Another mistake by the chattering classes: they said Malcolm Fraser would be more popular with Australian voters than Tony Abbott. Turns out not to be the case.
Turnbull, surely.
Yep.
So the centre right has won? Good. A nice friendly government Britain can do trade deals with.
I'm going to nail my colours to the mast here. I don't think the UK should leave the EU. I think it would be a disaster for our economy and it would lead to a decade of economic and political uncertainty at a time when the tectonic plates of global success are moving.
Economic success is the vital underpinning of every happy nation. The wellbeing we all crave goes hand in hand with economic success.
I'm going to nail my colours to the mast here. I don't think the UK should leave the EU. I think it would be a disaster for our economy and it would lead to a decade of economic and political uncertainty at a time when the tectonic plates of global success are moving.
Economic success is the vital underpinning of every happy nation. The wellbeing we all crave goes hand in hand with economic success.
Andrea Leadsom MP (per the Mail on Sunday)
So the question we have to ask is, did she back Leave to further her political career prospects? Or have the events of the last three years, culminating in Cameron's deal, resulted her in saying "you know what? We'd be better off out."
I'm going to nail my colours to the mast here. I don't think the UK should leave the EU. I think it would be a disaster for our economy and it would lead to a decade of economic and political uncertainty at a time when the tectonic plates of global success are moving.
Economic success is the vital underpinning of every happy nation. The wellbeing we all crave goes hand in hand with economic success.
Andrea Leadsom MP (per the Mail on Sunday)
Well I am sure she will have a chance to talk about this on tomorrow's Marr.
'Boris was blown up by a political psychopath but it was Mrs Gove who detonated the bomb': RACHEL JOHNSON'S lacerating verdict on her brother's betrayal
Regardless of his skills, in the 24 hour rolling news era, he is too reminiscent of Harry Enfield's Tory boy, he will be eviscerated by the press. Every TV appearance will see a loss in support.
May has been Home Secretary for a long time, and yet I (someone who's interested in politics) can't think of anything she's ever said. Nothing. Not a memorable sentence. She's hidden behind Cameron and the European courts on immigration/deportations. She's let him/them take the flack for 'tens of thousands' and the failed border policy. Bizarrely, the only other thing I know about her is that she likes 'kitten heals". Do me a favour. She's fucking useless. Tories need to be brave. Now is the time to elect a "benign dictator" kind of person - someone who knows which way to go and can see further than others. Not some 'management consultant'. Four years is enough for Gove to show he's getting us into promising waters.
Gove is so unelectable we risk a Corbyn Labour government. No. Just no. Leadsom maybe, just maybe. But she is on record as saying there will be no Brexit recession. Hmm. I take your point on May, but she's the best of a bad lot. Competence and dullness will be required, now. She can delegate as necessary.
Gove can defeat the public sector/Blob/BBC - he's clever and articulate enough to do it - and to show the blue collars and the working class that he's doing it. The middle class kids will scream and shout, but if Gove can nail immigration too - just fking do something about it, actually make the numbers come down, and take the shit for it - there are 10m+ in that.
Gove never does anything really - except annoy people. What has he achieved? Nothing.
We are in a long drought of politicians who have achieved anything.
Although, I suppose Blair achieved the blackening of the name of the West throughout the Arab world and a few hundred thousand deaths.
I'm going to nail my colours to the mast here. I don't think the UK should leave the EU. I think it would be a disaster for our economy and it would lead to a decade of economic and political uncertainty at a time when the tectonic plates of global success are moving.
Economic success is the vital underpinning of every happy nation. The wellbeing we all crave goes hand in hand with economic success.
I'm going to nail my colours to the mast here. I don't think the UK should leave the EU. I think it would be a disaster for our economy and it would lead to a decade of economic and political uncertainty at a time when the tectonic plates of global success are moving.
Economic success is the vital underpinning of every happy nation. The wellbeing we all crave goes hand in hand with economic success.
Andrea Leadsom MP (per the Mail on Sunday)
If Labour had a decent leader and Leadsom became PM, they'd be quoting that line at her at every PMQs between now and 2020, especially if the economy goes mammary glands up
She was working on drafts for EU reform since 2010. Perhaps when she said that she thought they had a chance then, like me, changed her mind when Cameron got back with his piece of paper?
