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  • The_Apocalypse
    The_Apocalypse Posts: 7,830
    @foxinsouk I don't even think the electorate were thinking about their race, gender or religion that night tbh. I just think they wanted the LDs out. But I think Clegg (when he was leader) even spoke on the need for the LDs to become more diverse.

    @taffys LOL.

  • Cyclefree
    Cyclefree Posts: 25,709
    Richard_Nabavi said:

    Cyclefree said:

    I was being kind!

    She simply is not up to being in Cabinet in my view. IMO. May needs to be ruthless. We need the best people available to deal with some very tricky issues. We don't need Cabinet jobs handed out as consolation prizes to those who have been tested and found wanting. There are others on the Brexit side who can be promoted in Cabinet who have behaved more competently and with more integrity than Leadsom has (other than when she finally pulled out of the race).

    Whilst I agree, there is a political necessity for Theresa May to be magnanimous in victory and to acknowledge that Angela Leadsom got a fair bit of support both from MPs and in the party. It's a tricky problem, made worse by the fact that the other leading Brexiteers are not without their drawbacks.

    Understand that. She can be put somewhere where she can do no harm. Not in an important front line role. She should not be part of the negotiating team for instance. Can you imagine how people in the EU will react to her? We need someone cool and collected and trustworthy and prepared to do the hard work and able to withstand the pressure.

    Her support was because she was the last Brexiteer standing not because of her personal qualities, particularly. So long as there are sufficient Brexit people in the Cabinet I would have thought this would be fine. I would look to promoting some of the other Brexit Ministers, which would also have the advantage of bringing fresh faces in.

    May needs to be ruthless. No room for sentimentality at this point.
  • john_zims
    john_zims Posts: 3,399
    @Big_G_NorthWales


    'Tim Farron is just plain silly - trying to force an election as the Government does not have a mandate to take us out of Europe'


    Assuming anyone knows who he is, they surely don't take his brand of students union politics seriously.
  • MikeL
    MikeL Posts: 7,809
    Alan Duncan: "Everyone knows there won't be a GE"
  • Luckyguy1983
    Luckyguy1983 Posts: 32,095
    williamglenn said:

    TCPoliticalBetting said:

    EdgwareJoel said:

    pbr2013 said:

    Philip_Thompson said:

    Should we consider possibly Andrea Leadsom as next Chancellor for the betting markets? She's come out of this with some credit and the one thing everyone seems to agree is she is very financially literate and aware which could be useful for a Chancellor in these times.

    Nah, it'll be Hammond. Dull accountant type exactly what is needed there imho.
    As long as we do not get Osborne as Foreign Secretary. Personally dislikeable and prone to childish games. Completely unsuited for the role.
    Mrs May needs to remove Osborne as a rival as her first act. He has the advantage of age. An EU commissioner or Ambassadorship would be a good idea.
    You haven't really thought through this Brexit business, have you?
    It would be quite appropriate. Give him a taste of what might have been before he gets made extinct.
  • JackW
    JackW Posts: 14,787
    JohnO said:

    JackW said:

    JohnO said:

    Oooh and Dom Raab!

    As a seasoned Tory Kremlinologist how you see the rankings in the photo shoot?
    A big kiss - the only one - for Hunky Dunky....he is to be restored. Looks as if Brandon Lewis will also favoured.
    PB's very own Andrea has set his cap at Hunky Dinky Dunky .... there might be double Andrea trouble ahead !!
  • RodCrosby
    RodCrosby Posts: 7,737
    Trump speech in VA on veterans reform...
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P26J6zpj7-0
  • TheScreamingEagles
    TheScreamingEagles Posts: 122,808
    Classy from Mrs May, top praise for Dave as well.

    I shall be magnanimous towards to Brexiteers, unity and loyalty, onward Tories.
  • JosiasJessop
    JosiasJessop Posts: 46,251
    Peaceniks should elect me PM. If the letter explaining what needs to be done in the event of a preemptive strike against the UK has to be in my hand, nothing would ever happen.

    "Sir! The UK's been attacked and we can't pick up Radio 4!"
    "Damn, XO. I suppose we'd better have a cup of tea and open the letter."

    Five hours later:
    "No sir, I think it says "The porpoise is sailing up the Arctic."
    "Rubbish XO! It clearly says "The Yeti is climbing the Eiger."
  • JackW
    JackW Posts: 14,787
    RodCrosby said:

    Trump speech in VA on veterans reform...
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P26J6zpj7-0

    Which tit is Trump ?!? .... :smile:
  • John_M
    John_M Posts: 7,503
    Liked this from the Spectator. Expect to see plenty along these lines :)

    image
  • JosiasJessop
    JosiasJessop Posts: 46,251
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Classy from Mrs May, top praise for Dave as well.

