Several Leadsom backers have spoken saying that May had the overwhelming support of MP's. Looks very much like behind the scenes people have put pressure on Leadsom to drop out.
I suspect that May will be a reasonably good PM actually. I also suspect that all she needs to do to achieve a proper unity within the party is to deliver on Brexit on almost any terms. If she takes us out without breaking anything too badly she'll go down in history with a positive write-up. If she weasels out then the history books are going to be very unkind.
Patrick's advice to our new PM: 1. Get us out and don't ruin our economy or international friendships in the process. 2. Trigger A50 soonish (within 6 months). 3. Repeal the FTPA and go for a GE soon. 4. TRADE BABY TRADE!
Entirely predictable that there will be nobody around from Leave to be held accountable for their campaign and its consequences.
This is the real downside with a referendum, Boris, Farage, Gove, now Leadsom have all washed their hands of implementing Brexit. It's a bloody disgrace that people who never wanted us to leave the EU are now left having to make the best of it as all the Leavers walk away. It really makes me angry but, as I said, entirely predictable from Leave.
I suspect they will now go back to carping on the sidelines again and blame any problems on the poor sods landed with implementing it. Not on ounce of political guts or integrity between the lot of them..
Somewhat scarily, the most senior Leaver left standing is Chris Grayling... (May's campaign manager - and clearly likely to get a promotion)
Christ. What a mess. There was an excellent Matt a few days ago with 2 students saying they were studying politics and in particular the period from Thursday morning to Friday lunchtime.
My list of reasons to support Theresa has not got any longer. I am suspicious of her authoritarian tendencies, her belief in government action, her failure of delivery at the Home Office and her narrow outlook on life. Having had the government that was probably closest to my own political views in my adult life under Cameron and Osborne I feel at most a semi detached supporter of this new government.
I hope for the best but fear the worst in a situation where we have no effective opposition. The sheer self indulgence of those people who nominated and voted for Corbyn makes me sick.
I've been waiting for my silent rage to subside - and it isn't. I can't recall the last time I felt so grrrrr. Thirty years or more.
Entirely predictable that there will be nobody around from Leave to be held accountable for their campaign and its consequences.
This is the real downside with a referendum, Boris, Farage, Gove, now Leadsom have all washed their hands of implementing Brexit. It's a bloody disgrace that people who never wanted us to leave the EU are now left having to make the best of it as all the Leavers walk away. It really makes me angry but, as I said, entirely predictable from Leave.
I suspect they will now go back to carping on the sidelines again and blame any problems on the poor sods landed with implementing it. Not on ounce of political guts or integrity between the lot of them..
Somewhat scarily, the most senior Leaver left standing is Chris Grayling... (May's campaign manager - and clearly likely to get a promotion)
David Davis is still there as well.
Fair point. Presumably it is too much to hope that he could be the new Home Secretary...
Entirely predictable that there will be nobody around from Leave to be held accountable for their campaign and its consequences. This is the real downside with a referendum, Boris, Farage, Gove, now Leadsom have all washed their hands of implementing Brexit. It's a bloody disgrace that people who never wanted us to leave the EU are now left having to make the best of it as all the Leavers walk away. It really makes me angry but, as I said, entirely predictable from Leave. I suspect they will now go back to carping on the sidelines again and blame any problems on the poor sods landed with implementing it. Not on ounce of political guts or integrity between the lot of them..
You seem to be overlooking Cameron and Osborne, who set the whole nonsense up in the first place with no regard for the consequences, and are now calmly walking away from the disaster, just like the rest of the top Tories.
They, at least, simply lacked the strength with their members to deny a vote and we're very clear in the end what a bad idea they thought it was.
O/TBetting for POTUS after this one,keep an eye on Zephyr Teachout who is standing for Congress in NY.She has the Bernie Sanders endorsement.When the new odds are announced,my money will be on Zephyr to be next POTUS in 4 years's time.She is one hell of a woman and human being.
I suspect that May will be a reasonably good PM actually. I also suspect that all she needs to do to achieve a proper unity within the party is to deliver on Brexit on almost any terms. If she takes us out without breaking anything too badly she'll go down in history with a positive write-up. If she weasels out then the history books are going to be very unkind.
