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And what about a GE? No mandate for TM now!0
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Theresa May, the Conservative party's Gordon Brown. Gets a reputation for being competent by staying in a top job for a long time despite mediocre performance, gets to be PM without a real fight.0
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Spin on this, Richard Dawkins! Of course there's a God....and He is merciful!
Marquee Mark 7:51AM
I'm hoping that God might yet have a quiet word with Mother Superior - and gets her to stand down.
If He is a merciful God, it would spare us all two months more of this.
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FPT:
Yes.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. 86, literally?
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Are the 22 going to ask Eagle to step into the contest?0
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It appears May is the Portugal of Westminster politics (apols if this has already been observed).0
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Looks like being humiliated by Andy Murray at the tennis will be Dave's swansong now on the international stage.
A bit unfitting, but hey ho...0 -
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Leadsom has gone up in my estimations. Gracious and in the overwhelming interests of the Party and the country.
Well done.
And congratulations to our new PM, Theresa May. I wish her well. I think she will do well.
Labour - this is how you sort out leadership issues. The Tories are (the IDS saga aside) rather good at this.0 -
Reopen nominations!!!
Go Boris!!!0 -
In two of the last three Tory leadership contests the membership hasn't been granted a vote.0
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The only reason May might not call an early GE is Scotland. The SNP would presumably win just about every seat on a mandate of a new independence referendum. That is possibly not something that she would want to deal with while negotiating Brexit. However, apart from that she would be mad not to do it. The Tories will get their biggest majority since WW2 and Labour will be torn asunder, in no position to oppose with a leader - adored by the membership - who has just led the party to its most catastrophic defeat ever and is despised by the party's remaining rump of MPs.0
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Britain's Prague spring.
UKIP will be doing handsprings.0 -
Second Tory women PM.
Labour have AWS, Tories just go for it.0 -
Right decision. She had just enough wisdom to realize she was dangerously out of her depth and no good could have come from carrying on.0
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The Con leadership contest has been brutally efficient at weeding out those least suitable for the job in such a short period of time.
Labour on the other hand..0 -
Is Boris seriously suggesting RON ?0
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FPT
I had no noticed any attack from IDS on Mrs May (please link to that if available), but IDS is not expected to feature in the new Govt. IDS's attacks were on Osborne and Cameron at the time of his resignation. Soubry has a long list of fellow MPs that she has attacked as has Boles.matt said:
It's odd isn't that you avoid mentioning Duncan-Smith et al in relation to your penultimate sentence. It's almost as if you're not being entirely impartial.TCPoliticalBetting said:This does not look like a cake walk premiership for Mrs May. She will start out with 100+ of her MPs not wanting her there and another group within her supporters, watching her carefully for what she does on Brexit and this "drift to the centre". Added to that are the rabid spreaders of poison, which Boles and Soubry rank amongst the worst (rank being the smell involved). If those folk feature in the new Govt, Mrs May will hardly be encouraging unity.
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Guardian:
What was significant about Leadsom’s statement was not just that she said she was withdrawing, but that she said that as a candidate with so little support amongst Tory MP she would not have been able to run a strong government.
As I write Iain Duncan Smith, a Leadsom supporter and former Tory leader, is saying he agrees. He says he wants to see May become PM as soon as possible.
After this is it hard to see how the 1922 committee could reopen the contest. Leadsom had the backing of 84 Tory MPs - 25% of the total. Michael Gove, who was in third place, got just 46 - or 14%.
For the ultra-Eurosceptic leave Tories, this has been a disaster. A majority of Tory members backed leave, three of the five original candidates were Brexiteer, but their champion has now backed out after just three days on the final shortlist.
Leadsom’s statement did not include anything about the pressure she has been under, which has reflected her relative inexperience. But it did not need to; it is clear that what she said about the importance of support amongst the parliamentary party, and about a nine-week campaign being too long (on Friday her team were saying nine weeks was just right) is at least in part just cover for the fact she did not want to go on.