    I shall be magnanimous towards to Brexiteers, unity and loyalty, onward Tories.

    Does that include Plato? ;)
  • foxinsoxuk
    foxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    The_Apocalypse said:

    @foxinsouk I don't even think the electorate were thinking about their race, gender or religion that night tbh. I just think they wanted the LDs out. But I think Clegg (when he was leader) even spoke on the need for the LDs to become more diverse.

    @taffys LOL.

    The local LDs are a pretty diverse bunch. Most LD MPs came up via local govt, then built on that before going to Westminster. It is a better training ground for the post rather than SPADery.
  • Alanbrooke
    Alanbrooke Posts: 25,926
    Scott_P said:

    Alanbrooke said:

    you could have let the one big happy family roll for just one evening

    I am so happy I am "dancing in my underwear"

    But it was instructive watching the MPs filing out to acclaim Theresa May. or not.
    well while Tories talk of unity you hint at scores to be settled.

    it doesnt bode well or fit with the mood.
  • paulyork64
    paulyork64 Posts: 2,507
    Morris_Dancer said:

    Mr. Eagles may like this:
    https://twitter.com/PeteMC666/status/752509729193205760

    I like the bottom news line even more.
  • Richard_Nabavi
    Richard_Nabavi Posts: 30,822
    Memo to our new leader: Don't even THINK of wearing that low-cut blouse again.
  • TheScreamingEagles
    TheScreamingEagles Posts: 122,808
    edited July 2016
    JosiasJessop said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Classy from Mrs May, top praise for Dave as well.

    I shall be magnanimous towards to Brexiteers, unity and loyalty, onward Tories.

    Does that include Plato? ;)
    I shall defer to JohnO's judgement.

    He's primus inter pares of PB Tories
  • PlatoSaid
    PlatoSaid Posts: 10,383
    JosiasJessop said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Classy from Mrs May, top praise for Dave as well.

    I shall be magnanimous towards to Brexiteers, unity and loyalty, onward Tories.

    Does that include Plato? ;)
    Would you like me to take your name in vain several times a day? I can return the compliment if you'd like.

    Perhaps you could just post about what you think instead.
  • AramintaMoonbeamQC
    AramintaMoonbeamQC Posts: 3,901
    Cyclefree said:

    AndyJS said:

    Philip_Thompson said:

    Should we consider possibly Andrea Leadsom as next Chancellor for the betting markets? She's come out of this with some credit and the one thing everyone seems to agree is she is very financially literate and aware which could be useful for a Chancellor in these times.

    Also Nicky Morgan could be Home Secretary with Theresa Villiers as Foreign Secretary making it 4 out of 4 for women in the top jobs.
    Morgan is useless.

    Not her. Please.

    Let's stop worrying about gender and concentrate on competence.
    Morgan has been a disaster in her present role, as has Gibb (schools minister) - even in the face of mass graduate underemployment, they still cannot persuade people to train as teachers - even with sometime huge financial incentives.
  • Sean_F
    Sean_F Posts: 39,132
    foxinsoxuk said:

    The_Apocalypse said:

    @foxinsouk I don't even think the electorate were thinking about their race, gender or religion that night tbh. I just think they wanted the LDs out. But I think Clegg (when he was leader) even spoke on the need for the LDs to become more diverse.

    @taffys LOL.

    The local LDs are a pretty diverse bunch. Most LD MPs came up via local govt, then built on that before going to Westminster. It is a better training ground for the post rather than SPADery.
    It's hard to be diverse when there are only eight of you.
  • JohnO
    JohnO Posts: 4,312
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    JosiasJessop said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Classy from Mrs May, top praise for Dave as well.

    I shall be magnanimous towards to Brexiteers, unity and loyalty, onward Tories.

    Does that include Plato? ;)
    I shall defer to JohnO's judgement.

    He's primus inter pares of PB Tories
    We should always commend civility in our pb family.
  • Scott_P
    Scott_P Posts: 51,453
    Alanbrooke said:

    well while Tories talk of unity you hint at scores to be settled.

    Not at all.

    There are only so many government roles to be filled. Some MPs will be disappointed.

    And may of them have appeared on our screens today, faces like slapped arses, complaining of dirty tricks

    Apparently Tim Montgomerie is also having a bad day. Shame.
  • john_zims
    john_zims Posts: 3,399
    @Wulfrun_Phil

    'Sadiq Khan would be another option. Shame that the Tooting by-election's been and gone - he could have stood! '


    We have already seen him in action and it took him less than two months in office to break his key election pledge, must be a record.
  • kle4
    kle4 Posts: 99,113
    philiph said:

    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    SimonStClare said:

    Congratulations to Theresa May on her elevation to party leader – now sign the bloody A50.

