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  • Tissue_PriceTissue_Price Posts: 9,039
    edited July 2016
    Vale Dave.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 123,492
    edited July 2016
    Right now I'm doing my best to not cry like a disgraced televangelist
  • DaemonBarberDaemonBarber Posts: 1,626
    He's a class act and will be missed
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 27,130
    Security like Celtic.
  • DaemonBarberDaemonBarber Posts: 1,626
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    I'm doing my best to not cry like a disgraced televangelist

    Permission for top lip to wobble; granted.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,666
    edited July 2016
    Go Cam! (in the good way!)
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,666
    DaemonBarber said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    I'm doing my best to not cry like a disgraced televangelist

    Permission for top lip to wobble; granted.
    Phew....
  • grabcocquegrabcocque Posts: 4,234
    Live scenes from inside Buckingham Palace

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sVEY5AL5zzk
  • MarkSeniorMarkSenior Posts: 4,699
    A good PM stabbed in the back by people like Plato who a year ago went round asking people to vote for him as PM
  • Tim_BTim_B Posts: 7,669
    In 1970 I stood there in Downing St watching Wilson leave and Heath arrive. In those days Downing St was open and you could walk in from Whitehall and down the steps at the back without hindrance.

    Cameron is a class act.
  • nunununu Posts: 6,024
    edited July 2016
    MarkSenior said:

    A good PM stabbed in the back by people like Plato who a year ago went round asking people to vote for him as PM

    He could've campaigned for Leave. That was his own choice. Besides you don't campaign for a PM you campaign for a local MP that's why May doesn't need to call an election.
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,943
    Will Sam Cam have any parting shots for media like Cherie did?
  • nunununu Posts: 6,024
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-36782323
  • ThreeQuidderThreeQuidder Posts: 6,133
    MarkSenior said:

    A good PM stabbed in the back by people like Plato who a year ago went round asking people to vote for him as PM

    The tragedy of it is, he did it to himself.

    Nobody made him do a half-arsed renegotiation.
    Nobody made him attempt to sell his half-arsed renegotiation as the best thing since sliced bread.
  • SimonStClareSimonStClare Posts: 7,976
    edited July 2016
    Class must run in the family. Sam Cam has been an exemplary PM’s wife throughout .
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 55,732
    If only he'd have remained neutral in the EUref campaign, he would still be PM.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,666
    nunu said:

    MarkSenior said:

    A good PM stabbed in the back by people like Plato who a year ago went round asking people to vote for him as PM

    He could've campaigned for Leave. That was his own choice.
    and the Conservative Party had no official position, so very hard to view that as a backstab.
  • FrankBoothFrankBooth Posts: 10,022
    MarkSenior said:

    A good PM stabbed in the back by people like Plato who a year ago went round asking people to vote for him as PM

    The problem for me with so much of new labour and the Lib Dems is how so many of them only really object to Ukip and the Tory right. I simply can't understand how a Lib Dem can think Cameron has been a good PM.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 55,732
    Now we're following the team coach to Wembley :lol:
  • MarkSeniorMarkSenior Posts: 4,699
    nunu said:

    MarkSenior said:

    A good PM stabbed in the back by people like Plato who a year ago went round asking people to vote for him as PM

    He could've campaigned for Leave. That was his own choice.
    He campaigned for what he thought ( and time will show ) was best for the country .
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 80,027
    nunu said:

    MarkSenior said:

    A good PM stabbed in the back by people like Plato who a year ago went round asking people to vote for him as PM

    He could've campaigned for Leave. That was his own choice. Besides you don't campaign for a PM you campaign for a local MP that's why May doesn't need to call an election.
    The entire referendum was his choice...
  • KentRisingKentRising Posts: 2,927
    DaemonBarber said:

    He's a class act and will be missed

    This.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,666
    MarkSenior said:

    nunu said:

    MarkSenior said:

    A good PM stabbed in the back by people like Plato who a year ago went round asking people to vote for him as PM

    He could've campaigned for Leave. That was his own choice.
    He campaigned for what he thought ( and time will show ) was best for the country .
    We'll never know what might have been, we just have to make the most of it now.
  • HurstLlamaHurstLlama Posts: 9,098
    ThreeQuidder said:

    MarkSenior said:

    A good PM stabbed in the back by people like Plato who a year ago went round asking people to vote for him as PM

    The tragedy of it is, he did it to himself.

    Nobody made him do a half-arsed renegotiation.
    Nobody made him attempt to sell his half-arsed renegotiation as the best thing since sliced bread.
    Exactly. He tried to play the Brits for fools. His downfall was entirely self-inflicted.
  • TCPoliticalBettingTCPoliticalBetting Posts: 10,819
    Sunil_Prasannan said:

    If only he'd have remained neutral in the EUref campaign, he would still be PM.