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/blog/live/2016/jul/11/andrea-leadsom-apologises-to-theresa-may-politics-live?CMP=twt_a-politics_b-gdnukpolitics0 -
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Theresa May's speech & now ascent to PM are great news for Jeremy Corbyn. Shifts the entire UK political trajectory significantly leftwards."
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It's a no brainer isn't it? I agree Scotland is an issue, but Scotland is going to be an issue anyway whatever happens. Great chance to knock Labour out for the next 10 years at least.SouthamObserver said:The only reason May might not call an early GE is Scotland. The SNP would presumably win just about every seat on a mandate of a new independence referendum. That is possibly not something that she would want to deal with while negotiating Brexit. However, apart from that she would be mad not to do it. The Tories will get their biggest majority since WW2 and Labour will be torn asunder, in no position to oppose with a leader - adored by the membership - who has just led the party to its most catastrophic defeat ever and is despised by the party's remaining rump of MPs.
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That's one reason, but there is another. As has been pointed out, if she goes to a GE having not triggered Article 50 UKIP could do very well indeed. I'd expect Farage to cancel his resignation again.SouthamObserver said:The only reason May might not call an early GE is Scotland. The SNP would presumably win just about every seat on a mandate of a new independence referendum. That is possibly not something that she would want to deal with while negotiating Brexit. However, apart from that she would be mad not to do it. The Tories will get their biggest majority since WW2 and Labour will be torn asunder, in no position to oppose with a leader - adored by the membership - who has just led the party to its most catastrophic defeat ever and is despised by the party's remaining rump of MPs.
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Leadsom and Eagle are dressed up as each other for their respective statements. What is that all about?0
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If Theresa May proves to be shite at being PM, we have plenty of time to shove her out the door of 10 Downing Street and find someone better. Hopefully, one that the membership get to vote on when the atmosphere at large is rather less febrile.Essexit said:Theresa May, the Conservative party's Gordon Brown. Gets a reputation for being competent by staying in a top job for a long time despite mediocre performance, gets to be PM without a real fight.
But that said, I think she might be really rather good. We should get some steer from her choice of Cabinet. I hope she starts with a clean sheet of paper.0 -
Shadsy has paid out on Leadsom quitting before July 31st.0
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Let forth the headbangers ....poor old IDS
I'm so going to enjoy the tweets of Mensch, Richards et al..
Righteous fury to follow.0 -
Queen is in Scotland, May in Birmingham.0
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"Leadsom has gone up in my estimations."
Well I suppose, she couldn't go any lower! What on earth was she thinking of standing. Surely the support of IDS should have told her she had no chance.0 -
It's this season's Loser Look...Ishmael_X said:Leadsom and Eagle are dressed up as each other for their respective statements. What is that all about?
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Could May be in place today?0
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What was that?Bob__Sykes said:Looks like being humiliated by Andy Murray at the tennis will be Dave's swansong now on the international stage.
A bit unfitting, but hey ho...
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Rejoice, rejoice, rejoice.0
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''If Theresa May proves to be shite at being PM, we have plenty of time to shove her out the door of 10 Downing Street and find someone better.''
Tories couldn;t have arranged this better....for UKIP.
What an opportunity.0 -
I suspect May is probably thinking more about what is in the interests of the nation at the moment, as anyone about to assume the highest office in the land should be, not about how to completely screw over the Labour Party...DanSmith said:
It's a no brainer isn't it? I agree Scotland is an issue, but Scotland is going to be an issue anyway whatever happens. Great chance to knock Labour out for the next 10 years at least.SouthamObserver said:The only reason May might not call an early GE is Scotland. The SNP would presumably win just about every seat on a mandate of a new independence referendum. That is possibly not something that she would want to deal with while negotiating Brexit. However, apart from that she would be mad not to do it. The Tories will get their biggest majority since WW2 and Labour will be torn asunder, in no position to oppose with a leader - adored by the membership - who has just led the party to its most catastrophic defeat ever and is despised by the party's remaining rump of MPs.
