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You have to see it from the perspective of the likes of the SWP, the Socialist Party, Left Unity, the CPGB, the Peoples Assemblies and all the other myriad of utterly unelectable far left groups that Corbyn would have been perfectly at home in had he not chosen to stick in the Labour Party. Securing a revolution within the Labour Party to transform it irreversably into their image but with a residual 15% of support at the ballot box after a split will still count as a triumph for them.SouthamObserver said:
My view is that if Corbyn does win again, Labour is bound to split, if only because a number of current Labour MPs are going to be deselected and will no longer sit on the labour benches. Others will join them. Corbyn and his allies will welcome that split. They want to take Labour onto the streets. Parliament is bourgeois. Socialism will only be delivered when the proletariat rise up. A few more years of Tory rule should hasten that. I'd laugh at the stupidity if it were not so sad.0 -
credit to the Conservatives TSE, second female PM and no dicking about.TheScreamingEagles said:Rejoice. Rejoice, REJOICE
labour on the other hand.......0 -
Congratulations to Theresa May on her elevation to party leader – now sign the bloody A50.0
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It's a very good idea. It might even work.rottenborough said:
No, I proposed the same idea a few days ago. No sign of a book available on it. It is a good idea.Paul_Bedfordshire said:
I'm wonderIng if Lord (Neil) Kinnock might put himself forward. In good health, only a year or two older than Corbyn, widely respected in party. Could serve a couple of years implement reforms to sort the mess out and stand down in late 2018 to give his sucsessor time to bed in before 2020 election?
I cant think of anyone else who could avoid utter disaster. Batley means he could resign from Lords and be parachuted into commons unopposed.
Any odds available?0 -
Louise Mensch @LouiseMensch 10m10 minutes ago
Cameron humming is so great. I love it and him. Thank you @David_Cameron you were a transformative and wonderful Prime Minister0 -
She willSimonStClare said:Congratulations to Theresa May on her elevation to party leader – now sign the bloody A50.
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Right can Betfair suspend the markets now.,0
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Meanwhile, it's a bit ironic that the leader of the party which was the architect of the Fixed Term Parliaments Act is now calling for an early general election.0
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Surely the point of having worked in financial services isnt what youve done ( it's a massively wide brief ) but knowing which questions to ask and who to trust for advice ?Cyclefree said:
No - as she herself has said she spent 10 years at Invesco writing compensation agreements i.e. her expertise is in HR. We need a real expert to deal with financial services. If she has to be in Cabinet, somewhere where she can do no harm is the best bet. She's shown she can't deal with even the tiniest bit of pressure. We don't need a flaky drama queen in an important role.Philip_Thompson said:
Yes. Leader is a step too far, but she could do a good job as a cabinet member and her expertise is in finance which could be useful in these times.surbiton said:
Are you being serious ?Philip_Thompson said:Should we consider possibly Andrea Leadsom as next Chancellor for the betting markets? She's come out of this with some credit and the one thing everyone seems to agree is she is very financially literate and aware which could be useful for a Chancellor in these times.
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Interesting context around clause 1:
"Its purpose is to organise and maintain in Parliament AND in the country a political Labour Party"
The 'AND' suggests that this should never have come to a one vs the other choice. It could be argued that Labour in government never cared much for Labour in the country (and I don't just mean 97-10), sometimes out of necessity of the party's rules at the time, and that contributed to Corbyn ending up leader. Perhaps the ultimate answer lies in finding a way to cherish both goals enough but, then again, I'm not sure any political party of power has ever fully cracked that nut.0 -
Both of them without the need for all women shortlistsAlanbrooke said:
credit to the Conservatives TSE, second female PM and no dicking about.TheScreamingEagles said:Rejoice. Rejoice, REJOICE
labour on the other hand.......0 -
Loanshark at the door?Pulpstar said:Right can Betfair suspend the markets now.,
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What matters is not actually having female PMs, but how much you desire to have one. As such, a pink bus is worth at least one female PM; t-shirts stating 'this is what a feminist looks like' are worth at least three.Alanbrooke said:
credit to the Conservatives TSE, second female PM and no dicking about.TheScreamingEagles said:Rejoice. Rejoice, REJOICE
labour on the other hand.......
