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Vale Dave.0
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Right now I'm doing my best to not cry like a disgraced televangelist0
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He's a class act and will be missed0
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Security like Celtic.0
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Permission for top lip to wobble; granted.TheScreamingEagles said:I'm doing my best to not cry like a disgraced televangelist
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Go Cam! (in the good way!)0
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Phew....DaemonBarber said:
Permission for top lip to wobble; granted.TheScreamingEagles said:I'm doing my best to not cry like a disgraced televangelist
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A good PM stabbed in the back by people like Plato who a year ago went round asking people to vote for him as PM0
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In 1970 I stood there in Downing St watching Wilson leave and Heath arrive. In those days Downing St was open and you could walk in from Whitehall and down the steps at the back without hindrance.
Cameron is a class act.0 -
He could've campaigned for Leave. That was his own choice. Besides you don't campaign for a PM you campaign for a local MP that's why May doesn't need to call an election.MarkSenior said:A good PM stabbed in the back by people like Plato who a year ago went round asking people to vote for him as PM
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Will Sam Cam have any parting shots for media like Cherie did?0
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The tragedy of it is, he did it to himself.MarkSenior said:A good PM stabbed in the back by people like Plato who a year ago went round asking people to vote for him as PM
Nobody made him do a half-arsed renegotiation.
Nobody made him attempt to sell his half-arsed renegotiation as the best thing since sliced bread.0 -
Class must run in the family. Sam Cam has been an exemplary PM’s wife throughout .0
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If only he'd have remained neutral in the EUref campaign, he would still be PM.0
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The problem for me with so much of new labour and the Lib Dems is how so many of them only really object to Ukip and the Tory right. I simply can't understand how a Lib Dem can think Cameron has been a good PM.MarkSenior said:A good PM stabbed in the back by people like Plato who a year ago went round asking people to vote for him as PM
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and the Conservative Party had no official position, so very hard to view that as a backstab.nunu said:
He could've campaigned for Leave. That was his own choice.MarkSenior said:A good PM stabbed in the back by people like Plato who a year ago went round asking people to vote for him as PM
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Now we're following the team coach to Wembley
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He campaigned for what he thought ( and time will show ) was best for the country .nunu said:
He could've campaigned for Leave. That was his own choice.MarkSenior said:A good PM stabbed in the back by people like Plato who a year ago went round asking people to vote for him as PM
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The entire referendum was his choice...nunu said:
He could've campaigned for Leave. That was his own choice. Besides you don't campaign for a PM you campaign for a local MP that's why May doesn't need to call an election.MarkSenior said:A good PM stabbed in the back by people like Plato who a year ago went round asking people to vote for him as PM
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This.DaemonBarber said:He's a class act and will be missed
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We'll never know what might have been, we just have to make the most of it now.MarkSenior said:
He campaigned for what he thought ( and time will show ) was best for the country .nunu said:
He could've campaigned for Leave. That was his own choice.MarkSenior said:A good PM stabbed in the back by people like Plato who a year ago went round asking people to vote for him as PM
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Exactly. He tried to play the Brits for fools. His downfall was entirely self-inflicted.ThreeQuidder said:
The tragedy of it is, he did it to himself.MarkSenior said:A good PM stabbed in the back by people like Plato who a year ago went round asking people to vote for him as PM
Nobody made him do a half-arsed renegotiation.
Nobody made him attempt to sell his half-arsed renegotiation as the best thing since sliced bread.0 -
True.Sunil_Prasannan said:If only he'd have remained neutral in the EUref campaign, he would still be PM.
Someone on PB did warn him in an article about that Harold Wilson matter.........
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I'm really quite emotional about all this. I have ranted and railed at times, but I was "with him" generally from day 1 when Howard announced he was quitting. That's 11 years ago, and that's more than a quarter of my lifetime.DaemonBarber said:
Permission for top lip to wobble; granted.TheScreamingEagles said:I'm doing my best to not cry like a disgraced televangelist
What a stupid, stupid waste of a generally sound Premiership.0 -
This, also.KentRising said:
This.DaemonBarber said:He's a class act and will be missed
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If he'd campaigned for Leave, he'd have won it by a landslide and would have been untouchable.0
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He doesn't believe in leaving the EU.KentRising said:If he'd campaigned for Leave, he'd have won it by a landslide and would have been untouchable.