    She will
    But not before 31/12/2016
    She will. She'll be hounded every minute until she does, as she has no mandate from the members for whatever strategy she picks, so the MPs are free to go after her on it.
  • Luckyguy1983
    Luckyguy1983 Posts: 32,095
    Alanbrooke said:

    Scott_P said:

    Alanbrooke said:

    you could have let the one big happy family roll for just one evening

    I am so happy I am "dancing in my underwear"

    But it was instructive watching the MPs filing out to acclaim Theresa May. or not.
    well while Tories talk of unity you hint at scores to be settled.

    it doesnt bode well or fit with the mood.
    Scott P is Scott P. We can only hope one day he scrapes together enough CCHQ groats to go interrailing and find himself.
  • RobD
    RobD Posts: 60,609
    :O May is PM??
  • Alanbrooke
    Alanbrooke Posts: 25,926
    JohnO said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    JosiasJessop said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Classy from Mrs May, top praise for Dave as well.

    I shall be magnanimous towards to Brexiteers, unity and loyalty, onward Tories.

    Does that include Plato? ;)
    I shall defer to JohnO's judgement.

    He's primus inter pares of PB Tories
    We should always commend civility in our pb family.
    have you settled your bet Mr O ?
  • Scott_P
    Scott_P Posts: 51,453
    @patrick_kidd: Theresa May will take over as prime minister on the 54th anniversary of Harold Macmillan's Night of the Long Knives...
  • taffys
    taffys Posts: 9,753
    ''Scott P is Scott P. We can only hope one day he scrapes together enough CCHQ groats to go interrailing and find himself. ''

    Who knows, he may meet his first girlfriend while he's travelling.
  • MaxPB
    MaxPB Posts: 40,327
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Classy from Mrs May, top praise for Dave as well.

    I shall be magnanimous towards to Brexiteers, unity and loyalty, onward Tories.

    Many of us on the Brexit side were already supporting May! Over half IMO.
  • TheScreamingEagles
    TheScreamingEagles Posts: 122,808
    JohnO said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    JosiasJessop said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Classy from Mrs May, top praise for Dave as well.

    I shall be magnanimous towards to Brexiteers, unity and loyalty, onward Tories.

    Does that include Plato? ;)
    I shall defer to JohnO's judgement.

    He's primus inter pares of PB Tories
    We should always commend civility in our pb family.
    Indeed. So what job is Dom Raab going to get? I think he'll be getting a cabinet job.

    I think he's going to be my tip for Theresa's successor.
  • JohnO
    JohnO Posts: 4,312
    edited July 2016
    Alanbrooke said:

    JohnO said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    JosiasJessop said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Classy from Mrs May, top praise for Dave as well.

    I shall be magnanimous towards to Brexiteers, unity and loyalty, onward Tories.

    Does that include Plato? ;)
    I shall defer to JohnO's judgement.

    He's primus inter pares of PB Tories
    We should always commend civility in our pb family.
    have you settled your bet Mr O ?
    Of course, immediately after you mentioned it and received a gracious thank you from Mike.
  • RobD
    RobD Posts: 60,609
    John_M said:

    Liked this from the Spectator. Expect to see plenty along these lines :)

    Maybe I should change my profile pic :D
  • Morris_Dancer
    Morris_Dancer Posts: 62,742
    Mr. 64, I hadn't spotted that :)
  • HurstLlama
    HurstLlama Posts: 9,098
    williamglenn said:

    MP_SE said:

    Scott_P said:

    The war is over, and yet still they fight on, like stranded Japanese soldiers in the jungle...

    @IainDale: .@afneil @JohnRentoul Trade cannot possibly be Osborne. Has to be a Brexiter, as do Chancellor & Foreign Secretary IMHO.

    Osborne as Foreign Secretary may be a smart move.
    He's temperamentally well suited to it.
    I respectfully disagree Mr. Glenn. Osborne has, in my view, been a very political chancellor inasmuch as his energies have been concentrated on short term party political advantage and clever wheezes. Quite the opposite of what one would want on a Foreign Secretary.

    If he has to have a role then make him Party Chairman but preferably thank him for his efforts and send him to the back benches.
  • MaxPB
    MaxPB Posts: 40,327
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    JohnO said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    JosiasJessop said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Classy from Mrs May, top praise for Dave as well.

    I shall be magnanimous towards to Brexiteers, unity and loyalty, onward Tories.

    Does that include Plato? ;)
    I shall defer to JohnO's judgement.

    He's primus inter pares of PB Tories
    We should always commend civility in our pb family.
    Indeed. So what job is Dom Raab going to get? I think he'll be getting a cabinet job.

    I think he's going to be my tip for Theresa's successor.
    He's definitely one to watch. We also need to look at who is going to make way.
  • CarlottaVance
    CarlottaVance Posts: 60,422
    rottenborough said:

    Rudd, Damien Green, Grayling, Green. The key people lined up behind May.