As such, Labour have had more female PMs than the Conservatives without ever having had one.0 -
The FTPA was necessary for a coalition to work.Wulfrun_Phil said:Meanwhile, it's a bit ironic that the leader of the party which was the architect of the Fixed Term Parliaments Act is now calling for an early general election.
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Come on BF, pay up. 1922 have announced.
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Sadiq Khan would be another option. Shame that the Tooting by-election's been and gone - he could have stood!rottenborough said:
I'm wonderIng if Lord (Neil) Kinnock might put himself forward. In good health, only a year or two older than Corbyn, widely respected in party. Could serve a couple of years implement reforms to sort the mess out and stand down in late 2018 to give his sucsessor time to bed in before 2020 election?
I cant think of anyone else who could avoid utter disaster. Batley means he could resign from Lords and be parachuted into commons unopposed.
Any odds available?
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Interesting post. Kinnock is a very skilful operator, and wears the stripes from his defeat of militant in the 1980s. Hmm.Paul_Bedfordshire said:
I'm wonderIng if Lord (Neil) Kinnock might put himself forward. In good health, only a year or two older than Corbyn, widely respected in party. Could serve a couple of years implement reforms to sort the mess out and stand down in late 2018 to give his sucsessor time to bed in before 2020 election?
I cant think of anyone else who could avoid utter disaster. Batley means he could resign from Lords and be parachuted into commons unopposed.
Any odds available?0 -
Mr. Eagles may like this:
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Hooray, all is right with the world: Alan Mak has manouvered himself into a prominent slot among the MPs waiting for Theresa.0
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Meanwhile on the other side of the house:
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What is she smoking these days?rottenborough said:Louise Mensch @LouiseMensch 10m10 minutes ago
Cameron humming is so great. I love it and him. Thank you @David_Cameron you were a transformative and wonderful Prime Minister0 -
JohnO said:
Hooray, all is right with the world: Alan Mak has manouvered himself into a prominent slot among the MPs waiting for Theresa.
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Ha, listening to Huw Edwards talking about Conservatives being 'vicious' about each other over the weekend. One suspects reuniting the Conservatives will be a shade easier than reuniting Labour.0
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Haha. Apart from a trot rump in the big cities the Labour Party is finished.Jobabob said:
Interesting post. Kinnock is a very skilful operator, and wears the stripes from his defeat of militant in the 1980s. Hmm.Paul_Bedfordshire said:
I'm wonderIng if Lord (Neil) Kinnock might put himself forward. In good health, only a year or two older than Corbyn, widely respected in party. Could serve a couple of years implement reforms to sort the mess out and stand down in late 2018 to give his sucsessor time to bed in before 2020 election?
I cant think of anyone else who could avoid utter disaster. Batley means he could resign from Lords and be parachuted into commons unopposed.
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Is she auditioning to be on X Factor or something? Perhaps wants a place on the panel of Loose Women?MaxPB said:Meanwhile on the other side of the house:
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Trickett now on Sky calling for the destruction of the Labour party via an early election.
I didn't think things could any more surreal.0 -
TICIPM?The_Apocalypse said:May is now officially Tory leader.
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You don't go to someone in HR for that. In my experience, they are absolutely incapable of doing either, with v rare exceptions. Leadsom is not one of them. Someone as good as bullshitting as she is is not the person you need to ask the right questions, have an appropriately sceptical mind and make the right judgment calls. You need someone who is prepared to be good at the detail because a lot of the issues are to do with detail and unintended consequences and understanding how other issues impact on financial services or are impacted by them e.g. what sort of deal we get on data protection will have a very important effect on financial services.Alanbrooke said:
Surely the point of having worked in financial services isnt what youve done ( it's a massively wide brief ) but knowing which questions to ask and who to trust for advice ?Cyclefree said:
No - as she herself has said she spent 10 years at Invesco writing compensation agreements i.e. her expertise is in HR. We need a real expert to deal with financial services. If she has to be in Cabinet, somewhere where she can do no harm is the best bet. She's shown she can't deal with even the tiniest bit of pressure. We don't need a flaky drama queen in an important role.Philip_Thompson said:
Yes. Leader is a step too far, but she could do a good job as a cabinet member and her expertise is in finance which could be useful in these times.surbiton said:
Are you being serious ?Philip_Thompson said:Should we consider possibly Andrea Leadsom as next Chancellor for the betting markets? She's come out of this with some credit and the one thing everyone seems to agree is she is very financially literate and aware which could be useful for a Chancellor in these times.