Why would removing the wool from one's eyes finish off one's leadership aspirations?
If we are to preclude anyone as leader of our nation who has actually learnt something within, say, the last 5 years that led them to change their minds, then we are virtually saying we want a leader who is a know-nothing bigot.
I want our leadership to be constantly learning from a changing environment, and adapting to new realities as they arise. Adaptation means taking new positions if the old ones are no longer appropriate.
One can understand why so many exceptionally talented people no longer think of politics as a worthwhile vocation, given the media environment where everything one has ever said or done is turned upside down and taken out of context on the front pages.
It can only get worse as the next generation have been documenting their every thought and action online in public since they were teenagers. Raucous university dinner parties won't be written about in books in 20 years' time, there will be videos online of our future leaders, for us all to watch.
Tho, in the age of Sexting, and revenge porn, we will surely all adapt. Oh look, there's the PM in bed with three boys and a Bactrian camel, oh look, here's the would-be Chancellor snorting ketamine off a robot's penis, yawn yawn, who hasn't done this.
Kids today grow up with this stuff. I've dated a few Millennials recently who think nothing of sending sexy photos - very explicit - after a couple of emails. It's what they do. So in the future no one will care, as we will all be the same.
It will be interesting to see the reaction to this sort of stuff from the electorate, most of whom are much older and didn't grow up sending pics of their genetalia to near-strangers in their youth. I think the electorate will care, and the traditional media certainly will - look at how often the story of the PM and the pig still provides material for comedians on TV!
We won't have long to wait though, in 2020 we can expect to see people standing for Parliament who were born in the '90s, the first generation to have social media at university.
So the Mail are doing to Leadsom and Gove what the DT tried to do to May?
So much for a clean and positive campaign, that had so much promise after some great speeches in the week. Do the members (and the general public) really want to see this briefing and counter briefing, hatchet jobs on opponents by friendly hacks, or would they rather laugh at Labour for that kind of behaviour?
I'd love to know why the Mail hate Leadsom so much. Hopefully she won't take any notice of it.
I've no idea if this is true, but it might be interesting to dig into Invesco's views on non-voting shares.
There were a couple of big houses that were actively trying to demolish these (with some success) about the time she was there (running Corporate Governance).
I wonder if she had a run in with Rothermere at the time (his family controls DMGT through a variety of non-voting instruments)
Another mistake by the chattering classes: they said Malcolm Fraser would be more popular with Australian voters than Tony Abbott. Turns out not to be the case.
Turnbull, surely.
Yep.
So the centre right has won? Good. A nice friendly government Britain can do trade deals with.
They haven't won. Looks like a deadlocked situation.
I can't find the original quote on t'Internet but I'm sure the MoS has done their homework.
It therefore gives me great pleasure to announce that the 2016 Hostage to Fortune Challenge Trophy goes to - a big hand folks - Andrea Leadsom, ex-candidate.
Regardless of his skills, in the 24 hour rolling news era, he is too reminiscent of Harry Enfield's Tory boy, he will be eviscerated by the press. Every TV appearance will see a loss in support.
May has been Home Secretary for a long time, and yet I (someone who's interested in politics) can't think of anything she's ever said. Nothing. Not a memorable sentence. She's hidden behind Cameron and the European courts on immigration/deportations. She's let him/them take the flack for 'tens of thousands' and the failed border policy. Bizarrely, the only other thing I know about her is that she likes 'kitten heals". Do me a favour. She's fucking useless. Tories need to be brave. Now is the time to elect a "benign dictator" kind of person - someone who knows which way to go and can see further than others. Not some 'management consultant'. Four years is enough for Gove to show he's getting us into promising waters.
Gove is so unelectable we risk a Corbyn Labour government. No. Just no. Leadsom maybe, just maybe. But she is on record as saying there will be no Brexit recession. Hmm. I take your point on May, but she's the best of a bad lot. Competence and dullness will be required, now. She can delegate as necessary.
Gove can defeat the public sector/Blob/BBC - he's clever and articulate enough to do it - and to show the blue collars and the working class that he's doing it. The middle class kids will scream and shout, but if Gove can nail immigration too - just fking do something about it, actually make the numbers come down, and take the shit for it - there are 10m+ in that.