    True.
    Someone on PB did warn him in an article about that Harold Wilson matter.........
  • Bob__SykesBob__Sykes Posts: 1,179
    DaemonBarber said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    I'm doing my best to not cry like a disgraced televangelist

    Permission for top lip to wobble; granted.
    I'm really quite emotional about all this. I have ranted and railed at times, but I was "with him" generally from day 1 when Howard announced he was quitting. That's 11 years ago, and that's more than a quarter of my lifetime.

    What a stupid, stupid waste of a generally sound Premiership.
  • ThrakThrak Posts: 494
    KentRising said:

    DaemonBarber said:

    He's a class act and will be missed

    This.
    This, also.
  • KentRisingKentRising Posts: 2,927
    If he'd campaigned for Leave, he'd have won it by a landslide and would have been untouchable.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,666
    Thrak said:

    KentRising said:

    DaemonBarber said:

    He's a class act and will be missed

    This.
    This, also.
    That.
  • JobabobJobabob Posts: 3,807
    KentRising said:

    If he'd campaigned for Leave, he'd have won it by a landslide and would have been untouchable.

    He doesn't believe in leaving the EU.

  • JobabobJobabob Posts: 3,807
    MarkSenior said:

    nunu said:

    MarkSenior said:

    A good PM stabbed in the back by people like Plato who a year ago went round asking people to vote for him as PM

    He could've campaigned for Leave. That was his own choice.
    He campaigned for what he thought ( and time will show ) was best for the country .
    Quite right.
  • TCPoliticalBettingTCPoliticalBetting Posts: 10,819
    ThreeQuidder said:

    MarkSenior said:

    A good PM stabbed in the back by people like Plato who a year ago went round asking people to vote for him as PM

    The tragedy of it is, he did it to himself.

    Nobody made him do a half-arsed renegotiation.
    Nobody made him attempt to sell his half-arsed renegotiation as the best thing since sliced bread.
    Maybe Osborne persuaded him it was the smart thing to do? Ironic?
  • Tissue_PriceTissue_Price Posts: 9,039
    RobD said:

    Thrak said:

    KentRising said:

    DaemonBarber said:

    He's a class act and will be missed

    This.
    This, also.
    That.
    These.
  • Richard_NabaviRichard_Nabavi Posts: 30,822
    edited July 2016
    Well, clearly the best PM of the past half-century, apart from Maggie of course, despite a spot of trouble at the end. Still, can't be sentimental: politics is a ruthless game. On to the next one, let's hope she's as good. I'm quite optimistic, I think she's a good fit for the challenges ahead. She will be very much her own woman. It won't be Continuity Cameron in style, personnel or policy. We shall see how it turns out.
  • David_EvershedDavid_Evershed Posts: 6,506
    Bob__Sykes said:

    DaemonBarber said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    I'm doing my best to not cry like a disgraced televangelist

    Permission for top lip to wobble; granted.
    I'm really quite emotional about all this. I have ranted and railed at times, but I was "with him" generally from day 1 when Howard announced he was quitting. That's 11 years ago, and that's more than a quarter of my lifetime.

    What a stupid, stupid waste of a generally sound Premiership.
    Don't forget he was leaving anyway and would not have reach the end of this term.
  • nunununu Posts: 6,024
    HurstLlama said:

    ThreeQuidder said:

    MarkSenior said:

    A good PM stabbed in the back by people like Plato who a year ago went round asking people to vote for him as PM

    The tragedy of it is, he did it to himself.

    Nobody made him do a half-arsed renegotiation.
    Nobody made him attempt to sell his half-arsed renegotiation as the best thing since sliced bread.
    Exactly. He tried to play the Brits for fools. His downfall was entirely self-inflicted.
    Exactly. Like SeanT said in the end you don't fuck with the British.
  • KentRisingKentRising Posts: 2,927
    edited July 2016
    Bob__Sykes said:

    DaemonBarber said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    I'm doing my best to not cry like a disgraced televangelist

    Permission for top lip to wobble; granted.
    I'm really quite emotional about all this. I have ranted and railed at times, but I was "with him" generally from day 1 when Howard announced he was quitting. That's 11 years ago, and that's more than a quarter of my lifetime.

    What a stupid, stupid waste of a generally sound Premiership.
    Indeed, it's a waste.

    Maybe he'll be back.
  • Bob__SykesBob__Sykes Posts: 1,179
    KentRising said:

    If he'd campaigned for Leave, he'd have won it by a landslide and would have been untouchable.