Patrick's advice to our new PM: 1. Get us out and don't ruin our economy or international friendships in the process. 2. Trigger A50 soonish (within 6 months). 3. Repeal the FTPA and go for a GE soon. 4. TRADE BABY TRADE!
None of those are easy, the first may be impossible.
Is there a book on whether DC or TM will do PMQs this week?
Article 50. I assume that TM won't invoke it before the summer hols, and will give her team at least 6-8 weeks after the summer to get some talking done, so I'm guessing that 1st November would be the earliest date. It'd damp Ukip down if she were to announce the date now, but I suppose she's not the kind of person who'd do that.
It all depends whether May gives the country change.
If we get Brexit that is indistinguishable from EU membership, and continued mass migration, then I think she will be seen as the Conservatives' Gordon Brown. If she plots a more radical path, then she may be another Thatcher.
Her speech today - clearly aimed at the country, not members - was not exactly 'steady as she goes....'
Christ. What a mess. There was an excellent Matt a few days ago with 2 students saying they were studying politics and in particular the period from Thursday morning to Friday lunchtime.
My list of reasons to support Theresa has not got any longer. I am suspicious of her authoritarian tendencies, her belief in government action, her failure of delivery at the Home Office and her narrow outlook on life. Having had the government that was probably closest to my own political views in my adult life under Cameron and Osborne I feel at most a semi detached supporter of this new government.
I hope for the best but fear the worst in a situation where we have no effective opposition. The sheer self indulgence of those people who nominated and voted for Corbyn makes me sick.
Is there a book on whether DC or TM will do PMQs this week?
Article 50. I assume that TM won't invoke it before the summer hols, and will give her team at least 6-8 weeks after the summer to get some talking done, so I'm guessing that 1st November would be the earliest date. It'd damp Ukip down if she were to announce the date now, but I suppose she's not the kind of person who'd do that.
Surely you give DC the farewell. I mean, things have got to happen behind the scenes anyway. May would want to be fully briefed.
O/TBetting for POTUS after this one,keep an eye on Zephyr Teachout who is standing for Congress in NY.She has the Bernie Sanders endorsement.When the new odds are announced,my money will be on Zephyr to be next POTUS in 4 years's time.She is one hell of a woman and human being.
You couldn't guess she was born in 1971, could you...
You voted Leave. What did you think would happen to Cameron and Osborne and the more rational form of politics?
"Rational form of politics"' ??? Cameron and Osborne dominated the Remain campaign, crowding out all other voices and shades of opinion, and relied 100% on a campaign of fear.
I shall be very happy to see the back of the pair of them.
Christ. What a mess. There was an excellent Matt a few days ago with 2 students saying they were studying politics and in particular the period from Thursday morning to Friday lunchtime.
My list of reasons to support Theresa has not got any longer. I am suspicious of her authoritarian tendencies, her belief in government action, her failure of delivery at the Home Office and her narrow outlook on life. Having had the government that was probably closest to my own political views in my adult life under Cameron and Osborne I feel at most a semi detached supporter of this new government.
I hope for the best but fear the worst in a situation where we have no effective opposition. The sheer self indulgence of those people who nominated and voted for Corbyn makes me sick.
I've been waiting for my silent rage to subside - and it isn't. I can't recall the last time I felt so grrrrr. Thirty years or more.
Suck it up. You voted Leave and threw all the cards up in the air. Can't really complain if they come down in a random order you dislike.
I suspect that May will be a reasonably good PM actually. I also suspect that all she needs to do to achieve a proper unity within the party is to deliver on Brexit on almost any terms. If she takes us out without breaking anything too badly she'll go down in history with a positive write-up. If she weasels out then the history books are going to be very unkind.
Patrick's advice to our new PM: 1. Get us out and don't ruin our economy or international friendships in the process. 2. Trigger A50 soonish (within 6 months). 3. Repeal the FTPA and go for a GE soon. 4. TRADE BABY TRADE!
