@foxinsouk I don't even think the electorate were thinking about their race, gender or religion that night tbh. I just think they wanted the LDs out. But I think Clegg (when he was leader) even spoke on the need for the LDs to become more diverse.
She simply is not up to being in Cabinet in my view. IMO. May needs to be ruthless. We need the best people available to deal with some very tricky issues. We don't need Cabinet jobs handed out as consolation prizes to those who have been tested and found wanting. There are others on the Brexit side who can be promoted in Cabinet who have behaved more competently and with more integrity than Leadsom has (other than when she finally pulled out of the race).
Whilst I agree, there is a political necessity for Theresa May to be magnanimous in victory and to acknowledge that Angela Leadsom got a fair bit of support both from MPs and in the party. It's a tricky problem, made worse by the fact that the other leading Brexiteers are not without their drawbacks.
Understand that. She can be put somewhere where she can do no harm. Not in an important front line role. She should not be part of the negotiating team for instance. Can you imagine how people in the EU will react to her? We need someone cool and collected and trustworthy and prepared to do the hard work and able to withstand the pressure.
Her support was because she was the last Brexiteer standing not because of her personal qualities, particularly. So long as there are sufficient Brexit people in the Cabinet I would have thought this would be fine. I would look to promoting some of the other Brexit Ministers, which would also have the advantage of bringing fresh faces in.
May needs to be ruthless. No room for sentimentality at this point.
Should we consider possibly Andrea Leadsom as next Chancellor for the betting markets? She's come out of this with some credit and the one thing everyone seems to agree is she is very financially literate and aware which could be useful for a Chancellor in these times.
Nah, it'll be Hammond. Dull accountant type exactly what is needed there imho.
As long as we do not get Osborne as Foreign Secretary. Personally dislikeable and prone to childish games. Completely unsuited for the role.
Mrs May needs to remove Osborne as a rival as her first act. He has the advantage of age. An EU commissioner or Ambassadorship would be a good idea.
You haven't really thought through this Brexit business, have you?
It would be quite appropriate. Give him a taste of what might have been before he gets made extinct.
Peaceniks should elect me PM. If the letter explaining what needs to be done in the event of a preemptive strike against the UK has to be in my hand, nothing would ever happen.
"Sir! The UK's been attacked and we can't pick up Radio 4!" "Damn, XO. I suppose we'd better have a cup of tea and open the letter."
Five hours later: "No sir, I think it says "The porpoise is sailing up the Arctic." "Rubbish XO! It clearly says "The Yeti is climbing the Eiger."
@foxinsouk I don't even think the electorate were thinking about their race, gender or religion that night tbh. I just think they wanted the LDs out. But I think Clegg (when he was leader) even spoke on the need for the LDs to become more diverse.
The local LDs are a pretty diverse bunch. Most LD MPs came up via local govt, then built on that before going to Westminster. It is a better training ground for the post rather than SPADery.
Should we consider possibly Andrea Leadsom as next Chancellor for the betting markets? She's come out of this with some credit and the one thing everyone seems to agree is she is very financially literate and aware which could be useful for a Chancellor in these times.
Also Nicky Morgan could be Home Secretary with Theresa Villiers as Foreign Secretary making it 4 out of 4 for women in the top jobs.
Morgan is useless.
Not her. Please.
Let's stop worrying about gender and concentrate on competence.
Morgan has been a disaster in her present role, as has Gibb (schools minister) - even in the face of mass graduate underemployment, they still cannot persuade people to train as teachers - even with sometime huge financial incentives.
@foxinsouk I don't even think the electorate were thinking about their race, gender or religion that night tbh. I just think they wanted the LDs out. But I think Clegg (when he was leader) even spoke on the need for the LDs to become more diverse.
The local LDs are a pretty diverse bunch. Most LD MPs came up via local govt, then built on that before going to Westminster. It is a better training ground for the post rather than SPADery.