    Cabinet clues?

    May has known Green since Univerity (and Duncan, but not as well) - there was a feeling Green was overlooked by Cameron.....
  • Fenster
    Fenster Posts: 2,115
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    JohnO said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    JosiasJessop said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Classy from Mrs May, top praise for Dave as well.

    I shall be magnanimous towards to Brexiteers, unity and loyalty, onward Tories.

    Does that include Plato? ;)
    I shall defer to JohnO's judgement.

    He's primus inter pares of PB Tories
    We should always commend civility in our pb family.
    Indeed. So what job is Dom Raab going to get? I think he'll be getting a cabinet job.

    I think he's going to be my tip for Theresa's successor.
    I tried to put money on him for next leader a few years back, and Paddy Power didn't know who he was LOL

    You lot have made me into a nerd!
  • Alanbrooke
    Alanbrooke Posts: 25,926
    JohnO said:

    Alanbrooke said:

    JohnO said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    JosiasJessop said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Classy from Mrs May, top praise for Dave as well.

    I shall be magnanimous towards to Brexiteers, unity and loyalty, onward Tories.

    Does that include Plato? ;)
    I shall defer to JohnO's judgement.

    He's primus inter pares of PB Tories
    We should always commend civility in our pb family.
    have you settled your bet Mr O ?
    Of course, immediately after you mentioned it and received a gracious thank you from Mike.
    You are a man of honour Mr O.

    I owe you a large drink and a train fare:-)
  • Tabman
    Tabman Posts: 1,046
    Has the Labour Party finished?
  • JohnO
    JohnO Posts: 4,312
    edited July 2016
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    JohnO said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    JosiasJessop said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Classy from Mrs May, top praise for Dave as well.

    I shall be magnanimous towards to Brexiteers, unity and loyalty, onward Tories.

    Does that include Plato? ;)
    I shall defer to JohnO's judgement.

    He's primus inter pares of PB Tories
    We should always commend civility in our pb family.
    Indeed. So what job is Dom Raab going to get? I think he'll be getting a cabinet job.

    I think he's going to be my tip for Theresa's successor.
    As he's my MP and know him well, won't comment publicly in this instance; will send you an e-mail later.
  • AndyJS
    AndyJS Posts: 29,395
    Have Betfair closed their next Tory leader market yet?
  • John_M
    John_M Posts: 7,503
    MaxPB said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Classy from Mrs May, top praise for Dave as well.

    I shall be magnanimous towards to Brexiteers, unity and loyalty, onward Tories.

    Many of us on the Brexit side were already supporting May! Over half IMO.
    TSE gets to be gracious. As in 'in defeat'. We get to be magnanimous. However, that tiny point of order aside, let us all unite as one big happy PB Tory family.

    As for @Platosaid I've always enjoyed her posts, long may she continue to add to the gaiety of PB.
  • TheScreamingEagles
    TheScreamingEagles Posts: 122,808
    RobD said:

    :O May is PM??

    She became Tory leader about 52 mins ago and she becomes PM on Wednesday afternoon
  • SouthamObserver
    SouthamObserver Posts: 40,054
    Who said Labour members are delusional?
    https://twitter.com/jakeberger_/status/752533273671299074
  • MarkHopkins
    MarkHopkins Posts: 5,584

    May the PM be with you.

  • JosiasJessop
    JosiasJessop Posts: 46,251
    PlatoSaid said:

    JosiasJessop said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Classy from Mrs May, top praise for Dave as well.

    I shall be magnanimous towards to Brexiteers, unity and loyalty, onward Tories.

    Does that include Plato? ;)
    Would you like me to take your name in vain several times a day? I can return the compliment if you'd like.

    (Snip)
    Plato, you must admit that your descent from Cameron fan to Kipper in a little over a year is quite funny.

    But in the name of peace and harmony, I'll stop.
  • RobD
    RobD Posts: 60,609
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    RobD said:

    :O May is PM??

    She became Tory leader about 52 mins ago and she becomes PM on Wednesday afternoon
    This is what I get for sleeping :(
  • Morris_Dancer
    Morris_Dancer Posts: 62,742
    Mr. P, whereas Labour are currently having the Year of Blunt Daggers.
  • kle4
    kle4 Posts: 99,113
    I'd like to see Cameron in the Cabinet, quite frankly. I know it won't be the case for all sorts of reasons, personal and political, but Brexit aside we could have done a lot worse and it'd be an interesting change of pace to not have the outgoing PM immediately on the backbenches for a few years and then quit, or to just quit immediately, but to be willing and trusted to serve a new leader. But I don't think the willingness or trust would be there.
  • TheScreamingEagles
    TheScreamingEagles Posts: 122,808
    JohnO said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    JohnO said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    JosiasJessop said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Classy from Mrs May, top praise for Dave as well.

