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No. Fox will be gutted if he isn't first.AlastairMeeks said:
Won't Crabb go first?MarqueeMark said:
The first round is just to get rid of Fox.BenedictWhite said:
You can get 200 on the first ballot and still not make the final cut. No one has to say which way they voted and they can change their minds between rounds.RobD said:
Yeah, so it's more like a guaranteed place, rather than an automatic one.Barnesian said:
There are 330 Tory MPs. You can't come third with 110 or more because the top two can't each have more than 110.RobD said:
Is there such a thing as an automatic place? I thought it simply the figure at which coming third was virtually impossible?rottenborough said:
May is just short I believe of automatic place - 110 IIRC.John_M said:
After that, it gets serious.0 -
Only if every up escalator is standing only.Sunil_Prasannan said:
Standing may increase capacity, but it slows down people wot want to reach their exit or interchange quickly.MrsB said:
Oh Scott, how could you! I thought that if we had learned one thing in the last few weeks, it is that factual evidence has no value at all, and you should hang your head in shame at trying to convince someone to change their mind with reasoned arguments.Scott_P said:
Except that is not necessarily true, is it? I though the whole point of the experiment was to prove standing increases capacity.Mortimer said:That standing only escalator rule would annoy me rotten. Stupid to say it would be quicker for all if everyone stood still; it would be even quicker if everyone walked.
If everyone stands, every step can accommodate 2 people. If everyone is walking, each person takes up at least 2 steps, so you may have quarter of the capacity, even if each person moves faster0 -
ICM did well at GE2015 and EUref, didn't they?TheScreamingEagles said:0 -
IT in these organisations never fails to amaze me. This is the sort of thing that gets an IT Director in the private sector a P45, yet no-one ever hears of anyone being sacked for such incompetence in public organisations.DanSmith said:
Do Labour not keep backups of the shared drive? Schoolboy error if they don't.RodCrosby said:'A senior Labour source, close to the embattled leader, said they had blocked Watson from talking privately to Corbyn because they have a “duty of care. They [Watson’s aides] want Watson to be on his own with Corbyn so that he can jab his finger at him,” the source said.
“We are not letting that happen. He’s a 70-year-old [sic] man. We have a duty of care … This is not a one-off. There is a culture of bullying. Maybe it’s a Blairite/Brownite thing.”'
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On Saturday night, Corbyn allies accused the parliamentary party of sabotaging Labour’s ability to hold the government to account.
One Labour source said those at the top of the party were livid when it emerged that files on a shared Labour party hard drive relating to the finance bill going through parliament had been deleted as the shadow finance secretary Rob Marris resigned.
An internal email seen by this newspaper said: “Unfortunately, it looks like someone from Rob Marris’s office has deleted the vast majority of the finance bill records and notes on each clause from the shared drive.”
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/jul/02/corbyn-keeps-watson-arms-length?CMP=twt_a-politics_b-gdnukpolitics0 -
They did very well in the EURef, the only phone pollster to have Leave winning.Sunil_Prasannan said:
ICM did well at GE2015 and EUref, didn't they?TheScreamingEagles said:0 -
Let me guess. Dropbox or Google Drive?Sandpit said:
IT in these organisations never fails to amaze me. This is the sort of thing that gets an IT Director in the private sector a P45, yet no-one ever hears of anyone being sacked for such incompetence in public organisations.DanSmith said:
Do Labour not keep backups of the shared drive? Schoolboy error if they don't.RodCrosby said:'A senior Labour source, close to the embattled leader, said they had blocked Watson from talking privately to Corbyn because they have a “duty of care. They [Watson’s aides] want Watson to be on his own with Corbyn so that he can jab his finger at him,” the source said.
“We are not letting that happen. He’s a 70-year-old [sic] man. We have a duty of care … This is not a one-off. There is a culture of bullying. Maybe it’s a Blairite/Brownite thing.”'
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On Saturday night, Corbyn allies accused the parliamentary party of sabotaging Labour’s ability to hold the government to account.
One Labour source said those at the top of the party were livid when it emerged that files on a shared Labour party hard drive relating to the finance bill going through parliament had been deleted as the shadow finance secretary Rob Marris resigned.
An internal email seen by this newspaper said: “Unfortunately, it looks like someone from Rob Marris’s office has deleted the vast majority of the finance bill records and notes on each clause from the shared drive.”
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/jul/02/corbyn-keeps-watson-arms-length?CMP=twt_a-politics_b-gdnukpolitics0 -
Ta.TheScreamingEagles said:
They did very well in the EURef, the only phone pollster to have Leave winning.Sunil_Prasannan said:
ICM did well at GE2015 and EUref, didn't they?TheScreamingEagles said:
Theresa "may" become PM in that case
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Yes. Before the campaign starts in earnest.TheScreamingEagles said:
What was the position before the last leadership election? I'm sticking with my position on Leadsom, (For now) though I am not saying she is good value at her current price.0 -
I think those allow you to restore deleted files.RodCrosby said:
Let me guess. Dropbox or Google Drive?Sandpit said:
IT in these organisations never fails to amaze me. This is the sort of thing that gets an IT Director in the private sector a P45, yet no-one ever hears of anyone being sacked for such incompetence in public organisations.DanSmith said:
Do Labour not keep backups of the shared drive? Schoolboy error if they don't.RodCrosby said:'A senior Labour source, close to the embattled leader, said they had blocked Watson from talking privately to Corbyn because they have a “duty of care. They [Watson’s aides] want Watson to be on his own with Corbyn so that he can jab his finger at him,” the source said.
“We are not letting that happen. He’s a 70-year-old [sic] man. We have a duty of care … This is not a one-off. There is a culture of bullying. Maybe it’s a Blairite/Brownite thing.”'
[Also]
On Saturday night, Corbyn allies accused the parliamentary party of sabotaging Labour’s ability to hold the government to account.
One Labour source said those at the top of the party were livid when it emerged that files on a shared Labour party hard drive relating to the finance bill going through parliament had been deleted as the shadow finance secretary Rob Marris resigned.
An internal email seen by this newspaper said: “Unfortunately, it looks like someone from Rob Marris’s office has deleted the vast majority of the finance bill records and notes on each clause from the shared drive.”
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/jul/02/corbyn-keeps-watson-arms-length?CMP=twt_a-politics_b-gdnukpolitics0 -
Germans singing "put your hands in the air like you just don't care..."0
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Imagine being at a party full of the people on Gove's list.rottenborough said:
May is just short I believe of automatic place - 110 IIRC.John_M said:
I'd leave to go for a KFC with the Moggster0 -
"Nearly" half of members back Theresa? Would you not expect her position to be a bit stronger than that at this early stage?TheScreamingEagles said:0 -
The present system is a compromise between those wanting to stand and those wanting to walk.ThreeQuidder said:
Only if every up escalator is standing only.Sunil_Prasannan said:
Standing may increase capacity, but it slows down people wot want to reach their exit or interchange quickly.MrsB said:
Oh Scott, how could you! I thought that if we had learned one thing in the last few weeks, it is that factual evidence has no value at all, and you should hang your head in shame at trying to convince someone to change their mind with reasoned arguments.Scott_P said:
Except that is not necessarily true, is it? I though the whole point of the experiment was to prove standing increases capacity.Mortimer said:That standing only escalator rule would annoy me rotten. Stupid to say it would be quicker for all if everyone stood still; it would be even quicker if everyone walked.
If everyone stands, every step can accommodate 2 people. If everyone is walking, each person takes up at least 2 steps, so you may have quarter of the capacity, even if each person moves faster0 -
They might. They will also allow you to really delete deleted files.RobD said:
I think those allow you to restore deleted files.RodCrosby said:
Let me guess. Dropbox or Google Drive?Sandpit said:
IT in these organisations never fails to amaze me. This is the sort of thing that gets an IT Director in the private sector a P45, yet no-one ever hears of anyone being sacked for such incompetence in public organisations.DanSmith said:
Do Labour not keep backups of the shared drive? Schoolboy error if they don't.RodCrosby said:'A senior Labour source, close to the embattled leader, said they had blocked Watson from talking privately to Corbyn because they have a “duty of care. They [Watson’s aides] want Watson to be on his own with Corbyn so that he can jab his finger at him,” the source said.