    He wanted his legacy to include securing the UK's place in Europe and killing off the issue for a generation. That was entirely noble, and probably achievable if he'd only got a bit more out of his negotiation and if Labour had a moderate likeable leader going all out to campaign for "Remain".
  • HurstLlamaHurstLlama Posts: 9,098
    Jobabob said:

    KentRising said:

    If he'd campaigned for Leave, he'd have won it by a landslide and would have been untouchable.

    He doesn't believe in leaving the EU.

    Then he should have said so from the outset and not given us all that I am prepared to lead us out if we don't get the right deal guff.
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,422
    Richard_Nabavi said:

    Well, clearly the best PM of the past half-century, apart from Maggie of course, despite a spot of trouble at the end. Still, can't be sentimental: politics is a ruthless game. On to the next one, let's hope she's as good. I'm quite optimistic, I think she's a good fit for the challenges ahead, and will be very much her own woman. It won't be Continuity Cameron in style, personnel or policy. We shall see how it turns out.

    Agree - I think Mrs May's work ethic will stand us in good stead, and God help any ministerial slackers.
  • runnymederunnymede Posts: 2,536
    Good riddance to a man who first tried to bounce the public into voting away their future, then tried to scare and bully them into doing so. He disgraced his office and his departure is a very good thing.
  • TheKrakenAwakesTheKrakenAwakes Posts: 553
    For a moment watching David Cameron with his family on the steps of Downing Street I felt quite sorry for him...then I pulled myself together and thought, what a complete and utter arse you have to be to have let yourself get to this position...in a moment that sympathy evaporated
  • Ishmael_XIshmael_X Posts: 3,664
    Tissue_Price said:

    RobD said:

    Thrak said:

    KentRising said:

    DaemonBarber said:

    He's a class act and will be missed

    This.
    This, also.
    That.
    These.
    And those.

    Because "I agree" would be making it too easy.
  • frpenkridgefrpenkridge Posts: 670
    Earl of Rosenburg !!!! The immortal Kaye Burley.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 55,739
    TCPoliticalBetting said:

    ThreeQuidder said:

    MarkSenior said:

    A good PM stabbed in the back by people like Plato who a year ago went round asking people to vote for him as PM

    The tragedy of it is, he did it to himself.

    Nobody made him do a half-arsed renegotiation.
    Nobody made him attempt to sell his half-arsed renegotiation as the best thing since sliced bread.
    Maybe Osborne persuaded him it was the smart thing to do? Ironic?
    Looking forward to his diaries covering the past few months...
  • David_EvershedDavid_Evershed Posts: 6,506
    TCPoliticalBetting said:

    ThreeQuidder said:

    MarkSenior said:

    A good PM stabbed in the back by people like Plato who a year ago went round asking people to vote for him as PM

    The tragedy of it is, he did it to himself.

    Nobody made him do a half-arsed renegotiation.
    Nobody made him attempt to sell his half-arsed renegotiation as the best thing since sliced bread.
    Maybe Osborne persuaded him it was the smart thing to do? Ironic?
    So it is Osborne who caused his downfall.
  • TheKrakenAwakesTheKrakenAwakes Posts: 553
    runnymede said:

    Good riddance to a man who first tried to bounce the public into voting away their future, then tried to scare and bully them into doing so. He disgraced his office and his departure is a very good thing.

    Time will tell if he was telling the truth
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 52,730
    FPT:
    John_M said:

    One thing we can confidently predict: PMQs are going to return to dreary, earnest questions with tractor statistic replies.

    This will actually be a good thing. Cameron's habit of ignoring the question and turning PMQs into an Oxford Union debating-society 'game' - which was precisely the opposite of what he promised he would do with PMQs when he was LOTO - was one of his least attractive features.
  • BromBrom Posts: 3,760
    runnymede said:

    Good riddance to a man who first tried to bounce the public into voting away their future, then tried to scare and bully them into doing so. He disgraced his office and his departure is a very good thing.

    Agreed. the little Englanders had the last laugh. see ya Dave!
  • HurstLlamaHurstLlama Posts: 9,098
    Richard_Nabavi said:

    Well, clearly the best PM of the past half-century, apart from Maggie of course, despite a spot of trouble at the end. Still, can't be sentimental: politics is a ruthless game. On to the next one, let's hope she's as good. I'm quite optimistic, I think she's a good fit for the challenges ahead. She will be very much her own woman. It won't be Continuity Cameron in style, personnel or policy. We shall see how it turns out.