Leadsom has blown her own financial credibility out of the water with her stupidity. I'd keep her well away. She didn't shine as City Minister when she was in that role.
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And a simple majority in the Commons can repeal it. Simples.logical_song said:
The FTPA was necessary for a coalition to work.Wulfrun_Phil said:Meanwhile, it's a bit ironic that the leader of the party which was the architect of the Fixed Term Parliaments Act is now calling for an early general election.
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that's like all those Oxbridge dorks who preach diversity except when it applies to them. :-)JosiasJessop said:
What matters is not actually having female PMs, but how much you desire to have one. As such, a pink bus is worth at least one female PM; t-shirts stating 'this is what a feminist looks like' are worth at least three.Alanbrooke said:
credit to the Conservatives TSE, second female PM and no dicking about.TheScreamingEagles said:Rejoice. Rejoice, REJOICE
labour on the other hand.......
As such, Labour have had more female PMs than the Conservatives without ever having had one.
Labour are as progressive as a wheelless cart in a swamp powered by 2 legless mules.0 -
The A50's long; surely she's got better things to do than graffiting 100 miles of road. Mind you, she could always divert off to drop in for a cup of tea with my parents (or at the excellent Salt Box cafe at Hatton - past winner of the best transport cafe in Britain).Big_G_NorthWales said:
She willSimonStClare said:Congratulations to Theresa May on her elevation to party leader – now sign the bloody A50.
Edit: oh, not that A50.
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It looks like a cheap perfume logo.oxfordsimon said:
Is she auditioning to be on X Factor or something? Perhaps wants a place on the panel of Loose Women?MaxPB said:Meanwhile on the other side of the house:
Angela by Angela Eagle.0 -
The actualité is scarcely less grotesque.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Eagles may like this:
https://twitter.com/bellacaledonia/status/752535625874702341
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From the gossip I heard, that's something of an understatement.Cyclefree said:She didn't shine as City Minister when she was in that role.
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Labour MP Jon Trickett on Sky News repeats his belief that there will be an early general election at which he hopes Jeremy Corbyn will be elected prime minister.0
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I think that's what certain PBers will be thinking;). I have a positive view of May so it's more TIPM!Paul_Bedfordshire said:
TICIPM?The_Apocalypse said:May is now officially Tory leader.
EDIT: Do you mean TICIPM = Theresa is coronated is Prime Minister? As opposed to what was my first thought = Theresa is Crap is Prime Minister (from EICIPM).0 -
Awesome.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Eagles may like this:
https://twitter.com/PeteMC666/status/7525097291932057600 -
So very true! Like Jade Goody'snumbertwelve said:
It looks like a cheap perfume logo.oxfordsimon said:
Is she auditioning to be on X Factor or something? Perhaps wants a place on the panel of Loose Women?MaxPB said:Meanwhile on the other side of the house:
Angela by Angela Eagle.
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Plus not a pink bus in sight.TheScreamingEagles said:
Both of them without the need for all women shortlistsAlanbrooke said:
credit to the Conservatives TSE, second female PM and no dicking about.TheScreamingEagles said:Rejoice. Rejoice, REJOICE
labour on the other hand.......0 -
55%pbr2013 said:
And a simple majority in the Commons can repeal it. Simples.logical_song said:
The FTPA was necessary for a coalition to work.Wulfrun_Phil said:Meanwhile, it's a bit ironic that the leader of the party which was the architect of the Fixed Term Parliaments Act is now calling for an early general election.
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Chortle.AndyJS said:Labour MP Jon Trickett on Sky News repeats his belief that there will be an early general election at which he hopes Jeremy Corbyn will be elected prime minister.