It's hard to be diverse when there are only eight of you.
Congratulations to Theresa May on her elevation to party leader – now sign the bloody A50.
She will
But not before 31/12/2016
She will. She'll be hounded every minute until she does, as she has no mandate from the members for whatever strategy she picks, so the MPs are free to go after her on it.
The war is over, and yet still they fight on, like stranded Japanese soldiers in the jungle...
@IainDale: .@afneil@JohnRentoul Trade cannot possibly be Osborne. Has to be a Brexiter, as do Chancellor & Foreign Secretary IMHO.
Osborne as Foreign Secretary may be a smart move.
He's temperamentally well suited to it.
I respectfully disagree Mr. Glenn. Osborne has, in my view, been a very political chancellor inasmuch as his energies have been concentrated on short term party political advantage and clever wheezes. Quite the opposite of what one would want on a Foreign Secretary.
If he has to have a role then make him Party Chairman but preferably thank him for his efforts and send him to the back benches.
I shall be magnanimous towards to Brexiteers, unity and loyalty, onward Tories.
Many of us on the Brexit side were already supporting May! Over half IMO.
TSE gets to be gracious. As in 'in defeat'. We get to be magnanimous. However, that tiny point of order aside, let us all unite as one big happy PB Tory family.
As for @Platosaid I've always enjoyed her posts, long may she continue to add to the gaiety of PB.
I'd like to see Cameron in the Cabinet, quite frankly. I know it won't be the case for all sorts of reasons, personal and political, but Brexit aside we could have done a lot worse and it'd be an interesting change of pace to not have the outgoing PM immediately on the backbenches for a few years and then quit, or to just quit immediately, but to be willing and trusted to serve a new leader. But I don't think the willingness or trust would be there.
I'd like to see Cameron in the Cabinet, quite frankly. I know it won't be the case for all sorts of reasons, personal and political, but Brexit aside we could have done a lot worse and it'd be an interesting change of pace to not have the outgoing PM immediately on the backbenches for a few years and then quit, or to just quit immediately, but to be willing and trusted to serve a new leader. But I don't think the willingness or trust would be there.
Roving ambassador for trade and industry? Use his contacts and skills to go out and sell Britain and its goods?
Excellent piece SO. The differences between all the Tory candidates leaver and remainer alike were absolutely trivial compared to what the Labour Party faces here. Anyone who cares whether the Labour Party continues to exist or not must vote Eagle, for all her limitations. A vote for anything else is for the birds.
I'd like to see Cameron in the Cabinet, quite frankly. I know it won't be the case for all sorts of reasons, personal and political, but Brexit aside we could have done a lot worse and it'd be an interesting change of pace to not have the outgoing PM immediately on the backbenches for a few years and then quit, or to just quit immediately, but to be willing and trusted to serve a new leader. But I don't think the willingness or trust would be there.
I'd be quite happy to bet that within 10 years Dave will do an Alec Douglas-Home and be in the cabinet of his successor/successors.
Up to now, the role of the Parliamentary party has always taken precedence over the role of the party “in the country”. That is, Labour has organised itself as an entity whose overriding aim is to secure power through Parliament in order to govern. It is through being in government and the enactment of legislation, so the thinking has gone, that Labour has the best chance of shaping a society that reflects what are grandly called “Labour values”.
Presumably the Corbynistas are interested in power but not via Parliament.
Any thoughts on what Cameron will do? Can't see him hanging around on the backbenches for four years.
Gordon Brown hung around, in name only apparently, while getting on with other stuff. I should think Cameron will do the same. The real test would be if there is an early GE and Cameron does bother to rest and,proving he really is interested in continuing to serve as an MP and maybe even back inthe Cabinet one day, rather than just sticking around so as not to appear to be flouncing off.