    Yup, I'll agree with that.
  • JackWJackW Posts: 14,787
    Richard_Nabavi said:

    Well, clearly the best PM of the past half-century, apart from Maggie of course, despite a spot of trouble at the end. Still, can't be sentimental: politics is a ruthless game. On to the next one, let's hope she's as good. I'm quite optimistic, I think she's a good fit for the challenges ahead. She will be very much her own woman. It won't be Continuity Cameron in style, personnel or policy. We shall see how it turns out.

    Agreed.

    I shall give the new May administration a fair wind ....

    Wind being my specialty .... :smiley:
  • David_EvershedDavid_Evershed Posts: 6,506
    KentRising said:

    If he'd campaigned for Leave, he'd have won it by a landslide and would have been untouchable.


    Agreed. And we would have a better Brexit team with Remain ministers like Johnson, Gove and Leadsom in position.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,666
    runnymede said:

    Good riddance to a man who first tried to bounce the public into voting away their future, then tried to scare and bully them into doing so. He disgraced his office and his departure is a very good thing.

    Not even a kind word for delivering on the referendum. :(
  • CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 25,718
    Bob__Sykes said:

    DaemonBarber said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    I'm doing my best to not cry like a disgraced televangelist

    Permission for top lip to wobble; granted.
    I'm really quite emotional about all this. I have ranted and railed at times, but I was "with him" generally from day 1 when Howard announced he was quitting. That's 11 years ago, and that's more than a quarter of my lifetime.

    What a stupid, stupid waste of a generally sound Premiership.
    It is quite something how many British Tory PMs have - in the end - been destroyed by the EU issue: Thatcher, Major, Cameron i.e. all of them since Heath who took us in.

    And how many other Tory leaders/would be leaders have had to or felt they needed to define themselves around the EU issue: Clarke, Portillo, IDS, Hague.

    It is odd that the EU issue has been so toxic for the Tories when - arguably - it is Labour voters who have felt more of the disadvantages of being in the EU.

    Discuss.........
  • Bob__SykesBob__Sykes Posts: 1,179
    One aspect of these PM changeovers I enjoy is the shots from the Buck House courtyard, rarely otherwise seen - having walked through there and briefly into and back out of the Palace myself when I went to a Duke of Edinburgh's Award garden party as a teenager - before the days when anyone could get a ticket to go in and look around in the summer hols.... :-)
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 80,027
    Dave was a real gambler as PM.

    If he'd have won the EURef then he'd have been (rightly) triumphant.

    But the bigger the stakes are, the more there is to lose.

    And when you bet the farm and lose, is that really deserving of sympathy ?
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 52,730
    Jobabob said:

    KentRising said:

    If he'd campaigned for Leave, he'd have won it by a landslide and would have been untouchable.

    He doesn't believe in leaving the EU.

    Had he been able (by overcoming his prior faux scepticism) to run a more positive Remain campaign, not solely based on trying to frighten people on the economy, and also authorised a more robust demolition of the nonsense being spouted by the Tory leaver brigade, he would also still be PM, having won the referendum, as was always his intention.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 123,492
    TCPoliticalBetting said:

    ThreeQuidder said:

    MarkSenior said:

    A good PM stabbed in the back by people like Plato who a year ago went round asking people to vote for him as PM

    The tragedy of it is, he did it to himself.

    Nobody made him do a half-arsed renegotiation.
    Nobody made him attempt to sell his half-arsed renegotiation as the best thing since sliced bread.
    Maybe Osborne persuaded him it was the smart thing to do? Ironic?
    Osborne didn't want Cameron to offer a referendum in the first place.
  • FF43FF43 Posts: 18,271
    One thing I approved of about David Cameron is that he kept his children away from publicity, unlike Tony Blair. So I guess they find set pieces like their father's departure speech difficult. They look completely traumatised in the photos.
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    edited July 2016
    Cameron is a nice man but as a country we have to move on from being governed by the 7%.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,666
    AndyJS said:

    Cameron is a nice man but as a country we have to move on from being governed by the 7%.

    The first I've heard of the 7%?
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,666
    Also is the main PB site down?
  • KentRisingKentRising Posts: 2,927
    edited July 2016
    Richard_Nabavi said:

    Well, clearly the best PM of the past half-century, apart from Maggie of course, despite a spot of trouble at the end. Still, can't be sentimental: politics is a ruthless game. On to the next one, let's hope she's as good. I'm quite optimistic, I think she's a good fit for the challenges ahead. She will be very much her own woman. It won't be Continuity Cameron in style, personnel or policy. We shall see how it turns out.

    Too young (31) to remember Major's term much, so Cameron is certainly the best PM I can remember, by a long way. Blair and Brown both dreadful in their same and different ways.