    I shall be magnanimous towards to Brexiteers, unity and loyalty, onward Tories.

    Does that include Plato? ;)
    I shall defer to JohnO's judgement.

    He's primus inter pares of PB Tories
    We should always commend civility in our pb family.
    Indeed. So what job is Dom Raab going to get? I think he'll be getting a cabinet job.

    I think he's going to be my tip for Theresa's successor.
    As he's my MP and know him well, won't comment publicly in this instance; will send you an e-mail later.
    Understood and appreciated.
  • kle4
    kle4 Posts: 99,113
    SouthamObserver said:

    Who said Labour members are delusional?
    https://twitter.com/jakeberger_/status/752533273671299074

    In fairness his day was planned before Leadsom made it big news (the Eagle stuff was barely on his radar)
  • Scott_P
    Scott_P Posts: 51,453
    @PickardJE: A usually reliable source says Boris will get offered a cabinet role but not Gove....
  • JosiasJessop
    JosiasJessop Posts: 46,251
    kle4 said:

    I'd like to see Cameron in the Cabinet, quite frankly. I know it won't be the case for all sorts of reasons, personal and political, but Brexit aside we could have done a lot worse and it'd be an interesting change of pace to not have the outgoing PM immediately on the backbenches for a few years and then quit, or to just quit immediately, but to be willing and trusted to serve a new leader. But I don't think the willingness or trust would be there.

    Roving ambassador for trade and industry? Use his contacts and skills to go out and sell Britain and its goods?
  • Gravitation
    Gravitation Posts: 287
    Any thoughts on what Cameron will do? Can't see him hanging around on the backbenches for four years.
  • kle4
    kle4 Posts: 99,113
    Scott_P said:

    @PickardJE: A usually reliable source says Boris will get offered a cabinet role but not Gove....

    Unless it's media and sport or something like that, not sure Boris deserves anything tbh.
  • Wulfrun_Phil
    Wulfrun_Phil Posts: 4,784
    john_zims said:

    @Wulfrun_Phil

    'Sadiq Khan would be another option. Shame that the Tooting by-election's been and gone - he could have stood! '


    We have already seen him in action and it took him less than two months in office to break his key election pledge, must be a record.

    Londoners have a better opinion of him than you. So far 45% think he is doing a good job, 15% a bad job, +30% net.

    http://d25d2506sfb94s.cloudfront.net/cumulus_uploads/document/4s7vvulwm6/EveningStandardResults_London_SadiqMayor_EURef_Housing_Independence_Website.pdf

    Compare with Corbyn's approval ratings.
  • Richard_Nabavi
    Richard_Nabavi Posts: 30,822
    John Rentoul's had a go at guessing May's cabinet choices:

    http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/who-would-be-in-theresa-mays-cabinet-a7128516.html
  • Morris_Dancer
    Morris_Dancer Posts: 62,742
    Mr. kle4, it'd be interesting to have Cameron in the Cabinet, but I can't see it either.
  • Tim_B
    Tim_B Posts: 7,669
    RobD said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    RobD said:

    :O May is PM??

    She became Tory leader about 52 mins ago and she becomes PM on Wednesday afternoon
    This is what I get for sleeping :(
    - and she made a point in her speech of saying "Brexit means Brexit, and we're going to make a success of it."
  • DavidL
    DavidL Posts: 55,867
    Excellent piece SO. The differences between all the Tory candidates leaver and remainer alike were absolutely trivial compared to what the Labour Party faces here. Anyone who cares whether the Labour Party continues to exist or not must vote Eagle, for all her limitations. A vote for anything else is for the birds.
  • JohnO
    JohnO Posts: 4,312
    edited July 2016
    Alanbrooke said:

    JohnO said:

    Alanbrooke said:

    JohnO said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    JosiasJessop said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Classy from Mrs May, top praise for Dave as well.

    I shall be magnanimous towards to Brexiteers, unity and loyalty, onward Tories.

    Does that include Plato? ;)
    I shall defer to JohnO's judgement.

    He's primus inter pares of PB Tories
    We should always commend civility in our pb family.
    have you settled your bet Mr O ?
    Of course, immediately after you mentioned it and received a gracious thank you from Mike.
    You are a man of honour Mr O.

    I owe you a large drink and a train fare:-)
    I'll be at Stratford station (or do I mean Stretford?) at 10.30pm this evening with camel in tow.
  • TheScreamingEagles
    TheScreamingEagles Posts: 122,808
    kle4 said:

    I'd like to see Cameron in the Cabinet, quite frankly. I know it won't be the case for all sorts of reasons, personal and political, but Brexit aside we could have done a lot worse and it'd be an interesting change of pace to not have the outgoing PM immediately on the backbenches for a few years and then quit, or to just quit immediately, but to be willing and trusted to serve a new leader. But I don't think the willingness or trust would be there.