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Seems Corbyn was correct that the best path to become PM was to be nominally in favour of remain but not to lift a finger.0
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Oh gods, why Leadsom?! A contest was a good thing for the party to have, and the country too as it happens - while the delay on a new PM was vexing, it was only a few months and would enable a debate to play out in the Tories about what Brexit type to go for. Were you not ready, like Umunna? Then why stand in the first place?0
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Mark Wallace @wallaceme
Leadsom's departure still leaves quite a lot of Tory MPs with concerns about ensuring Brexit really happens. They'll be watching May closely0 -
I agree. Being elected unopposed made Brown even worse than he would otherwise have been.SandyRentool said:Reopen nominations!!!
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I suspect May is probably thinking more about what is in the interests of the nation
The only interests Theresa May ever thinks about are those of one T. May.0 -
He is priceless... long may he be involved with the Labour party.AndyJS said:"@LabourEoin
Theresa May's speech & now ascent to PM are great news for Jeremy Corbyn. Shifts the entire UK political trajectory significantly leftwards."
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Wonder if she could get the snap GE through the house with the 2/3rds majority - Tories unanimous, SNP probably in favour, Labour not - not sure about Lib Dems or various NI parties, or PC.Bob__Sykes said:
I suspect May is probably thinking more about what is in the interests of the nation at the moment, as anyone about to assume the highest office in the land should be, not about how to completely screw over the Labour Party...DanSmith said:
It's a no brainer isn't it? I agree Scotland is an issue, but Scotland is going to be an issue anyway whatever happens. Great chance to knock Labour out for the next 10 years at least.SouthamObserver said:The only reason May might not call an early GE is Scotland. The SNP would presumably win just about every seat on a mandate of a new independence referendum. That is possibly not something that she would want to deal with while negotiating Brexit. However, apart from that she would be mad not to do it. The Tories will get their biggest majority since WW2 and Labour will be torn asunder, in no position to oppose with a leader - adored by the membership - who has just led the party to its most catastrophic defeat ever and is despised by the party's remaining rump of MPs.
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I do not think UKIP will benefit at all from this as regards the Tories - possibly from Labour but my feeling is the party will gradually fade away now.0
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Leadsom statement 12.15, 1922 Chair 12.30, May campaign chief 12.45, Tory MPs all pulling together and pledging support to Theresa - all feels rather well co-ordinated this.
Good on the Tories if so.0 -
Given how useless these Tory MPs have been at even organising a leadership bid, they should sit down and let the grown ups get on with running things rather than delude themselves into thinking that they could do better.TCPoliticalBetting said:Mark Wallace @wallaceme
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Brady says May's victory is final.0
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The SNP have 56 of the 59 seats, there are none left for them to win so any mandate really wouldn't carry any more weight than it did before...SouthamObserver said:The only reason May might not call an early GE is Scotland. The SNP would presumably win just about every seat on a mandate of a new independence referendum. That is possibly not something that she would want to deal with while negotiating Brexit. However, apart from that she would be mad not to do it. The Tories will get their biggest majority since WW2 and Labour will be torn asunder, in no position to oppose with a leader - adored by the membership - who has just led the party to its most catastrophic defeat ever and is despised by the party's remaining rump of MPs.
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"Great chance to knock Labour out for the next 10 years at least."
Perhaps, but what about the Queensbury Rules? No hitting when your opponent's on the floor. And someone will replace them - either Ukip (if Art 50 hasn't been invoked) or a new electable Labour Party?0 -
Mike Smithson @MSmithsonPBAndyJS said:"@LabourEoin
Theresa May's speech & now ascent to PM are great news for Jeremy Corbyn. Shifts the entire UK political trajectory significantly leftwards."
twitter.com/LabourEoin/status/752463990958202880
Leadson got a much greater percentage of CON MPs backing her than Corbyn has ever had from LAB MPs.0 -
Brady confirms: no reopening of the contest. May will be PM very soon0
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Irritating for May as well - we know some people are paranoid Brexit will not happen, or not happen in the right way (the former highly implausible, the latter a matter of opinion) and now not having been beaten in a contest they'll just continue to snipe away at any hint of nuance or caution.kle4 said:Oh gods, why Leadsom?! A contest was a good thing for the party to have, and the country too as it happens - while the delay on a new PM was vexing, it was only a few months and would enable a debate to play out in the Tories about what Brexit type to go for. Were you not ready, like Umunna? Then why stand in the first place?