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When I see that piccie of her signature, I read it as 'Arrggggh!'MaxPB said:Meanwhile on the other side of the house:
Which is probably what is going through the minds of everyone in the Labour Party: "Argh Eagles!"0 -
I'm actually sad about that. Rather them than UKIP.pbr2013 said:
Haha. Apart from a trot rump in the big cities the Labour Party is finished.Jobabob said:
Interesting post. Kinnock is a very skilful operator, and wears the stripes from his defeat of militant in the 1980s. Hmm.Paul_Bedfordshire said:
I'm wonderIng if Lord (Neil) Kinnock might put himself forward. In good health, only a year or two older than Corbyn, widely respected in party. Could serve a couple of years implement reforms to sort the mess out and stand down in late 2018 to give his sucsessor time to bed in before 2020 election?
I cant think of anyone else who could avoid utter disaster. Batley means he could resign from Lords and be parachuted into commons unopposed.
Any odds available?0 -
A fragrance that manages to be both weak and offensive at the same timenumbertwelve said:
It looks like a cheap perfume logo.oxfordsimon said:
Is she auditioning to be on X Factor or something? Perhaps wants a place on the panel of Loose Women?MaxPB said:Meanwhile on the other side of the house:
Angela by Angela Eagle.0 -
In which case it should have been drafted to expire at the end of that parliament, not be permanent.rottenborough said:Come on BF, pay up. 1922 have announced.
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Also Nicky Morgan could be Home Secretary with Theresa Villiers as Foreign Secretary making it 4 out of 4 for women in the top jobs.Philip_Thompson said:Should we consider possibly Andrea Leadsom as next Chancellor for the betting markets? She's come out of this with some credit and the one thing everyone seems to agree is she is very financially literate and aware which could be useful for a Chancellor in these times.
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Very poor, it was supposed to be her big break, Dave put her in and then Osborne was proven right so she got shunted sideways to energy.Richard_Nabavi said:
From the gossip I heard, that's something of an understatement.Cyclefree said:She didn't shine as City Minister when she was in that role.
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@JosiasJessop May actually wore that 'this is what a feminist looks like' t-shirt!
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Hey Labour. This is what a female PM looks like.Theuniondivvie said:
The actualité is scarcely less grotesque.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Eagles may like this:
https://twitter.com/bellacaledonia/status/7525356258747023410 -
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May Is Coronated Is Prime Minister0 -
A truly pathetic sight. A man who barely anyone knows, who leads a party barely anyone remembers, trying to stay relevant by any means possible.Big_G_NorthWales said:Tim Farron is just plain silly - trying to force an election as the Government does not have a mandate to take us out of Europe
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Sky interview with Crispin Blunt is followed by one with Stewart Jackson. Crispin Blunt immediately walks off into the far distance.0
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Tis all very er, pink! – Some party members not enamoured by Eagle decision to stand against Corbyn have described it as resembling more a tampax commercial than a campaign launch. Harsh but true…numbertwelve said:
It looks like a cheap perfume logo.oxfordsimon said:
Is she auditioning to be on X Factor or something? Perhaps wants a place on the panel of Loose Women?MaxPB said:Meanwhile on the other side of the house:
Angela by Angela Eagle.0 -
Brandon Lewis appears as one of the advanced party (keep an eye on Buncco's tip) and Alec Shelbrooke loitering with intent.0
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Well done to Andrea Leadsom for doing the sensible thing.
Well done to the Tory party for ruthlessly squishing a 12-week scrap into a two-week one (Labour - take note!)
Well done Theresa May* on becoming leader
Well done David Cameron for being a good PM during very tough times, and for being brave enough to call a referendum.
Today was a good day for the country.
*My only reservation is Chris Grayling. I hope he doesn't become Chancellor. He's not a politician who fills me with a great deal of confidence!0 -
Did she! I'd love to see a piccie of that!The_Apocalypse said:@JosiasJessop May actually wore that 'this is what a feminist looks like' t-shirt!
Mind you, that now means that we've had five female Conservative PMs
The Lib Dems really need to play catchup. I cannot help but partially blame Rennard for the fact that none of the eight MPs are female.0 -
Osborne as Foreign Secretary may be a smart move.Scott_P said:The war is over, and yet still they fight on, like stranded Japanese soldiers in the jungle...