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Quite right.MarkSenior said:
He campaigned for what he thought ( and time will show ) was best for the country .nunu said:
He could've campaigned for Leave. That was his own choice.MarkSenior said:A good PM stabbed in the back by people like Plato who a year ago went round asking people to vote for him as PM
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Maybe Osborne persuaded him it was the smart thing to do? Ironic?ThreeQuidder said:
The tragedy of it is, he did it to himself.MarkSenior said:A good PM stabbed in the back by people like Plato who a year ago went round asking people to vote for him as PM
Nobody made him do a half-arsed renegotiation.
Nobody made him attempt to sell his half-arsed renegotiation as the best thing since sliced bread.
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Well, clearly the best PM of the past half-century, apart from Maggie of course, despite a spot of trouble at the end. Still, can't be sentimental: politics is a ruthless game. On to the next one, let's hope she's as good. I'm quite optimistic, I think she's a good fit for the challenges ahead. She will be very much her own woman. It won't be Continuity Cameron in style, personnel or policy. We shall see how it turns out.0
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Don't forget he was leaving anyway and would not have reach the end of this term.Bob__Sykes said:
I'm really quite emotional about all this. I have ranted and railed at times, but I was "with him" generally from day 1 when Howard announced he was quitting. That's 11 years ago, and that's more than a quarter of my lifetime.DaemonBarber said:
Permission for top lip to wobble; granted.TheScreamingEagles said:I'm doing my best to not cry like a disgraced televangelist
What a stupid, stupid waste of a generally sound Premiership.0 -
Exactly. Like SeanT said in the end you don't fuck with the British.HurstLlama said:
Exactly. He tried to play the Brits for fools. His downfall was entirely self-inflicted.ThreeQuidder said:
The tragedy of it is, he did it to himself.MarkSenior said:A good PM stabbed in the back by people like Plato who a year ago went round asking people to vote for him as PM
Nobody made him do a half-arsed renegotiation.
Nobody made him attempt to sell his half-arsed renegotiation as the best thing since sliced bread.0 -
Indeed, it's a waste.Bob__Sykes said:
I'm really quite emotional about all this. I have ranted and railed at times, but I was "with him" generally from day 1 when Howard announced he was quitting. That's 11 years ago, and that's more than a quarter of my lifetime.DaemonBarber said:
Permission for top lip to wobble; granted.TheScreamingEagles said:I'm doing my best to not cry like a disgraced televangelist
What a stupid, stupid waste of a generally sound Premiership.
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He wanted his legacy to include securing the UK's place in Europe and killing off the issue for a generation. That was entirely noble, and probably achievable if he'd only got a bit more out of his negotiation and if Labour had a moderate likeable leader going all out to campaign for "Remain".KentRising said:If he'd campaigned for Leave, he'd have won it by a landslide and would have been untouchable.
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Then he should have said so from the outset and not given us all that I am prepared to lead us out if we don't get the right deal guff.Jobabob said:
He doesn't believe in leaving the EU.KentRising said:If he'd campaigned for Leave, he'd have won it by a landslide and would have been untouchable.
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Agree - I think Mrs May's work ethic will stand us in good stead, and God help any ministerial slackers.Richard_Nabavi said:Well, clearly the best PM of the past half-century, apart from Maggie of course, despite a spot of trouble at the end. Still, can't be sentimental: politics is a ruthless game. On to the next one, let's hope she's as good. I'm quite optimistic, I think she's a good fit for the challenges ahead, and will be very much her own woman. It won't be Continuity Cameron in style, personnel or policy. We shall see how it turns out.
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Good riddance to a man who first tried to bounce the public into voting away their future, then tried to scare and bully them into doing so. He disgraced his office and his departure is a very good thing.0
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For a moment watching David Cameron with his family on the steps of Downing Street I felt quite sorry for him...then I pulled myself together and thought, what a complete and utter arse you have to be to have let yourself get to this position...in a moment that sympathy evaporated0
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And those.Tissue_Price said:
Because "I agree" would be making it too easy.0 -
Earl of Rosenburg !!!! The immortal Kaye Burley.0
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Looking forward to his diaries covering the past few months...TCPoliticalBetting said:
Maybe Osborne persuaded him it was the smart thing to do? Ironic?ThreeQuidder said:
The tragedy of it is, he did it to himself.MarkSenior said:A good PM stabbed in the back by people like Plato who a year ago went round asking people to vote for him as PM
Nobody made him do a half-arsed renegotiation.