“We are not letting that happen. He’s a 70-year-old [sic] man. We have a duty of care … This is not a one-off. There is a culture of bullying. Maybe it’s a Blairite/Brownite thing.”'
[Also]
On Saturday night, Corbyn allies accused the parliamentary party of sabotaging Labour’s ability to hold the government to account.
One Labour source said those at the top of the party were livid when it emerged that files on a shared Labour party hard drive relating to the finance bill going through parliament had been deleted as the shadow finance secretary Rob Marris resigned.
An internal email seen by this newspaper said: “Unfortunately, it looks like someone from Rob Marris’s office has deleted the vast majority of the finance bill records and notes on each clause from the shared drive.”
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/jul/02/corbyn-keeps-watson-arms-length?CMP=twt_a-politics_b-gdnukpolitics0 -
Italy score a penalty - 1-1 now.0
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Pleased to have got on Itay at 49-1 on 73 minutes....0
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And works in most places. But Holborn isn't one of them, and switching from two stand two walk to three stand one walk is eminently sensible.Sunil_Prasannan said:
The present system is a compromise between those wanting to stand and those wanting to walk.ThreeQuidder said:
Only if every up escalator is standing only.Sunil_Prasannan said:
Standing may increase capacity, but it slows down people wot want to reach their exit or interchange quickly.MrsB said:
Oh Scott, how could you! I thought that if we had learned one thing in the last few weeks, it is that factual evidence has no value at all, and you should hang your head in shame at trying to convince someone to change their mind with reasoned arguments.Scott_P said:
Except that is not necessarily true, is it? I though the whole point of the experiment was to prove standing increases capacity.Mortimer said:That standing only escalator rule would annoy me rotten. Stupid to say it would be quicker for all if everyone stood still; it would be even quicker if everyone walked.
If everyone stands, every step can accommodate 2 people. If everyone is walking, each person takes up at least 2 steps, so you may have quarter of the capacity, even if each person moves faster0 -
How can Jacob support Gove? My God has feet of clay.Freggles said:
Imagine being at a party full of the people on Gove's list.rottenborough said:
May is just short I believe of automatic place - 110 IIRC.John_M said:
I'd leave to go for a KFC with the Moggster0 -
It's purely intellectual! He doesn't mean it!John_M said:
How can Jacob support Gove? My God has feet of clay.Freggles said:
Imagine being at a party full of the people on Gove's list.rottenborough said:
May is just short I believe of automatic place - 110 IIRC.John_M said:
I'd leave to go for a KFC with the Moggster0 -
Which, if configured correctly, support version control and backups - although to me backups should still really be on tape and kept offsite or in the safe. Too many people use consumer - level IT in business to save money. It doesn't, but you don't know that until the day something like this happens, where someone malicious with too much access can screw the organisation.RodCrosby said:
Let me guess. Dropbox or Google Drive?Sandpit said:
IT in these organisations never fails to amaze me. This is the sort of thing that gets an IT Director in the private sector a P45, yet no-one ever hears of anyone being sacked for such incompetence in public organisations.DanSmith said:
Do Labour not keep backups of the shared drive? Schoolboy error if they don't.RodCrosby said:'A senior Labour source, close to the embattled leader, said they had blocked Watson from talking privately to Corbyn because they have a “duty of care. They [Watson’s aides] want Watson to be on his own with Corbyn so that he can jab his finger at him,” the source said.
“We are not letting that happen. He’s a 70-year-old [sic] man. We have a duty of care … This is not a one-off. There is a culture of bullying. Maybe it’s a Blairite/Brownite thing.”'
[Also]
On Saturday night, Corbyn allies accused the parliamentary party of sabotaging Labour’s ability to hold the government to account.
One Labour source said those at the top of the party were livid when it emerged that files on a shared Labour party hard drive relating to the finance bill going through parliament had been deleted as the shadow finance secretary Rob Marris resigned.
An internal email seen by this newspaper said: “Unfortunately, it looks like someone from Rob Marris’s office has deleted the vast majority of the finance bill records and notes on each clause from the shared drive.”
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/jul/02/corbyn-keeps-watson-arms-length?CMP=twt_a-politics_b-gdnukpolitics0 -
I used to walk down the escalator at Holborn to get to the Piccadilly line in the mornings to speed up my journey to Imperial back in the late 90s/early 2000s, but in the evenings I nearly always decided to change at Mile End to get to the eastbound Central line. At Mile End you just cross the platformThreeQuidder said:
And works in most places. But Holborn isn't one of them, and switching from two stand two walk to three stand one walk is eminently sensible.Sunil_Prasannan said:
The present system is a compromise between those wanting to stand and those wanting to walk.ThreeQuidder said:
Only if every up escalator is standing only.Sunil_Prasannan said:
Standing may increase capacity, but it slows down people wot want to reach their exit or interchange quickly.MrsB said:
Oh Scott, how could you! I thought that if we had learned one thing in the last few weeks, it is that factual evidence has no value at all, and you should hang your head in shame at trying to convince someone to change their mind with reasoned arguments.Scott_P said:
Except that is not necessarily true, is it? I though the whole point of the experiment was to prove standing increases capacity.Mortimer said:That standing only escalator rule would annoy me rotten. Stupid to say it would be quicker for all if everyone stood still; it would be even quicker if everyone walked.
If everyone stands, every step can accommodate 2 people. If everyone is walking, each person takes up at least 2 steps, so you may have quarter of the capacity, even if each person moves faster
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May has been Home Secretary for a long time, and yet I (someone who's interested in politics) can't think of anything she's ever said. Nothing. Not a memorable sentence. She's hidden behind Cameron and the European courts on immigration/deportations. She's let him/them take the flack for 'tens of thousands' and the failed border policy. Bizarrely, the only other thing I know about her is that she likes 'kitten heals". Do me a favour. She's fucking useless.saddened said:
Regardless of his skills, in the 24 hour rolling news era, he is too reminiscent of Harry Enfield's Tory boy, he will be eviscerated by the press. Every TV appearance will see a loss in support.Blueberry said:It has to be Gove. He can talk properly. Moreover, he has vision and personifies the kind of society we should be. Theresa May, on the other hand, is just the kind of grey-suit, yes-man, we don't need. It would be tragic if someone so anonymous, so poor at communicating, was given the tiller simply because likes sitting in the middle of the boat.
Tories need to be brave. Now is the time to elect a "benign dictator" kind of person - someone who knows which way to go and can see further than others. Not some 'management consultant'. Four years is enough for Gove to show he's getting us into promising waters.0 -
Today had a chat with some fellow Tory activists, mostly of a Leaver persuasion.
Gove - No fecking chance, our Ed Miliband was one of the nicer descriptions and no desire to put Mrs Vine-Macbeth in No 10,
Crabb - Putting down a marker for a major cabinet job
Fox - Putting down a marker for a cabinet return
Leadsom - Like her but no time for a novice, but still time enough for her when Mrs May stands down
May - Heavyweight, experienced politician is needed in these times, only one that looks like a PM.0 -
Y'all can't connect classified networks to commercial services of that nature. That said, there are equivalent services available via the GCN (or whatever they call it now, I'm three years out of date).Sandpit said:
Which, if configured correctly, support version control and backups - although to me backups should still really be on tape and kept offsite or in the safe. Too many people use consumer - level IT in business to save money. It doesn't, but you don't know that until the day something like this happens, where someone malicious with too much access can screw the organisation.RodCrosby said:
Let me guess. Dropbox or Google Drive?Sandpit said:
IT in these organisations never fails to amaze me. This is the sort of thing that gets an IT Director in the private sector a P45, yet no-one ever hears of anyone being sacked for such incompetence in public organisations.DanSmith said:
Do Labour not keep backups of the shared drive? Schoolboy error if they don't.RodCrosby said:'A senior Labour source, close to the embattled leader, said they had blocked Watson from talking privately to Corbyn because they have a “duty of care. They [Watson’s aides] want Watson to be on his own with Corbyn so that he can jab his finger at him,” the source said.