    Due to Blair v Brown, I grew up thinking the PM must always be at odds with the CofE. Dave and Osborne showed how it should be done. Grown-up government.
  • SimonStClareSimonStClare Posts: 7,976
    Ma’am, lock the front gates while you still have control.
  • BromBrom Posts: 3,760
    MarqueeMark said:

    TCPoliticalBetting said:

    ThreeQuidder said:

    MarkSenior said:

    A good PM stabbed in the back by people like Plato who a year ago went round asking people to vote for him as PM

    The tragedy of it is, he did it to himself.

    Nobody made him do a half-arsed renegotiation.
    Nobody made him attempt to sell his half-arsed renegotiation as the best thing since sliced bread.
    Maybe Osborne persuaded him it was the smart thing to do? Ironic?
    Looking forward to his diaries covering the past few months...
    Judging by what he's like in public I doubt he tells the truth in his diaries either
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 44,893
    https://twitter.com/Queen_UK/status/753257907572109312
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,666
    RobD said:

    Also is the main PB site down?

    No, just slow....
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 52,730
    David_Evershed said:

    KentRising said:

    If he'd campaigned for Leave, he'd have won it by a landslide and would have been untouchable.


    Agreed. And we would have a better Brexit team with Remain ministers like Johnson, Gove and Leadsom in position.
    How can anyone seriously put "better" in the same sentence as Johnson and Leadsom? Without being followed by the words "out of it"?
  • CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 25,718
    Bob__Sykes said:

    KentRising said:

    If he'd campaigned for Leave, he'd have won it by a landslide and would have been untouchable.

    He wanted his legacy to include securing the UK's place in Europe and killing off the issue for a generation. That was entirely noble, and probably achievable if he'd only got a bit more out of his negotiation and if Labour had a moderate likeable leader going all out to campaign for "Remain".
    Possibly. I'm beginning to wonder if the referendum was lost for Remain long before the renegotiation, that it was used as a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity by many voters to give an "Up Yours" to a way of governing that lots of people had been sotto voce grumbling about for years, a feeling that government (both British/EU) had become a conspiracy against the people rather than the servants of the people.

  • TCPoliticalBettingTCPoliticalBetting Posts: 10,819
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    TCPoliticalBetting said:

    ThreeQuidder said:

    MarkSenior said:

    A good PM stabbed in the back by people like Plato who a year ago went round asking people to vote for him as PM

    The tragedy of it is, he did it to himself.

    Nobody made him do a half-arsed renegotiation.
    Nobody made him attempt to sell his half-arsed renegotiation as the best thing since sliced bread.
    Maybe Osborne persuaded him it was the smart thing to do? Ironic?
    Osborne didn't want Cameron to offer a referendum in the first place.
    "Osborne didn't want Cameron to offer a referendum in the first place."
    Which would have led to either a massresignation, blocking of bills or Leadership challenge and defeat at GE2015.
    The strategy and tactics for this referendum had Osborne's hand all over them apart from the bits Cameron decided. Between the pair of them they lost the referendum and the manner of their campaign forced Cameron to resign.
  • DanSmithDanSmith Posts: 1,215
    Richard_Nabavi said:

    Well, clearly the best PM of the past half-century, apart from Maggie of course, despite a spot of trouble at the end. Still, can't be sentimental: politics is a ruthless game. On to the next one, let's hope she's as good. I'm quite optimistic, I think she's a good fit for the challenges ahead. She will be very much her own woman. It won't be Continuity Cameron in style, personnel or policy. We shall see how it turns out.

    Blair clearly better than Cameron.
  • rural_voterrural_voter Posts: 2,038
    Pulpstar said:

    Dave was a real gambler as PM.

    If he'd have won the EURef then he'd have been (rightly) triumphant.

    But the bigger the stakes are, the more there is to lose.

    And when you bet the farm and lose, is that really deserving of sympathy ?

    He can't have realised it was betting the farm at odds of roughly 50% or he wouldn't have taken it ... would he?

    Defeated in the end by voters in Sunderland, Stoke, Merthr Tydfil, Tredegar and other faraway places of which we [in Number 10 and west Oxfordshire] know little.
  • Paul_BedfordshirePaul_Bedfordshire Posts: 3,632
    CarlottaVance said:

    Richard_Nabavi said:

    Well, clearly the best PM of the past half-century, apart from Maggie of course, despite a spot of trouble at the end. Still, can't be sentimental: politics is a ruthless game. On to the next one, let's hope she's as good. I'm quite optimistic, I think she's a good fit for the challenges ahead, and will be very much her own woman. It won't be Continuity Cameron in style, personnel or policy. We shall see how it turns out.