I'd like to see Cameron in the Cabinet, quite frankly. I know it won't be the case for all sorts of reasons, personal and political, but Brexit aside we could have done a lot worse and it'd be an interesting change of pace to not have the outgoing PM immediately on the backbenches for a few years and then quit, or to just quit immediately, but to be willing and trusted to serve a new leader. But I don't think the willingness or trust would be there.
Roving ambassador for trade and industry? Use his contacts and skills to go out and sell Britain and its goods?
If there were any justice in the world, he'd be Minister for Brexit .
I'd like to see Cameron in the Cabinet, quite frankly. I know it won't be the case for all sorts of reasons, personal and political, but Brexit aside we could have done a lot worse and it'd be an interesting change of pace to not have the outgoing PM immediately on the backbenches for a few years and then quit, or to just quit immediately, but to be willing and trusted to serve a new leader. But I don't think the willingness or trust would be there.
I'd be quite happy to bet that within 10 years Dave will do an Alec Douglas-Home and be in the cabinet of his successor/successors.
Exactly my view too. If he continues post 2020 as an MP, Foreign Sec is the obvious slot for him.
I'd like to see Cameron in the Cabinet, quite frankly. I know it won't be the case for all sorts of reasons, personal and political, but Brexit aside we could have done a lot worse and it'd be an interesting change of pace to not have the outgoing PM immediately on the backbenches for a few years and then quit, or to just quit immediately, but to be willing and trusted to serve a new leader. But I don't think the willingness or trust would be there.
I'd be quite happy to bet that within 10 years Dave will do an Alec Douglas-Home and be in the cabinet of his successor/successors.
We're it not for the unfesaibility of such a long term bet, I'd take you up on that, depending on the odds!
I'd like to see Cameron in the Cabinet, quite frankly. I know it won't be the case for all sorts of reasons, personal and political, but Brexit aside we could have done a lot worse and it'd be an interesting change of pace to not have the outgoing PM immediately on the backbenches for a few years and then quit, or to just quit immediately, but to be willing and trusted to serve a new leader. But I don't think the willingness or trust would be there.
I'd be quite happy to bet that within 10 years Dave will do an Alec Douglas-Home and be in the cabinet of his successor/successors.
I'd take that bet, but I doubt I'll be around to collect. Home was of a different mould than Cameron and lived in different times.
You are a lawyer, how could we write such a bet into something so that when you lose it you pay out to my son/my estate pays you if you win?
I'd like to see Cameron in the Cabinet, quite frankly. I know it won't be the case for all sorts of reasons, personal and political, but Brexit aside we could have done a lot worse and it'd be an interesting change of pace to not have the outgoing PM immediately on the backbenches for a few years and then quit, or to just quit immediately, but to be willing and trusted to serve a new leader. But I don't think the willingness or trust would be there.
I'd be quite happy to bet that within 10 years Dave will do an Alec Douglas-Home and be in the cabinet of his successor/successors.
I'd take that bet, but I doubt I'll be around to collect. Home was of a different mould than Cameron and lived in different times.
You are a lawyer, how could we write such a bet into something so that when you lose it you pay out to my son/my estate pays you if you win?
We’re going to have a Remain supporter Theresa May as Britain’s next Prime Minister.
The Tory establishment with its media friends in tow have managed to hound Brexiteer Andrea Leadsom out of the race, and we’re now looking at a Brexit fudge.
You only had to listen to the Home Secretary and next Prime Minister’s mealy mouthed statement on EU free movement this morning to realise what’s coming. She didn’t say she’d end it, she said she’d control it.
All this talk of “leave means leave” means almost nothing.
Looking forwards, I'd like Carney to stay the expected interest rate drop and QE now that we have regained political stability. It would take 2-3% off markets but push Sterling above $1.33 and €1.20 and the whining lefties who don't understand the FX markets would shut up about it and stop talking the economy down.
In an even more important announcement (possibly) than Theresa May's accession to the premiership, Chris Evans throws his weight behind Matt LeBlanc to host Top Gear. On second thought, maybe it's not quite that important.