“We are not letting that happen. He’s a 70-year-old [sic] man. We have a duty of care … This is not a one-off. There is a culture of bullying. Maybe it’s a Blairite/Brownite thing.”'
[Also]
On Saturday night, Corbyn allies accused the parliamentary party of sabotaging Labour’s ability to hold the government to account.
One Labour source said those at the top of the party were livid when it emerged that files on a shared Labour party hard drive relating to the finance bill going through parliament had been deleted as the shadow finance secretary Rob Marris resigned.
An internal email seen by this newspaper said: “Unfortunately, it looks like someone from Rob Marris’s office has deleted the vast majority of the finance bill records and notes on each clause from the shared drive.”
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/jul/02/corbyn-keeps-watson-arms-length?CMP=twt_a-politics_b-gdnukpolitics0 -
Nasty partyBlueberry said:
May has been Home Secretary for a long time, and yet I (someone who's interested in politics) can't think of anything she's ever said. Nothing. Not a memorable sentence. She's hidden behind Cameron and the European courts on immigration/deportations. She's let him/them take the flack for 'tens of thousands' and the failed border policy. Bizarrely, the only other thing I know about her is that she likes 'kitten heals". Do me a favour. She's fucking useless.saddened said:
Regardless of his skills, in the 24 hour rolling news era, he is too reminiscent of Harry Enfield's Tory boy, he will be eviscerated by the press. Every TV appearance will see a loss in support.Blueberry said:It has to be Gove. He can talk properly. Moreover, he has vision and personifies the kind of society we should be. Theresa May, on the other hand, is just the kind of grey-suit, yes-man, we don't need. It would be tragic if someone so anonymous, so poor at communicating, was given the tiller simply because likes sitting in the middle of the boat.
Tories need to be brave. Now is the time to elect a "benign dictator" kind of person - someone who knows which way to go and can see further than others. Not some 'management consultant'. Four years is enough for Gove to show he's getting us into promising waters.
Cant deport someone because they have a cat
Knacking the police
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TSE?Blueberry said:
Tories need to be brave. Now is the time to elect a "benign dictator" kind of person - someone who knows which way to go and can see further than others. 0 -
If the allegations against the MP are true, that is surely time for him to walk the plank...Sandpit said:
Which, if configured correctly, support version control and backups - although to me backups should still really be on tape and kept offsite or in the safe. Too many people use consumer - level IT in business to save money. It doesn't, but you don't know that until the day something like this happens, where someone malicious with too much access can screw the organisation.RodCrosby said:
Let me guess. Dropbox or Google Drive?Sandpit said:
IT in these organisations never fails to amaze me. This is the sort of thing that gets an IT Director in the private sector a P45, yet no-one ever hears of anyone being sacked for such incompetence in public organisations.DanSmith said:
Do Labour not keep backups of the shared drive? Schoolboy error if they don't.RodCrosby said:'A senior Labour source, close to the embattled leader, said they had blocked Watson from talking privately to Corbyn because they have a “duty of care. They [Watson’s aides] want Watson to be on his own with Corbyn so that he can jab his finger at him,” the source said.
“We are not letting that happen. He’s a 70-year-old [sic] man. We have a duty of care … This is not a one-off. There is a culture of bullying. Maybe it’s a Blairite/Brownite thing.”'
[Also]
On Saturday night, Corbyn allies accused the parliamentary party of sabotaging Labour’s ability to hold the government to account.
One Labour source said those at the top of the party were livid when it emerged that files on a shared Labour party hard drive relating to the finance bill going through parliament had been deleted as the shadow finance secretary Rob Marris resigned.
An internal email seen by this newspaper said: “Unfortunately, it looks like someone from Rob Marris’s office has deleted the vast majority of the finance bill records and notes on each clause from the shared drive.”
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/jul/02/corbyn-keeps-watson-arms-length?CMP=twt_a-politics_b-gdnukpolitics
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The Govester
My confidence in Boris Johnson evaporated after the vote for Brexit
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/opinion/2016/07/02/my-confidence-in-boris-johnson-evaporated-after-the-vote-for-bre/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter0 -
Sunil_Prasannan said:
I used to walk down the escalator at Holborn to get to the Piccadilly line in the mornings to speed up my journey to Imperial back in the late 90s/early 2000s, but in the evenings I nearly always decided to change at Mile End to get to the eastbound Central line. At Mile End you just cross the platformThreeQuidder said:
And works in most places. But Holborn isn't one of them, and switching from two stand two walk to three stand one walk is eminently sensible.Sunil_Prasannan said:
The present system is a compromise between those wanting to stand and those wanting to walk.ThreeQuidder said:
Only if every up escalator is standing only.Sunil_Prasannan said:
Standing may increase capacity, but it slows down people wot want to reach their exit or interchange quickly.MrsB said:
Oh Scott, how could you! I thought that if we had learned one thing in the last few weeks, it is that factual evidence has no value at all, and you should hang your head in shame at trying to convince someone to change their mind with reasoned arguments.Scott_P said:
Except that is not necessarily true, is it? I though the whole point of the experiment was to prove standing increases capacity.Mortimer said:That standing only escalator rule would annoy me rotten. Stupid to say it would be quicker for all if everyone stood still; it would be even quicker if everyone walked.
If everyone stands, every step can accommodate 2 people. If everyone is walking, each person takes up at least 2 steps, so you may have quarter of the capacity, even if each person moves faster
Avoid Baker street.
You can get into trouble.
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Hope they are a bit more reliable than the voters you were talking to at the Referendum!TheScreamingEagles said:Today had a chat with some fellow Tory activists, mostly of a Leaver persuasion.
Gove - No fecking chance, our Ed Miliband was one of the nicer descriptions and no desire to put Mrs Vine-Macbeth in No 10,
Crabb - Putting down a marker for a major cabinet job
Fox - Putting down a marker for a cabinet return
Leadsom - Like her but no time for a novice, but still time enough for her when Mrs May stands down
May - Heavyweight, experienced politician is needed in these times, only one that looks like a PM.0 -
Gove = Godzilla. Boris = Tokyo.TheScreamingEagles said:The Govester
My confidence in Boris Johnson evaporated after the vote for Brexit
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/opinion/2016/07/02/my-confidence-in-boris-johnson-evaporated-after-the-vote-for-bre/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter0 -
Is it just me, or do all telegraph links return 404 errors?TheScreamingEagles said:The Govester
My confidence in Boris Johnson evaporated after the vote for Brexit
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/opinion/2016/07/02/my-confidence-in-boris-johnson-evaporated-after-the-vote-for-bre/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter
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40 point leadTheScreamingEagles said:twitter.com/TSEofPB/status/749343956442419200
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Just youRobD said:
Is it just me, or do all telegraph links return 404 errors?TheScreamingEagles said:The Govester
My confidence in Boris Johnson evaporated after the vote for Brexit
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/opinion/2016/07/02/my-confidence-in-boris-johnson-evaporated-after-the-vote-for-bre/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter0 -
Restarting my browser fixed it!TheScreamingEagles said:
Just youRobD said:
Is it just me, or do all telegraph links return 404 errors?TheScreamingEagles said:The Govester
My confidence in Boris Johnson evaporated after the vote for Brexit
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/opinion/2016/07/02/my-confidence-in-boris-johnson-evaporated-after-the-vote-for-bre/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter0 -
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-36624413
When we talk about graduate's vs. Non graduates we are forgetting the skilled working classes who do apprenticeships. I wonder if when polls ask people did u do uni level study a lot of people automatically said no when in fact they have done higher apprenticeships they are then downweighted in terms of likelyhood to vote wrongly.