Gove never does anything really - except annoy people. What has he achieved? Nothing.
Who is actually going to bring immigration down? They will get absolutely slaughtered in media even though they have a mandate to do it. They'll usurp Farage as British pantomime villain in chief. Anyone fancy that job? I reckon Gove would do it and would have the grace to give language/argument to working classes. Theresa May? She's had ample opportunity, but has failed - doesn't have it in her - it's not really what she wants to do.
I'm going to nail my colours to the mast here. I don't think the UK should leave the EU. I think it would be a disaster for our economy and it would lead to a decade of economic and political uncertainty at a time when the tectonic plates of global success are moving.
Economic success is the vital underpinning of every happy nation. The wellbeing we all crave goes hand in hand with economic success.
Andrea Leadsom MP (per the Mail on Sunday)
Eek. That is quite a difficult quote to row back from. It's not like saying "it might be tough for a couple of years".
It doesn't matter, the people have made their choice, the question is no longer about if to leave the EU, but how the process is managed.
People need to move on from the Remain / Leave camps. Choice is made and must be carried out.
I'm going to nail my colours to the mast here. I don't think the UK should leave the EU. I think it would be a disaster for our economy and it would lead to a decade of economic and political uncertainty at a time when the tectonic plates of global success are moving.
Economic success is the vital underpinning of every happy nation. The wellbeing we all crave goes hand in hand with economic success.
Andrea Leadsom MP (per the Mail on Sunday)
If Labour had a decent leader and Leadsom became PM, they'd be quoting that line at her at every PMQs between now and 2020, especially if the economy goes mammary glands up
Regardless of his skills, in the 24 hour rolling news era, he is too reminiscent of Harry Enfield's Tory boy, he will be eviscerated by the press. Every TV appearance will see a loss in support.
May has been Home Secretary for a long time, and yet I (someone who's interested in politics) can't think of anything she's ever said. Nothing. Not a memorable sentence. She's hidden behind Cameron and the European courts on immigration/deportations. She's let him/them take the flack for 'tens of thousands' and the failed border policy. Bizarrely, the only other thing I know about her is that she likes 'kitten heals". Do me a favour. She's fucking useless. Tories need to be brave. Now is the time to elect a "benign dictator" kind of person - someone who knows which way to go and can see further than others. Not some 'management consultant'. Four years is enough for Gove to show he's getting us into promising waters.
Gove is so unelectable we risk a Corbyn Labour government. No. Just no. Leadsom maybe, just maybe. But she is on record as saying there will be no Brexit recession. Hmm. I take your point on May, but she's the best of a bad lot. Competence and dullness will be required, now. She can delegate as necessary.
Gove can defeat the public sector/Blob/BBC - he's clever and articulate enough to do it - and to show the blue collars and the working class that he's doing it. The middle class kids will scream and shout, but if Gove can nail immigration too - just fking do something about it, actually make the numbers come down, and take the shit for it - there are 10m+ in that.
Gove never does anything really - except annoy people. What has he achieved? Nothing.
Who is actually going to bring immigration down? They will get absolutely slaughtered in media even though they have a mandate to do it. They'll usurp Farage as British pantomime villain in chief. Anyone fancy that job? I reckon Gove would do it and would have the grace to give language/argument to working classes. Theresa May? She's had ample opportunity, but has failed - doesn't have it in her - it's not really what she wants to do.
Not to mention any actual success in reducing immigration would cripple the economy, On top of the Brexit hit, it would be doubling down on economic ruin.
Great news. We need to stop spending money we don't have on tat.
While that's true, the last time our savings rate moved up sharply was 1989-1992, which was pretty horrible for a lot of people.
So what's your solution?
It's not directly comparable, in my view. In 1989, inflation was 5.2% and the base rate was 15% (briefly). In '92 inflation was 4.3% and the base rate ranged from 10% down to 7%.
I've actually triggered myself, remembering my mortgage payments back then *huffs into paper bag*.
May might go for EEA but a points system for non-EU immigration (fewer muzzies more Indain doctors, etc) and a serious crackdown on EU benefits whilst allowing them legally to come (but they'll do so in far fewer numbers). We'll have left and the numbers will fall.