The problem with that, and the EU debate all along, is that it isn't a case of "We're off and will never deal with you again". It's a case of we don't want the current arrangement but aren't clear what the alternative would be, that is acceptable to all parties. In any case the transition will be complicated and probably slow.
Our soon-to-be-PM has a massively difficult problem deciding on Cabinet posts and the Brexit negotiation team.
Where there is discord, may we bring harmony. Where there is error, may we bring truth. Where there is doubt, may we bring faith. And where there is despair, may we bring hope.
Our soon-to-be-PM has a massively difficult problem deciding on Cabinet posts and the Brexit negotiation team.
Where there is discord, may we bring harmony. Where there is error, may we bring truth. Where there is doubt, may we bring faith. And where there is despair, may we bring hope.
Christ. What a mess. There was an excellent Matt a few days ago with 2 students saying they were studying politics and in particular the period from Thursday morning to Friday lunchtime.
My list of reasons to support Theresa has not got any longer. I am suspicious of her authoritarian tendencies, her belief in government action, her failure of delivery at the Home Office and her narrow outlook on life. Having had the government that was probably closest to my own political views in my adult life under Cameron and Osborne I feel at most a semi detached supporter of this new government.
I hope for the best but fear the worst in a situation where we have no effective opposition. The sheer self indulgence of those people who nominated and voted for Corbyn makes me sick.
I've been waiting for my silent rage to subside - and it isn't. I can't recall the last time I felt so grrrrr. Thirty years or more.
Suck it up. You voted Leave and threw all the cards up in the air. Can't really complain if they come down in a random order you dislike.
That At Least Is True. While I'd have preferred a contest to clear up some issues, I'm not a tory and frankly this is not the worst outcome for my strand of leaver.
Christ. What a mess. There was an excellent Matt a few days ago with 2 students saying they were studying politics and in particular the period from Thursday morning to Friday lunchtime.
My list of reasons to support Theresa has not got any longer. I am suspicious of her authoritarian tendencies, her belief in government action, her failure of delivery at the Home Office and her narrow outlook on life. Having had the government that was probably closest to my own political views in my adult life under Cameron and Osborne I feel at most a semi detached supporter of this new government.
I hope for the best but fear the worst in a situation where we have no effective opposition. The sheer self indulgence of those people who nominated and voted for Corbyn makes me sick.
I've been waiting for my silent rage to subside - and it isn't. I can't recall the last time I felt so grrrrr. Thirty years or more.
I feel for you. I believe your "yebbut have you got a vote in this election?" gambit of yesterday has also backfired on you a bit.
Leadsom deserves magnanimity: nothing in her campaign became her like the leaving of it.
And the "let's all laugh at IDS" ness of all this is surpassed only by the "let's all laugh at mensch" angle.
Theresa May, the Conservative party's Gordon Brown. Gets a reputation for being competent by staying in a top job for a long time despite mediocre performance, gets to be PM without a real fight.
She fought as much of a fight as Heath, Thatcher, Major or Hague did - or Labour leaders such as Wilson, Callaghan and Foot.
Indeed, had she run under previous rules, she'd have been elected after only one ballot, which most people would regard as a very strong mandate - and more than in the actual elections held under those rules.
We'll see what she does but if Theresa thinks she can get away with not implementing Brexit the 17m who voted LEAVE will have no other choice than to take the UKIP route in 2020.
Which Is why she would never risk that even if she wanted to. With no contest it may be even harder to get a sort of Brexit lite option, as her feet will be held to the fire and she has no proven member backer.
If she takes us into an EEA deal with free movement she is going to be needing Boris' water cannons.
Christ. What a mess. There was an excellent Matt a few days ago with 2 students saying they were studying politics and in particular the period from Thursday morning to Friday lunchtime.
My list of reasons to support Theresa has not got any longer. I am suspicious of her authoritarian tendencies, her belief in government action, her failure of delivery at the Home Office and her narrow outlook on life. Having had the government that was probably closest to my own political views in my adult life under Cameron and Osborne I feel at most a semi detached supporter of this new government.
I hope for the best but fear the worst in a situation where we have no effective opposition. The sheer self indulgence of those people who nominated and voted for Corbyn makes me sick.