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I take your point on May, but she's the best of a bad lot.SeanT said:
Gove is so unelectable we risk a Corbyn Labour government. No. Just no.Blueberry said:
May has been Home Secretary for a long time, and yet I (someone who's interested in politics) can't think of anything she's ever said. Nothing. Not a memorable sentence. She's hidden behind Cameron and the European courts on immigration/deportations. She's let him/them take the flack for 'tens of thousands' and the failed border policy. Bizarrely, the only other thing I know about her is that she likes 'kitten heals". Do me a favour. She's fucking useless.saddened said:
Regardless of his skills, in the 24 hour rolling news era, he is too reminiscent of Harry Enfield's Tory boy, he will be eviscerated by the press. Every TV appearance will see a loss in support.Blueberry said:It has to be Gove. He can talk properly. Moreover, he has vision and personifies the kind of society we should be. Theresa May, on the other hand, is just the kind of grey-suit, yes-man, we don't need. It would be tragic if someone so anonymous, so poor at communicating, was given the tiller simply because likes sitting in the middle of the boat.
Tories need to be brave. Now is the time to elect a "benign dictator" kind of person - someone who knows which way to go and can see further than others. Not some 'management consultant'. Four years is enough for Gove to show he's getting us into promising waters.
Leadsom maybe, just maybe. But she is on record as saying there will be no Brexit recession. Hmm.
I take your point on May, but she's the best of a bad lot. Competence and dullness will be required, now. She can delegate as necessary.
Sad, but true.
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Gove = Godzilla. Boris = Tokyo.TheScreamingEagles said:The Govester
My confidence in Boris Johnson evaporated after the vote for Brexit
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/opinion/2016/07/02/my-confidence-in-boris-johnson-evaporated-after-the-vote-for-bre/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter
Boris = Death Star. Dave = Alderaan.0 -
This was the Labour Party, rather than gov classified stuff. Modern "Cloud" services can have their advantages, but too many people think that they don't need managing because they're not physical devices on the organisation's network. They need just as much management as physical file servers in reality, including things like backups, versioning, user accounts, logging etc. Anyway, this isn't ITmanagementbetting.comJohn_M said:
Y'all can't connect classified networks to commercial services of that nature. That said, there are equivalent services available via the GCN (or whatever they call it now, I'm three years out of date).Sandpit said:
Which, if configured correctly, support version control and backups - although to me backups should still really be on tape and kept offsite or in the safe. Too many people use consumer - level IT in business to save money. It doesn't, but you don't know that until the day something like this happens, where someone malicious with too much access can screw the organisation.RodCrosby said:
Let me guess. Dropbox or Google Drive?Sandpit said:
IT in these organisations never fails to amaze me. This is the sort of thing that gets an IT Director in the private sector a P45, yet no-one ever hears of anyone being sacked for such incompetence in public organisations.DanSmith said:
Do Labour not keep backups of the shared drive? Schoolboy error if they don't.RodCrosby said:'A senior Labour source, close to the embattled leader, said they had blocked Watson from talking privately to Corbyn because they have a “duty of care. They [Watson’s aides] want Watson to be on his own with Corbyn so that he can jab his finger at him,” the source said.
“We are not letting that happen. He’s a 70-year-old [sic] man. We have a duty of care … This is not a one-off. There is a culture of bullying. Maybe it’s a Blairite/Brownite thing.”'
[Also]
On Saturday night, Corbyn allies accused the parliamentary party of sabotaging Labour’s ability to hold the government to account.
One Labour source said those at the top of the party were livid when it emerged that files on a shared Labour party hard drive relating to the finance bill going through parliament had been deleted as the shadow finance secretary Rob Marris resigned.
An internal email seen by this newspaper said: “Unfortunately, it looks like someone from Rob Marris’s office has deleted the vast majority of the finance bill records and notes on each clause from the shared drive.”
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/jul/02/corbyn-keeps-watson-arms-length?CMP=twt_a-politics_b-gdnukpolitics
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Banks flooding into London. Still:
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Supposedly she has a reputation for micro management. That won't work in No 10....SeanT said:
Gove is so unelectable we risk a Corbyn Labour government. No. Just no.Blueberry said:
May has been Home Secretary for a long time, and yet I (someone who's interested in politics) can't think of anything she's ever said. Nothing. Not a memorable sentence. She's hidden behind Cameron and the European courts on immigration/deportations. She's let him/them take the flack for 'tens of thousands' and the failed border policy. Bizarrely, the only other thing I know about her is that she likes 'kitten heals". Do me a favour. She's fucking useless.saddened said:
Regardless of his skills, in the 24 hour rolling news era, he is too reminiscent of Harry Enfield's Tory boy, he will be eviscerated by the press. Every TV appearance will see a loss in support.Blueberry said:It has to be Gove. He can talk properly. Moreover, he has vision and personifies the kind of society we should be. Theresa May, on the other hand, is just the kind of grey-suit, yes-man, we don't need. It would be tragic if someone so anonymous, so poor at communicating, was given the tiller simply because likes sitting in the middle of the boat.
Tories need to be brave. Now is the time to elect a "benign dictator" kind of person - someone who knows which way to go and can see further than others. Not some 'management consultant'. Four years is enough for Gove to show he's getting us into promising waters.
Leadsom maybe, just maybe. But she is on record as saying there will be no Brexit recession. Hmm.
I take your point on May, but she's the best of a bad lot. Competence and dullness will be required, now. She can delegate as necessary.
Rather like your guardian page of clueless journalists....0 -
What's going on in Australia? Totals seemed to have changed again to 67 each:
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Or Andrew Cooper's polling...MarqueeMark said:
Hope they are a bit more reliable than the voters you were talking to at the Referendum!TheScreamingEagles said:Today had a chat with some fellow Tory activists, mostly of a Leaver persuasion.
Gove - No fecking chance, our Ed Miliband was one of the nicer descriptions and no desire to put Mrs Vine-Macbeth in No 10,
Crabb - Putting down a marker for a major cabinet job
Fox - Putting down a marker for a cabinet return
Leadsom - Like her but no time for a novice, but still time enough for her when Mrs May stands down
May - Heavyweight, experienced politician is needed in these times, only one that looks like a PM.0 -
Its ok if you change from the Metropolitan to Bakerloo, just not vice versa.MarkHopkins said:Sunil_Prasannan said:
I used to walk down the escalator at Holborn to get to the Piccadilly line in the mornings to speed up my journey to Imperial back in the late 90s/early 2000s, but in the evenings I nearly always decided to change at Mile End to get to the eastbound Central line. At Mile End you just cross the platformThreeQuidder said:
And works in most places. But Holborn isn't one of them, and switching from two stand two walk to three stand one walk is eminently sensible.Sunil_Prasannan said:
The present system is a compromise between those wanting to stand and those wanting to walk.ThreeQuidder said:
Only if every up escalator is standing only.Sunil_Prasannan said:
Standing may increase capacity, but it slows down people wot want to reach their exit or interchange quickly.MrsB said:
Oh Scott, how could you! I thought that if we had learned one thing in the last few weeks, it is that factual evidence has no value at all, and you should hang your head in shame at trying to convince someone to change their mind with reasoned arguments.Scott_P said:
Except that is not necessarily true, is it? I though the whole point of the experiment was to prove standing increases capacity.Mortimer said:That standing only escalator rule would annoy me rotten. Stupid to say it would be quicker for all if everyone stood still; it would be even quicker if everyone walked.
If everyone stands, every step can accommodate 2 people. If everyone is walking, each person takes up at least 2 steps, so you may have quarter of the capacity, even if each person moves faster
Avoid Baker street.