I read the article. It was completely uninteresting - no argument or evidence. A pure hatchet job. I can see why the Telegraph spiked it.
I guess it was only on the website rather than the print edition, can well imagine the Editor's reaction when it was brought to his attention! For all the dumbing down that's happened at the Telegraph, they still would like to have some evidence to back up a story on a candidate for Prime Minister!
Germany haven't missed a penalty between 1982 and 2016 in UEFA or FIFA championships. They've been in shootouts four times óver that period, taking 20 penalties.
I'm going to nail my colours to the mast here. I don't think the UK should leave the EU. I think it would be a disaster for our economy and it would lead to a decade of economic and political uncertainty at a time when the tectonic plates of global success are moving.
Economic success is the vital underpinning of every happy nation. The wellbeing we all crave goes hand in hand with economic success.
Andrea Leadsom MP (per the Mail on Sunday)
Oh wow. That's killer. She's done.
Mensch defence is a politician can change their mind so non story...
May might go for EEA but a points system for non-EU immigration (fewer muzzies more Indain doctors, etc) and a serious crackdown on EU benefits whilst allowing them legally to come (but they'll do so in far fewer numbers). We'll have left and the numbers will fall.
May might go for EEA but a points system for non-EU immigration (fewer muzzies more Indain doctors, etc) and a serious crackdown on EU benefits whilst allowing them legally to come (but they'll do so in far fewer numbers). We'll have left and the numbers will fall.
May might go for EEA but a points system for non-EU immigration (fewer muzzies more Indain doctors, etc) and a serious crackdown on EU benefits whilst allowing them legally to come (but they'll do so in far fewer numbers). We'll have left and the numbers will fall.
Don't we already have a points-based system for non-EU immigration?
Gove never does anything really - except annoy people. What has he achieved? Nothing.
Who is actually going to bring immigration down? They will get absolutely slaughtered in media even though they have a mandate to do it. They'll usurp Farage as British pantomime villain in chief. Anyone fancy that job? I reckon Gove would do it and would have the grace to give language/argument to working classes. Theresa May? She's had ample opportunity, but has failed - doesn't have it in her - it's not really what she wants to do.
Not to mention any actual success in reducing immigration would cripple the economy, On top of the Brexit hit, it would be doubling down on economic ruin.
Re 'economic ruin' there are 10m+ utility curves out there that value immigration coming down higher than some notional increase in GDP per head. Put another way, lots of people don't give a toss about the national economy - they want to see unambiguous evidence that we are controlling our borders. "Official government figures" don't cut it. They want to go into a cafe and get served by an English person.
I suppose May, if she wins, will do the least she can to get away with still getting a majority 2020 over the SNP/Lab coalition horror show. Same as last time. However, if I were UKIP, I'd refresh and put Suzanne Evans in charge and start campaigning in the North....
She's evidently going to move to EEA, Single Market and maintained Free Movement, and hope that the economic slowdown takes immigration off the table, until she can sort something on Benefits etc
This suits me. It's what I want, right now. But can she sell it?
She's evidently going to move to EEA, Single Market and maintained Free Movement, and hope that the economic slowdown takes immigration off the table, until she can sort something on Benefits etc
This suits me. It's what I want, right now. But can she sell it?
Wasn't that something we already have now ? She can say these because we have about 5% swing from Leave to Remain now and she can get away with it.
Pity we will have to suffer a recession in the meantime.
Well I'm going to have to vote for May now, albeit reluctantly. I started as a solid eurosceptic going to vote for the most right-wing brexiteer. Now that they're all tainted I've got no choice. Fox's mess at defence, Gove the giant-killer and now Andrea the turncoat.
May might go for EEA but a points system for non-EU immigration (fewer muzzies more Indain doctors, etc) and a serious crackdown on EU benefits whilst allowing them legally to come (but they'll do so in far fewer numbers). We'll have left and the numbers will fall.
She's evidently going to move to EEA, Single Market and maintained Free Movement, and hope that the economic slowdown takes immigration off the table, until she can sort something on Benefits etc
This suits me. It's what I want, right now. But can she sell it?
I doubt that will cut it I'm afraid.
I think it will. She'll find a fudge, And the economic fearfulness re total Brexit will see her over the line.