I've been waiting for my silent rage to subside - and it isn't. I can't recall the last time I felt so grrrrr. Thirty years or more.
'Silent rage' seems an odd response from someone who claimed to be undecided
Seriously, either graciously accept the result as Leadsom has done, or just leave the Tories and join UKIP. They seem a better fit to your views atm IMO.
You voted Leave. What did you think would happen to Cameron and Osborne and the more rational form of politics?
"Rational form of politics"' ??? Cameron and Osborne dominated the Remain campaign, crowding out all other voices and shades of opinion, and relied 100% on a campaign of fear.
I shall be very happy to see the back of the pair of them.
Maybe so, but DavidL wants Cameron and Osborne, yet voted for an action that guaranteed their destruction along with the kind of politics they represent and which he approves of.
Actually all the things that Leadsom has been talking about before the ref regarding FTSE pay etc was a big part of May's speech, maybe May can appoint her head of some taskforce.
I wonder whether, if Labour can oust Corbyn (big if), it's worth trying to engineer a Lab-LD-Green electoral pact? If Lab stand down in say 30 LD seats and 5 Green seats, and in return LD and Green agree not to stand in any Lab-Con marginals, there'd be a faint hope of averting a Tory or Tory/Ukip landslide.
''I do not think UKIP will benefit at all from this as regards the Tories - possibly from Labour but my feeling is the party will gradually fade away now. ''
LOL
I've just bunged some money towards UKIP. Not at all impressed.
ROFL LMFAO - as some of us predicted Plato is on the move again - beware UKIP she won't be with you for long
It's great to see that the Establishment has taken such a massive whacking as a result of the Brexit vote. It took nearly two and a half weeks for it to get its bearings and reassert its authority. Blimey, what a revolution :-D
You voted Leave. What did you think would happen to Cameron and Osborne and the more rational form of politics?
"Rational form of politics"' ??? Cameron and Osborne dominated the Remain campaign, crowding out all other voices and shades of opinion, and relied 100% on a campaign of fear.
I shall be very happy to see the back of the pair of them.
Maybe so, but DavidL wants Cameron and Osborne, yet voted for an action that guaranteed their destruction along with the kind of politics they represent and which he approves of.
Because the future of this nation is far more important than whether Dave stays in as PM. I liked Dave as well, but leaving the EU is forever, Dave and George aren't.
Leadsom statement 12.15, 1922 Chair 12.30, May campaign chief 12.45, Tory MPs all pulling together and pledging support to Theresa - all feels rather well co-ordinated this.
Good on the Tories if so.
Tories do political manoeuvre properly, compared to the shower in Labour
You missed one. Theresa's speech this morning which was a pitch to voters, not members.
Which makes you wonder when she knew Leadsom was pulling out?
Others said on the earlier thread it was a strange speech to make to a CONSERVATIVE electorate.
Not so strange as for a speech for the start of a GE campaign.
The calls for a GE will become irresistable,especially with Labour analysing its navel and rear-end for the foreseeable future.
Paul Mason @paulmasonnews 20m20 minutes ago Lambeth, London Tory coronation of Theresa May, unopposed = act of an entitled elite w zero credibility. General Election Now!
''I do not think UKIP will benefit at all from this as regards the Tories - possibly from Labour but my feeling is the party will gradually fade away now. ''
LOL
I've just bunged some money towards UKIP. Not at all impressed.
ROFL LMFAO - as some of us predicted Plato is on the move again - beware UKIP she won't be with you for long
The only political equivalent I can think of is Winston McKenzie.
It's great to see that the Establishment has taken such a massive whacking as a result of the Brexit vote. It took nearly two and a half weeks for it to get its bearings and reassert its authority. Blimey, what a revolution :-D
Actually all the things that Leadsom has been talking about before the ref regarding FTSE pay etc was a big part of May's speech, maybe May can appoint her head of some taskforce.
The only reason May might not call an early GE is Scotland. The SNP would presumably win just about every seat on a mandate of a new independence referendum. That is possibly not something that she would want to deal with while negotiating Brexit. However, apart from that she would be mad not to do it. The Tories will get their biggest majority since WW2 and Labour will be torn asunder, in no position to oppose with a leader - adored by the membership - who has just led the party to its most catastrophic defeat ever and is despised by the party's remaining rump of MPs.