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''I do not think UKIP will benefit at all from this as regards the Tories - possibly from Labour but my feeling is the party will gradually fade away now. ''
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Brady confirms May "IS" the Tory Leader.
Er, no - now BBC backtrack: "he needs to consult as to whether she is"!
WTF?
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It is disappointing.kle4 said:Oh gods, why Leadsom?! A contest was a good thing for the party to have, and the country too as it happens - while the delay on a new PM was vexing, it was only a few months and would enable a debate to play out in the Tories about what Brexit type to go for. Were you not ready, like Umunna? Then why stand in the first place?
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Tories do political manoeuvre properly, compared to the shower in LabourBob__Sykes said:Leadsom statement 12.15, 1922 Chair 12.30, May campaign chief 12.45, Tory MPs all pulling together and pledging support to Theresa - all feels rather well co-ordinated this.
Good on the Tories if so.0 -
I'm so glad I subscribe to The Times, they made Leadsom's departure happen.
That subscription is worth every penny, I'm never cancelling my subscription.0 -
Why would the SNP be in favour, they have nothing to gain.Pulpstar said:
Wonder if she could get the snap GE through the house with the 2/3rds majority - Tories unanimous, SNP probably in favour, Labour not - not sure about Lib Dems or various NI parties, or PC.Bob__Sykes said:
I suspect May is probably thinking more about what is in the interests of the nation at the moment, as anyone about to assume the highest office in the land should be, not about how to completely screw over the Labour Party...DanSmith said:
It's a no brainer isn't it? I agree Scotland is an issue, but Scotland is going to be an issue anyway whatever happens. Great chance to knock Labour out for the next 10 years at least.SouthamObserver said:The only reason May might not call an early GE is Scotland. The SNP would presumably win just about every seat on a mandate of a new independence referendum. That is possibly not something that she would want to deal with while negotiating Brexit. However, apart from that she would be mad not to do it. The Tories will get their biggest majority since WW2 and Labour will be torn asunder, in no position to oppose with a leader - adored by the membership - who has just led the party to its most catastrophic defeat ever and is despised by the party's remaining rump of MPs.
They may want to see how a May government deals with the fallout of Brexit.0 -
PoliticsHome
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NEW: 1922 C'ttee chair Graham Brady asked if any chance or reopening leadership contest: "None whatsoever." http://polho.me/29CD0U50 -
Not much of a bounce from the FTSE.0
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Will Leadsom get a top Cabinet position?0
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And not having been beaten in a contest where, presumably, May would argue as she has done to delay article 50, they will be able to continually pressure her to do it and do it now. Why wait?kle4 said:
Irritating for May as well - we know some people are paranoid Brexit will not happen, or not happen in the right way (the former highly implausible, the latter a matter of opinion) and now not having been beaten in a contest they'll just continue to snipe away at any hint of nuance or caution.kle4 said:Oh gods, why Leadsom?! A contest was a good thing for the party to have, and the country too as it happens - while the delay on a new PM was vexing, it was only a few months and would enable a debate to play out in the Tories about what Brexit type to go for. Were you not ready, like Umunna? Then why stand in the first place?
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I was very pleased to see Mr Brown achieve his ambition after so many years, and was grieved for him that it turned out to be the worst possible thing for him.Essexit said:Theresa May, the Conservative party's Gordon Brown. Gets a reputation for being competent by staying in a top job for a long time despite mediocre performance, gets to be PM without a real fight.
I don't think there is any parallel between that unopposed takeover and this open competition, even though Conservative members would have preferred to have had their say in the matter.
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IDS?numbertwelve said:
Tories do political manoeuvre properly, compared to the shower in LabourBob__Sykes said:Leadsom statement 12.15, 1922 Chair 12.30, May campaign chief 12.45, Tory MPs all pulling together and pledging support to Theresa - all feels rather well co-ordinated this.