May might go for EEA but a points system for non-EU immigration (fewer muzzies more Indain doctors, etc) and a serious crackdown on EU benefits whilst allowing them legally to come (but they'll do so in far fewer numbers). We'll have left and the numbers will fall.
May was pretty pisspoor at reducing the immigration that she could control.
We need to end virtually all non-EU immigration, apart from Tier 1 and Tier 2. End chain migration apart from very eligible spouses, immediate kids. But, most of all, take bloody students out of the stats, they mislead.
Agreed. We really can reduce immigration significantly now - the political will is there. Trying to get it past Ozzy and Dave was a non-starter. Trying to not do it now is a non-starter.
On a different chain of thought - I'm coming round very much to May as PM and Leadsom as Chancellor. This will wipe Osborne off the face of the earth as far as our economy is concerned. I want him gone.
Ugh, it seems my hopes of the Tories being stupid enough to elect Gove are not going to be realised
I fear Theresa May as PM is going to go down quite well with Joe Public. With the mood right now, I think people quite like the idea of a mummy figure in charge, warding off all the monsters while we're tucked up safely in bed.
Well I'm going to have to vote for May now, albeit reluctantly. I started as a solid eurosceptic going to vote for the most right-wing brexiteer. Now that they're all tainted I've got no choice. Fox's mess at defence, Gove the giant-killer and now Andrea the turncoat.
May might go for EEA but a points system for non-EU immigration (fewer muzzies more Indain doctors, etc) and a serious crackdown on EU benefits whilst allowing them legally to come (but they'll do so in far fewer numbers). We'll have left and the numbers will fall.
May was pretty pisspoor at reducing the immigration that she could control.
We need to end virtually all non-EU immigration, apart from Tier 1 and Tier 2. End chain migration apart from very eligible spouses, immediate kids. But, most of all, take bloody students out of the stats, they mislead.
Not true. 5 years post visa, 20% of students are still in the UK. This works out as 40-50 000 per year. Many bring accompanying families. It varies significantly between countries. Basically the poorer the originating country, the more likely to settle permenantly.
I suppose May, if she wins, will do the least she can to get away with still getting a majority 2020 over the SNP/Lab coalition horror show. Same as last time. However, if I were UKIP, I'd refresh and put Suzanne Evans in charge and start campaigning in the North....
If UKIP did that and almost stopped campaigning in the South there would be much sighing of relief in the Tory party.
Well I'm going to have to vote for May now, albeit reluctantly. I started as a solid eurosceptic going to vote for the most right-wing brexiteer. Now that they're all tainted I've got no choice. Fox's mess at defence, Gove the giant-killer and now Andrea the turncoat.
Do we know why she turned on the EU ?
She did continue on to talk about the fundamental need for EU reform and that the EU's mandate in the UK was wafer thin and so on. But that clip, out of context or not, is killer.
Well I'm going to have to vote for May now, albeit reluctantly. I started as a solid eurosceptic going to vote for the most right-wing brexiteer. Now that they're all tainted I've got no choice. Fox's mess at defence, Gove the giant-killer and now Andrea the turncoat.
Do we know why she turned on the EU ?
No, and I guess redemption could be found during the inevitable debates - but I'm not optimistic.
May might go for EEA but a points system for non-EU immigration (fewer muzzies more Indain doctors, etc) and a serious crackdown on EU benefits whilst allowing them legally to come (but they'll do so in far fewer numbers). We'll have left and the numbers will fall.
May was pretty pisspoor at reducing the immigration that she could control.
We need to end virtually all non-EU immigration, apart from Tier 1 and Tier 2. End chain migration apart from very eligible spouses, immediate kids. But, most of all, take bloody students out of the stats, they mislead.
I think the first thing we need to do is actually count them in (and record passport numbers and detail) and count them out. The statistics are just statistics.
May is responsible for not knowing or controlling non EU migration. There is no reason to believe she will do better as PM.
Maybe May should appoint a B'Stard or a Tebbit as Home Sec and give them a firm brief to get the job done. I wonder who that is. And I also want her to give a big role to Hannan.
May might go for EEA but a points system for non-EU immigration (fewer muzzies more Indain doctors, etc) and a serious crackdown on EU benefits whilst allowing them legally to come (but they'll do so in far fewer numbers). We'll have left and the numbers will fall.