That's one reason, but there is another. As has been pointed out, if she goes to a GE having not triggered Article 50 UKIP could do very well indeed. I'd expect Farage to cancel his resignation again.
If there is an autumn election, the Tories will fight it on an explicitly pro-Brexit platform now. That particular UKIP fox will be shot.
The calls for a GE will become irresistable,especially with Labour analysing its navel and rear-end for the foreseeable future.
Paul Mason @paulmasonnews 20m20 minutes ago Lambeth, London Tory coronation of Theresa May, unopposed = act of an entitled elite w zero credibility. General Election Now!
From an unreconstructed Leftie like Mason that is hilarious.
Christ. What a mess. There was an excellent Matt a few days ago with 2 students saying they were studying politics and in particular the period from Thursday morning to Friday lunchtime.
My list of reasons to support Theresa has not got any longer. I am suspicious of her authoritarian tendencies, her belief in government action, her failure of delivery at the Home Office and her narrow outlook on life. Having had the government that was probably closest to my own political views in my adult life under Cameron and Osborne I feel at most a semi detached supporter of this new government.
I hope for the best but fear the worst in a situation where we have no effective opposition. The sheer self indulgence of those people who nominated and voted for Corbyn makes me sick.
I've been waiting for my silent rage to subside - and it isn't. I can't recall the last time I felt so grrrrr. Thirty years or more.
Yay - the gift that keeps on giving. One by one the headbangers who won the referendum have fallen away at the prospect of dealing with it and thus shown their true destructive colours. Never mind the big girls [ and boys] will now try to make it work for the 17m and the 16m.
Actually all the things that Leadsom has been talking about before the ref regarding FTSE pay etc was a big part of May's speech, maybe May can appoint her head of some taskforce.
Staples and Paperclips?
I did suggest the Department of Administrative Affairs a couple of days ago
The only reason May might not call an early GE is Scotland. The SNP would presumably win just about every seat on a mandate of a new independence referendum. That is possibly not something that she would want to deal with while negotiating Brexit. However, apart from that she would be mad not to do it. The Tories will get their biggest majority since WW2 and Labour will be torn asunder, in no position to oppose with a leader - adored by the membership - who has just led the party to its most catastrophic defeat ever and is despised by the party's remaining rump of MPs.
It's a no brainer isn't it? I agree Scotland is an issue, but Scotland is going to be an issue anyway whatever happens. Great chance to knock Labour out for the next 10 years at least.
I suspect May is probably thinking more about what is in the interests of the nation at the moment, as anyone about to assume the highest office in the land should be, not about how to completely screw over the Labour Party...
The only reason May might not call an early GE is Scotland. The SNP would presumably win just about every seat on a mandate of a new independence referendum. That is possibly not something that she would want to deal with while negotiating Brexit. However, apart from that she would be mad not to do it. The Tories will get their biggest majority since WW2 and Labour will be torn asunder, in no position to oppose with a leader - adored by the membership - who has just led the party to its most catastrophic defeat ever and is despised by the party's remaining rump of MPs.
It's a no brainer isn't it? I agree Scotland is an issue, but Scotland is going to be an issue anyway whatever happens. Great chance to knock Labour out for the next 10 years at least.
I suspect May is probably thinking more about what is in the interests of the nation at the moment, as anyone about to assume the highest office in the land should be, not about how to completely screw over the Labour Party...
Well said
Are the interests of the nation best served by having a government with a slim majority and no Brexit deal mandate? If the hard core Tory right wanted to cause trouble they are in a very strong position to do so. Does May want that? Does the country?
The only reason May might not call an early GE is Scotland. The SNP would presumably win just about every seat on a mandate of a new independence referendum. That is possibly not something that she would want to deal with while negotiating Brexit. However, apart from that she would be mad not to do it. The Tories will get their biggest majority since WW2 and Labour will be torn asunder, in no position to oppose with a leader - adored by the membership - who has just led the party to its most catastrophic defeat ever and is despised by the party's remaining rump of MPs.