Good on the Tories if so.0 -
You missed one. Theresa's speech this morning which was a pitch to voters, not members.numbertwelve said:
Tories do political manoeuvre properly, compared to the shower in LabourBob__Sykes said:Leadsom statement 12.15, 1922 Chair 12.30, May campaign chief 12.45, Tory MPs all pulling together and pledging support to Theresa - all feels rather well co-ordinated this.
Good on the Tories if so.0 -
No, but she'll put one in her CV anyway.AndyJS said:Will Leadsom get a top Cabinet position?
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I hope Michael Gove is sitting down, having a long hard look at how things panned out. And saying to himself "oooooops." Fox was always dead meat. Crabbe was along for the ride. Leadsom was never top two run-off material. Gove made the unilateral decision that Boris wasn't up to the job. But that should have been for the members to decide, after a 9 week campaign. Boris was a far stronger Brexit candidate than Leadsom, whatever his faults. Now we have a coronation of a Remainer (albeit, perhaps not a very committed one).
Way to go, Gove. Way to fucking go....0 -
He didn't want to preempt the QueenBob__Sykes said:Brady confirms May "IS" the Tory Leader.
Er, no - now BBC backtrack: "he needs to consult as to whether she is"!
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So am I - have read The Times since the age of 16.TheScreamingEagles said:I'm so glad I subscribe to The Times, they made Leadsom's departure happen.
That subscription is worth every penny, I'm never cancelling my subscription.
It was a bit gutter press, but Rachel Sylvester deserves an OBE for her services to the country...0 -
MarqueeMark said:
Spin on this, Richard Dawkins! Of course there's a God....and He is merciful!
Marquee Mark 7:51AM
I'm hoping that God might yet have a quiet word with Mother Superior - and gets her to stand down.
If He is a merciful God, it would spare us all two months more of this.
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Oh really? Is that an area that Labour MPs can give lessons in?JonathanD said:
Given how useless these Tory MPs have been at even organising a leadership bid, they should sit down and let the grown ups get on with running things rather than delude themselves into thinking that they could do better.TCPoliticalBetting said:Mark Wallace @wallaceme
Leadsom's departure still leaves quite a lot of Tory MPs with concerns about ensuring Brexit really happens. They'll be watching May closely
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Yes, they have once again proved the power of the press. Rachel Sylvester gave Leadsom just enough rope and well look at the results. Well worth the couple of quid per week.TheScreamingEagles said:I'm so glad I subscribe to The Times, they made Leadsom's departure happen.
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The Tories are going to have leads of 10%+ in the next batch of opinion polls.0
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Yes it would be a cause for celebrations and laughing out loud.taffys said:''I do not think UKIP will benefit at all from this as regards the Tories - possibly from Labour but my feeling is the party will gradually fade away now. ''
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''Indeed. Disaster awaits the Tories I think. ''
The country wants change.
The tories gave them fudger May.
They will not be forgiven.0 -
Yes, Gove screwed up immensely.MarqueeMark said:I hope Michael Gove is sitting down, having a long hard look at how things panned out. And saying to himself "oooooops." Fox was always dead meat. Crabbe was along for the ride. Leadsom was never top two run-off material. Gove made the unilateral decision that Boris wasn't up to the job. But that should have been for the members to decide, after a 9 week campaign. Boris was a far stronger Brexit candidate than Leadsom, whatever his faults. Now we have a coronation of a Remainer (albeit, perhaps not a very committed one).
Way to go, Gove. Way to fucking go....0 -
Yes there should be a honeymoon period. People will be thankful for a bit of peace and quiet.DanSmith said:The Tories are going to have leads of 10%+ in the next batch of opinion polls.
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Well saidBob__Sykes said:
I suspect May is probably thinking more about what is in the interests of the nation at the moment, as anyone about to assume the highest office in the land should be, not about how to completely screw over the Labour Party...DanSmith said:
It's a no brainer isn't it? I agree Scotland is an issue, but Scotland is going to be an issue anyway whatever happens. Great chance to knock Labour out for the next 10 years at least.SouthamObserver said:The only reason May might not call an early GE is Scotland. The SNP would presumably win just about every seat on a mandate of a new independence referendum. That is possibly not something that she would want to deal with while negotiating Brexit. However, apart from that she would be mad not to do it. The Tories will get their biggest majority since WW2 and Labour will be torn asunder, in no position to oppose with a leader - adored by the membership - who has just led the party to its most catastrophic defeat ever and is despised by the party's remaining rump of MPs.