    I'd be quite happy to bet that within 10 years Dave will do an Alec Douglas-Home and be in the cabinet of his successor/successors.
  • Tabman
    Tabman Posts: 1,046
    Up to now, the role of the Parliamentary party has always taken precedence over the role of the party “in the country”. That is, Labour has organised itself as an entity whose overriding aim is to secure power through Parliament in order to govern. It is through being in government and the enactment of legislation, so the thinking has gone, that Labour has the best chance of shaping a society that reflects what are grandly called “Labour values”.

    Presumably the Corbynistas are interested in power but not via Parliament.
  • Richard_Tyndall
    Richard_Tyndall Posts: 33,463
    kle4 said:

    Scott_P said:

    @PickardJE: A usually reliable source says Boris will get offered a cabinet role but not Gove....

    Unless it's media and sport or something like that, not sure Boris deserves anything tbh.
    It would be a shame to see Gove moved from Justice. He has been building a great reforming programme there and it would be nice to see it continued.
  • kle4
    kle4 Posts: 99,113
    Gravitation said:

    Any thoughts on what Cameron will do? Can't see him hanging around on the backbenches for four years.

    Gordon Brown hung around, in name only apparently, while getting on with other stuff. I should think Cameron will do the same. The real test would be if there is an early GE and Cameron does bother to rest and,proving he really is interested in continuing to serve as an MP and maybe even back inthe Cabinet one day, rather than just sticking around so as not to appear to be flouncing off.
  • Scott_P
    Scott_P Posts: 51,453
    @PolhomeEditor: EXCL Owen Smith to run for Labour leadership - and could launch his campaign tomorrow https://t.co/GMSHMcRQLM https://t.co/eqkbXkuNBW
  • John_M
    John_M Posts: 7,503
    JosiasJessop said:

    kle4 said:

    I'd like to see Cameron in the Cabinet, quite frankly. I know it won't be the case for all sorts of reasons, personal and political, but Brexit aside we could have done a lot worse and it'd be an interesting change of pace to not have the outgoing PM immediately on the backbenches for a few years and then quit, or to just quit immediately, but to be willing and trusted to serve a new leader. But I don't think the willingness or trust would be there.

    Roving ambassador for trade and industry? Use his contacts and skills to go out and sell Britain and its goods?
    If there were any justice in the world, he'd be Minister for Brexit :).
  • kle4
    kle4 Posts: 99,113
    Tim_B said:

    RobD said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    RobD said:

    :O May is PM??

    She became Tory leader about 52 mins ago and she becomes PM on Wednesday afternoon
    This is what I get for sleeping :(
    - and she made a point in her speech of saying "Brexit means Brexit, and we're going to make a success of it."
    She's said it before, and a surprising number haven't believed her, she's going to have to keep saying it until she declares article 50.
  • TheScreamingEagles
    TheScreamingEagles Posts: 122,808
    edited July 2016
    RobD said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    RobD said:

    :O May is PM??

    She became Tory leader about 52 mins ago and she becomes PM on Wednesday afternoon
    This is what I get for sleeping :(
    Whatever you do, don't sleep from 11.30am BST on Wednesday onwards or you'll miss all the fun.
  • JohnO
    JohnO Posts: 4,312
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    kle4 said:

    I'd like to see Cameron in the Cabinet, quite frankly. I know it won't be the case for all sorts of reasons, personal and political, but Brexit aside we could have done a lot worse and it'd be an interesting change of pace to not have the outgoing PM immediately on the backbenches for a few years and then quit, or to just quit immediately, but to be willing and trusted to serve a new leader. But I don't think the willingness or trust would be there.

    I'd be quite happy to bet that within 10 years Dave will do an Alec Douglas-Home and be in the cabinet of his successor/successors.
    Exactly my view too. If he continues post 2020 as an MP, Foreign Sec is the obvious slot for him.
  • kle4
    kle4 Posts: 99,113
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    kle4 said:

    I'd like to see Cameron in the Cabinet, quite frankly. I know it won't be the case for all sorts of reasons, personal and political, but Brexit aside we could have done a lot worse and it'd be an interesting change of pace to not have the outgoing PM immediately on the backbenches for a few years and then quit, or to just quit immediately, but to be willing and trusted to serve a new leader. But I don't think the willingness or trust would be there.