    Agree - I think Mrs May's work ethic will stand us in good stead, and God help any ministerial slackers.
    That is one of the best things about her. You won't find her playing video games in the Downing Street flat.

    Most men these days dont seem to mature out of adolescence properly
  • Richard_NabaviRichard_Nabavi Posts: 30,822
    Pulpstar said:

    And when you bet the farm and lose, is that really deserving of sympathy ?

    Not really. He's got to the very top. He's been party leader for ten years. He was due to depart in the next couple of years anyway. OK, it's not quite the exit route which he'd pencilled in, and it's no doubt a blow to his pride, but he and his family are hardly going to be scrabbling around struggling to pay the bills. It's politics: anyone who goes into it and gets near the top knows that the rug can be pulled from under their feet at any time. He must also have come to the point where it was all getting to be just too much, insulted from all sides whatever he did. He deserves a nice long expensive holiday with Sam.
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    RobD said:

    AndyJS said:

    Cameron is a nice man but as a country we have to move on from being governed by the 7%.

    The first I've heard of the 7%?
    The privately educated. Nothing wrong with them as people but the other 93% deserve better opportunities.
  • DecrepitJohnLDecrepitJohnL Posts: 13,300
    KentRising said:

    Richard_Nabavi said:

    Well, clearly the best PM of the past half-century, apart from Maggie of course, despite a spot of trouble at the end. Still, can't be sentimental: politics is a ruthless game. On to the next one, let's hope she's as good. I'm quite optimistic, I think she's a good fit for the challenges ahead. She will be very much her own woman. It won't be Continuity Cameron in style, personnel or policy. We shall see how it turns out.

    Too young (31) to remember Major's term much, so Cameron is certainly the best PM I can remember, by a long way. Blair and Brown both dreadful in their same and different ways.

    Due to Blair v Brown, I grew up thinking the PM must always be at odds with the CofE. Dave and Osborne showed how it should be done. Grown-up government.
    Blair and Brown were not really at odds over policy, just on resignation dates. For bare-knuckle fights over the fundamentals of economic and (and European) policy, you have to go back to Conservative governments, esp Thatcher vs Lawson.
  • HurstLlamaHurstLlama Posts: 9,098
    Now, looking to the future; does anyone know what TM's attitude is to cats? We saw a picture on here earlier with Cameron seeming to discuss policy with Larry on his lap (a photo, which had it been publicised a month ago, might have swung the referendum result his way). Which way will the new Prime Minister swing? Will she be pro-Larry or will she be the Cruella de Vill as per that slot-gobbed, money-grabbing, old trout a la Mrs Blair.
  • TCPoliticalBettingTCPoliticalBetting Posts: 10,819
    Cyclefree said:

    Bob__Sykes said:

    DaemonBarber said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    I'm doing my best to not cry like a disgraced televangelist

    Permission for top lip to wobble; granted.
    I'm really quite emotional about all this. I have ranted and railed at times, but I was "with him" generally from day 1 when Howard announced he was quitting. That's 11 years ago, and that's more than a quarter of my lifetime.

    What a stupid, stupid waste of a generally sound Premiership.
    It is quite something how many British Tory PMs have - in the end - been destroyed by the EU issue: Thatcher, Major, Cameron i.e. all of them since Heath who took us in.
    And how many other Tory leaders/would be leaders have had to or felt they needed to define themselves around the EU issue: Clarke, Portillo, IDS, Hague. It is odd that the EU issue has been so toxic for the Tories when - arguably - it is Labour voters who have felt more of the disadvantages of being in the EU. Discuss.........
    May be it is more to do with Conservatives having pride in the country as an independent nation therefore sovereignty matters more to them.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 80,027
    DanSmith said:

    Richard_Nabavi said:

    Well, clearly the best PM of the past half-century, apart from Maggie of course, despite a spot of trouble at the end. Still, can't be sentimental: politics is a ruthless game. On to the next one, let's hope she's as good. I'm quite optimistic, I think she's a good fit for the challenges ahead. She will be very much her own woman. It won't be Continuity Cameron in style, personnel or policy. We shall see how it turns out.

    Blair clearly better than Cameron.
    That's a very low comment.
  • FrankBoothFrankBooth Posts: 10,022
    Cyclefree said:

    Bob__Sykes said:

    DaemonBarber said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    I'm doing my best to not cry like a disgraced televangelist

    Permission for top lip to wobble; granted.
    I'm really quite emotional about all this. I have ranted and railed at times, but I was "with him" generally from day 1 when Howard announced he was quitting. That's 11 years ago, and that's more than a quarter of my lifetime.