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@taffys LOL.
Understand that. She can be put somewhere where she can do no harm. Not in an important front line role. She should not be part of the negotiating team for instance. Can you imagine how people in the EU will react to her? We need someone cool and collected and trustworthy and prepared to do the hard work and able to withstand the pressure.
Her support was because she was the last Brexiteer standing not because of her personal qualities, particularly. So long as there are sufficient Brexit people in the Cabinet I would have thought this would be fine. I would look to promoting some of the other Brexit Ministers, which would also have the advantage of bringing fresh faces in.
May needs to be ruthless. No room for sentimentality at this point.
'Tim Farron is just plain silly - trying to force an election as the Government does not have a mandate to take us out of Europe'
Assuming anyone knows who he is, they surely don't take his brand of students union politics seriously.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P26J6zpj7-0
I shall be magnanimous towards to Brexiteers, unity and loyalty, onward Tories.
"Sir! The UK's been attacked and we can't pick up Radio 4!"
"Damn, XO. I suppose we'd better have a cup of tea and open the letter."
Five hours later:
"No sir, I think it says "The porpoise is sailing up the Arctic."
"Rubbish XO! It clearly says "The Yeti is climbing the Eiger."
it doesnt bode well or fit with the mood.
He's primus inter pares of PB Tories
Perhaps you could just post about what you think instead.
There are only so many government roles to be filled. Some MPs will be disappointed.
And may of them have appeared on our screens today, faces like slapped arses, complaining of dirty tricks
Apparently Tim Montgomerie is also having a bad day. Shame.
'Sadiq Khan would be another option. Shame that the Tooting by-election's been and gone - he could have stood! '
We have already seen him in action and it took him less than two months in office to break his key election pledge, must be a record.
Who knows, he may meet his first girlfriend while he's travelling.
I think he's going to be my tip for Theresa's successor.
If he has to have a role then make him Party Chairman but preferably thank him for his efforts and send him to the back benches.
You lot have made me into a nerd!
I owe you a large drink and a train fare:-)
As for @Platosaid I've always enjoyed her posts, long may she continue to add to the gaiety of PB.
https://twitter.com/jakeberger_/status/752533273671299074
May the PM be with you.
But in the name of peace and harmony, I'll stop.
http://d25d2506sfb94s.cloudfront.net/cumulus_uploads/document/4s7vvulwm6/EveningStandardResults_London_SadiqMayor_EURef_Housing_Independence_Website.pdf
Compare with Corbyn's approval ratings.
http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/who-would-be-in-theresa-mays-cabinet-a7128516.html
Presumably the Corbynistas are interested in power but not via Parliament.
You are a lawyer, how could we write such a bet into something so that when you lose it you pay out to my son/my estate pays you if you win?
Todays ICM Poll
Aged 18-24 (65+)
Labour 49% (21%)
Conservatives 25% (51%)
LibDems 10% (8%)
UKIP 9% (15%)
Greens 6% (1%)
Cameron returns as PM, within 18 months, after she resigns on health grounds after failing to negotiate Brexit.
EXCL Owen Smith to run for Labour leadership - and could launch his campaign tomorrow https://t.co/GMSHMcRQLM https://t.co/eqkbXkuNBW
I'm about to watch Ghostbusters at the cinema.
"Dear Friend,
We’re going to have a Remain supporter Theresa May as Britain’s next Prime Minister.
The Tory establishment with its media friends in tow have managed to hound Brexiteer Andrea Leadsom out of the race, and we’re now looking at a Brexit fudge.
You only had to listen to the Home Secretary and next Prime Minister’s mealy mouthed statement on EU free movement this morning to realise what’s coming. She didn’t say she’d end it, she said she’d control it.
All this talk of “leave means leave” means almost nothing.
That’s why UKIP is needed now more than ever."
The Conservative Party is heading for disaster.
All the charisma of a parking attendant, or assistant librarian...