hope from the backbenches that he pushes hard on this.
I wish they'd called it "Education & Equal Opportunities"
Education & Opportunities would be even better.... After 40 years the equal bit really doesn't need to be there (sadly I know it does).. It also works better as an incentive
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I'm gutted about Gove's departure re Justice - he'd a great agenda and now gone. I hope from the backbenches that he pushes hard on this.
be fair
Matron !!!!!!!!
Now where's that briefing note.
OWEN JONES IS NOT STANDING.
Or that the plan just boils down to *fingers crossed the majority holds until 2019/20*
Really, they are a bunch of cockweasels.
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The Bank's network of contacts across the UK reported that "one third of business contacts they had spoken to in the week following the referendum result expected some "detrimental impact" from the result on their spending plans over the next year, the minutes said.
However, the Bank's Agents noted that there was "no clear evidence yet of a sharp slowing in activity" with many firms only beginning "to formulate new business strategies in response to the vote".
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Or would you end up swinging from a lamp post somewhere if you were to try such a move.
1. No working majority. In Cameron's first year the government was repeatedly defeated and forced into u-turns. Then we had the few months of the new parliamentary year where a queens speech with no bills in it didn't get passed without amendment. Since then we have had Tory civil war and now she is gutting out the Cameroons from the Cabinet. How will she drive through massive constitutional change with no majority?
2. No opposition. Labour about to descend into rival legal appeals which assuming we don't fall apart over that means we will have a leadership election which will make us fall apart in September.
So. No majority. No real mandate for what must be done. Her party divided, our party more divided. The promise of a Thatcher-sized landslide majority. I don't see how she won't go to the country this year.
That sounds demented. Nottingham Police must be doing a bloody good job, having resolved all actual crime and being forced to diversify away from law enforcement to give their officers something to do.
Suggestion now that @Jeremy_Hunt is actuallu STAYING at health. Expecting confirmation soon.
Excellent trolling of media and drs by new PM
She's made a strategic choice - May is not 'Continuity Cameron' - so some sackings were inevitable - I don't think she's been excessive.
Who? Some Cameron chap
I suspect we'll have about 20 trade deals on the table and ready to go by the time we LEAVE.
Not grinding any axe at all here, just pleading for a bit of epistemological rigour.
@bbclaurak: Lots and lots of changes, this is more like a new govt after an election than a reshuffle
NEW THREAD NEW THREAD
We are still watching the new Government emerge.
Deep breaths and just wait and see.
We can add him to 'French Foreign Minister who isn't a diplomat'......
Education leads to Opportunities...
First big day in the tour imo.