Nobody made him attempt to sell his half-arsed renegotiation as the best thing since sliced bread.0 -
So it is Osborne who caused his downfall.TCPoliticalBetting said:
Maybe Osborne persuaded him it was the smart thing to do? Ironic?ThreeQuidder said:
The tragedy of it is, he did it to himself.MarkSenior said:A good PM stabbed in the back by people like Plato who a year ago went round asking people to vote for him as PM
Nobody made him do a half-arsed renegotiation.
Nobody made him attempt to sell his half-arsed renegotiation as the best thing since sliced bread.0 -
Time will tell if he was telling the truthrunnymede said:Good riddance to a man who first tried to bounce the public into voting away their future, then tried to scare and bully them into doing so. He disgraced his office and his departure is a very good thing.
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FPT:
This will actually be a good thing. Cameron's habit of ignoring the question and turning PMQs into an Oxford Union debating-society 'game' - which was precisely the opposite of what he promised he would do with PMQs when he was LOTO - was one of his least attractive features.John_M said:One thing we can confidently predict: PMQs are going to return to dreary, earnest questions with tractor statistic replies.
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Agreed. the little Englanders had the last laugh. see ya Dave!runnymede said:Good riddance to a man who first tried to bounce the public into voting away their future, then tried to scare and bully them into doing so. He disgraced his office and his departure is a very good thing.
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Yup, I'll agree with that.Richard_Nabavi said:Well, clearly the best PM of the past half-century, apart from Maggie of course, despite a spot of trouble at the end. Still, can't be sentimental: politics is a ruthless game. On to the next one, let's hope she's as good. I'm quite optimistic, I think she's a good fit for the challenges ahead. She will be very much her own woman. It won't be Continuity Cameron in style, personnel or policy. We shall see how it turns out.
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Agreed.Richard_Nabavi said:Well, clearly the best PM of the past half-century, apart from Maggie of course, despite a spot of trouble at the end. Still, can't be sentimental: politics is a ruthless game. On to the next one, let's hope she's as good. I'm quite optimistic, I think she's a good fit for the challenges ahead. She will be very much her own woman. It won't be Continuity Cameron in style, personnel or policy. We shall see how it turns out.
I shall give the new May administration a fair wind ....
Wind being my specialty ....
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KentRising said:
If he'd campaigned for Leave, he'd have won it by a landslide and would have been untouchable.
Agreed. And we would have a better Brexit team with Remain ministers like Johnson, Gove and Leadsom in position.
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It is quite something how many British Tory PMs have - in the end - been destroyed by the EU issue: Thatcher, Major, Cameron i.e. all of them since Heath who took us in.Bob__Sykes said:
I'm really quite emotional about all this. I have ranted and railed at times, but I was "with him" generally from day 1 when Howard announced he was quitting. That's 11 years ago, and that's more than a quarter of my lifetime.DaemonBarber said:
Permission for top lip to wobble; granted.TheScreamingEagles said:I'm doing my best to not cry like a disgraced televangelist
What a stupid, stupid waste of a generally sound Premiership.
And how many other Tory leaders/would be leaders have had to or felt they needed to define themselves around the EU issue: Clarke, Portillo, IDS, Hague.
It is odd that the EU issue has been so toxic for the Tories when - arguably - it is Labour voters who have felt more of the disadvantages of being in the EU.
Discuss.........
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One aspect of these PM changeovers I enjoy is the shots from the Buck House courtyard, rarely otherwise seen - having walked through there and briefly into and back out of the Palace myself when I went to a Duke of Edinburgh's Award garden party as a teenager - before the days when anyone could get a ticket to go in and look around in the summer hols.... :-)0
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Dave was a real gambler as PM.
If he'd have won the EURef then he'd have been (rightly) triumphant.