@IainDale: .@afneil @JohnRentoul Trade cannot possibly be Osborne. Has to be a Brexiter, as do Chancellor & Foreign Secretary IMHO.0 -
Oooh and Dom Raab!0
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15%Wulfrun_Phil said:
You have to see it from the perspective of the likes of the SWP, the Socialist Party, Left Unity, the CPGB, the Peoples Assemblies and all the other myriad of utterly unelectable far left groups that Corbyn would have been perfectly at home in had he not chosen to stick in the Labour Party. Securing a revolution within the Labour Party to transform it irreversably into their image but with a residual 15% of support at the ballot box after a split will still count as a triumph for them.SouthamObserver said:
My view is that if Corbyn does win again, Labour is bound to split, if only because a number of current Labour MPs are going to be deselected and will no longer sit on the labour benches. Others will join them. Corbyn and his allies will welcome that split. They want to take Labour onto the streets. Parliament is bourgeois. Socialism will only be delivered when the proletariat rise up. A few more years of Tory rule should hasten that. I'd laugh at the stupidity if it were not so sad.
Electoral Calculus http://tinyurl.com/zkv7yy5 with:
C 40%, Lab 15%, Lib15%, UKIP 20%, G 3%
gives 131 Lab MPs and they are still, easily, the official opposition.
Comrade jez is still LoTO.
He just needs to hang in there. After the asteroid, he is PM.0 -
I was being kind!Richard_Nabavi said:
From the gossip I heard, that's something of an understatement.Cyclefree said:She didn't shine as City Minister when she was in that role.
She simply is not up to being in Cabinet in my view. IMO. May needs to be ruthless. We need the best people available to deal with some very tricky issues. We don't need Cabinet jobs handed out as consolation prizes to those who have been tested and found wanting. There are others on the Brexit side who can be promoted in Cabinet who have behaved more competently and with more integrity than Leadsom has (other than when she finally pulled out of the race).
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It's serious vs bullshit. Look at hoe May launched her leadership bid, in a library being very serious about the headwinds facing the country. Eagle has a pink bus poster.SimonStClare said:
Tis all very er, pink! – Some party members not enamoured by Eagle decision to stand against Corbyn have described it as resembling more a tampax commercial than a campaign launch. Harsh but true…numbertwelve said:
It looks like a cheap perfume logo.oxfordsimon said:
Is she auditioning to be on X Factor or something? Perhaps wants a place on the panel of Loose Women?MaxPB said:Meanwhile on the other side of the house:
Angela by Angela Eagle.0 -
No, 50%. In any case you don't need to repeal it, you just need the Government to pass a vote of no confidence in itself and then wait for two weeks.surbiton said:
55%pbr2013 said:
And a simple majority in the Commons can repeal it. Simples.logical_song said:
The FTPA was necessary for a coalition to work.Wulfrun_Phil said:Meanwhile, it's a bit ironic that the leader of the party which was the architect of the Fixed Term Parliaments Act is now calling for an early general election.
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https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=theresa+may+this+is+what+a+feminist+looks+like&biw=1600&bih=775&tbm=isch&imgil=TLlNc_TU8VEFTM%3A%3BIPMBSOaePX_7WM%3Bhttps%253A%252F%252Fwww.theguardian.com%252Flifeandstyle%252F2015%252Fjun%252F22%252Fbridget-christie-feminists-sex-men-book-extract&source=iu&pf=m&fir=TLlNc_TU8VEFTM%3A%2CIPMBSOaePX_7WM%2C_&usg=__EWeAUdza_XMOsF3_h4excKqy690=&ved=0ahUKEwjt6vbX6evNAhWoJ8AKHf6iATAQyjcIJw&ei=jsiDV-3rE6jPgAb-xYaAAw#imgrc=TLlNc_TU8VEFTM:JosiasJessop said:
Did she! I'd love to see a piccie of that!The_Apocalypse said:@JosiasJessop May actually wore that 'this is what a feminist looks like' t-shirt!
Mind you, that now means that we've had five female Conservative PMs
The Lib Dems really need to play catchup. I cannot help but partially blame Rennard for the fact that none of the eight MPs are female.
Yes, it's odd how the LDs are basically a party full of old, white, straight men. Even the Tories are a more diverse bunch these days.
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But not before 31/12/2016Big_G_NorthWales said:
She willSimonStClare said:Congratulations to Theresa May on her elevation to party leader – now sign the bloody A50.