You can get into trouble.0 -
The morning thread has the following analogyJohn_M said:
Gove = Godzilla. Boris = Tokyo.TheScreamingEagles said:The Govester
My confidence in Boris Johnson evaporated after the vote for Brexit
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/opinion/2016/07/02/my-confidence-in-boris-johnson-evaporated-after-the-vote-for-bre/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter
Boris = Cheerleader
Gove = American football team
Tory leadership contest = niche movie available on hotel pay per view channels0 -
If their log files are as good as their backups, they probably don't have a clue who *actually* deleted everything.RodCrosby said:
If the allegations against the MP are true, that is surely time for him to walk the plank...Sandpit said:
Which, if configured correctly, support version control and backups - although to me backups should still really be on tape and kept offsite or in the safe. Too many people use consumer - level IT in business to save money. It doesn't, but you don't know that until the day something like this happens, where someone malicious with too much access can screw the organisation.RodCrosby said:
Let me guess. Dropbox or Google Drive?Sandpit said:
IT in these organisations never fails to amaze me. This is the sort of thing that gets an IT Director in the private sector a P45, yet no-one ever hears of anyone being sacked for such incompetence in public organisations.DanSmith said:
Do Labour not keep backups of the shared drive? Schoolboy error if they don't.RodCrosby said:'A senior Labour source, close to the embattled leader, said they had blocked Watson from talking privately to Corbyn because they have a “duty of care. They [Watson’s aides] want Watson to be on his own with Corbyn so that he can jab his finger at him,” the source said.
“We are not letting that happen. He’s a 70-year-old [sic] man. We have a duty of care … This is not a one-off. There is a culture of bullying. Maybe it’s a Blairite/Brownite thing.”'
[Also]
On Saturday night, Corbyn allies accused the parliamentary party of sabotaging Labour’s ability to hold the government to account.
One Labour source said those at the top of the party were livid when it emerged that files on a shared Labour party hard drive relating to the finance bill going through parliament had been deleted as the shadow finance secretary Rob Marris resigned.
An internal email seen by this newspaper said: “Unfortunately, it looks like someone from Rob Marris’s office has deleted the vast majority of the finance bill records and notes on each clause from the shared drive.”
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/jul/02/corbyn-keeps-watson-arms-length?CMP=twt_a-politics_b-gdnukpolitics
ttps://twitter.com/LiamTheBrewer/status/749343247886057472
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Just an accident. If Netanyahu excoriates him, I'll reconsider. Trump has had a lot of favourable coverage in Israel’s most widely read newspaper, Israel HaYom, owned by his fellow billionaire - and fellow casino owner - Sheldon Adelson. A lot of what Trump says against Muslims could have been scripted by Melanie Phillips, who has written that "Donald Trump's attackers are the real fascists".rcs1000 said:Not content with pissing off Hispanics, Muslims and women, Trump is seeking to lose the Jewish vote:
(snip)
This Politico article is worth a look. The line "After a Barack, you always need a strong man” is very clever!
Trump's daughter Ivanka converted to Judaism.
The organisation to watch on the whole issue is the Anti-Defamation League. So far, they have criticised some of Trump's sayings, but it looks like a complicated game, or tweaking, or something. If they wanted to give him a bloody nose, they would. At the moment they're saying he's being too nasty to Muslims. Funny how they don't say the same about Melanie Phillips, who supports Trump's call for the authorities to consider all Muslims to be a threat and to hassle them accordingly, a policy marketed as "profiling". Meanwhile the American Jewish Committee opposed Trump's proposal to create a registry of all Muslims in the US. What is remarkable is that Trump hasn't hit back explicitly.
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I did a minor essay on this earlier. It's easy to forget that university used to be an uncommon option in this country. Attendance was 3% in 1950, 7% in 1970, and it was still less than 20% in the '90s.nunu said:http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-36624413
When we talk about graduate's vs. Non graduates we are forgetting the skilled working classes who do apprenticeships. I wonder if when polls ask people did u do uni level study a lot of people automatically said no when in fact they have done higher apprenticeships they are then downweighted in terms of likelyhood to vote wrongly.
I know they set out all the options but people don't have time to think about their answers for opinion polls.
Older people are therefore less likely to have degrees simply because fewer people needed degrees to get on. Unless one argues that later generations have magically become cleverer, all we can say is young people are better qualified, but not necessarily more intelligent.0 -
When the facts change...SeanT said:0 -
Yeah but the shoppers have never been more sovereign
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Good to see the Mail stick to boot into Gove and clearing the way for May by digging up dirt on Leadsom, all's fair in love and war etc...0
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Boris couldn't find a pyramid of people to get him to the top, while Gove prances on the field?TheScreamingEagles said:
The morning thread has the following analogyJohn_M said:
Gove = Godzilla. Boris = Tokyo.TheScreamingEagles said:The Govester
My confidence in Boris Johnson evaporated after the vote for Brexit
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/opinion/2016/07/02/my-confidence-in-boris-johnson-evaporated-after-the-vote-for-bre/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter
Boris = Cheerleader
Gove = American football team
Tory leadership contest = niche movie available on hotel pay per view channels0 -
We haven't actually heard what she actually said.SeanT said:
She was working on drafts for EU reform since 2010. Perhaps when she said that she thought they had a chance then, like me, changed her mind when Cameron got back with his piece of paper?0 -
Except, her coy positioning won't fool the EU. She's not going to go full on Leave. They know that just as they knew Cameron would not recommend Leave. She is going to have to subcontract the negotiations to a pack including some red in tooth and claw Leavers. And say she will accept what they negotiate.SeanT said:
What encourages me about May (in a dull way) is the clever way she played the politics of REMAIN. She managed to stay on Cameron's side during the campaign, while giving enough signals to LEAVE (her EUCHR stuff) that she is still acceptable to OUT.MarkHopkins said:
I take your point on May, but she's the best of a bad lot.SeanT said:
Gove is so unelectable we risk a Corbyn Labour government. No. Just no.Blueberry said:
May has been Home Secretary for a long time, and yet I (someone who's interested in politics) can't think of anything she's ever said. Nothing. Not a memorable sentence. She's hidden behind Cameron and the European courts on immigration/deportations. She's let him/them take the flack for 'tens of thousands' and the failed border policy. Bizarrely, the only other thing I know about her is that she likes 'kitten heals". Do me a favour. She's fucking useless.saddened said:
Regardless of his skills, in the 24 hour rolling news era, he is too reminiscent of Harry Enfield's Tory boy, he will be eviscerated by the press. Every TV appearance will see a loss in support.Blueberry said:It has to be Gove. He can talk properly. Moreover, he has vision and personifies the kind of society we should be. Theresa May, on the other hand, is just the kind of grey-suit, yes-man, we don't need. It would be tragic if someone so anonymous, so poor at communicating, was given the tiller simply because likes sitting in the middle of the boat.
Tories need to be brave. Now is the time to elect a "benign dictator" kind of person - someone who knows which way to go and can see further than others. Not some 'management consultant'. Four years is enough for Gove to show he's getting us into promising waters.
Leadsom maybe, just maybe. But she is on record as saying there will be no Brexit recession. Hmm.
I take your point on May, but she's the best of a bad lot. Competence and dullness will be required, now. She can delegate as necessary.
Sad, but true.
This was adroit, and cunning. And we know this, because other Tory ministers with leadership hopes totally failed to do the same. She has out-maneuvered them all.