But the bigger the stakes are, the more there is to lose.
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Had he been able (by overcoming his prior faux scepticism) to run a more positive Remain campaign, not solely based on trying to frighten people on the economy, and also authorised a more robust demolition of the nonsense being spouted by the Tory leaver brigade, he would also still be PM, having won the referendum, as was always his intention.Jobabob said:
He doesn't believe in leaving the EU.KentRising said:If he'd campaigned for Leave, he'd have won it by a landslide and would have been untouchable.
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Osborne didn't want Cameron to offer a referendum in the first place.TCPoliticalBetting said:
Maybe Osborne persuaded him it was the smart thing to do? Ironic?ThreeQuidder said:
The tragedy of it is, he did it to himself.MarkSenior said:A good PM stabbed in the back by people like Plato who a year ago went round asking people to vote for him as PM
Nobody made him do a half-arsed renegotiation.
Nobody made him attempt to sell his half-arsed renegotiation as the best thing since sliced bread.0 -
One thing I approved of about David Cameron is that he kept his children away from publicity, unlike Tony Blair. So I guess they find set pieces like their father's departure speech difficult. They look completely traumatised in the photos.0
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Cameron is a nice man but as a country we have to move on from being governed by the 7%.0
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Also is the main PB site down?0
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Too young (31) to remember Major's term much, so Cameron is certainly the best PM I can remember, by a long way. Blair and Brown both dreadful in their same and different ways.Richard_Nabavi said:Well, clearly the best PM of the past half-century, apart from Maggie of course, despite a spot of trouble at the end. Still, can't be sentimental: politics is a ruthless game. On to the next one, let's hope she's as good. I'm quite optimistic, I think she's a good fit for the challenges ahead. She will be very much her own woman. It won't be Continuity Cameron in style, personnel or policy. We shall see how it turns out.
Due to Blair v Brown, I grew up thinking the PM must always be at odds with the CofE. Dave and Osborne showed how it should be done. Grown-up government.0 -
Ma’am, lock the front gates while you still have control.0
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Judging by what he's like in public I doubt he tells the truth in his diaries eitherMarqueeMark said:
Looking forward to his diaries covering the past few months...TCPoliticalBetting said:
Maybe Osborne persuaded him it was the smart thing to do? Ironic?ThreeQuidder said:
The tragedy of it is, he did it to himself.MarkSenior said:A good PM stabbed in the back by people like Plato who a year ago went round asking people to vote for him as PM
Nobody made him do a half-arsed renegotiation.
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How can anyone seriously put "better" in the same sentence as Johnson and Leadsom? Without being followed by the words "out of it"?David_Evershed said:KentRising said:If he'd campaigned for Leave, he'd have won it by a landslide and would have been untouchable.
Agreed. And we would have a better Brexit team with Remain ministers like Johnson, Gove and Leadsom in position.0 -
Possibly. I'm beginning to wonder if the referendum was lost for Remain long before the renegotiation, that it was used as a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity by many voters to give an "Up Yours" to a way of governing that lots of people had been sotto voce grumbling about for years, a feeling that government (both British/EU) had become a conspiracy against the people rather than the servants of the people.Bob__Sykes said:
He wanted his legacy to include securing the UK's place in Europe and killing off the issue for a generation. That was entirely noble, and probably achievable if he'd only got a bit more out of his negotiation and if Labour had a moderate likeable leader going all out to campaign for "Remain".KentRising said:If he'd campaigned for Leave, he'd have won it by a landslide and would have been untouchable.
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"Osborne didn't want Cameron to offer a referendum in the first place."TheScreamingEagles said:
Osborne didn't want Cameron to offer a referendum in the first place.TCPoliticalBetting said:
Maybe Osborne persuaded him it was the smart thing to do? Ironic?ThreeQuidder said:
The tragedy of it is, he did it to himself.MarkSenior said:A good PM stabbed in the back by people like Plato who a year ago went round asking people to vote for him as PM
Nobody made him do a half-arsed renegotiation.
Nobody made him attempt to sell his half-arsed renegotiation as the best thing since sliced bread.
Which would have led to either a massresignation, blocking of bills or Leadership challenge and defeat at GE2015.