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Brilliant!oxfordsimon said:
A fragrance that manages to be both weak and offensive at the same timenumbertwelve said:
It looks like a cheap perfume logo.oxfordsimon said:
Is she auditioning to be on X Factor or something? Perhaps wants a place on the panel of Loose Women?MaxPB said:Meanwhile on the other side of the house:
Angela by Angela Eagle.
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Morgan is useless.AndyJS said:
Also Nicky Morgan could be Home Secretary with Theresa Villiers as Foreign Secretary making it 4 out of 4 for women in the top jobs.Philip_Thompson said:Should we consider possibly Andrea Leadsom as next Chancellor for the betting markets? She's come out of this with some credit and the one thing everyone seems to agree is she is very financially literate and aware which could be useful for a Chancellor in these times.
Not her. Please.
Let's stop worrying about gender and concentrate on competence.0 -
He's temperamentally well suited to it.MP_SE said:
Osborne as Foreign Secretary may be a smart move.Scott_P said:The war is over, and yet still they fight on, like stranded Japanese soldiers in the jungle...
@IainDale: .@afneil @JohnRentoul Trade cannot possibly be Osborne. Has to be a Brexiter, as do Chancellor & Foreign Secretary IMHO.
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Liam Fox pushes his way into the front of the MPs waiting to hear May, squashing a couple of people to one side. A true gent.0
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Morgan needs consigning to the backbenches asap.Cyclefree said:
Morgan is useless.AndyJS said:
Also Nicky Morgan could be Home Secretary with Theresa Villiers as Foreign Secretary making it 4 out of 4 for women in the top jobs.Philip_Thompson said:Should we consider possibly Andrea Leadsom as next Chancellor for the betting markets? She's come out of this with some credit and the one thing everyone seems to agree is she is very financially literate and aware which could be useful for a Chancellor in these times.
Not her. Please.
Let's stop worrying about gender and concentrate on competence.0 -
I suspect it was an attempt to show how progressive it would be to elect a Lesbian - going for the pink vote.MaxPB said:
It's serious vs bullshit. Look at hoe May launched her leadership bid, in a library being very serious about the headwinds facing the country. Eagle has a pink bus poster.SimonStClare said:
Tis all very er, pink! – Some party members not enamoured by Eagle decision to stand against Corbyn have described it as resembling more a tampax commercial than a campaign launch. Harsh but true…numbertwelve said:
It looks like a cheap perfume logo.oxfordsimon said:
Is she auditioning to be on X Factor or something? Perhaps wants a place on the panel of Loose Women?MaxPB said:Meanwhile on the other side of the house:
Angela by Angela Eagle.0 -
''Yes, it's odd how the LDs are basically a party full of old, white, straight men. Even the Tories are a more diverse bunch these days.''
Yes but they are feeling VERY guilty about all of the above, so its OK.0 -
Toilet cleaner more likeTCPoliticalBetting said:
Mrs May needs to remove Osborne as a rival as her first act. He has the advantage of age. An EU commissioner or Ambassadorship would be a good idea.EdgwareJoel said:
As long as we do not get Osborne as Foreign Secretary. Personally dislikeable and prone to childish games. Completely unsuited for the role.pbr2013 said:
Nah, it'll be Hammond. Dull accountant type exactly what is needed there imho.Philip_Thompson said:Should we consider possibly Andrea Leadsom as next Chancellor for the betting markets? She's come out of this with some credit and the one thing everyone seems to agree is she is very financially literate and aware which could be useful for a Chancellor in these times.
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Bellatrix Lestrange attended by four minions.TheScreamingEagles said:
Awesome.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Eagles may like this:
https://twitter.com/PeteMC666/status/7525097291932057600 -
Dear God Stewart Jackson gatecrashes the troops of May supporters.0
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Whilst I agree, there is a political necessity for Theresa May to be magnanimous in victory and to acknowledge that Angela Leadsom got a fair bit of support both from MPs and in the party. It's a tricky problem, made worse by the fact that the other leading Brexiteers are not without their drawbacks.Cyclefree said:I was being kind!
She simply is not up to being in Cabinet in my view. IMO. May needs to be ruthless. We need the best people available to deal with some very tricky issues. We don't need Cabinet jobs handed out as consolation prizes to those who have been tested and found wanting. There are others on the Brexit side who can be promoted in Cabinet who have behaved more competently and with more integrity than Leadsom has (other than when she finally pulled out of the race).0 -
Wonder if Penny Mordaunt now regrets defending Leadsom after the times article?