So she's politically smart and clearly quite ruthless. That's what we need now, when dealing with the EU.0 -
Great news. We need to stop spending money we don't have on tat.TheScreamingEagles said:Yeah but the shoppers have never been more sovereign
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It means the Coalition are getting hammered on second preferences and Labor could end up forming the next government.AndyJS said:What's going on in Australia? Totals seemed to have changed again to 67 each:
http://www.abc.net.au/news/federal-election-2016/0 -
For me, May's disadvantages are that she's not very clubbable, doesn't really do networking and she's merely avoided disaster at the Home Office. However, I think she'll keep things calm and controlled and looks the part. Would rather have had Cameron of courseeek said:
Supposedly she has a reputation for micro management. That won't work in No 10....SeanT said:
Gove is so unelectable we risk a Corbyn Labour government. No. Just no.Blueberry said:
May has been Home Secretary for a long time, and yet I (someone who's interested in politics) can't think of anything she's ever said. Nothing. Not a memorable sentence. She's hidden behind Cameron and the European courts on immigration/deportations. She's let him/them take the flack for 'tens of thousands' and the failed border policy. Bizarrely, the only other thing I know about her is that she likes 'kitten heals". Do me a favour. She's fucking useless.saddened said:
Regardless of his skills, in the 24 hour rolling news era, he is too reminiscent of Harry Enfield's Tory boy, he will be eviscerated by the press. Every TV appearance will see a loss in support.Blueberry said:It has to be Gove. He can talk properly. Moreover, he has vision and personifies the kind of society we should be. Theresa May, on the other hand, is just the kind of grey-suit, yes-man, we don't need. It would be tragic if someone so anonymous, so poor at communicating, was given the tiller simply because likes sitting in the middle of the boat.
Tories need to be brave. Now is the time to elect a "benign dictator" kind of person - someone who knows which way to go and can see further than others. Not some 'management consultant'. Four years is enough for Gove to show he's getting us into promising waters.
Leadsom maybe, just maybe. But she is on record as saying there will be no Brexit recession. Hmm.
I take your point on May, but she's the best of a bad lot. Competence and dullness will be required, now. She can delegate as necessary.
Rather like your guardian page of clueless journalists.... 0 -
Boris Does Dallas?TheScreamingEagles said:
The morning thread has the following analogyJohn_M said:
Gove = Godzilla. Boris = Tokyo.TheScreamingEagles said:The Govester
My confidence in Boris Johnson evaporated after the vote for Brexit
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/opinion/2016/07/02/my-confidence-in-boris-johnson-evaporated-after-the-vote-for-bre/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter
Boris = Cheerleader
Gove = American football team
Tory leadership contest = niche movie available on hotel pay per view channels0 -
So the predictions earlier of at least 74 Coalition seats were a bit off...Lowlander said:
It means the Coalition are getting hammered on second preferences and Labor could end up forming the next government.AndyJS said:What's going on in Australia? Totals seemed to have changed again to 67 each:
http://www.abc.net.au/news/federal-election-2016/0 -
So the Mail are doing to Leadsom and Gove what the DT tried to do to May?
So much for a clean and positive campaign, that had so much promise after some great speeches in the week. Do the members (and the general public) really want to see this briefing and counter briefing, hatchet jobs on opponents by friendly hacks, or would they rather laugh at Labour for that kind of behaviour?0 -
Nah, the headline is 'Gove Changes Everything'MarqueeMark said:
Boris Does Dallas?TheScreamingEagles said:
The morning thread has the following analogyJohn_M said:
Gove = Godzilla. Boris = Tokyo.TheScreamingEagles said:The Govester
My confidence in Boris Johnson evaporated after the vote for Brexit
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/opinion/2016/07/02/my-confidence-in-boris-johnson-evaporated-after-the-vote-for-bre/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter
Boris = Cheerleader
Gove = American football team
Tory leadership contest = niche movie available on hotel pay per view channels0 -
While that's true, the last time our savings rate moved up sharply was 1989-1992, which was pretty horrible for a lot of people.tlg86 said:
Great news. We need to stop spending money we don't have on tat.TheScreamingEagles said:Yeah but the shoppers have never been more sovereign
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Especially European tat. Even after the football has finished and the weather picks up.tlg86 said:
Great news. We need to stop spending money we don't have on tat.TheScreamingEagles said:Yeah but the shoppers have never been more sovereign
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I'd love to know why the Mail hate Leadsom so much. Hopefully she won't take any notice of it.Sandpit said:So the Mail are doing to Leadsom and Gove what the DT tried to do to May?
So much for a clean and positive campaign, that had so much promise after some great speeches in the week. Do the members (and the general public) really want to see this briefing and counter briefing, hatchet jobs on opponents by friendly hacks, or would they rather laugh at Labour for that kind of behaviour?0 -
Indeed. I'm waiting to hear what she said and the context in which she said it... Might just be an MoS "hatchet job"...BenedictWhite said:
We haven't actually heard what she actually said.SeanT said:
She was working on drafts for EU reform since 2010. Perhaps when she said that she thought they had a chance then, like me, changed her mind when Cameron got back with his piece of paper?0 -
Actually not great news. It's OK to admit that it's all been a bit of a shock.tlg86 said:
Great news. We need to stop spending money we don't have on tat.TheScreamingEagles said:Yeah but the shoppers have never been more sovereign
https://twitter.com/hendopolis/status/749346225158324224
I haven't really felt like splurging myself, particularly over the first few days. Mind you, I generally do almost all my shopping online. I'm a consumer ninja.0 -
Why would removing the wool from one's eyes finish off one's leadership aspirations?BenedictWhite said:
We haven't actually heard what she actually said.SeanT said:
She was working on drafts for EU reform since 2010. Perhaps when she said that she thought they had a chance then, like me, changed her mind when Cameron got back with his piece of paper?
If we are to preclude anyone as leader of our nation who has actually learnt something within, say, the last 5 years that led them to change their minds, then we are virtually saying we want a leader who is a know-nothing bigot.
I want our leadership to be constantly learning from a changing environment, and adapting to new realities as they arise. Adaptation means taking new positions if the old ones are no longer appropriate.0 -
That's easy (provided you do it early)... We need to move to a contribution based Benefits scheme and now is the perfect time to do it. They just need to find a simple explanation ....SeanT said:
The country doesn't want full-on LEAVE. 48.2% voted REMAIN. It was not a landslide. Nowhere near. It was a very slender majority for OUTMarqueeMark said:
Except, her coy positioning won't fool the EU. She's not going to go full on Leave. They know that just as they knew Cameron would not recommend Leave. She is going to have to subcontract the negotiations to a pack including some red in tooth and claw Leavers. And say she will accept what they negotiate.SeanT said:
Whatlearly quite ruthless. That's what we need now, when dealing with the EU.MarkHopkins said:
I take your point on May, but she's the best of a bad lot.SeanT said:
Gove is so unelectable we risk a Corbyn Labour government. No. Just no.Blueberry said:
Mais the time to elect a "benign dictator" kind of person - someone who knows which way to go and can see further than others. Not some 'management consultant'. Four years is enough for Gove to show he's getting us into promising waters.saddened said:
Regardless of his skills, in the 24 hour rolling news era, he is too reminiscent of Harry Enfield's Tory boy, he will be eviscerated by the press. Every TV appearance will see a loss in support.Blueberry said:It has to be Gove. He can talk properly. Moreover, he has vision and personifies the kind of society we should be. Theresa May, on the other hand, is just the kind of grey-suit, yes-man, we don't need. It would be tragic if someone so anonymous, so poor at communicating, was given the tiller simply because likes sitting in the middle of the boat.
Leadsom maybe, just maybe. But she is on record as saying there will be no Brexit recession. Hmm.
I take your point on May, but she's the best of a bad lot. Competence and dullness will be required, now. She can delegate as necessary.
Sad, but true.
A skilful politician (and let's hope May is that, as she looks likely to be PM) will take account of this and steer us to some kind of EEA arrangement, where REMAINERS get the consolation of the EU Single Market, plus all those pan-European science/education programmes which everyone likes. And at the same time LEAVERS know we have LEFT.