The strategy and tactics for this referendum had Osborne's hand all over them apart from the bits Cameron decided. Between the pair of them they lost the referendum and the manner of their campaign forced Cameron to resign.0 -
Blair clearly better than Cameron.Richard_Nabavi said:Well, clearly the best PM of the past half-century, apart from Maggie of course, despite a spot of trouble at the end. Still, can't be sentimental: politics is a ruthless game. On to the next one, let's hope she's as good. I'm quite optimistic, I think she's a good fit for the challenges ahead. She will be very much her own woman. It won't be Continuity Cameron in style, personnel or policy. We shall see how it turns out.
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He can't have realised it was betting the farm at odds of roughly 50% or he wouldn't have taken it ... would he?Pulpstar said:Dave was a real gambler as PM.
If he'd have won the EURef then he'd have been (rightly) triumphant.
But the bigger the stakes are, the more there is to lose.
And when you bet the farm and lose, is that really deserving of sympathy ?
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That is one of the best things about her. You won't find her playing video games in the Downing Street flat.CarlottaVance said:
Agree - I think Mrs May's work ethic will stand us in good stead, and God help any ministerial slackers.Richard_Nabavi said:Well, clearly the best PM of the past half-century, apart from Maggie of course, despite a spot of trouble at the end. Still, can't be sentimental: politics is a ruthless game. On to the next one, let's hope she's as good. I'm quite optimistic, I think she's a good fit for the challenges ahead, and will be very much her own woman. It won't be Continuity Cameron in style, personnel or policy. We shall see how it turns out.
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Not really. He's got to the very top. He's been party leader for ten years. He was due to depart in the next couple of years anyway. OK, it's not quite the exit route which he'd pencilled in, and it's no doubt a blow to his pride, but he and his family are hardly going to be scrabbling around struggling to pay the bills. It's politics: anyone who goes into it and gets near the top knows that the rug can be pulled from under their feet at any time. He must also have come to the point where it was all getting to be just too much, insulted from all sides whatever he did. He deserves a nice long expensive holiday with Sam.Pulpstar said:And when you bet the farm and lose, is that really deserving of sympathy ?
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Blair and Brown were not really at odds over policy, just on resignation dates. For bare-knuckle fights over the fundamentals of economic and (and European) policy, you have to go back to Conservative governments, esp Thatcher vs Lawson.KentRising said:
Too young (31) to remember Major's term much, so Cameron is certainly the best PM I can remember, by a long way. Blair and Brown both dreadful in their same and different ways.Richard_Nabavi said:Well, clearly the best PM of the past half-century, apart from Maggie of course, despite a spot of trouble at the end. Still, can't be sentimental: politics is a ruthless game. On to the next one, let's hope she's as good. I'm quite optimistic, I think she's a good fit for the challenges ahead. She will be very much her own woman. It won't be Continuity Cameron in style, personnel or policy. We shall see how it turns out.
Due to Blair v Brown, I grew up thinking the PM must always be at odds with the CofE. Dave and Osborne showed how it should be done. Grown-up government.0 -
Now, looking to the future; does anyone know what TM's attitude is to cats? We saw a picture on here earlier with Cameron seeming to discuss policy with Larry on his lap (a photo, which had it been publicised a month ago, might have swung the referendum result his way). Which way will the new Prime Minister swing? Will she be pro-Larry or will she be the Cruella de Vill as per that slot-gobbed, money-grabbing, old trout a la Mrs Blair.0
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May be it is more to do with Conservatives having pride in the country as an independent nation therefore sovereignty matters more to them.Cyclefree said:
It is quite something how many British Tory PMs have - in the end - been destroyed by the EU issue: Thatcher, Major, Cameron i.e. all of them since Heath who took us in.Bob__Sykes said:
I'm really quite emotional about all this. I have ranted and railed at times, but I was "with him" generally from day 1 when Howard announced he was quitting. That's 11 years ago, and that's more than a quarter of my lifetime.DaemonBarber said:
Permission for top lip to wobble; granted.TheScreamingEagles said:I'm doing my best to not cry like a disgraced televangelist
What a stupid, stupid waste of a generally sound Premiership.