That's one reason, but there is another. As has been pointed out, if she goes to a GE having not triggered Article 50 UKIP could do very well indeed. I'd expect Farage to cancel his resignation again.
If there is an autumn election, the Tories will fight it on an explicitly pro-Brexit platform now. That particular UKIP fox will be shot.
Yes, pro-leave but also staying in the single market.
You voted Leave. What did you think would happen to Cameron and Osborne and the more rational form of politics?
"Rational form of politics"' ??? Cameron and Osborne dominated the Remain campaign, crowding out all other voices and shades of opinion, and relied 100% on a campaign of fear.
I shall be very happy to see the back of the pair of them.
Maybe so, but DavidL wants Cameron and Osborne, yet voted for an action that guaranteed their destruction along with the kind of politics they represent and which he approves of.
There's lots of unintended consequences happening recently.
You voted Leave. What did you think would happen to Cameron and Osborne and the more rational form of politics?
"Rational form of politics"' ??? Cameron and Osborne dominated the Remain campaign, crowding out all other voices and shades of opinion, and relied 100% on a campaign of fear.
I shall be very happy to see the back of the pair of them.
Maybe so, but DavidL wants Cameron and Osborne, yet voted for an action that guaranteed their destruction along with the kind of politics they represent and which he approves of.
Because the future of this nation is far more important than whether Dave stays in as PM. I liked Dave as well, but leaving the EU is forever, Dave and George aren't.
That is it exactly. I believe that Brexit will prove to be in our long term interests. But oh the price! We have yet to ascertain the price.
I wonder whether, if Labour can oust Corbyn (big if), it's worth trying to engineer a Lab-LD-Green electoral pact? If Lab stand down in say 30 LD seats and 5 Green seats, and in return LD and Green agree not to stand in any Lab-Con marginals, there'd be a faint hope of averting a Tory or Tory/Ukip landslide.
''I do not think UKIP will benefit at all from this as regards the Tories - possibly from Labour but my feeling is the party will gradually fade away now. ''
LOL
I've just bunged some money towards UKIP. Not at all impressed.
ROFL LMFAO - as some of us predicted Plato is on the move again - beware UKIP she won't be with you for long
The only political equivalent I can think of is Winston McKenzie.
It's great to see that the Establishment has taken such a massive whacking as a result of the Brexit vote. It took nearly two and a half weeks for it to get its bearings and reassert its authority. Blimey, what a revolution :-D
The calls for a GE will become irresistable,especially with Labour analysing its navel and rear-end for the foreseeable future.
Paul Mason @paulmasonnews 20m20 minutes ago Lambeth, London Tory coronation of Theresa May, unopposed = act of an entitled elite w zero credibility. General Election Now!
I'm not a fan of snap GE (even though Labour taking a hammering is what I usually like to see). Far too much going on right now. Getting the right balance of the cabinet is not going to be easy then setting up the negotiating team and deciding what we want from the exit. Once article 50 is triggered we then have 2 years of complex negotiations and having to go through all the legal changes.
The only reason May might not call an early GE is Scotland. The SNP would presumably win just about every seat on a mandate of a new independence referendum. That is possibly not something that she would want to deal with while negotiating Brexit. However, apart from that she would be mad not to do it. The Tories will get their biggest majority since WW2 and Labour will be torn asunder, in no position to oppose with a leader - adored by the membership - who has just led the party to its most catastrophic defeat ever and is despised by the party's remaining rump of MPs.
The SNP have 56 of the 59 seats, there are none left for them to win so any mandate really wouldn't carry any more weight than it did before...
The SNP did not campaign specifically on an independence referendum last time.
I agree. Being elected unopposed made Brown even worse than he would otherwise have been.
But May hasnt been electd unopposed.
She was opposed by 4 Parliamentary colleagues and gained over 50 % of the vote in the first round. Comparisons with Brown I think are misplaced.
In addition, Brown and his entourage of sh*ts spent ten years undermining the leader of their party and destroying alternate candidates in order to get the job. In the process he created the mess Labour now find themselves in, with all credible alternatives off the scene or damaged.