    What a stupid, stupid waste of a generally sound Premiership.
    It is quite something how many British Tory PMs have - in the end - been destroyed by the EU issue: Thatcher, Major, Cameron i.e. all of them since Heath who took us in.

    And how many other Tory leaders/would be leaders have had to or felt they needed to define themselves around the EU issue: Clarke, Portillo, IDS, Hague.

    It is odd that the EU issue has been so toxic for the Tories when - arguably - it is Labour voters who have felt more of the disadvantages of being in the EU.

    Discuss.........
    Blair was also undone by Foreign Policy don't forget. It doesn't usually kill politicians with the electorate but it can be a b***** within parliamentary parties.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,666
    HurstLlama said:

    Now, looking to the future; does anyone know what TM's attitude is to cats? We saw a picture on here earlier with Cameron seeming to discuss policy with Larry on his lap (a photo, which had it been publicised a month ago, might have swung the referendum result his way). Which way will the new Prime Minister swing? Will she be pro-Larry or will she be the Cruella de Vill as per that slot-gobbed, money-grabbing, old trout a la Mrs Blair.

    Or May might turn out to be similar to the Cat Lady from the Simpsons :D
  • David_EvershedDavid_Evershed Posts: 6,506
    Theuniondivvie said:

    https://twitter.com/Queen_UK/status/753257907572109312

    No need for the UK tag.

    She is The Queen.
  • CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 25,718
    I hope Cameron learns from Major rather than Blair how to be an ex-Prime Minister.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 46,710
    edited July 2016
    HurstLlama said:

    ThreeQuidder said:

    MarkSenior said:

    A good PM stabbed in the back by people like Plato who a year ago went round asking people to vote for him as PM

    The tragedy of it is, he did it to himself.

    Nobody made him do a half-arsed renegotiation.
    Nobody made him attempt to sell his half-arsed renegotiation as the best thing since sliced bread.
    Exactly. He tried to play the Brits for fools. His downfall was entirely self-inflicted.
    No. It was inflicted by the EU obsessives within his own party who demanded a referendum. Many of the same guys who stabbed Major in the back.

    Sad to see you're not being in the least bit gracious today, and that your dislike of Cameron still shines through.
  • Carolus_RexCarolus_Rex Posts: 1,414
    edited July 2016
    HurstLlama said:

    Now, looking to the future; does anyone know what TM's attitude is to cats? We saw a picture on here earlier with Cameron seeming to discuss policy with Larry on his lap (a photo, which had it been publicised a month ago, might have swung the referendum result his way). Which way will the new Prime Minister swing? Will she be pro-Larry or will she be the Cruella de Vill as per that slot-gobbed, money-grabbing, old trout a la Mrs Blair.

    She won't care to get fur all over that designer apparel. Larry's next serious moult will be his last in Downing St.

    And as for hacking a furball up into the shoes...
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 55,732
    David_Evershed said:

    Theuniondivvie said:

    https://twitter.com/Queen_UK/status/753257907572109312

    No need for the UK tag.

    She is The Queen.
    Da Queen, actually :)
  • glwglw Posts: 10,489
    Cyclefree said:

    Possibly. I'm beginning to wonder if the referendum was lost for Remain long before the renegotiation, that it was used as a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity by many voters to give an "Up Yours" to a way of governing that lots of people had been sotto voce grumbling about for years, a feeling that government (both British/EU) had become a conspiracy against the people rather than the servants of the people.

    Yeah a referendum about the EU (loathed to at best tolerated by 90% of people) is like giving someone the first punch. Too bloody right the public weren't going to miss out on that opportunity.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,666
    AndyJS said:

    RobD said:

    AndyJS said:

    Cameron is a nice man but as a country we have to move on from being governed by the 7%.

    The first I've heard of the 7%?
    The privately educated. Nothing wrong with them as people but the other 93% deserve better opportunities.
    Right. I'm fine if it's done on merit. I wouldn't want someone worse being PM just because they aren't privately educated, for instance.
  • JackWJackW Posts: 14,787
    DanSmith said:

    Blair clearly better than Cameron.

    Couldn't you have given us a 45 minutes warning of that comment?
  • KentRisingKentRising Posts: 2,927
    May is QEII's 13th PM, being appointed on 13th day of the month....
  • PlatoSaidPlatoSaid Posts: 10,383
    HurstLlama said:

    Now, looking to the future; does anyone know what TM's attitude is to cats? We saw a picture on here earlier with Cameron seeming to discuss policy with Larry on his lap (a photo, which had it been publicised a month ago, might have swung the referendum result his way). Which way will the new Prime Minister swing? Will she be pro-Larry or will she be the Cruella de Vill as per that slot-gobbed, money-grabbing, old trout a la Mrs Blair.