And how many other Tory leaders/would be leaders have had to or felt they needed to define themselves around the EU issue: Clarke, Portillo, IDS, Hague. It is odd that the EU issue has been so toxic for the Tories when - arguably - it is Labour voters who have felt more of the disadvantages of being in the EU. Discuss.........
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That's a very low comment.DanSmith said:
Blair clearly better than Cameron.Richard_Nabavi said:Well, clearly the best PM of the past half-century, apart from Maggie of course, despite a spot of trouble at the end. Still, can't be sentimental: politics is a ruthless game. On to the next one, let's hope she's as good. I'm quite optimistic, I think she's a good fit for the challenges ahead. She will be very much her own woman. It won't be Continuity Cameron in style, personnel or policy. We shall see how it turns out.
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Blair was also undone by Foreign Policy don't forget. It doesn't usually kill politicians with the electorate but it can be a b***** within parliamentary parties.Cyclefree said:
It is quite something how many British Tory PMs have - in the end - been destroyed by the EU issue: Thatcher, Major, Cameron i.e. all of them since Heath who took us in.Bob__Sykes said:
I'm really quite emotional about all this. I have ranted and railed at times, but I was "with him" generally from day 1 when Howard announced he was quitting. That's 11 years ago, and that's more than a quarter of my lifetime.DaemonBarber said:
Permission for top lip to wobble; granted.TheScreamingEagles said:I'm doing my best to not cry like a disgraced televangelist
What a stupid, stupid waste of a generally sound Premiership.
And how many other Tory leaders/would be leaders have had to or felt they needed to define themselves around the EU issue: Clarke, Portillo, IDS, Hague.
It is odd that the EU issue has been so toxic for the Tories when - arguably - it is Labour voters who have felt more of the disadvantages of being in the EU.
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Or May might turn out to be similar to the Cat Lady from the SimpsonsHurstLlama said:Now, looking to the future; does anyone know what TM's attitude is to cats? We saw a picture on here earlier with Cameron seeming to discuss policy with Larry on his lap (a photo, which had it been publicised a month ago, might have swung the referendum result his way). Which way will the new Prime Minister swing? Will she be pro-Larry or will she be the Cruella de Vill as per that slot-gobbed, money-grabbing, old trout a la Mrs Blair.
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I hope Cameron learns from Major rather than Blair how to be an ex-Prime Minister.0
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No. It was inflicted by the EU obsessives within his own party who demanded a referendum. Many of the same guys who stabbed Major in the back.HurstLlama said:
Exactly. He tried to play the Brits for fools. His downfall was entirely self-inflicted.ThreeQuidder said:
The tragedy of it is, he did it to himself.MarkSenior said:A good PM stabbed in the back by people like Plato who a year ago went round asking people to vote for him as PM
Nobody made him do a half-arsed renegotiation.
Nobody made him attempt to sell his half-arsed renegotiation as the best thing since sliced bread.
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She won't care to get fur all over that designer apparel. Larry's next serious moult will be his last in Downing St.HurstLlama said:Now, looking to the future; does anyone know what TM's attitude is to cats? We saw a picture on here earlier with Cameron seeming to discuss policy with Larry on his lap (a photo, which had it been publicised a month ago, might have swung the referendum result his way). Which way will the new Prime Minister swing? Will she be pro-Larry or will she be the Cruella de Vill as per that slot-gobbed, money-grabbing, old trout a la Mrs Blair.
And as for hacking a furball up into the shoes...0 -
Da Queen, actuallyDavid_Evershed said:
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Yeah a referendum about the EU (loathed to at best tolerated by 90% of people) is like giving someone the first punch. Too bloody right the public weren't going to miss out on that opportunity.Cyclefree said:Possibly. I'm beginning to wonder if the referendum was lost for Remain long before the renegotiation, that it was used as a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity by many voters to give an "Up Yours" to a way of governing that lots of people had been sotto voce grumbling about for years, a feeling that government (both British/EU) had become a conspiracy against the people rather than the servants of the people.