She could have had a great career...0 -
You have not said how much the new Lab is going to get.shiney2 said:
15%Wulfrun_Phil said:
You have to see it from the perspective of the likes of the SWP, the Socialist Party, Left Unity, the CPGB, the Peoples Assemblies and all the other myriad of utterly unelectable far left groups that Corbyn would have been perfectly at home in had he not chosen to stick in the Labour Party. Securing a revolution within the Labour Party to transform it irreversably into their image but with a residual 15% of support at the ballot box after a split will still count as a triumph for them.SouthamObserver said:
My view is that if Corbyn does win again, Labour is bound to split, if only because a number of current Labour MPs are going to be deselected and will no longer sit on the labour benches. Others will join them. Corbyn and his allies will welcome that split. They want to take Labour onto the streets. Parliament is bourgeois. Socialism will only be delivered when the proletariat rise up. A few more years of Tory rule should hasten that. I'd laugh at the stupidity if it were not so sad.
Electoral Calculus http://tinyurl.com/zkv7yy5 with:
C 40%, Lab 15%, Lib15%, UKIP 20%, G 3%
gives 131 Lab MPs and they are still, easily, the official opposition.
Comrade jez is still LoTO.
He just needs to hang in there. After the asteroid, he is PM.0 -
Also good to have someone a bit older as PM, for a change.
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I read a piece that said her value was "speaking Guardian". Rather like Ken Clarke.MP_SE said:
Morgan needs consigning to the backbenches asap.Cyclefree said:
Morgan is useless.AndyJS said:
Also Nicky Morgan could be Home Secretary with Theresa Villiers as Foreign Secretary making it 4 out of 4 for women in the top jobs.Philip_Thompson said:Should we consider possibly Andrea Leadsom as next Chancellor for the betting markets? She's come out of this with some credit and the one thing everyone seems to agree is she is very financially literate and aware which could be useful for a Chancellor in these times.
Not her. Please.
Let's stop worrying about gender and concentrate on competence.
Given May's speech - I expect her to get something just to cover that base. I find her very ordinary and more than off-putting when on the TV.0 -
The_Apocalypse said:
There were a fair number of gay, female and a Sikh LD MP, until the electorate chucked them out.JosiasJessop said:The_Apocalypse said:@JosiasJessop May actually wore that 'this is what a feminist looks like' t-shirt!
Yes, it's odd how the LDs are basically a party full of old, white, straight men. Even the Tories are a more diverse bunch these days.
The survivors cannot be blamed if the electoate likes straight white men!0 -
Thanks!The_Apocalypse said:
https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=theresa+may+this+is+what+a+feminist+looks+like&biw=1600&bih=775&tbm=isch&imgil=TLlNc_TU8VEFTM%3A%3BIPMBSOaePX_7WM%3Bhttps%253A%252F%252Fwww.theguardian.com%252Flifeandstyle%252F2015%252Fjun%252F22%252Fbridget-christie-feminists-sex-men-book-extract&source=iu&pf=m&fir=TLlNc_TU8VEFTM%3A%2CIPMBSOaePX_7WM%2C_&usg=__EWeAUdza_XMOsF3_h4excKqy690=&ved=0ahUKEwjt6vbX6evNAhWoJ8AKHf6iATAQyjcIJw&ei=jsiDV-3rE6jPgAb-xYaAAw#imgrc=TLlNc_TU8VEFTM:JosiasJessop said:
Did she! I'd love to see a piccie of that!The_Apocalypse said:@JosiasJessop May actually wore that 'this is what a feminist looks like' t-shirt!
Mind you, that now means that we've had five female Conservative PMs
The Lib Dems really need to play catchup. I cannot help but partially blame Rennard for the fact that none of the eight MPs are female.
Yes, it's odd how the LDs are basically a party full of old, white, straight men. Even the Tories are a more diverse bunch these days. 0 -
Male, Pale, Stale. Sadly, I couldn't think of a suitable homonym for 'irrelevant', so it'll have to do.taffys said:''Yes, it's odd how the LDs are basically a party full of old, white, straight men. Even the Tories are a more diverse bunch these days.''