We'll see what she does but if Theresa thinks she can get away with not implementing Brexit the 17m who voted LEAVE will have no other choice than to take the UKIP route in 2020.
Which Is why she would never risk that even if she wanted to. With no contest it may be even harder to get a sort of Brexit lite option, as her feet will be held to the fire and she has no proven member backer.
She won't backtrack on Brexit. No reason to from her point of view - her voters and members favoured Leave, the country favoured Leave, most remainers accept the result anyway, the EU will want us out ASAP not changing our minds every couple months, and she herself was not exactly a europhile so she probably doesn't mind brexiting! However, I think a Brexit-lite becomes more likely now, as she won't have to make all sorts of red meat Brexit promises to beat Leadsom, there is no-one important left to hold her feet to the fire.
The only reason May might not call an early GE is Scotland. The SNP would presumably win just about every seat on a mandate of a new independence referendum. That is possibly not something that she would want to deal with while negotiating Brexit. However, apart from that she would be mad not to do it. The Tories will get their biggest majority since WW2 and Labour will be torn asunder, in no position to oppose with a leader - adored by the membership - who has just led the party to its most catastrophic defeat ever and is despised by the party's remaining rump of MPs.
That's one reason, but there is another. As has been pointed out, if she goes to a GE having not triggered Article 50 UKIP could do very well indeed. I'd expect Farage to cancel his resignation again.
If there is an autumn election, the Tories will fight it on an explicitly pro-Brexit platform now. That particular UKIP fox will be shot.
UKIP - Full English Brexit
Tories - Theresa's Brexit fudgecake.
Lib Dems - Remain
Labour - Err err errrrrrr erm err emmmm ah a Ha HA HAHAHAHAHHAHAHA Bwahahaha LOL
Christ. What a mess. There was an excellent Matt a few days ago with 2 students saying they were studying politics and in particular the period from Thursday morning to Friday lunchtime.
My list of reasons to support Theresa has not got any longer. I am suspicious of her authoritarian tendencies, her belief in government action, her failure of delivery at the Home Office and her narrow outlook on life. Having had the government that was probably closest to my own political views in my adult life under Cameron and Osborne I feel at most a semi detached supporter of this new government.
I hope for the best but fear the worst in a situation where we have no effective opposition. The sheer self indulgence of those people who nominated and voted for Corbyn makes me sick.
I've been waiting for my silent rage to subside - and it isn't. I can't recall the last time I felt so grrrrr. Thirty years or more.
Yay - the gift that keeps on giving. One by one the headbangers who won the referendum have fallen away at the prospect of dealing with it and thus shown their true destructive colours. Never mind the big girls [ and boys] will now try to make it work for the 17m and the 16m.
Gove, Boris, Farage, Leadsom......what is it with LEAVErs and taking responsibility?
Our soon-to-be-PM has a massively difficult problem deciding on Cabinet posts and the Brexit negotiation team.
Yes. 1. How big a break with Cameron, Osborne, Hancock, Hands and Perry? 2. Is she going to kick out or keep the poisonous Soubry and Boles? 3. Is she going to move on the duffers such as Letwin, Mcloughlin and Morgan? 4. Will she bring in Brady, Davis and Fox? 5. Will we get a cabinet of a manageable smaller size?
"I was responsible for writing a quantitative bonus scheme that measured the performance of fund managers over three, five and 10 years according to the performance of the team, the business and the individual, which involved clawbacks, as appropriate. I started that work in 1999 and finished it in 2009, so I can say with confidence that I did my bit on remuneration"
You voted Leave. What did you think would happen to Cameron and Osborne and the more rational form of politics?
"Rational form of politics"' ??? Cameron and Osborne dominated the Remain campaign, crowding out all other voices and shades of opinion, and relied 100% on a campaign of fear.
I shall be very happy to see the back of the pair of them.
Maybe so, but DavidL wants Cameron and Osborne, yet voted for an action that guaranteed their destruction along with the kind of politics they represent and which he approves of.
I think DavidL wanted something that Cameron and Osborne appeared to be - and perhaps they even were for a time, while we had the benefits of Coalition Government - but since the general election, they came out in their true colours. And in this referendum campaign, even more so. They are just a couple of unscrupulous bullies, who have no heed for the consequences of their actions.