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Right. I'm fine if it's done on merit. I wouldn't want someone worse being PM just because they aren't privately educated, for instance.AndyJS said:0 -
Cameron did refer to Larry as 'it' rather than 'him'HurstLlama said:Now, looking to the future; does anyone know what TM's attitude is to cats? We saw a picture on here earlier with Cameron seeming to discuss policy with Larry on his lap (a photo, which had it been publicised a month ago, might have swung the referendum result his way). Which way will the new Prime Minister swing? Will she be pro-Larry or will she be the Cruella de Vill as per that slot-gobbed, money-grabbing, old trout a la Mrs Blair.
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May is QEII's 13th PM, being appointed on 13th day of the month....0
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Major called LEAVERs rude names during the Campaign, didn't he?Cyclefree said:I hope Cameron learns from Major rather than Blair how to be an ex-Prime Minister.
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Do we have to be subjected to Nick Witchell wittering on? Fair enough for coverage of the Queen's birthday or something, but this is politics. It just happens to be at the Palace...0
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To be fair, it was Jayne Secker.frpenkridge said:Earl of Rosenburg !!!! The immortal Kaye Burley.
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Chilcott was *last week*, man.DanSmith said:
Blair clearly better than Cameron.Richard_Nabavi said:Well, clearly the best PM of the past half-century, apart from Maggie of course, despite a spot of trouble at the end. Still, can't be sentimental: politics is a ruthless game. On to the next one, let's hope she's as good. I'm quite optimistic, I think she's a good fit for the challenges ahead. She will be very much her own woman. It won't be Continuity Cameron in style, personnel or policy. We shall see how it turns out.
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Give it a rest, it's not as if she's unique in that.MarkSenior said:A good PM stabbed in the back by people like Plato who a year ago went round asking people to vote for him as PM
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The referendum was less than three weeks ago.............BannedInParis said:
Chilcott was *last week*, man.DanSmith said:
Blair clearly better than Cameron.Richard_Nabavi said:Well, clearly the best PM of the past half-century, apart from Maggie of course, despite a spot of trouble at the end. Still, can't be sentimental: politics is a ruthless game. On to the next one, let's hope she's as good. I'm quite optimistic, I think she's a good fit for the challenges ahead. She will be very much her own woman. It won't be Continuity Cameron in style, personnel or policy. We shall see how it turns out.
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More Catbert, I suspect.RobD said:
Or May might turn out to be similar to the Cat Lady from the SimpsonsHurstLlama said:Now, looking to the future; does anyone know what TM's attitude is to cats? We saw a picture on here earlier with Cameron seeming to discuss policy with Larry on his lap (a photo, which had it been publicised a month ago, might have swung the referendum result his way). Which way will the new Prime Minister swing? Will she be pro-Larry or will she be the Cruella de Vill as per that slot-gobbed, money-grabbing, old trout a la Mrs Blair.
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On average they ought to make up no more than 7% of MPs, ministers etc. Not bag most of the top jobs. Until that's fixed don't expect the public to like them.AndyJS said:0 -
I would say Heath was also destroyed by the Europe issue. Firstly if he hadn't gone into the EU the industrial strife would not have been as bad and secondly he was out by a handful of votes - and would probably have got them if senior tories including a former cabinet minister were not advising people to vote Labour in the 74 elections.Cyclefree said:
It is quite something how many British Tory PMs have - in the end - been destroyed by the EU issue: Thatcher, Major, Cameron i.e. all of them since Heath who took us in.Bob__Sykes said:
I'm really quite emotional about all this. I have ranted and railed at times, but I was "with him" generally from day 1 when Howard announced he was quitting. That's 11 years ago, and that's more than a quarter of my lifetime.DaemonBarber said:
Permission for top lip to wobble; granted.TheScreamingEagles said:I'm doing my best to not cry like a disgraced televangelist
What a stupid, stupid waste of a generally sound Premiership.
And how many other Tory leaders/would be leaders have had to or felt they needed to define themselves around the EU issue: Clarke, Portillo, IDS, Hague.
It is odd that the EU issue has been so toxic for the Tories when - arguably - it is Labour voters who have felt more of the disadvantages of being in the EU.
Discuss.........
The majority of Tory MPs voted to stay out and Heath only got the legislation narrowly through with the help of Labour Europhiles like Woy.
That poisoned the party for 41 years, dividing it into Europhiles and Eurosceptics. That is over now and the intellectual energy can be focused on more useful things.
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