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Because they have a chance to get rid of a Tory government.logical_song said:
Why would the SNP be in favour, they have nothing to gain.Pulpstar said:
Wonder if she could get the snap GE through the house with the 2/3rds majority - Tories unanimous, SNP probably in favour, Labour not - not sure about Lib Dems or various NI parties, or PC.Bob__Sykes said:
I suspect May is probably thinking more about what is in the interests of the nation at the moment, as anyone about to assume the highest office in the land should be, not about how to completely screw over the Labour Party...DanSmith said:
It's a no brainer isn't it? I agree Scotland is an issue, but Scotland is going to be an issue anyway whatever happens. Great chance to knock Labour out for the next 10 years at least.SouthamObserver said:The only reason May might not call an early GE is Scotland. The SNP would presumably win just about every seat on a mandate of a new independence referendum. That is possibly not something that she would want to deal with while negotiating Brexit. However, apart from that she would be mad not to do it. The Tories will get their biggest majority since WW2 and Labour will be torn asunder, in no position to oppose with a leader - adored by the membership - who has just led the party to its most catastrophic defeat ever and is despised by the party's remaining rump of MPs.
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She can answer that by being elected on a manifesto containing whatever Brexit settlement she comes up with. The question is whether she can resolve that convincingly and quickly enough to take advantage of the relief that her leadership election will have in the post-referendum chaos.kle4 said:
Irritating for May as well - we know some people are paranoid Brexit will not happen, or not happen in the right way (the former highly implausible, the latter a matter of opinion) and now not having been beaten in a contest they'll just continue to snipe away at any hint of nuance or caution.kle4 said:Oh gods, why Leadsom?! A contest was a good thing for the party to have, and the country too as it happens - while the delay on a new PM was vexing, it was only a few months and would enable a debate to play out in the Tories about what Brexit type to go for. Were you not ready, like Umunna? Then why stand in the first place?
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Mrs May will be coronated crowned because of Gove's vanity and Mrs Gove's ambition.MarqueeMark said:I hope Michael Gove is sitting down, having a long hard look at how things panned out. And saying to himself "oooooops." Fox was always dead meat. Crabbe was along for the ride. Leadsom was never top two run-off material. Gove made the unilateral decision that Boris wasn't up to the job. But that should have been for the members to decide, after a 9 week campaign. Boris was a far stronger Brexit candidate than Leadsom, whatever his faults. Now we have a coronation of a Remainer (albeit, perhaps not a very committed one).
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Quite.MarqueeMark said:I hope Michael Gove is sitting down, having a long hard look at how things panned out. And saying to himself "oooooops." Fox was always dead meat. Crabbe was along for the ride. Leadsom was never top two run-off material. Gove made the unilateral decision that Boris wasn't up to the job. But that should have been for the members to decide, after a 9 week campaign. Boris was a far stronger Brexit candidate than Leadsom, whatever his faults. Now we have a coronation of a Remainer (albeit, perhaps not a very committed one).
Way to go, Gove. Way to fucking go....0 -
We'll see what she does but if Theresa thinks she can get away with not implementing Brexit the 17m who voted LEAVE will have no other choice than to take the UKIP route in 2020.taffys said:''Indeed. Disaster awaits the Tories I think. ''
The country wants change.
The tories gave them fudger May.
They will not be forgiven.0 -
I hope Gove and Johnson are excluded from the new government.Sean_F said:
Yes, Gove screwed up immensely.MarqueeMark said:I hope Michael Gove is sitting down, having a long hard look at how things panned out. And saying to himself "oooooops." Fox was always dead meat. Crabbe was along for the ride. Leadsom was never top two run-off material. Gove made the unilateral decision that Boris wasn't up to the job. But that should have been for the members to decide, after a 9 week campaign. Boris was a far stronger Brexit candidate than Leadsom, whatever his faults. Now we have a coronation of a Remainer (albeit, perhaps not a very committed one).