The breaking point is going to be Free Movement. Of course. Somehow May has to square that fiendish circle. Good luck to her.0 -
It is looking like the top job comes with a celebratory glass of hemlock fizz....SeanT said:
The country doesn't want full-on LEAVE. 48.2% voted REMAIN. It was not a landslide. Nowhere near. It was a very slender majority for OUTMarqueeMark said:
Except, her coy positioning won't fool the EU. She's not going to go full on Leave. They know that just as they knew Cameron would not recommend Leave. She is going to have to subcontract the negotiations to a pack including some red in tooth and claw Leavers. And say she will accept what they negotiate.SeanT said:
Whatlearly quite ruthless. That's what we need now, when dealing with the EU.MarkHopkins said:
I take your point on May, but she's the best of a bad lot.SeanT said:
Gove is so unelectable we risk a Corbyn Labour government. No. Just no.Blueberry said:
Mais the time to elect a "benign dictator" kind of person - someone who knows which way to go and can see further than others. Not some 'management consultant'. Four years is enough for Gove to show he's getting us into promising waters.saddened said:
Regardless of his skills, in the 24 hour rolling news era, he is too reminiscent of Harry Enfield's Tory boy, he will be eviscerated by the press. Every TV appearance will see a loss in support.Blueberry said:It has to be Gove. He can talk properly. Moreover, he has vision and personifies the kind of society we should be. Theresa May, on the other hand, is just the kind of grey-suit, yes-man, we don't need. It would be tragic if someone so anonymous, so poor at communicating, was given the tiller simply because likes sitting in the middle of the boat.
Leadsom maybe, just maybe. But she is on record as saying there will be no Brexit recession. Hmm.
I take your point on May, but she's the best of a bad lot. Competence and dullness will be required, now. She can delegate as necessary.
Sad, but true.
A skilful politician (and let's hope May is that, as she looks likely to be PM) will take account of this and steer us to some kind of EEA arrangement, where REMAINERS get the consolation of the EU Single Market, plus all those pan-European science/education programmes which everyone likes. And at the same time LEAVERS know we have LEFT.
The breaking point is going to be Free Movement. Of course. Somehow May has to square that fiendish circle. Good luck to her.0 -
They're based on a combination óf sample counts óf second preferences at booths, predictions of second preference switches based on prior elections and polling and stated preferences by candidates on who they want their supporters to switch to,AndyJS said:
So the predictions earlier of at least 74 Coalition seats were a bit off...Lowlander said:
It means the Coalition are getting hammered on second preferences and Labor could end up forming the next government.AndyJS said:What's going on in Australia? Totals seemed to have changed again to 67 each:
http://www.abc.net.au/news/federal-election-2016/
So there's three factors, any of which could be wrong. But watching the ABC broadcast earlier today it was clear that an expected Liberal win was slipping away from them.0 -
nothing to do with it being so flaming wettlg86 said:
Great news. We need to stop spending money we don't have on tat.TheScreamingEagles said:Yeah but the shoppers have never been more sovereign
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Mail on Sunday, very different form Daily Mail with different editor. MoS heavily backed Remain whereas DM heavily backed Leave. No, I don't understand why either!AndyJS said:
I'd love to know why the Mail hate Leadsom so much. Hopefully she won't take any notice of it.Sandpit said:So the Mail are doing to Leadsom and Gove what the DT tried to do to May?
So much for a clean and positive campaign, that had so much promise after some great speeches in the week. Do the members (and the general public) really want to see this briefing and counter briefing, hatchet jobs on opponents by friendly hacks, or would they rather laugh at Labour for that kind of behaviour?0 -
In my day that was going to be the IL3 network that ran on top of the GCN. Having spent tooooo much of my life dancing around the tarbaby of government networks, I'm grateful to be well out of it nowScott_P said:
PSN is the new versionJohn_M said:That said, there are equivalent services available via the GCN (or whatever they call it now, I'm three years out of date).
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Or perhaps Susana Martinez, governor of New Mexico, who is both a woman and Hispanic.nunu said:The chances if Trump picking a black VP but with same outlook as him must be pretty high.
Sarah Palin is unlikely. She is known for losing in 2008 and her background is Alaska, which Trump has got in the bag (14% Rep maj), unlike New Mexico, which is almost ideally placed as a target (10% Dem maj). Martinez would be a better pick than Rick Scott from Florida (1% Dem). Mary Fallin from Oklahoma is unlikely. Newt Gingrich at 73 is too old.
I suspect the Trump campaign aim regarding black voters is for them to stay at home, maybe firing up white rednecks all the more as Clinton tries to achieve the opposite.
As H L Mencken put it, "Nobody ever went broke underestimating the intelligence of the American public."0 -
Another mistake by the chattering classes: they said Malcolm Turnbull would be more popular with Australian voters than Tony Abbott. Turns out not to be the case.0
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Gove can defeat the public sector/Blob/BBC - he's clever and articulate enough to do it - and to show the blue collars and the working class that he's doing it.SeanT said:
Gove is so unelectable we risk a Corbyn Labour government. No. Just no.Blueberry said:
May has been Home Secretary for a long time, and yet I (someone who's interested in politics) can't think of anything she's ever said. Nothing. Not a memorable sentence. She's hidden behind Cameron and the European courts on immigration/deportations. She's let him/them take the flack for 'tens of thousands' and the failed border policy. Bizarrely, the only other thing I know about her is that she likes 'kitten heals". Do me a favour. She's fucking useless.saddened said:
Regardless of his skills, in the 24 hour rolling news era, he is too reminiscent of Harry Enfield's Tory boy, he will be eviscerated by the press. Every TV appearance will see a loss in support.Blueberry said:It has to be Gove. He can talk properly. Moreover, he has vision and personifies the kind of society we should be. Theresa May, on the other hand, is just the kind of grey-suit, yes-man, we don't need. It would be tragic if someone so anonymous, so poor at communicating, was given the tiller simply because likes sitting in the middle of the boat.
Tories need to be brave. Now is the time to elect a "benign dictator" kind of person - someone who knows which way to go and can see further than others. Not some 'management consultant'. Four years is enough for Gove to show he's getting us into promising waters.
Leadsom maybe, just maybe. But she is on record as saying there will be no Brexit recession. Hmm.
I take your point on May, but she's the best of a bad lot. Competence and dullness will be required, now. She can delegate as necessary.
The middle class kids will scream and shout, but if Gove can nail immigration too - just fking do something about it, actually make the numbers come down, and take the shit for it - there are 10m+ in that.0 -
The ONS will almost certainly cite the rubbish weather in the Q2 GDP stats release.marke09 said:
nothing to do with it being so flaming wettlg86 said:
Great news. We need to stop spending money we don't have on tat.TheScreamingEagles said:Yeah but the shoppers have never been more sovereign
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We don't need to be a member of the EU to take part in ERASMUS education exchangesSeanT said:plus all those pan-European science/education programmes which everyone likes.
We don't need to be a member of the EU to take part in the ESA (so Major Tim can still return to space!)
We don't need to be a member of the EU to take part in CERN (so more hadrons can be collided!)
We don't need to be a member of the EU to take part in Eurovision (even though we come last or second last in recent years!)
We don't need to be a member of the EU to take part in European football (until we lose in the knock-out stages, natch!).0 -
I just want to have some balance. If Leavers go full Panglossian every time there's a bit of bad news, before you know it it's Comical Ali all over again.SeanT said:
I have felt the same reluctance to spend. It's natural. Anxiety and risk makes everyone cautious. This is why it is essential we move to some smoother path, with calm and nice reassurances, very very very soon. Single Market guaranteed, at least.John_M said:
Actually not great news. It's OK to admit that it's all been a bit of a shock. I haven't really felt like splurging myself, particularly over the first few days. Mind you, I generally do almost all my shopping online.tlg86 said:
Great news. We need to stop spending money we don't have on tat.TheScreamingEagles said:Yeah but the shoppers have never been more sovereign
https://twitter.com/hendopolis/status/749346225158324224
We do not have the time to fuck about. We really don't.
LEAVERS should want this as much as REMIANIACS. If the economy totally falls off a cliff before we push the button on A50, then we probably won't ever LEAVE.
The country has decided to end a 43 year old marriage that, even though loveless for the most part, is all we've ever known.