    I'd be quite happy to bet that within 10 years Dave will do an Alec Douglas-Home and be in the cabinet of his successor/successors.
    We're it not for the unfesaibility of such a long term bet, I'd take you up on that, depending on the odds!
  • PlatoSaid
    PlatoSaid Posts: 10,383
    On Brexit, Theresa May ally Damian Green says new PM "won't start the negotiations until early next year"
  • HurstLlama
    HurstLlama Posts: 9,098
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    kle4 said:

    I'd like to see Cameron in the Cabinet, quite frankly. I know it won't be the case for all sorts of reasons, personal and political, but Brexit aside we could have done a lot worse and it'd be an interesting change of pace to not have the outgoing PM immediately on the backbenches for a few years and then quit, or to just quit immediately, but to be willing and trusted to serve a new leader. But I don't think the willingness or trust would be there.

    I'd be quite happy to bet that within 10 years Dave will do an Alec Douglas-Home and be in the cabinet of his successor/successors.
    I'd take that bet, but I doubt I'll be around to collect. Home was of a different mould than Cameron and lived in different times.

    You are a lawyer, how could we write such a bet into something so that when you lose it you pay out to my son/my estate pays you if you win?
  • JosiasJessop
    JosiasJessop Posts: 46,251
    Richard_Tyndall said:

    kle4 said:

    Scott_P said:

    @PickardJE: A usually reliable source says Boris will get offered a cabinet role but not Gove....

    Unless it's media and sport or something like that, not sure Boris deserves anything tbh.
    It would be a shame to see Gove moved from Justice. He has been building a great reforming programme there and it would be nice to see it continued.
    Agreed. But there's so much to do there as well ...
  • PlatoSaid
    PlatoSaid Posts: 10,383
    General Election
    Todays ICM Poll

    Aged 18-24 (65+)

    Labour 49% (21%)
    Conservatives 25% (51%)
    LibDems 10% (8%)
    UKIP 9% (15%)
    Greens 6% (1%)
  • Artist
    Artist Posts: 1,893
    Owen Smith probably has a better chance, early days but it doesn't seem like Corbynites are even prepared to consider Eagle.
  • RobD
    RobD Posts: 60,609
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    RobD said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    RobD said:

    :O May is PM??

    She became Tory leader about 52 mins ago and she becomes PM on Wednesday afternoon
    This is what I get for sleeping :(
    Whatever you do, don't sleep from 11.30am BST on Wednesday onwards or you'll miss all the fun.
    That'll be an early start!!
  • Morris_Dancer
    Morris_Dancer Posts: 62,742
    Miss Plato, tasty for Kippers and Conservatives.
  • Mortimer
    Mortimer Posts: 14,229
    John_M said:

    taffys said:

    ''Yes, it's odd how the LDs are basically a party full of old, white, straight men. Even the Tories are a more diverse bunch these days.''

    Yes but they are feeling VERY guilty about all of the above, so its OK.

    Male, Pale, Stale. Sadly, I couldn't think of a suitable homonym for 'irrelevant', so it'll have to do.
    Failed? Almost works....
  • dr_spyn
    dr_spyn Posts: 11,312
    Is May trying to set up a British branch of The Christian Social Union?

    Cameron returns as PM, within 18 months, after she resigns on health grounds after failing to negotiate Brexit.
  • PlatoSaid
    PlatoSaid Posts: 10,383
    Kevin Schofield
    EXCL Owen Smith to run for Labour leadership - and could launch his campaign tomorrow https://t.co/GMSHMcRQLM https://t.co/eqkbXkuNBW
  • RobD
    RobD Posts: 60,609
    edited July 2016
    PlatoSaid said:

    On Brexit, Theresa May ally Damian Green says new PM "won't start the negotiations until early next year"

    Consistent with what she said about invoking Article 50 at Christmas.
  • TheScreamingEagles
    TheScreamingEagles Posts: 122,808
    HurstLlama said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    kle4 said:

    I'd like to see Cameron in the Cabinet, quite frankly. I know it won't be the case for all sorts of reasons, personal and political, but Brexit aside we could have done a lot worse and it'd be an interesting change of pace to not have the outgoing PM immediately on the backbenches for a few years and then quit, or to just quit immediately, but to be willing and trusted to serve a new leader. But I don't think the willingness or trust would be there.

    I'd be quite happy to bet that within 10 years Dave will do an Alec Douglas-Home and be in the cabinet of his successor/successors.
    I'd take that bet, but I doubt I'll be around to collect. Home was of a different mould than Cameron and lived in different times.

    You are a lawyer, how could we write such a bet into something so that when you lose it you pay out to my son/my estate pays you if you win?
    Let me get back to you in the next few days.