Yes, pro-leave but also staying in the single market.
I don't think we'll be staying in the single market:
Q: Would you stay in the single market?
May says she wants to get the best deal for trade in goods and services. But free movement of labour cannot continue. The Brexit vote was very clear on that, she says.
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Perhaps fear of a Corbyn situation?
Patrick's advice to our new PM:
1. Get us out and don't ruin our economy or international friendships in the process.
2. Trigger A50 soonish (within 6 months).
3. Repeal the FTPA and go for a GE soon.
4. TRADE BABY TRADE!
Article 50. I assume that TM won't invoke it before the summer hols, and will give her team at least 6-8 weeks after the summer to get some talking done, so I'm guessing that 1st November would be the earliest date. It'd damp Ukip down if she were to announce the date now, but I suppose she's not the kind of person who'd do that.
Discussions with Sir Christopher Geidt - Her Maj's Private Secretary required.
https://www.royal.uk/
I shall be very happy to see the back of the pair of them.
BBC - "Gove: Theresa May has my 'full support'"
BBC - "Boris Johnson: May will be 'excellent' PM"
She was opposed by 4 Parliamentary colleagues and gained over 50 % of the vote in the first round.
Comparisons with Brown I think are misplaced.
84 is not 'less than 25%' of 331 - it is 25.3%.
If Bercow is excluded as of course he should be, the percentage rises a fraction.
Are we seeing why she had to massage her CV a bit?
Edit: ignore me, forgot PMQs isn't tomorrow. Doh
Leadsom deserves magnanimity: nothing in her campaign became her like the leaving of it.
And the "let's all laugh at IDS" ness of all this is surpassed only by the "let's all laugh at mensch" angle.
Indeed, had she run under previous rules, she'd have been elected after only one ballot, which most people would regard as a very strong mandate - and more than in the actual elections held under those rules.
Seriously, either graciously accept the result as Leadsom has done, or just leave the Tories and join UKIP. They seem a better fit to your views atm IMO.
Politics is mad at the moment.
Anyway, I'm off for a bit. Will be interesting to see how the dust has settled when I return.
'our procedures are very clear?'
Could hardly blame him under the circumstances!
Everybody wants a bite out of the Labour Party before it starts to smell.
Others said on the earlier thread it was a strange speech to make to a CONSERVATIVE electorate.
Not so strange as for a speech for the start of a GE campaign.
Senior Tory backer of Leadsom: "This is a very good day for Ukip. I wouldn't be surprised if Farage changes his mind and stays on now."
Paul Mason @paulmasonnews 20m20 minutes ago Lambeth, London
Tory coronation of Theresa May, unopposed = act of an entitled elite w zero credibility. General Election Now!
A Moss side boy made good springs to mind.
It's only been a few weeks since I moved from folding writing sheets and using my armorial seal ring and red wax ....
http://zelo-street.blogspot.co.id/2016/07/andrea-leadsom-more-cv-woe.html
We are in for a rough few years ahead.
Mind you it would be on the current boundaries.
May hasn't. She's been a team player throughout.
Tories - Theresa's Brexit fudgecake.
Lib Dems - Remain
Labour - Err err errrrrrr erm err emmmm ah a Ha HA HAHAHAHAHHAHAHA Bwahahaha LOL
Well the deal is done - now can we get back to laughing at Labour ?
1. How big a break with Cameron, Osborne, Hancock, Hands and Perry?
2. Is she going to kick out or keep the poisonous Soubry and Boles?
3. Is she going to move on the duffers such as Letwin, Mcloughlin and Morgan?
4. Will she bring in Brady, Davis and Fox?
5. Will we get a cabinet of a manageable smaller size?
Q: Would you stay in the single market?
May says she wants to get the best deal for trade in goods and services. But free movement of labour cannot continue. The Brexit vote was very clear on that, she says.
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/blog/live/2016/jul/11/andrea-leadsom-apologises-to-theresa-may-politics-live?page=with:block-578377d1e4b0eebd31587035#liveblog-navigation
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