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Which parties have the money to fight a general election right now? Tories, obviously - they always have enough to overspend. The rest, no idea, but probably not.Pulpstar said:Wonder if she could get the snap GE through the house with the 2/3rds majority - Tories unanimous, SNP probably in favour, Labour not - not sure about Lib Dems or various NI parties, or PC.
So why would they help the Tories set aside the FTPA, just to let the Tories have a larger majority?0 -
It all depends whether May gives the country change.taffys said:''Indeed. Disaster awaits the Tories I think. ''
The country wants change.
The tories gave them fudger May.
They will not be forgiven.
If we get Brexit that is indistinguishable from EU membership, and continued mass migration, then I think she will be seen as the Conservatives' Gordon Brown. If she plots a more radical path, then she may be another Thatcher.0 -
Why would they care about that? Their hope is to get rid of the uk, that doesn't require getting rid of a tory government.nunu said:
Because they have a chance to get rid of a Tory government.logical_song said:
Why would the SNP be in favour, they have nothing to gain.Pulpstar said:
Wonder if she could get the snap GE through the house with the 2/3rds majority - Tories unanimous, SNP probably in favour, Labour not - not sure about Lib Dems or various NI parties, or PC.Bob__Sykes said:
I suspect May is probably thinking more about what is in the interests of the nation at the moment, as anyone about to assume the highest office in the land should be, not about how to completely screw over the Labour Party...DanSmith said:
It's a no brainer isn't it? I agree Scotland is an issue, but Scotland is going to be an issue anyway whatever happens. Great chance to knock Labour out for the next 10 years at least.SouthamObserver said:The only reason May might not call an early GE is Scotland. The SNP would presumably win just about every seat on a mandate of a new independence referendum. That is possibly not something that she would want to deal with while negotiating Brexit. However, apart from that she would be mad not to do it. The Tories will get their biggest majority since WW2 and Labour will be torn asunder, in no position to oppose with a leader - adored by the membership - who has just led the party to its most catastrophic defeat ever and is despised by the party's remaining rump of MPs.
They may want to see how a May government deals with the fallout of Brexit.0 -
We've been waiting for weeks for someone to step up and challenge Jeremy Corbyn, and when they finally do, it's a complete sideshow. Brilliant stuff, this!0
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Entirely predictable that there will be nobody around from Leave to be held accountable for their campaign and its consequences.
This is the real downside with a referendum, Boris, Farage, Gove, now Leadsom have all washed their hands of implementing Brexit. It's a bloody disgrace that people who never wanted us to leave the EU are now left having to make the best of it as all the Leavers walk away. It really makes me angry but, as I said, entirely predictable from Leave.
I suspect they will now go back to carping on the sidelines again and blame any problems on the poor sods landed with implementing it. Not on ounce of political guts or integrity between the lot of them..0 -
"Nevertheless, this is less than 25% of the parliamentary party and after careful consideration I do not believe this is sufficient support to lead a strong and stable government should I win the leadership election."TCPoliticalBetting said:
Mike Smithson @MSmithsonPBAndyJS said:"@LabourEoin
Theresa May's speech & now ascent to PM are great news for Jeremy Corbyn. Shifts the entire UK political trajectory significantly leftwards."
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Leadson got a much greater percentage of CON MPs backing her than Corbyn has ever had from LAB MPs.
If only Corbyn had said that.0 -
Christ. What a mess. There was an excellent Matt a few days ago with 2 students saying they were studying politics and in particular the period from Thursday morning to Friday lunchtime.
My list of reasons to support Theresa has not got any longer. I am suspicious of her authoritarian tendencies, her belief in government action, her failure of delivery at the Home Office and her narrow outlook on life. Having had the government that was probably closest to my own political views in my adult life under Cameron and Osborne I feel at most a semi detached supporter of this new government.
I hope for the best but fear the worst in a situation where we have no effective opposition. The sheer self indulgence of those people who nominated and voted for Corbyn makes me sick.0 -
'' If she plots a more radical path, then she may be another Thatcher. ''
Looking at her track record, I am not optimistic.