    I'm about to watch Ghostbusters at the cinema.
  • Scott_P
    Scott_P Posts: 51,453
    @MarinaHyde: Labour's clock moves one minute closer to fucking midnight https://t.co/4wQeL5tYag
  • kle4
    kle4 Posts: 99,113
    PlatoSaid said:

    General Election
    Todays ICM Poll

    Aged 18-24 (65+)

    Labour 49% (21%)
    Conservatives 25% (51%)
    LibDems 10% (8%)
    UKIP 9% (15%)
    Greens 6% (1%)

    Greens not popula among the oldies, who'd have guessed.
  • saddened
    saddened Posts: 2,245
    Richard_Tyndall said:

    kle4 said:

    Scott_P said:

    @PickardJE: A usually reliable source says Boris will get offered a cabinet role but not Gove....

    Unless it's media and sport or something like that, not sure Boris deserves anything tbh.
    It would be a shame to see Gove moved from Justice. He has been building a great reforming programme there and it would be nice to see it continued.
    True, but I think he's shot his bolt for sometime to come. He can't expect to be rehabilitated in the short term.
  • David_Evershed
    David_Evershed Posts: 6,506
    edited July 2016
    PlatoSaid said:

    General Election
    Todays ICM Poll

    Aged 18-24 (65+)

    Labour 49% (21%)
    Conservatives 25% (51%)
    LibDems 10% (8%)
    UKIP 9% (15%)
    Greens 6% (1%)

    Sample size?
  • Scott_P
    Scott_P Posts: 51,453
    @alantravis40: Now heard two Westminster sources tipping James Brokenshire as next home secretary - May's capable immigration and security minister
  • oxfordsimon
    oxfordsimon Posts: 5,845
    PlatoSaid said:

    Kevin Schofield
    EXCL Owen Smith to run for Labour leadership - and could launch his campaign tomorrow https://t.co/GMSHMcRQLM https://t.co/eqkbXkuNBW

    They can't even get a challenge right. It is truly pathetic.
  • Ishmael_X
    Ishmael_X Posts: 3,664
    ukip email just in

    "Dear Friend,

    We’re going to have a Remain supporter Theresa May as Britain’s next Prime Minister.

    The Tory establishment with its media friends in tow have managed to hound Brexiteer Andrea Leadsom out of the race, and we’re now looking at a Brexit fudge.

    You only had to listen to the Home Secretary and next Prime Minister’s mealy mouthed statement on EU free movement this morning to realise what’s coming. She didn’t say she’d end it, she said she’d control it.

    All this talk of “leave means leave” means almost nothing.

    That’s why UKIP is needed now more than ever."
  • AndyJS
    AndyJS Posts: 29,395
    Theresa May was born in Eastbourne.
  • TheScreamingEagles
    TheScreamingEagles Posts: 122,808
    @MSmithsonPB: Can I thank Andrea Leadsom for triggering this series of momentous events on what is a rest day in the Tour de France
  • ChaosOdin
    ChaosOdin Posts: 67
    CarlottaVance said:

    rottenborough said:

    Rudd, Damien Green, Grayling, Green. The key people lined up behind May.

    Cabinet clues?

    May has known Green since Univerity (and Duncan, but not as well) - there was a feeling Green was overlooked by Cameron.....
    She went straight to talk to Duncan after her speech.
  • GIN1138
    GIN1138 Posts: 22,938
    edited July 2016
    PlatoSaid said:

    On Brexit, Theresa May ally Damian Green says new PM "won't start the negotiations until early next year"

    Into the long grass Brexit goes....

    The Conservative Party is heading for disaster.
  • MaxPB
    MaxPB Posts: 40,327
    Looking forwards, I'd like Carney to stay the expected interest rate drop and QE now that we have regained political stability. It would take 2-3% off markets but push Sterling above $1.33 and €1.20 and the whining lefties who don't understand the FX markets would shut up about it and stop talking the economy down.
  • Tim_B
    Tim_B Posts: 7,669
    In an even more important announcement (possibly) than Theresa May's accession to the premiership, Chris Evans throws his weight behind Matt LeBlanc to host Top Gear. On second thought, maybe it's not quite that important.
  • Scott_P
    Scott_P Posts: 51,453
    @JeremyCliffe: The definition of Corbynism: fruitless self-gratification; political onanism. https://t.co/Tnhm5C2HvF
  • MaxPB
    MaxPB Posts: 40,327
    GIN1138 said:

    PlatoSaid said:

    On Brexit, Theresa May ally Damian Green says new PM "won't start the negotiations until early next year"

    Into the long grass Brexit goes....

    The Conservative Party is heading for disaster.
    Damien Green and Dominic Grieve are both noted europhiles. Their views are to be put in the "ignore" pile.
  • RodCrosby
    RodCrosby Posts: 7,737
    Scott_P said:

    @PolhomeEditor: EXCL Owen Smith to run for Labour leadership - and could launch his campaign tomorrow https://t.co/GMSHMcRQLM https://t.co/eqkbXkuNBW

    Who?

    All the charisma of a parking attendant, or assistant librarian...
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