    Cameron did refer to Larry as 'it' rather than 'him'

    Tut tut tut
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 55,732
    Cyclefree said:

    I hope Cameron learns from Major rather than Blair how to be an ex-Prime Minister.

    Major called LEAVERs rude names during the Campaign, didn't he?
  • Bob__SykesBob__Sykes Posts: 1,179
    Do we have to be subjected to Nick Witchell wittering on? Fair enough for coverage of the Queen's birthday or something, but this is politics. It just happens to be at the Palace...
  • RodCrosbyRodCrosby Posts: 7,737
    frpenkridge said:

    Earl of Rosenburg !!!! The immortal Kaye Burley.

    To be fair, it was Jayne Secker.
  • BannedInParisBannedInParis Posts: 2,191
    DanSmith said:

    Richard_Nabavi said:

    Well, clearly the best PM of the past half-century, apart from Maggie of course, despite a spot of trouble at the end. Still, can't be sentimental: politics is a ruthless game. On to the next one, let's hope she's as good. I'm quite optimistic, I think she's a good fit for the challenges ahead. She will be very much her own woman. It won't be Continuity Cameron in style, personnel or policy. We shall see how it turns out.

    Blair clearly better than Cameron.
    Chilcott was *last week*, man.
  • saddenedsaddened Posts: 2,245
    MarkSenior said:

    A good PM stabbed in the back by people like Plato who a year ago went round asking people to vote for him as PM

    Give it a rest, it's not as if she's unique in that.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,666
    BannedInParis said:

    DanSmith said:

    Richard_Nabavi said:

    Well, clearly the best PM of the past half-century, apart from Maggie of course, despite a spot of trouble at the end. Still, can't be sentimental: politics is a ruthless game. On to the next one, let's hope she's as good. I'm quite optimistic, I think she's a good fit for the challenges ahead. She will be very much her own woman. It won't be Continuity Cameron in style, personnel or policy. We shall see how it turns out.

    Blair clearly better than Cameron.
    Chilcott was *last week*, man.
    The referendum was less than three weeks ago.............
  • PlatoSaidPlatoSaid Posts: 10,383
    RobD said:

    HurstLlama said:

    Now, looking to the future; does anyone know what TM's attitude is to cats? We saw a picture on here earlier with Cameron seeming to discuss policy with Larry on his lap (a photo, which had it been publicised a month ago, might have swung the referendum result his way). Which way will the new Prime Minister swing? Will she be pro-Larry or will she be the Cruella de Vill as per that slot-gobbed, money-grabbing, old trout a la Mrs Blair.

    Or May might turn out to be similar to the Cat Lady from the Simpsons :D
    More Catbert, I suspect.
  • glwglw Posts: 10,489
    AndyJS said:

    RobD said:

    AndyJS said:

    Cameron is a nice man but as a country we have to move on from being governed by the 7%.

    The first I've heard of the 7%?
    The privately educated. Nothing wrong with them as people but the other 93% deserve better opportunities.
    On average they ought to make up no more than 7% of MPs, ministers etc. Not bag most of the top jobs. Until that's fixed don't expect the public to like them.
  • Paul_BedfordshirePaul_Bedfordshire Posts: 3,632
    Cyclefree said:

    Bob__Sykes said:

    DaemonBarber said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    I'm doing my best to not cry like a disgraced televangelist

    Permission for top lip to wobble; granted.
    I'm really quite emotional about all this. I have ranted and railed at times, but I was "with him" generally from day 1 when Howard announced he was quitting. That's 11 years ago, and that's more than a quarter of my lifetime.

    What a stupid, stupid waste of a generally sound Premiership.
    It is quite something how many British Tory PMs have - in the end - been destroyed by the EU issue: Thatcher, Major, Cameron i.e. all of them since Heath who took us in.

    And how many other Tory leaders/would be leaders have had to or felt they needed to define themselves around the EU issue: Clarke, Portillo, IDS, Hague.

    It is odd that the EU issue has been so toxic for the Tories when - arguably - it is Labour voters who have felt more of the disadvantages of being in the EU.

    Discuss.........
    I would say Heath was also destroyed by the Europe issue. Firstly if he hadn't gone into the EU the industrial strife would not have been as bad and secondly he was out by a handful of votes - and would probably have got them if senior tories including a former cabinet minister were not advising people to vote Labour in the 74 elections.

    The majority of Tory MPs voted to stay out and Heath only got the legislation narrowly through with the help of Labour Europhiles like Woy.

    That poisoned the party for 41 years, dividing it into Europhiles and Eurosceptics. That is over now and the intellectual energy can be focused on more useful things.
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