Yes but they are feeling VERY guilty about all of the above, so its OK.0 -
Ha, Liam Fox gets blocked out by arrival of May's key people0
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LDs have much more entertaining sex/spouse scandals though.taffys said:''Yes, it's odd how the LDs are basically a party full of old, white, straight men. Even the Tories are a more diverse bunch these days.''
Yes but they are feeling VERY guilty about all of the above, so its OK.0 -
The SDP imploded at GEs. The SDP2 will also, and for the same main reason, they are not Labour..surbiton said:
You have not said how much the new Lab is going to get.shiney2 said:
15%Wulfrun_Phil said:
You have to see it from the perspective of the likes of the SWP, the Socialist Party, Left Unity, the CPGB, the Peoples Assemblies and all the other myriad of utterly unelectable far left groups that Corbyn would have been perfectly at home in had he not chosen to stick in the Labour Party. Securing a revolution within the Labour Party to transform it irreversably into their image but with a residual 15% of support at the ballot box after a split will still count as a triumph for them.SouthamObserver said:
My view is that if Corbyn does win again, Labour is bound to split, if only because a number of current Labour MPs are going to be deselected and will no longer sit on the labour benches. Others will join them. Corbyn and his allies will welcome that split. They want to take Labour onto the streets. Parliament is bourgeois. Socialism will only be delivered when the proletariat rise up. A few more years of Tory rule should hasten that. I'd laugh at the stupidity if it were not so sad.
Electoral Calculus http://tinyurl.com/zkv7yy5 with:
C 40%, Lab 15%, Lib15%, UKIP 20%, G 3%
gives 131 Lab MPs and they are still, easily, the official opposition.
Comrade jez is still LoTO.
He just needs to hang in there. After the asteroid, he is PM.0 -
as ever the gauche quoteScott_P said:Wonder if Penny Mordaunt now regrets defending Leadsom after the times article?
She could have had a great career...
you could have let the one big happy family roll for just one evening instead we have the bitter dissonance of the remainer.0 -
foxinsoxuk said:
Rennard et al shows the atmosphere for competent women in the Lib Dems was poisonous. Many good candidates would have been out off dealing with that old toad.The_Apocalypse said:
There were a fair number of gay, female and a Sikh LD MP, until the electorate chucked them out.JosiasJessop said:The_Apocalypse said:@JosiasJessop May actually wore that 'this is what a feminist looks like' t-shirt!
Yes, it's odd how the LDs are basically a party full of old, white, straight men. Even the Tories are a more diverse bunch these days.
The survivors cannot be blamed if the electoate likes straight white men!
Worse, the support for him within the Lib Dems would have put others off.0 -
Soon I will be able to say I was taught by someone who taught the PM.0
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There's no need for Huw Edwards to say "All eyes on St Stephen's Entrance" so suggestively.0
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Rudd, Damien Green, Grayling, Green. The key people lined up behind May.
Cabinet clues?0 -
I'm sad about Andrea Leadsom. However, it is what it is and I trust it will be for the best. It will be interesting to see whether May will show some quality in terms of cabinet selection.0
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Hunky Dinky Dunky gets a kiss from May .... bless.
Miniature of State for Rutland ??0 -
You haven't really thought through this Brexit business, have you?TCPoliticalBetting said:
Mrs May needs to remove Osborne as a rival as her first act. He has the advantage of age. An EU commissioner or Ambassadorship would be a good idea.EdgwareJoel said:
As long as we do not get Osborne as Foreign Secretary. Personally dislikeable and prone to childish games. Completely unsuited for the role.pbr2013 said:
Nah, it'll be Hammond. Dull accountant type exactly what is needed there imho.Philip_Thompson said:Should we consider possibly Andrea Leadsom as next Chancellor for the betting markets? She's come out of this with some credit and the one thing everyone seems to agree is she is very financially literate and aware which could be useful for a Chancellor in these times.
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I am so happy I am "dancing in my underwear"Alanbrooke said:you could have let the one big happy family roll for just one evening
But it was instructive watching the MPs filing out to acclaim Theresa May. or not.0 -
You have to give them credit for taking about the same amount of time to elect a leader as Labour took to decide whether have a contest or not.Fenster said:Well done to the Tory party for ruthlessly squishing a 12-week scrap into a two-week one (Labour - take note!)
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