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Yes good lucck to the person who presided over record net migration whilst failing to bring down NON E.U migration.SeanT said:
The country doesn't want full-on LEAVE. 48.2% voted REMAIN. It was not a landslide. Nowhere near. It was a very slender majority for OUTMarqueeMark said:
Except, her coy positioning won't fool the EU. She's not going to go full on Leave. They know that just as they knew Cameron would not recommend Leave. She is going to have to subcontract the negotiations to a pack including some red in tooth and claw Leavers. And say she will accept what they negotiate.SeanT said:
Whatlearly quite ruthless. That's what we need now, when dealing with the EU.MarkHopkins said:
I take your point on May, but she's the best of a bad lot.SeanT said:
Gove is so unelectable we risk a Corbyn Labour government. No. Just no.Blueberry said:
Mais the time to elect a "benign dictator" kind of person - someone who knows which way to go and can see further than others. Not some 'management consultant'. Four years is enough for Gove to show he's getting us into promising waters.saddened said:
Regardless of his skills, in the 24 hour rolling news era, he is too reminiscent of Harry Enfield's Tory boy, he will be eviscerated by the press. Every TV appearance will see a loss in support.Blueberry said:It has to be Gove. He can talk properly. Moreover, he has vision and personifies the kind of society we should be. Theresa May, on the other hand, is just the kind of grey-suit, yes-man, we don't need. It would be tragic if someone so anonymous, so poor at communicating, was given the tiller simply because likes sitting in the middle of the boat.
Leadsom maybe, just maybe. But she is on record as saying there will be no Brexit recession. Hmm.
I take your point on May, but she's the best of a bad lot. Competence and dullness will be required, now. She can delegate as necessary.
Sad, but true.
A skilful politician (and let's hope May is that, as she looks likely to be PM) will take account of this and steer us to some kind of EEA arrangement, where REMAINERS get the consolation of the EU Single Market, plus all those pan-European science/education programmes which everyone likes. And at the same time LEAVERS know we have LEFT.
The breaking point is going to be Free Movement. Of course. Somehow May has to square that fiendish circle. Good luck to her.0 -
Time to calm down : "kitten heals ?Blueberry said:
May has been Home Secretary for a long time, and yet I (someone who's interested in politics) can't think of anything she's ever said. Nothing. Not a memorable sentence. She's hidden behind Cameron and the European courts on immigration/deportations. She's let him/them take the flack for 'tens of thousands' and the failed border policy. Bizarrely, the only other thing I know about her is that she likes 'kitten heals". Do me a favour. She's fucking useless.saddened said:
Regardless of his skills, in the 24 hour rolling news era, he is too reminiscent of Harry Enfield's Tory boy, he will be eviscerated by the press. Every TV appearance will see a loss in support.Blueberry said:It has to be Gove. He can talk properly. Moreover, he has vision and personifies the kind of society we should be. Theresa May, on the other hand, is just the kind of grey-suit, yes-man, we don't need. It would be tragic if someone so anonymous, so poor at communicating, was given the tiller simply because likes sitting in the middle of the boat.
Tories need to be brave. Now is the time to elect a "benign dictator" kind of person - someone who knows which way to go and can see further than others. Not some 'management consultant'. Four years is enough for Gove to show he's getting us into promising waters.
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One can understand why so many exceptionally talented people no longer think of politics as a worthwhile vocation, given the media environment where everything one has ever said or done is turned upside down and taken out of context on the front pages.MTimT said:
Why would removing the wool from one's eyes finish off one's leadership aspirations?BenedictWhite said:
We haven't actually heard what she actually said.SeanT said:
She was working on drafts for EU reform since 2010. Perhaps when she said that she thought they had a chance then, like me, changed her mind when Cameron got back with his piece of paper?
If we are to preclude anyone as leader of our nation who has actually learnt something within, say, the last 5 years that led them to change their minds, then we are virtually saying we want a leader who is a know-nothing bigot.
I want our leadership to be constantly learning from a changing environment, and adapting to new realities as they arise. Adaptation means taking new positions if the old ones are no longer appropriate.
It can only get worse as the next generation have been documenting their every thought and action online in public since they were teenagers. Raucous university dinner parties won't be written about in books in 20 years' time, there will be videos online of our future leaders, for us all to watch.0 -
Gove never does anything really - except annoy people. What has he achieved? Nothing.Blueberry said:
Gove can defeat the public sector/Blob/BBC - he's clever and articulate enough to do it - and to show the blue collars and the working class that he's doing it. The middle class kids will scream and shout, but if Gove can nail immigration too - just fking do something about it, actually make the numbers come down, and take the shit for it - there are 10m+ in that.SeanT said:
Gove is so unelectable we risk a Corbyn Labour government. No. Just no.Blueberry said:
May has been Home Secretary for a long time, and yet I (someone who's interested in politics) can't think of anything she's ever said. Nothing. Not a memorable sentence. She's hidden behind Cameron and the European courts on immigration/deportations. She's let him/them take the flack for 'tens of thousands' and the failed border policy. Bizarrely, the only other thing I know about her is that she likes 'kitten heals". Do me a favour. She's fucking useless.saddened said:
Regardless of his skills, in the 24 hour rolling news era, he is too reminiscent of Harry Enfield's Tory boy, he will be eviscerated by the press. Every TV appearance will see a loss in support.
Tories need to be brave. Now is the time to elect a "benign dictator" kind of person - someone who knows which way to go and can see further than others. Not some 'management consultant'. Four years is enough for Gove to show he's getting us into promising waters.
Leadsom maybe, just maybe. But she is on record as saying there will be no Brexit recession. Hmm. I take your point on May, but she's the best of a bad lot. Competence and dullness will be required, now. She can delegate as necessary.0 -
1.07 for Democratic nominee, looks big if you buy this:
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Yes good luck to her. Non EU migrants are by definition points based so of a good calibre presumably.nunu said:
Yes good lucck to the person who presided over record net migration whilst failing to bring down NON E.U migration.SeanT said:
The country doesn't want full-on LEAVE. 48.2% voted REMAIN. It was not a landslide. Nowhere near. It was a very slender majority for OUTMarqueeMark said:
Except, her coy positioning won't fool the EU. She's not going to go full on Leave. They know that just as they knew Cameron would not recommend Leave. She is going to have to subcontract the negotiations to a pack including some red in tooth and claw Leavers. And say she will accept what they negotiate.SeanT said:
Whatlearly quite ruthless. That's what we need now, when dealing with the EU.MarkHopkins said:
I take your point on May, but she's the best of a bad lot.SeanT said:
Gove is so unelectable we risk a Corbyn Labour government. No. Just no.Blueberry said:
Mais the time to elect a "benign dictator" kind of person - someone who knows which way to go and can see further than others. Not some 'management consultant'. Four years is enough for Gove to show he's getting us into promising waters.saddened said:
Regardless of his skills, in the 24 hour rolling news era, he is too reminiscent of Harry Enfield's Tory boy, he will be eviscerated by the press. Every TV appearance will see a loss in support.Blueberry said:It has to be Gove. He can talk properly. Moreover, he has vision and personifies the kind of society we should be. Theresa May, on the other hand, is just the kind of grey-suit, yes-man, we don't need. It would be tragic if someone so anonymous, so poor at communicating, was given the tiller simply because likes sitting in the middle of the boat.
Leadsom maybe, just maybe. But she is on record as saying there will be no Brexit recession. Hmm.
I take your point on May, but she's the best of a bad lot. Competence and dullness will be required, now. She can delegate as necessary.
Sad, but true.
A skilful politician (and let's hope May is that, as she looks likely to be PM) will take account of this and steer us to some kind of EEA arrangement, where REMAINERS get the consolation of the EU Single Market, plus all those pan-European science/education programmes which everyone likes. And at the same time LEAVERS know we have LEFT.
The breaking point is going to be Free Movement. Of course. Somehow May has to square that fiendish circle. Good luck to her.0