May was pretty pisspoor at reducing the immigration that she could control.
We need to end virtually all non-EU immigration, apart from Tier 1 and Tier 2. End chain migration apart from very eligible spouses, immediate kids. But, most of all, take bloody students out of the stats, they mislead.
I think the first thing we need to do is actually count them in (and record passport numbers and detail) and count them out. The statistics are just statistics.
May is responsible for not knowing or controlling non EU migration. There is no reason to believe she will do better as PM.
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Economic success is the vital underpinning of every happy nation. The wellbeing we all crave goes hand in hand with economic success.
Andrea Leadsom MP (per the Mail on Sunday)
Telegraph Headline: "Andrea Leadsom I can be the new Margaret Thatcher"
Yes, of course, it's brilliant. That'll bring the country together in short order. Everybody loved Maggie.
Disappointed nobody here came up with that one first frankly
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3671749/RACHEL-JOHNSON-Mrs-Gove-detonated-bomb-blew-Boris.html
Although, I suppose Blair achieved the blackening of the name of the West throughout the Arab world and a few hundred thousand deaths.
We won't have long to wait though, in 2020 we can expect to see people standing for Parliament who were born in the '90s, the first generation to have social media at university.
There were a couple of big houses that were actively trying to demolish these (with some success) about the time she was there (running Corporate Governance).
I wonder if she had a run in with Rothermere at the time (his family controls DMGT through a variety of non-voting instruments)
It therefore gives me great pleasure to announce that the 2016 Hostage to Fortune Challenge Trophy goes to - a big hand folks - Andrea Leadsom, ex-candidate.
People need to move on from the Remain / Leave camps. Choice is made and must be carried out.
And the choice is between May who will make it work, or Leadsom who says it will be
a decade of economic chaosBRILLIANT !!I've actually triggered myself, remembering my mortgage payments back then *huffs into paper bag*.
They only looked good because they were taking them against England!
more German players have missed shootout penalties in the last five minutes than the previous 40 years
(Her last - pro bono - job was as official mascot for USS Nimitz...)
Germany haven't missed a penalty between 1982 and 2016 in UEFA or FIFA championships. They've been in shootouts four times óver that period, taking 20 penalties.
15 of those 20 penalties were against England.
So weak...
May was pretty pisspoor at reducing the immigration that she could control.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3671760/Tory-leadership-hopeful-Vote-Leave-campaigner-Andrea-Leadsom-previously-said-Brexit-disaster.html
Gove never does anything really - except annoy people. What has he achieved? Nothing.
Who is actually going to bring immigration down? They will get absolutely slaughtered in media even though they have a mandate to do it. They'll usurp Farage as British pantomime villain in chief. Anyone fancy that job? I reckon Gove would do it and would have the grace to give language/argument to working classes. Theresa May? She's had ample opportunity, but has failed - doesn't have it in her - it's not really what she wants to do.
Not to mention any actual success in reducing immigration would cripple the economy, On top of the Brexit hit, it would be doubling down on economic ruin.
Re 'economic ruin' there are 10m+ utility curves out there that value immigration coming down higher than some notional increase in GDP per head. Put another way, lots of people don't give a toss about the national economy - they want to see unambiguous evidence that we are controlling our borders. "Official government figures" don't cut it. They want to go into a cafe and get served by an English person.
I suppose May, if she wins, will do the least she can to get away with still getting a majority 2020 over the SNP/Lab coalition horror show. Same as last time. However, if I were UKIP, I'd refresh and put Suzanne Evans in charge and start campaigning in the North....
Pity we will have to suffer a recession in the meantime.
Fox's mess at defence, Gove the giant-killer and now Andrea the turncoat.
Who drops out first?
On a different chain of thought - I'm coming round very much to May as PM and Leadsom as Chancellor. This will wipe Osborne off the face of the earth as far as our economy is concerned. I want him gone.
I fear Theresa May as PM is going to go down quite well with Joe Public. With the mood right now, I think people quite like the idea of a mummy figure in charge, warding off all the monsters while we're tucked up safely in bed.
And it all but destroys the Labour party.
May is responsible for not knowing or controlling non EU migration. There is no reason to believe she will do better as PM.