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I'm not convinced.nunu said:
Because they have a chance to get rid of a Tory government.logical_song said:
Why would the SNP be in favour, they have nothing to gain.Pulpstar said:
Wonder if she could get the snap GE through the house with the 2/3rds majority - Tories unanimous, SNP probably in favour, Labour not - not sure about Lib Dems or various NI parties, or PC.Bob__Sykes said:
I suspect May is probably thinking more about what is in the interests of the nation at the moment, as anyone about to assume the highest office in the land should be, not about how to completely screw over the Labour Party...DanSmith said:
It's a no brainer isn't it? I agree Scotland is an issue, but Scotland is going to be an issue anyway whatever happens. Great chance to knock Labour out for the next 10 years at least.SouthamObserver said:The only reason May might not call an early GE is Scotland. The SNP would presumably win just about every seat on a mandate of a new independence referendum. That is possibly not something that she would want to deal with while negotiating Brexit. However, apart from that she would be mad not to do it. The Tories will get their biggest majority since WW2 and Labour will be torn asunder, in no position to oppose with a leader - adored by the membership - who has just led the party to its most catastrophic defeat ever and is despised by the party's remaining rump of MPs.
They may want to see how a May government deals with the fallout of Brexit.
The SNP are smart operators. They will see that Theresa wants to capitalise on her honeymoon period and Labour's woes. The SNP currently have 56 of the 59 MPs in Scotland, they have little to gain and a lot to lose.0 -
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Which Is why she would never risk that even if she wanted to. With no contest it may be even harder to get a sort of Brexit lite option, as her feet will be held to the fire and she has no proven member backer.GIN1138 said:
We'll see what she does but if Theresa thinks she can get away with not implementing Brexit the 17m who voted LEAVE will have no other choice than to take the UKIP route in 2020.taffys said:''Indeed. Disaster awaits the Tories I think. ''
The country wants change.
The tories gave them fudger May.
They will not be forgiven.0 -
You voted Leave. What did you think would happen to Cameron and Osborne and the more rational form of politics?DavidL said:Christ. What a mess. There was an excellent Matt a few days ago with 2 students saying they were studying politics and in particular the period from Thursday morning to Friday lunchtime.
My list of reasons to support Theresa has not got any longer. I am suspicious of her authoritarian tendencies, her belief in government action, her failure of delivery at the Home Office and her narrow outlook on life. Having had the government that was probably closest to my own political views in my adult life under Cameron and Osborne I feel at most a semi detached supporter of this new government.
I hope for the best but fear the worst in a situation where we have no effective opposition. The sheer self indulgence of those people who nominated and voted for Corbyn makes me sick.0 -
Somewhat scarily, the most senior Leaver left standing is Chris Grayling... (May's campaign manager - and clearly likely to get a promotion)OllyT said:Entirely predictable that there will be nobody around from Leave to be held accountable for their campaign and its consequences.
This is the real downside with a referendum, Boris, Farage, Gove, now Leadsom have all washed their hands of implementing Brexit. It's a bloody disgrace that people who never wanted us to leave the EU are now left having to make the best of it as all the Leavers walk away. It really makes me angry but, as I said, entirely predictable from Leave.
I suspect they will now go back to carping on the sidelines again and blame any problems on the poor sods landed with implementing it. Not on ounce of political guts or integrity between the lot of them..0 -
You seem to be overlooking Cameron and Osborne, who set the whole nonsense up in the first place with no regard for the consequences, and are now calmly walking away from the disaster, just like the rest of the top Tories.OllyT said:Entirely predictable that there will be nobody around from Leave to be held accountable for their campaign and its consequences.
This is the real downside with a referendum, Boris, Farage, Gove, now Leadsom have all washed their hands of implementing Brexit. It's a bloody disgrace that people who never wanted us to leave the EU are now left having to make the best of it as all the Leavers walk away. It really makes me angry but, as I said, entirely predictable from Leave.
I suspect they will now go back to carping on the sidelines again and blame any problems on the poor sods landed with implementing it. Not on ounce of political guts or integrity between the lot of them..0
